January 14, 2026 • 28 mins
On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (01/14/26), Hank answers the following questions:
Several passages in the Book of Mormon are from the Bible. How could it not be from God? Doug - Oklahoma City, OK (0:50)
Why do Mormons believe they can become gods? Marty - Springdale, AR (3:52)
What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Is it healing and speaking in tongues? Marty - Springdale, AR (6:07)
Is the kingdom of God on Earth in the Apocalypse? New Jerusalem coming down from heaven? Tad - Louisville, KY (15:11)
Is having proof necessary for genuine faith? The same type of evidence used to support the Bible can be used to support the Book of Mormon. Dennis - Orlando, FL (19:34)
Several passages in the Book of Mormon are from the Bible. How could it not be from God? Doug - Oklahoma City, OK (0:50)
Why do Mormons believe they can become gods? Marty - Springdale, AR (3:52)
What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Is it healing and speaking in tongues? Marty - Springdale, AR (6:07)
Is the kingdom of God on Earth in the Apocalypse? New Jerusalem coming down from heaven? Tad - Louisville, KY (15:11)
Is having proof necessary for genuine faith? The same type of evidence used to support the Bible can be used to support the Book of Mormon. Dennis - Orlando, FL (19:34)
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Broadcasting across the United States, Canada, and around the world.
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you very much, Randy, A lot of you hanging on.
We'll go right to our phone callers. First up, Doug,
he's listening to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hi, Doug.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I want to make this as brief as possible. Sure,
there's several points that I would like to get across.
I'm sixty two years old, Vietnam, VET. My experience with
the church when I was a child was just so
I could play I was baptized in the Baptist Church
and I only did that because I wanted to play
it under baseball team went to Vietnam a few years later,
(01:18):
and when I came over with Vietnam, I decided I
knew there was no God. A couple of years goes by,
I had a little experience on the mountain in Colorado
and came down with Daddy of mine that there was
a God and that Jesus had something to do it.
Next thing, I know, I'm being a couple of normal
(01:38):
missionaries come visit me, and they talked me into this
Mormon thing, and so I was baptized again. This time
was by them. And you know, I believe the story
about Jesus and everything, but I didn't know much about
this Mormon thing. And one of the things that they
suggested for me to do was to pray about the
(02:02):
truth of this matter with you know, good intentions, and
the truth would be revealed to me. Well, I had
been reading the Bible some, but I hadn't read all
that much of it. But as I was reading the
Book of Mormon, I encountered some passages that were familiar
(02:22):
to me, and I thought, wait a minute, I've read
this before. Now my question is, how is it that
there were passages in the Book of Mormon. Uh, several
chapters word for word identical to passage in the Book
(02:42):
of Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, well I can answer that question, and it's probably
the greatest crack and the credibility of the Book of Mormon.
It is that whole sections, as you have already discerned,
were derived directly from the King James version of the Bible.
And that despite the fact that, according to Mormon chronology,
the Book of Mormon predates the King James version by
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more than one thousand years, by more than a millennium.
And that is, I guess, one more reason that Mormons
accept the Book of Mormon based on a burning in
the Bosom as opposed to accepting it on the basis
of history and evidence. I want to go right back
to the phone lines. Let's talk next to Marty listening
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in Springdale, Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hi, Marty, how are you doing good? Her are you?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm doing quite well. I had a couple questions. One
of them is quite simple. The question that I had
is how do actually why do the Mormons believe that
they will become God's I mean, that just pretty much
cancels what they think that they're Christians.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, that goes right to the heart of the issue,
doesn't it. I mean they use God himself as the prototype.
So Christians believe that God is spirit based on teachings
such as John four, but Joseph Smith Todd, God himself
was once as we are. Now he's an exalted man.
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He sits enthroned in yonder heavens. They also hold to
a plurality of God's and then contend that as you
are God once was, and as God is, you can become.
And that's the essence of the issue in Mormonism, you
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can become as God is and God once was as
you are. In Christian theology, the bridge between God's incommunicable
attributes and humanity can never be papered over with rhetoric.
It's an unspannable bridge. We have in common with God
(04:58):
what are called communic attributes. For example, we can love
as God loves in a finite way. We can experience
the infinite love of God. We have volition, as God
has volition. These are called communicable attributes because they find
(05:20):
a reflection in humankind. But what we do not have
are the incommunicable attributes of God. Will never be transcendent,
will never be omnipotent, will never be omnicient. Humanity cannot
bear the burden of omniscience. We will never know everything.
(05:40):
So even in eternity we will learn and grow and
develop without error. But we will still learn and grow
and develop, we won't know everything. So the difference here
makes all the difference in the world. And virtually every
single theological heresy begins with a mini conception of the
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nature of God, which is precisely what you have with
Mormon theology right now.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
The other question that I had, Hank, I'm having a
kind of like an issue with it. I guess I'm
trying to figure out. I haven't been Christian very long,
and you know, I kind of know, I feel that
it's true. I feel that, you know, like you said,
you can't just go buy feelings though, but I've always
also experienced quite a bit of miracles in the church.
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And my question was about being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
You know, there's there's different ways of people, you know,
present that as speaking in tongues or prophesying or being
able to do healing and stuff like that. So I
didn't know, what, how can you explain that in a
way that's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, I think you have to understand this a difference
between in dwelling and in filling. Now, you mentioned that
you've been a Christian for some time now, not a
long time, but you have been a Christian for a while,
and as a Christian, you are in dwelt by the
Holy Spirit. Your temple is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
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But as one in dwelt by the Holy Spirit, you
are also one who needs to be continually infilled by
the Spirit. And what that means is daily being empowered
to do the work of God, not by might nor
by power, but by His Spirit. Which is to say
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that there's a lot I can do in the flesh.
I can come on air, put on my headset, and
I can start speaking out of the learning that I've
done over many years. But I am incapable of touching
anyone's heart. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And
that's why daily I pray Lord in fill me with
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your spirit, not just once, but over and over again,
so that I can be a useful vessel in your service.
So I think the basic, simple answer to your question
is a distinction between in dwelling and in filling. And
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some people now say that there is a one time
in filling. It's called the baptism of the Holy Spirit,
and it's evidenced by tongues. Now, I don't agree with
that it's an in house debate. We can debate it vigorously.
I don't have to agree with that. I think that
that goes beyond what the text of scripture allows. I
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think it can be potentially a experience, but I don't
think it is the experience speaking of tongues, nor do
I think that tongues are normative. I don't rule out
the possibility that God could cause someone to speak in
another tongue in another language, but I don't think that
this is normative.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think this is a divine act.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's the inverse of what happened at the Tower of Babel,
where tongues were diffused, and now tongues for a specific
purpose are used at Pentecost and even beyond, in order
that the Gospel might go out to the nations.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Of the earth.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I actually agree with you
on asking for Christ to f fill you with the
Holy Spirit daily.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And that's the point. The dwelling of the spirit happens
at conversion. The infilling of the spirit happens continually. You
might want to take a look at Ephesians five eighteen
and again that's why we daily seek the Holy Spirit
to empower us, whether in our prayers to God, in
our proclamations of the Gospel. Indeed, whereever the Gospel penetrates
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the human heart, it isn't by might, it's not by power,
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Thanks very much, Brandy, and let's go back to the fore line.
Doctor Tad. He's listening in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Hi, Tad, Hi, how are you? I'm well? Thank you.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
My question is I want to know in apocalypse if
the heaven kindole will be on Earth, the whole Kingdom
of God, it will be trans on earth. Because after
the millennium, when at the reign of Price, say the apocalypse,
say john't say he said the new Jerusalem come down
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for heaven, God treade new Heaven.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
New Earth.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
By I say he said the new Jerusalem come from heaven.
Doesn't mean sure like Price went back to heaven, the
sins went back to heaven.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And I think, right, well.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Here's what's going on, Tad. What's going on is that
when the Lord Jesus Christ returns, he is going not
to return to take us up to be ethereal Casper,
the ghosts strumming harps on some cloud somewhere. But what
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will happen is everyone will be resurrected. In fact, Jesus
said that very thing. Do not be amazed at this.
A time is coming when all who in the grace
will come out, Some will rise to live, and some
will rise to be condemned. So the point is we
will be resurrected physically. Christianity is not a platonic religion.
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It is a very physical religion. We will be resurrected,
like unto our Lord who was resurrected physically. So as
a case in point, my dad, who died in nineteen
ninety seven, is absent from the body present with the Lord.
But when the Lord returns, or when as Hebrews puts it,
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he appears a second time, my dad's Saul will return
to his body. That body now immortal, imperishable, incorruptible, So
he will be truly a body, soul, unity, a human being,
not in a cloud, because he's physical. He's going to
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be in a physical universe. And that's why Scripture makes
clear that the universe now groans and travail as it were,
awaiting its liberation from bondage to decay. And you see
this depicted in the very passage that you now reference,
Revelation chapter twenty one. A new heaven, a new Earth,
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not Nios but Kinos, in other words, not altogether different,
but restored, resurrected, renewed, the first heaven and Earth have
been transformed and as such passed away. There's no longer
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any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem,
coming down into heaven from God, prepared as a bride,
beautifully dressed for her husband. Heard a loud voice from
the throne saying, now the dwelling of God is with men.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Now, if you go back to Genesis.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You have God walking with Adam and Eve in the
cool of the day, God taking on as it were,
human form, engaging, relating with human beings. And so it
will be in the New Jerusalem. Because ultimately, what is
the New Jerusalem. It is Paradise lost. Now Paradise restored.
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That is what we look forward to. So when the
Lord returns with a loud command, with a voice of
the Archangel, with a trumpet call of God, we will
be utterly resurrected, living in an utterly resurrected universe with
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a marvelously resurrected Lord. Paradise lost will then genuinely be
Paradise restored. That is what we look forward to. We'll
go back to the phone lines, doctor Dennis Orlando, Florida, Hi, Dennis.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Hell, I ain't God bless you?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Okay, I was wondering. You said that basically it's okay
to have faith, but in addition to the faith, we
also have to have the proof. And I was just
wondering if you could I've got a couple of you know,
like Bible kind of kind of examples, and wondering if
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you could explain where that fits into these Like in
Romans ten ten, it says it's with the heart that
man believeth unto righteousness. And then when Thomas was not
there the first time that the resurrected Christ showed himself
to the apostles, Thomas says, I won't believe until I,
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you know, can feel that see the prince in his hands,
and thrust my hand in his side. But then when
the Savior allowed him that opportunity, the Savior said, you know,
you know, you're blessed for having seen me, but more
blessed are those who believe on your words or you know,
the words of the apostles without physically seeing or touching.
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And I was wondering if you could explain.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That we have Moses in the prophets according to Jesus Christ.
If we don't believe that, we're not going to believe
even if someone rises from the dead. In other words,
we have all the evidence necessary. And that's the point.
The Bible is demonstratably an authority, and I think is
related to your question in Romans ten to ten. The
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problem that we make in Western Christianity in particular is
a false dichotomy between heart and head, and we opt
for the latter, sometimes as being more intelligent, more rationally true.
But the heart, biblically is a seat of knowledge. And
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going back to Thomas, he was rebuked for not having
believed the credible testimony of the disciples who had seen
the resurrected Christ. Remember, there were witnesses. Those witnesses testified
to the resurrection, and Thomas, though he received the testimony,
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yet did not believe. So again, this is not a
belief that is blind faith. The historic Christian faith never
calls us to blind faith, always calls us to faith
in irrefutable fact, which is to say, we can know
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that God created the universe. That's an irrefutable fact. Out
of nothing, nothing comes. Every effect has to have a
cause equal to or greater than itself. So when we
look at the heavens at night, we don't suppose nothing
produced everything. So we have the testimony of creation. We
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also have the testimony of Christ in the resurrection. He's
given us many infallible proofs, and pull lays that out systematically.
In First Corinthians, chapter fifteen. He says, what I received,
I passed on to you as of first importance, and
then he lays out the evidence. So he's not saying,
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believe me because I say it, but believe the evidence.
It speaks to you as from the grave. And then
also we have the testimony of the Bible, which is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
A cumulative testimony.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
For example, why do you think we have almost six
thousand manuscripts of the New Testament alone? It is because housed,
as it were, in the manuscript evidence is the autographs,
the originals in such a way that no human being
can control them, and in such a way that the
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tenacity of the text can produce the autograph. Now, we
don't believe that because there's no evidence. We believe that
because there is evidence. Why is it that I say
the Book of Mormon is false? Well, the evidence points
against it, both from the perspective of archaeology and anthropology.
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The exact same thing cannot be said about the Bible.
In fact, the opposite is true of the Bible. Archaeology
demonstrates the tenacity of the text.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
But with the Book of Mormon, you're trying to use
the same type of evidence as available for the Bible
and use it for the Book of Mormon. That type
of evidence is not specifically available. The Bible land has
been continuous since the time of Moses and Poor and
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those names and things are still available, whereas with the
Book of Mormon, the greatest civilization that was there basically
was destroyed, so we're the books and things that were
available to them, so that proof that is available for
the Bible is not available for the Book of Mormon.
We know that there are civilizations, we know that there
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are cities, we know that there were temples, that there
are religious artifacts that are still being discovered in the
Central America.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Dennis, that is simply wrong. Archaeology is a powerful testimony
to the accuracy of the Bible, but that's not true
with the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
There's no archaeological to me.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
That the pyramids and all of those things that are
in Central America are not there or no.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What I'm saying is there's no archaeological evidence for a
language such as Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics. There's no archaeological support
for lands like the Land of Moron in Ether seven
to six. There's no archaeological evidence to buttress the notion
that the Juradites, the Nephites, the Lamanites migrated from Israel
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to the Americas. On the contrary, archaeology and anthropology demonstrate
conclusively that the people and places chronicled in the Book
of Mormon are little more than the product of a
fertile imagination. We're out of time, Thanks for tuning in.
We'll see you next time right here with more of
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you very much, Randy, A lot of you hanging on.
We'll go right to our phone callers. First up, Doug,
he's listening to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hi, Doug.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I want to make this as brief as possible. Sure,
there's several points that I would like to get across.
I'm sixty two years old, Vietnam, VET. My experience with
the church when I was a child was just so
I could play I was baptized in the Baptist Church
and I only did that because I wanted to play
it under baseball team went to Vietnam a few years later,
(01:18):
and when I came over with Vietnam, I decided I
knew there was no God. A couple of years goes by,
I had a little experience on the mountain in Colorado
and came down with Daddy of mine that there was
a God and that Jesus had something to do it.
Next thing, I know, I'm being a couple of normal
(01:38):
missionaries come visit me, and they talked me into this
Mormon thing, and so I was baptized again. This time
was by them. And you know, I believe the story
about Jesus and everything, but I didn't know much about
this Mormon thing. And one of the things that they
suggested for me to do was to pray about the
(02:02):
truth of this matter with you know, good intentions, and
the truth would be revealed to me. Well, I had
been reading the Bible some, but I hadn't read all
that much of it. But as I was reading the
Book of Mormon, I encountered some passages that were familiar
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to me, and I thought, wait a minute, I've read
this before. Now my question is, how is it that
there were passages in the Book of Mormon. Uh, several
chapters word for word identical to passage in the Book
(02:42):
of Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, well I can answer that question, and it's probably
the greatest crack and the credibility of the Book of Mormon.
It is that whole sections, as you have already discerned,
were derived directly from the King James version of the Bible.
And that despite the fact that, according to Mormon chronology,
the Book of Mormon predates the King James version by
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more than one thousand years, by more than a millennium.
And that is, I guess, one more reason that Mormons
accept the Book of Mormon based on a burning in
the Bosom as opposed to accepting it on the basis
of history and evidence. I want to go right back
to the phone lines. Let's talk next to Marty listening
(03:27):
in Springdale, Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hi, Marty, how are you doing good? Her are you?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'm doing quite well. I had a couple questions. One
of them is quite simple. The question that I had
is how do actually why do the Mormons believe that
they will become God's I mean, that just pretty much
cancels what they think that they're Christians.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, that goes right to the heart of the issue,
doesn't it. I mean they use God himself as the prototype.
So Christians believe that God is spirit based on teachings
such as John four, but Joseph Smith Todd, God himself
was once as we are. Now he's an exalted man.
(04:11):
He sits enthroned in yonder heavens. They also hold to
a plurality of God's and then contend that as you
are God once was, and as God is, you can become.
And that's the essence of the issue in Mormonism, you
(04:33):
can become as God is and God once was as
you are. In Christian theology, the bridge between God's incommunicable
attributes and humanity can never be papered over with rhetoric.
It's an unspannable bridge. We have in common with God
(04:58):
what are called communic attributes. For example, we can love
as God loves in a finite way. We can experience
the infinite love of God. We have volition, as God
has volition. These are called communicable attributes because they find
(05:20):
a reflection in humankind. But what we do not have
are the incommunicable attributes of God. Will never be transcendent,
will never be omnipotent, will never be omnicient. Humanity cannot
bear the burden of omniscience. We will never know everything.
(05:40):
So even in eternity we will learn and grow and
develop without error. But we will still learn and grow
and develop, we won't know everything. So the difference here
makes all the difference in the world. And virtually every
single theological heresy begins with a mini conception of the
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nature of God, which is precisely what you have with
Mormon theology right now.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
The other question that I had, Hank, I'm having a
kind of like an issue with it. I guess I'm
trying to figure out. I haven't been Christian very long,
and you know, I kind of know, I feel that
it's true. I feel that, you know, like you said,
you can't just go buy feelings though, but I've always
also experienced quite a bit of miracles in the church.
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And my question was about being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
You know, there's there's different ways of people, you know,
present that as speaking in tongues or prophesying or being
able to do healing and stuff like that. So I
didn't know, what, how can you explain that in a
way that's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, I think you have to understand this a difference
between in dwelling and in filling. Now, you mentioned that
you've been a Christian for some time now, not a
long time, but you have been a Christian for a while,
and as a Christian, you are in dwelt by the
Holy Spirit. Your temple is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
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But as one in dwelt by the Holy Spirit, you
are also one who needs to be continually infilled by
the Spirit. And what that means is daily being empowered
to do the work of God, not by might nor
by power, but by His Spirit. Which is to say
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that there's a lot I can do in the flesh.
I can come on air, put on my headset, and
I can start speaking out of the learning that I've
done over many years. But I am incapable of touching
anyone's heart. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And
that's why daily I pray Lord in fill me with
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your spirit, not just once, but over and over again,
so that I can be a useful vessel in your service.
So I think the basic, simple answer to your question
is a distinction between in dwelling and in filling. And
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some people now say that there is a one time
in filling. It's called the baptism of the Holy Spirit,
and it's evidenced by tongues. Now, I don't agree with
that it's an in house debate. We can debate it vigorously.
I don't have to agree with that. I think that
that goes beyond what the text of scripture allows. I
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think it can be potentially a experience, but I don't
think it is the experience speaking of tongues, nor do
I think that tongues are normative. I don't rule out
the possibility that God could cause someone to speak in
another tongue in another language, but I don't think that
this is normative.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think this is a divine act.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's the inverse of what happened at the Tower of Babel,
where tongues were diffused, and now tongues for a specific
purpose are used at Pentecost and even beyond, in order
that the Gospel might go out to the nations.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Of the earth.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I actually agree with you
on asking for Christ to f fill you with the
Holy Spirit daily.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And that's the point. The dwelling of the spirit happens
at conversion. The infilling of the spirit happens continually. You
might want to take a look at Ephesians five eighteen
and again that's why we daily seek the Holy Spirit
to empower us, whether in our prayers to God, in
our proclamations of the Gospel. Indeed, whereever the Gospel penetrates
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the human heart, it isn't by might, it's not by power,
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Thanks very much, Brandy, and let's go back to the fore line.
Doctor Tad. He's listening in Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Hi, Tad, Hi, how are you? I'm well? Thank you.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
My question is I want to know in apocalypse if
the heaven kindole will be on Earth, the whole Kingdom
of God, it will be trans on earth. Because after
the millennium, when at the reign of Price, say the apocalypse,
say john't say he said the new Jerusalem come down
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for heaven, God treade new Heaven.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
New Earth.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
By I say he said the new Jerusalem come from heaven.
Doesn't mean sure like Price went back to heaven, the
sins went back to heaven.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
And I think, right, well.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Here's what's going on, Tad. What's going on is that
when the Lord Jesus Christ returns, he is going not
to return to take us up to be ethereal Casper,
the ghosts strumming harps on some cloud somewhere. But what
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will happen is everyone will be resurrected. In fact, Jesus
said that very thing. Do not be amazed at this.
A time is coming when all who in the grace
will come out, Some will rise to live, and some
will rise to be condemned. So the point is we
will be resurrected physically. Christianity is not a platonic religion.
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It is a very physical religion. We will be resurrected,
like unto our Lord who was resurrected physically. So as
a case in point, my dad, who died in nineteen
ninety seven, is absent from the body present with the Lord.
But when the Lord returns, or when as Hebrews puts it,
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he appears a second time, my dad's Saul will return
to his body. That body now immortal, imperishable, incorruptible, So
he will be truly a body, soul, unity, a human being,
not in a cloud, because he's physical. He's going to
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be in a physical universe. And that's why Scripture makes
clear that the universe now groans and travail as it were,
awaiting its liberation from bondage to decay. And you see
this depicted in the very passage that you now reference,
Revelation chapter twenty one. A new heaven, a new Earth,
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not Nios but Kinos, in other words, not altogether different,
but restored, resurrected, renewed, the first heaven and Earth have
been transformed and as such passed away. There's no longer
(18:15):
any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem,
coming down into heaven from God, prepared as a bride,
beautifully dressed for her husband. Heard a loud voice from
the throne saying, now the dwelling of God is with men.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Now, if you go back to Genesis.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You have God walking with Adam and Eve in the
cool of the day, God taking on as it were,
human form, engaging, relating with human beings. And so it
will be in the New Jerusalem. Because ultimately, what is
the New Jerusalem. It is Paradise lost. Now Paradise restored.
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That is what we look forward to. So when the
Lord returns with a loud command, with a voice of
the Archangel, with a trumpet call of God, we will
be utterly resurrected, living in an utterly resurrected universe with
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a marvelously resurrected Lord. Paradise lost will then genuinely be
Paradise restored. That is what we look forward to. We'll
go back to the phone lines, doctor Dennis Orlando, Florida, Hi, Dennis.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Hell, I ain't God bless you?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Okay, I was wondering. You said that basically it's okay
to have faith, but in addition to the faith, we
also have to have the proof. And I was just
wondering if you could I've got a couple of you know,
like Bible kind of kind of examples, and wondering if
(20:02):
you could explain where that fits into these Like in
Romans ten ten, it says it's with the heart that
man believeth unto righteousness. And then when Thomas was not
there the first time that the resurrected Christ showed himself
to the apostles, Thomas says, I won't believe until I,
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you know, can feel that see the prince in his hands,
and thrust my hand in his side. But then when
the Savior allowed him that opportunity, the Savior said, you know,
you know, you're blessed for having seen me, but more
blessed are those who believe on your words or you know,
the words of the apostles without physically seeing or touching.
(20:49):
And I was wondering if you could explain.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That we have Moses in the prophets according to Jesus Christ.
If we don't believe that, we're not going to believe
even if someone rises from the dead. In other words,
we have all the evidence necessary. And that's the point.
The Bible is demonstratably an authority, and I think is
related to your question in Romans ten to ten. The
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problem that we make in Western Christianity in particular is
a false dichotomy between heart and head, and we opt
for the latter, sometimes as being more intelligent, more rationally true.
But the heart, biblically is a seat of knowledge. And
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going back to Thomas, he was rebuked for not having
believed the credible testimony of the disciples who had seen
the resurrected Christ. Remember, there were witnesses. Those witnesses testified
to the resurrection, and Thomas, though he received the testimony,
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yet did not believe. So again, this is not a
belief that is blind faith. The historic Christian faith never
calls us to blind faith, always calls us to faith
in irrefutable fact, which is to say, we can know
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that God created the universe. That's an irrefutable fact. Out
of nothing, nothing comes. Every effect has to have a
cause equal to or greater than itself. So when we
look at the heavens at night, we don't suppose nothing
produced everything. So we have the testimony of creation. We
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also have the testimony of Christ in the resurrection. He's
given us many infallible proofs, and pull lays that out systematically.
In First Corinthians, chapter fifteen. He says, what I received,
I passed on to you as of first importance, and
then he lays out the evidence. So he's not saying,
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believe me because I say it, but believe the evidence.
It speaks to you as from the grave. And then
also we have the testimony of the Bible, which is.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
A cumulative testimony.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
For example, why do you think we have almost six
thousand manuscripts of the New Testament alone? It is because housed,
as it were, in the manuscript evidence is the autographs,
the originals in such a way that no human being
can control them, and in such a way that the
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tenacity of the text can produce the autograph. Now, we
don't believe that because there's no evidence. We believe that
because there is evidence. Why is it that I say
the Book of Mormon is false? Well, the evidence points
against it, both from the perspective of archaeology and anthropology.
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The exact same thing cannot be said about the Bible.
In fact, the opposite is true of the Bible. Archaeology
demonstrates the tenacity of the text.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
But with the Book of Mormon, you're trying to use
the same type of evidence as available for the Bible
and use it for the Book of Mormon. That type
of evidence is not specifically available. The Bible land has
been continuous since the time of Moses and Poor and
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those names and things are still available, whereas with the
Book of Mormon, the greatest civilization that was there basically
was destroyed, so we're the books and things that were
available to them, so that proof that is available for
the Bible is not available for the Book of Mormon.
We know that there are civilizations, we know that there
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are cities, we know that there were temples, that there
are religious artifacts that are still being discovered in the
Central America.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Dennis, that is simply wrong. Archaeology is a powerful testimony
to the accuracy of the Bible, but that's not true
with the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
There's no archaeological to me.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
That the pyramids and all of those things that are
in Central America are not there or no.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
What I'm saying is there's no archaeological evidence for a
language such as Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics. There's no archaeological support
for lands like the Land of Moron in Ether seven
to six. There's no archaeological evidence to buttress the notion
that the Juradites, the Nephites, the Lamanites migrated from Israel
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to the Americas. On the contrary, archaeology and anthropology demonstrate
conclusively that the people and places chronicled in the Book
of Mormon are little more than the product of a
fertile imagination. We're out of time, Thanks for tuning in.
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