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March 30, 2025 16 mins

Should you wear makeup for post-birth photos? Youbie, Katherine is due in April and wants to know what minimal products might help with those dark under-eye circles. Leigh and Kelly share their personal experiences with birth beauty prep, plus product recommendations that require minimal effort when you've got more important things to focus on!

Plus, our curly-haired listeners with fine strands rejoice—we're tackling the common problem of curl creams that weigh down delicate curls. Get our full list of lightweight formulas that provide definition without the heaviness.

And don't miss Kelly's genius blush hack for coordinating with bold lipstick colors, plus Leigh's must-have tool that will prevent hot styling tools from burning your carpet (or starting a house fire)!


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LINKS TO EVERYTHING MENTIONED:

Post-Birth Beauty:

Revlon Illuminance Tinted Serum $38.95
Fenty Beauty Bright Fix Eye Brightener $44
Nude by Nature Hydra Stick Lip and Cheek Colour $29.95
Bobby Brown Corrector Stick $35
Curl Creams for Fine Hair:
R and Co Cool Wind PH Perfect A Dry Creme $36
John Frieda Air Dry Waves Mousse $21
OGX Quenching Coconut Curls Frizz-Defying Styling Milk $27
Kristen Ess Ultra Light Curl Defining Cream $21.99
Hask Curl Care Curl Defining Cream $17 
JVN Complete Air Dry Hair Cream $21 
Thanks to Nature Cool Curls Range $18 
Moroccan Oil Treatment Light $79
Host Hacks:
Kmart Hot Tool Silicon Tray $15
Kmart Hot Tool Silicon Holder $15

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello, and welcome to you beauty the Daily Podcast for
Your Face.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Lee Campbell. I'm Keilly mccaren. How are you my friend?
Oh I'm not too shabby, but I'm even better now
that I'm in the studio with you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I love when you bring the pep. So it's Monday,
You're very happy for me.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I do love it when I bring the pep because
when I don't bring the pep, you've really got a rally.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Dan.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Then I have to bring PEPs.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
But it's not hard because what we do on Mondays
is answer you be questions. You guys send them in
via look, let's face it, Instagram DM. These days you
can email, send us a DM, or jump in the
Facebook group.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
But today what are we doing? All right? So later
on in the episode, we have a question about curly
hair and product recommendations for a very common problem that
our Spirally sisters face. But first I couldn't help, but
wonder asked me anything you ask any questions, Catherine has
asked I have a question for Leene Kelly. I'm due

(01:20):
to give birth in April, and I was wondering about
the whole makeup for post birth photos thing. I definitely
don't think I do a full face and was planning
on doing a lash lift and a tint beforehand, and
I might put on a tinted lip bum but worried
about my skin, particularly my scary dark under eyes. Are
there any really good no makeup makeup under eye products
or will I just not care what I look like

(01:42):
in the photos?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, it's April tomorrow, so that's exciting. You might go
into labor tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
This episode is coming out just in Chy.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
No, she'll probably be on the way to the hospital
going I've gotta listen to you, beauty. Let me say
you probably won't care, but it's okay to care before.
And the reason I say that is I had a
planned induction at nine o'clock at night. I then two
three days later, I had an emergency cines arian, but
I was going to dinner with my parents first, and
then rich and I were off to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
And also I'd had cascade of intervention, if you will,
a cascade.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I had had such a stressful kind of fertility journey,
and I wanted to be in control of something. So
I did blow dry my hair, I put lashes on. Yes,
we were going to dinner, but also I was going
to have a baby. It reminds me of when Kate
Middleton did her own makeup on her wedding day, because
I think her life felt so out of control that
that was something she wanted to control. So if you
want to wear makeup when you have a baby, or

(02:33):
to the gym or to the beach, I'm fine with that.
So many people go, eh, don't be vain because you're
having a baby.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Look, why do you think it's a vanity thing. When
I hear about people wanting to wear makeup for birth,
I just think, oh, for goodness sake, who could be bothered?
But not in a vanity way, more like a who
could be bothered way? But a lot of people can.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And I think it also depends if you go into
spontaneous labor or you are getting induced or having a
plan Saeserian like, that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I so see on TikTok or Instagram people, you know,
if they're lab parts of their labor, but it's like
early labor, and maybe if you've done it before, you
kind of know if you're having contraception. They haven't had
that actions every twenty minutes or so. Yeah, they're like
doing their hair. Yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Catherine also is probably more talking posts like she's had
the baby. Yes, for me, I had two days and
like I literally had one hundred jowers and baths, but
I still had like three lashes hanging on because I
couldn't wash my face. Anyway, you've had the baby, you're
gonna have some photos. Let's give you a few products
that you might want to whack on that don't take
a lot of mastery or energy. Kelly, I thought you

(03:37):
might say this. The Revlon Tinted moisturizer. It's the Revlon
Illuminates tinted serum because it's hydrating, sheer coverage, glowy.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You love that one. I do.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, so that could be good just for all over.
You can do yours in a second one that I
did not know existed but just discovered. It's the fenty
Beauty bright Fix eyebrightener. So it's like an under eye brightener,
very lightweight, serum texture, amazing shade range. So it's not
like a concealer where you're gonna look like you're wearing
a lot of makeup or it's hard to put on.
It just kind of will neutralize those horrific dark circles,

(04:12):
although you haven't had that much sleep deprivation yet. And
just one more that I really love is the Nude
by Nature Hydra stick lip and cheek color. It's a
little kind of wind up tube. You can literally pop
it on without a mirror. It's just you know, pop
a bit on your cheeks to look alive. I'd maybe
do those products. Having said that, when I was rushed
into an emergency area and the nurse was phenomenal, she

(04:34):
was like one of them was like, give me your phone.
She put on portrait mode. She took the most amazing photos.
But the one with the sheet riches by my side,
I'm looking up, I'm holding on Alexander.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
My face looks so pretty.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
One areola the size of a dinner plate is just
out and so I'm like, well, no one's going to
see that anyway.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Can you just put a little thingy over it?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
No, Oh, you've got to cover half the photo.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's yeah, Alexander, Alexander's head Ariola. You can't tell is
rich what do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I really struggle to answer this because I really can't
think how someone would, especially post bur I just think
it's the last thing that you're going to be thinking about. Yeah,
so I think you can sort of do all of
the things in the lead up to sort of make
you feel like you've popped in that effort and that

(05:21):
you're going to look fantastic. So whether or not that's
a fake ten although then you're gonna smell.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
And it's hard for feeding. But like a lash lift
or a lash tin, yeah, those sorts.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Of little things. The only one product that I was
thinking could really help would be the Bobby Brown correct
a stick because the thing this is well you kind
of need your hands, and that one you literally just
draw on the dark circles and then you can use
your ring finger to tap that tap rather than like
shmearing product everywhere that's then going to go all over

(05:50):
the baby when you kiss the baby. I also just
want to say that I think that the most beautiful
photos in the world. This sounds so like evangelical, but
are the photos where there is an actual warrior that's
just gotten a baby out and exhausted, and that exhausted
look and the no makeup and the dark circles under

(06:14):
the like genuinely, because you know the photos that I'm
talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I've got a favorite photo of mine. I'm wearing my
compression leggings. I was finally allowed to eat food, because
after you've had a cesarean and epidural, I had everything
and they gave me food and I'm just stuffing my
face and I look like a monster. And I love
that photo.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
And I think that's a thing that pre baby, you
would objectively go Elle, that's so gross about thinking about
yourself looking like that or a photo like that. Post baby,
you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Look at subjectively ugly photos of you and go.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Look at that fucking warrior. Yeah, and you're just gonna
look at it a little bit differently.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, gokel, Now you've made me old herey Catherine, good
luck with the birth.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Let us know what you have.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
If you would like, we want to see the photo, Yeah,
we want to, however you decide to take it. Teeny
tiny baby, you be okay after the break. Debbie wants
some product recommendations, and as always, Kelly and I are
here with full baskets.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Debbie has asked, Hey, ladis hope you're doing well? I
have a question about the right curl cream for fine
curly hair. I find that lots of the creams weigh
my fine curly hair down, which creates less definition for
my curls. Could you please give me some recommendations for
some more lightweight ones or ones that would work with
my hair type. Thanks so much. Love the pod and

(07:33):
listen every single day. Debbie.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Hi, Hi today. So I've got fine hair, but it's
not curly.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
What have you got? I've got fine hair, lots of
it very curly. However, I never wear it curl. I
never wear it curly because I've bleached it for so
long that only the undecided actually is nice curls the top.
No matter what I do, people like in just not
doing the curly girl method. Probably I'm like, no, no, no,
it is just like a frizzy hagrid lion's mane of.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Miss chemically processed out all the beautiful curl.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yes, so it's just fluffy. I do have slight texture now.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
It weirdly had dead straight hair, and then post part
I got a bit of a wave. So I've got
some recommendations. I did ask friends who do have beautiful curls.
On the fine hair side, let me firstly tell you
about a product I love, but my girlfriend also loves,
and she has very fine curly hair.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I've talked about it before.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's the R and Co Cool Wind pH Perfect air
dry Cream. So it's for anyone that wants to air
dry straight, curly, coily wavy. You just sort of use
a little bit and you put it in your damp
hair and it just kind of makes your hair bit
smoother and not way down. I've got very fine hair,
but a lot of it, and it just makes my
hair look like there's zero humidity or zero like breakage.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, so good, So you should try that.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But then, particularly or specifically for curly fine hair, the
John frieda air dry Waves that's a Moose currently half
priced at the time of recording at Woolli's for ten
dollars fifty and so because it's a Moose, you won't
get the crunch if you just use the right amount,
because it's not like nineteen eighties moose, and it's very
lightweight because I think where you might be going wrong

(09:12):
is those really thick creams or like serami oils.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
A couple of others.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The OGX Quenching Coconut curls, Frieze defying styling milk, so
this is a really lightweight, almost like a face serum.
So that's really good for fine hair, whereas they've got
other options for like thick curly hair. So that's a
milk OGX a couple more than kel can take over.
The Christines. I love Christines, and the brand disappeared from

(09:39):
Australia for a while and then came back. It is
in chemist ware House. The Christines Ultra Light Curl Defining
Cream twenty one ninety nine at Chemists Warehouse. It is
for curly girls with fine hair.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
They sound good. Yeah. And another one.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'd never heard of this brand, but a friend of
mine who has curly hair recommended it. It's Hask Hask
Curl Care curl Defining Cream. It is seventeen dollars school
price at Chemists Warehouse.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
You've never write this brand before.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
They did those little shots back in the day, the
little Oh yeah, I mean the packaging is a little
bit daggy, but who cares if you've got good hair,
and yeah, so I asked around and it was interesting
to ask a bunch of friends, and then there was
some common denominators, which are those ones?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I did exactly the same thing, And I also went
deep in a Reddit thread for like this specific hair type,
and the husk cream that you just spoke about was
a really popular contender. Oh my gosh great. Another good
one is the JVN Complete Hair dry hair cream, which
I've recommended just in general and you got me onto it, yes,

(10:36):
But on this Reddit thread, a lot of curly girls
that do the curly Girl method were saying that it's
really good and you can get a thirty mel tube
for twenty one dollars because it's quite expensive, the big tube.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
But also if you've got fine hair, you only need
a time exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
The cool curls range from Thanks to Nature, which is
that branded You're worths. It's eighteen dollars full price, but
you can generally get it half price. It is so good.
And that's the one that a lot of my friends
with curly hair recommended. They were like, you got me
onto thanks to Nature. And then that particular curl product
I love everything they do. And then finally the Moroccan

(11:12):
oil treatment in light. I meant to say that and
I forgot to put it on my list.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
A lot of people forget, like it's such a beautiful
cult product.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
There's two versions. There's two versions, so if you've got
fine hair, you don't need the OG, you need the light,
so it's not going to weigh your hair down.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, because I had a girlfriend too, she was using
some of mind. She's like, oh, but I don't have
light hair, and I was like, no, it's like.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's light hair. It's a light She thought blonde.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
It was for blonde, and then they have brought out
a blonde oil, which is then more confusing. But I said, no,
it's a light texture for fine hair. You literally need
like half a pea.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
It's seventy nine dollars for the big bottle and that
will last you about you a very long time if
that's all you use.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Honestly, there's really good options out there. Jump in the
Ubiudy group and ask the eighty five thousand girls there too,
or people there men women.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I wonder if they have the same recommendation disis.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, And now I want to go on a Reddit stalk.
I love Reddit scares me. Coming up after the break.
Two excellent host haacks. Well maybe one is more excellent
than the other. We'll let you decide which what a

(12:23):
you makeup hacks?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Kelly, you go first.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I haven't even looked at the script because I have
lately been blown away by your life changing life hacks
like bobby pins exist.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I'm never gonna let you know the amount of people
that DMed me about that. I was going to start
a collection to send to you of screenshots being like
see receipts or it doesn't exist. Receipts or it doesn't exist.
That's what I was thinking, because I was like, and
when I said the amount of people there was probably six,
but you know what, six people that were like you
know what, girl, or they'd send to me like the

(12:54):
bobby pins in their little thing.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Or one bobby pin that they are. Yeah, I loved it,
all right, hit us with another winner. All right, Well
this is wildly different host hack.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
If you're wearing a bold lip, like as we go
into autumn and winter, sometimes it's really fun, like you're
wearing a smart suit just to do a super bright
like orange red like a berry yes, just something gorgeous,
but especially with red. I think that often we don't
understand what blush shade to use because we don't want
to use a peacher or pink because then that will

(13:25):
like not contrast, but it just doesn't go.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I rarely do a bold lip, but I wouldn't even
think about trying to find a blush to go with one.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
We'll see. Then I think that your face looks too
two dimensional. Yes it does, but that's why I without
the blush. So what I want you to do is
put some of so whatever shade you're going to put
on your lip or you have popped on your lip,
put it on the back of your hand, and then
put like a tiny little pump of the foundation that
you used, and then mix them together like with your

(13:53):
finger or a brush, and then just use a blush
brush to stiple it onto your cheeks. And then it's
kind of like the perfect shed out color because it's
going to then look so seamless with the bright color
your lips. Genius.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
If not foundation, you could do it with like I know,
not concilla, because but maybe like.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
A moisturizer or that would take off your makeup anyway,
it doesn't share it out enough, like you need it
to be a foundation. Peky exactly exactly. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I never heard of and now I will never tease
you ever again. Well mine is very quick and easy
and probably very obvious to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
But oh, look at this. Go shopping at kmart.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Excuse me, it's for my floor, girly. So I don't
get ready in the bathroom. I can't stand up to
get ready.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm too late. Same, or I drag a chair in.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yes, So instead I get ready in my bedroom and
I have my little kind of vanity. Or sometimes in
my dream I sit on the floor and the mirror
is up against thorn. Then I do my hair and
so I've got my straightener. But I'm like, oh, oh,
I put on the carpet, I might start a fire.
Oh maybe I could lean it on this magazine. I
also could start a fire, I know. Then I had
this weird tin box that I was resting it on.
I went to Kmart and I purchased something didn't mean

(15:04):
to obviously. You know, when you go into the vortex,
it's just literally it's called a hot tool silicon tray,
and they come in all different ones, and it's just
like a perspect strape. It's lined with silicon, and it's
for putting hot tools in either as you go or
you know, when they're finished and they call it down
still too hot.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I can't put it back in the cupboard. Where do
I put it?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
That one's fifteen dollars And if you prefer your tools
standing up, there's the hot tool silicon holder fifteen dollars
and then you just like stand.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Them, Oh that's so good you.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's just because I think I don't know how many
times I've left the house to you going, oh, I
gotta left the straightener on, I left the thing on.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Also, when you've got animals, you don't want them going
near hot tools.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yes, that's such a.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Niche thing, but it's something that I worry about a lot.
So I put my straightener after I'm done, like so
high now. But then yeah, yes, I know, because cut's
like warmth. And then they're like, ah, so yeah, what
I do is I take my straightener out of the
thing and I put it on the thing, and I
go I have turned it off.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's on the mat. And then when I'm driving somewhere,
I'm like it's okay, I put it on the map.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
See that wasn't quite as bad with bobbypins, but not
as good as your c Well, thank you so much
for listening. We will always come to you with.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
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have a question or a host tag suggestion, shoot us.
A dm our handle is at you Beauty podcast, and
our wonderful producer puts them all together. Send them to us.

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