Episode 1184: Is Obama a Traitor?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening everyone. Charles Moscowitz Michael D. Shaw is here
with me as is our habit on Thursday's Live and podcasted. Mike,
thanks for joining me.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, Mike, you know, developments are unfolding. Stuff that we've
been talking about that conservatives have been talking about for
really going on eight years, actually nine years, is moving
forward at a rate that is I didn't expect, and

(00:33):
that is that we appear to be beginning to get
to the bottom of this deep state, corrupt, secretive rot
that has infiltrated our government to such a high degree,
and that was really triggered when Donald Trump won the
election in twenty sixteen. The revelations coming out of the

(00:59):
office of Gabbard and she's obviously done a lot of
very careful and painstaking work. This didn't just drop out
of the blue. Is that and indicates that Obama's fingerprints
are all over the conspiracy theory which claimed that Vladimir

(01:21):
Putin conspired with or they like to use the word
quote colluded on with Donald Trump to steal the twenty
sixteen election. That's what this is. That is the crux
of the conspiracy theory that they promoted and that an
FBI study group had investigated whether Russia was involved in

(01:46):
the twenty sixteen election in advance of the election, and
they determined that they really weren't. They determined that to
any degree by which they supported either Trump or Hillary,
they were more supportive of Hillary because she's predictable, and
because Bill had already taken the huge amounts of money
he took I think a three quarters of a million

(02:08):
dollars to deliver a speech in Moscow, and that hill
of course Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State, everywhere she went,
she would get money sent to the Clinton Foundation and
the Global Clinton Fund, including selling up and giving a
green light to uranium mines in Canada, the uranium one

(02:32):
deal to Russia that was admitted by and covered by
the New York Times. And so Russia favored her, and
they did not like Trump because he's not predictable. So
the FBI had this information, Komy had this information, but
they decided to go with this Kakamami conspiracy theory anyway,

(02:53):
which is that Trump was being a puppet of Putin.
And then, of course Trump won the election, which was
not expected, and right, I mean, there was like a
shock to them, but they just continued going with it.
I mean, they didn't just slow down at all. They

(03:13):
used this not only to trigger a special prosecutor, that
being Muller, not only to fire Lieutenant General Michael Flynn
from the National Security Council, but also it was used
most aggravatingly as a pretext to census speech to its

(03:36):
unprecedented degree. This began the censorship regime at YouTube, Facebook
and all the rest. And they just felt like they
could go on like this as a way to stemy
the Trump administration which had been elected by dragging them

(03:57):
through all of this conspiracy and getting a special prosecutor
and having the media organs like Rachel Maddow and others
trumpeting these things every day or maybe even get you know,
overthrow Trump. And so getting to the bottom of this

(04:17):
means getting to the bottom of a lot of things,
getting to the bottom of the pandemic, getting to the
bottom of the jab, getting to the bottom of the
twenty twenty election steal. And I'm saying that because I'm
not on TikTok, so I don't care well go for it.
Getting to the bottom of the false flag of January sixth,

(04:39):
which resulted in more censorship and a further attempt to
discredit Trump the bottom of the whole law fare agenda
that was set out by the Biden administration to try
to imprison Trump, discredit him, bankrupt him, kill him, and

(05:00):
and the whole rest of this rotten mess. And now
it does look like it's finally coming to fruition in
terms of exposure on a very high level. And I
thought it was very interesting to look at the New
York Times today because I look at them every day
online and they said nothing about this. It's as if

(05:25):
it didn't exist, and they're not going to get away
with that because it is happening. It does exist, And.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I do wonder why it is that. Okay, let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
In the nineteen fifties, they could define what the news
was because although even then there was alternative media, it
was very hard day access. But for them to operate
is if this is the nineteen fifties, they could still
define what's new. He is such hubris and such stupidity

(06:04):
that you almost are all those feel sorry for them
because I think they truly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Believe that, yeah, exactly, I mean they're acting like this.
This is like Walter Kronkait getting up on the horn
and telling us that's the way it is, as if
we're all going to sit back and you know, as
if no one realizes what's really going on. Instead, The
New York Times had three front page articles on the
top of the flap about Jeffrey Epstein. Now I think that,

(06:35):
I mean, I hope I'm right about this, but I
think Trump is playing a major game of ropodope on
the Jeffrey Epstein story. What I mean is that, yeah,
he socialized with Jeffrey Epstein, so what that's not He wasn't.
I don't think he was on the Jeffrey Epstein express
His name never appeared there. You know, maybe he might

(06:58):
have gone a little too far, But the point is
that there's nothing major on him. If there was, they
wouldn't have gone through all this trouble of the Steele
dossier and the the perfect phone call impeachment and all
of this Muller and his brown shirts, which is all
stuff that's legally questionable and they may end up hopefully

(07:19):
in the can over it. But why would they have
gone through all of that if Trump was covorting with
you know, with minors, with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean it
would have been over, so they probably it's not likely.
So Trump is letting them clamor about this and demand
that it be released and release the files, so that

(07:40):
eventually it will be released and they're going to be up,
you know what, creak without a battle. The Clinton's, I mean,
the whole rotten crew of them, a certain Supreme Court
justice we all mentioned names. You know, a whole group
of them are going to be in big, big as
as George H. W. Bush would say, deep doo doo,

(08:01):
and Trump will be able to sit back and say, well,
you wanted it, I didn't you know you asked for it.
I mean, I think he pulled this one on uh.
I can think of two occasions. He pulled it on
Rachel Maddow back in the first administration, the tax returns.
We're got to see the tax returns. I'm getting them,
I have them, And it turned out to be a

(08:23):
nothing burger, and she looked absolutely ridiculous. And then the
other Great Three.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Chuck about Rachel nano is she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh no, she kept going on audience.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's so stupid that she could offer all these revelations
nothing ever happens, But I think what is occurring and
have senius. In general, there is probably, and we've talked
about this, maybe twenty five percent of the population that

(08:57):
really truly believes is liberal craft.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But the rest of them, deep down, no, it's all garbage.
But for a variety of reasons, they seem to be
committed to this somehow. I remember, my God.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I was in college and talking is a big liberal
professor who you could see was starting to have his
doubts of INFURDI of action and various things that were
going on.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
The war in court, and I mentioned at that time
some of the major tenets of the John Birch society
feature you're a warren at the US, and the un
called Liberty Amendment.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
The major part of that was abolish in the irs.
And I didn't tell him that is John Bird society.
They said, well, what problem do you have with any
of those?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, I don't know. I said, well, what it surprise
you to know that these are the three major tenants
of that hated John Bird society.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
The guy's head exploded. Yeah, but they that's part of
their existence. I think a lot of them are atheists.
They have to believe in subthing. But this is why
people like Hillary Clinton were able to thrive. The only
thing she ever did in her life was Mary Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Although she accumulated a long list of impressive titles, she
never actually accomplished a goddamn.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Thing, no other than enriching herself and going around and
collect Everywhere she went to Secretary of State, they'd make
some back deal and get money sent to the the Clinton,
the the other, the other example. I was going to
use of Trump doing robodov and this was my favorite one.

(11:10):
He called the media. This was I think it was
right after the the the wich m called the Billy
Bush thing and right, and he's I have a media announcement.
I'm going to be issuing a press conference. Everybody clamored
into the press the National Press Club to hear this.

(11:30):
It was like, Oh, they opened the door and they're
at the table, Paula Jones, Wannita Broderick, you know, ha,
and would you like to ask some questions of our panel?
And they all told their stories. It was hilarious. And

(11:50):
then he then to follow it up during the one
of the first debates with Hillary, he had them in
the front row as his guests and and Bill Clinton.
There was a look on his face when he saw
them that it's you've seen this picture of him. His
eyes are bugging out. It was hilarious. I mean, it
was like, Trump is very good at this. He knows

(12:13):
it's a very well crafted plan in advance to set
a trap. And I think that that's what he's doing
now with Epstein. He's setting a trap. They're all flying
in because they hope to avoid this big story. This
actually this significant story that one of the biggest stories

(12:34):
to come down the pike, possibly in our lifetime in politics.
And so they're all like making jokes about it, and
they're showing pictures of Trump at parties with Jeffrey Epstein.
Then he's they're really going to step in it when
they you know, they start.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
But remember the other thing that's going for him is
he's not hampered by this sort of no bless obleege
that was part of the ruling class for a long time.
You remember vividly when Dick Nixon lost the election to
Kennedy and he.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Was actually told by Eisenhaower to question it. Well, you know,
you sort.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Of didn't do that, and the country has suffered enough
and blah blah blah, and everybody liked Jack Kennedy because
he was cute and he was a quote war hero unquote.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
But Trump doesn't play by those rules. No, he doesn't
care that Obama was the first black president so called.
He's not impressed by this fake resume, and he goes

(13:50):
where he's maybe not supposed to go, right, because no,
you wouldn't say that.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
And this seems to be finally the conservatives are fighting back.
You might say, yeah, now that I would compare Candice
Owens completely, but of course she got a sorongly worded
letter from American lawyers representing the Krone family Rights stated

(14:22):
for some time that Brigitte Macron is a man, right, well,
you're talking about stepping in it. All they have to
do is release blood tests whatever. But they're not doing that,
so she say, bring it on.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
You're gonna assue me, bring it on, Let's have discovery.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
And the screw there, screwed.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I don't know what they're thinking, but Trump during his
pres're played by the rules.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
You know how jam you.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean exactly, And then they're falling this stepping
in it also. But Trump during that press conference actually
said something down the line to what you're saying now
with the President of the Philippines, and he said, Look,
in the first term, I did not go after Hillary
because I figured, hey, you know, she's the wife of

(15:26):
the former president. Do I really want to go there.
But after what they did to me, especially during the
law Fair period, the gloves are off. Everything is going
to go. And Telsey gabbartt has more stones than anybody
I've seen. Oh my god, I think that I saw
a funny comment about it that the Democrats made a big,

(15:49):
big mistake. Yeah, when they put her on the no
fly list, it's like, oh, I don't think you mess
with her. I think she probably gonna run for president,
and I hope she wins, you know, in the next
after Trump, because she's she's just this incredible independent person.

(16:09):
She's driven, she's you know, you know, the only thing
they have on either her. I keep hearing the left
because I want to see what they're saying, to the
extent that they say anything at all now that they
know these are all laws, is that it's being done
by the likes of Tulsey Gabbard and Cash Fortell. Right,

(16:34):
And you know, we know what that and Dan Bongino.
We know about that, don't we. In other words, all
these people are all crazy people. That's all they have.
I mean, they're just gonna throw a little mud. I
mean it's not I don't think that there's not much
else that they can stand on now. They just you know,

(16:54):
it's really I actually would expect a little bit more
in terms of like some of defense. I mean, Trump
has publicly called Barack Obama a trader. That is a
really serious charge, and as has Gabbard. Now now that
that's out there, they have to follow through. They can't

(17:17):
just let that sit out there and go. They have
to now start investigating. I think that the weak link
in the whole thing, in my opinion, I hope I'm wrong,
is BONDI you know, she's a protege of Jeb Bush.
She jumped into the Trump with Trump after Jeff Bush

(17:38):
was knocked out of the race, and I just don't
know if she's got the backbone to really do this.
And she is the pivotal person as.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
If you're right, she was a Jebber person. Yeah, but
she got on the Trump train and she's seen that
people are to dismiss her as being a lightweight. So
I think she's going to step up, And you're right.

(18:08):
I mean, potentially she's the Weekly, but I don't think
she's going to act like the Week Linke, and she
may surprise you. In terms of this trader thing. By definition,
Obama's a trader. A trader is someone that gives aid
and covert to the enemy. Well, how about sending ex
billion dollars in cash to Iran?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, I mean, look, this is a very specific situation.
I mean, this is a president of the United States
sabotaging the incoming administration. And it's more than just I mean,
look at John Adams appointed Marshall As on the Supreme
Court as a way to slow down the incoming Jefferson administration. Right,

(18:55):
I mean, that's that's perfectly legal, that's not traitorous. You know,
those kinds of things happen. But this is different. I mean,
he had people in the Oval office, including you know,
Komy and Clapper and all these other scumbags, these usual people.
Sally Yates was there, and they just said, we're going

(19:19):
to promote this kakamamie conspiracy theory. We're going to go
out and have our media friends talk about this we
are going to sabotage this administration with this claim, and
we're possibly going to have them impeached. And his name
is on these documents apparently, A question that have you.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Ever asked yourself? What was in it for Kobe?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think he's a fixer. I mean, he just he's
just a rotten cop. I mean, the only thing that
he did as head of the FBI in terms of
prosecuting anybody, was to prosecute Martha Stewart, right. I mean
he didn't really, I mean, he let Hillary off the
hook with the emails, even after speaking about it and

(20:14):
saying these are serious crimes. This was top secret information
that she had in her server in the bathroom. But
we're not going to recommend anything, right, just we're not
going to do it. And that's that. I just think
that he's like one of these people. It's like Elizabeth
Warren when she was a lawyer. She was a fixer

(20:35):
for big corporations who were being charged with things. They'd
bring her in and she'd make it go away if
she used influence or whatever.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Liz Warren got some money from it, legal fees, call
me getting out of it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
They got a pretty fat book deal. I mean that's
how they usually pay themselves. I mean Barack Obama was
was just a nobody fixing parking tickets in Chicago as
a local stay rep. When all of a sudden he
got an eight million dollar advance for a book. I mean,
that's how they roll. It's sort of like it's the
same scam that exists like in the art world. Right,

(21:16):
you can have somebody put a piece of human excrement
on a toothpick and get like a million dollar advance.
I mean, if it's the right person, and then it's
promoted and you've got all this media behind it, and
suddenly this is like the meaning of the seab does
to the cerebellum, what it does to the equilibrium, And

(21:39):
you get all this garbage and they pay each other.
You know, with these sort of book deals or art deals, you're.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Going to see a lot less of that. The example
that comes to mind immediately is Harry and Meghan, Right,
they were given a Spotify contract, Netflix contract because somebody
thought that there was name recognition and it's gonna bring

(22:08):
all these eyeballs to.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Plus he was he was peddling secrets of his family
and he was screwing his father and other members of
the family, and all of a sudden, I mean, I know,
somebody who likes them, and they're like, you know, they're
wondering why he's not invited to the family picnic. I
mean they are is taking notes, right, and then he's
spilling the beans every chance he can get. I mean,
they can't trust him. But that's what that was. He

(22:33):
was trading in, you know, family gossip and you know,
exposing the foibles of his own father and his own
brother and his own relatives. I mean, really, you know,
disgusting stuff. I mean he even was on record recently
as saying something but well, you know, my father isn't
going to live that much longer. Can you imagine that?

(22:57):
What a kind of a thing is that to say?
I mean, he's not he's a bad apple, and she's
like a real twitch. I mean, oh my god. I
mean so yeah, but they thought they could trade on that,
and that probably that it might have been worth something,
but I don't think it.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
I mean maybe you can trade on it initially, but
you're talking potentially one hundred million dollars. I mean, what
do you do You come out with a show with
three episodes with five episodes. I think it was more
typical entertainment industry stupidity.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Where oh yeah, I saw these guys, you know, and
it looks good to coin the phrase it looks good
in the shower, but it ends up not really working,
you know, right, And I think that you're going to
see a bit less of that because a the public

(23:56):
isn't quite as stupid. B Almost gossip you get for
free anyway.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
No, I get that now. Yeah, So it made that
same dynamic might be playing here in that the whole
cottage industry around this is starting to dry up. Yeah,
And so far the response has been, as I mentioned,
a complete establishment media blackout, which is not going to

(24:29):
work because it's just you know, she's going to be
releasing information they say every week. They can't just keep
you know, putting up a.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Remember it's an official source, the Department of Justice, that's
But the media blackout was on COVID and the vaccines
because the official government position was, oh, these are cool,
go for it, which the whole other story.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
But this is the DOJ coming out with all this stuff.
You know, if you're going to love Obama for whatever
reason and God helped me, I can't figure out why
anybody likes the guy. But there you go.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think he's lost some of his his cult element,
his panache. It's like when Trump was being you know,
hauled into court and when they took like a what
was at best a misdemeanor, they turned it into a felony.
They cut it up into thirty eight pieces. They got

(25:37):
a Trump hating jury and a corrupt judge getting millions
of dollars funneled through his daughter to do a conviction.
Trump was cheered. Maybe he went up to Harlem and
people were like applauding and surrounding him and praising him,
and and then he did the mug shot and it
became like a national sensation. I mean right, I mean,

(25:58):
and and people, you know, he actually increased his people
respected him. He got credibility from that. I mean, he
got street cred. He got the black vote, is what
he got because people were like, hey, this happened to me.
You know, this is like I know what this is
like to be prosecuted.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
It was very poorly handled. They could have come up
with some other way to embarrass him. But this who
I've been saying for a few years on this show
that there is no talent on that side.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, that's what I mean. And Trump also, I think
his son got him booked on several very high visibility
podcasts like Joe Rogan and some of the others, and
he handled himself so well, and he knows how to
do media and he connected with people. Obama doesn't have
any of that. He's about as interesting as a broken leg.

(26:54):
I mean, if you see him, he doesn't have any spontaneity.
He used to read off a teleprompter, even like an
addressed like a kindergarten class, and he's reading off a teleprompter.
He doesn't and he's dull. I just don't think that,
you know, if Trump, if they go after him, I
don't think he's going to generate that kind of interest.

(27:15):
He was not liked. His presidency was a big, gigantic zero.
You know, the Democrats lost the House and the Senate
under him, and he didn't have any coattails. I mean,
it was all a creation. It was all this phony

(27:36):
media adulation, and I just don't think it's going to
work for him now. I mean his he's so he's not.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Going to work for because there's no there there.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yes, when when.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
He was given the Nobel Peace Prize ten minutes into
his term.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, you could see the way this thing was going. Uh,
I mean everybody, I mean avred O Bell, He's gotta
be spinning in his grave, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
And everybody shook their heads on that. Even Obama himself
was was shocked. It's like, really it was. It was
just crazy. I mean, it doesn't you know that kind
of thing. I just don't see it. I don't. I
don't think he's going to have that. And maybe if
he was like a folk hero on the far left,
he might have that. I suppose like mom Donnie in

(28:29):
New York. I don't know. But but Obama doesn't have
that either. He doesn't have any The only.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Thing he had going for was he was an effeminine,
non threatening black guy with.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
A good voice. He was not a good speaker, he.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Had a good and a good voice. He had a
nice smile and a nice image. I think that Biden
said it right, because he's clean, he's a factor, he's
good looking, I mean right, he just filled it was
kind of like an empty suit that sort of filled
this role, first black president since Eisenhower. What can you say?

(29:09):
You know, it's like we just stilled. He filled a gap.
He was there, he was groomed, came out of nowhere
all of a sudden special election in Illinois after the
senator I think was convicted and Alan Keyes was his opponent,
a genuine black man by the way, American African American,

(29:32):
who was a man of ideas. He beat the keys
and two minutes later he's running for president. I mean,
it was just a complete creation.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and it was a little too obvious, right, you know,
you don't really hear about people paying their dues.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
What dos did he ever pay?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
He can't. Yeah, he was as I said, he was
fixing parking tickets in Chicago one minute, the next minute
he's in the White House. It was a that's what
they were looking for. I don't think they're going to
get away with that.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Again.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
They were trying to maybe get Buda Geg to do this,
But now it's come out, there's a new scandal around him.
I don't know if you saw this, No, I didn't.
One hundred billion dollars spent on DEI initiatives.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Oh yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Everyone had said.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
At the time, surprise anybody. The guys.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Whole life was Yeah, but the point is that this
was the accusation being made at the time that DEI
was nothing but a scam and it was just a
money maker, just like I mean, I discovered this in
my classes at ASU, that the critical race theory is
basically a moneymaker. It's an attempt to create a new

(30:47):
institution where they're going to get trained in colleges. The
colleges are going to get grants, probably half of that
DEI when he went to colleges. Then you'll have professional
DEI administrators getting hired by big cop operations and by
the government, and it's become an industry. That's all it is.
It's another attempt for left wingers to try to make

(31:09):
a buck. It's that simple. That's what's say if in fact, look,
I don't everything against psychoanalysis. I think it has a place,
but that's what it started. That's what that started out
as Sigmund Freud would have his Tuesday after evening salons
in Vienna where they would serve chocolate cake and black coffee,

(31:32):
and they would talk about how to make money, mostly
how are we going to turn this into our science,
How are we going to turn this into a profession.
How much should we charge people. How can we get
colleges to include it in their curriculum, How can we
create a national organization that would give credentials you know.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
In other words, it was all about the business of it,
how to market therapy. Now there's nothing wrong with therapy,
but it's you know, it was very much you know,
that model is now being used by things that really
don't have any value at all, like d you know,
like DEI and the stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's what you're saying is it wasn't organic, Okay, because
most of the great successes in history have been because
a need was fulfilled somehow, right, Whether you want to
talk about the pre insanity Bill Gates where he came
up with an operating system for micro computers that was huge.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sure, I mean the problem that was a product. I
mean that revolutionize the.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Grandkids that don't really understand this. That the only thing
you could do back in the day. Obviously you're not
going to have a mainframe computer if you're a small business.
So you either paid for services where you got screwed
up the price it was a believably expensive or you

(33:03):
got a mini computer.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
From a Route one twenty eight company.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
And they were very expensive a mini computer twenty five
thirty thousand dollars back in the seventies, all right, the
software was very clunky and so on. Now entered Bill
Gates with an operating system for a personal computer. And

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then the software that came out the Microsoft office is
so it fulfilled a need.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
It wasn't it created.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
No, he saw an opportunity, revolutionized the way we communicate.
He knew how to market it. My understanding is that
he literally bought the program from some hippie out of
his garage in Seattle, I mean, and for fifty thousand dollars.
And he saw what he knew what he was getting

(34:00):
into there. He you know, he grabbed an opportunity. I mean,
it was. It was.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Contrast there with coming out with DEI critical, you're just
creating something got a whole cloth, doesn't really provide a
product or service for normal people.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
In fact, it's the opposite. It creates division, it creates
its collectiveness. It creates categories of people and then pits
them against each Other's classic neo Marxist theory put in
a practice, it's just warmed over Marxism and.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
All the benefits. Somehow academia.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
They got a big cut, and as do these professionals
who then go into a career of dei and then
they they they use play blackmail companies to hire them
by saying, if you don't hire us, you've got something
against black people, you've got something against gay, he got
something against women. And so they get hired and they
shake them down and they march away with the you know,

(35:08):
the loot.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
The corporations fell for it. I mean.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
The company that didn't which I'm trying to remember the
exact circumstances, but there's a brand of herbal t Celestial Season.
He's a guy out of Colorado.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
He ended up being the youngest self made millionaire in
the US at that particular point. And so some group
came to him.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Whether it's the gays or the whoever, was trying to
shake him down, expecting, you know, just to get a
blade check.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And he tournament said, no, that was it. No.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, they couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
But fortunately and there were people like that, or you
don't hear much about it.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I mean Jesse Jackson. I mean, there's a book about
this a while ago, where they would go into the
corporate boardroom, and they would say, how many black people
do you have any on the staff here? You know,
you better do this. And by the way, you're going
to hire this guy and that guy, my friend, my son,
my buddy, and you're going to give money to this
group and that group and then we'll have everything, okay.

(36:23):
And they went around and did this to all the
major corporations, just extortion totally. You know, it's just yeah,
it's a scam. And so going back to the subject,
I mean, I think that Buddha gag and his connections
to that spending billions of dollars in tax paying money

(36:44):
on this that that his goose is cooked on that one.
So they really don't have anyone else's how come.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
These guys never know when to stop? All right, look
at your friends, you'll Biden, he could have retired after
being vice president, dating his money, gone to a hoope
with and just spend his time on the beach. Why

(37:15):
did he need to be president.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Was very ambition. I think he was pushed into it
by his wife, his son, his people around him who
wanted a They said, all you have to do is
sit in the basement be interviewed by CARTI B. And
we'll take care of everything else. Once in a while,
we'll trot you out like a you know, it's like

(37:40):
the mother in Psycho, you know, like trot him out
on a chair, and I think that, and we'll take
care of everything he does. I mean, it's it's really
abusive in a way. Yeah. And another example, I mean

(38:00):
this goes into this whole rotten mess of like lying
about Trump's you know, conspiring with Bouten, the perfect phone
call conspiracy where you had people planted by Obama. This
is another thing with Obama. I mean he put plants
throughout the government to then be activated at the right moment.

(38:21):
So you have this this really sinister Vinman brothers right.
I mean, he comes out and he leaks a phone
call with Trump and then gives it to Adam Schiff,
one of the most evil individuals in Congress. Oh god willing.
I mean he completely then mischaracterizes the phone call and

(38:43):
lies about it and reads that into the congressional record,
and then when asked about it later, oh no, that
was just a joke. And meanwhile Vinman shows up at
the hearing with fruit salad and like, I mean, this
is trees and the stuff. This is you know, in
or betrayal. I mean, you know, there are certain you know,

(39:03):
to leak stuff like that, and so then you know,
people don't realize that a lot of the stuff that
that Trump was saying, we're private conversations that were leaked,
and that leaking is a felony. Nobody's been held accountable,
No one's ever faced charges for any of this, and
until maybe now now that this.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Is a here for a second, could Trump have done
a better job in tightening up his first White House?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yes, I mean, you know, he did a lot of
people in there that that he should have and I'm disappointed.
As a businessman, he should have known. Maybe he's was
not He was a little green in terms of Washington
and and how to deal with things there. But he
was surrounded by people who were not loyal. And now,

(39:55):
of course the left is like saying, well, he wants
me able to take loyalty oaths. Look at how authoritarian
that is. Well, listen, they all do that and should
do it. Obama did it. I mean he got rid
of people from the previous administration. Biden got rid of
anyone remotely associated with Trump, and I mean they didn't

(40:19):
have to do as vigorous a loyalty program as Trump does,
because they had people around them who were goose stepping along.
I mean, in the case of Trump, I mean, nobody
was really out to get you know, Obama or Bush
or anyone else. I mean they you know, it wasn't this.
You know, they weren't contracting these conspiracy theories and then

(40:42):
getting special prosecutors. I mean, this is you know, so
Trump was facing serious stuff and he wasn't really managing
people on the inside, like for example, Pence. His name
has popped up. We've talked about this. That was a snake.
I mean he you know, Michael Flynn, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn,

(41:06):
I think, whom I believe, has said that Pence was
the point man to getting him removed and setting him
up in a perjury trap. And Pence was involved. His
fingerprints are all over this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Maybe he want was one of these guys that looks
sweetly clean. But I had my doubts about this guy
from from the get go, you know. And what really
ironically turned me against him because I just can't get
this out of my head. He's interviewed by somebody and

(41:44):
he makes a big deal about the fact that I'm
such a Christian that I won't be in the same
room alone with a woman that's not my wife, Right,
I think, where the hell did that come from?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
You know, m'd be a little bit of a I know,
there's a little something creepy about him and maybe a
little overcompensating, especially when the pictures came out of him
as a young man in a gay bar. But that
might have been a fake. I don't know. The point
is that he obviously was not playing and straight in

(42:19):
the White House. He was not a friend of Trump's,
and maybe they thought after the election that Trump would
actually be removed. I don't know. Did they certainly weren't.
They were certainly trying to impeach him or just neutralize
his ability to function by surrounding him with bad people
and tying him up in all these distractions.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Well, I don't know. Maybe Trump just wasn't cynical enough.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
All right.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Remember, he'd been this titan of industry where he can
get the people that he wants around him, and if
someone is disloyal or dishonest, they're gone in a mint.
But now you put a guy like this in the
government that's riddled with useless individuals that have been there

(43:07):
for their whole career and malaymate, in thirty plus years,
I met a host of people like that.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh yeah, sure, riding them they're just you know, the hacks.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And then the other.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Thing you talked about pants, Well, Trump wasn't the first
guy that got bullied in the picking some yuts as
a vice president.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
You might remember Ronald Reagan and G. W.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Bush.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, it was ready to pick Paul Laxall was a
hardcore conservative.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
And then somehow some operachi capt to Reagan and said, well,
you can't really have two people from the West, as
if you're talking about the you know, eighteen fifties or
something as communication. Who they helped cares were someone who
from what state they're from?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So I think that, yeah, that's right. I mean it
was one of these you know they put in the
former head of the CIA, right, I mean it basically
think of Michael Glennon's comment about the double government. They
insinuated themselves. Look at Kennedy had to take Johnson, no
friend as it turns out, possibly even a bit of

(44:24):
a plotter for what happened with Kennedy. Frankly, well that
was you.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Know, I guess the reason given for that is here's
some semi leftist or at least by those standards back
in that day, New Englander, and you're going to have
to balance the ticket whatever the hell that means.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Right, other guy, Well, okay, but Alby J was a
freaking socialist.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I know it was for further so that he couldn't
take strom Thurmond. I don't know whatever, I just yeah,
I mean it's it's this crazy kind of thing, and
I think Trump has learned his lesson. Yeah, I think
that he's cleaning house. Laura Loomer. I know that I
don't agree with some of the things she's into, but
she's a very good investigative journalist and she's ferreted out

(45:18):
a lot of these rotten people that are embedded, and
Trump has responded by getting rid of them very quickly,
even Pam BONDI, I mean, with all of her problems,
she's purging the State Department, I mean the Attorney General's
Department of Justice. And I think that Ruby I was
purging State, so they seem to be doing it. Hex
Seth is doing a good job at Defense, purging some

(45:40):
of these you know types.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
That big agencies health. Yeah, doing it's not so easy
to do.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I mean, and now, of course the the is I
was listening today to steep In and then they're talking
about how the Democrats in the House are obstructing all
of Trump's nominees. Even for the smallest of offices. We're
talking about upwards of like five or six hundred people

(46:19):
who are not being confirmed for office because of this
kind of obstruction, every single one of them. It's never
happened in history. Sure, you know, you have opposition to
someone who's very political, but we're not talking about particularly
political people here. We're talking about I mean, you know,
basically functional and even if they are political, you've always

(46:40):
had people who will cross over and support someone.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Just let me ask you this, where is the leadership
in a Democratic party of you know, the guy that
is going to tap you on the shoulder and say,
what the hell are we doing? Our brand is dying.
We've got nothing but negative, We don't stand for anything

(47:03):
that people want, and we'll slowly dying.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And I think that's what's going to happen, because that
is kind of what happened with all political parties that
sort of faded away for one reason or another.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
And they're still playing the same playbook. And the rumor
has it, and this is according to Steve Bannon's guest today,
that what will happen is that there will be a
recess of the House and the next day Trump is
going to appoint all of these people. Yeah, recess appointment
as recess appointments, which means they'll be in there for

(47:43):
one year, and during the course of that year, the
House can then go in at its own speed and
confirm people, and hopefully by the end of that twelve
month period, everybody will be confirmed.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
The point so therefore, why do it if you know
there's an immediate cure.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
It's because they got nothing, They have no plan.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
They think that won't look good for Trump if that,
or for Johnson if they do that, which is not true.
I mean Obama did recess appointments. That's nothing new. I mean,
you know, a new president has the general a certain
level of a right to appoint the government they're elected.
You know, you want them to have a functional government

(48:31):
and not have no unless it's a damn good reason,
you don't obstruct. So I think that's what might happen.
I hope that's what happens. I think that'd be great
and the next day all of them will be seated.
Trump will have a full functioning cabinet and administration and yeah,
I mean, so far, so good. I mean I think

(48:52):
that Trump was a little bit. I don't know if
you saw today's in his walk through the Federal Reserve
building with j Pott, with the chairman Powell.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
At one point five billion dollar.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, but I think I think that Powell, I mean,
he was with senators, he was with a lot of people,
and I think Powell embarrassed Trump a little bit. I
think that he kind of he was ready for it,
and he kind of pulled the pull the pulled the
rug a little bit there. Whatever, that's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Meanwhile, he's he's way off base by not lowering interest rates.
I mean, every other country in the world right now
is lowering interest rates, and that it's hurting people who
are trying to purchase property. It's just not helpful and
it's not reflective of the value of the currency. It's
just it seems obviously poll.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That he's trying to undermine. Yeahs administration.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You know, you can talk about how illistic the Federal
Reserve is but good grief. At least put in a
guy who is not a total schlock.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Right, Yeah, I don't even think Powell is an economist.
It's like Comy Kobe had no background in law enforcement.
He's a lawyer. Yeah, these people are just career hacks,
you know. He's I think that, you know, Powell is
one of those types. He's a lawyer. He doesn't know
anything about economics.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Well, right, I mean, but the American public would be
very dismayed to see how many people in high government
positions are essentially.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Acts well, and then they have to be they have
to be routed out, and the FED needs to be
seriously reformed. Putting aside whether or not this country actually
needs a federal reserve, which does, it's a whole different
ball of wax. I would only remind people that after
Andrew Jackson got rid of the Second Bank by with

(50:48):
some incredibles, you have to read the speech he delivered
on that, he goes these I'm going to route these
snakes out, every one of them, these serpents, you know,
was strangling. The country went through a Golden age of
economy between eighteen thirty four and the creation of the
FED in nineteen thirteen. I mean, it was a huge boom,

(51:10):
an industrial growth in the middle class. We didn't need
to have a FED. There was no need for it.
The Constitution gives the Congress Article one, section three, clause
I think three, the power to coin money and regulate
the value thereof. That means that Congress, not a federal reserve,

(51:33):
has the ability to regulate the currency and to do
it in a way that's interest free. A federal reserve
can function as a group of advisors. The original Federal
Reserve actually operated inside the US Capitol building, and the
head of the board was appointed by the president. It

(51:56):
wasn't you know, and by Congress was at the table.
Changed under FDR who basically created a super fed.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
And he said, it's always the same name.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yes, he moved them to their own you know. I
mean he was a creature of the bank, right, I mean,
I think I don't know what it was said at
the time. There was a congressman who I forget his name.
It was in my book about Money, who died under
mysterious circumstances, I may note who spoke about this on
the floor of the House. He said, look, this is

(52:30):
a coupdetta by the bankers. This is we are losing
control of our ability to determine the value of our
own money, which means our freedom. Oh what was his name?
He's a great man. I'll have to next next show,
I'll bring this up. It's in my book. A rare
time when you forget an I know, I mean, but
it's not the kind of name you think of regularly.

(52:53):
But he delivered a tremendous speech which i I published
parts of in my own book, where he really nailed
it about what the FED was doing anyway, another subject.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I mean, no one really was able to articulate today
why Golden Sex came out as a golden boy and
Lehman brothers who is allowed to die?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well, that shows how the FED hasn't done anything. I mean,
they said, well, it's going to reduce depressions and recessions. No,
not really. That happened without the FED. It happened with
the FED. There are different reasons why that happens, and
each one is a unique situation that that has to
be examined on its own merits. They haven't. All they've

(53:41):
done is expand the debt and expand the currency to
the point where it's it's almost unsustainable. And by the way,
Trump is doing incredible work in the area of reducing that.
I mean the Department, the Office of Management and Budget,
which is a kind of a liberal supposedly nonpartisan, but yeah,

(54:04):
it leans liberal. They have come out and said that
already the tariff program has reduced the federal deficit by
one hundred billion dollars and is projected to reduce it
by three hundred billion by the end of the year,
and that Trump has already worked out trade agreements with Vietnam,

(54:26):
the Philippines, Indonesia. These are pretty big economies where we
leave in place a tariff, but they've agreed to open
their market to American exports. It reduces the trade deficit
and increases American productivity domestics.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
It's such a sea change.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
It is.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I guess the is way I understand it posts World
War two situation is that, you know, we take it
on the chair.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It's Marshall playing for the rest of the world apparently forever,
and we end up getting screwed and screwed and screwed
and screwed.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
You know, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Somebody uh calls follow on this. Finally, I mean even
in my own business now, I pace of tariff which
because I import from Switzerland. But it just it just
has to balance, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Mm hmm. I'm trying to find out the name of
that that congressman. I think it was McFadden, Congressman Lewis T. McFadden.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well there you go. Yeah, we'll have to just actually
happy with that.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
That's no, no, no out.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
History encyclopedic knowledge.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
So not as not as much as I not as
much as I used to. And by the way, speaking
of which, I don't know if you're using chat ept
at all, uh a little bit. But I actually think
it's a good tool. I mean, my brother who and

(56:05):
I'm saying this it's not nice for me to say this,
but I would describe him as having some ethical challenges
in his life. He has suggested to me that why
you could write a book every three weeks with chet GPT,
why bother writing you could just I'm not going to
do that. But it is a pretty good tool, and

(56:28):
it does summarize things in a fairly good way. It's
definitely on the left, it's definitely liberal. So I put
a caveat and a warning on that, and that I
have enough knowledge at my stage and you know, development
to know this and to know where they're filled with bs.
But even in that cond it's not as bad as Wikipedia.

(56:51):
But even in that context, it's actually a pretty good
tool in terms of getting some background and getting some
information and some direction. It's helping me actually quite a
bit in my book I'm writing.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Now, Well, that's that's very good. You have to be
careful with AI because it will occasionally conflate stuff either
if people have the same name as somebody else.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
You know, the human touch is still missing in the
sense that I remember my wife looked up something like
Joan Jet the rock star, and it ended up.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That they conflated a biography.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
First of all, it's not a real name, but they
conflated the biography of someone actually truly didamed Joan Jet.
And you know, you'd have to know that didn't make
any sense, right, I was married to blahlah.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Oh no, she's a lesbian, she was married anything. So
you'll still see that type of error. So you still
need the human.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Oh yeah, I mean. And one of my professors at
ASU stent out a very stern note not to me personally,
but to everybody if I catch you using chat ept
to write these papers, you're done, you know, because he's
he could see it already, and that, mister, you can't
just look at it as definitive. It's it's just a

(58:22):
tool like anything. It's like if you if you're trying
to get to a destination and you're using ways in
the car. It's not definitive, it suggests, but you still
have to know the area and you have to know
where you're going, and you have to put it into
a context. These things are just electronics and they are

(58:43):
their tools. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
If you're writing a paper for this class and you
use chat GPT and then you massaged it on your own,
then that's completely legitimate.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Oh it is. But the problem is that most of
these people don't. They're too young to know, like where
it's gone off the rails. I mean, as they say,
it can be used as a tool, but you have
to go into it with a reasonable amount of knowledge.
You don't go into it as a clean slate. You
need to check it, you need to cross check, and

(59:19):
you need to kind of just it could be in
that way used as a good tool, as kind of
a guide, as a more sophisticated version, you understand the.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Use of tools where the overall concept still has to
come from your brain exactly. This gives you a way
of summarizing various sources and then you look at it,
which is, let's face it, a lot easier than going
to the library with index cards and make you a

(59:50):
bunch of notes like happen back, you know, sixty years ago.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
That's right. And also the problem with it is that
it's ripping everybody off in that if you have if
you're the author of a book and you have that online,
or if you have articles online on your Facebook page,
AI is stripping it away and putting it into their
system and using it. It's your material, and you know so,

(01:00:17):
I mean that's going to create it's going to put
people out of work. I mean eventually waits around that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
The famously randmcnally would include non existent places on maps
to see if someone's copying them. So I suppose that
you could write a book with some nonsense and you

(01:00:45):
can indicate in the somehow in that book, either either
type style.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
But you're you're, you're right, you get into issues like that,
but it still requires some body to have a brain
to be able to supicize what their final product's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
No, I mean, you know, like you said about Rand McNally,
I think there's some of the tests that I've taken
in the college I'm attending, they do that deliberately. Also,
they'll put something in there that is completely untrue and
off days and if and if you go with that,
they know you didn't actually study the material. Yeah, it shows.

(01:01:28):
Or remember when I when I ran for Congress, a
local reporter called me and he goes, so, you're going
to be making appearances in north Attleborough and Mansfield and
he mentioned a bunch of towns that are not in
the district to see if you can catch me, you know,
to see how much I know, you know, these are
little tricks that you can use. Ah. And I'm like,

(01:01:49):
you got to get up pretty early to fool me.
I know that was onto the district, but but you know,
it's just sort of smoking me out. I understand that
that is part of the process anyway is but just
to kind of wrap it up, I mean, I am,
I am very excited about what's going on with the
calling out Obama especially, but this whole rotten mess. I

(01:02:13):
am absolutely ready to break out the popcorn and watch
and see what happens next. This is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
What is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
To die in the wool liberal when all this craft
comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I mean, right now, they're pretending it's not happening, but
you know they're gonna start to peel off enough people.
I mean, I don't know what they're gonna They're not
gonna do that. Are They're gonna get a rent a
mob to go out and start protesting for Obama? I
don't think so. I don't think they have to pay
people a lot more money than they're paying them now

(01:02:49):
to do that. I mean, and these mobs are starting
to look pretty sad. I've seen them in Newton and
in Brookline I drove by. It's the same old Mockley people.
They've been out there before the pussy hats. They go
back to probably in the sixties, and it's the same
rotten group of sneering, ashen faced, mostly old ladies with

(01:03:12):
due respect, you know, wearing funky clothes and just looking sad.
And I just don't know if that's gonna you know,
it's getting old. It's just not I don't know really
what they can do. You know, this whole thing is
moving forward. People are going to be identified, they hopefully
will be a special prosecutor. They will start to investigate,

(01:03:35):
They will be hearings, people, maybe even Obama himself will
be brought into Congress to answer questions. People will start
to get indicted. And if Obama thinks he's going to say, well,
you can't do this to a former president, well guess
what is now exactly what they did to Trump, except
in the case of Trump, it was on made up stuff.

(01:03:57):
This is real stuff. This is it is treasonous, and
I think that enough people are going to have to
face that. You know, you're not going to get the
far left ever facing anything. But they don't make the majority,
even of liberals. That's cool, you know, It's it's always
come down to a core group that at most has

(01:04:18):
never exceeded maybe twenty twenty five percent of the population.
They're the kafia wearing, pussy hat darning radicals.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
They always don't have them. But I mean, are some
of the soccer moms.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
That at tourney, Yeah, I think that. I think some
of them are some of your middle class. I mean,
they're hardcore left wing, highly educated white women. I'm sorry
to be blunt. They're not going to go anywhere. But
that doesn't just you know, there are a lot of
people out there who are starting to come out of
the woodwork and who are saying, you know this, this,

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I'm tired of this. We've had eight years of these lies.
That's why Trump won. People are sick and tired of
all of these lies constantly. I mean they you know,
ultimately reality has to kick in. People can't do it forever,
at least not on a national level. You can have cults,
but those cults are diminishing, you know. It's it's kind

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of like any other cult. So hopefully that's how it goes.
We'll see well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Good from real lips to God's ear, all right, and
we will see you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
God bless America. We can all hope and pray that
everything works indeed. All right, take care