January 28, 2026 • 28 mins
On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (01/28/26), Hank shares on being fearfully and wonderfully made in Psalm 139, and how those opposing legislation restricting abortion are not pro-choice but pro-murder.
Hank also answers the following questions:
Matthew 5:28 says, “Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Would this be grounds for divorce? Gary - Springfield, MO (4:29)
Can you address the fundamentals of the Pentecostal faith and the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Edward - Winnipeg, MB (15:11)
My pastor noted that he now denies the divinity of Jesus and that he was influenced by Marcus Borg. Are you familiar with him? David - Burlington, NC (18:35)
What happens to our spirit after the body dies? Is it bad to look forward to dying to meet the Lord? David - Modesto, CA (22:48)
Hank also answers the following questions:
Matthew 5:28 says, “Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Would this be grounds for divorce? Gary - Springfield, MO (4:29)
Can you address the fundamentals of the Pentecostal faith and the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Edward - Winnipeg, MB (15:11)
My pastor noted that he now denies the divinity of Jesus and that he was influenced by Marcus Borg. Are you familiar with him? David - Burlington, NC (18:35)
What happens to our spirit after the body dies? Is it bad to look forward to dying to meet the Lord? David - Modesto, CA (22:48)
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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your host, Hank Cantagraph.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks very much, Rendy. I want to start out with
the words of Some one thirty nine. For you created
my inmost being. You knit me together at my mother's womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful. I know that full well. My
(01:06):
frame was not hidden from you when I was made
in the secret place. When I was woven together in
the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.
Those who continue to fight legislation restricting abortion are in
reality not pro choice. Rather, they are singularly pro murder.
(01:33):
While rhetoric has served to camouflage the carnage of abortion,
it remains the painful killing of an innocent human being
woven together by God in the womb. I say abortion
is painful in that the methods employed to kill a
(01:54):
preborn child involve burning, smothering, membering, and crushing, and such
procedures are executed on live babies who have not been
specifically anesthesized. Furthermore, abortion involves killing the zygote, which fulfills
(02:20):
the criteria needed to establish the existence of biological life.
Metabolism development, the ability to react to stimuli, and cell
reproduction is indeed terminated. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger tacitly
acknowledged this point when she said, the most merciful thing
(02:45):
a large family can do for one of its infant
members is to kill it. Abortion kills innocent human beings.
The child who is terminated is the product of human
parents and has a totally distinct human genetic code. Although
(03:09):
the emerging embryo does not have a fully developed personality,
it does have complete personhood from the moment of conception. Thus,
far from deserving capital punishment, these innocent humans deserve care
and protection. Well. Thankfully, in God's economy, there's hope for
(03:33):
those who have experienced the ravages of abortion. Not only
can they receive God's forgiveness in the hero and now,
but they can yet look forward to the ecstasy of
reuniting with their unborn loved ones in eternity. I have
often said on this broadcast that abortion isn't the real problem.
(03:57):
The real problem is sexual promiscuity. Abortion is simply the
cleanup operation. We need to recognize that God sets parameters
around our lives, not as a cosmic kill joy, but
that our joy may be complete. This is one of
the most serious issues of our time, and I would
(04:20):
be remiss if I didn't address this silent holocaust in
our midst from time to time, right to our phone calls.
First up today, we'll talk to Gary in Springfield, Missouri. Hi. Gary, Hello, Hey.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Thanks for taking my call. I am calling to ask
you about Matthew five twenty seven to thirty talks about
you're looking lustfully in a woman being adultery of the
heart and could that be construed as being the same
as physical adultery and grounds for divorce? Is there scriptural
precedence for that?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well? I think remember you have to look at divorce
as being something for someone whose heart has been hardened. Ultimately,
we should be looking at reconciliation rather than divorce. But
in terms of principle, once again, you cannot equate the two.
They are dramatically different in that there are dramatically different
(05:19):
consequences that are associated with the two of them. If
you commit adultery in your heart, the consequences are different
than if you actually commit physical adultery. So both are sins,
but the consequences are not equivalent. It's the same thing
with murder. You can think an angry or a murderous
(05:40):
thought in your heart. That's far different from taking an
act and actually murdering someone with it. The consequences are different.
So both are sins, but the consequences that follow them
are certainly a whole lot more serious for some of
that actually commits the physical.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Act right and the ones that happen in our hearts
is something that God will judge us for, you know,
unless we judge ourselves and the tent and get in
right relationship. But as opposed to like having an angry
thought and being taken to the civil court of man
right now, tying into that pornography is something that I've
battled with as well as many men in our society
(06:19):
do the nature of you know, the media and the technology.
But I'm battling against having become separated and the grounds
given for this scripture for Matthew twenty five, you know,
I mean, and then I'm also trying to look at
first rifteen seven, the first ten verses. I'm trying to
justify a physical separation that does not intel divorce. I'm
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not finding biblical precedents for that. I mean, my heart
is towards reconciliation too, but it takes two to tango.
And when a person you know will separate and cut
off all communication and all relationship, it's very hard to
approach that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
In the story, well, it is difficult, and you're absolutely right,
it does take two to tango. Here's the point that
for reconciliation to take place, there has to be someone
who is wanting to forgive and someone willing to be forgiven,
and then reconciliation can truly take place. But as long
as the doorway is open for reconciliation, that is where
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you want to focus your energies. And then on top
of that, you have an opportunity to do something, and
that is to learn the spiritual disciplines. And certainly having
discipline over the members of your body in any sense
is a spiritual discipline that we need to take seriously.
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And I want to say something about pornography and response
to your question, because it is an addictive behavior that
enslaves the mind and conditions users to view others as
mere objects of self gratification. And our Lord warns us
to guard our gaze. The eye is the lamp of
the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body
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will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad,
your whole body will be full of darkness. If then
the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness? Pornography?
And we need to take this seriously. It breaks the
sacred bond of marriage and as such tears apart the
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very fabric of society. When pornographic images are used to
satisfy sexual desire, a marriage partner is defrauded, and the
sermon on the Mount Jesus rendered lustful visual encounters the
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moral equivalent of extramerical sexual relations. So we can say
ongoing unrepentant use of pornography could rise to the level
of adultery that could be grounds for divorce. But again,
reconciliation is the way of the truly repentant. Let me
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make one more point. Just as marijuana is a precursor
to experimenting with ever more dangerous substances, so pornography often
leads to increasingly degrading sexual behaviors. Each one is tempted,
to James Winn by his own evil desire, he's dragged
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away and enticed than after desire has conceived. It gives
birth to sin, and sin when full blown, gives birth
to death. But even the strongest addiction to pornography can
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
I want to go back to the phone lines. I
want to talk to Edward next. He's listening in Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hi, Edward, Hello, Hank. I really appreciate talking with you.
I have really come to appreciate their knowledge and wisdom
and explaining scripture.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I got a question for you in regard to the
Pentecostal Church. We have been attending it for the last
four years and maybe a bit better, and there's always
some things that I'm not used to, which I find
hard to understand, and there's some that throw red flags
for me. One of them happened this Sunday. They had
a pamphletter. It has to do with four and five
year olds and they call it we College, and then
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it says designed to teach the fundamentals of the Pentecostal faith.
That's a red flag for me because it suggests to
me that there's a different faith for Pentecostals than there
is for the rest of us. Then they have things
like baptized than the Spirit. And there are a number
of people we know that supposedly have been baptized in
the Spirit, and yet I don't see their lives any
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different than other Christians. So there's two examples of what
you have a concern about. And I know you have
made comments in the past, and I don't recall what
they were.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Could you found on that a couple of things. First
of all, if you went to let's say a Calvinist church,
let's say you went to a PCA church, you would
have the distinctives of that denomination communicated as well. So
I don't think that there's any problem with a Pentecostal
church saying these are our distinctives as a Pentecostal body,
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this is what we adhere to. In fact, I think
it's good that they're forthrightly communicating that, and any denomination
would do that. And you got to remember that denominations
are separated on the basis of secondary issues. So as
long as this Pentecostal denomination holds to essential Christian doctrine,
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these are the main and plain things of scripture. You
can differ with them on the secondary issues. You can
debate those vigorously, and they could even be wrong on
those points, but that doesn't mean you have to separate
from them. I have been very blessed over the years,
as I mean, one of the great experiences my family
had when we were living back in Atlanta, Georgia, even
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before became president of the Christian Research Institute, was in
a Pentecostal church. And one of my favorite pastors to
this day is doctor Paul Walker, a Mount Parent Church
of God. He was an incredible man who was brilliant,
very biblically literate, and I learned a great deal from him,
and yet I differed with him on his own Pentecostal distinctives.
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And these were things that we debated vigorously, and then
we went out and played golf together. So we sincerely
appreciated one another. I am just in awe of his
biblical literacy and his preaching prowess, and the way in
which he carried on his life in ministry. So Pentecostalism,
I disagree that tongues is the evidence of the Holy Spirit.
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That's a Pentecostal distinctive. I think it may be a evidence,
but to say it's the evidence, I think goes beyond
the plane reading a scripture. But again, that's a secondary issue.
It's not something that divides me from my Pentecostal brothers
and sisters. And therefore I happily set under a Pentecostal
preacher who is grounded in the essentials of the historic
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Christian faith.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
That sounds good, Thank you very.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Much, my pleasure. I want to go back to the
phone lines. We'll talk next to David. He's listening in Burlington,
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Hi, David, Hey, Hey, thank you for taking my call.
This past Sunday. My pastor noted that now he believes
Jesus was not the son of God, but was a
man who experienced divine intervention. And the pastor noted that
he was recently influenced by a book Marcus Borg, and
I know he has read the writings of John Christen
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from the Jesus Seminary. Are you familiar with Marcus Borg,
because I am not.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and I am very familiar with the Jesus Seminar.
The founder, Robert Funk, for one, was bent on convincing
the world that the historical Jesus was not worthy of worship,
and he said that emphatically, Jesus himself should not be
must not be the object of faith. That would be
to repeat the idolatry of the first believers. And so
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he said. His stated objective was to liberate Jesus, because
the only Jesus most people know is a mythic Jesus.
They don't want the real Jesus, he said, they want
the one they can worship, the cultic Jesus. Now, his
co founder was John Dominic Crossen, and John Domnic Crossen
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took dead aim at the reser direction of Jesus Christ.
This is what cross And said. Tales of entombment and
resurrection were latter day wishful thinking. Instead, Jesus's corpse went
the way of all abandoned criminal's bodies. It was probably
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barely covered with dirt, vulnerable to the wild dogs that
roam the wasteland of the execution grounds. So the founders
of the Jesus Seminar make little attempt to hide their
disdain for the biblical Jesus. He's denigrated as a peasant
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Jewish cynic. He's demeaned as perhaps the first stand up
Jewish comic and the essentials of the historic Christian faith
in process are utterly demeaned and denigrated. So we should
recognize that these are people who are not Christian, people
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who demean essential Christian doctrine, and as such, we should
recognize that they are those that should be countered and
reached with the Gospel. But they're certainly not communicating the Gospel.
They're seeking at every turn to undermine the Gospel once
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for all delivered to the Saints.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Any advice that you would give in responding to this
link the church or confront No.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
No, absolutely, you want to leave the church and you
want to find a healthy, well balanced church. But I
think in the process you want to use this as
an opportunity because the fact of the matter is, you know,
the borg all of these people involved in the Jesus
seminar are seeking to undermine essential Christian doctrine. So what
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should we be doing. We should become so familiar with
the truth that we're able to take the deviations and
use them as springboards or opportunity to share the fact
that God created the universe, that Jesus Christ is God,
and that the Bible is divine as opposed to merely
human in origin. So at very least we should be
able to demonstrate that the resurrection is not grounded in mythology,
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but rather in a refutable historical fact. You can build
a cumuative case for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We
can demonstrate that Jesus Christ suffered fatal torment, that the
tomb was empty, that he appeared and gave convincing proofs
that he had risen from the dead, and that his
appearances utterly transformed scared, scattered disciples into lions of the faith.
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I want to go back to the phone lines. Talk
next to David listening on Modesta, California. Hi, David, Hey, good,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I have a question along Pathway two years ago, God
rest for soult and my mom was a strong believer
in Lord, and I'm just wondering, you know, after we die,
what happens to our spirits.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, absent from the body, present with the Lord. So
your mom, my dad who died in nineteen ninety seven,
they're absent from the body. They're present with the Lord,
but they're awaiting something that happens when the Lord appears
a second time, and that is the resurrection of the body.
At that time, their souls will return to their bodies.
Their bodies will rise immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Now is it bad to want to die to see
the Lord? I mean not in me of the suicidal attempts,
because I love living. God knows that. But so many
people fear dead. But I can't wait for it to come,
even though I know I'm still here on earth for
a reason. Is it bad to feel that way?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, let me give you a personal anecdote. Is something
that happened with my father, who died of the farbrossing
and the lungs which encroached upon his ability to assimilate oxygen.
And so you might say that he was literally suffocating
day by day and it became very difficult for him
to process even little bits of oxygen. And it was
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a suffocating, very tormenting kind of a death. And I
remember watching my dad as he was slowly dying, and
I said to my dad one day, wouldn't you just
rather go home and be with the Lord, because I
wanted to know what my dad was thinking about this,
And I saw his eyes light up and he said, no.
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Every day the Lord gives me, every moment is precious,
and I want to use it for his glory. And
I never understood that until the very moment that my
dad died. I was there and my dad, like a
Jewish patriarch, lay on his bed, he prayed for every
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one of his children, every one of his grandchildren, and
when he got to the last one of them, he
took a final breath and died. And I thought, what
an en incredible story about how every moment is precious
because on the last breath he had prayed for his
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last great grandchild. What an incredible testimony to the grace
of God in using every moment in a productive way
for his glory and for the extension of his kingdom.
God has left you here, David, for a purpose. Use
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the time. Don't just mark the time, but make a difference.
While there is yet time. You can be used for
God's greater glory in the lives of people and for
the working out of His kingdom while you are left
in this world, and then there will be eternal rewards. Behold,
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I'm coming soon, Jesus said. Blessed is he who occupies right.
Blessed are those who are doing the will of the
Father while they are yet on this earth. Thanks for
tuning in. We'll look forward to seeing you right here
next time with more of the Bible Instrument Broadcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks very much, Rendy. I want to start out with
the words of Some one thirty nine. For you created
my inmost being. You knit me together at my mother's womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful. I know that full well. My
(01:06):
frame was not hidden from you when I was made
in the secret place. When I was woven together in
the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.
Those who continue to fight legislation restricting abortion are in
reality not pro choice. Rather, they are singularly pro murder.
(01:33):
While rhetoric has served to camouflage the carnage of abortion,
it remains the painful killing of an innocent human being
woven together by God in the womb. I say abortion
is painful in that the methods employed to kill a
(01:54):
preborn child involve burning, smothering, membering, and crushing, and such
procedures are executed on live babies who have not been
specifically anesthesized. Furthermore, abortion involves killing the zygote, which fulfills
(02:20):
the criteria needed to establish the existence of biological life.
Metabolism development, the ability to react to stimuli, and cell
reproduction is indeed terminated. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger tacitly
acknowledged this point when she said, the most merciful thing
(02:45):
a large family can do for one of its infant
members is to kill it. Abortion kills innocent human beings.
The child who is terminated is the product of human
parents and has a totally distinct human genetic code. Although
(03:09):
the emerging embryo does not have a fully developed personality,
it does have complete personhood from the moment of conception. Thus,
far from deserving capital punishment, these innocent humans deserve care
and protection. Well. Thankfully, in God's economy, there's hope for
(03:33):
those who have experienced the ravages of abortion. Not only
can they receive God's forgiveness in the hero and now,
but they can yet look forward to the ecstasy of
reuniting with their unborn loved ones in eternity. I have
often said on this broadcast that abortion isn't the real problem.
(03:57):
The real problem is sexual promiscuity. Abortion is simply the
cleanup operation. We need to recognize that God sets parameters
around our lives, not as a cosmic kill joy, but
that our joy may be complete. This is one of
the most serious issues of our time, and I would
(04:20):
be remiss if I didn't address this silent holocaust in
our midst from time to time, right to our phone calls.
First up today, we'll talk to Gary in Springfield, Missouri. Hi. Gary, Hello, Hey.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Thanks for taking my call. I am calling to ask
you about Matthew five twenty seven to thirty talks about
you're looking lustfully in a woman being adultery of the
heart and could that be construed as being the same
as physical adultery and grounds for divorce? Is there scriptural
precedence for that?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well? I think remember you have to look at divorce
as being something for someone whose heart has been hardened. Ultimately,
we should be looking at reconciliation rather than divorce. But
in terms of principle, once again, you cannot equate the two.
They are dramatically different in that there are dramatically different
(05:19):
consequences that are associated with the two of them. If
you commit adultery in your heart, the consequences are different
than if you actually commit physical adultery. So both are sins,
but the consequences are not equivalent. It's the same thing
with murder. You can think an angry or a murderous
(05:40):
thought in your heart. That's far different from taking an
act and actually murdering someone with it. The consequences are different.
So both are sins, but the consequences that follow them
are certainly a whole lot more serious for some of
that actually commits the physical.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Act right and the ones that happen in our hearts
is something that God will judge us for, you know,
unless we judge ourselves and the tent and get in
right relationship. But as opposed to like having an angry
thought and being taken to the civil court of man
right now, tying into that pornography is something that I've
battled with as well as many men in our society
(06:19):
do the nature of you know, the media and the technology.
But I'm battling against having become separated and the grounds
given for this scripture for Matthew twenty five, you know,
I mean, and then I'm also trying to look at
first rifteen seven, the first ten verses. I'm trying to
justify a physical separation that does not intel divorce. I'm
(06:42):
not finding biblical precedents for that. I mean, my heart
is towards reconciliation too, but it takes two to tango.
And when a person you know will separate and cut
off all communication and all relationship, it's very hard to
approach that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
In the story, well, it is difficult, and you're absolutely right,
it does take two to tango. Here's the point that
for reconciliation to take place, there has to be someone
who is wanting to forgive and someone willing to be forgiven,
and then reconciliation can truly take place. But as long
as the doorway is open for reconciliation, that is where
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you want to focus your energies. And then on top
of that, you have an opportunity to do something, and
that is to learn the spiritual disciplines. And certainly having
discipline over the members of your body in any sense
is a spiritual discipline that we need to take seriously.
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And I want to say something about pornography and response
to your question, because it is an addictive behavior that
enslaves the mind and conditions users to view others as
mere objects of self gratification. And our Lord warns us
to guard our gaze. The eye is the lamp of
the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body
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will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad,
your whole body will be full of darkness. If then
the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness? Pornography?
And we need to take this seriously. It breaks the
sacred bond of marriage and as such tears apart the
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very fabric of society. When pornographic images are used to
satisfy sexual desire, a marriage partner is defrauded, and the
sermon on the Mount Jesus rendered lustful visual encounters the
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ongoing unrepentant use of pornography could rise to the level
of adultery that could be grounds for divorce. But again,
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leads to increasingly degrading sexual behaviors. Each one is tempted,
to James Winn by his own evil desire, he's dragged
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
I want to go back to the phone lines. I
want to talk to Edward next. He's listening in Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Hi, Edward, Hello, Hank. I really appreciate talking with you.
I have really come to appreciate their knowledge and wisdom
and explaining scripture.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I got a question for you in regard to the
Pentecostal Church. We have been attending it for the last
four years and maybe a bit better, and there's always
some things that I'm not used to, which I find
hard to understand, and there's some that throw red flags
for me. One of them happened this Sunday. They had
a pamphletter. It has to do with four and five
year olds and they call it we College, and then
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it says designed to teach the fundamentals of the Pentecostal faith.
That's a red flag for me because it suggests to
me that there's a different faith for Pentecostals than there
is for the rest of us. Then they have things
like baptized than the Spirit. And there are a number
of people we know that supposedly have been baptized in
the Spirit, and yet I don't see their lives any
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different than other Christians. So there's two examples of what
you have a concern about. And I know you have
made comments in the past, and I don't recall what
they were.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Could you found on that a couple of things. First
of all, if you went to let's say a Calvinist church,
let's say you went to a PCA church, you would
have the distinctives of that denomination communicated as well. So
I don't think that there's any problem with a Pentecostal
church saying these are our distinctives as a Pentecostal body,
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this is what we adhere to. In fact, I think
it's good that they're forthrightly communicating that, and any denomination
would do that. And you got to remember that denominations
are separated on the basis of secondary issues. So as
long as this Pentecostal denomination holds to essential Christian doctrine,
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these are the main and plain things of scripture. You
can differ with them on the secondary issues. You can
debate those vigorously, and they could even be wrong on
those points, but that doesn't mean you have to separate
from them. I have been very blessed over the years,
as I mean, one of the great experiences my family
had when we were living back in Atlanta, Georgia, even
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before became president of the Christian Research Institute, was in
a Pentecostal church. And one of my favorite pastors to
this day is doctor Paul Walker, a Mount Parent Church
of God. He was an incredible man who was brilliant,
very biblically literate, and I learned a great deal from him,
and yet I differed with him on his own Pentecostal distinctives.
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And these were things that we debated vigorously, and then
we went out and played golf together. So we sincerely
appreciated one another. I am just in awe of his
biblical literacy and his preaching prowess, and the way in
which he carried on his life in ministry. So Pentecostalism,
I disagree that tongues is the evidence of the Holy Spirit.
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That's a Pentecostal distinctive. I think it may be a evidence,
but to say it's the evidence, I think goes beyond
the plane reading a scripture. But again, that's a secondary issue.
It's not something that divides me from my Pentecostal brothers
and sisters. And therefore I happily set under a Pentecostal
preacher who is grounded in the essentials of the historic
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Christian faith.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
That sounds good, Thank you very.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Much, my pleasure. I want to go back to the
phone lines. We'll talk next to David. He's listening in Burlington,
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Hi, David, Hey, Hey, thank you for taking my call.
This past Sunday. My pastor noted that now he believes
Jesus was not the son of God, but was a
man who experienced divine intervention. And the pastor noted that
he was recently influenced by a book Marcus Borg, and
I know he has read the writings of John Christen
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from the Jesus Seminary. Are you familiar with Marcus Borg,
because I am not.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and I am very familiar with the Jesus Seminar.
The founder, Robert Funk, for one, was bent on convincing
the world that the historical Jesus was not worthy of worship,
and he said that emphatically, Jesus himself should not be
must not be the object of faith. That would be
to repeat the idolatry of the first believers. And so
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he said. His stated objective was to liberate Jesus, because
the only Jesus most people know is a mythic Jesus.
They don't want the real Jesus, he said, they want
the one they can worship, the cultic Jesus. Now, his
co founder was John Dominic Crossen, and John Domnic Crossen
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took dead aim at the reser direction of Jesus Christ.
This is what cross And said. Tales of entombment and
resurrection were latter day wishful thinking. Instead, Jesus's corpse went
the way of all abandoned criminal's bodies. It was probably
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barely covered with dirt, vulnerable to the wild dogs that
roam the wasteland of the execution grounds. So the founders
of the Jesus Seminar make little attempt to hide their
disdain for the biblical Jesus. He's denigrated as a peasant
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Jewish cynic. He's demeaned as perhaps the first stand up
Jewish comic and the essentials of the historic Christian faith
in process are utterly demeaned and denigrated. So we should
recognize that these are people who are not Christian, people
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who demean essential Christian doctrine, and as such, we should
recognize that they are those that should be countered and
reached with the Gospel. But they're certainly not communicating the Gospel.
They're seeking at every turn to undermine the Gospel once
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for all delivered to the Saints.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Any advice that you would give in responding to this
link the church or confront No.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
No, absolutely, you want to leave the church and you
want to find a healthy, well balanced church. But I
think in the process you want to use this as
an opportunity because the fact of the matter is, you know,
the borg all of these people involved in the Jesus
seminar are seeking to undermine essential Christian doctrine. So what
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should we be doing. We should become so familiar with
the truth that we're able to take the deviations and
use them as springboards or opportunity to share the fact
that God created the universe, that Jesus Christ is God,
and that the Bible is divine as opposed to merely
human in origin. So at very least we should be
able to demonstrate that the resurrection is not grounded in mythology,
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but rather in a refutable historical fact. You can build
a cumuative case for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We
can demonstrate that Jesus Christ suffered fatal torment, that the
tomb was empty, that he appeared and gave convincing proofs
that he had risen from the dead, and that his
appearances utterly transformed scared, scattered disciples into lions of the faith.
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I want to go back to the phone lines. Talk
next to David listening on Modesta, California. Hi, David, Hey, good,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I have a question along Pathway two years ago, God
rest for soult and my mom was a strong believer
in Lord, and I'm just wondering, you know, after we die,
what happens to our spirits.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, absent from the body, present with the Lord. So
your mom, my dad who died in nineteen ninety seven,
they're absent from the body. They're present with the Lord,
but they're awaiting something that happens when the Lord appears
a second time, and that is the resurrection of the body.
At that time, their souls will return to their bodies.
Their bodies will rise immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Now is it bad to want to die to see
the Lord? I mean not in me of the suicidal attempts,
because I love living. God knows that. But so many
people fear dead. But I can't wait for it to come,
even though I know I'm still here on earth for
a reason. Is it bad to feel that way?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, let me give you a personal anecdote. Is something
that happened with my father, who died of the farbrossing
and the lungs which encroached upon his ability to assimilate oxygen.
And so you might say that he was literally suffocating
day by day and it became very difficult for him
to process even little bits of oxygen. And it was
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a suffocating, very tormenting kind of a death. And I
remember watching my dad as he was slowly dying, and
I said to my dad one day, wouldn't you just
rather go home and be with the Lord, because I
wanted to know what my dad was thinking about this,
And I saw his eyes light up and he said, no.
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Every day the Lord gives me, every moment is precious,
and I want to use it for his glory. And
I never understood that until the very moment that my
dad died. I was there and my dad, like a
Jewish patriarch, lay on his bed, he prayed for every
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one of his children, every one of his grandchildren, and
when he got to the last one of them, he
took a final breath and died. And I thought, what
an en incredible story about how every moment is precious
because on the last breath he had prayed for his
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last great grandchild. What an incredible testimony to the grace
of God in using every moment in a productive way
for his glory and for the extension of his kingdom.
God has left you here, David, for a purpose. Use
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the time. Don't just mark the time, but make a difference.
While there is yet time. You can be used for
God's greater glory in the lives of people and for
the working out of His kingdom while you are left
in this world, and then there will be eternal rewards. Behold,
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I'm coming soon, Jesus said. Blessed is he who occupies right.
Blessed are those who are doing the will of the
Father while they are yet on this earth. Thanks for
tuning in. We'll look forward to seeing you right here
next time with more of the Bible Instrument Broadcast.
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