April 25, 2026 • 35 mins
Ian Furness, Rob Rang, and Hugh Millen break down the ongoing third round of the 2026 NFL Draft as the Seahawks get closer to making their final selection in the second day of the draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your home for the twelfth Man Probably presents the twenty
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, we're back at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center
and Fortes sitting in is softy. Has he has fulfilled
his draft duties?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
He has gone.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's much quieter in the building now and we're all
better for it. No, we kid, we kid because we
love all right, So let's rob rang has joined us
now for the next couple of hours, however long it
takes to see the whites of the eyes of John
Schneider and Mike McDonald in a couple of minutes if
you're just joining us. The Seahawks did make a selection
of the second round, one of to their schedule to
have today thirty second pick in the second round, sixty
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fourth overall, and that was Bud Clark, the we'll just
call him defensive back out of TCU. He joins Jadarian Price,
the running back from notre picked yesterday with the thirty
second pick, in the first round. Before we get more
into Bud Clark, let's look a little bit ahead. Seattle
does have the thirty second pick in this round, the
third round, which is well underway. A little bit of
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a run on quarterbacks has taken place in this round
as well, as we have seen. Carson Beck go sixty
fifth overall, which is number one in the third round
to the Arizona Cardinals. So the Cardinals do get a
quarterback in the draft as was expected. Drew Aller, another quarterback,
the quarterback out of penn State, goes number twelve. He
doesn't leave the state of Pennsylvania. He stays there with
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the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the Colts have a pick in
Falcons are on the clock. We'll kind of keep an
eye anything that jumps out at us. That's newsworthy. But
we're a little Seahawks centric here as we look ahead
to the third round. Hugh's still looking at tape of
Bud Clark. Hugh, look at that. I'll get to you
in a second. Yeah. Rob Jackson brought up a great
point in the break. If Seattle does indeed use this
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selection here coming up in a second ninety six overall,
thirty second in this round. If they do use that selection,
they go into Day three with just one pick, a
sixth round pick tomorrow, what do they have in terms
of draft equity looking ahead to next season if they
do want to jump into the third day earlier than
that sixth round pick. We've seen them do that. Heck,
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we've seen them trade. We thought they'd been done before
with seventh round picks done, and they've jumped back into
the seventh round so using a future pick. So what
do they have looking ahead to next year in terms
of draft equity if they want to do that?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, I believe that they have all seven of their
selections for next year, plus the four compensatory picks. Now,
of course this is you know, projections, but I expect
Seattle to get an extra fourth round pick due to
the big contract the boy Mafey signed of the Cincinnati Bengals,
as well as three fifth round selections for the deals
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the Canthwalker the third, Kobe Bryant, and Rieq Wollen all signed,
also leaving Seattle. So again, that's going to give Seattle
at least eleven draft picks, and quite possibly more than that.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There's been some talk of them having.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
A a dozen selections next year. And because of that,
with all of those draft assets, and unlikely, you know,
unlikelihood that those players twelve players, eleven players are going
to be able to make this roster a year from now,
then Seattle is going to either be looking to trade
up next year using some of those picks, or trade
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some of those selections next year to get into the
draft this year, as you just mentioned. So I do
think that as a strong possibility, maybe even a likelihood,
that Seawle will be using some of their twenty twenty
seven draft picks to get back into the fold this year.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
And that formula for the compensation has to do with
a few things once the season gets going about about
play snaps and what have you. But there's a threshold
for anything over twenty million equates to a third round,
over fifteen million equates to a fourth round, that type
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of so there's a staggered there's staggered level. And I
think boy Maffy creaked just onto the twenty million for that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Reason, or possibly that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Don't don't quote me, but I believe, and again, even
whatever it is now is subject to refinement. So but
at an event. For those of wondering how it's how
it's determined. How much you assigned for is a big
part of it. And there are no there are no
second there's no second round. You can't you can't, you know,
forty five million, you know, like Malik Willis whatever, Like
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they're not getting a packers aren't getting a second round?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It right?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right? Or third?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Even watch more tape. What do you see from Bud Clark?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, I'm watching the man demand tape exclusively that the
horn Frogs did not play a lot of man and man,
at least when Bud Clark was on the field.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
The NFL tells me that there.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Was twenty six snaps, but of the time, you know,
a quick search on him, he either tackling and he
had two interceptions on those and and really great plays.
I'll get to those in a second. But then the
completions were for five yards four yards in five yards
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when targeting him, so so the ball either didn't go
to him, or the completions were short or he picked
the ball off. He had one against North Carolina. Remember
if you remember that first game, Bill Belichick's very first game,
and that was a disaster. Well, Bud Clark contributed to disaster.
He he was covering in the slot. It was man
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to man. They tried to get a rub on him.
They ran to the flat. He read it, accelerated balls
a little behind, made a play on the ball, picked six,
then another. He had another one in the slot. So
he's playing man and man in the slot. There's enough
grass that he can he has to guard for the
inside breaking route and he posts what have you.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But he but there's.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Also the slot fai receiver comes up, squares them, goes
to the outside and tries to get a slot fade
on him. And then what I liked about it is
he turned and he kept He played the ball while
looking towards the sideline and the player. A lot of
guys will turn their back to the sideline and turn
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their their chest to the middle of the field, and
then they they lose the sense of where the receiver is.
So how he played that and the shoulder that and
how he chose to position his body, I loved it.
He made a great interception. And so so I'm starting
as I'm watching more tape, I'm seeing some plays emerge
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where you say, Okay, this guy's got some coverage skills again,
he's the frail part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I have yet to see. Now.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I'm watching the cover one pass plays obviously, but I
have yet to see him come up and kind of
thump in the matter that we saw Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Kobe Bryan I.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Don't want to make him out to be some cam Chancellor,
but I thought he was. He brought the right amount
of physicality because the more you're in space, physicality matters less.
You just got to get the dude on the ground. Sometimes,
when when you make a tackle in space, you just say,
I don't care if you get him.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
By the ankles, just don't miss the tackle.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Now, do you get into tight quarters and there's a
lot of bodies and you get a chance to drop
the hammer, then then go head hunt, right, But and
that's part of the discretion about how you make your
stamp physically. But I think thus far, you know, I
need to see more on the physical front, But I'm
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liking what I'm seeing on the movement front.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
A little bit of a run on receivers. Zach Ry
Branch from Georgia Speedster wide receiver goes to the Falcons.
He stays in his stage just like Drew Dollard did
Jacoby Lane the wide receiver from USC goes to the
Baltimore Ravens with pick number sixteen here in round number three,
So it'll go mini run on wide receivers. Still with
you who just for a second, we were talking before
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with Softy the ball hawking, the interceptions and the playmakers
and you and you you brought up there's a lot
of different factors that come into that. Let me throw
this at you. Is there anything when we're looking at interceptions,
can you make any type of comparison to sacks in
this way? Like sometimes it's not about the sack, it's
the win rate, the pressure rate, things like that. And
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so sometimes like you can have a guy that's a
terrific pass rusher makes someone else's job very easy or easier.
He doesn't get the sack, but someone else gets the interceptions.
Se Where I'm going with that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, just looking for it like theory and I'll get
I'll go from theory to reality right in a second.
And then and then maybe we can because it get a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Conclusion factor the factors from interceptions bad quarterback throw but
especially in college.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And things like that, and theory, the best cover man
will will never get a chance to be a ballhawk
because quarterbacks will never throw at him. So in theory,
if you had AI's coming in and robots are coming in,
let's just this is a thought experiment. Let's say somehow
you slipped in one of these humanoid robots and that
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like perfect cover guys, doesn't never allows more than three
inches of separation no matter what route you run against him.
That that robot ain't gonna have a single interception or
pass defense because nobody will throw at him. All right,
So if we can lock into that, I played with
Dion Sanders. I was with the Falcons when he got drafted,
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regarded as the best corner. We had a guy on
the other side, Scott Case, went to the Pro Bowl.
Dude had fourteen picks.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In one year. Everybody, he's a ball Like, who's ever
heard of that?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Right, and and then you're like, uh, well, nobody's throwing
a Dion never had fourteen picks. There's no planet, no
universe that he would have fourteen picks.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So ballhawk, Look.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's you want a guy when that when the ball
is thrown to you, that if he can go get it,
that's a great skill. But what I'm trying to say
is the guys that you're only talking about a handful
of plays that are different. The difference I want on
a dude that that can cover ground and be a
sure tackler.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, no, that makes and that makes all sense, or.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Cover and and induce the quarterback sure to go through
his progression.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And he looked at.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Him, say, oh, you know, when I go to uh
to Bud Clark clarks Man, he's the first man in
my progression, he's covered. Let me go to the second
and then and then now all of a sudden secks
come alive because.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Of the coverage.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let me value pick I think so.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean, he was my sixty ninth overall prospect and
he went sixty fourth, So I feel good about the
value there.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
He again the biggest concern I have about him is
the fact that he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds,
as we talked about before, and so there's gonna be
some durability issues there. He's six y one, he's one
hundred and eighty eight pounds, and when you hear those
numbers a lot of times, that equates to having thirty
two plus inch arms. He's got thirty one inch arms,
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So I think that's one of the reasons why he's
AVAILABLET number sixty four overall. Despite the fact that he
had fifteen interceptions over his college career. I mean, those
are pretty remarkable, you know, numbers for a safety. And
it's a huge point. You know, again, if a guy
is in perfect coverage, the quarterback isn't going to throw
the ball in his direction. So there were times that
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he does get himself in and maybe maybe in a
little bit of a difficult position he's got to recover,
but he's got enough speed. I mean he came in
at the combine and ran what a four four to
four one with a one point five six ten yards split.
We talked about the one six ten yards split with
Jadari on Price yesterday. I mean, this is a safety
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who's got you know, explosive closing the ability, he's got
instincts so when the ball is in the air, he
can take it away. And so that's that to me,
is one of the most exciting things about it. And
the fact that he went to the Senior Bowl didn't
have to. I mean, it's the guy who's played awful
lot of football but shows his competitiveness goes to the
Senior Bowl and then splashes there. He had several picks there.
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The SEAHAWKX I mentioned before, Uh, you know Aj Halsey
as being a guy they brought in for a visit
while he was doing his digging, I was doing a
little bit of digging myself. The Seas did in fact
bring Bud Clark in for a visit just recently, and
he's got the temperament that they like as well, so
they're they're pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Les.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, I was going to make a point about the
temperament because we interviewed the entire meetia. I'm not saying
KJR we haven't got him yet, but we we heard
his interview and you could kind of hear his personality
coming out.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He had very brief answers. Right, he's very very short.
You know, he's the opposite of me in that regard.
Nobody said that, but but so his economy words, he's
like he's winning that game over me. But you heard
the energy, Like there's a pop to it, Like he
sounds like a woofer to me, he sounds like a
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guy that Witherspoon and him are going to get along great,
like there he's he's he sounds super charged to me,
and and I don't see anything on the tape that
makes me disagree with that. I've I've seen a couple
few plays where I go, Okay, he's got some dog
in him, you know, and and uh uh Now, I'm
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still haven't unseen that seam route that he went and
played paddy Cake against the Trojans, And that's bothering me.
So it's a mixed bag for me. But at any event,
I do think his personality is one not just to
be a ballhowker he described himself that way, but I
think that that his his competitiveness. I think it fits
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with Seattle. I guarantee you McDonald and Snyder are gonna
come up and talk about his temperament.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, well, I mean it's it's you could hear that
in the conference call that he did, and it's it's
what do they call it, He's a seahawk, right, Like
that's a big dog guy. It's a seahawk. And that's
how he he kind of comes across. And You've always
talked about it with anybody playing in that secondary, you
want you want that guy big, big tires on the
on the car, right, escalade, huge tires, flashy stuff. You want,
you want all that stuff. I want the mustard suit,
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you want the whole line on the charter. As did
you play with Dion? You're all stuff?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So well, I'm just saying, look, I joke, you go.
I promise you, if you if, if you, if you say, okay,
joking aside, I will effing promise you that if you
assign a correlation to good corners and rim sizes, there
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will be a correlation, and it will be a positive correlation.
As the bigger the the the rims the better the play.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now I won't. I'm not saying it's you know, a
hundred would be a that was in correlation.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to see what witherspoon.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And then technically stats say, really, correlation lives in a
world between negative one and one.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But think of it like batting average, like okay, like.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Batting averages is you know, good batting averages is three
twelve ye, So what you really mean is is is
zero point three one two of one? Right, So correlate
you'll you'll find a correlation of about six fifty to
seven hundred on rim size to high production and corner.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Book that a guy that had been talked about a
lot before the draft, by the way, just went to
the Minnesota Vikings. They lolowding up on that D line.
Dominique Gorns just went to UH to Minnesota. Yeah, big
citrus from Iowa State. I'll go back just I'm gonna
look ahead here in a seconds, I think we guess
we'll start looking. Seahawks are about twelve picks away, but
it's going fairly quickly, so we'll have that pick if
they make it at ninety six here soon, and we'll
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take a break before we get to that Jackson. But
I'll go back the loyalty thing. TCU guy been there
for forty six years, right, Regier of the year, UH
covid another year, been there for like probably a guy
that could have gone somewhere else, definitely right and stuck around.
Like that's two guys, they're two for two drafting guys.
If the loyalty factor coming into this guy was obviously
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a leader has a child, like has some responsibilities that
go way beyond football, especially for a guy that's playing
in college football. I just went to college. I couldn't
even imagine having a kid just going to college, much
less having to to actually play football. So there's there's
We talked about checking the boxes for the Seahawks and
Mike McDonald's like, this guy's checking a lot of those boxes.
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You know, personality, just how he talks, how he carries himself,
some of the things you're seeing on tape, loyalty factor up,
all those things. He's checking some of those boxes along the.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Way, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean he's a three time team captain, you know
again with all those interceptions, that to me is the
thing that gets me a little bit excited about. And
just his fit into this defense. You know, it's the
dark side. I mean, they're going to create havoc on
their own. If you had a guy with these heck
the ball skills to that defense. Uh, you know, I
just see a guy that brings some big play ability
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and you lost that. I mean Kobe Bryant had that
and he was the Thorpe Award winner, you know for
crying out loud, So you know you had to replace
some of that. Look, Tyler Connor has a good football player,
but I think that you needed to have another safety
that had real game breaking and potential.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This guy's got I was thinking about ball skills for
a second. There was a safety here a few years
ago that maybe had the worst ball skills of any
defensive back in the history of football. I think, you
know what I'm talking about, the guy that.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Had like three career interceptions.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
The one that ball go through his hands and stuck
in his face. Mask that guy, but sack the quarter
You know I'm being sacked the quarterback on a blitz?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I'm sitting there going they give two
number ones up for this guy, and I look, he's
got three career interceptions.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Let me just check ed Reid.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Sixty five Like, wait a minute, right, But you know,
to the let's get back to the the the loyalty piece,
and I think there's there's really a lot more there
than then maybe meets the eye. I think you really
got to dig on. I for as a fan, it's
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probably the wrong word. Who am I to be proud?
But as a as a seattleite, I'm really proud of
the type of people they bring in here because the
more you dig on, these guys are such good dudes.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And it's not by accident. You know how many how
many you.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Know, knuckle draggers are they really bringing in here, they're not,
you know, and so so they you know, the dean
at the Harvard Business School said that by the time
they filter through their applicants and this is a direct quote,
he could take them and and go play volleyball on
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the beach for two years down in Jamaica and he said,
bring them back, sent them loose, and in twenty years
they're still changing the world because of the selection.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And you fall me, it's not the education, it's the selection.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And on some level, their selection is so meticulous, like they.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Have their filtery.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
They have a vision of Hey, when I see these
traits as a competitor, as a teammate, these traits when
we creep on this guy, when we get and we
learn everything about it, and you know the assistant equipment manager,
you know, does he leave his jock for you to
pick it up or does he put it in the
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bag himself, like like creep on a dude. And once
they come out and they say, we have our standards
for you know, how he conducts himself in a social
institution and his awareness of his role in that this
just happened to be a team. They've got that down
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and just time in again. If the Seahawks bring a
guy in, you can bet your ass that he is
a really good dude. And for every time that you
might be wrong, bet at every time a thousand bucks
because the one time you're wrong, you already made like
eighteen thousand dollars on the guys that you're right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah, no no doubt. All right, let's do this.
Let's get a break in before the next pick. Both
of you have homework in this short little break we're
gonna take. And it is short, by the way, it's
not the normal Kjar break, So if you're listening and
running around, it's way back in just a couple of minutes.
Rob look ahead ninety six. What makes sense? I'm assuming
are there edge rushers out there? There are some? Okay,
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I mean they've gone running back. They've they've they're addressing needs.
There's no doubt about that secondary running back edge rusher
is certainly still a need out there. We'll get Rob
stots on what lies ahead. You go back to the
All twenty two coaches tape and keep looking at Bud Clark.
Tell us what you see there. We'll come back with
more coverage with the Virginia based Athletics Center. Day two
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Speaker 1 (21:07):
Now back to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, presented
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Speaker 6 (21:21):
With the sixty fourth pick in the twenty twenty six
NFO Draft, the world chant Seattle Seahawks select Bud Clark
dB tcud let.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Me h, let me ask you a quick question here, Yeah,
in regards to Bud Clark, because the people are asking
on the text line four nine four to five on
the yeah Koma doage text line. Roughly the same weight
as Devin Witherspoon. Yeah, what's the difference?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Well, uh, they're they're extremely close and their their body
mass index has got to be damn near gloved over.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Mean, what how tall? Exactly? Was six is listed six
feet when he's six one?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah? Actually he's listed at six feet one eighty five
is Devin Witherspoon. That's the Seahawks listing on their official roster.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So so you go six to one and then you
go one to eighty eighth, right, you know, you know
technically that would even lean out a little bit more right, right,
So uh, very similar in traits, you know, just a
little bit more length with with Bud Clark. But Clark,
that's gonna happen. Yeah, but Clark by Clark, Yeah, Okay,
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I thought I was thinking Bud Grant and then yeah
by But let me let me describe a play that
is simultaneously Kobe Bryant's worst play of the year and
Mike McDonald's worst worst play of the year. Okay, And
it happened in the Ram game, the December eight No No, No,
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the Middle Ram game. The Thursday night came. The Rams
were up twenty three fourteen. It is late in the
third quarter and it is a third and short, and
the Rams come out in a two by two and
they have Pooka Nakula in the slot.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
The Ram.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
The Seahawks end up playing a coverage where you've got
manned a man with Kobe Bryant on on Pookin Nakula.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They deny access.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
The tight end is in the slot to Matthew Stafford's left.
They deny the access with Nick imm and Worry. So
if you're Matthew Stafford, you're in shotgun and you're looking
at you going okay, I got a rookie tight end
on my left going up the scene, in which case
he's got Julian Love capped on him, but he's also
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getting re routed by Nick Emman Worry. On the other side,
I got Pooka Nikola with total free access and he's
capped by by Kobe Bryant. Poka Coula comes up, he
does a little sting post, he leans to the corner
and then breaks back to the middle and it's wide
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ass open, and it's fifty eight yards down to the
down to the you know, like four yard line. So
what's the problem there. First of all, I don't like
the free access, and I tell to Mike McDonald right
to his face. And then what I said this morning,
I wouldn't trade Mike McDonald for one coach in the NFL,
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none of all the coaches in the history of you
and I are seatleites. There's there's been four professional teams
in our lifetime, and then the Huskies football and basketball.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's six teams.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
You take all the coaches of all the years going
back to the early seventies. Mike McDonald's my top three
favorite coaches of all teams in his in my cognitive history.
I love Mike McDonald, but that is a that is
a terrible call right now. I don't think he would
do that if he had Ed Reid or Troy poul
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Moo or Ronnie Lott. That's just a bad matchup for
any safety. But I think that he wants to have
as much coverage as he can. So you're getting a
dude in Bud Clark that you know, I'm watching the
one on one tape with him, and I'm seeing I'm seeing,
you know, like like his feet are like a corner
yet And so I think that that Kobe Bryant again
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was a corner at Cincinnati. Put him in Nickel and
then originally with Pete and then he found a home
in the back end with Mike McDonald. But a relatively
lean guy and a good cover guy, but not good
enough to cover pookin the cool But I think I
think just the idea that Mike McDonald put him in
that situation lets you know that he has an ex
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expectation of hope for what safety can do. Uh, that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, I'm going back to the Witherspoon weight though I
guess weight concerns.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It was with concern.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't think do we talk about Witherspoon. I'm just
I'm asking this, not being sarcat DoD we talk about
Witherspoon's weight.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Absolutely, okay, because I said right before the draft and
I said it in the in the I would have
taken Carter who went to the Eagles of Night. Okay,
That's who I wanted him to take at five. And
when he was drafted, like whoa you got? And at
that time, you know, he was mainly a corner. He's
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mainly mainly a right corner for Illinois, and so I
didn't know to the degree to which they play him. Now,
his first year he played a lot more nickel. I'm
gonna pull it up here in a minute. But this
last year with with Mike McDonald, Witherspoon has played less
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in the slot as a nickel than in any year.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And so and I think that's a good move.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
In fact, we talked about that in the summer, like
you want to preserve this guy, you know, have him
played corner.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know, we had a guy, you.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Know what I'm taking on the bigger bodies in the
box and things like that.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a crazy uh
An analogy, but you're gonna get So when I coached
out at Mount Side, way to do, I'll just say
his name is Colby, and is it isn't that is
his name? Colby was at a time our best running back,
but he had a couple of concussions. And you know,
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I go to the head coach, I go, hey, we
need even though Colby's our best running back, let's put
him out at Let's have a position change. Put him
at wide receiver because he'll still he'll still contribute to
the football team, but at least he'll be on the
damn field. Having him at running back and he keeps getting.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
These concussions isn't helping us, right.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
So so so there's this the idea that if if
you think he's tried, Joel, move him outside.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So same thing with Witherspoon. How many games did he
miss this.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Year or two one?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I'll look, I'll look at it. How many how many
is it did he miss? I mean he had a
couple of last year. He had two different injuries that
that caused him to miss.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Games, right, right? Do you remember what?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I believe there was a soft tissue injury one of
them was. It wasn't it, But it doesn't matter. But
I'm just I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, but he missed
a game in play seventeen.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But he had two.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Different injuries, yeah, in twenty twenty four. And we'll get
that during the commercial, just for a housekeeping butting. The
idea would be like, hey, I know, he's a he's
a uh, you know, he's a spark plug. He's he's
a live wire as a nickel. But would we rather
have a live wire who misses games or would we
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rather have him put him outside and let and let
him play more games? He missed five games last year,
this last year, Yeah, and then what did he miss
in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
None?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But he missed three and twenty twenty three. Okay, well
he's missed eight games over three years. Yeah, that's not
the most terrible player. I mean, that's yeah. I mean,
I just I don't know, I think your point, you're
making your point. I mean, he's missed games. Yeah, you're
trying to protect him that you put him outside, and
so the one eighty eight is is they'll find a
place for him as they did for Witherspoon, that puts
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him of the best position to succeed, et cetera. Let me,
let's let's move on, because we're getting closer and closer. Rob,
what are we looking at in terms of ninety six?
What's what's there?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And would we.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Agree that an edge rusher is kind of top of
the wish list right now if nothing else.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh, I still think corner is the possibility. But yeah,
let's go edge rusher for a moment. You know, there
are six guys that I think are especially intriguing that
are still available. Uh five probably candidates that should go
in the next you know, twenty thirty pictures. So and
the one that's one of my sleepers that I know,
Seatle has shown some interest in the I'm gonna mention
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as well. Joshua Joseph's is the edge from Tennessee. He's
got that twitch. Jayshawn barm is another one who's got
some twitch to Him's former linebacker go the Winton, Michigan
He could check some box boxes.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
He would probably be.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
The if I had to kind of hedge a bet,
and you know he might be the guy that I
would mention here. One of my personal favorites, a little
bit stumpier, very physical at the point of attack, is
Wesley Williams from Duke. Not necessarily the twitchy, but he's
one of the players that I just pound the table for.
This guy is gonna get a second contract in the
NFL just because he's he's violent the point of attack.
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He strikes me as a sea hockey type of player
in that regard. But isn't the quick twitch edge rusher
that I think that they're looking for as a replacement
for boy Mafe Mason Roger from Wisconsin, Cayden Curry from
Ohio State, or more of those kind of try hard
guys that you can you can win with, but you're
not gonna win because of so to speak. And then
finally the kind of sleeper, a guy I've been watching
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here for a couple of years now, maybe to see
if I can get him up North play for my BC.
But he went from Idaho to New Mexico. And that's
Keishan James Newby, who is one of the twitchiest edge
rushers in this entire class, and so he would make
some sense. I think it's a little bit rich to
think about him at number ninety six overall, but I
don't think that he's gonna get all the way down
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to one eighty eight. So if the Seahawks don't have
if they're not feeling good about trading back into this
draft or getting something in between this ninety six and
one eighty eight, then that maybe they are willing to
go for him here. It would be panned by some
as a reach, not for me, just because I think
that the guy has real closing speed and burst up
upfield and then really quickly corners. Same kind of story here.
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I'm gonna throw out five names here that I think
makes some sense. I talked about a couple of guys
that are short, squady or more of that kind of
classic nickel guy. Keith Abney from Arizona State, Malik Muhammad
from Texas. I'm stunned is still on the board. Excuse me.
Dalen Everett from Georgia just went off the board a
moment ago, so he is now no longer on this list.
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But Keith Abney, Malik mcdumb, Malik Muhammad from Texas, let's
see uh JAYD and Kennedy. Another kind of a nickel
guy Uh Chandler Rivers is a player actually I projected
the Seahawks to take it number nine six overall in
the last Monck Draft I did for for Seahawks dot Com.
And then another kind of sleeper player and that being
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Julian Neal Uh player that I watched a little bit
of Fresno States and then he and he was okay,
and then he goes to Arkansas last this year guys and.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Absolutely explodes there.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And another player that that had a really nice performance
at the Senior Bowl and then worked out really well
off the combine as well.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So if you're betting on.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Traits, Julian Neil is somebody that would make an awful
lot of sense as well, if you're gonna you know, again,
if I had to put five bucks on it, who
I think that the Seahawks might select, I would go
with either Malik Muhammad, the corner from Texas or the
the edge rusher Jayshaan Barham from Michigan.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
What do we should we talk about McCoy from Tennessee
the injuries? Yeah, sure, I mean you had him a
lot of people had him really high. There has to
be a red flag there right. Oh, the medical, no
question about it. I mean, I mean, like we all
knew the medical, but like this is a significant like
like for all these teams to pass on him and
all these corners a go before him. Yeah, but the
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talent's there, right.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It is.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And I had him as a twentieth overall to the
Dallas Cowboys and in the mock draft I wrote this
weekend this past weekend on Sunday, turned it into Fox
Sports has done and then got some buzz that he
was going to fall and potentially fall hard. So he
was the very last player I made any adjustment on
to him out of my mock draft and put him
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to the Cowboys, I believe in the second round of
the mock draft. Wasn't expecting that he would be available
this late, but I was told that he was not
going to be a first round selection. So that's the
fact that people reached out to me, you know. And
now he's fallen this far, you know, maybe it is something.
I mean, we've been using that term degenerative and if
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that is the key, if that is how the NFL
teams feel, you know, they he may make sure Door
Sanders fall here you know, look like nothing. Yeah, you know,
this could be a lot worse than that.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah, he had a he had a torn a c
l that that should not account for this reports surface late.
I think the last week might have even been earlier
this week that they've discovered some degenerative elements to his
knee through the image gene and what have you. Degenerative
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is about as desirable a word in a draft room
as pedophile. Not to make light of that, obviously, but
like all the words you don't want uttered in a
in a draft room. Yeah, you know, degenerative what what
like that? Everybody's like, who said degenerative?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Because because you know, that means you could only have
a guy for two or three years and then and
then maybe he can still play with his kids, maybe
he can still golf, but he can't play NFL football.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Right right, So all right, that's the guy. Let's do this, Jackson.
Let's get one more break in. Seahawks getting closer to
their selections, will squeeze a break in here real quick.
At two minute break raiders on the clock on number
twenty seven, So when we come back, we'll be moments
away from the next pick by the Seahawks thirty second
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, we're back at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center
and Fortes sitting in is softy. Has he has fulfilled
his draft duties?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
He has gone.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's much quieter in the building now and we're all
better for it. No, we kid, we kid because we
love all right, So let's rob rang has joined us
now for the next couple of hours, however long it
takes to see the whites of the eyes of John
Schneider and Mike McDonald in a couple of minutes if
you're just joining us. The Seahawks did make a selection
of the second round, one of to their schedule to
have today thirty second pick in the second round, sixty
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fourth overall, and that was Bud Clark, the we'll just
call him defensive back out of TCU. He joins Jadarian Price,
the running back from notre picked yesterday with the thirty
second pick, in the first round. Before we get more
into Bud Clark, let's look a little bit ahead. Seattle
does have the thirty second pick in this round, the
third round, which is well underway. A little bit of
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a run on quarterbacks has taken place in this round
as well, as we have seen. Carson Beck go sixty
fifth overall, which is number one in the third round
to the Arizona Cardinals. So the Cardinals do get a
quarterback in the draft as was expected. Drew Aller, another quarterback,
the quarterback out of penn State, goes number twelve. He
doesn't leave the state of Pennsylvania. He stays there with
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the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the Colts have a pick in
Falcons are on the clock. We'll kind of keep an
eye anything that jumps out at us. That's newsworthy. But
we're a little Seahawks centric here as we look ahead
to the third round. Hugh's still looking at tape of
Bud Clark. Hugh, look at that. I'll get to you
in a second. Yeah. Rob Jackson brought up a great
point in the break. If Seattle does indeed use this
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selection here coming up in a second ninety six overall,
thirty second in this round. If they do use that selection,
they go into Day three with just one pick, a
sixth round pick tomorrow, what do they have in terms
of draft equity looking ahead to next season if they
do want to jump into the third day earlier than
that sixth round pick. We've seen them do that. Heck,
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we've seen them trade. We thought they'd been done before
with seventh round picks done, and they've jumped back into
the seventh round so using a future pick. So what
do they have looking ahead to next year in terms
of draft equity if they want to do that?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, I believe that they have all seven of their
selections for next year, plus the four compensatory picks. Now,
of course this is you know, projections, but I expect
Seattle to get an extra fourth round pick due to
the big contract the boy Mafey signed of the Cincinnati Bengals,
as well as three fifth round selections for the deals
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the Canthwalker the third, Kobe Bryant, and Rieq Wollen all signed,
also leaving Seattle. So again, that's going to give Seattle
at least eleven draft picks, and quite possibly more than that.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There's been some talk of them having.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
A a dozen selections next year. And because of that,
with all of those draft assets, and unlikely, you know,
unlikelihood that those players twelve players, eleven players are going
to be able to make this roster a year from now,
then Seattle is going to either be looking to trade
up next year using some of those picks, or trade
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some of those selections next year to get into the
draft this year, as you just mentioned. So I do
think that as a strong possibility, maybe even a likelihood,
that Seawle will be using some of their twenty twenty
seven draft picks to get back into the fold this year.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
And that formula for the compensation has to do with
a few things once the season gets going about about
play snaps and what have you. But there's a threshold
for anything over twenty million equates to a third round,
over fifteen million equates to a fourth round, that type
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of so there's a staggered there's staggered level. And I
think boy Maffy creaked just onto the twenty million for that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Reason, or possibly that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Don't don't quote me, but I believe, and again, even
whatever it is now is subject to refinement. So but
at an event. For those of wondering how it's how
it's determined. How much you assigned for is a big
part of it. And there are no there are no
second there's no second round. You can't you can't, you know,
forty five million, you know, like Malik Willis whatever, Like
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they're not getting a packers aren't getting a second round?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
It right?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right? Or third?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Even watch more tape. What do you see from Bud Clark?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well, I'm watching the man demand tape exclusively that the
horn Frogs did not play a lot of man and man,
at least when Bud Clark was on the field.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
The NFL tells me that there.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Was twenty six snaps, but of the time, you know,
a quick search on him, he either tackling and he
had two interceptions on those and and really great plays.
I'll get to those in a second. But then the
completions were for five yards four yards in five yards
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when targeting him, so so the ball either didn't go
to him, or the completions were short or he picked
the ball off. He had one against North Carolina. Remember
if you remember that first game, Bill Belichick's very first game,
and that was a disaster. Well, Bud Clark contributed to disaster.
He he was covering in the slot. It was man
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to man. They tried to get a rub on him.
They ran to the flat. He read it, accelerated balls
a little behind, made a play on the ball, picked six,
then another. He had another one in the slot. So
he's playing man and man in the slot. There's enough
grass that he can he has to guard for the
inside breaking route and he posts what have you.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But he but there's.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Also the slot fai receiver comes up, squares them, goes
to the outside and tries to get a slot fade
on him. And then what I liked about it is
he turned and he kept He played the ball while
looking towards the sideline and the player. A lot of
guys will turn their back to the sideline and turn
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their their chest to the middle of the field, and
then they they lose the sense of where the receiver is.
So how he played that and the shoulder that and
how he chose to position his body, I loved it.
He made a great interception. And so so I'm starting
as I'm watching more tape, I'm seeing some plays emerge
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where you say, Okay, this guy's got some coverage skills again,
he's the frail part of it.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I have yet to see. Now.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
I'm watching the cover one pass plays obviously, but I
have yet to see him come up and kind of
thump in the matter that we saw Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Kobe Bryan I.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Don't want to make him out to be some cam Chancellor,
but I thought he was. He brought the right amount
of physicality because the more you're in space, physicality matters less.
You just got to get the dude on the ground. Sometimes,
when when you make a tackle in space, you just say,
I don't care if you get him.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
By the ankles, just don't miss the tackle.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Now, do you get into tight quarters and there's a
lot of bodies and you get a chance to drop
the hammer, then then go head hunt, right, But and
that's part of the discretion about how you make your
stamp physically. But I think thus far, you know, I
need to see more on the physical front, But I'm
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liking what I'm seeing on the movement front.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
A little bit of a run on receivers. Zach Ry
Branch from Georgia Speedster wide receiver goes to the Falcons.
He stays in his stage just like Drew Dollard did
Jacoby Lane the wide receiver from USC goes to the
Baltimore Ravens with pick number sixteen here in round number three,
So it'll go mini run on wide receivers. Still with
you who just for a second, we were talking before
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with Softy the ball hawking, the interceptions and the playmakers
and you and you you brought up there's a lot
of different factors that come into that. Let me throw
this at you. Is there anything when we're looking at interceptions,
can you make any type of comparison to sacks in
this way? Like sometimes it's not about the sack, it's
the win rate, the pressure rate, things like that. And
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so sometimes like you can have a guy that's a
terrific pass rusher makes someone else's job very easy or easier.
He doesn't get the sack, but someone else gets the interceptions.
Se Where I'm going with that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Well, just looking for it like theory and I'll get
I'll go from theory to reality right in a second.
And then and then maybe we can because it get a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Conclusion factor the factors from interceptions bad quarterback throw but
especially in college.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And things like that, and theory, the best cover man
will will never get a chance to be a ballhawk
because quarterbacks will never throw at him. So in theory,
if you had AI's coming in and robots are coming in,
let's just this is a thought experiment. Let's say somehow
you slipped in one of these humanoid robots and that
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like perfect cover guys, doesn't never allows more than three
inches of separation no matter what route you run against him.
That that robot ain't gonna have a single interception or
pass defense because nobody will throw at him. All right,
So if we can lock into that, I played with
Dion Sanders. I was with the Falcons when he got drafted,
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regarded as the best corner. We had a guy on
the other side, Scott Case, went to the Pro Bowl.
Dude had fourteen picks.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In one year. Everybody, he's a ball Like, who's ever
heard of that?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Right, and and then you're like, uh, well, nobody's throwing
a Dion never had fourteen picks. There's no planet, no
universe that he would have fourteen picks.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So ballhawk, Look.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's you want a guy when that when the ball
is thrown to you, that if he can go get it,
that's a great skill. But what I'm trying to say
is the guys that you're only talking about a handful
of plays that are different. The difference I want on
a dude that that can cover ground and be a
sure tackler.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, no, that makes and that makes all sense, or.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Cover and and induce the quarterback sure to go through
his progression.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And he looked at.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Him, say, oh, you know, when I go to uh
to Bud Clark clarks Man, he's the first man in
my progression, he's covered. Let me go to the second
and then and then now all of a sudden secks
come alive because.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Of the coverage.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Let me value pick I think so.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean, he was my sixty ninth overall prospect and
he went sixty fourth, So I feel good about the
value there.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
He again the biggest concern I have about him is
the fact that he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds,
as we talked about before, and so there's gonna be
some durability issues there. He's six y one, he's one
hundred and eighty eight pounds, and when you hear those
numbers a lot of times, that equates to having thirty
two plus inch arms. He's got thirty one inch arms,
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So I think that's one of the reasons why he's
AVAILABLET number sixty four overall. Despite the fact that he
had fifteen interceptions over his college career. I mean, those
are pretty remarkable, you know, numbers for a safety. And
it's a huge point. You know, again, if a guy
is in perfect coverage, the quarterback isn't going to throw
the ball in his direction. So there were times that
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he does get himself in and maybe maybe in a
little bit of a difficult position he's got to recover,
but he's got enough speed. I mean he came in
at the combine and ran what a four four to
four one with a one point five six ten yards split.
We talked about the one six ten yards split with
Jadari on Price yesterday. I mean, this is a safety
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who's got you know, explosive closing the ability, he's got
instincts so when the ball is in the air, he
can take it away. And so that's that to me,
is one of the most exciting things about it. And
the fact that he went to the Senior Bowl didn't
have to. I mean, it's the guy who's played awful
lot of football but shows his competitiveness goes to the
Senior Bowl and then splashes there. He had several picks there.
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The SEAHAWKX I mentioned before, Uh, you know Aj Halsey
as being a guy they brought in for a visit
while he was doing his digging, I was doing a
little bit of digging myself. The Seas did in fact
bring Bud Clark in for a visit just recently, and
he's got the temperament that they like as well, so
they're they're pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Les.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, I was going to make a point about the
temperament because we interviewed the entire meetia. I'm not saying
KJR we haven't got him yet, but we we heard
his interview and you could kind of hear his personality
coming out.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He had very brief answers. Right, he's very very short.
You know, he's the opposite of me in that regard.
Nobody said that, but but so his economy words, he's
like he's winning that game over me. But you heard
the energy, Like there's a pop to it, Like he
sounds like a woofer to me, he sounds like a
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guy that Witherspoon and him are going to get along great,
like there he's he's he sounds super charged to me,
and and I don't see anything on the tape that
makes me disagree with that. I've I've seen a couple
few plays where I go, Okay, he's got some dog
in him, you know, and and uh uh Now, I'm
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still haven't unseen that seam route that he went and
played paddy Cake against the Trojans, And that's bothering me.
So it's a mixed bag for me. But at any event,
I do think his personality is one not just to
be a ballhowker he described himself that way, but I
think that that his his competitiveness. I think it fits
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with Seattle. I guarantee you McDonald and Snyder are gonna
come up and talk about his temperament.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, well, I mean it's it's you could hear that
in the conference call that he did, and it's it's
what do they call it, He's a seahawk, right, Like
that's a big dog guy. It's a seahawk. And that's
how he he kind of comes across. And You've always
talked about it with anybody playing in that secondary, you
want you want that guy big, big tires on the
on the car, right, escalade, huge tires, flashy stuff. You want,
you want all that stuff. I want the mustard suit,
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you want the whole line on the charter. As did
you play with Dion? You're all stuff?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So well, I'm just saying, look, I joke, you go.
I promise you, if you if, if you, if you say, okay,
joking aside, I will effing promise you that if you
assign a correlation to good corners and rim sizes, there
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will be a correlation, and it will be a positive correlation.
As the bigger the the the rims the better the play.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Now I won't. I'm not saying it's you know, a
hundred would be a that was in correlation.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to see what witherspoon.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And then technically stats say, really, correlation lives in a
world between negative one and one.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But think of it like batting average, like okay, like.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Batting averages is you know, good batting averages is three
twelve ye, So what you really mean is is is
zero point three one two of one? Right, So correlate
you'll you'll find a correlation of about six fifty to
seven hundred on rim size to high production and corner.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Book that a guy that had been talked about a
lot before the draft, by the way, just went to
the Minnesota Vikings. They lolowding up on that D line.
Dominique Gorns just went to UH to Minnesota. Yeah, big
citrus from Iowa State. I'll go back just I'm gonna
look ahead here in a seconds, I think we guess
we'll start looking. Seahawks are about twelve picks away, but
it's going fairly quickly, so we'll have that pick if
they make it at ninety six here soon, and we'll
(15:52):
take a break before we get to that Jackson. But
I'll go back the loyalty thing. TCU guy been there
for forty six years, right, Regier of the year, UH
covid another year, been there for like probably a guy
that could have gone somewhere else, definitely right and stuck around.
Like that's two guys, they're two for two drafting guys.
If the loyalty factor coming into this guy was obviously
(16:13):
a leader has a child, like has some responsibilities that
go way beyond football, especially for a guy that's playing
in college football. I just went to college. I couldn't
even imagine having a kid just going to college, much
less having to to actually play football. So there's there's
We talked about checking the boxes for the Seahawks and
Mike McDonald's like, this guy's checking a lot of those boxes.
(16:35):
You know, personality, just how he talks, how he carries himself,
some of the things you're seeing on tape, loyalty factor up,
all those things. He's checking some of those boxes along the.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Way, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean he's a three time team captain, you know
again with all those interceptions, that to me is the
thing that gets me a little bit excited about. And
just his fit into this defense. You know, it's the
dark side. I mean, they're going to create havoc on
their own. If you had a guy with these heck
the ball skills to that defense. Uh, you know, I
just see a guy that brings some big play ability
(17:07):
and you lost that. I mean Kobe Bryant had that
and he was the Thorpe Award winner, you know for
crying out loud, So you know you had to replace
some of that. Look, Tyler Connor has a good football player,
but I think that you needed to have another safety
that had real game breaking and potential.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This guy's got I was thinking about ball skills for
a second. There was a safety here a few years
ago that maybe had the worst ball skills of any
defensive back in the history of football. I think, you
know what I'm talking about, the guy that.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Had like three career interceptions.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
The one that ball go through his hands and stuck
in his face. Mask that guy, but sack the quarter
You know I'm being sacked the quarterback on a blitz?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I'm sitting there going they give two
number ones up for this guy, and I look, he's
got three career interceptions.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Let me just check ed Reid.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Sixty five Like, wait a minute, right, But you know,
to the let's get back to the the the loyalty piece,
and I think there's there's really a lot more there
than then maybe meets the eye. I think you really
got to dig on. I for as a fan, it's
(18:14):
probably the wrong word. Who am I to be proud?
But as a as a seattleite, I'm really proud of
the type of people they bring in here because the
more you dig on, these guys are such good dudes.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And it's not by accident. You know how many how
many you.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Know, knuckle draggers are they really bringing in here, they're not,
you know, and so so they you know, the dean
at the Harvard Business School said that by the time
they filter through their applicants and this is a direct quote,
he could take them and and go play volleyball on
(18:54):
the beach for two years down in Jamaica and he said,
bring them back, sent them loose, and in twenty years
they're still changing the world because of the selection.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And you fall me, it's not the education, it's the selection.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And on some level, their selection is so meticulous, like they.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Have their filtery.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
They have a vision of Hey, when I see these
traits as a competitor, as a teammate, these traits when
we creep on this guy, when we get and we
learn everything about it, and you know the assistant equipment manager,
you know, does he leave his jock for you to
pick it up or does he put it in the
(19:40):
bag himself, like like creep on a dude. And once
they come out and they say, we have our standards
for you know, how he conducts himself in a social
institution and his awareness of his role in that this
just happened to be a team. They've got that down
(20:01):
and just time in again. If the Seahawks bring a
guy in, you can bet your ass that he is
a really good dude. And for every time that you
might be wrong, bet at every time a thousand bucks
because the one time you're wrong, you already made like
eighteen thousand dollars on the guys that you're right.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah, no no doubt. All right, let's do this.
Let's get a break in before the next pick. Both
of you have homework in this short little break we're
gonna take. And it is short, by the way, it's
not the normal Kjar break, So if you're listening and
running around, it's way back in just a couple of minutes.
Rob look ahead ninety six. What makes sense? I'm assuming
are there edge rushers out there? There are some? Okay,
(20:41):
I mean they've gone running back. They've they've they're addressing needs.
There's no doubt about that secondary running back edge rusher
is certainly still a need out there. We'll get Rob
stots on what lies ahead. You go back to the
All twenty two coaches tape and keep looking at Bud Clark.
Tell us what you see there. We'll come back with
more coverage with the Virginia based Athletics Center. Day two
of the NFL Draft were in round three, Seahawks getting
close to making that selection right here on ninety three
(21:03):
point three kJ FM.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Now back to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, presented
by Frost Brumin Coor's Luck Cold is the Rookies and
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Speaker 6 (21:21):
With the sixty fourth pick in the twenty twenty six
NFO Draft, the world chant Seattle Seahawks select Bud Clark
dB tcud let.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Me h, let me ask you a quick question here, Yeah,
in regards to Bud Clark, because the people are asking
on the text line four nine four to five on
the yeah Koma doage text line. Roughly the same weight
as Devin Witherspoon. Yeah, what's the difference?
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Well, uh, they're they're extremely close and their their body
mass index has got to be damn near gloved over.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Mean, what how tall? Exactly? Was six is listed six
feet when he's six one?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah? Actually he's listed at six feet one eighty five
is Devin Witherspoon. That's the Seahawks listing on their official roster.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
So so you go six to one and then you
go one to eighty eighth, right, you know, you know
technically that would even lean out a little bit more right, right,
So uh, very similar in traits, you know, just a
little bit more length with with Bud Clark. But Clark,
that's gonna happen. Yeah, but Clark by Clark, Yeah, Okay,
(22:35):
I thought I was thinking Bud Grant and then yeah
by But let me let me describe a play that
is simultaneously Kobe Bryant's worst play of the year and
Mike McDonald's worst worst play of the year. Okay, And
it happened in the Ram game, the December eight No No, No,
(22:58):
the Middle Ram game. The Thursday night came. The Rams
were up twenty three fourteen. It is late in the
third quarter and it is a third and short, and
the Rams come out in a two by two and
they have Pooka Nakula in the slot.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
The Ram.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
The Seahawks end up playing a coverage where you've got
manned a man with Kobe Bryant on on Pookin Nakula.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They deny access.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
The tight end is in the slot to Matthew Stafford's left.
They deny the access with Nick imm and Worry. So
if you're Matthew Stafford, you're in shotgun and you're looking
at you going okay, I got a rookie tight end
on my left going up the scene, in which case
he's got Julian Love capped on him, but he's also
(23:58):
getting re routed by Nick Emman Worry. On the other side,
I got Pooka Nikola with total free access and he's
capped by by Kobe Bryant. Poka Coula comes up, he
does a little sting post, he leans to the corner
and then breaks back to the middle and it's wide
(24:19):
ass open, and it's fifty eight yards down to the
down to the you know, like four yard line. So
what's the problem there. First of all, I don't like
the free access, and I tell to Mike McDonald right
to his face. And then what I said this morning,
I wouldn't trade Mike McDonald for one coach in the NFL,
(24:40):
none of all the coaches in the history of you
and I are seatleites. There's there's been four professional teams
in our lifetime, and then the Huskies football and basketball.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's six teams.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
You take all the coaches of all the years going
back to the early seventies. Mike McDonald's my top three
favorite coaches of all teams in his in my cognitive history.
I love Mike McDonald, but that is a that is
a terrible call right now. I don't think he would
do that if he had Ed Reid or Troy poul
(25:13):
Moo or Ronnie Lott. That's just a bad matchup for
any safety. But I think that he wants to have
as much coverage as he can. So you're getting a
dude in Bud Clark that you know, I'm watching the
one on one tape with him, and I'm seeing I'm seeing,
you know, like like his feet are like a corner
yet And so I think that that Kobe Bryant again
(25:36):
was a corner at Cincinnati. Put him in Nickel and
then originally with Pete and then he found a home
in the back end with Mike McDonald. But a relatively
lean guy and a good cover guy, but not good
enough to cover pookin the cool But I think I
think just the idea that Mike McDonald put him in
that situation lets you know that he has an ex
(25:58):
expectation of hope for what safety can do. Uh, that
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, I'm going back to the Witherspoon weight though I
guess weight concerns.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
It was with concern.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I don't think do we talk about Witherspoon. I'm just
I'm asking this, not being sarcat DoD we talk about
Witherspoon's weight.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Absolutely, okay, because I said right before the draft and
I said it in the in the I would have
taken Carter who went to the Eagles of Night. Okay,
That's who I wanted him to take at five. And
when he was drafted, like whoa you got? And at
that time, you know, he was mainly a corner. He's
(26:36):
mainly mainly a right corner for Illinois, and so I
didn't know to the degree to which they play him. Now,
his first year he played a lot more nickel. I'm
gonna pull it up here in a minute. But this
last year with with Mike McDonald, Witherspoon has played less
(26:57):
in the slot as a nickel than in any year.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And so and I think that's a good move.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
In fact, we talked about that in the summer, like
you want to preserve this guy, you know, have him
played corner.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know, we had a guy, you.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Know what I'm taking on the bigger bodies in the
box and things like that.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a crazy uh
An analogy, but you're gonna get So when I coached
out at Mount Side, way to do, I'll just say
his name is Colby, and is it isn't that is
his name? Colby was at a time our best running back,
but he had a couple of concussions. And you know,
(27:35):
I go to the head coach, I go, hey, we
need even though Colby's our best running back, let's put
him out at Let's have a position change. Put him
at wide receiver because he'll still he'll still contribute to
the football team, but at least he'll be on the
damn field. Having him at running back and he keeps getting.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
These concussions isn't helping us, right.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
So so so there's this the idea that if if
you think he's tried, Joel, move him outside.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So same thing with Witherspoon. How many games did he
miss this.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Year or two one?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
I'll look, I'll look at it. How many how many
is it did he miss? I mean he had a
couple of last year. He had two different injuries that
that caused him to miss.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Games, right, right? Do you remember what?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I believe there was a soft tissue injury one of
them was. It wasn't it, But it doesn't matter. But
I'm just I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, but he missed
a game in play seventeen.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But he had two.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Different injuries, yeah, in twenty twenty four. And we'll get
that during the commercial, just for a housekeeping butting. The
idea would be like, hey, I know, he's a he's
a uh, you know, he's a spark plug. He's he's
a live wire as a nickel. But would we rather
have a live wire who misses games or would we
(28:52):
rather have him put him outside and let and let
him play more games? He missed five games last year,
this last year, Yeah, and then what did he miss
in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
None?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But he missed three and twenty twenty three. Okay, well
he's missed eight games over three years. Yeah, that's not
the most terrible player. I mean, that's yeah. I mean,
I just I don't know, I think your point, you're
making your point. I mean, he's missed games. Yeah, you're
trying to protect him that you put him outside, and
so the one eighty eight is is they'll find a
place for him as they did for Witherspoon, that puts
(29:23):
him of the best position to succeed, et cetera. Let me,
let's let's move on, because we're getting closer and closer. Rob,
what are we looking at in terms of ninety six?
What's what's there?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And would we.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Agree that an edge rusher is kind of top of
the wish list right now if nothing else.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Oh, I still think corner is the possibility. But yeah,
let's go edge rusher for a moment. You know, there
are six guys that I think are especially intriguing that
are still available. Uh five probably candidates that should go
in the next you know, twenty thirty pictures. So and
the one that's one of my sleepers that I know,
Seatle has shown some interest in the I'm gonna mention
(29:59):
as well. Joshua Joseph's is the edge from Tennessee. He's
got that twitch. Jayshawn barm is another one who's got
some twitch to Him's former linebacker go the Winton, Michigan
He could check some box boxes.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
He would probably be.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
The if I had to kind of hedge a bet,
and you know he might be the guy that I
would mention here. One of my personal favorites, a little
bit stumpier, very physical at the point of attack, is
Wesley Williams from Duke. Not necessarily the twitchy, but he's
one of the players that I just pound the table for.
This guy is gonna get a second contract in the
NFL just because he's he's violent the point of attack.
(30:33):
He strikes me as a sea hockey type of player
in that regard. But isn't the quick twitch edge rusher
that I think that they're looking for as a replacement
for boy Mafe Mason Roger from Wisconsin, Cayden Curry from
Ohio State, or more of those kind of try hard
guys that you can you can win with, but you're
not gonna win because of so to speak. And then
finally the kind of sleeper, a guy I've been watching
(30:55):
here for a couple of years now, maybe to see
if I can get him up North play for my BC.
But he went from Idaho to New Mexico. And that's
Keishan James Newby, who is one of the twitchiest edge
rushers in this entire class, and so he would make
some sense. I think it's a little bit rich to
think about him at number ninety six overall, but I
don't think that he's gonna get all the way down
(31:16):
to one eighty eight. So if the Seahawks don't have
if they're not feeling good about trading back into this
draft or getting something in between this ninety six and
one eighty eight, then that maybe they are willing to
go for him here. It would be panned by some
as a reach, not for me, just because I think
that the guy has real closing speed and burst up
upfield and then really quickly corners. Same kind of story here.
(31:39):
I'm gonna throw out five names here that I think
makes some sense. I talked about a couple of guys
that are short, squady or more of that kind of
classic nickel guy. Keith Abney from Arizona State, Malik Muhammad
from Texas. I'm stunned is still on the board. Excuse me.
Dalen Everett from Georgia just went off the board a
moment ago, so he is now no longer on this list.
(32:01):
But Keith Abney, Malik mcdumb, Malik Muhammad from Texas, let's
see uh JAYD and Kennedy. Another kind of a nickel
guy Uh Chandler Rivers is a player actually I projected
the Seahawks to take it number nine six overall in
the last Monck Draft I did for for Seahawks dot Com.
And then another kind of sleeper player and that being
(32:23):
Julian Neal Uh player that I watched a little bit
of Fresno States and then he and he was okay,
and then he goes to Arkansas last this year guys and.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Absolutely explodes there.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And another player that that had a really nice performance
at the Senior Bowl and then worked out really well
off the combine as well.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
So if you're betting on.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Traits, Julian Neil is somebody that would make an awful
lot of sense as well, if you're gonna you know, again,
if I had to put five bucks on it, who
I think that the Seahawks might select, I would go
with either Malik Muhammad, the corner from Texas or the
the edge rusher Jayshaan Barham from Michigan.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
What do we should we talk about McCoy from Tennessee
the injuries? Yeah, sure, I mean you had him a
lot of people had him really high. There has to
be a red flag there right. Oh, the medical, no
question about it. I mean, I mean, like we all
knew the medical, but like this is a significant like
like for all these teams to pass on him and
all these corners a go before him. Yeah, but the
(33:21):
talent's there, right.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It is.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
And I had him as a twentieth overall to the
Dallas Cowboys and in the mock draft I wrote this
weekend this past weekend on Sunday, turned it into Fox
Sports has done and then got some buzz that he
was going to fall and potentially fall hard. So he
was the very last player I made any adjustment on
to him out of my mock draft and put him
(33:44):
to the Cowboys, I believe in the second round of
the mock draft. Wasn't expecting that he would be available
this late, but I was told that he was not
going to be a first round selection. So that's the
fact that people reached out to me, you know. And
now he's fallen this far, you know, maybe it is something.
I mean, we've been using that term degenerative and if
(34:04):
that is the key, if that is how the NFL
teams feel, you know, they he may make sure Door
Sanders fall here you know, look like nothing. Yeah, you know,
this could be a lot worse than that.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah, he had a he had a torn a c
l that that should not account for this reports surface late.
I think the last week might have even been earlier
this week that they've discovered some degenerative elements to his
knee through the image gene and what have you. Degenerative
(34:35):
is about as desirable a word in a draft room
as pedophile. Not to make light of that, obviously, but
like all the words you don't want uttered in a
in a draft room. Yeah, you know, degenerative what what
like that? Everybody's like, who said degenerative?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (34:56):
Because because you know, that means you could only have
a guy for two or three years and then and
then maybe he can still play with his kids, maybe
he can still golf, but he can't play NFL football.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Right right, So all right, that's the guy. Let's do this, Jackson.
Let's get one more break in. Seahawks getting closer to
their selections, will squeeze a break in here real quick.
At two minute break raiders on the clock on number
twenty seven, So when we come back, we'll be moments
away from the next pick by the Seahawks thirty second
in the third round, ninety six overall. As we continue
our coverage of the NFL Draft on nine three point
(35:28):
three k DFM,
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