2-1-26 - Guest Kyle Cauley, Hunting Coyotes

On tonight's show, Jim and Scott interview Kyle Cauley, expert on calling techniques, optical conditions and equipment for effectively hunting coyotes.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:31):
Good evening, everyone, Jim Straighter here and Scott Cronin and
I have a great program ready for you tonight. We're
gonna talk about Kyle hunting and hunting predators in general.
And we've got a special guest on with us tonight.
His name is Kyle Cawley, and uh he's a Kentucky boy,

(01:54):
and uh his credentials for tonight's show are pretty astanding.
He averages over one hundred coyots a year. He's hunting
them for years, and in some years he's actually topped
the two hundred mart So he is, as I like
to say it, Scott, way above average.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So Kyle is a machine on the couch. There's no
doubt about it, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Sir, So we're going to cover coyld hunting a to
Z really tonight because this gentleman is very very serious
about it, and again he's been doing it for years,
and this is a sport that's actually kicked him a
year almost two decades ago, but ever since the institution

(02:40):
of night hunting for coyotes, which incidentally, I want to
take it aside here and give some kudos to the
Kentuckting Department of Fishing Wildlife for allowing the night hunting
of kylots. It's one of the most effective tools we
got for help controling these predators. So we're going to

(03:00):
talk tonight about every aspect, what calls work, what guns
are best suited, what's the type of terrain that produces
the most results, vocalizations, you name it, We're going to
talk about it, and I'm gonna let Scott speak to
it here in a second. But first I want to
give people a little history lesson because a lot of

(03:22):
people do not in today's world understand or appreciate the
fact that tylets are not a native species. They are
an invasive that's beyond comparing in terms of the destruction
that they have wrought on our landscape and our small game,
our turkeys, our fawn deer. These things are vicious predators

(03:45):
and any and everything we can do to control them
is paramount if we want to enjoy the type of
other wildlife that's native to our landscape here in the region.
And I know that a lot of you don't realize this,
but I wrote a column about the first kyot that

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ever was seen or at least verified in the state
of Kentucky during the seventy eight winter. That winter, the
Ohio River froze, and here they came across that river
in good numbers. They came in from Illinois and Missouri
and have spread all throughout the southeastern United States since then.

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And while that seems like a long time ago, if
you look at the numbers we see now and how
they've altered small name hunting, interrupted fun birthing processes by
praying on the fawns. They're deadly on turkey nests. They're
just a really vicious critter, and it's gott I know

(04:49):
that's something that you and I have preached a lot,
and it's something we need to talk about here. For you,
brother Kyle, on.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, no doubt, Kyle nnsity is increased over the last
several years, and anytime that someone wants to become good
at going after a certain species of fish or game,
it's very important that you understand how those creatures move
through their homeland and what their movements are throughout the season.

(05:18):
Kyle's going to help us with understanding where the social
behavior of colets is going to come into play, Jim,
because you and I both know because of the amount
of attention that predator hunting coachs in general has gotten,
it's made these dogs to basically imprint and get into
a conditioning stage to where they're a little bit harder

(05:41):
to hunt right now. And when you look at all
of the data that's out there on coats, unfortunately most
of the data is published from back in the seventies
and the eighties, and we all know from the use
of trail cameras and just sitting out on the deer
stand in the evenings that kyle to become more of

(06:02):
a packing animal than what they've been accredited for in
what you would consider the books that have been written
in the studies and reports that are out there. And
I think whenever you start talking to folks that own land,
own livestock, and hunt coats. Jim, I believe that the
data that the folks that are chasing them will give

(06:23):
you is going to be a little bit different than
maybe some of the data that the biologists published back.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
In the seventies in the eighties, Yes, there are no
doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I think one of the most telling studies that I
had seen in quite some time since they emerged here
was the one that the deer folks put out where
they did two controlled studies on large acre reagion. I
believe it was in South Carolina, scott where they had

(06:54):
one property where they trapped colds and a similar property
right next door I think was done on the Savannah
River project as a matter of fact, and the number
of fun mortalities and recruitment was just so telling. I mean,
they in the one area they had great habitat and

(07:16):
very low deer numbers, and they couldn't understand why with
all those changes in the habitat and their manipulation of it,
they need to have more deer. So they trapped that
area extensively. The one next door they let go, and
the one where they trapped deer numbers started the skyrocket
almost immediately, so.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
In a lot of to have some seasons behind this gym,
we realize now that the deer numbers now, for the
most part, are much better than what they were when
the Kyle first come over here. And when it comes
to taking that focus of where these predators are impacting

(07:59):
our game, it's not uncommon either to find Turkey's packing
whole hens off the nest or trying to go out
and find any type of rabbits and dents and cover
and get out and chase small game. They're impacting things
that hurt us as hunters, and there is no doubt

(08:20):
about it. If you talk to anybody that has livestock
over the last ten to fifteen years, these kyouts have
changed their patterns and we're just going to have to
address it because I believe the name of the game tonight, Jim,
is how to hunt couts. And when we hunt them,
the man that we have coming on knows how to
stack them up in great numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
There's no question about it. So I'm really looking forward
to diving deep into the subject with Kyle, because, as
we said, this is one of the more effective tools
along with trapping that we can utilize to hold their
numbers in check. We're never going to eradicate them, there's
no doubt of that, but we as hunters, landowners, etc.

(09:06):
Through predator hunting and or trapping, can at least knock
them back to where we can enjoy some of the
success we used to have prior to their arrival here.
Of course, there's all kinds of changes that have come
since then, but I have said this many many times
to people that say, well, you'll never eradicate with whatever

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you do today, next season, they'll be back again. My
statement to that is real easy. That kit that was
in that trapper, that was shot with that gun and
gonna breed and it's not gonna eat any more game.
And that's about how simple I think it is. So
we're advocating for this and hopefully tonight for you new hunters,

(09:52):
this will be a real eye opener for some of
you fellas and gals that have been chasing them for years.
I think this is gonna be an educational program all
the way across the board.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Definitely going to be a program where it's more than
just keeping a arm truck with a rifle on it.
We're gonna get down and dirty with all of the
different types of equipment from bullets to guns to optics,
and the average colout hunter is not what they used
to be.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Demonstrator, No they're not, and we're going to talk about
that evolution because Kyle chased him in the old days
when it was daytime only, and he's elevating his game
in this new era when you come him with night
with thermals, and that's obviously the thing that really has
people excited in today's Kylde hunting world. So we'll talk

(10:43):
about that and more after the break. This break is
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Speaker 4 (10:51):
There is a man out there that can put a
cout down better than anybody else I know, and I'm
honored to have him on the program tonight.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's mister Kyle Polly.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
And for anybody out there that is wondering how to
tackle your Kyle problems or your situation, whether it's just
on one farm or you're wanting to get pretty aggressive
and start hunting lots of acres, Kyle's your man. So Kyle,
I'm glad you're on and looking forward to talking cold
hunting with you.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Tonight.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yes, sir, good evening, gentlemen. I appreciate you having me.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Probably the best way to start this out, Kyle, is
to just kind of explain the people who you are,
why you got into hunting kyots, and why you've continued
to do it.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I'm a deer and turkey hunter at heart, and I've
figured out that controlling predator population helps manage ecosystem balance,
and when you can reduce predator pressure, you're helping increase
this Bible rates of your young funds and popes, and

(12:05):
like y'all were talking about in the beginning of the show,
it also helps reduce attacks on livestock. And one thing
that I enjoy about it and is being able to
introduce kids or maybe non hunters to the sport because
it's a sport that anybody can do. It's enjoyable. It's

(12:27):
pretty action packed most of the time, and it's not
just going out and taking a kid and putting them
in a deer stand and sitting there for oris waiting
for something to come by. You kind of get to
move around a little bit and change the scenery and
it kind of keeps it interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Kyle. Those things really, I guess you could say accelerated
for you when the night timely became legal because you
used to do the daytime, but it was a nighttime
that I guess caught your fancy. Talk a little bit
about that evolution and what has shown you so that

(13:05):
people can understand how effective it can be.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
So when the daytime calling and hunting is, I mean,
it is a lot more challenging to get a creature
of the night to run across, you know, a wide
open terrain in the middle of the daylight and try
to call him in within an effective shooting range. When

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you are standing out there and it's middle of the night,
pitch black, and you're in the natural movement times of
that predator, it's a whole different ballgame. And the effectiveness
is it's really amazing how much more effective you can
be with thermal at night versus you know, trying to

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hunt them in daylight till say nine or ten o'clock
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yes, sir uh. And talk about the thrill of it
because with some of the calling techniques and what have
you you're going to discuss tonight, you're talking about situations where
there's multiple kyles came charging it at the same time,
but things can get get pretty frenetic and a lot
of a lot of exhilaration. Actually when that happens.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yes, sir, that's what makes it hard to go home,
uh and and quit when they're when they're doing like
they're supposed to and hard charging you. It's an ajournaline
rush like no other, and it just makes you want to, Hey,
let's do one more stand. Let's let's stick it out
and do one more stand and before you know it,
it's pretty early in the morning.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yes, sir, Scott, you got anything there to add?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I think one of the unique things about Kyle's hunting
style is a lot of people are familiar with the
term of running gun when it comes to turkey hunting
and Kyle's approach on what he does and the reason
why we wanted to bring him on is Kyle's going
to explain to you the type of equipment that you

(15:10):
need to utilize. But where these dogs are at, where
these kyouts are at, with the time of the year,
how they operate with different conditions, all of these things
are going to line up to make the perfect equation
to where you know which night and which time of

(15:31):
the year to go out.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
And strike.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
And I think that's what's so important because what I've seen,
Jim is over the last several years, because these electronic
callers and the different types of optics have come down
in price, a lot of people don't give a kylet
enough credit. And Kyle's one of those guys that over
the years, he's got the marchmanship down, he's got the

(15:56):
gear down. But what makes Kyle stand out so much
is the fact that he's a student of the game
and he doesn't know it all, and he continuously learns
from what's worked in the past, and he's always forward
thinking on the direction that's going to want to go.
Because anyone that you talk to in the most recent
time will tell you that kylech have gotten a little

(16:19):
bit more on the harder side to call up and
to get coming to the rifle and through Kyle's technique.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I think we'll go.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Through this interview Jim, and it will give people some
inspiration on why they need to move a little faster
and why they need to pay a little bit more
attention to what they're doing so that they can figure
out how to get that rifle to.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Go pop and that Kyle to go flop.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yes, sir Kyle, you want to speak to that because
we're going to go in depth about how all that's
changed and adapted. But it is different, it's changed a
lot the last five years.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Really, Uh, yes, sir so. And it's it's probably the
most evolving sport that that you in the hunting industry
that you see right now. Uh, It's it's every every month,
it seems like there's there's new and improved and new
scopes and and surprisingly it's not like everything else. They're

(17:23):
actually becoming cheaper instead of like everything else being you know,
becoming more expensive, and they're they're getting cheaper in price,
but they're also improving greatly at the same time. And
it's it's allowed. And I don't want to, I don't
want to just to sound come off and sound wrong,

(17:44):
but it all it is. It's a very expensive sport
to get I guess, the correct gear to start doing
on the thermal side. But but they have made it
now to where there are there's scopes that out there
that are attainable, that have amazing images you can identify

(18:04):
and recognize what you're what the target is. There's no
guess work behind it. Some of some of the cheaper stuff.
Five years ago, you didn't know if he was looking
at a coyote or a coon, you know, And now,
I mean it's the clarity, the resolution that's in some
of the stuff that's available now is just amazing. And
it's gotten to where there's so there's so many more

(18:27):
people involved in the sport because it is gotten to
be a lot more practical pricing that everybody can get
out and enjoy it. And it has made it tougher,
like like Scott was talking about, because there are so
many people around now that you're that the dogs are

(18:48):
getting accustomed to hearing all the different sounds and it's
making it a little more challenging.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yes, sure, Well, we're looking forward to you telling folks
about the tricks you used to trick cows that have
been called to before and methodologies that you know work
on those situations. And we're going to talk about the equipment.
So we'll be back right after this. This break is
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(19:17):
current listings at mop H A r T Realty dot com. Kyle,
there's been, as we mentioned earlier, so many changes in
the equipment and technology over the years. But I'd like
for you if you would describe for folks a basic
type of equipment that you would suggest that they start with,

(19:41):
and then I'd like you to take maybe a deep
dive into what you're using and why, if you would.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Please, yes, sir, So, I'm going to say the basics
to get started is one, you're going to need a rifle.
It doesn't have to be I mean that you can
go all over the place with that. You can use
your current deer rifle maybe that you you already have.
I like to think about it from a amo accessibilities.

(20:11):
You know, what can I get my hands on that
isn't you know, the most expensive to shoot because you
do you do a lot of shooting in the nighttime game,
for sure. It doesn't. You can you can go to
bass Pro and pick up whatever's in your budget and

(20:31):
and throw an inexpensive what's in whatever's in your budget
thermal scope on it and get you a bog pod
tripod and do just as good as the guy that's
got the thousand dollars carbon tripod with the ball head
and a custom rifle. It's uh, you have to you
have to start with a budget and say, well, this

(20:55):
is where I'm gonna try to stay in because it
can get out of hand pretty quick. I like a
two forty three or a six millimeter creed More type caliber.
It's flat shooting it. The recoil doesn't kick you out
of the scope whenever you're trying to maybe have a

(21:17):
follow up shot if you have, you know, a pack
of coats come in and and you and you get
an opportunity at the first one, and you want to
maybe have a follow up shot. That's something to keep
in mind, is recoll Uh. You don't want something that's
gonna beat you up all night. And also, wait, I
mean you got to think about how many times am
I getting this thing in and out of the other

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truck and walking and setting up and breaking down and
and you know all that stuff wears on you when
you're already standing up, you know, late and it's cold
outside and you got all the clothes on. But something
flat and fast that bucks the wind for long range.
And uh, because everybody thinks, you know, well, they're I'm

(22:02):
shooting them right here at you know, fifty sixty yards,
and that's that's not the case. It's a lot of times,
you know, they hang up on you. The terrain causes
them to do certain things as they're trying to, you know,
get around you on the wind, and sometimes you're you know,
you have to be able to be comfortable with your
rifle that you can reach out and shoot two hundred plus.

(22:27):
My current setup is I'm shooting a six PRC, which
is a six point five PRC brass that is necked
down to a six millimeter and I'm shooting an eighty
seven grain Quarnity V Max at about thirty seven hundred
feet per second. And uh, it's a it's a custom

(22:51):
rifle and it has to be reloaded for so that
that's that's not for everybody going and buying a good
six millimeter creed More and being able to buy factory
off the shelf at bass Pro Shop is just as good.
I run a fat Boy tripod with an ARCA plate,

(23:12):
which is a plate that mounts to the bottom of
the receiver on my on my rifle that allows to
lock in on my tripod so that I can stand
their hands free to be able to scan with my
scanning device, and my rifle is ready at all times
right there in front of me. If you if it's

(23:34):
in the budget. I would suggest getting a carbon tripod
from the start. The uh those the bog pods, there's
nothing wrong with them. They are heavy and when they
have a plate on them where you cinch down on
your rifle, and sometimes you can get a lot of
play and wiggle and you can't get as steady on

(23:57):
one of those as you can if you're locked into
a to a ball head on an arc of plate.
And those are some things that I learned, had to
learn along the way.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
You know.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I started out this one way and figured out like,
now this isn't the best route, and I'm a kind
of one of those by once, cry once guys, and
just try to get what I can afford that's best
in the beginning, and run with that. Get comfortable with it,
practice practice at distance, practice, getting comfortable shooting standing up

(24:30):
behind behind your rifle on the tripod. You know, that's
that's very important too.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Scott, Well, one of the major things there that stands
out to me, listening to Kyle is one.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of the big positive changes that has come with equipment.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
A lot of people are gonna think that it's calibers
and it's bullets and it's optics, but it's not. In
my opinion, I think the biggest change that's really been
a fitted the nighttime hunting and just hunting in general
has been shooting suppressed and subsonic versions of different am
and how this kind of developed. And it's amazing because

(25:13):
a lot of times when you're talking about shooting long range,
a lot of folks are used to looking at a
deer or an elk, and it's common for people to say, well,
if you can hit the side of a volkswagon or
a boatswagon door on an elk, then of course your
rifle is good enough to go out west and hunt

(25:34):
four and five hundred yards. In reality, it doesn't matter
what terrain you're in. In Kentucky, I do see where folks,
and I know Kyle's hunting style, get themselves in a
position to where they don't have to access the farm
what I call penetrate in a hard way and put

(25:56):
themselves into the advantage of being able to take a
little bit from other shot so that the kyles aren't disturbing.
And I bring this up because on these sets, when
you start firepower down on these kyles, it's first of all,
it's not uncommon to hunt with two or three guys
at night, and so there can be a lot of
shooting really fast, and Kyle may not, but I'll admit

(26:19):
that I miss a lot more so than what I
want to and it's just because of the amount of
coach a density that we have, and they kind of
do get a little bit squarely, especially if you go
in somewhere that's been.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Shot up a lot.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
But that, Kyle, is a lot smaller target than what
people realize. And I want you to think about that,
because here's Kyle talking about custom loading ammunition. And it's
not just about custom loading for price either. It's about
being able to shoot something extremely fast, and it's about

(26:54):
being able to shoot something that is extremely accurate. And
one of the biggest differences in your out predator bullets
is they are going to go through massive eruption and
it's going to be massive when it comes to damage
and how quickly that bullet fragments and that predator bullet
has developed. But shooting suppressed and how these rifles have

(27:16):
been developed, you're you're more or less being able to
shoot something where your rise and fall over two or
three hundred yards. You're you're only looking at you know,
about an inch, So it just makes it really nice.
Even with the advancements of how prism and optics have
changed with holdover points, it sure is a lot more

(27:36):
convenient when things are going down, you know, hot, fast,
and furious to be able to just put something really
simplistic on a on a dog and be able to
shoot and have that bullet go real, real flat to where.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
You don't have to keep arranging multiple dogs at a distance.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
That's exactly right. That's that's that's the reason why I
suggested the fast and flat is mytain when my thermal
set up is currently zeroed at three hundred yards and
that allows me a cout's body vertically is seven inches.
So if I have a group of colts come in

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and say they was to win me and run out,
I know that I don't have to take it off
the coat's body from zero to four hundred and fifty yards.
So it takes a lot of the guests work out
when you're not having this, well, my bullet's going to
drop five inches at three hundred It just makes you
a lot more deadly.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
So where are you at, Kyle when it comes to
when you've got colts coming in. Jim and I talk
about this pretty often when it comes to firepower, how
do you determine once your rifles set up, you've got everything,
and all the question has been taken out of whether
or not you're ready to hunt like you're hunting, how

(28:58):
do you determine which cout shoot first?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
When you have multiple coluts come in?

Speaker 5 (29:04):
So, like you said while ago, you know, it's generally
two or three people hunting. So we try to shoot
our side, is what we call it. The man on
the right shoots on the right. And there's a couple
of guys in my group that are are better at
long range shooting than you know, maybe a couple of
other guys, So we try to We know that, and

(29:24):
we've hunted for so long together that we you know, hey,
you get the back one, you shoot the one on
the right. You know, we kind of we've hunted so
long together that we just kind of we don't even
have to talk about it. I guess if you will
just shoot your side and the farthest dog or we
have a sniper that hunts with us, and he's usually

(29:46):
the one that's picking those off.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Okay, very good, I'm gonna go to quick break here.
We're gonna return to that a little bit because there's
some other aspects in multiple coluds that come in that
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at SMI. Kyle, we were talking about when multiple chaps

(30:11):
show up and that leads into some stuff where we'll
get into in a big way a little later. But
while we're on that subject, multiple cows come in and
the shots start. Talk a little bit about you know,
what can happen there, because a lot of the audience
can't even imagine how from eetic that can get and

(30:33):
how there are certain things you can do to make
things develop after that first shot to make things go
even better.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yes, sir, mister jim So, my my my group that
I hunt with. We're both acting guys, and a lot
of people are, you know, think like, man, I'm gonna
I'm gonna set up an ar so that I've got
fast follow up shots. But that's one thing that we
do not do is is shoot at running dogs. I've

(31:04):
noticed over over the years that our chances of hitting
a running dog is pretty slim to none, and we
have pretty good success rate with after say, say you
had a quad, you called in a quad, and you
shot and two two got away. Your chances of calling

(31:24):
those back or or at least getting them to stop
at at a respectable distance for a follow up shot
is usually pretty good if you don't stand there and
try to empty your clip as they're running away across
the field.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's exactly what I wanted you to impart to the audience,
because if you watch a lot of these videos that
are out there on YouTube, et cetera, you'll see these
guys hitting running cows, but they're not telling you how
manything and so yeah, and you're trying to do what
I think, yes.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Sir, and throwing hell Mary's out across the wide open
country and when you may not know where all the
houses and residents and livestock operations, and it's just it's
just a low percentage shot that's not worth the risk,
I guess, is what I'm what I'm trying to say there.
I feel like we have a better opportunity of bringing

(32:26):
those dogs back, especially this time of year when when
it's they're very territorial, and your chances of calling them
back to get another opportunity at a standing still. Know
your background is a heck of a lot better than
shooting twenty times as they're running across the field at

(32:46):
thirty five miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Absolutely, And we'll get into that in aday when we
talk about your calling techniques and how to stop them
and that what have you. I want to return to
the optics portion of what we're talking about. Do you
have certain types of thermals that you recommend, maybe you know,

(33:09):
bang for the buck type of thermals that people could
look at or for or Scott. You know, I turned
to you as well, since you're really big into that
optics field. I'll start with you.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
I'll let you go first.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
So over the last couple of years, there's been a
there's been a couple of new manufacturers that have came
to the scene, and one of them is Rick's Optics,
and they have some phenomenal stuff for images at just
excellent prices. I got the opportunity. I was up at

(33:45):
my custom gun Builders about a month ago and he's
actually a dealer and he had some in there and
he's like, hey, you need to take a look through.
Look through there and I powered it on and was
scanning around with it, and he's I was like, man,
what what what was that? How much would that run you?
He was like two thousand dollars? It was the It

(34:09):
was the best image for us what I would call
an inexpensive thermal optic that I've ever seen. And the
gear that I run is a little or what I'm
going to call on the top end of the pricing scale.
And and that's just by choice. There's when I when

(34:30):
I purchased my scope. I run a halo XRF right now,
and XRF stands for laser range finders, so that that
means that I have a range finder in my scope
that I can uh toggle buttons to know the distances
as the coats are approaching are set up. And I
feel like that is a very valuable tool because judging

(34:55):
distance at night is extremely difficult when you're zooming in
and zooming out and looking through the thermal optic, and
that that causes people to miss more than maybe not
just being a good shot, is not knowing how far

(35:16):
they actually are. And you can you can purchase scopes
today that have range finders in them that are cheapest
they've ever been since the thermal consumer thermal market has
come about.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Okay, very good. We're gonna go and break here, folks,
and we'll be back talking about set up techniques, calling, vocalizations,
seasonal changes, you know, a to z on how to
get these counts in range and be effective with caller
and killing them. This break is presented by mastil Pleece

(36:00):
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Hey Kyle, up next, we're going to really get into
the meat and potatoes, which is calling techniques, which I
know you were very very versatile about the situation. But

(36:20):
before we do that, I want to flesh some things
out on optics. Number one, I'd like you to talk
about scanners and how important you think they are, and
either you or Scott talked about maybe some low end
basic optics that folks can get into the sport with
as opposed to, you know, the high tech stuff which

(36:41):
is more expensive.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Yes, miss Jim, I think that the scanner is actually
probably the most important piece that you have. If a
guy told me that he had a five thousand dollars
budget that he could spend on optics. I would tell
him to spend three of that on him gaining device

(37:06):
and two on his optic. And the reason I say
that is when you think about a night of hunting,
you may only spend three minutes in your scope total
in the whole night, because you know you're you're getting
down on your rifle. You may be on it for
fifteen seconds shooting into that group and and and that's it.

(37:27):
But you're on you're on your scanner the entire stand.
If that stands fifteen minutes long, You're you're looking through
your scanner for fifteen minutes. So that is the most
valuable piece that I feel like you haven't but that's
where your money should be spent. It, in my opinion,
is on your scanning device and and it and I

(37:50):
see guys that will you know, scan with their rifle
And one that's that's not the safest method. And two
you can't see three sixty around you when when you're
when you're using your rifle scope as your scanning device.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yes, sir, obvious question, which scanners do you use? And
and uh, what what do you guys recommend?

Speaker 5 (38:17):
So they they have scanners out there that are that
are the size of a handheld range finder. Those are
gonna be your your cheapest option, and all the way
up to binoculars that have built in range finders in them,
and those are going to be your most expensive option.

(38:38):
And one way that I like to describe the difference
between those is is when you're when you look through
a monocular one single eyepiece, it's like looking at a
let's say a twenty seven inch TV. When you when
you go to the binoculars, it's like looking at the
eighty five inch TV. Your field of view is much greater.

(38:58):
There's also a thing that's called thermal eye, so when
you're looking through that monocular, it dilates your pupils so
much that, uh, it's like being outside in the bright
sun and then going in your house. And with the binoculars,
it also seems to help minimize that a lot. I'm
a binocular I use binoculars. I'm a binocular guy. I

(39:21):
like the larger field of view. I can I can
pick up heat detection and animals that are coming to
the call a lot sooner, and uh I will stay
in my binoculars, uh so I can kind of watch
what they're doing. Before I ever go to my scope.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, what what brand do you utilize?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I have Pulsar Merger binoculars is what I use. And
there there are some new ones that have just come
out what I'm gonna call this season over the summer
winter that are extremely good binoculars that are a lot

(40:02):
cheaper in price than maybe what the Merger line would be.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
If you will, okay, very good.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
You can you can get into a handheld like the
rains funder style for you know, sub one thousand dollars,
and you can get up into the top end Merger
line you're looking at, you know, seven eight thousand dollars,
so and there's everything in between.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Great.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I think one of the most important things when it
comes to your optics. You know, there's a lot of
different trade shows that are out there, and I can't
encourage folks enough to get out there and look at
these things with your own hands and your own eyes,
because unfortunately, a lot of the magazine reviews, a lot

(40:54):
of the YouTube channels, those folks are paid employees or
they're they're getting product for free. And so when your
wallet has to open up in cash or plus it
comes out, there's there's a lot of things that you're
going to consider much differently than somebody who is quote

(41:15):
unquote getting paid to shoot or getting paid to use
a product. And it's just one of the tougher things
in the outdoor industry. The good thing is is everything's
getting cheaper and there's more competition out there, and there's
more demand for higher quality stuff. So the consumers telling
these companies and we've got, you know, things that it's

(41:35):
not everybody can get there, Like you're not going to
be able to go to shot show every year, but
if you can get into some of your retail stores
that truly deliver, you know, customer service, and I just
throw this out.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Op supply is gonna be able.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
To leave you step by step through not only the optics,
but you've got to start looking at mounts.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
You've got to start looking at what type of platform.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
You're going to be up against.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
A lot of these things are different optics, whether it's
your scanners or it's your scopes, how they operate off
of a battery versus if they're a rechargeable device, and
a lot of these things too are going to fit
into play to where now with the use of Bluetooth

(42:20):
so many binoculars and optics and guns are all being
paired with one another to where when a man gets
into his rifle or he gets into his optics, whether
people want to go this deep into it, and I'm
sure Kyle can even talk to it as well, but
it's not uncommon for a man's rifle to have Bluetooth technology,

(42:43):
his optic to have Bluetooth technology, and his optic of
scanning to have Bluetooth technology.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
And what that does is.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Allows you to operate in dark conditions. And when it
comes to those optics, it's not like you're buying something
typically like a three x twelve scope or a fifty
millimeter objective. Everything kind of goes into a different series
and how it all lines up, and you may have
something that can flip up and out of the way,

(43:13):
you may have something that's going to allow you to
kind of move very quickly. But Kyle made mention to
something regarding optics that was extremely important, and those are
your switches in your buttons, and how well you can
run and operate those being in your glass, whether that's

(43:34):
your binoculars or where your firepower is going to be
extremely important because the last thing you want to be
doing is being out on a night hunt and holding
a button thinking that you're getting ready to go to
this screen or this particular feature, and you're actually just
piring on or piring off your optic. And that's something
that folks don't realize in these quick sets that Kyle's

(43:55):
mentioning how he gets in and gets set up. There's
a lot of rooms beating and banging on an optic
in and out of a truck. And it's important if
I can say one thing, and Kyle, if you can
backing up on this, I would appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Do not do not just buy an optic.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
And think that because you have the best optic, you're
going to have the best performance.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I cannot believe how many.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
People have issues where they do not mount their optics
properly with torque and cleaning things out and making sure
that everything is fastened down.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Like it's supposed to be. Because it goes.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Back to what Kyle was talking about with his preference
with that six milometer. It doesn't matter how much money
you've got in equipment. If you've got a loose mount
or a loose base, you ain't hitting nothing.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
That's one hundred percent create yes.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Sir, let me add something else here, Guys, if I
made before we go to break. While these prices may
seem high, what I'd like the folks that that are
you know, wanting to get into this and enjoy the
sport in a big way. The cost of a scope
that's two thousand dollars is no more than than a
high end shotgun for example, or a custom rifle. And

(45:14):
and this equipment, taken care of, can last, you know,
basically a lifetime. So uh, to Kyle's point earlier, get
what your budget will allow, but try to get the
best you can afford, because it will take care of you,
right Kyle.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
That's yes, sir, that is one hundred percent correct. And
the reseal value, say, say you buy what you can
to you know, to get started, to make sure it's
something that you're going to enjoy, and and then upgrade
the the resell value on the on the thermal equipment,
it holds its value, so you're you're not gonna you're

(45:53):
not gonna lose a bunch of money if you decide
that you want to sell your optic and upgrade to
a bad one, uh, you know, next season, because you
just you love it, and you want to you want something,
maybe I want to. I chose not to get the
range finder option because it's nine hundred dollars more. That's
not in my budget. But next year it's in my budget.

(46:13):
I want to upgrade my scope to the rangefinder version.
Then you're you're not gonna lose a bunch of money
on on on your investment. It is an investment. And
I look at it like, uh, fishing. I mean the
electronics on these boats now, I mean they're I mean
it's it's astronomical. The money that you can spend on
setting up a boat. Well, I'm not a fisherman, so

(46:35):
I spend my money on my on my thermal gear.
That's how I justified.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Yes, sure, Well you can get a whole lot more
for three thousand dollars today than what you could have
just five years ago. And and that's and I'm talking,
that's scanner and optics on your rifle. And it may
not be what you see by someone who titles themselves
as a professional predator hunter, but a three thousand dollars

(47:00):
budget will have you, you know, popping couch and being
able to see more than.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Just couch in a dark situation. So it's you can
get a lot for your money.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Yep, you can get a phenomenal set up today for
for a three thousand dollars budget. That's how that's how
far the optics have came in the last you know,
four to five years.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
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it soaked at SMI Kyle. Here's what separates the men
from the boys. I think is Paulie. You know winter

(47:48):
of the best times and conditions call? What vocalizations do
you use at the different times of the season and
the habitat or can conditions in outlook that you recommend
for success.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
So I don't generally get started into the predator hunting
until Kentucky's night season opens December the first, and I
don't do I don't change my calling uh sequences much
from say, December till February. I will remove certain sounds

(48:29):
and insert different sounds. But I'm I'm a vocal I'm
a heavy vocal guy, so I like to start my
stands off with with Hol's no no matter whether that's
December the first or that's February the first. And I
start non aggressive with with something like a lone long

(48:51):
loan HOL, because you are you don't always know if
you're dealing with aggressive coats or submissive coats, and I
don't I don't want to scare the submissive colats off
just by starting off with a with a real aggressive
you know, interrogation house or barking, and you know a
lot of aggression in the house. So I'm I'm kind

(49:14):
of just saying, hey, I'm over here, you know, I'm
just letting my letting it out three or four times,
kind of just letting them know how I'm in the
area here. And in in December, I may throw some
I may throw some distress in there for six or
seven minutes, just to just to try to trigger something

(49:34):
on a food type sound, whether that be a rabbit
or a bird or something of that nature. This time
of year, say February, I would replace the the food
type sound with something what I'm gonna owe a social
interaction sound and that and that's gonna be like whimpers, wines,

(49:58):
something geared a little bit more more towards your breeding
scenario more than a food scenario. And I like to
step up my aggression as I go, so I will
always end my stands very aggressive, like with real aggressive fights.
And but I don't I don't jump to that from
in the beginning because I wanna, I wanna. I don't

(50:21):
want to give all my cards out there in case
I need to go back to that farm again. I
don't want to just play everything that trying to to
get something to to respond. But the a lot of times,
believe it or not, just just that old lonely hol
you'll you'll get a response out of that, on on
on several stands just come in naturally to to investigate

(50:46):
Kylecher curious animals, if that, you know. I give a
little pause after that, and before I go into my next,
my next sound like like I said in December, being
a prey distress, and then I'll go into some type
of like a food fight that's a little aggressive but

(51:07):
not not you know, sounding like they're ripping each other's
heads off, and then I will end with that, and
if nothing's showed by then I'm moving. I'm not standing
there for twenty minutes thirty minutes. I'm giving it fifteen minutes,
and I'm trying to kill the active coats that are,

(51:29):
you know, in the area there. I feel like if
they're not there within that fifteen minute timeframe, then I'm
moving on to my next set. I'm into stacking up numbers,
not killing the single that comes in at the twenty
two minute mark.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Okay, talk a little bit about nighttime conditions. Obviously, moon
phase and amount of darkness versus moonlight's probably a big
part of your considerations, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Yes, sir, uh, We me and my me and my
group of guys that I that I hunt with. We
we do tend to struggle when it is when it's
a full moon or extremely bright outside. We have to
adjust to that as well on how we set up
on a farm with you know, if it's a new

(52:23):
moon dark moon, I can set up pretty much anywhere
I want. We We we stand you know, in the
wide open behind our tripods. We try to you know,
not be silhouetted on a on like a hill side
or something like that where they can pick us off
with you know a little bit of skylight behind us.

(52:43):
But we we don't pay real close attention on a
on a dark moon to having a good backing. But
on a full moon, the coats tend to act more
like it's daytime, and and sometimes they hang up at
further distances or won't even break the timber line very far.
When when it's real bright and you can see with

(53:04):
your naked eye, you know, a couple hundred yards across
the field, obviously you need to kind of stand with
some type of tree line backing to kind of help
break your silhouette up. But but we do tend to
struggle a little bit on bright moon nights. And if
you told me to pick, you know, what's your what's
the best night to go?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I like.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
A warmer night after it's been really cold.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
For a while.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
I like falling barometers. The couch seem to uh to
call better on a falling barometer, and a forty degree night.
I'll pick a forty degree night over a uh, you know,
twenty five degree night every time, and people think, well,
it's cold tonight, we're gonna it's gonna be awesome. A

(53:51):
lot of times, what I've een if on really really cold,
like we're like the weather we're in right now, what
I see is is they lay up during during the
night and try to stay out of the wind, just
like you would like to do.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Well. That makes all the sense of the world. And honestly,
it runs counter to what a lot of guys think,
because a lot of guys think the colder the better
because they're hungry. But to your point, they can serve
their energy. They know that hunting's tough in those conditions,
so they share off of it. So I'm glad you
made that point. Got to go to break here. This

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Speaker 4 (54:38):
Kyle, you had some good information there on how to
start your calling and go through the sequence of it.
Along with calling, one of the things that you do
so well is you lay out routes and you utilize
online mapping to make sure that you're going and hunting

(54:59):
the rights on the right winds. And sometimes I think
people may put too much into their equipment and to
their calling and they overlook the wind a little bit.
And I would like for you to share what your
strategy is on how you mark which farms you're gonna hit,
and why that's important to let that wind be in

(55:21):
your favor when you're hunting coats.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
Yes, sir, so on x is I mean, obviously is
a very valuable tool and the one of the keys
I guess to being successful or being able to kill
you know, a lot of coats is you can never
have too much ground. It takes a lot of ground.

(55:47):
And you can't be scared to ask for permission to
have access to a farm, because I'll be honest with you,
you get told no, very very very rare to toad.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
No.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
People want people want you out there to hunt the coats.
And what I do is is I drop pins on
my farms, and then I will that there's a there's
an optimal wind setting that you can put with the pen,
and I will set preset those in my on ex

(56:22):
map and then if I'm gonna go to a certain
part of the county one night, I'll zoom in on
that map and then I can pick my route a
circle or just to be the most efficient I can
be by which what all pins are green, which means
that the wind is optimal for those stands, and a
lot of those stands pins, I have color coded different colors.

(56:44):
And now that I've got, you know, four or five
years experience on some of these properties, and and I
kind of know, you know, some of these farms. I mean,
we kill there every time we go there, and those
may be the places that I want to go to
first before I'm just more or less I guess blind calling,
if you will. And I like to give the couts

(57:09):
the wind to a certain degree. Couchs are always going
to try to come down wind, and I like my
wind blowing to the into the open that I can
see or shoot that doesn't have an obstacle. So what
I mean by that is, I don't want my wind

(57:30):
blowing through a fence row where they can circle on
the other side of the fence row, and then I
don't have an opportunity to harvest the animal I like.
I don't like the wind blowing straight in my face,
blowing towards an obstacle, you know, like a road behind
me where a cout knows that that road is there
and he has to circle that road across that road

(57:51):
to get behind me to get my wind. A lot
of times those couts will will hang up on us
or are not commit because they know to get the
wind it's not safe for them. So I do like
to give them a little bit of a crosswind where
they have to circle into the open. And but when
they're in the open, they're they're one hundred percent visual

(58:11):
for us to be able to, you know, hopefully get
a shot off at a at a reasonable range.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
How all that makes perfect sense because just like deer,
they you know, they live or die by their nose,
and and a cow's nose is unparalleled really in nature
in many ways, in my opinion, Describe your typical approach
to a setup if you would, because a lot of

(58:40):
folks don't realize, you know, how to make themselves be
mobile and and you know, make multiple stands at ely
given night. This is what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Yes, sir, I'm me and me and my group. I mean,
the type of terrain that we are typically in is
it's pretty flat bottom ground. There there is some gently
rolling topography. But if there is some topography, uh on
the on the farm that we're fixing the call, then
then we may you know, have to dive just a

(59:17):
little bit deeper into the farm to be able to
have a good visual at at distance. I don't like
to limit myself to where I'm getting surprised, where when
they top the hill, they're right there, you know, in
your face. At forty yards. It doesn't give you a
lot of time to adjust. So in those situations we
may have to dive just a little bit deeper into

(59:39):
the property. But I try to stay on the outskirts
as much as possible if if the farm allows me to,
and and that allows us to make more stands because
we're not spending all of our time walking and setting
up and breaking down and then walking back, and and
it just allows you to If you if you can
do ten stands in an evening ver versus five because

(01:00:01):
of your approach, then you've you know, now you've doubled
your opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
On average. How far are you from the vehicle on
your setup so folks can understand, you know, how you're operating.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer that kind of vaguely,
and I'm going to say as as as close as possible,
So that could be thirty yards, that could be sixty,
you know, depending on the terrain. But a lot of
times we can, I mean, we can see the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
And normally, again you only do a set for probably
a backfield, what fifteen minutes before you were ready to
row somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Yes, sir, this time of year, breeding season, I usually
cut it off at twelve because what I've noticed over
you know, the last several years, that it is, uh,
if it it's usually within four to six minutes, it's
usually happened. If it hadn't happened, then at the nine
it mark, it's probably not happening there. So let's let's

(01:01:02):
wind her up and move on to the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Okay, talk about your scatty a little bit. How you
you know, determine how many colts are in an area,
whether it's worth multiple sets and you know, small sections
versus you got to move a large territory to find
another pack area, et cetera. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
Yes, it's so that like right now this time of
the colts aren't on aren't on every farm. They're they're
they're grouped up right now. They're when you when you
do call in, uh, you're you're calling doubles and triples
and quads and you know, whole packs. It's not your Uh,
it's not like December. You may call a single on
this farm and and they're a little more dispersed. But

(01:01:45):
right now, and that's where some people get frustrated, is
it's like when they're not calling anything, it is because
they're they may not You can't call a colt if
you're not where coats are. And and best case scenario
is when when you open your stands with vocals that
they answer you, and then you know, are we around
them or do we need to move closer to kind

(01:02:05):
of penetrate the bubble to to intrude and them feel
threatened to force them to come. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Absolutely does so that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
That is if they're non vocal, it is a little
tougher you and you do have to do some blind sets,
but you can you can ride around uh In in
the evenings after dark on a on a on a
you know, calmer wind night and and do some group
paling pair hows and get couts to vocally respond to you,
drop pins on them on your own ex go go

(01:02:40):
secure permission on that property. And then this time of year,
they're not really moving too far from that area, so
you can get generally close enough to them that they're
going to be in that vicinity to where uh. I mean,
I've seen them come from quarter mile half a mile
visually through the scanner, just running to you, so that

(01:03:04):
they will travel some distance to get to you. But
that from a scouting standpoint, just kind of prelocating or
kind of knowing that where the groups are at at
this time of year and then trying to hunt what
I consider active kyopes. The ones that are vocal and
the ones that are responding is the ones that I'm
going after.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Very good, let me go to a quick break and
coming back. We've got some other things we want to
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at mop h A r T realty dot com. On
a normal night, when you're gonna go out and hunt,
how long after dark do you wait to go? You know,
I know that varies, but generally speaking, what's your thoughts
about peak times during the night?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
So I will well, I will say I'm forty years
old now, so I don't I can't run with the
younger guys like I used to could. Uh, So I
like to start as soon as it gets us, soon
as it gets dark. Because if it's if it's a
good night, I can stick it out. But if it's uh,
if it's slow calling, I'm ready to get back and

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get in bed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Okay, all right, I will say that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Uh, I will say that I don't really notice a
big difference in timing as far as is it better
between eight and eleven or one in four there there
there does tend to be a shut off during the
night at some point, and it'll it will get lax
for you know, two or three hours. And you can

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generally tell when that's goun happen just with your scanner.
When when you're not seeing the coons and the possums
and the other you know, ground predators out moving around,
climbing the trees, in the ditches, running around in the field.
Usually when you're seeing all that, the calling is pretty good.
Deer up on their feet, you're seeing a lot of

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game moving. The calling is usually really good. During those
times when you start noticing the deer are betting down
or they're they've gone back to the timber. You're not
seeing any coons, you're not seeing the possums, you're not
seeing the other animals out. It generally starts to slack
up on the call. And it is something I've noticed.
It's it's weird how that works, but it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
They do go hand in hand with each other. Believe
it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Well, I truly believe in that. And that applies to
all kinds of things, squirrel hunting, deer hunting, I mean, fishing.
There's just peak times and periods when critics are active,
and like you said, if you're paid attention, you can
kind of feel the pulse on those kinds of things.
Count back to calling and what happens, especially during the

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periods of the year when you've got multiples coming in.
Describe what you fellas do in your sequence. After you
say knock down the first one or two and there's three, four,
you know, up to five coluts coming in, what vocalizations
do you use? You already mentioned you don't shoot at
them running. Give folks some tips about how to capitalize

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on multiple couts if you would.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yes, sir, so, say we just caught in, We just
caught in a group and we're big on getting as
many of the of the group to stop as possible
and one to two shoot on three. Once we make
that initial shot, I will swap the call to a

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really aggressive fight with you know, a lot of what
I call UH distress like how distress pup distress UH
sound on a really high volume because they're you know
now they're they're running away from you, and and you
want them to hear that. Well. A lot of times
what will happen is is they'll they'll slow down and start,

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you know, bouncing and looking behind them and and give
you an opportunity. They'll stop and turn around. Sometimes it's
for five seconds. Sometimes they will will retreat and come
right back to you. And what I what I noticed
with that is if if you call in and you
and you kill the females out of that UH group first,

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the males UH will will are very easy to call
back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
That that is a great point. What what do you see,
you know, through the time that you've done this for
years and years, what do you see about male versus
female out of curiosity and young versus the.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
The males are that are are definitely UH very aggressive.
They're they're the ones they're coming out. You know, if
you're in a I've had them come out to house
and and and stand there and paw the ground and
and urinate in the you know why they're pawing the
ground and just show and challenge how at you just
out in the field, you know, and just letting you know, like, hey,

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I'm this is my territory. And they're they're the hard
chargers and the ones that are really hard to get
to stop whenever, you know, you can shut the call
off at two hundred yards and hoping they're gonna lock
up for you at eighty and sometimes they run past you.
You know, they're they're the hardest ones to the they're
the easiest to finish, but they're the hardest ones to

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get to chill out when you're ready to shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yes, sir, uh, you find that the younger culture, you know, easier.
Obviously they probably are, But what do you see about
them during the whole period of the open season at night?

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
The so the younger ones are the are what I'm
going to say, are the easiest ones in the early
part of the year, like first of December, those are
the ones. They're not very vocal. Uh, they're kind of
coming in quiet because you know they've they've kind of
been kicked out from you know, the alpha alpha female
alpha male groups and uh, you know those are starting

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to define their territory, which what were the next dinning season,
and uh, where they're gonna raise their pups. So they're
they're very aggressive when you're in in their territories. So
the younger ones tend to be the ones that come
in a little slower, a little a little cautious, not
not real vocal. But if you can ever get a

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pack to fire up, like where it sounds like there's
you know, four or five, those are the ones that
you can really that's the ones that I like to
go after because those are the ones that you can
get really aggressive with the fight sounds and that you know,
cook your safety off because if they respond with a
hawl back at you, they're coming.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Game on, baby, game on.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
If they ever answer you, it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yes, sir, well kyl, I want to change gears a
little bit if you don't mind to close out. Yes,
our cats are absolutely exploding. Anybody that's been out there
and the terrain knows that you don't have to go
very far to find study after study that shows how

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detrimental they are to turkeys. For example, they are currently
not legal at night. I think they should definitely be
on the menu if you will for us to pursue
at night. What are your thoughts about that in the
closing minute?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
So yes, sir, I could. I couldn't agree more. I
think foxes should also be added to the season. I
think bobcats and foxes actually do more harm to our
turkey polts population than the acting and coylties do. I
think cooties are harder on our fawns than than they

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are the turkey polts. I think that the bobcats and
foxes should definitely be legalized for nighttime, even if it's
just for a you know, a year, just a couple
of years, just to leave it a go and let's
see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yes, sir, I totally agree with that. The reason I mentioned,
Dad is the exposure to bobcats. I mean, you go
back fifteen years ago and you were lucky to even
see a bob chap. Well, now they're rolling around in daylight,
you see them and get them coming into the call.
So yes, yes, sir, all right, partner, Well we sure

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appreciate you having on tonight. I think you've done a
great job explaining a whole lot of things, and maybe
it's supposing some things that people thought they knew. So
many thanks to you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
Yes, sir, have I appreciate the opportunity very much.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Okay, Kyle, all right, folks, that that's a wrap for tonight.
There's a lot of hunting left out there. Be careful,
God bless everybody.