Jeremy Hartman: Powerlifting, Wrestling & Building Stronger Athletes | Airey Bros Radio #389 - Airey Bros.'s Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(01:02):
On tonight's guest, Jeremy Hartman, is joining us this evening.
We're going belly to belly with a true force in
the world of strength, discipline and athletic development. He's a
twenty twenty three National Coach of the Year, twenty twenty
four Lifetime Achievement Award winner. He's a six time USA
Powerlifting National champion and an IPF World medalist. He's the

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founder of Hartman Performance Coaching both in person and online athletes.
He's known for blending powerlifting, wrestling, and youth development. Jeremy
has trained athletes at every level, from first time lifters
to world class competitors. He's a coach's coach, building champions,
not just in sport, but in life. Without further ado,

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it is an honor pleasure to have you joining us
this evening, Jeremy. We do greatly appreciate your time. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Awesome, thanks so much for having me. Guys, I'm excited
for this episode and getting ready to talk about s
Frank conditioning.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, it gets us fired up, and you know, we're
always trying to add to the toolbox and share and
learn new things. So excited to hear what you got
going on out there in Indiana. But before we get
too far into that anywhere, you would like us to
send the fans anything you have going on, maybe camps, clinics,
online stuff, anything social media platforms. The floor is yours.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, So reach me at Hertman Performance on any social
media Instagram, Facebook, email me hertmanpt one at gmail dot com,
and then anything you want to connect on just shoot
me a message dm me email me hartminpt one at
gmail dot com. Upcoming events, we have HPT gathering where
I bring in a lot of my online lifters, competitive powerlifters,

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high level athletes. We'll probably be doing something that in
the Indianapolis area and October. Probably once a quarter I
bring in all my athletes in. We run on a
big gym over seven thousand square feeds, so we got
guys from squad over one thousand pounds, to guys who
made the Olympic Trials for wrestling, to just some of
our local high school athletes that are you know, looking
for scholarships and everything in the form. So a lot
of great people coming together, but we open it up

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to the public too. We usually have a training session
for kind of our lead level people in the morning,
and then we run seminars and stuff afternoon for everybody
else who's coming in. So that way it's not just
one or two people talking. To bring my whole team
into help you get coach it's going to be a
great event coming up in October.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Sweet. That's awesome putting all that stuff in the show
notes for you as well, and hopefully we'll get you
some some new followers and some new fans and people
in the Indiana area to come check out. Are you
near it in and around Indianapolis?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah? Yeah, Just southeast of Indianapolis is about thirty minutes
area called Greenwood, So right around there. We have two locations.
We have one towards Indianapolis and we have another location
right in Greenwood as well that we operate out of.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, cool, cool, and so Jeremy, one of the things
we like to do, I think we were talking might
have been offline when we mentioned it, but we'd like
to create through lines for our guests but also for
our fans. And we know as we get older, the
world gets a lot smaller and smaller. And as I mentioned,
Zach evanesh Is is a friend of the Aery Bros.
He Jimmy actually did one of his underground Strength coach

(04:09):
certifications a long long time ago. And Zach's Jim is
in Manasquan, New Jersey, and we're literally our hometown is
the next town over over the bridge at the Jersey Shore.
So uh, we go back way back with Zach a
long long time ago, and you know, he reached out
and mentioned that you'd be a great guest to talk

(04:29):
to you because you've got a lot of coaching and
doing a lot of things with athletes, with people that
we have in common and things that we talk about
with our guests, our coaches and stuff like that. So
when Zach Zach puts out the signal, we uh, we
like to make those connections. So thank you Zach. Hopefully
you're you're listening and hopefully enjoyed this.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Perfinitely, Jerry, one thing we like to do. We uh,
I'm a little bit of a film geek film there
and really and you know, we love the Marvels, We
love DC, we love the old story. So what kind
of got you going with coaching? And maybe both sports
kind of brought you to coaching.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, yeah, I believe I'm one of the most fortunate
athletes around. I had a wrestling coach, he was actually
my football coach at the time. In sixth grade. He
was starting a youth wrestling program and he thought I'd
be a good candidate for it, and I thought, you know,
sometimes I was too old for wrestling or you know,
a lot of my cousins started real early on, and
I just you know, didn't have too much interest in it.
But he recruited me and said I'd be really good

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for it. And right off the bat he was starting
a youth program, and we got done with football season
and there was a little bit of time before we started,
so he got us to strength training right away. He
brought us into wrestling conditioning, you know, a planing metric training,
He brought us into just general GPP for us with everything,
and I was starting starting to fall in love with
it right away. And from there, you know, he started
the youth program and he was a very very tough man,

(05:51):
worked us very hard, but at the same time he's
that type of guy that you looked up to as
a mentor with everything. And so from there he progressed
my my lifting more than We started introducing a little
bit of bar bell boites, but we were doing sled
pushes almost Zach evan S style. You know, we had
the farmer walks going on. And he was actually a
metal fabricator, so in the winter in Cleveland, Ohio, you
really can't push sleds outside, so he made a ramp

(06:12):
in his basement for us. And before there were prowlers
and sleds, he made a sled and a ramp that
you could add weight too, that we were pushing up
and down his basement. He made a monkey bars, had
a thick pipe for us to work on. He had
us hanging upside down with gravity boots for situps, rushing
push ups, or were jumping off chairs with our hands
coming down, catching a push up for him, coming back
up rope climbs when we're at the restling room, and

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I just fell in love with it. So three years
of that type of training, and then I really started
getting introduced to the weight room and talking about what
your body did. My friends around me were like, how
are you making these games every week? How are you
doing this stuff? What have you been doing? I said, well,
for the last three years, I'm assuon all that crazy
off the wall stuff and just made a world of
a difference. My body ate that up. I got in
with a state champion wrestaurer named Vick Voynevitch, whose son's

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actually coaching now. They wrestled at the University Iowa, so
they're part of my online clients that I worked with,
and Vic started really introducing me to the weight room
talking the powerlifts. He worked with Louis Simmons the westside
barbell for a little bit, and again my body started
eating that stuff up more and I couldn't believe how
much it was helping my speed, my strength, my conditioning,
my overall personality. Like it really made me into more

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confident persons. Because you're an adolescent, You're going through a
whole bunch of changes. You know, you're fourteen fifteen years
old wrestling against eighteen nineteen year old men. You got
to get stronger, and you know, from that part, that's
what really took off my lifting. That brought me into
the competitive powerlifting later on. Looking at my senior year,
I had some scholarship offers for wrestling, had some very
good success with all the stuff I had done, but

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I just fell in love with strength conditioning so much.
VIC encouraged me to go to the powerlifting routes since
he had some work with Louis Simmons. Took the powerlifting
route and met some great coaches. Fast Forward won several
collegian national titles, won some open titles, got to travel
the world to three different countries to compete with the
sport of powerlifting, set some all time American records, and

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just grew and grew. And from there I met strength
coaches who were involved with powerlifting. I didn't even know
it was an occupation I could go into it, but
got into the college room a little bit the high
school realm got my peeting health license. A couple of
strength coaches told me to go that route just in
case I didn't like the college route, and you know,
from there, I kept progressing and still kept training all
the way through. I got to be in the World

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Games in Taiwan in two thousand and nine, and from
there the coaching bug just took over. I was a
very selfish lifter, which you have to be when you're
at that level, and just the coaching bug took over.
The strength training took over, worked with athletes took over,
and that kind of led me right into the whole
coaching aspect, and you know, we went on from there. Well.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I had a similar experience with a friend's dad who
had some makeshift stuff that he had us doing it
in the backyard. He made sleds. He had the rope
that we were climbing, so I'm right there with you.
We had a tire that we would drag, we'd push cars,
excuse me. And I fell in love with strength training
at that point, and just I saw my wrestling because

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I didn't I didn't live too much in high school,
not till senior year and then going into college, and
I just saw my levels jump, and like you mentioned,
the confidence, just like having confidence and like feeling your
forearms and getting that pump and just feel feeling like
another person. So I can, I can, I can. That

(09:19):
resonates with me a lot. And I'm curious. You said
you spent some time or Louis Simmons, did you train
at west Side at all?

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yep, so after you know, I've been competing for
a little bit. Uh. We had a mutual friend Marcus Marinelli,
who's the coach of steep Emeo Chick, you know, UFC
World Champion, and I was training. I was doing some
UFC fighting, you know, just some shoot fighting stuff. After
high school, you know, I got done with the wrestling part,
and it was doing that along with the training. And
I found out Marcus had gone to West Side was

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really good friends with Louie. I didn't know that he's
one of the ogs of Louis Simmons, actually on the
West Side board right now of directors. And I kept
begging him and begging him, and finally got strong enough
in Marcus called Louie and got me up invited and
went down there. And you know, I've had to take
several trips. I drive down two and a half hours
from Cleveland, train, I drive two and a half hours
back up. I bugged Louis as much as I could,
and probably after the fifth time I came down, he

(10:11):
saw I was pretty serious about that, and he started
paying a little more attention to me, invited me to
some workouts. But yeah, I train on and off from
West Side, just because where I was at in Ohio,
where I was going to college at it's always about
two and a half three hours away. But fall breaks,
Christmas breaks, spring breaks, I never took them. I was
always down there training LOUISID could come down any time,
So train there from probably two thousand and one till
the end of my career, right around twenty ten, on

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and off.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
What was that experience? Like you know the legends that
you hear of of the West Side Barbelle on some
of the videos, underground videos and stuff that we've seen
is just is just legendary of that those how intense
those sessions were in the amount of weight that people
were moving, and you know, as lightweights, we can't wrap

(10:56):
our heads around what that's like. What was that experience
like working with those guys.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It was great. You know, Louis when he first inviting
me down, he had me come in early for the
first session, so all the big guys were squadding, so
I was loading plates, working the monolift, you know, would
change the box heights for those guys. And it was
great because I saw how focused they were. I saw
how a team works together. I saw how there's four
or five guys coaching one guy. I saw that two
heads are always better than one. So here I am
a seventeen year old kid, you know, learning all this stuff,

(11:24):
seeing all this stuff directly. And once those guys got
done squad and then I would train with the second group.
I got to train with the lightwel Hates and the
girls at first when I went down there, But Louie
was right, that's what I need to do. I needed
to see that first group. I need to help participate.
I needed to do my part, see how stuff was run,
see what they were focused on, learn his system directly.
So it was amazing experience, and I'm glad he told
me to come down with those times, see the other

(11:45):
guys train, the older guys train, and then go with
my own training, because then I knew exactly what his
expectation was, you know, as much as I could while
I was learning, but I was reading all his articles.
I was asking him questions. You know, Louis at the
time his phone numbers at the end of every article
in Parla with the USA magazine, So I'd call him
up and ask him. And I once I started getting
really strong, so as I pulled my first seven hundred
pound deadlift, then he really took a high level interest

(12:06):
in me. So it was great. I just saw the
organization part. I saw the intensity. I saw how those
guys train. I saw what his system was with speed.
You know the dynamic effort repetition method. You know maximum
effort obviously, how to train it, how to take appropriate jumps.
I learned, you're not just throwing a forty five and
he side and all of a sudden, three sets later
at your max, I learned how to progressively add volume
to my lifts to get the most out of them

(12:27):
with stuff. So just I can't thank him enough for
all the stuff he did, and I continue to go
down there as a coach from twenty ten all the
way up until he died. You know, I was there
two months before he had passed away. I brought one
of my lifters in for him to look at.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
At the high school level working with high school aged
athletes or even collegiate level. As I know Louis you
know had worked with some high level sprinters and jumpers
from Ohio State and different things. But how much of
that sort of conjugate stuff can you successfully implement at
the high school level, and like a strengthing conditioning PE
classer with a large team, is it still possible with

(13:04):
bigger groups?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, you know the track and field stuff. Louis had
a ton of people down there. I couldn't believe the
amount of people are coming in and butch Reynolds was
even coming in Olympic gold medalist to Louis train. So
it's great to hear this stuff early on about what
he was doing as far as implementing it. It's very
hard to do because these kids don't know anything coming in.
They have no base level strength. You know, I had
three years of GPP work, you know before I got in,
and I was learning to be intense from sixth grade.

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So it's changed a lot. So I really have simplified.
I tried to overcomplicate stuff at the beginning. My workouts
and stuff at the high school level are so simple
for these kids because we're training in large groups. Large
groups is way different from two to three, you know,
four to five small group settings. So I've had to
pick the simplest exercises. Give an example, we all squall
at the box the majority of the time. That way,

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when I have a large group of sixty, seventy even
eighty kids at a time in there, you know, they're
all controlling their height. I can go around and control,
I can add a plate, take a plate off. I
don't have to worry about depth or anything with them
on there. Same thing one As a coach, I keep
the groups as small. I do two or three max,
and I keep everybody on a timer. You know, we
just don't say, okay, go you got ten minutes to

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bench and now everything's minute on the minute. Rest breaks
are controlled by me, by the timer. I get kids
in and out because you only have a certain amount
of time to do so. So it's short, intense focused workouts,
almost like west Side. But I don't do the conjuget.
I don't involved with speed and percents because they're high
school kids. A lot of them they don't have that understanding.
A lot of them don't want to. You know, the
girls JV golf team. You know, they're not excited about

(14:28):
doing speed max effort. So I do simple linear puritization
high reps to low reps. I modifies the kids need
during seasons with everything, but a lot of stuff you're
doing at the high schoo levels. You want an all
inclusive strengths system. You do not, and I repeat this,
do not want to have sports specific these kids. A
lot of them, you know, less than five percent move
on to a college sport, less than one percent move
on to a Division I sport. So I keep the

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training very simple. Now in my small group settings, I
will dive into a little bit more with the kids,
you know, if I'm training groups of four or five
something like that in my own private industry. But I've
simplified stuff, give the kids very basic exercises, and we
get after and it's been the best thing for the
large group setting in high school.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
How was it large group setting? Sixty eighty kids? Is
that like a football team or is that a PE class?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
That would be a PE class that we have in there.
I think the smallest I have was maybe like forty
sometimes you know after school, or sometimes you know in
the summer, you know, coach can only bring in the
whole offensive side or something like that, or if I
have a couple of groups in their training. Yeah, I mean,
I'm really in the high school setting, probably forty is
my smallest, and I've had up to eighty in there
at a time. But that's why you got to be organized.
Station set up simple, basic fundamental lifts that the kids

(15:34):
can get better at. Use linear peritization with them. You know,
five by five is some of my greatest work because
it's not too high reps where the kids are going
to focus on just you know, getting a set of
ten and their technique goes of garbage. And it's not
two low reps where the kids start maxing out and
start missing a whole bunch. The five rep range give
or taken there is real good for the kids and
as they progress to the system like Joe Ken. Joe
Ken had a tier system with Block zero training and

(15:57):
Level one, two three, So it's kind of the same
thing I do. They might not know it, or they
might have at least an understanding from what I give them.
But you know, I picked the simple exercise for our kids,
total body workouts every day and we get in and
get after it.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You're in Indiana, I mean, sorry, what's the our kids
taking PE all day? I mean every day for the
whole year or is it like a block and they're
doing it for one semester and then they don't have
it again? How does it work in Indiana?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, the top school is at Center Grolve High School.
You know, we had probably i'd stay close to ninety
percent of our athletes and the lifting class during the
day m hm. So that way, you know, we had
you have to get guidance counselors involved, telling them, you
have to have parents like, we don't care if you're
playing you know, tennis, volleyball, whatever, if you are an athlete,
you are expected to be in that class and we
made it so you can take it as a credit.
You can take it as a grade. We even did

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a modified study hall for those kids that were an
honor stuff, so if it would affect their GPA, we
did it so hey, you know you can take it
as a modified study hall. Then you at least got
to commit to two days a week of training in there,
so that way the kids can get their lift in,
go to practice, go home, and not mess around with
well I couldn't get in WAGS class or anything like that.
But so there's a whole system of administration getting them

(17:08):
buy in, talking with middle school athletes, working with all
the coaches to get them bought into your program or
else they're not going to spread the word. Kids aren't
going to be in class. You're gonna get hit and miss.
Kids are going to fall through the cracks on there.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Is it harder to get the coaches to buy in
or to get the athletes to buy in.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Man, it depends on the school you're at, how long
you've been there, and it's always harder at first, I
would say with if you're walking into a new school,
it's always hard to get the juniors and seniors buying
because they've already been doing something for so long and hey,
who's this new guy coming in. The younger kids are
easy to buying because they don't know anything better. They've
only had limited experience. The coaches, unfortunately, they are still
in their ways of this is the way I did it,

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or I'm a cross country coach. I just want to
do body weight stuff only. So what I do is
a lot of those guys that sit down with them,
I give them articles, I throw stuff in their mailbox,
I ford them stuff, I highlight stuff. Especially for the coaches.
I need to get bought in. And you want to
do sports specific Again, you have kids that you know
can't even do a barbell squad with no weight on there.
Or you have coaches that say, oh, we do court

(18:07):
training all the time. Then you have a kid do
a single leg lunch or something, they fall all over
the place. So I think it's a combination of both
because you have to sell in front of the kids
every single day, but you have to have that message
to the coaches, reiterating that over and over and over again.
That resonates because remember when the kids go home, it's
a one sided conversation they have with mom and dad.
And if that's not a conversation that's supported you know,

(18:28):
well the coach is saying this, Well Hartman's saying this.
So no, you got to get everybody on board as
best as you can get them to buy in the system.
So I think it's it's an equal balance of both
of them on there. It's just shifts from time to time.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Though, Kern, just to clarify, are you still a PE teacher?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So I'd work with after school a little bit with
the strength conditioning at a school out here, and then
also have my own private stuff that I do online
in person, more small group training, more kind of like
elite level athletes and people I train with.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
So you mentioned having kind of the gamut of athe
it's you know, some college, college wrestlers, some professional powerlifters. Yeah,
what what is across the board? What are you having
people coming in or are they coming in where they

(19:16):
have had coaching and they're looking to get better or
obviously powerlifters are powerlifters, right, but wrestlers, you know, sometimes
you get wrestlers who've never lifted before. Sometimes you get
wrestlers who or like you, grew up with someone who
taught them how to lift.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
What are you kind of seeing?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, right now, I've gotten my name out there pretty good.
So I'm getting a little bit more high level athletes.
For for many years I had I developed them from
the ground up. Man. You know, I got a kid
division one eighty percent full ride of Kent State right now,
Silas Stits. He was a junior national All American, one
of the top wrestlers in the nation. I had. I've
had him since sixth grade. Now I've gotten some other
guys because the wrestlers see have the parency, the results,

(19:55):
and you know, it shows up on the map. My
kids stick out more than anybody else, so they want
that for their kids, so they will you know, they'll
buy in more. So I get a combination of everybody
that comes in. I used to have to developed a
lot of my power letters. Now I've attracted a few
more high level ones too. Same thing with wrestlers. You know,
I had a guy at the Olympic Trials where he
was a Greco Roman wrestler, multi time World team member,
college Encita B a All American. He was, you know,

(20:16):
came through recommendations some other people, and again I got
those guys results and they bought in. I took away
some of their injuries and made him feel better. They
felt stronger on the mats. And that's how I gotten
those guys to buy in, and the word spreads and
get your name out there and people know what you're about.
I was recently talking to one of my parents, was
telling me a story about stuff, and you know, they said,
we know we're getting to coach. So I was excited

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to have them come in.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
With the wrestlers. What do you see the biggest hole
as far as their strength training game is.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, the coaches just put them through circuits, They
put them through battle ropes or pull ups or you
know tough GPP stuff, which is it's it's fine, but
it's that general strength training. You know, if you look
at some of the top wrestlers, David Taylor, you know,
even Kyle Snyder, those guys like how they trained. They
don't use the wrestling and usually the weight room as
a condition. They use it as strength training. You know,
those guys have said it like one of the first

(21:05):
fires that David Taylor did it at Opahma State was
he fired the strength coach. He brought in his guy
who's about strength training. So I think the biggest thing
is those guys want to be fast paced, they want
to go from one to the next and superset everything,
And I'm like, no, I want to lift the bigger weights.
You've already done conditioning, You've already done your running workouts,
You've done all that stuff. This is about strength training.
When you're in here, what are they.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Pound for pound, you know, most bang for your book
things that you're doing with wrestlers or does it all
depend on what their base based level of strength is
or what their GPP is.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, I think the most pound for pound. We all squat,
we all back squat to some degrees. Some guys do
high bar, some guys do low bar. We all deadlift,
you know, more simile than anything else. Developed the hips
and hamstrings. I'm a big believer in that for my wrestlers.
But we still do conventional because if you have a
weakness in your armor, it's going to come out later on.
So front squads are in there too. Pull ups, but
again we're not doing circuits, We're not doing you know,

(21:59):
time on time off. My pull up guys, we have
let's see two of our rustlers that do strict, like
pretty strict pull ups. There's a little kicking in there,
but full extension pulls with over one hundred pounds silast.
My kid is going to Kent State right now. He
just left. We set a pr before I left, eat
one hundred and thirty for two pretty strict pull ups
all the way down, all the way up. My other
high level guys around eighty ninety pounds single leg work.

(22:21):
I love lunges for these guys. You know, Bugarian split
squats are good with everything. I think the lungs you
can really load that exercise up and get a lot
out of it because not too much bounce, but you're
still getting single leg work, heavy abdominal work. You're absolue
like any other muscle group. Too many of them do
circuits and rushing twists and all this other stuff. We
train it. You want your bench to get up, you
gotta addway to it. Okay, you gotta drop your reps,
you gotta periodize it. It's the same thing we do

(22:42):
with our abdominal train. We train that stuff hard, and
I think finally, upper backs. I don't want any of
my rustlers getting snapped down. I don't want any neck injuries.
I don't want any rotator cuffs. Upper back so we
hammer the upper back, heavy shrugs, heavy reverse flies, you know,
high poles, a little bit of Olympic lifts kind of
mixed in there. I really think those the key. And
I think, lastly, with all the knee injuries we see
in wrestling, torn acls left and right. You know Spencer Lee,

(23:05):
I mean he's torn his several times, awesome destanto four
time All American, you see it the Penn State guys.
So I really hammer the hamstrings. If you look in
anatomy book and I tell people to look at this,
or I show them all the hamstrings cross over and
protect their knee. So we hit them at all angles.
And I for our audience out there, I'm not just
talking about leg curls, okay, I'm talking about sitting back
into squads and deadlifts. I'm talking about very heavy glued

(23:26):
hamstring raises, very heavy back extensions. You know, leg curls
are mixing there, sprinkling there, a little bit, very heavy
vertical shit, long step lunges. I think those who protected
our knees and we've had very good results with staying
injury free.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Here, what do you think is a Nordic curl?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know what too much on there. It's just the
guys can't do it, you know, they just simply fall over,
and yeah, you get a little bit better at but
I can't load it on there. And you know, it
got popular with knees overtes and it's been in Europe
for a very long time. You see great soccer players
who can do that stuff one legged. But I just
see kids falling over and over again. Yeah, I put
it to mix it up in the off season for
a challenge, but I want stuff where I can load

(24:04):
it and these kids can get stronger and most importantly,
they can see themselves progressing on there. So I'm not
a big fan of it.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Kerry, you mentioned a lot of wrestling coaches have their
kids do cirga training and sometimes it's not so much strength,
it's just doing conditioning and training in one How important
is it to do strength training stand alone and have
proper rest.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, it's it's huge. It's the number one thing when
I slow my when I get new guys that are
coming in here. I got a kid that's going to
Indiana University right now, I've slowed him down on stuff.
You know, we gets up to the big weights fast,
but then I slow him down when he gets to the
big weights. I want him to have a little bit
of a break. And now he's seeing how much better
he is. Now he's seeing the strength. Now he's seeing
the improvements, which again you got to get him bought in,
the parents bought in and everything. So I think proper

(24:51):
respirits when the kids are working up. But there's times
I do run some speed work with small groups of kids.
So we are going back to back, you know, louse
Simmons forty five seconds. The minute breaks most important. I
think you get up to the big weights fast, slow
them down so they can focus on just a few
things before they hit those top lifts. But you know,
we'll rest a couple of minutes before big lifts and
the kids, the kids really like it because they got
to get in there and get after it.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Do you think kids should be rest on same day
that they're lifting.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh, absolutely, I've never had a problem with that. It's
the ones that aren't mentally strong enough. Because I have
kids that come in after practice, you know, I have
kids that you know come in you know, during Christmas
breaks or whatever before practice. However, their schedule works. Obviously,
an ideal world. You'd like at least a four hour
break in between, but that's not the reality. Was school
and everything else. These guys have got going on in
private lessons and academies and stuff. So I work around

(25:37):
what they need. If my guys come in and they're
pretty exhausted, I know to back off a little bit
where I need to, you know, and just maybe throwing
some bodybuilding stuff that day or whatever to get them going.
But you just don't make any excuses. My best wrestler
is the ones that stayed with me all throughout the season.
No matter what is the weak of state, we're still
in here training. They know my philosophy, they bought in,
and most importantly, they fill it on the map.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Talking about that mental talk business, there's a lack thereof
how do you coach that up in kids?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah? I think it's the culture I bring and I
sometimes forget about this. And I was just talking to
one of my lifters, Shelby Morse, who was a open
national champion. Shelby, you know, when she came in, she
was one I developed to. So when my new people
come in, I don't realize, like you know, they're like,
they're like, man, your people are focused. Nobody's messing around,
you know, they're not doing this or that. They're all

(26:27):
helping each other.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's kind of like west Side and so in version
over here. Obviously they're not you know, competitive lifters. But
I've done a lot of that stuff. So I think
it's just the culture that I've created, the culture that
I strive because it's hard to keep that going every
single day, keep the kids focused, you know, keep them
going on here. It's hard to get a new kid adjusted.
So I think it's really that every single day it's
all about improving. I'm like, hey, you're tired, or hey,
you know you still got to go up five more pounds.

(26:48):
I want one more rep. Hey, I want you know,
one more you know, two more yards on the sled push,
you know, compared to what she did last week. And
I think that's the way I keep going is they
keep seeing that progression. I keep holding that carred out
in front of them, and I just keep doing on
out and those kids keep going after and they see
the results, they push for it. It might have been
hard at Hacking to give all they had, but they
get it. It's been a lot better.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And on the flip side of that from a coaching perspective,
when you're talking about creating that culture. But like you said,
maybe you come into a new school, new program. You've
got your freshman and sophomores, maybe even in middle schoolers
if that's how they run it in your state, but
you got your junior and seniors are used to the
old system, good, bad, or ugly, whatever may be their way.

(27:29):
What's your advice for coaches that are trying to change
that culture and are fighting that good fight, but you know,
not every day is going to be is going to
go the way you had anticipated or what the practice
plan is. But you're really trying to keep that culture
or create that culture even though the some dems it
feels like the universe is pushing against you.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, if you're a newer, younger coach walking into a program,
you're gonna have to focus on the younger kids and
building that up while taking care of the older kids
those that are going to buy in. With the older kids,
they're going to buy in. You know, it's unfortunate, but
you got to You got to work with those kids
that really wanted there, and you got to really hammer
that youth group coming in, so they know the expectations,
so they don't know anything but different that's what they
know coming in. So that's what my advice for a

(28:11):
younger coach. I think for the older coach is it's
tougher than ever to keep that culture, create that culture
because you have different stuff from the outside coming in.
You know, you have parents who are getting upset about stuff.
You have administration you have to work with with everything.
You know, obviously you got to win on the board too.
So as a coach at that level, it's different, way
different from than a private coach or something like that.
So at the high school level, you know, that's the

(28:31):
stuff you have to do for that part. But same
thing if you're doing private you know you have to
keep your culture. But it's a little more easier because
those kids are bought in. Those kids are paying, those
parents are paying. They expect your results. You know, I
had kids pushing sled the other day and I had
some parents get out of their cars. They are yelling
at them to finish. You got it, You got it, son,
you can do this. So you don't always see that,
you know, in the regular room, but it's still when
mom and dad that kid gets in there. You know,

(28:52):
how was the workout? How is this? You know, hey,
coach was working on this with me, A coach Hartman
is doing this and you know I love this part.
So again, you got to leave on a positive mark.
And we've had stuff around. I wasn't a good weight
in the work. I let's do one more thing, Let's
do one more down set, Let's do something and on
positive and that's way you keep the culture going.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, have you had to have conversations with parents like, hey,
you need to back off your gut, you're going too hard.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
A few things on stuff in the off season. I've
had two a little bit. They start getting a little injured,
they're cutting too much weight on everything. And I've got
a pretty good relationship with my parents that come in here.
I mean they recommend a lot of people to me.
So yeah, I have that conversation like hey, this is
you know, we're cutting too much weight, or hey this
is effected it is lifting. And you know when you
sit down you have that and they see that, and
the kids are saying that like Okay, hey this is
gonna be at like our last meet, or hey, we're

(29:37):
just gonna cut down for this big national tournament, then
I'll allow them to gain weight and everything. So yeah,
it's gonna it's a It's a good usual thing back
and forth with these guys because they put their trust
in me, and I show up to these kids tournaments,
you know, I show up with some of their events.
Always make sure I do that, and the parents know that,
and they see that and they know that I'm invested
in them just like they're invested in me. So it's
a good conversation I have with that stuff here.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
You mentioned sometimes kids are cutting too much weight. Do
you deal with any nutrition and stuff?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, you know, when my kids are doing that, there
is some stuff I deal with nutrition. And I talked
to him about that, and I give an example, my
guy stylist. I say him a lot because he's been
like my number one guy. He's really changed that around
this last year, and so we talked about that if
they're not making enough gains in here, that the stuff
isn't where I want to see. Hey, it's how's your
actual sleep? How much are you actually getting in? What
are you doing? Hey, maybe it's time to get some

(30:24):
protein supplements or you know, hey, maybe it's time to
start a little bit on creets and stuff. Hey, you're
not eating enough on this? Well, what's eating enough mean?
You know? It means like this, Hey are you tracking?
I teach him how to track protein a little bit.
You know. Hey, a you're writing in your workout logs
for your sets and reps. Well, now the next thing is,
let me teach you how to keep just a small
nutrition log on there. So that's some of the stuff
I've done that's really you know, helped the kids out
and helped with that nutrition side up. They are cutting

(30:46):
weight and they're struggling. I will talk to them a
little more specifically about that, but really a lot of
time is keeping their strength up, keeping the muscle mass up,
because that's going to get lost or in wrestling, and
my wrestlers lose the most, so we've got to push
the hardest on there.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Do you find being the strength and condition and coach.
It's real easy to show kids, hey you're not eating right,
or hey you're cutting too much weight because your numbers
are dropped here, or you're not gaining you're not getting
any gains.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
In the private setting, in small groups, it's really easy
to do that because you're kind of short. Groups you know,
a couple of kids one on one in a large
group setting, I do my best to educate them, to
go over stuff with them, speak to them specifically about that.
So it's a different world with the ones you're talking about.
But my kids and the ones that are here there,
we got a great relationship back and forth. You know,

(31:33):
in a large group setting. You know, it's hard to
get to know every kid and every kid to trust
you with all that stuff. So I just do my
best to make sure I'm pointing that stuff out talking
through it. You know, We've done chalk talk, you know,
ten to fifteen minutes before classes sometimes or at the
end of class when I had a block period that
was extended where I want to touch base on a topic.
So you get as effective as you can. You just
do the best job you can.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Jeby from an online perspective, What's what does it look
like to sign up for HPT in terms of goals,
program communication? How does that all work for you?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, you know, when you sign up, we have a
whole onboarding process. I've got three other coaches. They were
all athletes in mine, so they all know my system
directly and they've all been high level too. You know,
I want the best coaching, the best out there. So yeah,
when they come in, we have a whole Facebook page.
You post all your top sets, your videos. If you
got questions about am I doing this RDL right? Am
I working up heavy enough on this exercise? Plus I
want to see your main lifts, you know, if we're

(32:27):
doing clean squats, benches, deadlifts, they'll post that up. You'll
get feedback from there. I handwrite everything. I don't. I
don't give you a little cookie cutter program and say
check back in with me. You know, I handwrite stuff
every week because changes need to be made every single week. Yeah,
I have percentages of stuff built in a little bit,
but I'm kind of handwriting, Hey, this is between this exercise, Like, hey,
your last step should be between two hundred and two ten. Maybe.

(32:48):
So we have a good group that I've been able
to assemble who know my system. We're all accomplished athletes
themselves before they were allowed to start coaching, and you know,
we get this good results. Basically, I turn it into
personal training. It's not an AI thing. It's not spreadsheet
you get sent out. It's not a hey, check in
with me. You know, every couple of weeks. It's about
as close to personal training one on one as you're
going to get. And that's why, you know, that's the

(33:08):
only way I know how to do stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You must be pretty busy. Then.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, I've learned to delegate and get some more coaches
and some people to help me out with stuff. It's
been a blessing. I've had to teach those people, and
a lot of them have been former athletes of mine,
you know who went I got exercise science degrees, got
their shirts and everything. So that has helped out tremendously.
When I go to lifting meets with my powerlifters, you know,
I got a good group of coaches and you can't
even keep some of my lifters the way that they're like, hey,
I'm not competing, but I'm coming man, Like where do

(33:36):
you need me at? What do you need? So it's
a blessing when we're doing meets and stuff like that
for them.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Nice. And is it mostly I mean I mentioned the
wrestlers that you're working with. Is online? Is that mostly
powerlifters and lifting clientele?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
No, I've got a professional pick a ball player that
makes eighty percent of the Yeah, Andre Mick, Yeah, yeah,
he's Australian, swears every other sentence on there. I got
general and his clients mixed into I have obviously competitive wrestlers,
can a lot of competitive lifters too since they all
can't come in during that time. And then yeah, some
adult fitness and stuff too. I say, majority of his

(34:10):
athletes competitive lifters, and then a little bit of general
fitness adults kind of sprinkled in there.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Is it true that pick a ball is the fastest
growing sport in America?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
According to my guy? It is then the checks he
cashes because he's a pro, you know, he's very happy,
and the fact that he can make a living office
and sponsorship and everything. A lot of my wrestlers and
a lot of my hardcore lifters are pretty jealous of him,
you know, because he just kind of gets to train
and work a small part time job and he's doing
very well. So but he's a Division one tennis player
for me before from Cleveland State University. So the guys

(34:41):
are a real athlete. And again, strength training simple stuff
for him, and we've helped his hip. We've kept his
back healthy, his elbows pretty healthy, and most importantly, he's
very strong and powerful.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
What kind of stuff. Yet I mean, obviously you're doing squatting,
what other deadlifting, what other sort of if you're doing
specifically for any lateral type stuff in there. For what
they're doing.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
He gets a lot of work from his coach. He's
got some good private coaches and some good training partners.
So again he's getting all that movement. So I look
at what he's not getting. The majority is the strength
trying Now in the off season he's not playing a lot,
I will give him some lateral movements to do some
different stuff to strengthen up his ab and adductors more
appropriately to that. But during the n season he's playing
so much, I don't need to run him into the
ground anymore. He's already getting that enough. It goes back

(35:26):
to the whole sports specific. Play your sport that's sports specific.
Use the way room as GPP general physical preparation. So again,
he's almost like a wrestler. I try to keep some
muscle on him as he's playing a lot and traveling.
You know, for his work off season, we hammer the
weights pretty heavy. I get him pretty strong again, build
that suit of armor around him, and he's like, he goes,
I look around, he goes, all these guys are icing
their knees, even these pro guys that he's with, you know,

(35:48):
they have this and that going on. And he goes,
I'm pretty healthy. Get banged up a little bit. Vid
he goes, he's bought into the lifting and the way
I structure stuff even more nice.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yep, Jerry, which stre I think this? And you see
a lot of coaches come and go. What do you
think the key to being a full time coach is
having a successful online business and being in the game
for as long as you've been.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, well, the college level, either hired or fired. It's
as easy as that. Okay, the coach gets fired, you're
gone too. Maybe if you're on the Olympic strength staff side,
you might be able to keep your job and stuff
because you're working with a couple of different ones, or
they might switch you around. But the football guys are gone,
and the same thing with basketball guys. So that's just
the nature of that job. I think for mine, it's
how you treat people. You know. I treat this like

(36:32):
a family. I bring people together, Like I told you
in October, we're having our get together. People come in
from all over. They get their air Benb's we're training,
we have breakfast together. You almost kind of like how
west Side did. Really, that's why I learned a lot,
and I try to keep that as I struggle, but
I try to keep that as family oriented as possible.
So they love getting together and they love pushing each other.
They all help each other. You get a room with
twenty elite level lifters in there. Ten of them are

(36:54):
national record holders, five of them are world record holders.
You're going to get so much off that weekend, you know,
for your competitive lifting thing else, uh, the online business,
same thing. I keep those guys productive. I check in
with them, I send the messages. It's like anything else
you're coach, you know. I go above and beyond for
everybody that I do. And when they spread stuff out
and they talk about me and people, what's training with
Jeremy like that? That guy he'll go for you know,

(37:14):
it's the end of the world for you if you're
gonna do the same for him. So I think it's
a little bit of all that stuff that I've done.
The remarks of my athletes and clients say, and and
we just keep this train rolling.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's refreshing to hear what you say about just getting
kids stronger because I stick to the the basics with
the cross country and track kids. You know, we're gonna squat,
we're going to deadlift, we're gonna we're gonna do pull ups,
we're going to do shoulder press, and so I appreciate
that because it makes me reminds me that I do
know what I'm doing and don't give into like the
kids wanting to do the sexier stuff or you know,

(37:46):
this is boring, Why are we doing this again? It's
just well, it's repetition and it's about doing the simple things. Well,
So I appreciate you sharing that sort of stuff, and
it makes me not feel like I'm going crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Sometimes a tough thing, you know, when you're getting people
to buy in. I had a swim coach I had
to get buy in. We hadn't won a sectional since
nineteen eighty eight, and he started a club team with lifting.
So we started the sixth, seventh and eighth graders lifting
four years later in a great swim coach. We ended
up being second in the state and the only team
we lost to was the number one team in the nation, Carmel,

(38:20):
And again we hadn't won a sectional since the eighties.
But again he bought into what we were doing. We
simplified our training, you know, started block zero with these kids.
He got them on the lifting class. Even brought his
sprinting kids to lift twice a day sometimes because he goes,
there's only so much I can swim them. They simply
need to get stronger, and their times were dropping. So
he bought into what we were doing with everything. Right now,

(38:41):
I got a college girl. She's an All American high jumper.
She came to me. They broken pelvis in high school.
And the best thing in her parents did was halfway
through the season. Instead of waiting like, oh, we'll sign
up with Hartman at the end, or we need to
get with you up to the season like now, they
brought her in probably a little bit more than midway
during the season, and she couldn't even squat sixty five pounds.

(39:02):
Her jumps were going terrible, her hurdle times were way up.
We got her pretty strong in a couple of months.
My girl ended up going out there and qualifying for
a state when she wasn't even ranked. So it's just
about doing the simple stuff right, showing progress every single week.
You know, we didn't do a ton of hamstring work
where I was gonna hurt or anything but simple stuff. Man.
She ended up jumping prs. She bought in after that.

(39:22):
The next year we placed at state. She got a
great ride to a college, and you know, another two
years later she's fourth in the nation.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Dyg she's she had she had Indiana was consolate.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, she had mar in University of Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh, we just had uh. We had coach Kate weiss
On after they won indoors.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, she's part of the team. She
got a heck of a ride. She she had some
other colleges were looking at her, some d one's and
some stuff, and she ended up going there and I trained, Uh,
she knew how to trained a uh. The collegiate national
champion Jalen Norwood. Jalen was a triple jump and national
champion for me in All City and All American long jump. Again,

(40:02):
you're taken elite level athlete. You put a little horsepower.
Guess what. We didn't do any plios, We didn't do
any Olympic lifts. You had a girl with some hurt
hamstrings that were bothering. By the end of the season,
she couldn't jump as well as she needed to. I
got those strong for the basics of lifting with everything,
and man, she took off. You get an elite level athlete,
you pull a horse bar behind them, they're gonna do
some great stuff. And most importantly, she was healthy by

(40:23):
the end of the season. So instead of you know,
eighty five ninety percent, she was ninety five percent.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Jeremy, you mentioned doing the simple things. Well, do you
have any advice to a younger athlete who's listening to
this podcast who might dabble on strength training, you.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Know, a younger athlete. Yeah, if you can't the younger kids,
they just don't understand us. You got to find a
good coach. You got to find a good mentor. And
I would tell them. For the younger athletes that are listening, uh,
you gotta do the simple stuff, right. I know they're
on their phone all the time with everything. And I
have my wrestlers and I have my athletes come in.
What about this exercise where I saw this or this
is this high level of person does this? And Eric

(41:02):
Kresty's writing articles about you know, shoulder health and what
multimillion dollar pitchers are doing. I'm like, you know, coach,
I shouldn't be doing any overhead stuff, you know, Eric Kresty,
I read this article like this. You can't even military
press the bar bells on you. You know you're gonna
get hurt eventually. So I think the kids is you
got to stick to the simple stuff as much as
they don't want to. You have to train the non

(41:23):
mirror muscles, like you just want to train everything that
they can see in from the mirror. It's the backside
that gets injured. It's the hamstrings that always pull. You
don't hear of anybody tearing a quad or you know,
straining a quad. Really, I'm sure it happens, But you know,
I think you just got to stick to the basic stuff.
So if you could learn to squad write, if you
could learn to bench press right, if you could learn
to deadlift, if you could do some Olympic lifts and

(41:44):
actually do them correctly with triple extension to actually get
the benefit out of them, if you can do your
pull ups weighted abdominant work, you're going to be so
far ahead of everybody else. Just just keep going after
the basics with everything.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Garry, I got one one last one for you before
we get in the final four of rich What are
your thoughts on multi sport athletes.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, you know, if they're in a school, they got
to be in the weight class. I tell all of them, Man,
you're playing three different sports. You have to be lifting
year round. Okay. I encourage that, even my competitive lifters
that are really good in high school, I want them
involved at least in one or two sports. I think
a tremendous base. And I think if they want to
by the time they're a junior or senior and they
want to focus on just one or two things, or

(42:27):
even one sport, you know that last year, I'm all
at that level. Number One, don't disrespect the coach because
a lot of times they've been putting a lot of
effort into So I hate for people that just, well,
I'm not going to do the wrest and I'm just
going to focus on football, like that coach has put
so much into you and you're just going to leave
them out when you could be a state level person
and everything. So I point out the little stuff that
they're young kids. They don't recognize what that man has

(42:47):
done for them, what that person has done for them.
What that coach has gone. I will support them with everything,
but I encourage them to finish it off. But if
they do want to do a couple of things, they're
not very passionate about it, but they darn well better
be step somewhere else. Then I don't want to hear
all I'm going to lift and play football. That that
doesn't work. And those guys never get scholarships, They never
turn out what they need to. So the choices of
tough those are individual talks that I have with them

(43:08):
sometimes with the parents as well, and I tell them
how it's going to be. Then well, then you have
to step up and do this. Well, then you have
to step up and do this. This is what you're
gonna need for a commitment, or you're kind of wasting
your time.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, I we love the multi sport athlete over here.
I think it's a it's good to change it up.
It gives you a different perspective, it gives you different looks.
You know, sometimes it's an individual sport versus a team sport.
It teaches you how to be a team player. Sometimes
you need to learn how to be an individual. But
also I love what you say about you know, the
kids coming in with TikTok or Instagram and they're like, Oh,

(43:43):
I want to can we try this? Or you know
this coach says, you know, we shouldn't. We shouldn't lift
the day of a game. I'm like, but you're, like
you said, you're you're not even using twenty pound dumbbells
to do shoulder presses. I don't think that's going to
make you tired for your volleyball game the first week
of the season. I think we should be looking for
bigger things down the end of the road. But if

(44:04):
that's what your coach thinks that you should do, then
I guess we'll have to have a talk with her.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, you know that's what That's what I do with
when you when you're talking about that. Zach Ebanesh and
I talked to us about this a lota and Zach
really likes to quote that a game. It's you're looking
for a better product by the end of the season.
I want them to have a little bit of pr
All my wrestlers this year that went to State, they
all hit some type of prs the week before. Now,
I was planning those guys out for State, all right,
some of my wrestlers that you know, they were having
trouble maybe not getting out of sectionals, regionals or districts.

(44:33):
Like I've scaled them back. But I told my wrestlers,
we are playing you guys for State. And if I
get their confidence up and they hit a little bit
of a pr or they did something a little bit better,
or they're still making improvements on stuff, or you know,
they banged up their shoulder, but now they're lifting pretty
decently again. When I can get their confidence up to
the roof, it makes a whole difference. At State. I'm like, hey,
look how great you're looking. Hey, look how you're feeling. Hey,
look how you improved. And it's the end of the season. Man,
you're banged up, and look at the weights you're still lifting.

(44:56):
That is the key for getting those kids going. My
high jumper, you know, she set prs before or the
end of the season a little bit. She had squad
two hundred pounds and she's like, you know five to eleven.
Oh my gosh, Brooks like one hundred and thirty pounds.
But the fact that I got them a little bit better,
that helps their confidence and I'm putting a better product
out there. That's what you need at the end of
the season. I love it when the other teams and

(45:16):
the other coaches, like you just said, let's lift a
little bit easier. I'm like, you, guys, stop lifting three
weeks ago. You were peeking out for Sectionals, and I'm
peeking my guys out for State. You know, my kids
go out there and they might have beat you, or
you know a couple of kids that had lost early
in the year, they go out and dominate you at State.
My kids, like, man, coach, I felt great, I felt stronger. Man.
That kid felt a little bit weaker. Man. Did you
see me dominate that match? That's what I want to hear.
And I give that confidence in the weight room and

(45:37):
that helps tremendously at the end of the season for
my athletes.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, it's amazing what some strength can do for a
kid's confidence. I think we were talking about it earlier,
but you know, if there's Jimmy and I always talked
about it, if we had a time machine, we would go
back to our younger versions of ourselves freshman year in
high school and say, get under the bar and do
some squats, and hang on the pull up bar and

(46:01):
do pull ups into you know, you can add weight
and then add weight. Those are the two things we
would tell each other.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yes, And I'm the same guy with that stuff. You know.
I made a mistake early on that I didn't strength
train a lot during my first wrestling season, and I
was terrible by the end of the season. I had
a volleyball player. She's playing the Division Beach volleyball for
me right now. Actually just squad a pr and here
about two hours ago, Squad two eighty five, weighing one
hundred and twenty eight pounds.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Holy smokes.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, yeah, so Sophia Sable. Yeah, I've had her for
a while here. Her dad's a coach. He's one of
the top girl basketball coach in the state of Indiana.
So he gets it and he doesn't put up with
you know whatever. And he told me when he brought
his daughter and she's she's five seven, he goes, Listen,
you ain't getting taller. If you want to play in
the sport in college, you're gonna have to get faster, stronger,
You're gonna have to be an athlete because you ain't

(46:48):
getting taller compared to these other girls. And that's what
we did. We made her a machine on the court.
She's durable, she's strong. She doesn't have to sit in
the trainer's room with ice on her knees and ankles
and shoulders and elbows after volleyball practice. But she knows
that she has to keep her strength training up because
she made some mistakes early on. She corrected that she
never stopped lifting no matter how tired she is. It
might be a twenty minute workout. It might be, hey,

(47:08):
we're going to get some cleans and some front squads
and pull ups, then you're done. Might be hey, we're
getting our bench in, We're going to get some ros in,
maybe some trysep upper back, then you're done. So a
lot of my athletes have seen that they learned from
my mistakes, they learned from their own mistakes, and they
ever make that again.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Jeremy, you mentioned some athletes. Do you have any athletes
we need to keep an eye at on.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah. One of my guys right now, he just what
forty eight hours ago, he's competing in China. So the
highest in powerlifting you can get is called the World Games.
It's once every four years, and you have to win
your country's nationals number one, go to the International Power
of Confederation World Championships, number two, number three. You got
to be top three, so you have to be a
world level metalist. From there you can qualify for the
World Games, which is the highest level in powerlifting. And

(47:54):
I just had my guy Jared Martin, he actually did
a training camp. I actually had him move in for
four weeks with me, and I told him because he
asked me, he goes, what do I have to do
to be the best at this coming up? And I
was training him online and he'd come in once every
couple of weeks. He lives like three and a half
hours away. So we made the decision, so he moved
in with me for the last month where I had
complete control over everything. Jared went out there squatted. He

(48:17):
weighed in at two ninety nine, almost three hundred pounds.
He's got one thy twenty five and this is this
is walked out, this is drug free, This is not
a whole bunch of multiply gear. He benched six hundred
and eighty three pounds and then most importantly, came back
huge deadlift pr He delifted eight hundred and forty eight
pounds on a stift bar not a little deadlift, noodle bar,
kabookie bar, any of that stuff, a real stefp bar

(48:38):
out there in China. Twelve hour times on difference. So
they he won the heavyweight class, but they combined three
different weight classes and they do by dots, which is
basically your body weight by how much he lifted. So
he ended up being an all around silver medalist, and
he was in fourth place all the way up until
his second attempt deft brought him in the bronze. The
pr deadlift, the eight forty eight at the end brought

(48:59):
him in the second place. With everything, almost had a
chance at first place. But here's a guy that you know,
we been able to bring up and he's just doing stuff,
I mean, ross squad dang like, yeah, he's doing listen

(49:22):
to this and just knie leaves and a belt, pair
of shorts. He's squat almost nine hundred pounds in the gym.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
For me, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
How many people did you?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
There are a couple of people there spying them.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, when yeah, yeah, when he came in. You know,
we were his group of two. We had oh there's
probably about five or six of us at all times,
plus whoever we had in the gym s bottom.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I'd be scared, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
No, we we we had boxes set up, benches set up,
we had six people him And like I said, I've
I've had him. He's been an athlete of mine for
over ten years. Yeah. No, he's got complete control over stuff,
so he knows what he needs to do.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
And you said he's two hundred and ninety nine pounds.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, he wenthed in two or nine nine pounds. This
is a two hour weig and some powerloting federations allow
you to have like a twenty four hour weigh in
or something silly like that. You know where he just
can lose weight and you know, gain twenty pounds that No,
this is this is a real powerlifting two hours. Drug tested.
You know they've been to his house on the hind
times to give him out of meat test called OMTs
when he was up here. He has to register his
whereabouts for RAM drug testing. Plus he gets in meat testing.

(50:38):
But yeah, Jared's uh, Dared's been an athlete for over
twelve years of mine. So it's been phenomenal that last
month to him. Like I said, in training, it was
a training campaign. If you look at top level athletes.
What for top boxers, top fighters, you know, they have
training camps for those guys. And when he asked me,
what do I have to do to be the best?
What do I have to do to give myself the
best chance? I said, you need to come down here

(50:59):
for a training camp. No, no distractions, no nothing else,
like it's got to be you know, he's got to
work from home, he's got a full time job. He's
the logistics online And I said, it's got to be
that and train with everything. And that's what we did,
and he had prs across the board, a lifetime best
going over to China, different time zone, different area, and
proven himself by squading over a thousand pounds. His second
attempt was one thousand and three nine minutes later at

(51:21):
the meet. If you look online, he's squat one thy
twenty five. So it's two thousand pounds squats less than
ten minutes apart.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Jeez, that's insane. Yeah, I can't count Brad.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
That's my dude, that's my Yeah, So you have someone
to watch that. That's the guy because he's unheard of,
doesn't have a lot of followers. You know, he just
focuses on his training. He's a die hard guy with everything,
does everything he's supposed to. And we're not done yet.
You know, the goal is the squad. If you look
at the squad is ridiculous. We're going to squall over
nine hundred pounds raw with no powerlating gear, and then

(51:54):
we're going to take an aim at over eleven hundred
pounds again in a couple of years. This isn't going
to happen tomorrow at the next meet, but he's another
lifter to watch. And then we have several younger lifters
coming up by a big girl. Listen to this guy.
She's fourteen years old. She weighs in one hundred and
thirty two pounds. She bench pressed one hundred and seventy
six raw, no power lating shirts, know nothing like that.
She's squat a teen raw and she dealt at three

(52:16):
hundred and twenty five pounds raw. She's fourteen years old,
one hundred and thirty two pounds bodyweight, all raw lifting
with everything. I've had her as an athlete for four years,
so give me another couple of years with her. She's
gonna kill it. You know. In the college high school open.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Definitely keeping eye out on those athletes. Thank you for
sharing that with us. Was that the first time you've
ever done at training camp with someone like that before?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
For that long, I've had athletes come in when they're
hitting like heavy lifts, you know, because they all have jobs,
so they'll come in for a weekend or you know,
maybe an extended three days if they're out of town
or something like that. My wrestler that was coming in
from the Olympic Training Center, he'd fly in Friday night.
I'd take him right to the gym, work him out
twice on Saturday, work him out once on Sunday, get
him back on a plane. But yeah, this is the
only thing because Jared could work from home, and you know,

(53:02):
this is what we decided was going to be best
for him. And so no, I've never had anybody this long.
So a lot of this was on me. If he
had a bad performance, they'd be like, hey, I did
everything you told me to do, you know, but no,
we cut out all the junk. There's nothing in his diet.
You know, you're asked me about that. Before I cut
everything out. He had a couple of treats when he
hit his numbers and did well, okay, but there was
no junk. It was everything I made. Every single day.

(53:24):
We tracked everything for him. We had a good group
every time he lifted, especially heavy he was going. I
had five or six of my good athletes around him
at all times when he was doing it. So if
you look at how he peaked out, the everyone's like,
oh he did great, or man, he peaked out, or
how did he hit those numbers? Like this happened many
years ago and many months ago, and most important the
last four weeks when it was the most critical. We

(53:44):
got him dialed in so I could see every single set,
every single rep, and make calls right then and there.
You know, there were times he was getting a little
bit beat up about a week and a half out
and I had to adjust his numbers and actually bring
him down a little bit from where I thought he'd be.
But he was right in front of me, so I
could make those adjusts.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Kind of calories numbers as he'd eaten from that kind
of training camp.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, So I called my farmer up who I get
all my beef and eggs from, and she I said, hey,
I got a big order coming in. Whole we were
going through Jared goes through a dozen eggs in the morning,
a half a pound of beef, and then a protein shake.
I really limited his carbs in the morning a little bit.
I don't like having too much sugar and stuff with him.

(54:29):
And then, oh my god, I mean cups and cups
of rice. He probably goes to at least a couple
of pounds of beef a day, easily a couple pounds,
a dozen eggs in the morning every single morning. You know. Carbohydrate.
You know, we have a lot of rice, a little
bit of fruit. I mixed in with him with stuff,
and then really it was back to you know, if
he could afford it. You know, we'd had some steaks
and stuff maybe later on, but it's really back to
beef and rice, a little bit of vegetables, onions, peppers,

(54:53):
stuff like that seems to settle the stomach real good.
You know, we got to watch the supplements we take.
Everything was informed choice or and the stuff approved, because
he's gets full water screen with everything. So I was
in control of all his supplements that we had taken. Everything.
He can only take certain things, so protein creating, multi vitamins, fish,
so oils glue to mein you know, some bcas and
stuff I mixed in there too. I'm not too hot
on those, but he seems to get something out of it.

(55:15):
So and it was like that every day. Every day
was his groundhog Day. It was the next day, it
was back to this, cooking this up, preparing this, you know,
pounds and pounds of chicken. Calling my farmer a week
ahead of time to put an order in so she
made sure she had enough for us. So that's the
way we did it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Doesen eggs a day, That's that's intense.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
That's just him. Yeah, that's that's just breakfast, A long
and a half pounds of beef.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, but it was what he needed for recovering the
drug free apple.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, gotta fuel the engine fields of fuels a vehicle.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Final fourage, let's do it, Jeremy, are you a coffee drinker?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
No? All right? Any caffeine.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Just a little bit before pre workout or a little
bit if I if I need it before meats or
something like that. And my lifters are like, oh god,
Hartman's got some caffee. Everybody watch out. He's he's crazy.
It is now we're putting him into stepping on the
gas shifting into fifth peer. So just a little bit
before I train, that's all I need.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Okay, do you have a go to pre workout.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I just take what my lifters take, Like I'm just
in a stuff approved stuff and formed choice to prove,
so stuff that's got very minimal you know, ingredients and
stuff on there. I just kind of follow what they do.
I always try to set a good example of stuff.
You know, I eat clean with everything that I do,
so that wain't my athletes see it or they see
me eating you know, in between events or something like that. That's
what I do on there. But yeah, I don't like
doing that. I don't like kids seeing that stuff Like

(56:43):
I don't see me, you know, bag full of supplements
and then they think they got to take all this
other stuff now, like you just said, they just need
a good diet with everything. Now, I do recommend some
stuff once, like I said before, with the kids, but
only if they have a good diet. First something, don't
talk to until you're eating three meals a day. Don't
talk to me till you're actually sleeping on on your
phone till two, three or four am. And when parents
asked me that, I said are they know, well East
gives breakfast. I said, well, we're not talking about Seltleman,

(57:04):
so he actually eats breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Ayay Man, I'm using that. I'm using that. Jeremy, do
you have any daily practices or rituals that you do
on a regular basis to show up as the strongest
version of Jeremy Hartman.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
At this point? Now, I'm just very blessed. Like I said,
I've gotten some good lifters, some good athletes, where before
I was always making them, you know, from the ground up.
So I think I'm just so excited because you know,
I got a guys one one thousand pounds, like another
guy behind him in the same white class, squatting over
nine hund they're both competing. When we get these get
togethers coming in, we're good my wrestlers. I got three
Division one wrestlers that were all training together, you know.

(57:42):
The other day I got two guys. I got one
guy going to IU Silos, so I mentioned a lot
during this podcast because he's like a son to me.
He was going to Kents State University. I got another
kid who just won sixteen U Cadet nationals too, who's
getting looked out a boy, A bunch of the ones.
So when you come in, you got all three of
these guys staring at you, kind of rip on, ready
to go. How can you not be excited about life?
You know, my volleyball players are in here, squad and

(58:03):
two hundred eighty five pounds weigh you know, one hundred
and thirty My my, my high jumper, you know, all Americans.
She's doing this stuff so and then. But most importantly,
I love when I have the middle people who are
just they haven't quite figured it out yet. So I'm
pushing them. I'm getting them to a new level. We
make breakthrough. So I just I get so excited about this.
How can you not wake up and want to train?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
A man, Jeremy, what are you listening to right now?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Music?

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Podcast, audio books?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Are you reading anything?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah? You know when I'm into a lot of articles
and stuff like that, some podcasts and stuff. Yeah. I
actually got in some of you guys. You know that
I've you guys had some good people on Aaron Zach point.
Did you guys out have enjoyed the work that you
guys have done? Zach evansh. She's always a motivator, for
MEA coach Mark Garrett, who I'd recommend being on the show.
He's the greatest high school strength coach to the nation.
He's at Crown Point, Indiana at Crown Point High School.

(58:53):
Him every day. I bounce ideas off him. When I
have questions about stuff, I call him up. Ed Cohen,
one of my greatest friends of all time. I talked
to Ed almost every single week on the phone. He'll
always take my phone call. I'll run stuff by him, like, Hey,
I'm thinking about this for one of my lifters, or Hey,
this is what happened with this what should I do
on this part? So I think I've just got enough
great people that I can bounce ideas off a lot
of times. I know what I want to do. I

(59:14):
just need somebody else to tell me this is what
you're thinking, And why are you calling me? You already
know the answer, It doesn't matter. I need to hear
about that stuff. I need to do that stuff. So yeah,
just whatever comes across. If there's some good lifters I
want to hear, if somebody recommend some good stuff, you know,
stuff that I'm not very good at, Like I'll give
an example, not nutrition, it's not a weakness of mine,
but it's something that's not as good as my strength training.
So there's some stuff on there that I've worked with

(59:35):
some other guys and talk with some other guys about.
You know, Charlie Francis one of the greatest speed coaches
of all times. Look at Charlie. He became a massage
therapist and he became like very well in the exercise
science to partner with everything and with protein synthesis and
stuff that he did. I just look at those coaches
like they are way above and beyond. I got a girl.
I got Megan Tomey, who's the Indiana University head throws coach.

(59:56):
She's actually a competitive lookter for me. She's a five
hundred pounds deadlifter one. You know, She's always sending me
articles or sending me Bonder truck stuff or stuff about
throwing because I love throwing athletes. I've had a lot
of those lately in here. I got to work with
Purdue University. She's brought me in for Indiana University. So
it's been neat to see all that stuff. So whenever
somebody comes across my desk, but I always number one
and this is your listeners out there. I scroll down

(01:00:18):
to the bottom. I see who the author is first,
what have they done? Who have they coached? What have
they produced? Then I'll read the article before I'd read anything,
so I encourage all of the people on this like, no,
look at who have they done, what have they produced?
What's their background with stuff? You know, not even if
it's a high level with everything, but what have they
been able to do from the ground up? Or you
know they what have they worked with and showing results from?
Then I'll read the article, listen to podcasts and go

(01:00:39):
from there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
You what are you listening to when you load up
the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
If my athletes did good, they get to choose the music.
If not, it's on me. So it depends day to day.
Sometimes we're in the nineties rap because that's me, all right.
Sometimes we're just in the Metallica the ac DC, I
think that's most common. Sometimes the kids and make playlists
for me and they know my music and what I like,
So it depends on what that stuff is with everything,
but kind of calm music. If we're driving to the gym,

(01:01:08):
the gym I was taking Jared to when he's up
here for his training camp, with about forty five minutes away,
so I couldn't get him too hyped up. So just
kind of calm country stuff there. But when it was
go time in we bought the bluetooth speaker out in
the gym. We had our own zone back there and
whatever he wanted or hey, pump this stuff up and
we go from there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
What's on when of a thousand pounds squat's going down?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
It doesn't really matter, you know, with him, he's so
focused and dialed in. When he's on point like that,
it's it's just amazing what he can do. So I
think we probably had a metallic or ACDC something you
know on it's good on that part. Maybe a little
bit of eminem on there too, at different parts, but
he doesn't hear it. He's getting so dialed in because
you have to be at that level with that amount

(01:01:50):
of weight on there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, no doubt. And the laser focused yep, Jeremy last one
is the light hard one to close it out. Maybe
it's something unique for wise, it goes down in and
around your area and here Indianapolis. Maybe it's a beverage
when you're celebrating. Do you have a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
No, I really, I really don't drink. I don't drink,
don't smoke. You know, I've really I look at all
the kids around me, and I've got so many kids
that look up to me and stuff. And even when
I go over to parent parties they invite me or
for graduations and stuff like that. I think I'm always
trying to set a good example, and I never want
the kids to see me that way or you know,
see me like you know stuff, I go out and
enjoy myself, there's no doubt, but I think I've just

(01:02:32):
got such a good example with everything that I always
try to set. I'm like, this kid was looking at me,
and I look at my best mentors that I really
looked up to. They were always setting a good example.
And that's that's the person I want to be. So
I think guilty pleasures. I think the one thing is
working too hard. You asked me how do I get
stuff done earlier in this podcast. You know, I guess
that I've gotten better with coaches and everything, but I'm
just I'm crazy about what I do. You know, when
I talk to other crazy coaches or people like you

(01:02:54):
guys too and Zach and everybody else, and Mark Garrett
and Steve Barrick and Megan told me like, I I
know that I'm good with them because I'm like, is
this normally? Like no, But that's what good coaches do,
That's what dedicated people do. That's what you know. They
think that we're crazy about everything. So I think my
guilty pleasure is working too hard, always wanting to, you know,
up some stuff more. But it's also helped all my athletes.
It's also gotten me really well, keeps me learning, keeps

(01:03:17):
me guessing. Doctor Eric Serrano, who speaks at Swiss Symposium,
just put me through a kick ass workout on Monday.
I mean to the point where I was not quitting,
but he was. He was starting to bend me. He
didn't break me. And I brought all this stuff back
excited for my kids and my kids like, oh god,
who de Hartman trained with?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
What the heck is this is putting us through? So
I think, yeah, not too many guilty pleasure except I
think it's the work ethic and working too hard sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
All that with no caffeine too. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Just a little bit before I work out, just a
little bit, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
But you're getting the work done without it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I mean when you have this amount of people,
and again, this has taken me how long to build up?
You know, I've been training people since you know, two
thousand and one. I graduate college in two thousand and six.
That's taken me this long to get this group of
people finally around me that I wanted, you know, and
you're continue developing the younger kids because the don't quite
get it with everything. I mean, how would you not
be excited when you got a guy live with you
who is gonna, you know, go to China and squad

(01:04:11):
over thousand pounds twice within ten minutes, you know, bringing
home medals, winter national titles. We got young kids in here,
set in national records. We got a lot of D
one guys, a lot of track and field. Now I'm
getting throwers in here who love you know, i mean throwers.
What do they do if they throw and they go lift?
You know what? An awesome group of everything. So, I mean,
it just keeps getting more excited, and more opportunities have
come available because of my hard work, and I've had

(01:04:32):
to seek out a lot and it's been very beneficial.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is Jeremy Hartman joining
us from Hartman Performance Training. We will be back tomorrow
evening with the Von Eric brothers. They're going to be
joining us talking about some professional wrestling, and then on
Wednesday night, Frank Parelli will be joining us from the
training center down still to Oklahoma to fill us in

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what they got going down there. So thanks for tuning
in tonight, make sure you give Jeremy a follow on
all his socials and we'll see you tomorrow night.

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