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Now here's the president of the Christian Research Institute, Hank Canagraph.
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Thank very much, Randy. Christians are leaving Christianity in massarticularly children,
seventy percent of them leaving the Christian faith and no
longer believing that the Bible is the infallible repository of
redemptive revelation or that Jesus Christ is the only way
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to day. Tolerance is being redefined to mean that all
views are equally valid, in all lifestyles, equally appropriate. As such,
the notion that Jesus is the only way is vilified
as the epitome of being intolerant, rather than capitulating to
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the culture. However, Christians must be equipped to expose the
flaws of today's tolerance while simultaneously exemplifying true tolerance. To
say all views are equally valid sounds tolerant, but in
reality is a contradiction in terms. If indeed all views
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are equally valid, then the Christian view must be valid.
The Christian view, however, holds that not all views are
equally valid. Thus the redefinition of tolerance is a self
refuting proposition. We do not tolerate people with whom we agree,
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we tolerate people with whom we disagree. If all views
were equally valid, there would be no need for tolerance.
Today's redefinition of tolerance leaves no room for objective moral judgments.
A modern terrorist could be deemed as virtuous as a
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mother Teresa with no enduring reference point. Societal norms are
quickly being reduced to mere matters of preference, and as such,
the moral basis for resolving international disputes and condemning such
intuitively evil practices as genocide, oppression of women, child prostitution
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is being seriously compromised. In light of its philosophically fatal features,
Christians must reject today's tolerance and revive true tolerance. True
tolerance entails that, despite our differences, we treat every person
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we meet with dignity and respect, do them as those
created in the image of God. True tolerance does not
preclude proclaiming truth, but it does mandate that we do
so with gentleness and with respect. And a world that
is increasingly intolerant of Christianity, Christians must exemplify tolerance without
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sacrificing truth. Indeed, tolerance when it comes to personal relationships
is a virtue, but tolerance when it comes to truth
is a travesty. As Jude puts it, be merciful to
those who doubt, snatch others from the fire, save them
to others, show mercy mixed with fear, hating even the
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clothing stained by corrupted flesh. We should not become microcosms
of the world. Let's become change agents in the world,
because truth matters. A lot of you hanging on will
go right to the phone callers. First up Joe in
Sioux City, Iowa.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Hi, Joe, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You're welcome I had.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
A question about Isaiah chapter sixty six Versus seven and eight,
when Isaiah is speaking about a child being born and
can a nation be reborn in one day? And I
guess what Isaiah's propt signed there is the re emergence
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of Israel as a state, modern day Israel. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I don't I think so. I think that Isaiah's best
understood as being an answer to the prayer of repentance
that begins in Isaiah sixty four. So the chapters that
you reference are understood as dealing with the Esketon, the
new heavens and the new Earth, judgment, and hope of
ultimate restoration. In particularly when you read Isaiah sixty six,
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it uses evocative metaphorical language to show the miraculous suddenness
of God's work in the ultimate restoration of all things
in the Esketon. But certainly it's not talking about the
rebirth of modern Israel. In fact, the Bible doesn't talk
about the rebirth of modern Israel at all, and if
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it did, it would speak in biblical categories. Why because
it is restoration for those who repent, it's not restoration
for those those who continue in disobedience. In fact, if
you look at the Bible in total, what you find
is that when Israel inherited the Promised Land, they were
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told in no uncertain terms that if they followed the
pagan ways of the detestable nations who were already in
the land, that the land would vomit them out, just
as it had vomited out the pagan nations before them.
So it is inconceivable that the land would vomit them
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out as it did with respect to the Assyrian captivity
and the Babylonian captivity, and that they would then be
re ushered into the land in disobedience. No, they would
be reissued into the land in repentance. But as you
look at the New Testament, there's no warrant for the
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land being significant, because the land pointed forward to something
far more glorious, and that is the Lord Jerusalem pointed
to something far more glorious, and that is Jesus Christ.
So the notion of a reinstitution of types and shadows
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when the ultimate fulfillment had come in Jesus, would be
as Hebrews talks about, trampling on the sacred blood of
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Well, yeah, that's what I thought, Hank, when I read
this passage there in Isaiah, it seemed rather vague to me.
But there seems to be a lot of Bible scholars
who say that this is a prediction of modern day Israel.
I do agree with you that I don't think it's
a prediction of modern day Israel either, especially based on
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your perceptions of revelation. So I was kind of wondering,
is there a purpose? I mean, I understand that there
was a purpose for ancient Israel through God's chosen people.
He brought the Savior into the world than salvation to
all mankind. But what is the purpose of any for
modern day Israel.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, I think you have to start with the fact
that the disciples were under the same misconceptions that modern
day Zionists are. They had been under the misconception that
Jesus was going to establish Jerusalem as the capital of
a sovereign Jewish empire, and that notion was so ingrained
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in their psyches that even as Jesus was about to
ascend into Heaven, they asked, Lord, are you at this
time going to restore the kingdom to Israel? Well, what
does Jesus do? Jesus not only corrects their erroneous thinking,
but he expands their horizons from a tiny strip of
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land on the east coast of the Mediterranean to the
farthest reaches of the earth. Remember what he said, you
will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you.
He was about to be taken up into heaven, and
he said, you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria,
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and the ends of the earth. In effact, Jesus left
his disciples with instructions to exit Jerusalem, to embrace the earth,
and never again entertain the thought of establishing unearthly Jerusalem.
The disciples were no longer permitted to view Israel and
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exclusivistic patriarchal categories. Their sites must instead be elevated to
an inclusive Israel. That's what Paul says in the Book
of Romans. Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants, are they Abraham's children.
True Israel consists of people from every tribe, in language
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and people in This is exactly what you thin find
it the Jerusalem Council. By the way, James identifies this
new Covenant reality as the anti typical fulfillment of the
well known prophecy that God would restore David's fall intent
that prophecy given in Amos chapter nine. Though Amos's prophecy
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was fulfilled in the for future when a remnant of
Israel was restored to the land, James interprets this fulfillment
as a type that finds ultimate resolution not in a
future restoration of national Israel to the land, but in
the inclusion of both jew and Gentile in the Church.
So again, this revolves around learning to read the Bible
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Thank you very much for Randy, and we'll go right
back to our phone callers. Now talk to Diana listing
in Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Hi Diana, Hi Hank, I'm so glad you took my call.
I've been wanting to ask you this question for a while.
My husband and I are both divorced. Before we were married,
and since we've been married and it's been sixteen years.
About ten years ago, we both brought Christ into our life.
We want to live a Christian life. We know what
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the Bible says about divorcing, and now we wonder if
we live in sin every day because we remarried and
we have a marriage after being saved, does that wipe
out the old marriage.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let me say this with no equivocation. Forget what is
behind and press on. You are married to your husband
in the eyes of the Lord. Whatever happened, leave behind,
move on. You can't unscramble the egg. You've been married
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for sixteen years. You both love the Lord. What you
did as unbelievers is under the blood. Don't let Satan
smear the blood in your face. You have been redeemed
by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Look forward, press forward,
don't look backward.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh, thank you so much. That means so much. Yes,
I appreciate the answer.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, and I made this very clear before I said it.
There's no equivocation. I know God hates divorce. I know
that God's ultimate good is to find reconciliation. But you've
been married for sixteen years. As believers, we did all
kinds of things prior to the time that we were believers.
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But when we became believers, what did we say? We said,
we realize our sin, and we realized that we can't
atone for our sins. And that's why we repented of
our sins and said, Lord, from now on, I want
to do it your way. That's what repentance is all about.
It's a change of heart, it's a change of mind,
it's a change of the will. And then we received
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Jesus Christ, and now we're living to please him. The
old is gone, the newest come. You're a new creation
in Christ. Don't look back, look forward.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Thank you so so very much. I think going out
to dinner and celebrate.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Absolutely do that. Give your husband a hug and say,
let's fulfill the Kingdom principles.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Thank thank you very much, you got it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Thank you so much for calling. Let's go right back
to the phone lines. Now we'll talk next to Casey
listening in Hamilton, Mississippi. Hi, Casey, Hey, I'm doing well.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
About the uh New Haven and New York. You know
when when Jesus lay up and he said he's going
where nobody can follow it, and uh, he was gonna
prepare a new kingdom for us. All right, are we
going to actually when the judgment comes, are we going
to actually live here on the earth of what's going
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to happen?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, and All makes this clear in Romans chapter eight
that the universe now is groaning in travail. It's awaiting
its liberation from bondage to decay. So the universe is
going to be resurrected as it were, restored to what
it once was. Paradise lost is going to be paradise restored.
Gut doesn't scrap things, he redeems them. It's the same
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thing that happens to our bodies. Our bodies will be resurrected, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
But there's going to be identity between the body that
is and the body that will be. Again, that doesn't
mean that every atom is going to be resurrected. It
means that there's continuity between the body that you now
have and the body that will be. But there'll be
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no more death or mourning or crying or pain. There'll
be no more devolutions or your eyes won't wear out,
your muscles will not get shorter and tighter. You will
be resurrected as a new creation. What you would have
been if sin had never entered the world. Right well,
that as the life, and I've written about this in
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a lot of detail in a book called Resurrection. I
find that so many Christians do not have a laser
clear focus about death in the afterlife. In fact, I
find that many Christians don't know that when we worship
on Sunday, that we're actually celebrating the rest we have
in Jesus Christ and looking forward to the resurrection of
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all things. That's our heritage, that's our hope. Why would
we not cell break that in knowledge? We have so
much information given on death in the afterlife, what will
be in the infallible repository of redemptive revelation the Word
of God. So I wrote the book Resurrection not only
so that you can communicate the reality of christ resurrection,
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but so you can enjoy the prospect of your own
resurrection in a new heaven and a new Earth wherein
dwells righteousness. Back to our callers, Chad is up next
listening in Chapman, Kansas, hight.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Chad Hi Hank a first time caller and first time listener,
Thank you so much, for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, it is my pleasure.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
My question for you is in Luke twenty three forty three,
Jesus answered the thief on the cross, I tell you
the truth. Today you will be with me in paradise.
My question is is you know? So what happens to
us when we die? Do we immediately go to heaven?
Or are we asleep? As it said? I think Paul
said in Corinthians that we are asleep and then we
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will be resurrected.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah. Well, sleep is often used as a metaphor for death.
Lazarus was dead according to the scripture in John eleven,
yet Jesus said he had fallen asleep. But the idea
of soul sleep is that after the death of the body,
the human soul can no longer function without the body.
And that's not what we believe in a biblical worldview.
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And a biblical worldview, we believe that the soul can
continue to exist upon the death of the body, and
that what happens when Jesus Christ returns is the soul
returns to the body. We have ample evidence for this
in scripture. That is to say, for the notion that
the soul can exist after the death of the body.
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I'll give you a classic case in point, using the
words of Jesus Christ and Luke sixteen. He there tells
the story about a rich man who had a beggar
lying by his gait named Lazarus, and both of them die.
The rich man ends up in torment, so he's experiencing
conscious eternal existence. He's experiencing torment after the death of
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his body. The beggar lying by his gait also dies
and his spirit goes to Abraham's bosom or paradise. And
that is a way of speaking about being in the
presence of the Lord. But he is also experiencing conscious existence.
So Jesus's own words point to conscious existence after death.
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That's what my dad is experience right now. He died
in nineteen ninety seven. Absent from the body, he's present
with the Lord. He's experiencing relationship with God and looking
forward to that which Jesus Christ prophesied. And that is
a time is coming when all who in the grace
will come out, some arise to live, and some will
rise to be eternally condemned. So when Jesus Christ returns
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at the end of time, my dad so Boe will
return to his body, and that body will rise immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.
And there's ample evidence throughout the scripture of what I'm saying.
You pointed to Luke twenty three, and that's a good
place to point. You can also point to Acts seven
where Stephen says, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Or Matthew
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seventeen where Moses appears on the mount of Transfiguration with Elijah.
Where I think of Revelation six where the martyred souls
cry out how long? And I think perhaps Paul says
it best in Philippians one he says, I'm hard pressed
from both directions, having desired to depart and be with Christ,
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for that is much better, and staying in this earthly sojourn,
and also in tewod Corinthians five, where he says, home
in the body means absent from the Lord. Absent from
the body means to be at home with the Lord.
So again we have ample biblical warrant for believing that
the soul continues to exist after the death of the body.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Well, I think you've explained that very well. Unfortunately, I
buried my first wife in nineteen eighty four, and I've
always known because she was such a good Christian woman,
you know that she had to be in heaven with
God and that she wouldn't just be asleep. I saw
the body go into the ground, but I knew that
she didn't need that anymore because she was going to
be raised in to a resurrection body. I think you've
explained it very well. On the fact that the soul
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can still exist without the body, we obviously don't need
this body.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So yeah, let me just point something out real quickly.
Let's you misunderstand what I say. It is true that
the soul can continue to exist apart from the body,
but that body is not irrelevant. Your wife's body, which
you saw buried, will one day rise again, So there's
continuity between the body that was and the body that
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will be. Now that does not mean that every atom
is resuscitated, but it does mean continuity, so that the
DNA that made your wife your wife will be the
DNA that will make your wife your wife for all eternity.
That DNA will rise in a pristine universe and flower
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to what it would have been if sin had never
entered the world. So as beautiful as she was, she'll
even be more glorious in eternity.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Oh well, that's a great way to explain that that
my wife's body, her DNA is still what God created,
and he's going to use that again when he resurrects her,
because she was a believer.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes, and again her body developed in a cursed creation.
That's why she died in a chursed creation. We die
of our last sickness. In the new heavens and the
new Earth. That DNA will flower to complete perfection and
never devolve. So it's like a rose that blooms to
perfect perfection and always stays like that through all eternity.
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That doesn't mean we'll know everything, but in the body, soul,
unity and eternity will learn and grow and develop without air,
and we won't experience the devolution that we experience in
this life.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Wow, you know that really gives me joy, joy that
I didn't think about before.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
You get it, my friend. We'll see you next time
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Book of Revelation has become an international obsession, the result
has been rampant misreading of scripture, bad theology, and even
bad politics and foreign policy. In The Apocalypse Code, find
out what the Bible really says about the end times
and why it matters today. Hank Canagraph argues that the
key to understanding the Last Book of the Bible is
(27:25):
the other sixty five books of the Bible, not current
events or recent history. The Apocalypse Code offers sane answers
to some very controversial questions, such as what does it
mean to take the Book of Revelation literally, who are
the Antichrist and the Great Horror of Babylon, and what
is the real meaning of six hundred and sixty six.
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Order The Apocalypse Code by Hank Cantigraph Today, available in softcover,
MP three, CD or MP three download from equip dot
org or call eight eight eight seven thousand CRI