September 10, 2026 • 37 mins
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Moe For The Weekend. Moe DeWitt instudio. Russ has questions about the rules for a jury.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It is weekend eve. It's a Thursday. How y'all doing? Remember,
if you want to say hi to us, you can
on Saturday. We're going to be out at pitmastersandpourers.com. Doors
open at 3. Bell time for MWO Wrestling is at
4 o'clock. It's a free attendance. They're not going to
charge anything to get in. So come on by. Say hi.
(00:24):
Free music. Like I say, you've got live music from
Naomi Bradshaw on the dot coms. You've got Thompson Square
performing live. There'll be college football on the big screen.
And come say hi to us. I'll be in a
tent beforehand. Raising money for the Carla K. Cancer Screening Fund.
I'm going to auction off Amber Nover's belt. I'm auctioning
off that day. So she better get the new one
(00:46):
in because that one's gone. And if you want to
bid on the belt, all that money is going to
go to the Carla K. Cancer Screening Fund to get
more people cancer screenings. We've done a bunch of those.
And if you can help us out on Saturday, I'd
appreciate it. What's up? I'm Russ, along with Amy, the counselor.
We got Angel and Ryan, and it's Mo DeWitt. Mo
for the weekend. How you doing, Mo? I'm doing great.
(01:06):
How you guys doing? Wonderful. I've been waiting to talk
to you about this all week. I'm like, ooh, I
got to talk to Mo about this when we see him.
And that is, I don't understand everything I need to
know about when you have a hung jury, right? So
you had the case this week with Lindsey Clancy, I think. Yep. Yeah. So, uh, uh,
you had a, you had a one guy that was
(01:27):
holding out and he's like, listen, I'm not, you know,
I'm not going to say, you know, I'm not going,
you can't change my mind for nothing. Right. And so
there was like a break where they had, uh, where
they had one of the attorneys. appealing to the judge
and saying, this guy's not following the rules. Tell me
everything that you know about hung jury and whether that
(01:50):
was normal for a, for an attorney to, to kind
of be tell on the, you know, like you're talking
to the judge and saying, you got to make this
guy say what I want you to say. That's unusual,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's unusual in the sense, I mean, hung juries happen
all the time, right? That just means that the jurors
can't unanimously, cause they have to unanimously agree on, on
a verdict. They can't unanimously unanimously agree on a verdict.
But here, what was unique was the jurors were coming
back to the judge and saying that this one holdout
would not follow the law. So that's the main thing
(02:22):
as a juror you're charged with. And a lot of
times that they want to die on is you have
to follow the law, even if you disagree with the law.
And so the other 11 jurors there were saying basically
that this one juror was openly saying that, you know, he,
I think, Someone agrees there's there's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Doubt or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
But he just won't follow the law. Yeah, that's what
that's what they said. They said he said that there
was reasonable doubt, but he said there's no way I'm
going to vote that she's not guilty by was it
the mental reason. I'm not going to say that. So
if he's saying, hey, listen, I know there's reasonable doubt,
but I'm not voting that way. He is sort of.
(03:01):
breaking the rules of what you're supposed to be doing.
He is.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Now, here's the other interesting caveat, at least in Florida,
you know, juror deliberations are supposed to be completely confidential.
So what's said in that room is really never supposed
to leave that room. And obviously, you know, here by
them writing that note to the juror, unless there's misconduct.
And I don't know that this really borders on, you know,
crosses the line into necessarily misconduct. Maybe it borders the line. But,
(03:25):
you know, unless there's misconduct, all those conversations are supposed
to be confidential. So You know, unless the jurors want
to speak after the verdict is issued or after the trial,
usually we never really get to hear what goes on
in that room.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So now they're doing interview like all the other, which
obviously happened for women, I think, that are doing the
interviews afterwards.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
There was one male who came out recently this morning. But,
you know, that happens somewhat regularly in high profile cases.
But what's really unusual is to know that this debate
was going on while it was going on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And so that's what the defense attorney was harping on
and why he wanted to immediately petition the Supreme Court
to try to basically force them into, you know, rendering
a verdict here, because I think he knew obviously it
was in his favor.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But, you know, that's that would be an extraordinary act.
It would be very, very rare for. um, a court
to basically force the jury to render a verdict here. Um,
you know, maybe there would be an argument to remove
that one juror and replace them with an alternate.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's what they were asking for. But the judge says,
I don't feel like it's my job to pull him
because he's not agreeing with you lately. That's what he said. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And so that's, that's a very sensitive subject, right? I mean,
which certainly open, um, if she was found not guilty
by reason of insanity, then open the appellate issue for
the prosecution to appeal.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And so judges are oftentimes looking at, you know, how
do I avoid getting overturned on appeal and basically finagling
a jury like that during deliberations when we know kind
of how the vote is going and pulling somebody who's,
you know, against the defense and try to plug in
somebody in favor of them.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Right. Could be looked at.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
As sort of, you know, misconduct or improper and, you know,
to kind of disturb those ongoing deliberations.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, so it's hung jury, which means she has to
be tried again.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
She doesn't have to be. The prosecution has the option
to try her again, you know, because double jeopardy does
not attach, but They could ultimately still reach a plea deal.
They could say, we don't want to spend the money
to try her again. I think they will try her again.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah. But they're not obligated to. They don't have to.
That's good to know. I didn't realize that. I thought
automatically you have to have another trial. So you don't
have to have another trial. Correct. Let's say you do
have another trial and it's another hung jury. Is it like, okay,
there's two hung juries. You're free to go? Or do
they just keep going? Just keep going.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Keep doing it over and over and over again. Until
there's a verdict, Double Jeopardy would not attach. So you
can keep trying them as many times as you want, essentially.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'll be damned. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I'm so glad I'm not on that jury. They came
out as insufferable to me.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
The women?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The three women that came out first. I'm like, God,
it would be so annoying to be in a room
with that. Now you know how your wife feels.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, exactly. I don't know, man. It's a weird thing.
I think if a dude.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I hate to be this guy because I'm lining up
with so many people that I hate. And that's super frustrating.
But I do believe if this was just a dude...
We would not be having the same problems that we're
having now that her, like her horoscope sign would not
be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
We wouldn't like, and I don't know, I don't know
right or wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I do think that like when you have them come
out and say, well, the prosecution just didn't, you know, they, they,
they just seemed like they were attacking her and not
getting her side of the story.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
And I'm like, that's not the job of the prosecution.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
I mean, there's plenty of guys that have gotten NGI though.
Not guilty by reason of insanity. That's not just for women.
This is just a high profile case.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, but for me, it's just like, this lady clearly
just killed three children from five to.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Like, newborn. The question is, was she insane by— was she
guilty by insanity? That's the question, and that's probably what
the doubt of that juror was. It wasn't if she
did it or not or if she meant to do it.
Was she insane while she was killed? I know, but
I put myself in this position because, like, I am—
Because you have insanity sometimes. Think about what you do
when you're insane, right?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I'm a rule follower, and I can, like— And my
superpower is I can have 11 people in a room
sit mad at me.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And if I believe what I believe in, I'm going
to stay that way. You're going to kill somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Amy, talk to me about the type of insanity that
she claimed that she had. I mean, I guess there
was proof that she had that insanity or is that debatable?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
They were saying that she was having voices that were
telling her to do these things.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And medication, the certain medication made that happen. Was that
the argument?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I haven't been following it that closely.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I don't, I don't know all the ins and outs,
but basically they're doing, they're saying, okay, I was crazy
at this time and I, these voices told me to
do it. And that's how you get off on NGI
is that I was not in my right mind at
that moment.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
So that's what they're debating.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
From what I saw, like she was, she, she was
asking for help and wasn't getting the right help that
she wanted is what I saw. And then, and then
that she was taking certain medication for postpartum depression.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
They were saying it was PMDD and they were saying,
but also they were also said that she's left on
her own accord, didn't take the meds on her own accord.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So there is, you know, both sides.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And it's hard because again, I started in forensic mental
health when I first started and I saw people who
truly were out of their mind.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And could not be held accountable.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
When you see her now sitting there, it's hard to tell,
was this an episode or is she just using this
to get out of this?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's hard to tell.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Mo, how often do people use that as a defense?
I wasn't mentally in my right mind.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know the stats on it,
but it does come up fairly regularly because there is
a lot of mental health issues out there. And the
example they always give us in law school to kind
of put this in perspective for people is somebody in
their own mind, they think they're like swinging a golf club,
but really they're hitting somebody with a hammer.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So they don't actually know what they're doing. And there
can be more complex. That's a very rudimentary example. But
everybody's sort of uproar is obviously she killed these three kids,
and that's a horrible, horrible thing. But the question becomes–
oftentimes we disagree with the law. The law is what
the law is. We can disagree with it. But as
a juror, they're obligated to follow the law, and that's
(09:16):
really what this case boils down to.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And speak to them, both of you. It's amazing to
me how because you would think that everybody would be
against her as she killed three kids. There's no question.
We don't we don't even believe in your crazy ideas
about your mental health. But that's not really what's happening. Many,
many women are supporting her and seem to understand. So
(09:39):
do you think and it's not usually guys. You don't
see a whole lot of guys on that team. It's
mostly women that are that are being empathetic to her.
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean, I don't really like to speculate getting into
other people's heads. I would just you know, purely say
from the legal standpoint, you know, these laws exist for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And so you may disagree with them and people may
support her because maybe they they. feel empathy for her
situation or mental health, or maybe they've gone through that
or know somebody who's gone through it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The postpartum aspect of it is where a lot of
women can identify. That's where they're identifying. They have the
empathy because they've gone. Do you think that's what it is, Amy?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well, think about it for men.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
When you think of a man and a crime, a passion,
or when you as men have been so angry you
couldn't help but punch a wall, you identify with that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Maybe the drywall should stop talking ass. Exactly.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
And so as a person that went through having a child,
I can identify with the insanity of motherhood.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I can totally identify with that.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
But as a mental health clinician, I also don't like
someone to use that to get out of something and
have responsibility.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I hate when people use their mental health excuses to.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Get out of something.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Like being late.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Right like we don't want to say that ryan's late
because he's a jerk we want to say he's late
because of his.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Adhd ryan's at least knows that he's late tries to
do it a lot of black women with postpartum they
ain't strangling their children one by one there are.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Though and like if i don't know enough about the
case to say either way i don't have a side
with this yeah but i do know that i have
had people that have truly had these issues where they're
not themselves and they're making choices they would never rationally make.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I will say this, and I probably shouldn't say this,
but I'm going to say it anyway. You won't say it.
You won't say it. Several months ago, somebody gave me
and left a bunch of chocolates at the house. And
it turned out I ate the chocolates, and they were mushrooms, right? Yeah. Okay,
and so in this weird dream I had.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Hey, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Mo, you're not acting as his attorney here, right? No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
This is a true story, though. This is what will
be exhibit one when it all goes down. Everybody sitting here,
when it all goes down, we're all part of exhibit one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Go ahead, Russ. In this weird mushroom dream, in my mind,
everything I did, the opposite happened, right? So I had
to do what was opposite. So I'm laying next to
my wife, and I'm like, well, if you really love her,
you've got to kill her.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Don't put that on the radio, Russ.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's pretty meditative. I'm just saying, that's what went through
my mind. And I was able to, in this mushroom dream, go, wait, wait, wait,
that can't be right.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Therapist just told you don't don't continue with this and
this is like the third time you've told this.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Story but i can identify with someone being crazy enough
like because because in their mind they.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Think they're doing the right thing but you didn't act
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I did not no no and i never would we're
all getting we're all getting pulled into court guys so.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
What i'm saying is mushrooms and you probably might who
knows so don't do any more mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Exactly yeah yeah i threw all the candies in another
closet uh but um but um Yeah, but I could
see where if she's on enough drugs, she might have
thought that she was doing the right thing. And it
could be a mental breakdown situation.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
That's what they're trying to prove. And the thing is,
even if she gets NGI, she's not going to walk free.
They're going to have her in a hospital. So it's
not like, oh, I'm just off scot-free. Instead of going
into a prison, she would go into a hospital, which
is not a fun place.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Is that why they keep she's in a wheelchair the
whole time?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Is that just to make her look crazy? No, I mean,
she's paralyzed from, I think, what, the neck down? Oh,
I didn't know that. Yeah, she's fully paralyzed. How'd she
get paralyzed? I think after she killed her kids, she
jumped off a building or something.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh, wow. If I remember correctly. Okay, well, there you go.
She's crazy. Yeah. So, I mean. That was it? That
was the line? Please be crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Mo, can you stick around for another segment? I'm sorry.
I ate up your whole segment trying to figure out,
you know, about hung juries. What's that? Speaking of eating,
there's barbecue. Oh, well, here's what we're going to do.
We'll take a little mushroom. We're going to grab some
barbecue and mushrooms. And when we come back, we'll find
out what's going on this weekend for Mo for the weekend.
(14:00):
Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the match of the morning.
That's justcallmo.com. Mo DeWitt's in here with us. If you
get into an accident, no matter where it is, you know,
you get injured or whatever, injured on the go, just
call Mo. Or if you're in an accident, give Mo
a call. No charge for the phone call. And think
of Mo right away. He'll be glad to help you out.
Did you get... Did you get the hot barbecue sauce
(14:21):
or did you get the.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I got the regular one, but I got these spicy
pickles that are kicking my butt.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Whatever I got hold of is still.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, shout out to Get In Your Belly Spicy Barbecue.
That was one of the featured barbecue sauces that's out
there out back. Just to give you guys an idea
for the pitmasters and pourers vendors, we got Knucklehead's Barbecue,
Just Smoke It Yo, Rollin' and Smokin', Jimmy Bear's Barbecue.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Jimmy Bear's.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Ooh.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
TBG Barbecue, Meatheads Barbecue, and Hertz Barbecue. So that's representing
the barbecue side. And then we also have Mad Hombre
Hot Sauce. Our man, Mad Hombre Hot Sauce is going
to be out there. He's hooked us up with hot
sauce in the past. And then these guys were the
spicy barbecue and the regular barbecue. were the ones that
were featured today with what they get.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, the sauces are bottled in Mount Dora. They got
a good spicy sauce to them. That's some of the
best pulled pork I've really had in a while.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Really good. And by the way, that's the Pitmasters and Pourers.
It's this Saturday. We'll be out there. Doors open at 3.
There is no charge. It's free attendance. And like I said,
they got live music. No, no, no. Naomi Bradshaw and
the dot coms are performing live. You got Thompson Square.
You're going to have college football on this huge screen
(15:35):
where you can sit and drink beer and watch the game.
Professional wrestling. You got MWO wrestling starting at four. So
that's a bell time at four. So show up and
you can see it. And all of it is no charge.
And a bunch of different barbecue place. How many? Like
six or seven?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You said what we got here?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
A bunch. Always great barbecue. I go to Jimmy Bear's
usually because we've met him and know him. He's a
nice guy. Yeah, we got about eight. Oh, eight. There
you go.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Mo, have you done a barbecue sauce? I know the
hot sauce is your thing, but have you done a
barbecue sauce?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We've never done a barbecue sauce. I've toyed around with
the idea. We just got to find somebody who's really
good at making it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Make a good one. You like hot.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Theoretically speaking, I like the idea of hot, but I
can't take too.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Much of it. I'm with you, but I'm not that
much into super hot.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Oh, but the spicy barbecue sauce was right on point.
It gives you that nice little pop, but it doesn't
take you down. I love the hot barbecue sauce. I'm
still being a baby then. Because it's still getting me.
What else happened on the weekend, Angel?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
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the aforementioned Pitmos and Pores, that's 3 to 9 p.m.
(16:57):
at Elizabeth Evans Park, Mount Dora. We're all going to
be out there. You heard the food. They're also going
to have a drone show and musical entertainment as well.
One of the things that's happening on Saturday, Russ, Early Saturday.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Andrew got that hot throat right now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It caught me. We have the Lake Ridge Winery and
Vineyards Farmer's Market. Oh, really? Yeah, that's going down 9 a.m.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
To 3 p.m.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Have you ever been out to Lake Ridge Winery? Have
you ever been out there?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
I've been to Lake Ridge.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's pretty cool. They've got music and stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
They've got hills. They have some Florida hills out there.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I like it out there. And then also on
8 a.m. start through the.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Day, the Fall Baldwin Park Porch Sale. And that's happening
in Baldwin Park 8 a.m. through, I guess, the rest
of the day. And it's residents selling their items on
the front porch driveways throughout the neighborhood. This sounds like
Russ's nightmare. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
The hub of that is.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Going to be at the Grace Hopper Hall at Corrine
Commons will be the focal point of that. And then
this was interesting. Albin Polasek Museum. It's Chech Heritage Day,
and that's going to be Sunday, September the 13th.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And free admission all day long with traditional music, crafts, snacks,
and storytelling. And so that's going to be Sunday, September
the 13th.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Love some good storytelling. Yeah. What's a good Chech snack?
I don't know. Or Chech food?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't know much about it. Rogies?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Isn't that a Czech food?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I thought that was Polish. I could be wrong. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We should go to the Czech Fest. We should check
the Czech Fest out. They like a chocolate-covered wafer, according to.
And then we got a fedorki. Meat-heavy dishes, rich sauces,
and comfort dumplings.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I like meat-heavy dishes.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I like comfort dumplings.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's the name of my band. And those are the
events this weekend, Russ. Hey, Mo, got a question for you. Yeah. Okay,
I'm in a restaurant, okay, and I see some crazy
guy comes in, and he pulls a gun, and he's
going to shoot his ex-wife, but the safety's on, so
he doesn't shoot her. So I want to save the day,
and I tackle the guy, but I go to beat
the snot out of him. I'm hitting him, I'm punching him,
(19:12):
and really mess him up.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
And I say, you don't mess with Batman.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Can I be sued?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So you have the right to defend third parties just
like in self-defense. What if I go overboard, though? As
long as you use a reasonable degree of force, given
the circumstances, then typically you cannot be sued. Now, in
that situation, even if the person tried to sue, if
they're trying to kill their wife or ex-wife, they're probably
not going to be too sympathetic to a jury where
(19:40):
you probably wouldn't be too worried about it. But from
a legal standpoint, purely speaking, you'd have to really go
overboard beyond where there was potentially any threat at that
point in time.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah he got a gun can i use because isn't
that how self-defense works you can use up to and
equal to the force used against you so if a
guy comes at me with fists i can't come with
a gun so it's.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Not quite that simple it's a reasonable degree of force
is basically what.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
The law says so it was no yes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's hard to speak for no i'm just asking because
that's just what i've i've always assumed you know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a it's a reasonable assumption,
but then, you know, there could be different circumstances where,
you know, based on based on size, based on strength
of the person's a professional MMA fighter and you're just,
you know, a little 120 pound dude, then you might
have to use more force than just your fists. So
it's not just a, you know. fist-versus-fist, knife-versus-knife, gun-versus-gun scenario.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
How does it work? Okay, because a lot of farts... Farts? Whoa!
Speaker 1 (20:39):
A lot of farts, what?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
It was going to say fight start. Silent but deadly farts.
It was going to say fight start, and it came
out farts, okay? But a lot of farts....
Speaker 3 (20:50):
A lot of fights start by the other guy going, hey,
you got to hit me first.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You want to do this? You got to hit me first.
You can't sue me because then you've hit me first.
Is that how real is that? Again, it depends on
the scenario. So, you know, oftentimes with those scenarios, there
could be a reasonable belief that you're in imminent danger
of great bodily harm. And so it's going to depend
on what said the size, the how close you are
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to each other.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
But it's just because someone says to.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Hit you or hit them, typically that's not an open
invitation to just beat the snot out of them either.
So that's not– consent doesn't oftentimes hold up. But again,
it depends on the situation. So if someone hits you,
you can hit back? If it's a reasonable degree of
force to defend yourself. Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And what if they spit on you? If they spit
on you, can you hit them?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
That's an assault.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, it's a battery.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So if you spit on somebody, it's a battery in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Corrected again.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But again, if they don't pose any further reasonable degree
of threat at that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Point in time. So you just spit back in there.
They spit at you, you spit at them.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We're just spitting at each other.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But even if you spit back at them, then you
could be committing a battery as well if there's no
imminent threat. So if they spit and then turn and
walk away, now they've committed a battery, but the threat
is over. So you have no right to retaliate at
that point.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So the only thing legally you can do, if someone
spits in your face, you can spit right back at them.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Okay. Moe did not say yes to that.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
No, you cannot. Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Thanks, Moe. It's funny how you tried to reframe the question.
He told you no three times. I know. I tried
to get it out of him.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
But I really want to spit on someone. I like
spitting on people. What if he spits in my mouth
and I like it? Yeah, Moe.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think that's more of an Amy question. Yeah, really.
So what you got going on this weekend? Anything?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think I'm just hanging out here.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right here? Right here.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
He's going to be partying during what the hell is
Angel listening to?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's calling it a weekend. He's like, I'm here. Got
some barbecue.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, listen, it's Mo for the weekend. If you're injured
on the go, just call Mo. It's justcallmo.com. Thank you, Mo.
I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. All right, don't go anywhere.
We got more with Amy, the counselor. I got more
questions for her because we have all kinds of problems.
Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Monsters of the Morning.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
4.1.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It is weekend Eve. And this weekend, make sure you
join us out at... uh mount door for uh pit
masters and horrors live in mount door what's up i'm
russ with angel ryan and amy the counselor and with
us i got a bunch of some days like i
don't have enough stuff to talk about and some days
i have too much today's a too much thing and
i want to talk about this ai killing the world
(23:31):
thing but but we'll get to that maybe a little
bit because i got a counselor here so these uh
these things that everybody can really identify with are more
fun to talk about uh to be honest with you
so amy here amy.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well you're telling me fun topics are better than the
inevitable robots crushing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Us yeah we got a lot of time to talk
about that not much.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
We only have like 10 years i know but.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We got amy here so i want to go over
a couple things so the okay i think a lot
of people have a problem with this but I might
not be right because I'm stuck in my head and
in my world. So maybe it's not a lot of
people have a problem with it. Maybe it's just Russ does.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
It's Russ, the Russ problem.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Look at me growing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Look at you growing.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right, what we do every day. Right, right, right. But
the power of saying no.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, right, right. Because as a younger man, even as
I got older, to say no to people was kind
of hard for me. You know, like I kind of
say yes to almost everything. And then you get to
the point where, you know... you can say no and
you sort of enjoy it a little bit. And I
say that because I had a recent thing and I'm,
he's probably listening. So I don't want you to be
(24:37):
too mad, but it just, you know, someone asked me
to do something that I just wouldn't even do for myself.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And, and I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm not
doing that. You know, it was, it was someone asked
me for a favor and it's something I just, you know,
it's not this, it's not exactly this, but let's say
like my friend, Bo used to ask me to go
buy Copenhagen for him.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, I don't want anyone thinking I'm buying Copenhagen. I
ain't buying Copenhagen for you. I say no to that, right?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
What's Copenhagen?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Copenhagen is dip, right?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Was he underage or something?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, I just don't like it.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Hey, is that Russ Rawlings buying dip over there? Oh
my God.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh my God, my eight-year-old son's here.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Don't look.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
He's your hero.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Or I won't buy cigarettes for people. Like, I'm not smoking. No,
that's you. Like, you know, so this particular person. This
particular person asked me to go do something and went
to Haven for him. And I'm like, and I just
said no.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then when I hung up, I'm like, I really
felt good to say no, because I normally would just
say yes to everything. Just ask Russ to buy Rum Runner,
see what he says.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
What's he say? Is he a yes?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I buy them all, yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Even though it's just as bad?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
A rum runner is just as bad, if not worse,
as Copenhagen, right?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, but I believe in a rum runner.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes!
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He's a Fairweather fan again.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
He's a Fairweather fan.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yes!
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So if you like it, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I still do a monster shirt. I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I believe in rum runners.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah. He sounded like Martin Luther King, too. He's like,
I believe in rum runners.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
That is the thing that Russ has said with the
most conviction in about six months.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I had a dream that there would be rum runners
and I would be on mushrooms and I would want
to kill my wife.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Anyway, where was I going with that? I felt good
saying no. Oh, felt good saying no. But as I
was thinking about talking to you about this, I'm like, well,
maybe this is just a problem I have. So do
you find most people have problems saying no to things
or is that just... a particular personality type.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
A personality type for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
See, I assumed everyone had a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It's definitely a people pleasing type personality. And when you
used to say no, how would it make you feel?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
When did you say yes?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
No, before.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Let's go back even before that. You used to not
feel comfortable saying no to people, right? Correct.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Why?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
What would happen if you said no to somebody?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, I felt like they were disappointed in me or,
you know, like, oh, you're not a real friend or
something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And so that's kind of bad boundaries, right? Which I
know sometimes there's a history of bad boundaries with the monsters, maybe.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
And so– Maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If you even knew. That's a whole other hour or two.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
A whole other candy closet for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Let's do a show about all the boundaries that we've crossed.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Have Mo here while you do it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
We're going to have to write legal as we go.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
You might need to.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
And so if you were raised where like you were
praised for doing what someone wants you to do, it's
hard to get out of that.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
My mom always says you were raised on praise.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
And so you were always kind of given the apple
or given the carrot and that made you feel good.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In his case, it was cupcakes.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Cupcakes, mushrooms, whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
And so you were raised like that.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
So now you have to go against your program to say, no,
this isn't good for them or me. saying yes to anybody,
especially as a parent. Now I can't say yes to
my kid all the time, even though I want to,
cause I love my kids so much.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
That's not good for them.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
All the time is bad.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It felt good to say no. The other day though.
And I know this person was probably disappointed, but I
was like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know, is it a boundaries thing? Yeah, it was
a Boundaries thing.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's like, I already had plans on Saturday and someone
asked me to go pick something up for him, but
they were going to buy something on Facebook Marketplace. And like,
can you go pick this up? It's in Winter Haven.
Were you getting Facebook enchiladas out in Winter Haven?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was something else. And he was like, go pick
it up and I'll Venmo you the money. And I'm like,
I wouldn't even do that. I don't like to go
to people's houses that I don't know for me. Why
would you ask me to do that? Yeah, Russ wouldn't
go pick up the lid of mushrooms. You live right there.
You're going to see this guy eventually. Why can't you
(28:43):
just go over there and do it? Because I don't
want to go to some random person's house. I don't
want to go buy this thing.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Could you imagine?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm just chilling and then my favorite radio show host
shows up.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
At my house like, wow, are you Russ Rollins?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Do you watch some Copenhagen? I hear you have a
Copenhagen problem.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I hear you like tobacco. No, and it's good. You're
choosing yourself.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Like when you're a people pleaser, you're abandoning yourself all
the time at the sake of others.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
When you start setting boundaries, you're choosing yourself. You're standing
up for yourself. You're saying, you know, my time is valuable.
that doesn't mean you're never going to say yes again
but you're actually putting that uh that weight on there
if it's something that you're going.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
To do choose life so angel do you ever have
you ever had a problem saying no i am the
worst at saying that so you say no no problem
uh no no no i am the worst at saying
it so i.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So i get myself bad too yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I get into really really really really bad spots because
i want to accommodate and i think that i can
uh handle everything and so i yes i say yes
to stuff all the time we should say no i
should say no or the thing that i've learned this
is the this is the thing that i've learned that's
helped me the best uh in recent times and then
when i say recent i'm talking like in the last
(29:53):
six months is like i will Say no to you.
You asked me to say that. I'll say no to you.
I'm saying no to you right now, but please give
me time to revisit this.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh, okay. You know what I mean? But right now,
off rip, no.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know what I mean? How long did it take
you to get to the point to be able to
say that? To say no? You still can't do it. Yeah,
just like six months ago. And Ryan's right. I still
get myself into jams because I want to.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Or pickles.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, or pickles. Because I don't want... And like Amy said,
it's the people-pleasing part of it and whatever and the
nature of what we do and that you want to
be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Oh, I've seen you do that. Yeah, I've seen you
do that with listeners and stuff. And I've been like, Angel,
you should have just told them no. And you'll try
to get them tickets or you'll do things. Yeah, you
do do that.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Do you know why, Angel?
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Do you know where yours comes from? Like why you're
like that?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
This is me saying no to you.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Brian, how about you? Don't say no when it comes
to emotions.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know where.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
That's a good one, because I don't know where... You
know what? If I had to guess, it's this. Being
the new kid, always, at the new school and everything,
and I always wanted to be accepted, and I always
wanted to be part of.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Of like the little in crowd or the little in clique.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Never had that experience.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Never had that until I was older playing basketball. It
was probably the first time where I was accepted in
the inner clique kind of thing. So I was constantly made,
you know, teased and made fun of and, you know,
angel hair food cake.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Right. Which is the worst cut.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's not even a good one.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
It's the worst.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Dummies i hate all y'all idiots jerks but i think
it comes from their aim if i had to if
i had to guess.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That makes sense right how about you ever had problems
saying no no no yeah you've always you should not
you're not really a people pleaser no yeah i'm just
gonna leave that there I.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Don't think so.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
There's probably things that you do that you wish you
didn't have to do.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
He's lying. I don't believe him. I've seen him be
nice when he doesn't want to be nice.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I didn't say be nice. I just wanted to say
no for comedy there. If somebody asks you to do
something and you really don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
That's what I learned in this job. People take advantage.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Of me.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I was a say yes to everything person, and then
I got very taken advantage of by undisclosed people, and
it felt really bad.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It never stopped.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It never stopped taking me in. I just had some boundaries.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
No, you got to set boundaries. I didn't have any boundaries. Actually,
before I had this show, I had no boundaries. Very
bad at that. And I would always say yes to everything,
whether it was this show, Open Mic'ers, In.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Stand-up comedy, you have to set boundaries or people will take, take, take.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So now I say no and I like saying no.
You have to.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I know.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Isn't that weird? I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah. I actually, though I know I disappointed this person,
I was proud of myself for saying no. Yeah. Because
I had plans with my wife. It's not something I
wanted to do. I just didn't want to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And I've started booking comedy shows last like five or
six years and people are like, you've changed. I'm like, no,
I just can't always give you what you want when
you want it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You can't do it. People will take from you. That's
the problem. And it's not good.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You give a mouse a cookie, and it's going to
want to peg you. Which you're going to love. But
sometimes you've got to say no. But sometimes you've got
to say yes.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Sometimes the no gets you the yes. I mean, sometimes
the yes... Gets you the cookie. Gets you the cookie.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What kind of mouses are you hanging out with, bro?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Let's just say I got a mascot costume in my house.
A little leather mouse.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A little.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
No but like and there's been times where like i
didn't say no and it has worked out for the
better right but like for the most part i do
find that people will take advantage of you if you
don't set boundaries.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
There's probably people that you can't say no to is
there anybody that you can't say no to in your life.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Uh my wife yeah because she has those big doughy
eyes and i love her so much My kids.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You know, though, here's the thing. Here's what I've learned.
The people that really love you won't ask you to
do things that you have to say no to. Bo
would never ask me to do anything that he knows
I'm going to say no to. He didn't ask me
for money. There are things he knows I won't do.
So he knows the same thing with Mary Ellen. Like
they they know the things not to ask me.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That make sense?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But when someone asks me something like, you don't know
that I don't want to do that. Like, what's wrong
with you?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Yeah, that's a great point. That's a really good point.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
And surrounding, you have to find people that know you
well enough to not want to take from you or make.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Your life worse. I think in person, like I have,
I do have a harder problem doing it in person.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Like, uh, yeah, it's a hard problem. I have a
hard problem.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
If I asked for $ 10 right now, what would you say?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
But if you ask me in text, like say we're
talking back and forth, right? And it's going good. We're having,
we're joking back, bing, bing, bing, bing, back and forth,
back and forth. And you're like, Hey, can you do this?
Then I won't talk to you for two years. I'll
just not answer your text and ghost you forever. I've
got friends left on red. But that's worse.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Because that's almost worse though, because then you're playing that
Russian roulette kind of game of, You might catch them outside.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
You might run into that person in real life.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And I'll be like, Oh dude, I just don't answer
my text. And like, Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It's so funny that you say that when you said
that it just sparked a memory that I had forgotten about,
but I had not, not the wrestling coach that you
guys have met, not Robert Jones, my junior high. my
high school wrestling coach. And I don't even know if
he's still alive, but the last time I talked to him,
he calls me and asked me to borrow like $ 5, 000.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
And I'm like, well, let me call you back.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And I had not talked to him since because I
was offended that he would ask me.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Russ, can I borrow 5K?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Can we all borrow?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So you say no. This is where it begins.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I can't look at him.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm looking around the room. That's part of the gag, Russ.
Say no. This is an exercise. If you really need it.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
He would give it to you. I think if you
really asked, he would give it to you. Because he
would know you would really need it.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
But like he said, there has got to be a
long litany of bad decisions that I've made that I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
To Russ's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah. And go, yo, my guy, can I get 5K?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, in the right circumstances, I probably would. No,
that's what I'm saying. Like, legitimate. Like, you know, if
I'm out there doing dumb ass, then I'm out there
doing dumb ass. All right, so, Amy, we're going to
come back, and then we got the king of Denmark.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And then I want to ask you about.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Having hard conversations with people. It's kind of like saying no.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But we can talk about that. And then also AI.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
You're saying difficult conversations. Difficult conversations with people.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Not hard. Difficult. Difficult conversations with people where you know
you've got to tell them.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Amy, what are you?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Amy.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I'm learning a lot about Angel today. It's a lot
of black or white thinking with Angel. You have to
say it the perfect way or he's not going.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
To listen to you. Russ is always thinking about blacks.
It's a Gemini thing. Sometimes it comes out really.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I'm a Gemini too.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, sometimes it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Sometimes it's really pronounced and other times it's not.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I've learned now that I work in the same room
with Angel sometimes. I have to edit the show. We're
here for like an hour afterwards. Angel doesn't realize that
he says his inner voice out loud.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Like Angel, like something will happen and Angel will just
be like. And I'm like, dude, I think he meant
to say that in his head.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And he did not. He said it out loud to himself.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
We got to take a break. When we come back,
it's time for the King of Denmark, Ryan Holmes, to
make his daily proclamation. You're listening to the March of
the Morning. Join us.
It is weekend eve. It's a Thursday. How y'all doing? Remember,
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And come say hi to us. I'll be in a
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off that day. So she better get the new one
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in because that one's gone. And if you want to
bid on the belt, all that money is going to
go to the Carla K. Cancer Screening Fund to get
more people cancer screenings. We've done a bunch of those.
And if you can help us out on Saturday, I'd
appreciate it. What's up? I'm Russ, along with Amy, the counselor.
We got Angel and Ryan, and it's Mo DeWitt. Mo
for the weekend. How you doing, Mo? I'm doing great.
(01:06):
How you guys doing? Wonderful. I've been waiting to talk
to you about this all week. I'm like, ooh, I
got to talk to Mo about this when we see him.
And that is, I don't understand everything I need to
know about when you have a hung jury, right? So
you had the case this week with Lindsey Clancy, I think. Yep. Yeah. So, uh, uh,
you had a, you had a one guy that was
(01:27):
holding out and he's like, listen, I'm not, you know,
I'm not going to say, you know, I'm not going,
you can't change my mind for nothing. Right. And so
there was like a break where they had, uh, where
they had one of the attorneys. appealing to the judge
and saying, this guy's not following the rules. Tell me
everything that you know about hung jury and whether that
(01:50):
was normal for a, for an attorney to, to kind
of be tell on the, you know, like you're talking
to the judge and saying, you got to make this
guy say what I want you to say. That's unusual,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's unusual in the sense, I mean, hung juries happen
all the time, right? That just means that the jurors
can't unanimously, cause they have to unanimously agree on, on
a verdict. They can't unanimously unanimously agree on a verdict.
But here, what was unique was the jurors were coming
back to the judge and saying that this one holdout
would not follow the law. So that's the main thing
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as a juror you're charged with. And a lot of
times that they want to die on is you have
to follow the law, even if you disagree with the law.
And so the other 11 jurors there were saying basically
that this one juror was openly saying that, you know, he,
I think, Someone agrees there's there's reasonable.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Doubt or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
But he just won't follow the law. Yeah, that's what
that's what they said. They said he said that there
was reasonable doubt, but he said there's no way I'm
going to vote that she's not guilty by was it
the mental reason. I'm not going to say that. So
if he's saying, hey, listen, I know there's reasonable doubt,
but I'm not voting that way. He is sort of.
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breaking the rules of what you're supposed to be doing.
He is.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Now, here's the other interesting caveat, at least in Florida,
you know, juror deliberations are supposed to be completely confidential.
So what's said in that room is really never supposed
to leave that room. And obviously, you know, here by
them writing that note to the juror, unless there's misconduct.
And I don't know that this really borders on, you know,
crosses the line into necessarily misconduct. Maybe it borders the line. But,
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you know, unless there's misconduct, all those conversations are supposed
to be confidential. So You know, unless the jurors want
to speak after the verdict is issued or after the trial,
usually we never really get to hear what goes on
in that room.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So now they're doing interview like all the other, which
obviously happened for women, I think, that are doing the
interviews afterwards.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
There was one male who came out recently this morning. But,
you know, that happens somewhat regularly in high profile cases.
But what's really unusual is to know that this debate
was going on while it was going on.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And so that's what the defense attorney was harping on
and why he wanted to immediately petition the Supreme Court
to try to basically force them into, you know, rendering
a verdict here, because I think he knew obviously it
was in his favor.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But, you know, that's that would be an extraordinary act.
It would be very, very rare for. um, a court
to basically force the jury to render a verdict here. Um,
you know, maybe there would be an argument to remove
that one juror and replace them with an alternate.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's what they were asking for. But the judge says,
I don't feel like it's my job to pull him
because he's not agreeing with you lately. That's what he said. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And so that's, that's a very sensitive subject, right? I mean,
which certainly open, um, if she was found not guilty
by reason of insanity, then open the appellate issue for
the prosecution to appeal.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And so judges are oftentimes looking at, you know, how
do I avoid getting overturned on appeal and basically finagling
a jury like that during deliberations when we know kind
of how the vote is going and pulling somebody who's,
you know, against the defense and try to plug in
somebody in favor of them.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Right. Could be looked at.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
As sort of, you know, misconduct or improper and, you know,
to kind of disturb those ongoing deliberations.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, so it's hung jury, which means she has to
be tried again.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
She doesn't have to be. The prosecution has the option
to try her again, you know, because double jeopardy does
not attach, but They could ultimately still reach a plea deal.
They could say, we don't want to spend the money
to try her again. I think they will try her again.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah. But they're not obligated to. They don't have to.
That's good to know. I didn't realize that. I thought
automatically you have to have another trial. So you don't
have to have another trial. Correct. Let's say you do
have another trial and it's another hung jury. Is it like, okay,
there's two hung juries. You're free to go? Or do
they just keep going? Just keep going.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Keep doing it over and over and over again. Until
there's a verdict, Double Jeopardy would not attach. So you
can keep trying them as many times as you want, essentially.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'll be damned. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I'm so glad I'm not on that jury. They came
out as insufferable to me.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
The women?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The three women that came out first. I'm like, God,
it would be so annoying to be in a room
with that. Now you know how your wife feels.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, exactly. I don't know, man. It's a weird thing.
I think if a dude.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I hate to be this guy because I'm lining up
with so many people that I hate. And that's super frustrating.
But I do believe if this was just a dude...
We would not be having the same problems that we're
having now that her, like her horoscope sign would not
be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
We wouldn't like, and I don't know, I don't know
right or wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I do think that like when you have them come
out and say, well, the prosecution just didn't, you know, they, they,
they just seemed like they were attacking her and not
getting her side of the story.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
And I'm like, that's not the job of the prosecution.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
I mean, there's plenty of guys that have gotten NGI though.
Not guilty by reason of insanity. That's not just for women.
This is just a high profile case.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, but for me, it's just like, this lady clearly
just killed three children from five to.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Like, newborn. The question is, was she insane by— was she
guilty by insanity? That's the question, and that's probably what
the doubt of that juror was. It wasn't if she
did it or not or if she meant to do it.
Was she insane while she was killed? I know, but
I put myself in this position because, like, I am—
Because you have insanity sometimes. Think about what you do
when you're insane, right?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I'm a rule follower, and I can, like— And my
superpower is I can have 11 people in a room
sit mad at me.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And if I believe what I believe in, I'm going
to stay that way. You're going to kill somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Amy, talk to me about the type of insanity that
she claimed that she had. I mean, I guess there
was proof that she had that insanity or is that debatable?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
They were saying that she was having voices that were
telling her to do these things.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
And medication, the certain medication made that happen. Was that
the argument?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I haven't been following it that closely.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I don't, I don't know all the ins and outs,
but basically they're doing, they're saying, okay, I was crazy
at this time and I, these voices told me to
do it. And that's how you get off on NGI
is that I was not in my right mind at
that moment.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
So that's what they're debating.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
From what I saw, like she was, she, she was
asking for help and wasn't getting the right help that
she wanted is what I saw. And then, and then
that she was taking certain medication for postpartum depression.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
They were saying it was PMDD and they were saying,
but also they were also said that she's left on
her own accord, didn't take the meds on her own accord.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So there is, you know, both sides.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And it's hard because again, I started in forensic mental
health when I first started and I saw people who
truly were out of their mind.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And could not be held accountable.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
When you see her now sitting there, it's hard to tell,
was this an episode or is she just using this
to get out of this?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
It's hard to tell.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Mo, how often do people use that as a defense?
I wasn't mentally in my right mind.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know the stats on it,
but it does come up fairly regularly because there is
a lot of mental health issues out there. And the
example they always give us in law school to kind
of put this in perspective for people is somebody in
their own mind, they think they're like swinging a golf club,
but really they're hitting somebody with a hammer.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So they don't actually know what they're doing. And there
can be more complex. That's a very rudimentary example. But
everybody's sort of uproar is obviously she killed these three kids,
and that's a horrible, horrible thing. But the question becomes–
oftentimes we disagree with the law. The law is what
the law is. We can disagree with it. But as
a juror, they're obligated to follow the law, and that's
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really what this case boils down to.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And speak to them, both of you. It's amazing to
me how because you would think that everybody would be
against her as she killed three kids. There's no question.
We don't we don't even believe in your crazy ideas
about your mental health. But that's not really what's happening. Many,
many women are supporting her and seem to understand. So
(09:39):
do you think and it's not usually guys. You don't
see a whole lot of guys on that team. It's
mostly women that are that are being empathetic to her.
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I mean, I don't really like to speculate getting into
other people's heads. I would just you know, purely say
from the legal standpoint, you know, these laws exist for
a reason.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And so you may disagree with them and people may
support her because maybe they they. feel empathy for her
situation or mental health, or maybe they've gone through that
or know somebody who's gone through it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The postpartum aspect of it is where a lot of
women can identify. That's where they're identifying. They have the
empathy because they've gone. Do you think that's what it is, Amy?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Well, think about it for men.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
When you think of a man and a crime, a passion,
or when you as men have been so angry you
couldn't help but punch a wall, you identify with that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Maybe the drywall should stop talking ass. Exactly.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
And so as a person that went through having a child,
I can identify with the insanity of motherhood.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I can totally identify with that.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
But as a mental health clinician, I also don't like
someone to use that to get out of something and
have responsibility.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I hate when people use their mental health excuses to.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Get out of something.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Like being late.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Right like we don't want to say that ryan's late
because he's a jerk we want to say he's late
because of his.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Adhd ryan's at least knows that he's late tries to
do it a lot of black women with postpartum they
ain't strangling their children one by one there are.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Though and like if i don't know enough about the
case to say either way i don't have a side
with this yeah but i do know that i have
had people that have truly had these issues where they're
not themselves and they're making choices they would never rationally make.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I will say this, and I probably shouldn't say this,
but I'm going to say it anyway. You won't say it.
You won't say it. Several months ago, somebody gave me
and left a bunch of chocolates at the house. And
it turned out I ate the chocolates, and they were mushrooms, right? Yeah. Okay,
and so in this weird dream I had.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Hey, buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Mo, you're not acting as his attorney here, right? No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
This is a true story, though. This is what will
be exhibit one when it all goes down. Everybody sitting here,
when it all goes down, we're all part of exhibit one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Go ahead, Russ. In this weird mushroom dream, in my mind,
everything I did, the opposite happened, right? So I had
to do what was opposite. So I'm laying next to
my wife, and I'm like, well, if you really love her,
you've got to kill her.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Don't put that on the radio, Russ.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's pretty meditative. I'm just saying, that's what went through
my mind. And I was able to, in this mushroom dream, go, wait, wait, wait,
that can't be right.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Therapist just told you don't don't continue with this and
this is like the third time you've told this.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Story but i can identify with someone being crazy enough
like because because in their mind they.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Think they're doing the right thing but you didn't act
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I did not no no and i never would we're
all getting we're all getting pulled into court guys so.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
What i'm saying is mushrooms and you probably might who
knows so don't do any more mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Exactly yeah yeah i threw all the candies in another
closet uh but um but um Yeah, but I could
see where if she's on enough drugs, she might have
thought that she was doing the right thing. And it
could be a mental breakdown situation.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
That's what they're trying to prove. And the thing is,
even if she gets NGI, she's not going to walk free.
They're going to have her in a hospital. So it's
not like, oh, I'm just off scot-free. Instead of going
into a prison, she would go into a hospital, which
is not a fun place.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Is that why they keep she's in a wheelchair the
whole time?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Is that just to make her look crazy? No, I mean,
she's paralyzed from, I think, what, the neck down? Oh,
I didn't know that. Yeah, she's fully paralyzed. How'd she
get paralyzed? I think after she killed her kids, she
jumped off a building or something.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh, wow. If I remember correctly. Okay, well, there you go.
She's crazy. Yeah. So, I mean. That was it? That
was the line? Please be crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Mo, can you stick around for another segment? I'm sorry.
I ate up your whole segment trying to figure out,
you know, about hung juries. What's that? Speaking of eating,
there's barbecue. Oh, well, here's what we're going to do.
We'll take a little mushroom. We're going to grab some
barbecue and mushrooms. And when we come back, we'll find
out what's going on this weekend for Mo for the weekend.
(14:00):
Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the match of the morning.
That's justcallmo.com. Mo DeWitt's in here with us. If you
get into an accident, no matter where it is, you know,
you get injured or whatever, injured on the go, just
call Mo. Or if you're in an accident, give Mo
a call. No charge for the phone call. And think
of Mo right away. He'll be glad to help you out.
Did you get... Did you get the hot barbecue sauce
(14:21):
or did you get the.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I got the regular one, but I got these spicy
pickles that are kicking my butt.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Whatever I got hold of is still.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, shout out to Get In Your Belly Spicy Barbecue.
That was one of the featured barbecue sauces that's out
there out back. Just to give you guys an idea
for the pitmasters and pourers vendors, we got Knucklehead's Barbecue,
Just Smoke It Yo, Rollin' and Smokin', Jimmy Bear's Barbecue.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Jimmy Bear's.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Ooh.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
TBG Barbecue, Meatheads Barbecue, and Hertz Barbecue. So that's representing
the barbecue side. And then we also have Mad Hombre
Hot Sauce. Our man, Mad Hombre Hot Sauce is going
to be out there. He's hooked us up with hot
sauce in the past. And then these guys were the
spicy barbecue and the regular barbecue. were the ones that
were featured today with what they get.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, the sauces are bottled in Mount Dora. They got
a good spicy sauce to them. That's some of the
best pulled pork I've really had in a while.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Really good. And by the way, that's the Pitmasters and Pourers.
It's this Saturday. We'll be out there. Doors open at 3.
There is no charge. It's free attendance. And like I said,
they got live music. No, no, no. Naomi Bradshaw and
the dot coms are performing live. You got Thompson Square.
You're going to have college football on this huge screen
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where you can sit and drink beer and watch the game.
Professional wrestling. You got MWO wrestling starting at four. So
that's a bell time at four. So show up and
you can see it. And all of it is no charge.
And a bunch of different barbecue place. How many? Like
six or seven?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You said what we got here?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
A bunch. Always great barbecue. I go to Jimmy Bear's
usually because we've met him and know him. He's a
nice guy. Yeah, we got about eight. Oh, eight. There
you go.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Mo, have you done a barbecue sauce? I know the
hot sauce is your thing, but have you done a
barbecue sauce?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
We've never done a barbecue sauce. I've toyed around with
the idea. We just got to find somebody who's really
good at making it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Make a good one. You like hot.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Theoretically speaking, I like the idea of hot, but I
can't take too.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Much of it. I'm with you, but I'm not that
much into super hot.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Oh, but the spicy barbecue sauce was right on point.
It gives you that nice little pop, but it doesn't
take you down. I love the hot barbecue sauce. I'm
still being a baby then. Because it's still getting me.
What else happened on the weekend, Angel?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
The stuff for the events for the weekend is brought
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And it's a new favorite news site for Central Florida
headlines curated by Brendan O'Connor covering from everything of Windermere
to the Space Coast and everything in between. So like
the aforementioned Pitmos and Pores, that's 3 to 9 p.m.
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at Elizabeth Evans Park, Mount Dora. We're all going to
be out there. You heard the food. They're also going
to have a drone show and musical entertainment as well.
One of the things that's happening on Saturday, Russ, Early Saturday.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Andrew got that hot throat right now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It caught me. We have the Lake Ridge Winery and
Vineyards Farmer's Market. Oh, really? Yeah, that's going down 9 a.m.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
To 3 p.m.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Have you ever been out to Lake Ridge Winery? Have
you ever been out there?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
I've been to Lake Ridge.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's pretty cool. They've got music and stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
They've got hills. They have some Florida hills out there.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, I like it out there. And then also on
8 a.m. start through the.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Day, the Fall Baldwin Park Porch Sale. And that's happening
in Baldwin Park 8 a.m. through, I guess, the rest
of the day. And it's residents selling their items on
the front porch driveways throughout the neighborhood. This sounds like
Russ's nightmare. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
The hub of that is.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Going to be at the Grace Hopper Hall at Corrine
Commons will be the focal point of that. And then
this was interesting. Albin Polasek Museum. It's Chech Heritage Day,
and that's going to be Sunday, September the 13th.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
And free admission all day long with traditional music, crafts, snacks,
and storytelling. And so that's going to be Sunday, September
the 13th.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Love some good storytelling. Yeah. What's a good Chech snack?
I don't know. Or Chech food?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't know much about it. Rogies?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Isn't that a Czech food?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I thought that was Polish. I could be wrong. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We should go to the Czech Fest. We should check
the Czech Fest out. They like a chocolate-covered wafer, according to.
And then we got a fedorki. Meat-heavy dishes, rich sauces,
and comfort dumplings.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I like meat-heavy dishes.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I like comfort dumplings.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
That's the name of my band. And those are the
events this weekend, Russ. Hey, Mo, got a question for you. Yeah. Okay,
I'm in a restaurant, okay, and I see some crazy
guy comes in, and he pulls a gun, and he's
going to shoot his ex-wife, but the safety's on, so
he doesn't shoot her. So I want to save the day,
and I tackle the guy, but I go to beat
the snot out of him. I'm hitting him, I'm punching him,
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and really mess him up.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
And I say, you don't mess with Batman.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Can I be sued?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So you have the right to defend third parties just
like in self-defense. What if I go overboard, though? As
long as you use a reasonable degree of force, given
the circumstances, then typically you cannot be sued. Now, in
that situation, even if the person tried to sue, if
they're trying to kill their wife or ex-wife, they're probably
not going to be too sympathetic to a jury where
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you probably wouldn't be too worried about it. But from
a legal standpoint, purely speaking, you'd have to really go
overboard beyond where there was potentially any threat at that
point in time.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah he got a gun can i use because isn't
that how self-defense works you can use up to and
equal to the force used against you so if a
guy comes at me with fists i can't come with
a gun so it's.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Not quite that simple it's a reasonable degree of force
is basically what.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
The law says so it was no yes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
It's hard to speak for no i'm just asking because
that's just what i've i've always assumed you know.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a it's a reasonable assumption,
but then, you know, there could be different circumstances where,
you know, based on based on size, based on strength
of the person's a professional MMA fighter and you're just,
you know, a little 120 pound dude, then you might
have to use more force than just your fists. So
it's not just a, you know. fist-versus-fist, knife-versus-knife, gun-versus-gun scenario.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
How does it work? Okay, because a lot of farts... Farts? Whoa!
Speaker 1 (20:39):
A lot of farts, what?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
It was going to say fight start. Silent but deadly farts.
It was going to say fight start, and it came
out farts, okay? But a lot of farts....
Speaker 3 (20:50):
A lot of fights start by the other guy going, hey,
you got to hit me first.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You want to do this? You got to hit me first.
You can't sue me because then you've hit me first.
Is that how real is that? Again, it depends on
the scenario. So, you know, oftentimes with those scenarios, there
could be a reasonable belief that you're in imminent danger
of great bodily harm. And so it's going to depend
on what said the size, the how close you are
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to each other.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
But it's just because someone says to.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Hit you or hit them, typically that's not an open
invitation to just beat the snot out of them either.
So that's not– consent doesn't oftentimes hold up. But again,
it depends on the situation. So if someone hits you,
you can hit back? If it's a reasonable degree of
force to defend yourself. Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And what if they spit on you? If they spit
on you, can you hit them?
Speaker 5 (21:40):
That's an assault.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, it's a battery.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So if you spit on somebody, it's a battery in
the state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Corrected again.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But again, if they don't pose any further reasonable degree
of threat at that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Point in time. So you just spit back in there.
They spit at you, you spit at them.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We're just spitting at each other.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But even if you spit back at them, then you
could be committing a battery as well if there's no
imminent threat. So if they spit and then turn and
walk away, now they've committed a battery, but the threat
is over. So you have no right to retaliate at
that point.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
So the only thing legally you can do, if someone
spits in your face, you can spit right back at them.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Okay. Moe did not say yes to that.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
No, you cannot. Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Thanks, Moe. It's funny how you tried to reframe the question.
He told you no three times. I know. I tried
to get it out of him.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
But I really want to spit on someone. I like
spitting on people. What if he spits in my mouth
and I like it? Yeah, Moe.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think that's more of an Amy question. Yeah, really.
So what you got going on this weekend? Anything?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think I'm just hanging out here.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right here? Right here.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
He's going to be partying during what the hell is
Angel listening to?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's calling it a weekend. He's like, I'm here. Got
some barbecue.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, listen, it's Mo for the weekend. If you're injured
on the go, just call Mo. It's justcallmo.com. Thank you, Mo.
I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. All right, don't go anywhere.
We got more with Amy, the counselor. I got more
questions for her because we have all kinds of problems.
Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Monsters of the Morning.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
4.1.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It is weekend Eve. And this weekend, make sure you
join us out at... uh mount door for uh pit
masters and horrors live in mount door what's up i'm
russ with angel ryan and amy the counselor and with
us i got a bunch of some days like i
don't have enough stuff to talk about and some days
i have too much today's a too much thing and
i want to talk about this ai killing the world
(23:31):
thing but but we'll get to that maybe a little
bit because i got a counselor here so these uh
these things that everybody can really identify with are more
fun to talk about uh to be honest with you
so amy here amy.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well you're telling me fun topics are better than the
inevitable robots crushing.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Us yeah we got a lot of time to talk
about that not much.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
We only have like 10 years i know but.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We got amy here so i want to go over
a couple things so the okay i think a lot
of people have a problem with this but I might
not be right because I'm stuck in my head and
in my world. So maybe it's not a lot of
people have a problem with it. Maybe it's just Russ does.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
It's Russ, the Russ problem.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Look at me growing.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Look at you growing.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right, what we do every day. Right, right, right. But
the power of saying no.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, right, right. Because as a younger man, even as
I got older, to say no to people was kind
of hard for me. You know, like I kind of
say yes to almost everything. And then you get to
the point where, you know... you can say no and
you sort of enjoy it a little bit. And I
say that because I had a recent thing and I'm,
he's probably listening. So I don't want you to be
(24:37):
too mad, but it just, you know, someone asked me
to do something that I just wouldn't even do for myself.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And, and I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm not
doing that. You know, it was, it was someone asked
me for a favor and it's something I just, you know,
it's not this, it's not exactly this, but let's say
like my friend, Bo used to ask me to go
buy Copenhagen for him.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, I don't want anyone thinking I'm buying Copenhagen. I
ain't buying Copenhagen for you. I say no to that, right?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
What's Copenhagen?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Copenhagen is dip, right?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Was he underage or something?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, I just don't like it.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Hey, is that Russ Rawlings buying dip over there? Oh
my God.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh my God, my eight-year-old son's here.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Don't look.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
He's your hero.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Or I won't buy cigarettes for people. Like, I'm not smoking. No,
that's you. Like, you know, so this particular person. This
particular person asked me to go do something and went
to Haven for him. And I'm like, and I just
said no.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then when I hung up, I'm like, I really
felt good to say no, because I normally would just
say yes to everything. Just ask Russ to buy Rum Runner,
see what he says.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
What's he say? Is he a yes?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I buy them all, yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Even though it's just as bad?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
A rum runner is just as bad, if not worse,
as Copenhagen, right?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, but I believe in a rum runner.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yes!
Speaker 1 (25:46):
He's a Fairweather fan again.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
He's a Fairweather fan.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yes!
Speaker 5 (25:51):
So if you like it, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I still do a monster shirt. I believe.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I believe in rum runners.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah. He sounded like Martin Luther King, too. He's like,
I believe in rum runners.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
That is the thing that Russ has said with the
most conviction in about six months.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I had a dream that there would be rum runners
and I would be on mushrooms and I would want
to kill my wife.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Anyway, where was I going with that? I felt good
saying no. Oh, felt good saying no. But as I
was thinking about talking to you about this, I'm like, well,
maybe this is just a problem I have. So do
you find most people have problems saying no to things
or is that just... a particular personality type.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
A personality type for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
See, I assumed everyone had a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It's definitely a people pleasing type personality. And when you
used to say no, how would it make you feel?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
When did you say yes?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
No, before.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Let's go back even before that. You used to not
feel comfortable saying no to people, right? Correct.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Why?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
What would happen if you said no to somebody?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, I felt like they were disappointed in me or,
you know, like, oh, you're not a real friend or
something like that.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And so that's kind of bad boundaries, right? Which I
know sometimes there's a history of bad boundaries with the monsters, maybe.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
And so– Maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
If you even knew. That's a whole other hour or two.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
A whole other candy closet for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Let's do a show about all the boundaries that we've crossed.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Have Mo here while you do it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
We're going to have to write legal as we go.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
You might need to.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
And so if you were raised where like you were
praised for doing what someone wants you to do, it's
hard to get out of that.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
My mom always says you were raised on praise.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
And so you were always kind of given the apple
or given the carrot and that made you feel good.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In his case, it was cupcakes.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Cupcakes, mushrooms, whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
And so you were raised like that.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
So now you have to go against your program to say, no,
this isn't good for them or me. saying yes to anybody,
especially as a parent. Now I can't say yes to
my kid all the time, even though I want to,
cause I love my kids so much.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
That's not good for them.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
All the time is bad.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It felt good to say no. The other day though.
And I know this person was probably disappointed, but I
was like.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know, is it a boundaries thing? Yeah, it was
a Boundaries thing.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's like, I already had plans on Saturday and someone
asked me to go pick something up for him, but
they were going to buy something on Facebook Marketplace. And like,
can you go pick this up? It's in Winter Haven.
Were you getting Facebook enchiladas out in Winter Haven?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was something else. And he was like, go pick
it up and I'll Venmo you the money. And I'm like,
I wouldn't even do that. I don't like to go
to people's houses that I don't know for me. Why
would you ask me to do that? Yeah, Russ wouldn't
go pick up the lid of mushrooms. You live right there.
You're going to see this guy eventually. Why can't you
(28:43):
just go over there and do it? Because I don't
want to go to some random person's house. I don't
want to go buy this thing.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Could you imagine?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm just chilling and then my favorite radio show host
shows up.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
At my house like, wow, are you Russ Rollins?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Do you watch some Copenhagen? I hear you have a
Copenhagen problem.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I hear you like tobacco. No, and it's good. You're
choosing yourself.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Like when you're a people pleaser, you're abandoning yourself all
the time at the sake of others.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
When you start setting boundaries, you're choosing yourself. You're standing
up for yourself. You're saying, you know, my time is valuable.
that doesn't mean you're never going to say yes again
but you're actually putting that uh that weight on there
if it's something that you're going.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
To do choose life so angel do you ever have
you ever had a problem saying no i am the
worst at saying that so you say no no problem
uh no no no i am the worst at saying
it so i.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
So i get myself bad too yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I get into really really really really bad spots because
i want to accommodate and i think that i can
uh handle everything and so i yes i say yes
to stuff all the time we should say no i
should say no or the thing that i've learned this
is the this is the thing that i've learned that's
helped me the best uh in recent times and then
when i say recent i'm talking like in the last
(29:53):
six months is like i will Say no to you.
You asked me to say that. I'll say no to you.
I'm saying no to you right now, but please give
me time to revisit this.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh, okay. You know what I mean? But right now,
off rip, no.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You know what I mean? How long did it take
you to get to the point to be able to
say that? To say no? You still can't do it. Yeah,
just like six months ago. And Ryan's right. I still
get myself into jams because I want to.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Or pickles.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, or pickles. Because I don't want... And like Amy said,
it's the people-pleasing part of it and whatever and the
nature of what we do and that you want to
be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Oh, I've seen you do that. Yeah, I've seen you
do that with listeners and stuff. And I've been like, Angel,
you should have just told them no. And you'll try
to get them tickets or you'll do things. Yeah, you
do do that.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Do you know why, Angel?
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Do you know where yours comes from? Like why you're
like that?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
This is me saying no to you.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Brian, how about you? Don't say no when it comes
to emotions.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know where.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
That's a good one, because I don't know where... You
know what? If I had to guess, it's this. Being
the new kid, always, at the new school and everything,
and I always wanted to be accepted, and I always
wanted to be part of.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Of like the little in crowd or the little in clique.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Never had that experience.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Never had that until I was older playing basketball. It
was probably the first time where I was accepted in
the inner clique kind of thing. So I was constantly made,
you know, teased and made fun of and, you know,
angel hair food cake.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Right. Which is the worst cut.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's not even a good one.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
It's the worst.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Dummies i hate all y'all idiots jerks but i think
it comes from their aim if i had to if
i had to guess.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That makes sense right how about you ever had problems
saying no no no yeah you've always you should not
you're not really a people pleaser no yeah i'm just
gonna leave that there I.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Don't think so.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
There's probably things that you do that you wish you
didn't have to do.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
He's lying. I don't believe him. I've seen him be
nice when he doesn't want to be nice.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I didn't say be nice. I just wanted to say
no for comedy there. If somebody asks you to do
something and you really don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
That's what I learned in this job. People take advantage.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Of me.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I was a say yes to everything person, and then
I got very taken advantage of by undisclosed people, and
it felt really bad.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It never stopped.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It never stopped taking me in. I just had some boundaries.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
No, you got to set boundaries. I didn't have any boundaries. Actually,
before I had this show, I had no boundaries. Very
bad at that. And I would always say yes to everything,
whether it was this show, Open Mic'ers, In.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Stand-up comedy, you have to set boundaries or people will take, take, take.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
So now I say no and I like saying no.
You have to.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I know.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Isn't that weird? I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah. I actually, though I know I disappointed this person,
I was proud of myself for saying no. Yeah. Because
I had plans with my wife. It's not something I
wanted to do. I just didn't want to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And I've started booking comedy shows last like five or
six years and people are like, you've changed. I'm like, no,
I just can't always give you what you want when
you want it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You can't do it. People will take from you. That's
the problem. And it's not good.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You give a mouse a cookie, and it's going to
want to peg you. Which you're going to love. But
sometimes you've got to say no. But sometimes you've got
to say yes.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Sometimes the no gets you the yes. I mean, sometimes
the yes... Gets you the cookie. Gets you the cookie.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
What kind of mouses are you hanging out with, bro?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Let's just say I got a mascot costume in my house.
A little leather mouse.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
A little.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
No but like and there's been times where like i
didn't say no and it has worked out for the
better right but like for the most part i do
find that people will take advantage of you if you
don't set boundaries.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
There's probably people that you can't say no to is
there anybody that you can't say no to in your life.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Uh my wife yeah because she has those big doughy
eyes and i love her so much My kids.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You know, though, here's the thing. Here's what I've learned.
The people that really love you won't ask you to
do things that you have to say no to. Bo
would never ask me to do anything that he knows
I'm going to say no to. He didn't ask me
for money. There are things he knows I won't do.
So he knows the same thing with Mary Ellen. Like
they they know the things not to ask me.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That make sense?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But when someone asks me something like, you don't know
that I don't want to do that. Like, what's wrong
with you?
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Yeah, that's a great point. That's a really good point.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
And surrounding, you have to find people that know you
well enough to not want to take from you or make.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Your life worse. I think in person, like I have,
I do have a harder problem doing it in person.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Like, uh, yeah, it's a hard problem. I have a
hard problem.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
If I asked for $ 10 right now, what would you say?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
But if you ask me in text, like say we're
talking back and forth, right? And it's going good. We're having,
we're joking back, bing, bing, bing, bing, back and forth,
back and forth. And you're like, Hey, can you do this?
Then I won't talk to you for two years. I'll
just not answer your text and ghost you forever. I've
got friends left on red. But that's worse.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Because that's almost worse though, because then you're playing that
Russian roulette kind of game of, You might catch them outside.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
You might run into that person in real life.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And I'll be like, Oh dude, I just don't answer
my text. And like, Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It's so funny that you say that when you said
that it just sparked a memory that I had forgotten about,
but I had not, not the wrestling coach that you
guys have met, not Robert Jones, my junior high. my
high school wrestling coach. And I don't even know if
he's still alive, but the last time I talked to him,
he calls me and asked me to borrow like $ 5, 000.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
And I'm like, well, let me call you back.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And I had not talked to him since because I
was offended that he would ask me.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Russ, can I borrow 5K?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Can we all borrow?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So you say no. This is where it begins.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I can't look at him.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm looking around the room. That's part of the gag, Russ.
Say no. This is an exercise. If you really need it.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
He would give it to you. I think if you
really asked, he would give it to you. Because he
would know you would really need it.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
But like he said, there has got to be a
long litany of bad decisions that I've made that I'm coming.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
To Russ's doorstep.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah. And go, yo, my guy, can I get 5K?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, in the right circumstances, I probably would. No,
that's what I'm saying. Like, legitimate. Like, you know, if
I'm out there doing dumb ass, then I'm out there
doing dumb ass. All right, so, Amy, we're going to
come back, and then we got the king of Denmark.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And then I want to ask you about.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Having hard conversations with people. It's kind of like saying no.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But we can talk about that. And then also AI.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
You're saying difficult conversations. Difficult conversations with people.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Not hard. Difficult. Difficult conversations with people where you know
you've got to tell them.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Amy, what are you?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Amy.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I'm learning a lot about Angel today. It's a lot
of black or white thinking with Angel. You have to
say it the perfect way or he's not going.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
To listen to you. Russ is always thinking about blacks.
It's a Gemini thing. Sometimes it comes out really.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I'm a Gemini too.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, sometimes it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Sometimes it's really pronounced and other times it's not.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I've learned now that I work in the same room
with Angel sometimes. I have to edit the show. We're
here for like an hour afterwards. Angel doesn't realize that
he says his inner voice out loud.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Like Angel, like something will happen and Angel will just
be like. And I'm like, dude, I think he meant
to say that in his head.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And he did not. He said it out loud to himself.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
We got to take a break. When we come back,
it's time for the King of Denmark, Ryan Holmes, to
make his daily proclamation. You're listening to the March of
the Morning. Join us.
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