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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Crossroads. I'm Chris Mitchell, to your host, and
in the next half hour we're going to talk to
Katie Devilights. She's the new executive director at the Adult
Care Center in Winchester. Of course, we've done some work
with the Adult Care Center for many years, and we're
so excited to have you on this show. Katie. Welcome.
Did I get your title right?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
You did.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, welcome to Crossroads. So good to have you with us.
We're looking forward to finding out about the Adult Care Center,
what it's like now, and what you do. So let's
start with you. You're brand new to the job, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, at this point, I guess I would say I'm
three years into it, but it feels pretty new. I'm
still learning new stuff every day.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Oh okay, gotcha. For whatever reason I thought you were
brand new. Oh well, good, you're old. You're old hat
at this. Then you can tell us all about what's
going on. So when I got let's start with you.
Where did you come from and how did you get
involved with the Adult Care Center.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So I got involved with the Adult Care Center as
a student at Shenanoah University back in twenty sixteen. I
needed a few extra credits before I could graduate, so
one of my professors got me a student internship here,
and like I said, that was back in twenty sixteen.
I graduated college, moved away for a little bit so
(01:22):
I could get married and things like that, And in
twenty eighteen, my husband and I moved back to Winchester,
and the original executive director, Jane buck Meek, reached out
to me when she heard that I had moved back
because we had kept in touch, and she offered me
a position as activity assistant and then I climbed the
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rinks from there.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Jean was so lovely. We used to talk to her
a lot and she's just a sweet person. So glad
that you were handpicked by her to join this staff.
That's really exciting. So let's talk about maybe some actually,
I know we've got a lot of folks here in
the valley who are new to the area might not
(02:04):
know what the Adult Care Center is. The name is
sort of explanatory, but not completely tell us about what
the adult care center is and who you help out.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So we're a nonprofit daycare program for adults who basically
have physical or cognitive challenges that are caused by Alzheimer's disease, stroke, dementia,
or any other condition that might require supervision and assistance.
So we are a place essentially if you think of
(02:38):
a daycare, it is what it sounds like. But we're
serving the older population. We're giving them somewhere to go
during the day where they can be around other people.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They can be kept busy.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
With exercise and games and music, all while they're family
members or caregivers go to work.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Or go to their own doctor's appointments or things like that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And then in the evenings they get to go home
and be with their family and be in that familiar environment.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I can't tell you how wonderful I think what you
do is. So I will say that my mother has
Alzheimer's and as a family, we've been dealing with it
for a while. It's getting you know, it doesn't get better.
It goes in one direction. Everyone knows, I think. But
they live in Hampton Roads, and what I would give
if they were just living here, because having something like
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adult care center would be a miracle. Really, a lot
of folks don't realize. I think how much toll is
taken on the care providers. If they're being provided for
at the home. So when you have folks come in,
I can ask questions, I guess a little more pointedly,
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what do you do if if, well, say, someone who's
coming in may have a stubborn streak, and I know
that you know what I mean, but you know, sometimes
folks with Alzheimer's get something stuck in their head and
they get stubborn about it and they don't bend easily,
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and that's not the way they were before they had Alzheimer's.
But surprise, right, how do you cope with things like that?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So, depending on what it is they're stuck on, we
typically try to meet them where they are. And it's
actually a technique that's called validation therapy. So if somebody
is you know, say we have a participant come in
and they are just convinced that they're standing at the
front door and they need to go home now because
my mom is waiting for me to help her cook dinner,
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and she can't cook dinner.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Until I'm home with her.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Will instead of trying to do the whole like no,
your mom's actually passed away data and doing that, because
that's just going to confuse them more, We'll typically meet
them where they are in time to say, Oh, tell
me a little bit more about your mom. What do
you guys usually cook together? Do you know what she
was planning on making for dinner tonight? And we try
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to redirect and distract them that way, and so what,
well do you know? You keep going with that conversation.
If we can start to maybe walk them away from
wherever in the center it is that they're at and
kind of take them to a separate location, that can also.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Help distract. I guess distraction is really the big thing.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So meeting them where they are going, with what they're saying,
asking those questions to make them feel validated and make
them know that we hear what they're saying, that we're
not just trying to ignore them and correct them. It's
I hear what you're saying. I'm interested, and I care
about what you're saying, and I want to know more
about it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, that's fast. We have used that as well with
my mother. My mother is obsessed with We were fortunate
enough to buy a house that's right next door to
my where my grandmother was, where she grew up. My mother,
and so she's obsessket with going next door to visit
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with her mother, and you know, her mother's long long gone,
and we don't tell her that, but we do try
to distract her. Well, you know, they're at church right now.
She went to visit, you know, Aunt Fritzy. She'll be
back in a while, and nothing seems to really calm
her down. We can distract her for a little while.
(06:26):
Do you find that your distracted techniques are are just
something that you have to keep doing or do most
patients give it up and move on to whatever the
therapy is, the art therapy or whatever you might be doing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
It all depends on the day the person is having.
Sometimes it can work really well and we're like, great,
this technique worked, and we'll go around and tell the
rest of the staff like, okay, this is the like
this is the story or this is the line that
I told them this time that worked and you could
try it the very next day and they're not going
to care whatsoever. So sometimes, you know, sometimes it does work,
(07:02):
and then sometimes you just got to and you can
distract them and get them over to the activity that's
going on easily, and sometimes you just got to stand
there and be prepared that that's what your day is
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Katy, you have just described to this person. You've just
described exactly what my family goes through day after day
after day for the past several years now. And it
certainly is not just me. It's a lot of families,
and we've been concentrating on Alzheimer's, but you've got a
lot of other folks who come visit you. And if
you're just joining us, by the way, talking with Katie
(07:35):
Devlights and she's the executive director of the Adult Care
Center in Winchester, let's go back real quick. I got
us distracted. I got off on a tangent. But let's
go back to the basics. The Adult Care Center. It's
in Winchester. It's on Braddock Street. It's still there, right
and Braddick Street Church.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
We are actually we moved into a building on North Cameronstroke.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Man, I'm so out of it. Okay, So you're on
North Cameron Street whereabouts.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We are right down the street from the our Health
campus and directly across from the Laurel Center and where
those train tracks are.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Perfect, perfect, easy. That's a great location for you guys
to be in. So let's talk about if someone you
were saying earlier. You have folks come in, and we've
got dementia patients that come in. Who else comes in
to the adult care center.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
We've had participants who have come in before who are
recovering from a stroke, and so that usually takes a
lot more. They require a lot more physical help, especially
if they still have like weakness on one side of
the body or any you know, some people come out
of a stroke with some sort of a cognitive deficit,
so we step into help there. We also have a
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few participants who are on the younger adult sides, probably
in their like forties or fifties, but they have intellectual disabilities.
So again it's not typically what we used to which,
as you said, was the Alzheimer's and dementia, but we
still provide a place for them to be able to
come if they're not able to be left home alone
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by themselves during the day. And then we've also got,
you know, our few participants that come in who don't
have any sort of a diagnosis. They're just they live
by themselves or they live with their kids, and the
kids are still working full time and so they want
something to do during the day, so they're not just sitting.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
At home by themselves because it does it.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
The older population, we can see loneliness happening a lot,
and so we're also just trying to help full in
that gap there.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And it's brilliant, it's brilliant that you do that. What
is the I don't want to say population, but how
many we call them clients do you serve from? What
do we call the folks who come to visit you?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Clients or participants?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
All right? How many do you have typically during a.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Day, typically during a day? Right now, we're actually on
the lower end of our census where we have maybe
eleven to twelve participants a day, but we are we're
currently accepting new applicants. We're really trying to get our
numbers back up.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
And let me ask you this too. How much does
it cost for someone to if they've got a loved
one that they could truly use the adult care center
just as a respite for themselves to go, like you
were saying, to go to the doctor or to run business.
How much would that be?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
So that depends on how many days a week someone comes.
So if a participant comes five days a week, so
that's Monday through Friday, it would be sixty one dollars
per day.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
If they do.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Three to four days a week at sixty three dollars
per day, and if they come two days a week,
which is the minimum that we offer, that would be
sixty five dollars per day.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And what does the day look like? What time do
they arrive?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
They can arrive anytime after seven thirty and they just
have to be picked up by five thirty in the evening.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Wow, and can you walk us? Can you walk us through?
What is there such a thing as a typical day?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, what.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We always hope for a typical day.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Whether or not that actually exists has yet to be determined. Typically,
so seven thirty the doors open and will do. That's
usually just kind of like our coffee hour, So we
make a nice pot of coffee for all of our
early risers. They come in, we give them the coffee,
and they'll maybe look at a magazine or we have
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some people that like to look at the newspapers. We
have a gentleman who really likes to do puzzles, so
we always put a puzzle out for him. And other
than that, it's just kind of conversation happening between the
staff and the participants at that point, and then at
nine o'clock we start serving our morning snack and that
could be anything from pancakes to yogurt apples and peanut
(12:19):
butter dip has been a really popular thing here the
last few weeks that they've liked, so.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We do that.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Our activities start at ten o'clock and again that could
be exercise with some two pound weights, or it might
be floor cycles. We do music therapy, We have art expression.
We do a lot of word games. They're really into
words scrambles and crossword puzzles right now. Oh great, Yeah,
(12:46):
So we do a lot of those, and then activities
will go from ten to eleven and then eleven to
like eleven fifty ish forty five fifty ish is the
second activity, and then from there we start getting ready
for our lunch hour, and so lunch goes from twelve
to one. Our meals are catered by a company called
Mom's Meals, which I highly recommend for anybody who you know,
(13:12):
even if you don't come to the adult care center,
if you have a loved one living at home with you,
Mom's Meals is great and that we can we can
set what our meals are going to be. So we
can make our entire meal menu, but we can also
cater it to a person's particular like diet needs.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, So we have somebody who can only eat puraid foods,
and so when we place our lunch order every week,
we can make sure that she gets to eat the
same food as everybody else, but they serve it already
purade for her. Or if somebody's on a diabetic diet,
or you know, somebody's gluten free, things like that, we
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can completely tailor it to the participant and what their
needs are.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
That is fantastic. I was going to ask you about that.
So we're up to lunchtime now and that's terrific. So
far we've been busy. What else? What else do they
do to stay busy and vital?
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Speaker 3 (15:13):
So from one so lunch is typically twelve to one,
one to two, we have our what's called the rest hour.
So we have a few participants who will go into
uh some recliners or couches and they like to take
a little bit of a nap during the day. And
for the ones that don't, that's when we typically do
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like what we call a small group activity. So sometimes
we'll get the iPads out and there's a bowling game
that they do on the iPads that they like to
play together. Jenga has been really popular lately. We push
all the tables together and we have all these Djenga
blocks we do those. That's been a really popular one.
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I mean, it can really be anything. We typically take
it off of kind of our activity department. We'll see
what kind of mood everybody's in, if it seems like
they're in a mood to just kind of do like
a little conversation at the table, or if they seem
like they really need to be going. And then obviously
we can't do it right now because it's been so
(16:16):
hot out, but when the weather is nice and a
little bit cooler, we do try to go on walks outside. Wow,
So if one staff member will take one or two
people out at a time and go on a little
walk around the block, or we take rocking chairs out
front and we'll all just sit out front in the
rocking chairs and we'll have some music playing while we
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do that, and that's always really fun.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So that is really a lot that you're able to do.
What I'm noticing. What I'm noticing is flexibility is like
your keyword.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
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Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yes, I'm really impressed by other you know, I really
love that you take the tone of the crowd. You know,
take the temperature. Here's what we're going to do next.
Here's what we're going to do next. Right, That's that's
really remarkable, and it's so much better than staying rigid
to a certain structure that you planned out. Well, that
(17:08):
plan is not working, toss that out and let's let's flex.
We'll pivot. That's a terrific thing to do, especially when
you're talking about the specific types of challenges that you've gotten.
Let's talk about challenges. Are what are your challenges?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I think? I mean right now, definitely one of our
challenges would be space. We're a little bit cramped where
we're at. We are hoping in a few years to
have a new building. It's going to be an inter
generational center. But yeah, right now, the challenges are probably
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just kind of being cramped. And then also with in
terms of the activities, there's a lot that we do
when we stay busy, but having such a low sensus
sometimes makes it harder to get the part participants engaged.
You know, typically the bigger a crowd you have, the
more answers you're going to get for things, or the
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more input things like that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So do you do music therapy or art therapy, tell
us about it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yes, So for music therapy, we actually have our activity director.
Her name is Whitney Land and she is also a
Shenandoah University graduate. She has a master's degree in music therapy.
So she will bring in she plays guitar for the
participants and she'll sing with them for that. She's also
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got we've got quite a few drums here, and she'll
put all the drums out for everybody, and they're the
big ones that you know, set between your legs while
you're sitting in a chair, and she'll do call and
response stuff with them. So she'll play a beat on
the drum and then she'll have them repeat it back
to her, or she'll just play her guitar and she
lets every buddy do a free for all and they
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just bang.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Away however they want.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
She does karaoke with them, so she'll get a microphone
out and you know, help them with singing their favorite songs.
She does chimes with them, where everybody gets their own
instrument and she I don't know how she memorizes the
sheet music that she does, and she'll point to them
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and have them play, you know, a song that they
all know, so like amazing Grace, Jesus loves me, things
like that that are all familiar to them. She does
that with them. And then actually on Wednesdays, what I
think is one of the coolest programs that we have
right now is on Wednesday mornings, we partner with Fremont
Street Nursery and they bring their four and five year
(19:49):
old class to the center for an hour and we
do our music program with them. So the kids come
in and they get paired up with one of our
participants and we call them their grand friends.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh my gosh, I love that. I love that. That's true.
How does it go over?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It goes over fantastic. It's I can't tell you how
many times I've gone out onto the floor while they're
doing that, and it's just seeing the participants and the
kids just holding hands and they're dancing together and they're
singing and giving hugs and doing all that, And like
I have the amount of times that it brings tears
(20:27):
to my eyes when I go out there. It's just
it's such a beautiful thing and it's so cool to see,
and the participants will talk about it the rest of
the day about do you remember when those cute little
kids came in and it just it makes their whole day.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, you make it. You get me in tears just
thinking about it, because because it is hard to find
joy all the time if you have Alzheimer's, you know,
it's it's hard for them to be in a place
of joy. Often some I'm sure it's a lot easier
than others. But to give them a moment of joy
like that, Wow, that is just incredibly special, and I
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think it does something great for the kids too.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Write just yeah, absolutely, because it's great. I mean, there's
so much research and studies out there and things like
that that show how beneficial it can be for both
the older population and the younger population to be you know,
brought up around people who are different than them, who
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have different life experiences. And that's where I had mentioned
earlier to you about we're hoping to get a new
building in the next few years that'll be an intergenerational building.
And so what that is actually going to be is
the hope is that we are going to have a
brand new building that is built just for us, and
it'll be half adult daycare, and then there will actually
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be a preschool in the same building as us, so
we won't be limited to just one hour, one time
a week. We'll be able to do intergenerational activities more often.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Wow, that isn't that's a really great idea. I just
think that's what a great dream that is. I'd love
to see it locome reality. So wow, you guys are reaching.
That's amazing. I think that's terrific. So are you in
the planning stages of that or fundraising or.
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Speaker 3 (23:23):
So we're in the planning stages of it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So what it's.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Looking like, I don't know if anybody has been over,
you know, driving down Fox Drive where Westminster, Canterbury is
kind of doing some construction work and putting up their villas.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh a little bit, Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, so we are actually going to be there. Part
of what they're building is gonna be is gonna be
the new intergenerational building for us. So we're kind of
partnering with them.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
In terms of they're.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Gonna actually put the building up, but then we'll rent
the space from them. Oh man, so that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So that's how that's the plan so far.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What a terrific plan. I think that's fantastic. So when
when I think about nonprofits, I think about all the
volunteer work that goes into it, and because you can't
do anything without volunteers, and I think you would have
very special volunteers on your staff or in your collection
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of volunteers. If somebody's interested in doing this, what should
they know? What would be the first thing you tell
somebody who says, you know, I might be curious in
doing that. I wonder if that would be good for me.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
If somebody is curious about volunteering, I would say to
give us a call, or to just come on in.
Just come in and pay us a visit. And you
know you can let Dawn, who is at our front
desk and takes care of I mean pretty much the
entire center, she can do it all. I would say,
come in, either give us a call, or just walk
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into the building and say, hey, I want to volunteer.
Can you tell me a little bit more about the center.
We can take you on a tour and show you
what's going on, and then give the proper paperwork, because
there is with being with this population, there is some
paperwork that has to be filled out. So a TB
test is required, or a TB screening by a doctor
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is required, and then we have to go through some
just general training practices of the center. So you know,
knowing where all the emergency ex's are exits are things
like that?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Ah yeah, yeah. What is what is one of the
best I guess personality traits for someone who was thinking
about volunteering. What would what would a personality trait that
they would need to have?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Energetic?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Huh I love it, Not as I was expecting either.
That's great.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I would say energetic because if you you know, you're
talking to this population and you want to get them engaged,
and you want them to be excited about something that
you're trying to get them to do, you've got to
be excited too.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's true. That makes a lot of sense when you
put it like that. So how many how many volunteers
do you have at the adult care center?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Oh? Goodness, I would say right now we probably have
six good I think five or six that come in regularly,
so you know, like there's always room for more. Obviously,
just like with participants, the same goes with volunteers, where
it's the.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
More the merrier, Absolutely, you know you always want more
volunteers coming in to help. Again, many hands makes light work,
but it's also so rewarding too. Where what kind of
I guess, what kind of people are your volunteers. What
walks of life are they from? Where are they from?
What are they are they? Are they retired themselves? Are
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they young? I mean, what are they like?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
We have all different So we have three of our
volunteers are actually also on our board of directors, and
so they are one's a retired nurse, one is a
retired speech pathologist. And then we also have a lady
who comes in and volunteers who is a nurse and
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she's still, you know, fairly young. We've also got students
from Shenandoah that'll still come in and volunteer for us.
So we take I mean all walks of life. We've
got all ages, all life experiences.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
That's remarkable. I think that's just terrific. And it says
a lot about about your organization that so many different
kinds of people want to be part of it. You know,
they've seen what you do and then then they want
to be part of that. I think a lot of
times there will be organizations without pointing any kinds of fingers,
but there are organizations where people are excited about what
(27:54):
the mission is and then they see the organization they're like,
this is not the group of people for me, and
it sounds very much like you're the opposite. Oh wow,
this is exciting and you're doing great work and I
want to be part of that. So, Katie, if somebody
wants to be a volunteer at the adult care center,
you say, they come in and talk to whom.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They would talk to either Dawn or Whitney and is
there and they would be able to give them the
paperwork and kind of do a little walkthrough on what
the process is for becoming a volunteer. So, like we said,
the TB assessment and going through the trainings, there's some
basic paperwork we.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Have you fill out, okay, And is there a website
maybe that they could get more information about.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yes. Our website is Adultcarecenter dot net.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Adultcare center dot net. Is is this organization? Is it
mimicked around the country? Are there many like this? Whereas
this pretty unique?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
There's actually not very many adult daycares around. I think
the next closest one after us is in Fredericksburg, I
want to say, so it's their kind of farm, few between,
and unfortunately a lot of people don't know that adult daycares.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Exist, and what a blessing they are true, absolutely, if
you're lucky enough to have one in your community like
we are. Again, my mother has Alzheimer's and we don't
have this where they are from. I didn't grow up here,
and so I've often thought, gosh, I just I used
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to tell my I used to bug them all the time, guys,
you just move here. It's so incredible. Well our friends
are here, is I know, But gosh, you'd love it here.
And now I just wish they had because it would
be so easy for me to drive them over in
the morning. And well, anyway, I'm so glad that you
are here helping the people that you're helping, and it's
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a tremendous thing. You're not just helping the client that
comes in or the participant that comes in, but you're
definitely helping the entire family. Their structure right there, their
support structure, and that is so valuable, so valuable to them,
to the families and to our community. Really, So, what
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if you were going to leave with one thought about
the adult care center that folks might want to know
or you would want folks to know, what would it be?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Oh goodness, just one parting thought.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
That's that's what I think. That's the most difficult thing
you've asked me.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Well, it could be, it could be a couple, It
could be a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I would just say, you know, I mean, give us
a try, come see what we're about. I encourage anybody
who's listening to go onto our website, or even if
you're somebody who does Facebook or Instagram or TikTok, we're
on there as well.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Just look up Adult Care.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Center of the Northern Shenandoah Valley and just pay us
a visit and see what it is we do. Even
if you're somebody who maybe doesn't have a family member
that's in direct need of this care right now, you
might know someone who is, or you might need it
later on down the road. And that's just I mean,
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we're really out here. We're just trying to help people
as much as we can.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
And BOYD do you And I want to thank you
so much for spending the time with us this morning
and sharing your mission and the exciting things that you're doing.
And Wow, I'm so excited about the growth that's happening.
And I think the multi generally let me say it again,
multi generational facility is going to be a huge success.
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I am so excited about that.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I can't wait for it. It's it's going to be
such a dream come true. It's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, again, we've been speaking with Katie Devilights of the
Adult Care Center of Winchester, and thank you so much
for spending time with us this morning. Again, your website.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Is Adultcarecenter dot net.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Have a wonderful day and thank you again so much
for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Thank you