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Speaker 1 (00:07):
From the Christian Research Institute and Charlotte, North Carolina. You're
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thanks very much, Brandy. Let's go direct to the phone lines.
First up as Robert listening in Florida.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hi, Robert, Hey, I got a question of to spend
on my mind for years and years that I cannot
get interpretation of from anybody I talked to. And it's
in regard to the Ezekiel's vision of the Temple. And
I was always told that was a vision of the
millennial Temple that would come about in the millennium. The
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biggest question I have about it. If that's the case,
why is it mentioned in there about animal sacrifice?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, and that's the point, it cannot possibly be a
millennial temple, because if it is, then the blood of
Jesus Christ is not atone for all sin. Then in
the millennium you're going to have a temple presided over
by Jesus Christ in which sin offerings are going to
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be efficacious for ceremonial uncleanness and the like. So they're
going to atone for sin. And that is not possible
because Jesus Christ atoned for all sin, past, present and future.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right, that makes perfect sense. I just couldn't understand what
this of this temple that he took so much time
and space to see and when it was established, And
the closest I had a pastor tell me was that
was a temple that could have been had the children
of Israel been obedient.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, a couple of things here, I mean, think about this.
Not only would Ezra and Nehemiah rebuild Jerusalem and fulfillment
of Ezekiel's prophecies, but its glorious temple would be rebuilt,
and that glorious temple in the final Esketon will be
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the dwelling place of God and He will be there
forever with the Redeemed. Now, think about what happens and
the unfolding plan of redemption. Jesus Christ comes, and when
he does, there is no longer need for temple priest
and sacrifice. In fact, we can go further and say,
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according to Hebrews, to go back to temple priest and
sacrifice would be an abomination, tantamount to trampling upon the
precious blood of Jesus Christ. So once Jesus Christ comes,
there's no warrant whatsoever for a stone temple a building,
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because Jesus Christ is the temple. In fact, not only
is Jesus the temple, but we are the temple. We
are stones in the Temple of God. So the point
here that should be emphatically made is Jesus fulfills the
type and shadow, and when the type and shadow is fulfilled,
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to go back to it is an abomination. So what
do we celebrate now, Oh, we don't sacrifice animals. We
celebrate rate the Lord's supper because it is his broken
body and shed blood for the complete remission of sins.
And I think one of the problems that people have
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in reading Ezekiel is that Ezekiel, like the rest of
the prophets, speak as though the coming return from exile
and the ultimate return from the exile of sin which
we will experience in the Esketon, are one and the same,
or at least they are virtually indistinguishable one from the other. So,
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on the one hand, you have Ezekiel prophesying what is
fulfilled through Ezra and Nehemiah. On the other hand, the
ultimate fulfillment will be in an Esketon in which we
will forever be liberated from the stain of sin and death,
decay and destruction.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So you're saying that the vision was fulfilled when the
temple was rebuilt during the Amias time, and that's where
that particular vision applies.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, I'm not only saying that, but I'm adding to that,
I'm saying that it ultimately points to the Esketon, a
time in which we can say, is Ezekiel ends his
prophecy the Lord is there, which is to say, it
ultimately ends up in the temple that is displayed in
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Revelation chapter twenty one. In fact, if you take the
time to memorize Revelation chapter twenty one, you will see
the parallels between the temple that Ezekiel's talking about and
the temple that we will experience in the Escaton. Now,
obviously This temple is not to be taken in a
wooden literal sense in the Esketon, because there is no
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more real temple. It points to the temple of God
and the language it's self. If you root it in
the Old Testament, becomes poignant and profound, But if you
read it in a wooden literal sense, you'll end up
with nonsense. Just as if I said to you it
was raining cats and dogs here in Charlotte, North Carolina,
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and you thought I meant cats and dogs, We're falling
out of the sky. No, I meant it was raining hard.
So the metaphor has sharp teeth pointing to a sharp reality,
something real that happened in history. The same thing is true.
Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of temple, priest and sacrifice.
He has come, He will appear a second time, and
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when he does, we will enjoy a temple not built
by human hands, forever and ever and ever without end.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, I should appreciate that that's given me a lot
of insight.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Thank you so much for your call.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Very much. God bless you.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
God bless you as well. I've written about this and
many related subjects in my book The Apocalypse Code. I
know what the Bible really say that it's about the
end times and why it matters today. Available through the
Ministry of the Christian Research Institute. You can order online
at equipped dot org. Let's go back to the phone
lines and talk next to Eric. He's listening to more
Oklahoma High Eric.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Hey, how you doing good?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
How are you doing well?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I've ran into a group, which I guess you guys
have called the local church, and I've been looking at
their materials and I have to say, I haven't seen
anything essentially deviant, but I have seen a bit of
difference in it. And I was wanting to know why
they're driving such a distinction between the Kingdom of the
Heavens and the Kingdom of God, because I don't see
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what they're really reaching for here and what seems to
be so important in their eyes.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, it's a common distinction that is made, and it's
not just made in the local churches. It is made
by many different people. I simply disagree. I mean, this
is something we can debate vigorously, we ultimately don't have
to div ight over. In Matthew nineteen, the Kingdom of
God and the Kingdom of Heaven are used interchangeably. I
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tell you the truth. It is hard for a rich
man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It is easier
for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom
of God. So from my perspective, this distinction is not warranted.
The Kingdom of Heaven was offered to the Jews but rejected,
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and thus will be postponed to millenial kingdom during which
Christ will rule from Jerusalem. Is the basic idea that
is forwarded by those who hold this distinction. I simply
don't see it. In reality, the two phases are synonymous
and meaning since Jews avoided the use of the name
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God and yeah, so the two phrases are synonymous, and
I think that's the point. The Jews avoided the use
of the name God, and Matthew was writing primarily to
a Jewish audience, and therefore his preference was the Kingdom
of Heaven. Although Matthew does use the Kingdom of God
a number of different times. I just quoted one of
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the passages in which he does use the Kingdom of God.
So I don't see this distinction. But this is a
secondary issue. I think that one of the things we
need to realize is that those who are involved not
only in the local churches, but also in dispensationalism in general,
are not people that we need to shun and sink well,
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they have a different gospel. We stand shoulder to shoulder
with them on essential Christian doctrine, unless you have people
like a John Hagy who says, now, the distinctive is
such that if you don't believe them, you're a peddler
of godless heresy. So he's taking dispensationalism and making it
an essential and if you don't believe him, then you
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violated an essential. And I think that's just dead wrong.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, I agree with And that was my whole demeanor
towards these individuals as I'm speaking with them. I was
praying that God would give me an open mind and
an open heart to them, because I didn't want to
presynthesize anything against them that would, you know, categorically put
them into a deviant section.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well they or not. And in fact, one of the
things I should point out is we did a primary
research project that lasted over six years on what's known
as the local church or the movement of Watchmen Mee
and Witness Lee, and we have determined that they are
thoroughly orthodox. So we may disagree on secondary matters, but
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the one thing you will find is that you can
stand shoulder to shoulder with people in the local churches
on essential Christian doctorate. Not only that, but I will
say this, as I have researched this myself, I have
found an example of authentic New Testament Christianity that is
making a really big difference, particularly in places like Asia
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and even more specifically in China. So this is not
a cultic group. This is a thoroughly orthodox Christian group.
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Speaker 2 (15:12):
Thank you very much, Randy, and let's get right back
to our phone callers. Next up is Randy in Saint Louis, Missouri. Hi, Randy, Hi,
how you doing good?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
My question is I believe one hundred percent that the
Bible is the God breeds infallible work of God. What
I don't understand is it was written over fourteen one
hundred some odd years with sixty six different authors. I
don't understand how it got to be the Bible. What
letters of Paul do they decide to put in? Who
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decided that? How did that all become? I know it's
got Greek and Hebrew, and I just I don't understand
all that.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Well. A couple of things. One, it wasn't sixty six
different authors, but it was written on different continents and
different languages by many different authors. On literally hundreds of
different subjects, but with complete internal consistency, which is called
the principle of perspecuity. And thus we know that each
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book of the Bible is clear and consistent with the
rest of God's revelation and free from doctrinal or factual air. Now,
the first thing that we can say is that the
Old Testament was completed at the time of Christ. And
Christ could therefore refer back to the Old Testament canon
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and say that not a single jot or a tittle
would disappear from the law until everything had been accomplished.
A jot the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet, a
tittle a microscopic appendage on the end of a Hebrew letter.
So Jesus Christ is saying, not the smallest letter, not
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the least stroke of a pen, will disappear from the
law until everything has been accomplished. As far as the
newest estimate is concerned, early Church fathers accepted books as
part of the canon on the basis that they were
widely used within the churches and ultimately traceable to the
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authority of the apostles and prophets, and the books that
people today think are equivalent or even better than what
we have in the canon. Simply don't pass muster. For example,
it's very popular today to say that the Gospel of
Judas is better than the Gospel of John. The problem
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is that the Gospel of Judas is a late Gnostic gospel,
and that doesn't require a lot of brilliance. I remember
one day in my office together a couple of us
read the Gospel of Judas out loud, and by the
time we are done, we're in stitches. It obviously is
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not inspired. It doesn't take a budding theolog to figure
that out. The Gospel of Thomas, where you have make
Mary leave us because Mary was a woman and she
could not attain to the prowess of a man. This
is a patriarchal gnosticism which is completely in conflict with
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the canon that we have. The canon that we have
happens to place women on the same level as men
in a context in which women were considered property. So
the Bible was counter revolutionary and says no, no, women
are ontologically equal to men. This was completely against all
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norms in the Gnostic gospels, which people today, like in
the Jesus semin are in the life. They want to
add these gospels to the Bible. They're into this patriarchal religion.
They want to add this men dominated kind of religion
to our Bible, and that is simply something that flies
against what God has determined. So we can say that
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the canon was determined by God and only discovered by
men on the basis of principles. And those principles I've
actually alliterated in a little flip chart that's called memorable
Keys to a central Christian doctrine.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Okay, one other question is when was it written in
Greek and when was it written in Hebrew? What's the
difference in that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well, remember, the Old Testament was predominantly written in Hebrew.
The New Testament was written in Greek, and all of
the New Testament was written prior to the destruction of
Jerusalem and its temple. We can say that with absolute
certainty because you can imagine that if in fact, someone
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was writing as an apostle after the destruction of the temple,
they would have certainly mentioned the most apocalyptic event in
Jewish history, particularly since there Messiah had predicted that it
would happen.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, hey, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
You got it, and I've written about this in a
lot of detail in a book titled Has God Spoken?
And what that book is is memorable proofs that the
Bible is divine rather than merely human in origin. So
I provide the information in memorable format. The book is
based on an acronym that gives you the grid, and
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then all of the information can be remembered by sub acronyms,
so that the twenty two chapters you can actually remember.
I can put it in your mind in a very
short period of time. When you see the book, you
just see how wonderful this is. Because I don't want
you just to buy a book. I want you to
inscribe the information on the tablet of your heart so
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you can use it to make a difference, not just
for time, but also for attorney. Let's go back to
the phone lines. We'll talk next time to Gabe Listing
in Alive Branch, Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Hi, Gabe, Yes, thank you for your ministry. I was wondering,
have you ever heard the concept that isam Messiah is
Christianity's Antichrist.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, it's a nonsensical notion, and the reason it is
is remember that John points out what Antichrist is He
points out that anyone who denies that Jesus Christ has
come in the flesh is Antichrist. As such, any individual
or any institution, whether it be Islam or some person
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who is an adherent of a world religion or a cult,
that denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh,
they are Antichrist according to the Bible. So Antichrist is
not only an institution like Islam, but it is also
individuals throughout the whole panoply of history who deny Jesus
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Christ has come in the flesh. In other words, you
can't just say there is a Antichrist in a particular
epic of time. Antichrist is a disease running through all
of history.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Okay, fine, boy, thank you for your answer.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You got it, and let me ground this answer some more.
The apostle John exposed Antichrist specifically and writing who is
the liar? It's the man who denies that Jesus is
the Christ. Such a man is the Antichrist. He denies
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the Father and the son. No one, says John, who
denies the son has the father? Whoever acknowledges the son
has the father? Also, many deceivers who do not acknowledge
Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out
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into the world. Any such person, writes John, is the
deceiver and the Antichrist. Notice that he's not limiting it
to a individual. In a particular epic of time, John
taught that all who deny the incarnation, the messianic role
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the deity of Jesus Christ are instances of Antichrist. And
therefore the term antichrist refers not only to the apostasy
of individuals, but to the apostasy of institutions, of ideologies,
and in that sense modern day cults, world religions, evolutionism, communism,
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they can all rightly be considered antichrist. Of the Book
of Revelation, John identifies both an individual and an institution
that represents the ultimate personification of evil, in other words,
the archetypal Antichrist. And he refers to this archetypal Antichrist
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as a beast who deceived the inhabitants of the earth.
And he draws upon Daniel's apocalyptic depiction of evil world powers.
And he describes an emperor in his own epic who
arrogantly sets himself, and not only himself, but the empire
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against God. He violently persecutes the saints. He grossly violates
the commandments through a long litany of disgusting demonstrations of depravity.
Of course, not the least that was the demand that
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he be worshiped as Lord in God, again, the ultimate
personification of evil identified in the Bible, but never the
only personification of evil. There is Christ the Lamb. There
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is Antichrist, the beast. That we take on the mark
of the Lamb, or we take on the mark of
the beast. We either have the Father's name written on
our foreheads or we have the name of the beast
written on our foreheads. That is not inferring a magic marker.
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By the way, what you do and your worldview identifies
you categorically in terms of who you belong to. Your
words and your worldview give you away. That's all that's necessary.
We're out of time for this edition of the Bible
Instrment Broadcast. Look forward to seeing you right here next
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Spoken answers what is surely the most important question facing
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attackers and clearly shows that belief in the Holy Scriptures
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