3-15-26 - Guest Jeremy Mattingly, OTH Fishing and Crappie Monster

Tonight's guest is Jeremy Mattingly, OTH Fishing and Crappie Monster. He shared pre-spawn crappie techniques. You can check him out at OTHfishing.com.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:31):
Good for everybody. Jim Straighter here, And it is mid March,
and we all know what that means. It means windy weather.
It can mean tumultuous weather. It can mean cold weather
that we didn't expect. But the one thing we do
know about it is it's leading towards spawning season for crappie.

(01:54):
In that regard, we're gonna do a pre spawn crappy
show tonight with Jeremy Maddingly. Jeremy has been on the
guests the list for us before. He is the owner
and innovator of On the Hook Fishing and Cropping Monster,
which are his two venues where he helps spread the

(02:16):
good word about croppy fishing and helpsanglers to become better
croppy fishermen. And this is a show tonight that I
think was going to be extremely revealing because this is
a guy that thinks out of the box. Scott Cronin
Jeremy's a great guest. He's been with us before, and

(02:38):
we're going to talk tonight about weather changes, barometric pressure,
muddy water versus clear water, on the banks versus off
the banks. This is a guy that's the real deal,
lived the dream, and he's the right kind of guests
for this time of year. I think, Yeah, Well.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
With this weather heating up and spring coming in, as
this water temperature begins to creep up, so does the
activity on the crappie, and there's a lot of ways
to catch him before that big spawn bit it occurs.
And it's one of my favorite times to go fish
because when you find fish that are biting, they're pretty aggressive.
And we'll definitely start off catching a few more males

(03:22):
this time of year, but we'll talk tonight about how
that will progress and what you can do as far
as finding not just to breed to get around to
get your bait caught up in, but to hopefully get
one of those big lip crappie and hopefully drop it
in some hot ole and have a great meal after
a good day of fishing.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Gym.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, sir, well, Jeremy, you know he runs the full Damu.
By that, I mean he's been a very very successful
tournament fisherman in the croppy world. He's also very successful
as a lure innovator for crappie, and he and his
wife Brittany have traveled all over the United States pursuing

(04:03):
croppy So his overview, his ability to give us insight
on what they're going to do at various times of years,
it's probably one of the best shows that I think
we can bring to folks who pursue crappy. And in
that regard, you know, croppy fishing is way way up
there on the scale of numbers of anglers who are

(04:23):
out there, and pre spawn is you know, a lot
of people wait till the spawn. Pre spawn is a
period where the bigger fish can be caught number one,
number two. It gets you a little bit ahead of
all the pressure that the lakes receive on general from
guys that wait till they're actually on the banks. And

(04:44):
he is a master at figuring out what they do,
why they do it, and he'll share all those tips
and techniques with us going forward. So I'm really looking
forward to the conversation as much as I hope the
audience is, and in that regard, I'm going to break.
Right after break we'll get with Jeremy. This break is
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(05:07):
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at SMI Marine. All right, folks, our guest today and
is Jeremy madding Lee. We're talking about pre spawned crappie fishing,
which is very high on all croppy fishermen's radar screen
right now. Jeremy, welcome aboard and delighted to have you

(05:30):
on with the skiins man.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I'm glad to be here. It's an exciting time of year.
We're getting closed to the best time of year in
my opinion for most anglers.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
What we're going to get into here tonight is showing
them what they're missing out on. Those new personal best
are getting caught right now. You've got the best of
both worlds. You've got fish that have been feeding up
for the er. You got fish that are loading up
with eggs getting ready to spawn. They are the fattest
that they will be all year right now, and something

(06:07):
these folks do not want to miss out on.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I totally agree. And if you know, I got a
lot of friends of mine that are that are that
we're big on that. You know, it's it's like, well,
what's the biggest you've ever caught? There's not a so
much ego. Things is a comparison of where have you been,
what have you done here in the state of Kentucky
and around the region. You know, anything over two pounds

(06:34):
is a trophy fish. I think you would agree on that.
When you get to the three pounds category, you're way
over the top.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yes, And Kentucky has three sleeper lakes that have over
four pound crappy in it. I'm not going to name
them because one of them is very small and that
lake would get ruined if I called its name out.
But I do personally know that it had a four
point three pounds on official scales come out of it
last year by one of my buddies fishing.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
That is unbelievably big crappy. I've been fortunate to catch
a couple over three and they look unreal. I can't
imagine a four pounds croppy. To be honest about it.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Well, I have caught. Let me make sure I say
it's right, three hundred and seventy eight over three pounds.
And I am very privileged now to be able to
do what did I do? Between Croppie Monster and we
acquire those arc rods and between those two businesses, I

(07:43):
need to advertise. So instead of paying somebody to advertise
me and Miss Brittany, we go out there and do
the advertisement ourselves, and we're able to travel the country
and shoot our TV show on the Hook and try
to spread our joy and our knowledge of crappie fishing.
And it is a long way from twenty eighteen still
foreign concrete. I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, you know, that's one of the reasons I value
you as a guest that I think the audience will
share this. Your passion for the sport has carried you
forward into the sport where you're invested in it in
a way where you've got all kinds of products that
are very innovative, and you're able to travel around the

(08:29):
country to share knowledge about what you're doing. I guess
it's a great segue. Tell people a little bit about
your journey into the croppy world and Croppy Monster and
on the hook and what you all are all about,
and then we'll get into the techniques after the break.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
All right. Well, as far as me and Brittany, we're
all about family, always have been. I started crapping to
get away from a computer and reports and paperwork with
our construction business, and I decided that that's what I
wanted to do and I had to find a way

(09:10):
to make money at it, and she was supportive of that,
so we jumped in. I stuck a pen to paper,
I started drawing, I started cutting, and coaching and welding,
and that's how we came out with our outlaw Landing net.
I was trying to find the real world problems that
needed to be solved, because that's the best way to

(09:31):
sell a product. You need to solve a real world
problem and make people's lives easier. So since then I
went into the tournament industry, and well, Britney actually fished
a tournament with me in Louisiana. The heat index I
think was about one oh six right in there. She
was seven and a half months pregnant. That's how committed

(09:54):
that woman is to this. And she wasn't miserable, That's
all I say. But we did really well in that tournament.
And man, it's just we've been included to help for
twenty years this month and that is the best part
of what I do. That and getting to help some

(10:16):
of these kids and get them outside. We do a
lot of work with kids that they wouldn't be able
to go out and do this stuff if that we
wasn't in there trying to help them. And right now
is when I'm really heavy on helping the kids because
the crappie it's getting ready to get easy, really easy.
And right now, honestly, and I'll name this Lake Green

(10:40):
River has never in my lifetime fished as good as
what it is right now. There are people out there
spider rigging the edge of the channel and wearing them out.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, I will tell you, Scott and I can put
a big game in on that. We talk about that
all the time. Scott.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of lakes that are kind
of sleepers. And and the power of YouTube and social
media and bringing information to folks even like what we
do with radio.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
It's it's really important to.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
In my opinion, it's really important to protect people's home
fishing grounds too, and and I respect you for keeping
that late under control. One of the things that does
get a lot of traffic these days is when you
do have folks that are trying to bring content knowledge

(11:36):
to other people so that they can be more successful,
especially if they're on really limited time. Is that a
lot of times there's there's a few folks that that
end up getting a little bit more pressure and traffic
on their lakes. But I also think because of how
our our spring was last year and all the weather it,

(11:58):
it has created a really good population of crappy The
density is definitely there and there to be had.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
And I think a lot of those fish last.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Year that were bigger adult fish didn't get caught because
of the water being in the shape that it was
in and then folks not wanting to get out and
deal with it. And it's made our reservoirs and our
lakes and different things just a whole lot better.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
If you can say it, you know, having a year off.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Did it good.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm going to put my stamp on the fact that
Kentucky benefited from having some pretty unique weather forecasts and
patterns last year. That's shaped fall fishing up and now
this early pre spawn fishing has been extremely good.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Well, I absolutely agree, and I hope we have another
high water spring and there's plenty of fish being caught.
People are still catching fish. But with that high water,
these fish can get back eared where you can't get
to them. So it's it's so hard to get somebody
to pull off a hot bed when they're just whacking

(13:08):
these fish one after another. But with the high water,
not all those fish are going to be consolidated right
there where you can get to them anymore. They're back
there in the trees now. Of course, a lot of
people if you call me on social media Croppie Monster
or Jeremy Mightingly Ozark or on the hook on any
social media platform or on YouTube under cropping Monster. I

(13:33):
moved away from Kentucky for five years, and I'm back
home right here in Brokenridge County, Kentucky now and.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Out here beautiful downtown Hardensburg, Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Yes, sir, Hardensburg, Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Man.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Right here, I've got Ohio River fifteen minutes from my
house I've got rough river fifteen minutes from my house.
I got no end under an hour from my house.
I got water for miles. It's a perfect location in
central Kentucky to where you can still catch fish and
cut tobacco.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, but it.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yes, sir, And that's the thing that people I'm sorry,
go ahead, Well it's going to say one thing that
you were talking about. You're talking about people getting off
of those beds with a lot of this pre spawn
condition that you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
When that water is up a little bit higher, it does.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Give those fish quite a bit of cover to get
into and hide from us. And one of the things
that will be important, I feel, is as folks do
get out and try to venture towards catching some crappie
this time of year, is to look at how inconsistent
at times.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Our weather can be from one spring.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
To the next, and how we can kind of fight
and battle through those changes and weather trends and the
swing and fluctuation and temperature along with all that water clearity,
because that really is.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
To me, what makes or breaks being able to.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Catch fish in this particular pattern is being able to
adapt to the changing conditions that seemed to happen all
so fast and drastically, and there's very few perfect days
to get out there and go.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
That's exactly right, there's very few perfect days. Don't wait
on those perfect days, go fishing. I'm going to give
you an example right here, and I hope I don't
hurt any feelings by this, because what they did at
that tournament was absolutely awesome. We had a team weighing,
we had two teams weighing nine pounds on a five

(15:42):
fish limit tournament, and me and Brittany were out there.
The water had just raised like six feet in the
four days prior. It was so muddy you could literally
throw trees out of your boat and they just plant
themselves in the middle of the water. That's how dirty
it was. Me and Brittany put together at twelve and
a half pound sick in two hours, and we were

(16:05):
not in the tournament. And that's what you're going to
hear during the show. Guys, you really want to pay attention.
I'm going to do the best I can to teach
you how to make those transitions, to make those decisions
on the fly when those fish are not where you
think they should be. I'm going to give you an

(16:25):
insight into what they is. Not really their mind, it's
what they have to do to survive, and that's how
you find them.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, this is the key to Jeremy quite frankly, so
the audience understands why I revere you, and I mean
that as a guest, because you know how to do that,
and very very few folks know how to do these things.
You've had to do it in a tournament situation, you

(16:58):
do it in your business situation, and that is a
really cool thing to me to be able to bring
somebody that thinks that way to the program.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, I appreciate you having me on here, and it's
about well you look at it from this way. I
do everything I can to help other people, but at
the same time, and I don't mean this selfish or
arrogant in any way, I'm helping myself as well. I'm
helping feed my kids and my family. Because the more

(17:32):
people that go out and have a successful day fishing
are the more customers the entire fishing industry has. And
even if you've never tried crappee monster, if you get
out there and you catch fish and you keep going back,
eventually when you're walking down that aisle. You're going to
pick a back of them up and Brittany is going
to appreciate it a lot well.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And your baits are very unique and innovative. And you know,
we've got those things going on, like a crappy fishing calculator.
That's something that caught my eye that most folks in
that industry don't even think about you your way out
there on the edge. That's the reason we got you
home tonight. All right, folks, I'm gonna go to break here.

(18:16):
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(18:39):
All right, everybody again, we're talking to Jeremy Manningly on
the hook fishing and croppy monster. Uh Jeremy again, we're
gonna talk about pre spawned croppy, but I want you
to talk a little bit about your journey so people
can understand your dream and your desire to have people

(19:00):
catch more crappy. You know, I first got hooked up
with you on your nets, your outlaw nets because they
were very innovative and you know, I'm all about something
that can help me and uh, we didn't know each other.
I bought that debt and that led down the road

(19:23):
to make you understanding. You know who you are and
what you're doing. Uh. And you and Brittany been partners
in this all the way, as you previously mentioned. But
it's been a journey, and it's one where you got
a passion to help other people, which appeals to me
on a personal basis having been in the business for

(19:46):
a long long time. Talk a little bit about that,
and you know some of the things your magnetums, your
you're those arc rides, things that you feel like are
a way for you to help other people.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
And what that I found when I first started crappie fishing,
everything was top secret. The other anglers would not share
much information, just enough to get you in trouble. I
guess you'd say so when I started my YouTube channel,

(20:23):
and I think we're three or four hundred videos on
it right now. I don't even hide my way points.
They're right there. All you got to do is screen
casting them. You can go and fish the same stuff
that I do and I don't care a bit. I
want people to have a better life. And it's clean eating.
You can't get a better resource to be putting in

(20:46):
your body and all that all around helps people. And
the biggest issue is everything costs too much money. So
I do seminars all over the count tree about stop
wasting you money. And I've set down and I have
designed products that absolutely will do that. The all all

(21:08):
landing net is one that solves problems. If you're in
a small boat, you've got the reachs to be able
to reach around you buddy and net his fish or
a child or what have you. It goes from six
feet to twelve foot on the handle, so you got
thirteen foot eight inches overall length, and that sounds really long,

(21:29):
but it only weighs two and a half pounds get
you can hold it out with one arm fully extended.
So that was one thing. And we put a silicone
based rubbernet in it that keeps it from dry rotten
laying on the deck of your boat, and it keeps
your hooks from getting stuck in it. And then we
went on to different baits. I go all over the country.

(21:52):
I'll have four bags of base in my pocket and
two sets of two different jig hits, and that's all
fish with And honestly, that's why we don't have one
hundred different styles of bits. I don't want people wasting
their money on stuff that they honestly don't need. We
came out with a new bait, the Ghost series, in December,

(22:14):
and we have sold approximately nineteen thousand bags of that
bait since December twenty Second, what it is, it's virtually indestructible.
It solves a lot of real world problems right now.
And even in the spawn, smaller is better. A slower presentation,

(22:34):
especially in this colder water, is what it's going to
take to get those fish to bite. And if you're
in muddy water and you're using too big of a
jig head, your jig goes by the fish so fast
that it tries to chase, but then it loses it
once it's more than six or eight inches away from
the fish's face. Yes, I see that with forward face

(22:55):
and sonar for anybody wondering, Yes, I use it to
study the fish. It does not catch fish for anybody.
But what it does is give us an insight into
being better fishmen. Without it, so what.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Do we did.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
We put a foam floating course shot in that bait.
So in this wind and it's that time of year
wind blowing right now, so you can use a larger
jighead eighth ounced jighead. You can cast further than a sixteenth,
but a sixteenth is what you need. So with that
floating course shot in her, you can go to the

(23:32):
bigger jighead and then still get the fall rate of
the smaller one, So eighth will only fall with the
same speed of a sixteenth bait, and then you're still
able to cast it. From my studying of the fish
in my tournament career, I found out that to trigger
a bait, every fish out there can be caught if

(23:54):
they have the right incentive. And I have preached and
preached and preached. If you can perfect the pop, you
can catch any fish in the water. And what that is.
You don't want your jig going up and down eight
or ten inches like we used to think we did
jig jigjig. Now you're running your fish off. All you
want to do is a very short, violent jerk on

(24:17):
that rod, kind of like if you grabbed the electric fence,
and most of us have done that. That short, violent jerk,
and what you're doing is sending that vibration through the
water so that the fish can pick it up on
their lateral line, on their ladder line and come find
your bait. Well, with this bait, we made it out
of a special composition of a lasttack in clastisol where

(24:39):
we could put a paddle tail on it and make
the shank of the tail so small that you can
breathe on that thing, and that paddle goes back and forth,
setting off that same vibration. So with this bait, it
takes the popping out of the equation. All you got
to do is cast and retrieve. It is simplified. That's
all you got to do. And we now came out

(25:00):
with solid colors like purple and shar truths. One of
my favorite colors, and that one's always in my front pocket.
Purple and shar true is the ticket underwater. Purple and
shar trus and black and shar trouths look identical. I
had a diver get down and take pictures of both
of these baits under the water. Black and chartreus and
purple and shar troops look identical under the water. So

(25:24):
to each his own. Whichever one you want doesn't matter,
or you're still gonna end up with the same result
between those two colors. So that's my dirty water color.
That's the one that's always in my front pocket. The
other one is called Margarita. It is a crappie monster
only color, and we have combined pearl with the iridescent

(25:44):
coloring so that it looks identical to a shiner. If
you have that bait in your hand and you roll
your hand left or right, you will see purple, blue, green, pink,
and you'll see it go back the same as having
an actual shiner in your hand. So that one is
absolutely always in my pocket, and that one you can't

(26:06):
get any more natural in clear water. That's what you
want to go to. In dirty water. You want to
go to the purple and shar truths because the water's
dirty air and it's harder for them to see a
clear bait. And the other one is always going to
be one of my outbreak. It's a one inch bait.
It's a little bitty bait, and most of the time

(26:28):
black croppy are going to take a smaller bait versus
a bigger bait, and all crappy in the winter or
when the water temp is below fifty, they're going to
want that smaller bait because they are a cold blooded
animal and they do not want to expend the energy
it takes to chase down a big bait, and they
just decide it's not worth it, so they just they

(26:51):
veer off and go back to the brush pile. So
the smaller bait, they'd rather eat ten of those than
one large bait because it just takes too much in
that one is always in my pocket. And then Jim
touch base on a magneto, will go, that's my big bait.
That's a three inch bait that I fish a lot,

(27:13):
even during the spawn. I will fish that if that
I know there's fish there and I can't get them
to hit my smaller bait. On a slow presentation, I'll
slap a quarter around jighead on that magneto and I'll
running across the top of that brush top just as
fast as I can humanly reel that rod. And all
it is is you're triggering the reaction bite. If you

(27:36):
think about it, a dog laying on a porch watching
a mailman walk down the sidewalk. That dog's just gonna
pick its head up and watch as that mailman walks
down the sidewalk. But if that mailman ever takes off running,
that dog is off that porch and lit out after him.
It's a reaction deal. It's instinct, and that's what you've
got a trigger. Yeah, And right right now, we've got

(28:00):
muddy water. So those are my baits, and here comes
the start of how to use them and how to
find the fish. So we've got muddy water clear across
the state. It's all muddy. Well, what those craffee. The
reason they're in the brush pile is for shade. They

(28:22):
are predatory animals. They want to attack from cover, so
they're in the shade to uh so they can hide
and as the bait comes over, they can run out
there and smash it, and then they go back to
the brush pile. But when the water's muddy, the whole
lake is shaded, they've got cover anywhere they go. Most

(28:46):
of the time they're on top of their prey before
either one of them know the other one is there.
So this is how that story happened. With the tournament,
we have high water come in from a lot of
rain to come down through the hollers, and some of
the snow and ice melted off and all that good
stuff raised the water, and I also got muddy. So

(29:07):
I went to a couple of brush piles and I
didn't catch anything at all. I went to the third
one that I generally can catch fish on. I call
one or two small croppies seven or eight inches. I
was like, all right, I know where they are, and
from my personal experience, I knew where they was right
then when they wasn't in the more shallow the ten
to twelve foot brush, I turned and I went straight

(29:29):
out to the center of the channel and I got
to looking and these fish were in the top two
feet of the water column, in thirty three feet of water.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Hey, hey, that, Jeremy. I want to talk about that
coming back from break, because these suspended fish out over
deep water is a totally different dimension than something that
Livescope guys have really capitalized on. So we'll do that
after break. This break is presented by s By Marine.
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you were talking about these suspended fish and how they
move out. Continue with that, Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
When it's muddy, there's less light penetration, so they can
sneak up on their prey a lot easier as long
as they can see it. And especially when they're not
pulling current, there's nothing pulling the bait fish over the
top of their brush pile. So if they want to
eat and survive, they have to leave that brush. They

(30:39):
have to leave the safety of their home and go
out and open water. And that is where that fider
riggers long liners are going to really stretch their legs.
That's where forward facing somenar's not needed whatsoever. If there
is no current and muddy water, those are your days

(31:02):
to go. If that you're not, if you don't have electronics,
that's your days to go and really succeed because it's
about just covering water out in the middle and open water.
And a lot of these lakes in Kentucky are upland reservoirs.
They're not very wide, especially during the winter drawdown that

(31:24):
we've got going on right now. The same amount of
fish a lot less water with the mud, with the
lakes muddy, then fish are gonna be right out there
in the middle, so just start down the edge. I
try to stick to the edge of the channel if possible,
and I will have my baits at different depths. So

(31:44):
if I'm spider rigging and I've got eight rods out
the front, I'm going to have them alternating, one up high,
one down a little bit lower, another one up high,
one down a little bit lower, and I'll try to
keep on two to three foot difference in depth until
you start catching fish and get your pattern on one

(32:05):
specific depth, and then they all go to that depth.
And what I saw, well, it was a rough river.
What I saw there was that most of your large
fish were in the top literally top two feet of water,
setting over thirty one to thirty three feet of water,
and they were just sitting there. So that's where you

(32:25):
have to really slow down spider egging or longlining to
keep your baits up in the water column to keep
it nose level with these fish. As the water starts pulling,
the current starts going, those fish are going to get
sucked right back to that brush. It'll be bringing in
clearer water. It'll make the bait fish because they're eating

(32:49):
small stuff. Those smaller minnows cannot fight the current, so
they just kind of glide along with the current, kind
of like in the Finding Nemo when they was on
whether East Atlantic Current or whatever it was, they were
floating with the turtles. They're just floating down the current,

(33:10):
and the crappie, being larger, can fight the current and
they jump up there grabbing one and then they go
back to their brush. And most of the time when
that we're bibber fishing and such, that's all we're doing.
We're mimicking what those are doing. We're jigging a bobber
coming straight across that brush, and you'll find that you're
a lot more successful on a finicky bite when that

(33:35):
you are dragging that bait in the same direction that
the water current's coming, because it's more natural to the crappie.
If it's getting drugged the opposite way of the current,
then they gonna think they're gonna have to eat mighty mouse,
and they're gonna be a little bit leery of it. Yes,
they're predatory fish, but when that they think something right,

(33:57):
they'll that's when they'll hunker down. And that's when we
think think that they must have just left the pile,
or they shut down on us. They shut down because
we were doing something that is completely out of Mother
Nature's realm, trying to catch them and trying to talk
them into coming out of that pile and biting.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Uh, Jeremy, I'm gonna throw something out here. Generally speaking
for me, when I'm fishing pre spawning, which we're talking
about tonight, smaller is better. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Oh? Absolutely, small and slow is king in pre spawn.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, very good, and well define that and expand on
it after the break here. But I just found through
years that I must rather have a smaller bait early,
and then as we get to more aggressive fish like
fish on the beds, you can change up a bit.
But again we'll cover all that as we come back
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Rtrealty dot com. Gary. We were talking about and pre
spawn how a lot of these crappy, especially the big females,

(35:22):
come up in the shallow water and suspend, and I've
always had a theory well borne out by cleaning those
fish and seeing what was going on with them, that
they come up there for a lot of reasons. They
come up there for the warmer water, which helps mature

(35:44):
the eggs. They come up there for the sunlight, which
helps develop those eggs, and that's what they do to
prepare to move into the banks. Now, the males are
a different situation. We'll get into that, but you talked
a little bit about that. That's I think one of

(36:06):
the reasons that the forward facing solar guys really do
in gals do really well and prespawn on these fish
that are suspended over channels of things like you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yes, yes, and right there over the edge of that channel,
we've always traditionally called it a staging area. They will
start to move there in October in our area in Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio,
the northern states where that it's going to be colder sooner.

(36:46):
You get south of us and they won't really start
moving there till up in December, but they'll get right
to the edge of the creek channel. In big water,
they'll almost always stage on the side of the Creek
channel closest to the bank in Rough River, it's two

(37:06):
hundred yards wide at best most of the winter, so
it doesn't really matter which side of the channel they
go to. They've got bank right there. But like Kentucky Lake,
you get out on Deal Hollow, some of the larger lakes,
they will almost always be staging on the side closer
to the bank. And it's just because they're lazy fish.

(37:28):
They don't want to move very far, so as they
transition to that staging area, they're going to sit there
as long as what they can, so that all they
want to do is eat and make babies. That's what
they got on their mind, yes, sir, And one of

(37:49):
the best free forward faith and sonar methods was of
course spider egging and longlining down those channels. And that's
where that they all He's found them. Matt was right
there at the edge of the channel and being able
to see the greats like Ronnie Katz and Steve Coleman

(38:09):
and some of those guys that won just about every
tournament they ever entered. That's what they well, while they
were taking my lunch money, I was studying their behaviors
as well, just seeing how it is that they dominated
the field. And when I figured out that those fish
aren't gonna move that far, they're not gonna They're not

(38:29):
gonna move ten miles in a week. They might move
one hundred yards in a week, but that's gonna be
about it. And even when they start getting aggressive, they're
still not gonna move very far. They're gonna be in
that general area. So when you're out there fishing and
you're not catching much and you look up and think, well,

(38:52):
I need to go a mile down here, more than
likely you just need to change your technique or your speed.
Speed is everything, especially right now winter, pre fawn, and
even in spawn, all three areas, let's say, from October

(39:12):
to may flower and smaller is king. I cannot say
enough it is going to be absolutely keen all it.
Most of the time, the big baits don't play much
of a role until the middle of the summer, when
that the fry are larger. The only time that I

(39:34):
pull out a big bait is when I know in
my head, whether I see them on screen or not,
if I know those fish should be there, I'll pull
that bigger bait out and I'll run across it real
fast to try to trigger reaction bite and if that
don't work, then I just start looking around somewhere in
a close proximity to me. What is it I'm not

(39:57):
looking at? What is it that I should be doing different.
I was actually having a conversation this morning with another
gentleman that I need to put out YouTube videos of
when that I didn't succeed to be able to show
what it was that I felt like I was doing

(40:18):
wrong and how I rectified it, what exactly it was
that I should have done, and then go do it
and prove it on video so people can see it.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
What would be a good example that that's an obvious question.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Well, a good example of me not doing what I
should do is when it gets cold. Most of the
time the fish go deeper. So if it's cold and
I am just so headstrong, they've got to be on
this particular brush pile in four foot of water that

(40:59):
I said there, and waste two hours of my time
trying to make fish bite that aren't even there. All
I had to do is move out to the next
drop off and try right there find a piece of
structure on that next drop off, whether it is with
side scan or whether you're just casting a jig and
trying to get hung up in something, and that's the

(41:22):
way they used to do it. They would just cast
a jig and dragging around until they hung in something,
throw a booty out and start fishing whatever it was
they hung in. So the colder it gets, the deeper
the fish go. Most of the time. Now, the one
exception to that is muddy water. They will come up

(41:43):
and I call it just sunning. They just come up
to try to get some of the top layer of
the warm water so that they can get their metabolism
turned up so they can go to eating.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, a lot of people I think bypass or forget
or whatever. The proper term would be that we're dealing
with the cold water creature that's metabolism is determined by
the environment in a much bigger way than you know animals. Uh,

(42:19):
guess what I'm trying to say is when the when
the water is warmer, they reve up. When it's colder,
they tend to shut down a little bit. They don't
have to move there. They've got that advantage to deal
with the fluctuations in the environment they live in, which
of course is water.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Yes, yes, and that's the thing we've got to remember.
They're cold blooded. They have to find a little bit
warmer water to be able to survive, and that's what
it is that will trigger them to bite. They warm up,
they get frisky, they go to eat, so a little
bit warmer water. And that's the thing that year round,

(43:05):
crappie can be found in less than five for the water.
In the middle of the summer, they can be found
in less than five for the water. These fish need
to stay warm, and some of them thrive in the
more shallow water. Not the black crappie, but the white
crappie will thrive in the shallow as long as it's muddy.
You can't get too shallow in the middle of August,

(43:28):
as long as the water's muddy like what we got
on Ohi River most of the time.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna go to break here. Coming
back from break, we're going to talk about how to
target these pre spawn fish with various types of baits
and conditions and parametric pressure and all the fluctuations that
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off these shells and move up into the bays in
the areas during the pre spawn. What do you look

(44:17):
for and some of the keys you can help people
understand how to catch them again during pre spawn before
they actually get on the bed hard on the brush.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Well, it's similar to spawn. You're looking at the bank
trying to figure out where what looks good, What is
it that looks like a good spot for them to
make a bed and spawn. They're going to hang out
right out in front of it. This goes back to

(44:49):
what I was saying about crappie or they're a very
lazy fish, so they know their internal clock or whatever
you want to call it, no, that they're going to
be spawning as the temperature starts to rise. So they're
gonna stage in front of where that they want to spawn.
So if you've got something on the bank and lay

(45:11):
down that looks just looks beautiful, you see a great
vigo trunk, maybe you can see a little bit of
the limb sticking out the top of water, go fifty
sixty seventy feet straight out in front of that dude
towards the channel, and those fish will be sitting there
in open water or on any structure that they can
find out there, and they will just hang out until
it's fine for them to go into the bank and

(45:32):
do their thing. They might be there for two months
before that they spawn, and most of the time the
ones out there are gonna be your giant females. Those
are the ones that I was talking about earlier that
that's when your personal best get broke. Is one two

(45:53):
three months before the spawn. It takes months for a
female to develop her eggs. That's where you see people,
especially on social media, talking about the falls spawn is
on now. It takes months for those eggs to get made.
So that's why they have their eggs in them in

(46:14):
October and November. So their body is preparing for the
spawn and their mindset is I can hang out right here.
Crappie lived their life kind of on vacation. I guess
you would say they don't have to do anything except
what they want to, and they're not going to They're

(46:37):
going to barely move the least amount of possible to
get ready for what they have to do. And the
only thing they have to do every year is spawn, well,
spawn and eat and that works out well for us
all around. So they'll just me hanging out there. Especially
with the water drawn down. You can see that tops

(47:00):
of the timber with a three dollars pair of Walmart
Polar Eye sunglasses. You can see the tops when they're
just under the water out towards the channel, or maybe
you got some sticking out of the water. I'm gonna
concentrate on that stuff that i can see sticking out
way off the bank, out towards the channel. That's where
I'm going to concentrate right now.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Okay. And and as far as I've got to those
saying no mina is no fish, I.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Like you well my thoughts on that, and I'm gonna
tell you honestly.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
And numbers I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about
the big individual fish. I'm talking about numbers of fish.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Numbers of fish right now without electronics this time of year,
I'm gonna say that artificial will out fish minas tend
to one. Now you get into summertime, summer is different.

(48:11):
That's when in minnas will come out and you'll see me, Yes,
I own crappee monster. Yes, I make my living from
selling soft plastics. In the middle of the summer, you
might see me reach for a minta bucket. But right now,
this time of year, this is where that I'm gonna
say that plastics are gonna out fish minnos. And here's
the reason. This goes back to what I was saying about,

(48:34):
don't pull your jig against the current across a brushpile.
We're all fishing with minnas. The big thing for me,
and this is a big thing in bluegill fishing. If
you use crickets too. We'll use a just straight hook

(48:54):
and then'll wait above the hook. That wait, in my
opinion and my experience, never needs to be more than
six inches from the hook and no closer to the
hook than four inches. And my reasoning behind that is
you get a minna out of a mina bucket that

(49:15):
is extremely cold when he hits that water. That dude
is frisky. It is swimming around, it's dragging you bobber
left and right. You can't even tell if if you're
getting bit by a crappie or if it's a minta
dragging you bobber, so all that movement it lets that
crappy know there's something up with this minna.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
If it's swimming that.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Hard and that fast, why ain't it swimming out of
my life? But it's still there, so I think it
gives them a red flag. One thing, if you're stone
cold manifeshing, okay, I'm not gonna try to change your mind.
One of the things that I've done, and it's a
little bit brutal, I guess this is when I put

(50:01):
the mena on and I've got four or five ft
a line out, I kind of sling my rod over
and smack the top of the water to stun that mino,
to slow it down, to knock it silly, so it's
not out there running all crazy. My personal opinion is,
if you're gonna use menas right now, you'll catch more

(50:22):
on a dead one than you will alive one, because
you're able to control the movement of your bait by
jigging your bobber well a big pause, and all you're
doing is just rocking the bobber.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yes, sir, but what I really meant about no minis
no fish is no bait in the area, no fish
in Okay, I appreciate where you will, but what I meant, yeah,
that's a great pip go ahead, that's a great fit

(50:59):
for them to it in the tricks.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Like if they're fishing brush with menas and their bobber
is moving all over the place, knock at dude, silly
and pitch it back in there. But you are absolutely correct,
no menas, no fish. So if the bait fish ain't
in there, the crappy ain't in there. They the crappie
are going to be wherever the bait's at the same

(51:21):
as the large mouth, small mouth, the hybrid stripers are
all going to be wherever the bait is. And most
of the time.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I mean, Jeremy, honestly, I don't think the average croppery
fisherman has learned to take that way the way bast
fishermen do. For example, they fall a bait, I mean
they do. They just you know, yeah, you know, white
and black crappy. I mean, they just they want to

(51:52):
be where the bait is because back to your point,
they're lazy.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yes, they want their meal with them at all times.
That's their happy meal. In a sick as long as
they don't get very far from it.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
So I think one of the biggest planks where you
get hers this time of year, though, is that that
people get it in their head too much.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
They want to fish a.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Certain way and and they may not be very good
at multiple techniques and and it really depends on where
those bait fish are at and how those crapi are
holding to cover, on on what which technique is going
to actually put fish in the boat.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I'd like to and and Jeremy, I'd like you cover
those Scott. That's great point. We'll do that after the break.
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p h A r T Realty dot com. Uh, Jeremy,
there's certain areas during presp on these fish stage and

(52:57):
intend to hold and that's where things like you know,
crank baits and hair jeez and other stuff coming to play.
Can you talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Yes, crank baiting comes into play here. It's a little
bit early unless you go with a very small crank
bait because you're gonna have to move so slow. The
like if you're dragging them behind the boat, or you
can cast them. Now, if you want to cast them,

(53:32):
then you've got complete control over everything. They're speeding up
so down to be able to get your depth right
now when this time of year, if I throw a
crank bait, I'm going to use one of those little
bitty inchin and quarter crank baits. I think they're called
ditzy minnows or something of that effect. Yeah, and especially

(53:54):
like now, this is gonna be pond fishing related, but
I love him things in a pond because they catch
absolutely everything. The one thing I will tell you to
stay away from is pink. And the reason I say
pink is because when I first started out crappeye fishing,
I trold crank baits a lot to cover water and

(54:14):
try to find the general area on where that the
crappie were on a brand new lake, and the catfish
tear up a pink crank bait. Now, blue catfish or
a channel will run at sucker down and it will
just ruin your day. If you've got eight rods at
the back. Now, pond fishing, it's up to you. But

(54:37):
I veer away from the pink and go more to
the silvers, blues, greens, black, and honestly, it's just there's
something about pink and catfish. They love those pink crank baits.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Being that you're in the plastic business, Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Explain, you know when you when you get in to
searching for fish with a crank that sometimes that can
be just a totally different approach to crappy fishing. But
when you get out there and the average guy who
is a weekend warrior or maybe they do just plan

(55:13):
to go fish on the better days this time of
year when we get into pre spawn, a lot of
folks that don't understand the biology of croppy they may
get some minutes and put them in a bucket. They
may have a rod that's got a little hair jig.
They may have a.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Couple of little small croppy baits, and then they'll.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Get into the jig world or the plastic world, and
not only about the size of the way that the
jig heead, but you'll have one that will be a
certain color, and some of them will have spinners or
blades on them, and some don't sell us kind of
why that small plastic approach can be fished in so

(55:55):
many different types of water as these fish are may
and reacting to not only the feeding but the temperature,
and then you know, getting excited for the big hoorah.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
As far as making more.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Crappy, okay, I'm gonna start with the jighead there. I
use two jigheads, and those are out of the last
four years. I might have used a different jig head once.
I use eighth ounce Sharkproof's ball head, and I use

(56:30):
a sixteen ounce unpainted uh, just a regular leadhead. Now.
The reason I like the plastics is because you can
swap them out so fast. You don't have to cut
and retie. You just slide it off your hook and
slide another one on. There In where the underspins or

(56:51):
the bladed jig heads, if you're gonna use those, In
my opinions, they're useless in muddy water. That they are
there to make a flash. In clear water, that's where
that you would use a natural color, preferably one that
has some sparkle in it. You're trying to catch the

(57:12):
attention of the fish, and in clear water you can
catch the attention of a crappie from up to twenty
feet away. Dell Hollow is a very prime example. Now
that dude's pretty clear a whole lot of the time,
and all you're doing is trying to make that flash
that they can see so that they can come find
it to eat it. If you're in muddy water, the

(57:33):
best you can hope for out of the blade is
to throw some vibration. And that blade adds weight, So
even though it says it's an eighth ounce jighead, it's
going to weigh over a ounce because only the lead
is what was measured. They didn't measure the blade in

(57:54):
with it, so you're gonna have to go to a
pretty small one. And again, the best you can hope
for is a vibration in muddy water. Muddy water using
the darker colors. Sometimes certain darker colors work better than others.
Sometimes a real deep orange and shar treos will outfish

(58:16):
black and shar trews. It depends on that lacks normal
food source for the crappie, if that they've got, if
it's heavy on crawfish, then that orange is going to
help you out, depending on what stage those crawfish are
in and the color that they are at that time,

(58:37):
and that's where that a orange will outfish black or
a purple. The one thing to our well, our most
famous bait would be the joker. It's an uppercut is
the style of crappy monster brand. It has a dark
purple body with purple sparkle, and then the tail is

(59:01):
a pearl truce glow tail. In my opinion, it is,
and it's been proven quite a few times that that
is the best bait there is for muddy, nasty water
in most of America. Three of your largest five sacks
of crappie ever turned in and tournament history was on

(59:22):
that bait. And that's also one of the ones that
I told you is always in my pocket. You can
literally fit my entire tackle box in one front pocket
of your bridges. We sell we've got eighty four different skews.
Because everybody has a notion of their confidence baits and

(59:46):
what those may be. Well, my mine are just these four,
and I know that they work. And that's why that's
pretty well all that I carry.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Okay, on structural things to look for in bays or
cuts or or creek arms, on pre spawn, what are
you looking for? What are you targeting?

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
I want a deep mouth to the creek, and I
want it to go gradually up to a shallow flat
in the back, and I'm thinking Kentucky Lake or Barkley
is what I'm sitting here picturing in my head right now.
I want them to be able to have access to
deep water, but also have access in a close proximity

(01:00:36):
to a shallow rays, preferably sand or soft bottom. And
the reason for that it's easier for them to make
a nest in sand than it is rock. If there's
a shell bed there, sure, I'll come back and check
it a month later for some shell cracker or bluegial.

(01:00:58):
But the croppie they don't really dig in the way
a shell cracker does. Shell crackers a lot copper skin
to fish, I guess you'd say than a crappie. And
the crappie's gonna mess their fins up pretty bad trying
to make a nest in a shell bed or in
pea gravel. So they're going to go to the softer

(01:01:18):
bottom to try to make that bed. And if you
can see anything sticking out of the water back there,
even if you can't get to it, it's a plus
because you know there's a foot of water back there,
and I know there's gonna be crappy spawn back there.
It's reasonable to assume that they're between that and the

(01:01:40):
mouth of that creek currently, So Jim God.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
To help people.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Have you noticed that, like any certain on set, as
spring develops kind of on your sides of your lakes,
you're fishing that have vegetation on the growing timber that's
actually so merged in the water that the fish are
getting up in there and holding tight or not just
because the water temperature, but also because of those shadows.

(01:02:08):
And I'm thinking about the cypress and stuff in Barklay,
Kentucky Lake right now that you're talking.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
To Well, I was actually going straight there. One of
the things to look for as everything starts to green
up and such, you'll start seeing bugs and flies, and sir,
you see those little pops, those little bust on top

(01:02:34):
of the water, the little bitty bust and you know
they ain't bass, and you think they're bluegill. A lot
of times them is black crappie. Black crappie's diet is
larvae for the most part and small insects. So if
you see it popping around one of those trees or
a lot of times they'll be dead bugs on top

(01:02:56):
of the water around the cypress trees are around the
cypress knees. Yeah, there's gonna be fish down there that
they're eating that. And that's where that I see people
come to real foot all the time in the spring
and don't catch anything. They are overlooking the fact that

(01:03:17):
under the water those cypress trees, those roots spread out
like your fingers. If you spread them out, the coffee
will sit down in between those roots and come up
and bust the top. When they're eating those insects, you
pick a jig in there. It ain't gotta be six
inches deep under your cork. If they're already feeding, they
gonna they gonna eat. And that's where that my favorite

(01:03:41):
time comes is to grab that bobber out, shut all
electronics off. The only electronics on on my boats, my
troller motor. It's it's me or ridden a bobber. I
absolutely love it, and I fish really fast. When I'm
bobber fishing, I go down a bank and I'm rocking.
I might have that troll motor on seven eight ten

(01:04:04):
and me and one of my buddies we will be
throwing and we kind of leap throg. I throw a one,
he throws it. The next one, I throw the next one,
and so on so forth, and all we're looking for
and I say it, and I guess it's kind of
bad to say I'm looking for one dumb one. To
let me know they're there, and then we can turn
around set up shop for a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I text him during the day and I said, you've
got to cover a lot of water really fast. You
don't need to wait around for the bike. The bite
should the bite should be found very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
All right, go ahead, Jeremy.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
As that water camp comes up, you need to speed
up with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Okay, very good, sir. I gotta go break here. This
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Get your boat in there and get it ready for spring,
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never gets soaked by my friends at SMI. Jeremy, there's

(01:05:11):
two conditions that occur a lot during prespawn that affect things.
One of them is warm rain, which obviously raises water temperatures,
especially in running areas in the backs of the creeks
and other w there's warm wind, and both of them
can stack croppy. I'd like you to talk to that

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a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Uh. Yes, that French water coming in as it's raising,
especially in the back of the creek where the water's
drawing coming in through the holler. That and wind to
boat will stack crappy at certain locations. When the water
is coming in in the back of the creek, if
it's coming in really hard, a lot of times it

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will stack those crappy up out at the mouth of that.
They won't have any choice but to go out there,
and honestly, let's go back to the lazy thing. All
they got to do is float because the water's automatically
going to push them out there, and then they're going
to hang on, whether it be a piece of structure
or cover. And when I say structure, I'm talking about

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the actual contour of the lake of the bottom of
the lake. So the cover being a tree or lay
down or such, it'll stack them up there. And wind
will do the same thing. Bass a lot of times
will get on those one wind blown points because that

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wind is creating a current that is pushing the bait
over the top of it. Crappie will do relatively the
same thing because at the end of the day, they're
both predatory fish, and well, I think that pretty well
covers both of them. The water coming in in the bike,
we'll push them out and push them on the structure,

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and the wind will push them on to the structure
to be able to eat anything that cannot fight the current.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yes, sir, do you find that crappy on average, and
to prespawn bite better in the afternoon than they do
in the mornings. I have this argument with folks a lot,
because you know, all these changes would pass and crappy
and everything going through the year. But to me, the
afternoon bike generally speaking and prespawn is the best bite.

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Do you agree or disagree with that?

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Well, there's gonna be a couple more calculations I throw
in there. It be whether it was cloudy or the
sun was out on a regular day where it's partially sunny.
I would agree with that a lot of times. It's
go back to being a cold blooded animal. They need

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to warm up that they'll they'll come up start shunning,
They'll be they'll relate closer to the top of a
piece of cover so that you can fish shallower for
them even in deeper water, and the warmer they get,
the more aggressive they're gonna get. So yes, and that's

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when that they will Really one thing I want to
touch on pre spawn or spawn either one. The more
shallow water warms up faster. So if that it's early
in the morning and you're not getting bit, try going
a little more shallow because that water, if you watch
your graph, is gonna be anywhere from one to five

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degrees warmer in the shallower water. So when you do
find them, they'll eat. Yes, Yes, I would have to
agree with you on that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
And it always seems like about the time that you
got to take your hoodie off because it's starting warm
up that then the bite is normally coming on. And
I found that the mornings are better for me for
the most part, because you're there at the beginning of
kind of that feeding frenzy in that movement.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
To where you get out there too late in the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Afternoon, everything's almost kind of working against you when when
the tempter starts dropping again, and sometimes the fish can
be a little bit more finicky.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
I like, yeah, And it depends. That's going to depend
a lot on style of fishing, depending on where I'm
at in the lake. I can agree with both of you.
I'm one of those people. I'm out there. My boat

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is warming up. Which here's a pro tip for you
this time of year, when it's cold, you need to
let that boat warm up for fifteen minutes before you
take off down the lake. You will blow a ring
out of that show with those cylinders being cold. But
I'll be there fifteen minutes for daylight and I'll have
my boat warming up and be getting ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
All right, Well, Jeremy, we really appreciate it. Folks. You
can check him out. Tell us where they can find you, Jeremy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
They can find me on YouTube, Crappy Monster, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok,
and otchfishing dot Com is our website. Otfishing dot Com.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yes, sir, well, very much appreciate the information. That's wrap everybody,
God blessed, stay safe out there.