April 14, 2026 • 18 mins
Catch the infectious energy as Shaggy, "Mr. Boombastic" himself, joins DJ Pup Dawg to dive into his latest single, "Looking Lovely". In this exclusive clip, the reggae icon breaks down the "Shaggy Formula" for creating timeless hits, the art of sampling legends like Bill Withers and Marvin Gaye, and why DJs are the ultimate masters of reading a global audience. From the importance of "ear" in music longevity to the hustle required to dominate the charts for over 20 years, Shaggy delivers a masterclass in musical craft and industry savvy.
Shaggy & Pup discussed staying relevant in an ever-changing industry. From the legendary stories behind his creative partnership with Sting to the rigorous discipline required to command a stage for a full 90-minute set, Shaggy pulls back the curtain on the grit behind the glamour. He dives deep into the making of his new album, Lottery, and the smooth collaboration with Robin Thicke on the hit single "Looking Lovely". Whether he’s critiquing the stamina of today’s artists or explaining why he still approaches every track with the hunger of a newcomer, this is Shaggy at his most candid—offering veteran wisdom with the same "Boombastic" energy that made him a global icon.
Don't miss this deep dive into the evolution of a legend and a sneak peek at his upcoming album, Lottery, dropping May 15th.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Straight from Pakistan to La to Boston. My man does
it all. Man, he's doing it for the grown and sexy.
You do it for everybody, but just looking lovely. We
got mister Boomba sig Shaggy, mister love of Love, mister
angel Man. He's all, what up, Shaggy, You're always clown
Willy Daniels.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Shout out to Willy Daniels, Yo, you know I got
to shout him up. My dog anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You only give hard time to people you actually care about, Right,
That's that's how I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I love I have a deep I have a deep
love for that. That brother. We've been through a lot
over the years, right, but that he knows I am
gonna crack on him.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Shaggy's on man, bro, like we always talk about, you're
always working. Congratulations on this new single, Boombody. I told
you that was gonna go for me and it's moving.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And it did.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ye it's still going.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Did you you called it? Not only that it's not
just for you overseas, it's been incredibly successful. Big up
to Zoomboat who they took it on as their own
little anthem in the I mean these places have just
you know, uh, Eastern Europe, you know Romania.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's just been massive, and it's just it's early days
till you know, it only gets better.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I was talking to Rick Ross a couple of days ago,
and we're just talking about how, like the the guys
that have been in it for twenty years, you guys
just obviously new music, and you guys can still stick
around and still make records that are that are connecting
and working. TI is another one who's got another top five.
You've got one, You've got a.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Couple of that TI record by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, But talk about how you guys just you know,
no music and just know what the people want.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I still think it's do red me for Solo t do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
We're not inventing the wheel? You know, it's the same.
It's the same thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I mean, door red me for sol la tido.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's you know what I mean, We're not We're not
inventing the wheel here.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think you are a master of your craft.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You will always make great music, you know what I mean,
because the tools are there for it, and you just
have to have an ear, you know. That's why you know,
I like making. Most of my producers that I make,
they're normally d because DJs have an opportunity. They have
talent of reading an audience like you going to go
play at a night club, you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You might have a set that you have or the plan,
but based on the vibe of that crowd, you're going
to actually switch it up the way you want to
switch it up. To make it work, you got to
have that finger on the pulse of what's going on.
And dj is normally have the finger on the pulse
of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So that's why you know, stay international for years. When
we made all it was his angel wasn't me. He
was a DJ, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Costantforts are what I have now you know is also
a DJ, you know. So most of the producers that
I know, you know Shane Hussan da DJ. That DJ
instinct helps you tomit because as a DJ, you your
ear is what you use because you know what banger
to play in the club to get the party going.
That's based on ear, and that the ear is why
(02:50):
you're still on air for this long and you've been
there as long as the building, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I'm saying, but why you continue?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And I've watched your oth and your success from a
DJ to you know, program director and the boss of
the whole thing that happens because of your ear.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know what record depict, you know how your market works.
You know how what's going to connect. It's the same
thing with me and my career.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I look at the world and the global stage and
my travels and see what's going to connect, and I
can always come back.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We were talking about that's a DJ conversation in the
DJ culture. We've been talking about how you know when
we came up. I mean, you know we sound I
sound like that that old DJ right now. But you
were able to four hours of rocking out in different
you you would control pockets of crowds and just make
sure everybody is having a great time for the risk
of the night. The new DJs are doing the ten
minute drops and the sets and the TikTok sets and
(03:43):
stuff like that. You can't do an hour set, or
they can do an hour, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it's the same thing as the artists. You know,
you look at most of these artists right now. They
cannot do a ninety minute show right it's not gonna happen.
They'll come on and they'll do a couple of punchlines,
a couple of their their you know, if they have
a couple of hits here and pop up, pop and
it'll be out, you know, I mean a half hour
shows the tom still do I do ninety minutes and
I'm and I'm I run out of time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Compared to the monsters that hits.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, amount of time of hits that I have that
I gotta play.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Every time you've come into town and you have a
concert out here, I always do like a I always
try to do like a twenty minute set, but it
ends up being a sixty seventy minute on air shaggy set.
And I still when I finished, I was like, damn,
I forgot that one. Damn I didn't play one, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, because you got you got, you got joints.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, And I'm juggling the record too. It's not like
there's three minutes of these songs being played.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And in Boston too, is a is a great market,
you know, because you know, you got these colleges out
of there, so it's always a fresh market. You're not right,
You're not playing to just the same set that it's
an evolving city. It moves, you know what I mean,
So that you know you are going to be on
the cutting edge of everything based on the market that
(04:57):
you're in, you.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Know, as a DJ and and as a PD. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Shaggy's in here right now looking lovely man, huge sample.
Can you can you teach me now that me and
you are so cool? I want to learn the How
do you get something like this cleared? How long does
it take? Because I know you've been working on this
album for a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
You know who had that song for a long time.
I actually cleared years ago with Pill with his wife.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh wow, lovely woman.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
She was very gracious and I didn't really put the
record out, and I went back to reclear it again
now that I actually finished in and put Robin on
it and everything, and she was just as gracious again.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So shout out to Bill with us and his estatement
and as you know, gracious brother.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Now you're Shaggy, So it probably is a little bit easier.
But when it comes to clearing something like that, if
you have an idea like that and it doesn't get clear.
Did you just you just have to keep it in
the can? Huh.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There are people who didn't clear stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean, there's a lot of artists that don't clear stuff.
I'm I'm I got here based on samples because reggae
music wasn't being played on mainstream radio, you know, I mean,
so how do I get on radio? I had to
use samples to get it, you know what I mean?
And so I lost a lot of publishing on it.
But you know, I made a career out of it,
so I still I still want, you know, I mean,
and you know it's some artists, I get it. They
(06:07):
don't want they don't want to sample. They want they
don't want to clear samples for whatever reason. I always
think it's stupid. One of the biggest clearers of samples
is Sting Right, and he just kept his catalog going
for years and years and kept him in the relevancy
right space for years up and years and years based
on you know, you look at Shape in My Heart
and how that's been sampled from Juice World, you know,
(06:30):
all the way down to you know, Carl Thomas, to
all of these people sample that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm missing you, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know all these joints and recently down recently Snoop
and Dre did Message in the Bottle. I mean, you know,
and that's a brother that you know, as artistic as
he is and as personal as those songs are to him,
you know you respect the craft, right, I mean, and
people come to sample it and he's going to clear them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You're a hustler, so you know that you're publishing might
be a little lost, but you know you can go
make the money. Like you said, you became an artist,
you became a worldwide artist. So like a lot of
people get caught up like, oh no, I don't want
to give up my publishing. But it's like you got
to know where it's an investment, you know, like, yeah,
you might not make money on this side of it,
but if you know how to hustle it, you can
make a lot more money on the side.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The thing is, you know, I think it was there
were five avenues of income on each song.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
There's a riotous portion. So if you take the rioter's
portion off, what do you have.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
You got the streaming, which is which is the sales, right,
then you have a sink, right, then you have sound
exchange and then you have physical so you lost one.
In the early days, most people normally use that one
because the songwriters were different people and the singers sang,
you know what I mean, it was a part of it.
Not everybody were singing songwriters.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You're still winning regardless.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean, I just think I use samples because it
helps to bring a level of familiarity. And for somebody
like me who's doing dance, all that doesn't have you know,
we're less than thirty percent of the global market share.
You know, you're at iHeart. They got what nine hundred stations?
How many of them reggae?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You have no reggae stations? So how do a reggae
guy get on here? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I got to use a sample where pop dog might
be like, you.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Know what, you know, we probably don't play you know,
X amount of dance all during the day time, but
this sample is kind of cool. So Ayley, let me
play this, you know, and then I you know, I
get it in, you know what I mean, I get
on radio.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Those That's what I That's why I used them.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And for a guy like me who's coming back in
and that was the perfect sample to use because one
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Of Bill Withers.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I listen everything that he has too. That's one of
the most recurrent beat in radio. It is perfect for
your backyard barbecue. It is just what it is, and
it's just a way to get go in and let us,
you know, showcases.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And it's really what I've done over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's the same formula that I'm literally doing, the shaggy
formula with Angel you know, Marvin Gale on the on
the boombastic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Love songs, love songs with the vibe. Yeah, all right,
well let's get into the song looking Lovely right now
with Robin Thick. Since I got you on, you already
know what you need to do, So go for it, yo.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know how weld go.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's miss the Love of Love of DJ pomp Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
On the wheels of Steals.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
We're about to drop this one, Shaggy Robin Thick Looking
Lovely from the album Lottery out May fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's go there. It is man looking Lovely, Robin think's
on there with Shaggy album's coming out May fifteenth. You're
gonna be with me, man, so thank you one. You
inspired me so much throughout my whole career. I moved
to Boston because of reggae music being played out here,
and you know, you know how much I love that culture.
You know how much I love the music. And then
(09:40):
whenever I've gone there with you and your people, so
it's a special place for me. I think my career
really took off because of I love reggae, and then
I was able to showcase that I love it, you
know what I mean? Does that make sense? And even
though I think I heard a conversation where you said
someone bigged you up about being in the game for
so long, you said, I'm a vessel for you have
hundreds of people working for you, and like that was
(10:03):
your gift. Like, yeah, your gift is your your vocals
and your art, but your gift is giving back. And
when you said that, it inspired me to like, you're right,
Like we have a bigger mission that we were part
of that we sometimes don't know about.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, I think I know what I've said
where it's you know, we might people might look at
us and say, hey, genius, you wrote these songs, you know,
and I wrote them, but I didn't really write them.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That was these songs were ordained through me from a
higher power, you know what I mean. They're bestowed upon me,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So at the end of the day, if I might
write them, and if you know, but that's from a
high power, And if I did write them, I'll be
writing them every week.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, songs are magical.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They're they're given to you as tools for you to
do great things and change people's.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Lives, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And they're only bestowed upon you if you're worthy, if
your intentions are great. Because you see a guy get
one and his attentions are different and it's taken away
from him, you know, or whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because we're servants. We're all servants. You're doing a service.
You're in a service game. I'm in a service game.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying that when I play somewhere,
the audience might be you know, at the show, you
might have three hundred people that are riggers, you know,
lighting technicians, truck drivers, parking lot attendance. That's three hundred
electric bills, school fees, mortgages, all because I was here
to sing these songs.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That was bestowed upon me.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So it's not just me, it's really everybody else, right,
that's get paid and you're changing one of them. Kids
might go to Ivy League school or on a scholarship,
or they might be the ones that find a cure
for cancer. Well, you're part of an equation, bro, and
that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So I look at life like that. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's everything that I do is I use my time
and if I use my talent, it doesn't connect. And
I keep doing it doesn't connect. That's just God saying, hey, well,
thank you for your service. I've done it, but I'm
gonna keep singing the bat though.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know no.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
When you said that, and I've known you so long
that it's so genuine and when you said it and
now you say it again, it just gives me goosebumps
because I know you personally and I know that's what
it's about. It's not that, it's not an act. It's
not anything like that. You know what I mean. And
I respect you for that, man, And that's why I
really look up to you, guys, and I really wanted
to do this for your hometown, for the people that
(12:15):
actually made me who I am. I give a lot
of credit to the Jamaican culture for giving me this
platform to be where I.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Am anyway with you, you know, I mean if you
look at where you're going, because I've seen your.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Journey, you know, from you going from a DJ.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm sure you started a nights being a DJ from
nights go all the way up. I mean the reason
why you use your talent and be a master of
your craft, because now you've gotten this station to be
the number one in the market.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know what I mean? You know what when I walk.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Inside of that office there and I look around and
I see everybody at their computers and all the everybody
in this radio stations, you're part of that equation. If
you didn't use your talent and you're know how to
make that station successful, nobody would be having a job.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That'd be one of them stations that Bob has to cut.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You see them do it, Yeah, we've definitely seen. You've
seen them do it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
If you ain't talented enough to keep that going, that
was cutting right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And we all us for us.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
If you're at the end game, somebody will replace it.
There's only so far a great relationship and friendship is
gonna take you. But got you gotta be bringing a
product that is syllable I mean, you and I could
be friends.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We'll laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But you know what I mean, I have to have
some value for you to need me to do something,
you know what I mean. Other than that, we're just
gonna be like, hey, I haven't seen a long time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Keep moving, you know. But but for us, I.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Even say that in relationships, you know, I said, hey, yeah,
I could only so much. So far, you're gonna uh
survive on love. You know, your wife and your kids. Oh,
we love you, We'll love you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Let them lights cut off and let's see how much
you love me.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm not saying you won't have love for me, but hey,
it ain't gonna be.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It ain't gonna be be showing me that much affection.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's crazy, how much like that. As you grow into that,
you understand the circle that you need to keep. It's nothing,
it's no disrespect. You just got to look out and
look out for yourself and you gotta make able to
keep moving well.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
At the end of the day, if something is working
for you you, you can't have people around that isn't
bringing something of value to you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That makes no sense. You're gonna need it's you. I'm
talking to pup doll has to have some value.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying that when you call me,
I'm gonna want to answer my phone right away because
it's Pop. Not only do I have a great long
relationship with him, pupp Is on the radio or place
my record, pupp is this.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, Pup is gonna ask me to do a favor.
I gotta do it because you know what, Pup looks
out for me. Now, if you stop.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Looking out for me and stop playing my shot the
radio and stop doing all that, and you know, I might.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Not pick up on the first ring. I might send
you a text, Hey, what's up bro Ya? Everything good?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
As is the real it's the value you have to
You have to keep a.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Value in yourself to have people recognize you as value
and it goes.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And also even your kids.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
If tomorrow morning, my children and I'm starting acting like
a fool and doing crackage, you know what I mean,
and doing this really stupid embarrassing stuff. My daughters are
going to walk past me as if they don't see.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Me, right, who's that guy? You know what I mean?
It is And I can't be mad at that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
They're trying to get in life and I'm a burden
to them, so I.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Have to keep my value up in life. That's just
how life is, bro. It's the hardest truth, the biggest,
the white elephant in the room.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right last week, someone texted me and they were trying
to call me, and I was like, yo, I'm a
little wrapped up right now. They're like, oh, quick second.
My response and was literally this, oh quick second. I
means you're gonna add more work on my plate and
I'm gonna be stuck with doing more stuff for you.
I'll call you one. I'm free because a quick talker.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
But not only that, it all depends on who just
called you, right. I guarantee you if that person was
a person that brought more value to your life, you're
taking this call.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
The person who called you said a quick second, Yeah,
I don't have time for you, right right? Your value
wasn't enough Because this before versus value. You're gonna put
up with as much bull as you can from the
person based on how much value the person. If the
person doesn't a value, you ain't got your tolerance level
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I love having these conversations Shaggy, but he's got so
much going on that I don't want to keep them
any longer. New song is out Looking Lovely May fifteenth
is the album.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Also, are you coming?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You got to come down to see our show in June,
Stay in Shaggy Live at the Metropolitan Opera for the
Last Ship. Here there from the ninth ninth of June
to the fourteenth nine the Metropolitan Opera. Yeah, Stay and
I on. The show is called the Last Ship. It's
our musical. We've sold out in Amsterdam, sold out in Paris.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You sold sixty thousand tickets in Parish for you know.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Four thousand capacity every night, and we're coming to the Metropolitan.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm going to Australia now in three days. Sting and
I do the musical in Brisbane.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So it's been fun. So yeah, it would be cool
to see you there, Papa.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I will definitely might might be there.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, you you just you know, maybe in June you
could come by. It's not far in New York is easy, Yeah,
that's easy at the Metropolitan. And also you might be
required to wear a smoking jacket or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Cannot come into that type of show in the Metropolitan
Opera house in a hoodie.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
No, I got a three piece suit. I got you
TuS you are doing tux.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Is not necessary.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You also have to you have to bring an eye
candy because because.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You're not that like your wife.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yes, because you That's that's what I was hinting, of course,
like the lovely your lovely wife as the eye candy
on your arm to bring it off.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Dundale and Willie will be.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You can come in the day with Willie so you
can at least push his wheelchair.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But done, dilly man, Chaggy always a pleasure, man. Thank
you for doing this benefit concert with me in Boston too.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
My first one is with one of my good friends,
which is you man, and you've inspired me a lot
in my career. And it was only right. You see
what I named it too, You see where I got
the motivation from the name. It's called Puppin. It's called Puppin.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Friends from Shaggy and friends.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, yeah, royalties. I got you ten thousand dollars check
is going to gym that night when you're out here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yes, all good, but big up jem too, man. Yes,
always we're gonna do it for the work they do
great work. Always. We got a lot of We've got
a lot of things going on with this record, so
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Perfect congrats man this week, we got this one going
for you too
Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right man, thank you.
Straight from Pakistan to La to Boston. My man does
it all. Man, he's doing it for the grown and sexy.
You do it for everybody, but just looking lovely. We
got mister Boomba sig Shaggy, mister love of Love, mister
angel Man. He's all, what up, Shaggy, You're always clown
Willy Daniels.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Shout out to Willy Daniels, Yo, you know I got
to shout him up. My dog anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You only give hard time to people you actually care about, Right,
That's that's how I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I love I have a deep I have a deep
love for that. That brother. We've been through a lot
over the years, right, but that he knows I am
gonna crack on him.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Shaggy's on man, bro, like we always talk about, you're
always working. Congratulations on this new single, Boombody. I told
you that was gonna go for me and it's moving.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And it did.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ye it's still going.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Did you you called it? Not only that it's not
just for you overseas, it's been incredibly successful. Big up
to Zoomboat who they took it on as their own
little anthem in the I mean these places have just
you know, uh, Eastern Europe, you know Romania.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's just been massive, and it's just it's early days
till you know, it only gets better.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I was talking to Rick Ross a couple of days ago,
and we're just talking about how, like the the guys
that have been in it for twenty years, you guys
just obviously new music, and you guys can still stick
around and still make records that are that are connecting
and working. TI is another one who's got another top five.
You've got one, You've got a.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Couple of that TI record by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, But talk about how you guys just you know,
no music and just know what the people want.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I still think it's do red me for Solo t do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
We're not inventing the wheel? You know, it's the same.
It's the same thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I mean, door red me for sol la tido.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's you know what I mean, We're not We're not
inventing the wheel here.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think you are a master of your craft.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You will always make great music, you know what I mean,
because the tools are there for it, and you just
have to have an ear, you know. That's why you know,
I like making. Most of my producers that I make,
they're normally d because DJs have an opportunity. They have
talent of reading an audience like you going to go
play at a night club, you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
You might have a set that you have or the plan,
but based on the vibe of that crowd, you're going
to actually switch it up the way you want to
switch it up. To make it work, you got to
have that finger on the pulse of what's going on.
And dj is normally have the finger on the pulse
of what's going on.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So that's why you know, stay international for years. When
we made all it was his angel wasn't me. He
was a DJ, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Costantforts are what I have now you know is also
a DJ, you know. So most of the producers that
I know, you know Shane Hussan da DJ. That DJ
instinct helps you tomit because as a DJ, you your
ear is what you use because you know what banger
to play in the club to get the party going.
That's based on ear, and that the ear is why
(02:50):
you're still on air for this long and you've been
there as long as the building, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I'm saying, but why you continue?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And I've watched your oth and your success from a
DJ to you know, program director and the boss of
the whole thing that happens because of your ear.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You know what record depict, you know how your market works.
You know how what's going to connect. It's the same
thing with me and my career.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I look at the world and the global stage and
my travels and see what's going to connect, and I
can always come back.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We were talking about that's a DJ conversation in the
DJ culture. We've been talking about how you know when
we came up. I mean, you know we sound I
sound like that that old DJ right now. But you
were able to four hours of rocking out in different
you you would control pockets of crowds and just make
sure everybody is having a great time for the risk
of the night. The new DJs are doing the ten
minute drops and the sets and the TikTok sets and
(03:43):
stuff like that. You can't do an hour set, or
they can do an hour, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it's the same thing as the artists. You know,
you look at most of these artists right now. They
cannot do a ninety minute show right it's not gonna happen.
They'll come on and they'll do a couple of punchlines,
a couple of their their you know, if they have
a couple of hits here and pop up, pop and
it'll be out, you know, I mean a half hour
shows the tom still do I do ninety minutes and
I'm and I'm I run out of time.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Compared to the monsters that hits.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, amount of time of hits that I have that
I gotta play.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Every time you've come into town and you have a
concert out here, I always do like a I always
try to do like a twenty minute set, but it
ends up being a sixty seventy minute on air shaggy set.
And I still when I finished, I was like, damn,
I forgot that one. Damn I didn't play one, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, because you got you got, you got joints.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, And I'm juggling the record too. It's not like
there's three minutes of these songs being played.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And in Boston too, is a is a great market,
you know, because you know, you got these colleges out
of there, so it's always a fresh market. You're not right,
You're not playing to just the same set that it's
an evolving city. It moves, you know what I mean,
So that you know you are going to be on
the cutting edge of everything based on the market that
(04:57):
you're in, you.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Know, as a DJ and and as a PD. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Shaggy's in here right now looking lovely man, huge sample.
Can you can you teach me now that me and
you are so cool? I want to learn the How
do you get something like this cleared? How long does
it take? Because I know you've been working on this
album for a long time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
You know who had that song for a long time.
I actually cleared years ago with Pill with his wife.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh wow, lovely woman.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
She was very gracious and I didn't really put the
record out, and I went back to reclear it again
now that I actually finished in and put Robin on
it and everything, and she was just as gracious again.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So shout out to Bill with us and his estatement
and as you know, gracious brother.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Now you're Shaggy, So it probably is a little bit easier.
But when it comes to clearing something like that, if
you have an idea like that and it doesn't get clear.
Did you just you just have to keep it in
the can? Huh.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
There are people who didn't clear stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean, there's a lot of artists that don't clear stuff.
I'm I'm I got here based on samples because reggae
music wasn't being played on mainstream radio, you know, I mean,
so how do I get on radio? I had to
use samples to get it, you know what I mean?
And so I lost a lot of publishing on it.
But you know, I made a career out of it,
so I still I still want, you know, I mean,
and you know it's some artists, I get it. They
(06:07):
don't want they don't want to sample. They want they
don't want to clear samples for whatever reason. I always
think it's stupid. One of the biggest clearers of samples
is Sting Right, and he just kept his catalog going
for years and years and kept him in the relevancy
right space for years up and years and years based
on you know, you look at Shape in My Heart
and how that's been sampled from Juice World, you know,
(06:30):
all the way down to you know, Carl Thomas, to
all of these people sample that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm missing you, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know all these joints and recently down recently Snoop
and Dre did Message in the Bottle. I mean, you know,
and that's a brother that you know, as artistic as
he is and as personal as those songs are to him,
you know you respect the craft, right, I mean, and
people come to sample it and he's going to clear them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You're a hustler, so you know that you're publishing might
be a little lost, but you know you can go
make the money. Like you said, you became an artist,
you became a worldwide artist. So like a lot of
people get caught up like, oh no, I don't want
to give up my publishing. But it's like you got
to know where it's an investment, you know, like, yeah,
you might not make money on this side of it,
but if you know how to hustle it, you can
make a lot more money on the side.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The thing is, you know, I think it was there
were five avenues of income on each song.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
There's a riotous portion. So if you take the rioter's
portion off, what do you have.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
You got the streaming, which is which is the sales, right,
then you have a sink, right, then you have sound
exchange and then you have physical so you lost one.
In the early days, most people normally use that one
because the songwriters were different people and the singers sang,
you know what I mean, it was a part of it.
Not everybody were singing songwriters.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You're still winning regardless.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean, I just think I use samples because it
helps to bring a level of familiarity. And for somebody
like me who's doing dance, all that doesn't have you know,
we're less than thirty percent of the global market share.
You know, you're at iHeart. They got what nine hundred stations?
How many of them reggae?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You have no reggae stations? So how do a reggae
guy get on here? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I got to use a sample where pop dog might
be like, you.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Know what, you know, we probably don't play you know,
X amount of dance all during the day time, but
this sample is kind of cool. So Ayley, let me
play this, you know, and then I you know, I
get it in, you know what I mean, I get
on radio.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Those That's what I That's why I used them.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And for a guy like me who's coming back in
and that was the perfect sample to use because one
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Of Bill Withers.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I listen everything that he has too. That's one of
the most recurrent beat in radio. It is perfect for
your backyard barbecue. It is just what it is, and
it's just a way to get go in and let us,
you know, showcases.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And it's really what I've done over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's the same formula that I'm literally doing, the shaggy
formula with Angel you know, Marvin Gale on the on
the boombastic.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Love songs, love songs with the vibe. Yeah, all right,
well let's get into the song looking Lovely right now
with Robin Thick. Since I got you on, you already
know what you need to do, So go for it, yo.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know how weld go.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's miss the Love of Love of DJ pomp Dog.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
On the wheels of Steals.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
We're about to drop this one, Shaggy Robin Thick Looking
Lovely from the album Lottery out May fifteen.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's go there. It is man looking Lovely, Robin think's
on there with Shaggy album's coming out May fifteenth. You're
gonna be with me, man, so thank you one. You
inspired me so much throughout my whole career. I moved
to Boston because of reggae music being played out here,
and you know, you know how much I love that culture.
You know how much I love the music. And then
(09:40):
whenever I've gone there with you and your people, so
it's a special place for me. I think my career
really took off because of I love reggae, and then
I was able to showcase that I love it, you
know what I mean? Does that make sense? And even
though I think I heard a conversation where you said
someone bigged you up about being in the game for
so long, you said, I'm a vessel for you have
hundreds of people working for you, and like that was
(10:03):
your gift. Like, yeah, your gift is your your vocals
and your art, but your gift is giving back. And
when you said that, it inspired me to like, you're right,
Like we have a bigger mission that we were part
of that we sometimes don't know about.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, I think I know what I've said
where it's you know, we might people might look at
us and say, hey, genius, you wrote these songs, you know,
and I wrote them, but I didn't really write them.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That was these songs were ordained through me from a
higher power, you know what I mean. They're bestowed upon me,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So at the end of the day, if I might
write them, and if you know, but that's from a
high power, And if I did write them, I'll be
writing them every week.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, songs are magical.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They're they're given to you as tools for you to
do great things and change people's.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Lives, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And they're only bestowed upon you if you're worthy, if
your intentions are great. Because you see a guy get
one and his attentions are different and it's taken away
from him, you know, or whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because we're servants. We're all servants. You're doing a service.
You're in a service game. I'm in a service game.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying that when I play somewhere,
the audience might be you know, at the show, you
might have three hundred people that are riggers, you know,
lighting technicians, truck drivers, parking lot attendance. That's three hundred
electric bills, school fees, mortgages, all because I was here
to sing these songs.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That was bestowed upon me.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So it's not just me, it's really everybody else, right,
that's get paid and you're changing one of them. Kids
might go to Ivy League school or on a scholarship,
or they might be the ones that find a cure
for cancer. Well, you're part of an equation, bro, and
that's just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So I look at life like that. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's everything that I do is I use my time
and if I use my talent, it doesn't connect. And
I keep doing it doesn't connect. That's just God saying, hey, well,
thank you for your service. I've done it, but I'm
gonna keep singing the bat though.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know no.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
When you said that, and I've known you so long
that it's so genuine and when you said it and
now you say it again, it just gives me goosebumps
because I know you personally and I know that's what
it's about. It's not that, it's not an act. It's
not anything like that. You know what I mean. And
I respect you for that, man, And that's why I
really look up to you, guys, and I really wanted
to do this for your hometown, for the people that
(12:15):
actually made me who I am. I give a lot
of credit to the Jamaican culture for giving me this
platform to be where I.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Am anyway with you, you know, I mean if you
look at where you're going, because I've seen your.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Journey, you know, from you going from a DJ.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm sure you started a nights being a DJ from
nights go all the way up. I mean the reason
why you use your talent and be a master of
your craft, because now you've gotten this station to be
the number one in the market.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know what I mean? You know what when I walk.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Inside of that office there and I look around and
I see everybody at their computers and all the everybody
in this radio stations, you're part of that equation. If
you didn't use your talent and you're know how to
make that station successful, nobody would be having a job.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That'd be one of them stations that Bob has to cut.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You see them do it, Yeah, we've definitely seen. You've
seen them do it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
If you ain't talented enough to keep that going, that
was cutting right.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And we all us for us.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
If you're at the end game, somebody will replace it.
There's only so far a great relationship and friendship is
gonna take you. But got you gotta be bringing a
product that is syllable I mean, you and I could
be friends.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We'll laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But you know what I mean, I have to have
some value for you to need me to do something,
you know what I mean. Other than that, we're just
gonna be like, hey, I haven't seen a long time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Keep moving, you know. But but for us, I.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Even say that in relationships, you know, I said, hey, yeah,
I could only so much. So far, you're gonna uh
survive on love. You know, your wife and your kids. Oh,
we love you, We'll love you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Let them lights cut off and let's see how much
you love me.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm not saying you won't have love for me, but hey,
it ain't gonna be.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It ain't gonna be be showing me that much affection.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's crazy, how much like that. As you grow into that,
you understand the circle that you need to keep. It's nothing,
it's no disrespect. You just got to look out and
look out for yourself and you gotta make able to
keep moving well.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
At the end of the day, if something is working
for you you, you can't have people around that isn't
bringing something of value to you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That makes no sense. You're gonna need it's you. I'm
talking to pup doll has to have some value.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying that when you call me,
I'm gonna want to answer my phone right away because
it's Pop. Not only do I have a great long
relationship with him, pupp Is on the radio or place
my record, pupp is this.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, Pup is gonna ask me to do a favor.
I gotta do it because you know what, Pup looks
out for me. Now, if you stop.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Looking out for me and stop playing my shot the
radio and stop doing all that, and you know, I might.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Not pick up on the first ring. I might send
you a text, Hey, what's up bro Ya? Everything good?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
As is the real it's the value you have to
You have to keep a.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Value in yourself to have people recognize you as value
and it goes.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And also even your kids.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
If tomorrow morning, my children and I'm starting acting like
a fool and doing crackage, you know what I mean,
and doing this really stupid embarrassing stuff. My daughters are
going to walk past me as if they don't see.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Me, right, who's that guy? You know what I mean?
It is And I can't be mad at that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
They're trying to get in life and I'm a burden
to them, so I.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Have to keep my value up in life. That's just
how life is, bro. It's the hardest truth, the biggest,
the white elephant in the room.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right last week, someone texted me and they were trying
to call me, and I was like, yo, I'm a
little wrapped up right now. They're like, oh, quick second.
My response and was literally this, oh quick second. I
means you're gonna add more work on my plate and
I'm gonna be stuck with doing more stuff for you.
I'll call you one. I'm free because a quick talker.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
But not only that, it all depends on who just
called you, right. I guarantee you if that person was
a person that brought more value to your life, you're
taking this call.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
The person who called you said a quick second, Yeah,
I don't have time for you, right right? Your value
wasn't enough Because this before versus value. You're gonna put
up with as much bull as you can from the
person based on how much value the person. If the
person doesn't a value, you ain't got your tolerance level
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I love having these conversations Shaggy, but he's got so
much going on that I don't want to keep them
any longer. New song is out Looking Lovely May fifteenth
is the album.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Also, are you coming?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You got to come down to see our show in June,
Stay in Shaggy Live at the Metropolitan Opera for the
Last Ship. Here there from the ninth ninth of June
to the fourteenth nine the Metropolitan Opera. Yeah, Stay and
I on. The show is called the Last Ship. It's
our musical. We've sold out in Amsterdam, sold out in Paris.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You sold sixty thousand tickets in Parish for you know.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Four thousand capacity every night, and we're coming to the Metropolitan.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm going to Australia now in three days. Sting and
I do the musical in Brisbane.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So it's been fun. So yeah, it would be cool
to see you there, Papa.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I will definitely might might be there.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, you you just you know, maybe in June you
could come by. It's not far in New York is easy, Yeah,
that's easy at the Metropolitan. And also you might be
required to wear a smoking jacket or something like that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Cannot come into that type of show in the Metropolitan
Opera house in a hoodie.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
No, I got a three piece suit. I got you
TuS you are doing tux.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Is not necessary.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You also have to you have to bring an eye
candy because because.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You're not that like your wife.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yes, because you That's that's what I was hinting, of course,
like the lovely your lovely wife as the eye candy
on your arm to bring it off.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Dundale and Willie will be.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You can come in the day with Willie so you
can at least push his wheelchair.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But done, dilly man, Chaggy always a pleasure, man. Thank
you for doing this benefit concert with me in Boston too.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
My first one is with one of my good friends,
which is you man, and you've inspired me a lot
in my career. And it was only right. You see
what I named it too, You see where I got
the motivation from the name. It's called Puppin. It's called Puppin.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Friends from Shaggy and friends.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, yeah, royalties. I got you ten thousand dollars check
is going to gym that night when you're out here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yes, all good, but big up jem too, man. Yes,
always we're gonna do it for the work they do
great work. Always. We got a lot of We've got
a lot of things going on with this record, so
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Perfect congrats man this week, we got this one going
for you too
Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right man, thank you.
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