January 6, 2026 • 28 mins
On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (01/06/26), Hank answers the following questions:
Does the Illuminati make politicians and celebrities use satanic symbols to corrupt people so that they can create the New World Order? Ashley - Edmond, OK (1:14)
My Mom is pushing me to watch Jimmy Swaggart; what should I do? Shannon - Charlotte, NC (3:06)
My atheist neighbor says Psalm 23 was copied directly from a passage out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Is that true? Nathan - NM (6:45)
What’s your view of the sign of the woman, child, and dragon in Revelation 12? Jay - KS (15:12)
Does the Illuminati make politicians and celebrities use satanic symbols to corrupt people so that they can create the New World Order? Ashley - Edmond, OK (1:14)
My Mom is pushing me to watch Jimmy Swaggart; what should I do? Shannon - Charlotte, NC (3:06)
My atheist neighbor says Psalm 23 was copied directly from a passage out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Is that true? Nathan - NM (6:45)
What’s your view of the sign of the woman, child, and dragon in Revelation 12? Jay - KS (15:12)
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Broadcasting across the United States, Canada, and around the world.
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you much, Brandy, and appreciate all of you joining
us for this edition of the Bible Instrument Broadcast. Our
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Ashley listening to Edmund Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Hi, Ashley, Hi, I was wondering if you believe that
the Illuminati notes, politicians and celebrities use fantanic symbols and
their campaigns and movies and videos to collept through youth
(01:38):
mind so that they can create the new world order.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, I don't believe that. I think this is a
conspiracy theory about a carefully crafted Kurtel encompassing policemen and
politicians and pastors who are all secretly engaged in subterfuge
to advance their Satanic agenda on Ada that the conspiracy
says has moved Satanism into the very wholes of power
(02:05):
as well as sanctuaries of religion. I think this is
fighting a phantom enemy as opposed to fighting the real enemy.
I think what we really need to do instead of
getting caught up in conspiracy theories, is to make sure
that we understand the principles of spiritual warfare. They're outlined
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by the apostle Paul in Ephesians chapter six, under the
heading the covering, God's plan to protect you from evil.
At least that's how I take the language of the
full armor of God. I call it the covering. It's
God's plan to protect you from evil. If you put
on the covering, you're invincible in spiritual warfare. If you
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do not, you're a guaranteed casualty. So I talk about
the Illuminati in the covering God's plan to protect you
from evil, but in the process I teach you how
to become invincible in spiritual warfare. That book available on
the web at equipped dot org. Back to the phone lines,
we'll talk next to Shannon. She's listening in Charlotte, North Carolina.
(03:10):
Hi Shannon, Hi Hank.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Thank you for taking my call. And I want to
say thank you for your ministry is such a light
to me and such a blessing, and I really really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We'll bless you. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
My question involved, well, my mom. My mom is a
big supporter of Sunlight Broadcasting and Jimmy Swagger.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
She's gone through.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Phases where first was Andrew Womack, and then I've finally
gotten her to the point where she'll know she's she's
reading your materials, which I think my mom would rather
have an emotional appeal, and and that's not something that
your resources do. I mean, that's what appeals to me,
is the way you present things. But now my mom
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is pushing Jimmy Swagger, pushing Sunlight Broadcasting, and how how
do I rebuff that without discouraging her from reading your stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, remember, she's your mom, and you've already made some
wonderful inroads, it sounds like with your mom. But don't
push you too hard, because sometimes the hardest person to
reach or to influence are people within your own family.
God will bring other circumstances and people into her life
as well, and so be gentle and respectful. She is
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your mom and sounds like you've been doing all that
because she's already making somewhat of a transition. But go
gently with it because your respect for your mom is paramount,
and this circumstance prayer for your mom is also paramount.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How do I get rid of that feeling of just
it makes I mean, it makes my I guess it's
on on the other side of where you know, there's
the same reason what you just said when it's a
family member. But how do I keep from getting my
I pant my band are up when she's pushing somebody
that I don't want to hear about.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, see that's the problem again, and why you're dander up.
It's because you're your mom and you care so deeply,
and that's why it's so hard to reach people within
our own family circles. Because our emotions get in the
way to an extent that makes us sometimes unreasonable in
the conversation. But it's difficult because you love truth. You
care about your mom, and that's just what makes it
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so difficult, and that's why sometimes you have to just
stifle and get on your knees and pray and ask
the Lord to bring circumstances and people into her life
so that she will see the truth. Because you know
Jimmy Swaggert, and you've already since this through your discernment,
he's taught all kinds of false doctrines. He taught that
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within the Godhead there are three separate and distinct persons,
each having his own personal spirit, body, personal soul, personal spirit.
And that's a significant doctrinal error called tryism, the belief
in three separate gods. He's also a sort of that
God's body is in one place at one time, and
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that view is more similar to Mormonism than Christianity. So
he does stray into doctrinal errors. He tends to be
very dogmatic, and I think that he's a guy that
you have to be wary of. But thank God that
your mom is so interested in spiritual things and keep
trying to open the door and feeding her good information
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because you know, once you have a solid mooring and
you start to understand discernment principles, then you're able to
discern truth from error and wheat from chaff. And hopefully
your mom will get to that point through a lot
of prayer and through God bringing other people into her life.
We'll go next to Nathan. He's listening in New Mexico. Hi, Nathan, good,
(06:52):
How are you good?
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Good? I just want to thank you for your ministry.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
You know, I think this has really helped me as
a young man, you know, getting out.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Of college, you know, just interested in apologetics and defaying
the faith, you know, because there's a lot of a
lot of things, especially in universities, you know that they're
trying to really turn people away from the from the
historic Christian faith.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
So thank you for your ministry.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, thank you so much for the encountry question.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Is I recently have just had several discussions with a
with an atheist in my neighborhood, and he's apparently written
a couple of books as far.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
As his own research to disprove the existence of Christ,
to disprove the validity of Christianity and so forth.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
But one of the arguments he makes is that the
twenty third Psalm is apparently a word by word copy of.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Some passage out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I just I've never heard that argument before, and I
wanted to know your take on that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, it's not true, And I think this is a
multifaceted kind of an issue. First of all, you have
to be able to demonstrate that the Bible is divine
as opposed to merely human in origin. And therefore you
need to be able to show that Psalm twenty three,
like the rest of the Old Testament, has never been
in dispute. It was ratified by Jesus Christ. It was
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ratified and closed as the canon in the New Testament already,
so it was beyond dispute at that particular time. So
this is not part of any funerary document the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. There is ample warrant for saying
that Joseph Smith borrowed from the Egyptian Book of the
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Dead as the founder of Mormonism, but certainly not for
Psalm twenty three. So I would say the way I
would approach this is again would gentleness, say, please show
me the evidence. This is very interesting, but I'd like
to see the facts because I don't see any substantiation
for that kind of assertion. So please show me the evidence.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hey, you got it. Thank you. And remember I've mentioned
this a couple of times on this broadcast. I make
a distinction between essential Christian doctrine and secondary issues. Essential
Christian doctrine is the dividing line between the Kingdom of
Christ and the kingdom of the cults. In other words,
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the essentials are deal breakers. If someone says, in answer
to the question that Jesus asked, who do you say
that I am? You are an avatar or a messenger,
or you were even just a good teacher, or you
are the spirit brother of Lucifers the Mormons say, or
you are just the archangel Michael as the Jehovah's witnesses say,
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that's a deal breaker. But when we get to issues
regarding eschatology that have to do with timing, these are
secondary issues that we can debate vigorously. We don't have
to divide over. Now, there are a essentials with respect
to eschatology or the study of ented types. The essential
of essentials in this case is the fact that Jesus
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Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead.
So we are awaiting the second appearing of our Lord
and Savior, Jesus Christ, and at that time he will
put all things to right. We will rise, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
The problem of Satan and sin will forever be resolved,
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and a new order of things will be ushered in.
No more death, morning, crying, or pain for the old
order things will have passed away. Behold, all things have
become new. So again important to know where the dividing
line is. Will be right back with more of your questions.
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
Say very much Brandy, and let's go back to the
phone lines. We'll talk next to Jay and Kansas. Hi, Jay,
I have a.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Question for you, and I guess it's a little involved,
and I'll just start it off with a little pretext.
I've been in the Book of Revelation for a few years,
but the last five months or so I saw something
that I've kind of vigorously been trying to disprove and
I can't. And not only have I not been able
to disprove, it sort of led to some victory over
(15:39):
some personal issues with sin and some strengthening spiritually that
I really haven't experienced before. It relates to the twelfth
chapter of Revelation where the woman appears as the Wondrous
Sign with the dragon and the child. Yeap, Obviously, I
think we would agree. You know, that's essentially hereditary Israel
(16:00):
giving birth the life of Jesus and then essentially sort
of predicts the coming destruction of Jerusalem in the first century.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, I would say it's true Israel. That's the only
qualification that would make true Israel in the sense of
the one hundred and forty four thousand or the Great Multitude,
which is the same entity seen from two different vantage points,
but true Israel made up of people from every tongue
and tribe in nation.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Sure, I guess that hasn't been how been interpreting it,
because afterwards, you know, she's chased by the dragon, and
essentially there's the time that she spends into wilderness and
stuff like that. How would that relate to say, true Israel.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, remember there's a distinction here between Israel as depicted
in Revelation chapter twelve and Israel as depicted in Revelation
chapter seventeen. Right in chapter seventeen you have apostate Israel.
In Revelation twelve, you have a picture of true Israel.
And again, true Israel is given in symbolic language. I mean,
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the language here is rich in its symbolism, just as
the one hundred and forty four thousand is. I mean,
it's twelve times twelve times thousand. But it's not language
that simply comes from an interpretation that is a fantastical interpretation,
but it's a rooted interpretation, because Revelation is never a
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mere book of riddles originating from a shallow post Christian mind.
It's a book of symbols that are deeply rooted in
Old Testament history. And the only reason we end up
mistaking the meanings is we fail to hear the background
music of the Old Testament. So the symbols again, the dragon,
the red dragon, the symbols even in the inversion of
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the symbols is very significant. The red dragon is described
much like the beast in Revelation chapter thirteen, except he
has seven crowns, not ten, and that is because the
dragon is but a parody of the lamb. So you
have to pay attention to the symbols, but also always
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have to have the interpretation as rooted and grounded in
the Old Testament text.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I believe that, I guess I do disagree, and I
do so very cautiously, and I will once again, you know,
go back and study more. But I guess I see
the woman, you know, as representing the crown achievement of
hereditary Israel, as essentially giving birth to hereditary Christ, if
that's the correct way to say it, and that you know,
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we know that after the exile, that this new Covenant
was going to be formed, and that essentially Israel's position
coming up to the birth of Christ was that she
still had to be born through the bloodline of hereditary Israel.
I understand the underlying of faith, and that you know,
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there's also a hereditary faith line that was flowing through
the hereditary blood line of Israel. But I guess I
see it as the crowning achievement of physical Israel and
giving birth to our actual physical king.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And what does physical Israel mean though, is the question.
I mean, there are those who say they are Israel,
but they are in fact not true Israel. Revelation tells
us that very thing they're the see to Satan, they're
not true Israel. So the point here you have to
be very careful when you talk about genealogy and hereditary
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lines and so forth, in that christ genealogy includes gentiles.
So it's appropriate to say that the woman in Revelation
twelve is true Israel who brings forth Messiah, who is
in the blood line of Jesus. Well, Ruth, she's a Moabite.
Have many other examples of people who come into true
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Israel who are not, in fact, in any genealogical relationship
to true Israel. For example, in Esther, you see the
nations looking on as Esther is sovereignly raised up to
save the Jews from certain destruction under Hayman. And on
that day, the text tells us many people from many
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nations became Jews. They did that not because their birth
mother was a Jew. They came that because they believed
in Yahweh, the God of Israel, and as a result
of that, they were brought into all the types and
shadows looking forward to Jesus who would come. So again,
it's not hereditary descent that's the issue here. It's true Israel,
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and true Israel is never a function of your heredity.
It is a function of your spirituality. If you are
in Christ, you are the seed of Abraham and an
air according to the promise. And remember, according to Paul,
there is only one seat of Abraham, that's Jesus Christ,
the double and tundra being. If you're in Christ, you
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are the seat of Abraham.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I agree with all of that. I think I'm probably
saying this somehow wrong in the sense that Christ had
to be born in a physical body, as that who
God shows for Christ to be born in a physical
body was married. Yes, who was hereditary Israel? I mean correct?
(21:31):
I mean in the sense that she was maybe not
by blood, but you know, by faith, even associated with
the covenants and the promises of the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah. And again my point is simply to say, if
you look through the genealogies, you'll look in the genealogies
and you'll see people from every tongue in tribe nation,
and as a result of that you have the coming
of Jesus Christ. So my only point is not that
there's not a genealogical line. There is a genealogical line
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that's given to you in Matthew. It's also given to
you in Luke. So there's no question about the genealogical
relationship of Jesus Christ to Abraham, Jesus Christ to David,
Jesus Christ to Adam. That is clearly communicated. My point is, however,
that true Israel is always a matter of spirituality, and
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therefore there's only one covenant community in the Old Testament.
There's only one chosen people in the Old Testament. Ruth
and Rahab are part of that one chosen people, just
as Abraham was who was not Jewish, just as Jacob
was who was the first true Israel. In fact, his
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name was changed from Jacob to Israel.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Right. I agree with all that. My point is that
I see this line, which is that you follow the
woman and then she, you know, the dragon turns his
attention from her, and then we see this reappearance of
the woman in chapter seventeen. And I believe that you
know chapter twelve that we're dealing with Israel, and I
believe that in chapter seventeen we're dealing with Israel. But
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I definite believe I think that through the context. You know,
what I keep getting out of it is that I'm
seriously drawn to the idea that chapter seven and I'm
no datesetter, So please understand this, Hank. But you know,
in kind of accordance with Luke chapter twenty one, you know,
twenty through twenty nine, and just sort of the idea
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that Christians will see that the end is coming, and
the idea that seventeen is the reappearance of Israel, a
past state Israel this time.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, I do think it is a past state Israel
in seventeen. Think you're right, But I don't think that
has anything to do with our epic of time. It
has everything to do with what happened with the destruction
of Dress. And remember these are seven letters of seven
churches in the province of Asia, and that ultimately revelation
is not written to us. It is written for us.
It's written to people in a particular epic of time
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with respect to what they're going to go through. Now.
It always includes the eternal perspective. And that's why you
can go to Revelation chapter twenty one and see the
new Jerusalem coming down, and of Heaven prepared as a bride,
beautifully adorned for a husband. You can see in the
end of the book of Revelation a clear picture of
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Paradise restored, the river of the water of life, the
tree of life. And so you have the eternal perspective
in mind as well. But the point here is this
is written to people in a particular epic of time.
It's written not to us, but it is written for us.
And that's I think where a lot of people do
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make mistakes. If you look at Revelation chapter three, and
I mentioned this earlier, you have a letter to the
church at Philadelphia where Jesus is saying, I will also
keep you from the hour of trial that's going to
come upon the whole earth. The you that he's talking
about is the church in Philadelphia. And if we take
that you and add two thousand years and make it
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about us, then we've missed the meaning. The meaning is
to the church at Philadelphia, but has application to us today.
But I really appreciate you searching the scripture, and these
are the kinds of things that we can debate vigorously
in iron sharpens iron. So thank you very much for
your call. I've written about all of this in my
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you much, Brandy, and appreciate all of you joining
us for this edition of the Bible Instrument Broadcast. Our
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two eight two seven to one end. As always a
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Ashley listening to Edmund Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Hi, Ashley, Hi, I was wondering if you believe that
the Illuminati notes, politicians and celebrities use fantanic symbols and
their campaigns and movies and videos to collept through youth
(01:38):
mind so that they can create the new world order.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, I don't believe that. I think this is a
conspiracy theory about a carefully crafted Kurtel encompassing policemen and
politicians and pastors who are all secretly engaged in subterfuge
to advance their Satanic agenda on Ada that the conspiracy
says has moved Satanism into the very wholes of power
(02:05):
as well as sanctuaries of religion. I think this is
fighting a phantom enemy as opposed to fighting the real enemy.
I think what we really need to do instead of
getting caught up in conspiracy theories, is to make sure
that we understand the principles of spiritual warfare. They're outlined
(02:25):
by the apostle Paul in Ephesians chapter six, under the
heading the covering, God's plan to protect you from evil.
At least that's how I take the language of the
full armor of God. I call it the covering. It's
God's plan to protect you from evil. If you put
on the covering, you're invincible in spiritual warfare. If you
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do not, you're a guaranteed casualty. So I talk about
the Illuminati in the covering God's plan to protect you
from evil, but in the process I teach you how
to become invincible in spiritual warfare. That book available on
the web at equipped dot org. Back to the phone lines,
we'll talk next to Shannon. She's listening in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Hi Shannon, Hi Hank.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Thank you for taking my call. And I want to
say thank you for your ministry is such a light
to me and such a blessing, and I really really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
We'll bless you. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
My question involved, well, my mom. My mom is a
big supporter of Sunlight Broadcasting and Jimmy Swagger.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
She's gone through.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Phases where first was Andrew Womack, and then I've finally
gotten her to the point where she'll know she's she's
reading your materials, which I think my mom would rather
have an emotional appeal, and and that's not something that
your resources do. I mean, that's what appeals to me,
is the way you present things. But now my mom
(03:54):
is pushing Jimmy Swagger, pushing Sunlight Broadcasting, and how how
do I rebuff that without discouraging her from reading your stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, remember, she's your mom, and you've already made some
wonderful inroads, it sounds like with your mom. But don't
push you too hard, because sometimes the hardest person to
reach or to influence are people within your own family.
God will bring other circumstances and people into her life
as well, and so be gentle and respectful. She is
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your mom and sounds like you've been doing all that
because she's already making somewhat of a transition. But go
gently with it because your respect for your mom is paramount,
and this circumstance prayer for your mom is also paramount.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How do I get rid of that feeling of just
it makes I mean, it makes my I guess it's
on on the other side of where you know, there's
the same reason what you just said when it's a
family member. But how do I keep from getting my
I pant my band are up when she's pushing somebody
that I don't want to hear about.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, see that's the problem again, and why you're dander up.
It's because you're your mom and you care so deeply,
and that's why it's so hard to reach people within
our own family circles. Because our emotions get in the
way to an extent that makes us sometimes unreasonable in
the conversation. But it's difficult because you love truth. You
care about your mom, and that's just what makes it
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so difficult, and that's why sometimes you have to just
stifle and get on your knees and pray and ask
the Lord to bring circumstances and people into her life
so that she will see the truth. Because you know
Jimmy Swaggert, and you've already since this through your discernment,
he's taught all kinds of false doctrines. He taught that
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within the Godhead there are three separate and distinct persons,
each having his own personal spirit, body, personal soul, personal spirit.
And that's a significant doctrinal error called tryism, the belief
in three separate gods. He's also a sort of that
God's body is in one place at one time, and
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that view is more similar to Mormonism than Christianity. So
he does stray into doctrinal errors. He tends to be
very dogmatic, and I think that he's a guy that
you have to be wary of. But thank God that
your mom is so interested in spiritual things and keep
trying to open the door and feeding her good information
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because you know, once you have a solid mooring and
you start to understand discernment principles, then you're able to
discern truth from error and wheat from chaff. And hopefully
your mom will get to that point through a lot
of prayer and through God bringing other people into her life.
We'll go next to Nathan. He's listening in New Mexico. Hi, Nathan, good,
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How are you good?
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Good? I just want to thank you for your ministry.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
You know, I think this has really helped me as
a young man, you know, getting out.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Of college, you know, just interested in apologetics and defaying
the faith, you know, because there's a lot of a
lot of things, especially in universities, you know that they're
trying to really turn people away from the from the
historic Christian faith.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
So thank you for your ministry.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, thank you so much for the encountry question.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
Is I recently have just had several discussions with a
with an atheist in my neighborhood, and he's apparently written
a couple of books as far.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
As his own research to disprove the existence of Christ,
to disprove the validity of Christianity and so forth.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
But one of the arguments he makes is that the
twenty third Psalm is apparently a word by word copy of.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Some passage out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I just I've never heard that argument before, and I
wanted to know your take on that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, it's not true, And I think this is a
multifaceted kind of an issue. First of all, you have
to be able to demonstrate that the Bible is divine
as opposed to merely human in origin. And therefore you
need to be able to show that Psalm twenty three,
like the rest of the Old Testament, has never been
in dispute. It was ratified by Jesus Christ. It was
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ratified and closed as the canon in the New Testament already,
so it was beyond dispute at that particular time. So
this is not part of any funerary document the Egyptian
Book of the Dead. There is ample warrant for saying
that Joseph Smith borrowed from the Egyptian Book of the
(08:37):
Dead as the founder of Mormonism, but certainly not for
Psalm twenty three. So I would say the way I
would approach this is again would gentleness, say, please show
me the evidence. This is very interesting, but I'd like
to see the facts because I don't see any substantiation
for that kind of assertion. So please show me the evidence.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hey, you got it. Thank you. And remember I've mentioned
this a couple of times on this broadcast. I make
a distinction between essential Christian doctrine and secondary issues. Essential
Christian doctrine is the dividing line between the Kingdom of
Christ and the kingdom of the cults. In other words,
(09:23):
the essentials are deal breakers. If someone says, in answer
to the question that Jesus asked, who do you say
that I am? You are an avatar or a messenger,
or you were even just a good teacher, or you
are the spirit brother of Lucifers the Mormons say, or
you are just the archangel Michael as the Jehovah's witnesses say,
(09:46):
that's a deal breaker. But when we get to issues
regarding eschatology that have to do with timing, these are
secondary issues that we can debate vigorously. We don't have
to divide over. Now, there are a essentials with respect
to eschatology or the study of ented types. The essential
of essentials in this case is the fact that Jesus
(10:08):
Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead.
So we are awaiting the second appearing of our Lord
and Savior, Jesus Christ, and at that time he will
put all things to right. We will rise, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
The problem of Satan and sin will forever be resolved,
(10:31):
and a new order of things will be ushered in.
No more death, morning, crying, or pain for the old
order things will have passed away. Behold, all things have
become new. So again important to know where the dividing
line is. Will be right back with more of your questions.
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
Say very much Brandy, and let's go back to the
phone lines. We'll talk next to Jay and Kansas. Hi, Jay,
I have a.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Question for you, and I guess it's a little involved,
and I'll just start it off with a little pretext.
I've been in the Book of Revelation for a few years,
but the last five months or so I saw something
that I've kind of vigorously been trying to disprove and
I can't. And not only have I not been able
to disprove, it sort of led to some victory over
(15:39):
some personal issues with sin and some strengthening spiritually that
I really haven't experienced before. It relates to the twelfth
chapter of Revelation where the woman appears as the Wondrous
Sign with the dragon and the child. Yeap, Obviously, I
think we would agree. You know, that's essentially hereditary Israel
(16:00):
giving birth the life of Jesus and then essentially sort
of predicts the coming destruction of Jerusalem in the first century.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, I would say it's true Israel. That's the only
qualification that would make true Israel in the sense of
the one hundred and forty four thousand or the Great Multitude,
which is the same entity seen from two different vantage points,
but true Israel made up of people from every tongue
and tribe in nation.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Sure, I guess that hasn't been how been interpreting it,
because afterwards, you know, she's chased by the dragon, and
essentially there's the time that she spends into wilderness and
stuff like that. How would that relate to say, true Israel.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, remember there's a distinction here between Israel as depicted
in Revelation chapter twelve and Israel as depicted in Revelation
chapter seventeen. Right in chapter seventeen you have apostate Israel.
In Revelation twelve, you have a picture of true Israel.
And again, true Israel is given in symbolic language. I mean,
(17:08):
the language here is rich in its symbolism, just as
the one hundred and forty four thousand is. I mean,
it's twelve times twelve times thousand. But it's not language
that simply comes from an interpretation that is a fantastical interpretation,
but it's a rooted interpretation, because Revelation is never a
(17:31):
mere book of riddles originating from a shallow post Christian mind.
It's a book of symbols that are deeply rooted in
Old Testament history. And the only reason we end up
mistaking the meanings is we fail to hear the background
music of the Old Testament. So the symbols again, the dragon,
the red dragon, the symbols even in the inversion of
(17:54):
the symbols is very significant. The red dragon is described
much like the beast in Revelation chapter thirteen, except he
has seven crowns, not ten, and that is because the
dragon is but a parody of the lamb. So you
have to pay attention to the symbols, but also always
(18:16):
have to have the interpretation as rooted and grounded in
the Old Testament text.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I believe that, I guess I do disagree, and I
do so very cautiously, and I will once again, you know,
go back and study more. But I guess I see
the woman, you know, as representing the crown achievement of
hereditary Israel, as essentially giving birth to hereditary Christ, if
that's the correct way to say it, and that you know,
(18:43):
we know that after the exile, that this new Covenant
was going to be formed, and that essentially Israel's position
coming up to the birth of Christ was that she
still had to be born through the bloodline of hereditary Israel.
I understand the underlying of faith, and that you know,
(19:03):
there's also a hereditary faith line that was flowing through
the hereditary blood line of Israel. But I guess I
see it as the crowning achievement of physical Israel and
giving birth to our actual physical king.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And what does physical Israel mean though, is the question.
I mean, there are those who say they are Israel,
but they are in fact not true Israel. Revelation tells
us that very thing they're the see to Satan, they're
not true Israel. So the point here you have to
be very careful when you talk about genealogy and hereditary
(19:42):
lines and so forth, in that christ genealogy includes gentiles.
So it's appropriate to say that the woman in Revelation
twelve is true Israel who brings forth Messiah, who is
in the blood line of Jesus. Well, Ruth, she's a Moabite.
Have many other examples of people who come into true
(20:05):
Israel who are not, in fact, in any genealogical relationship
to true Israel. For example, in Esther, you see the
nations looking on as Esther is sovereignly raised up to
save the Jews from certain destruction under Hayman. And on
that day, the text tells us many people from many
(20:26):
nations became Jews. They did that not because their birth
mother was a Jew. They came that because they believed
in Yahweh, the God of Israel, and as a result
of that, they were brought into all the types and
shadows looking forward to Jesus who would come. So again,
it's not hereditary descent that's the issue here. It's true Israel,
(20:48):
and true Israel is never a function of your heredity.
It is a function of your spirituality. If you are
in Christ, you are the seed of Abraham and an
air according to the promise. And remember, according to Paul,
there is only one seat of Abraham, that's Jesus Christ,
the double and tundra being. If you're in Christ, you
(21:10):
are the seat of Abraham.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I agree with all of that. I think I'm probably
saying this somehow wrong in the sense that Christ had
to be born in a physical body, as that who
God shows for Christ to be born in a physical
body was married. Yes, who was hereditary Israel? I mean correct?
(21:31):
I mean in the sense that she was maybe not
by blood, but you know, by faith, even associated with
the covenants and the promises of the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah. And again my point is simply to say, if
you look through the genealogies, you'll look in the genealogies
and you'll see people from every tongue in tribe nation,
and as a result of that you have the coming
of Jesus Christ. So my only point is not that
there's not a genealogical line. There is a genealogical line
(22:02):
that's given to you in Matthew. It's also given to
you in Luke. So there's no question about the genealogical
relationship of Jesus Christ to Abraham, Jesus Christ to David,
Jesus Christ to Adam. That is clearly communicated. My point is, however,
that true Israel is always a matter of spirituality, and
(22:26):
therefore there's only one covenant community in the Old Testament.
There's only one chosen people in the Old Testament. Ruth
and Rahab are part of that one chosen people, just
as Abraham was who was not Jewish, just as Jacob
was who was the first true Israel. In fact, his
(22:47):
name was changed from Jacob to Israel.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Right. I agree with all that. My point is that
I see this line, which is that you follow the
woman and then she, you know, the dragon turns his
attention from her, and then we see this reappearance of
the woman in chapter seventeen. And I believe that you
know chapter twelve that we're dealing with Israel, and I
believe that in chapter seventeen we're dealing with Israel. But
(23:12):
I definite believe I think that through the context. You know,
what I keep getting out of it is that I'm
seriously drawn to the idea that chapter seven and I'm
no datesetter, So please understand this, Hank. But you know,
in kind of accordance with Luke chapter twenty one, you know,
twenty through twenty nine, and just sort of the idea
(23:33):
that Christians will see that the end is coming, and
the idea that seventeen is the reappearance of Israel, a
past state Israel this time.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, I do think it is a past state Israel
in seventeen. Think you're right, But I don't think that
has anything to do with our epic of time. It
has everything to do with what happened with the destruction
of Dress. And remember these are seven letters of seven
churches in the province of Asia, and that ultimately revelation
is not written to us. It is written for us.
It's written to people in a particular epic of time
(24:07):
with respect to what they're going to go through. Now.
It always includes the eternal perspective. And that's why you
can go to Revelation chapter twenty one and see the
new Jerusalem coming down, and of Heaven prepared as a bride,
beautifully adorned for a husband. You can see in the
end of the book of Revelation a clear picture of
(24:28):
Paradise restored, the river of the water of life, the
tree of life. And so you have the eternal perspective
in mind as well. But the point here is this
is written to people in a particular epic of time.
It's written not to us, but it is written for us.
And that's I think where a lot of people do
(24:49):
make mistakes. If you look at Revelation chapter three, and
I mentioned this earlier, you have a letter to the
church at Philadelphia where Jesus is saying, I will also
keep you from the hour of trial that's going to
come upon the whole earth. The you that he's talking
about is the church in Philadelphia. And if we take
that you and add two thousand years and make it
(25:12):
about us, then we've missed the meaning. The meaning is
to the church at Philadelphia, but has application to us today.
But I really appreciate you searching the scripture, and these
are the kinds of things that we can debate vigorously
in iron sharpens iron. So thank you very much for
your call. I've written about all of this in my
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