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February 16, 2026 118 mins
2-17-25 Conservative Commandos: Inflation Slowed to 2.4% in January, CRIME RATES IS ALSO CRASHNG!!!

The January inflation reading offered encouraging signs for consumers and the U.S. economy, with the Consumer Price Index coming in below Wall Street expectations and falling to its lowest level in nine months.  "Inflation fell to the lowest level since May, and key items such as food, gas and rent are cooling off," Heather Long, chief economist at Navy Federal Credit Union, said in an email. "This will provide much-needed relief for middle-class and moderate-income families."
Here are five takeaways from today's CPI report, which tracks changes in prices of goods and services across the U.S.  Inflation came in cooler than expected.  Friday's report showed that inflation in January dipped to 2.4% on an annual basis, a shade below economists' forecasts of 2.5%.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, Welcome, fellow deplorables, Welcome
on you drakes of society, Siicophans, Mega Nazis, awful, horrible people, racist, tomophobes, enophobes,
you know, with the left coil. Yet it doesn't matter
because we think of you as friends, allies and patriots,

(00:28):
and you and everybody else is welcome here. And this
is the Conservative Commander's radio show. And I'm Rick Drader
coming to you from the My Pillow studios, the My
Short studios of the AUN TV network and joining me
today as my co host is the president and CEO
of Frontiers of FREDA and that is George Landreth. George,

(00:51):
welcome back, Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It is great to be here. This is the place
to be. I love the show with you. It's always,
in my opinion, the sort of thing that helps people
be more vigilant, because the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
And I would argue that the Conservative Commandos and the
A and TV network is all about helping Americans to
be vigilant and watch for freedom and opportunity for all.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, you know what's kind of interesting about doing this
show with you and Sharon, Georgia always rejuvenates me. Give
you an idea. I've been up since four o'clock this morning.
That means I've been up for about thirteen hours. And
truth be told, we had a long day. I spent
the day in Philadelphia, my wife, had a couple of
doctor's appointments, got home kind of like late in the afternoon,

(01:37):
had dinner and be honest with that, feel like taking that, Georgia.
But it's always great. It's always great to do the
show with you and Sharon because I always leave the
show for end the show feeling better than to start
the show. And I depend upon that. I really do,
and that's what gets me through this, George. But anyway,
great to be with you, buddy. So what's that beckon

(01:59):
your interest?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, of course, today is President's Day, and I think
it's worth stepping back and remembering the leaders who shaped
the direction of our country. The presidency has never been
an easy job, and from the very beginning, the United
States has relied upon individuals who were willing to shoulder
enormous responsibility and make decisions that in many cases would
echo for generations. And of course the great presidents those

(02:21):
echoes were great, and for some of the ones that
weren't so great, those echoes were kind of bad news.
But anyhow, think about our founders, people like George Washington,
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe. These
were men who weren't just governing a nation, they were
inventing a nation. And Washington set the tone for peaceful

(02:43):
transfers of power and for the limits of executive authority
because there were people who want him to be the king,
and he of course was absolutely no way, We're not
going to do that. And he was much more focused
on His job was not to grandize himself and get
power for himself. His job was to help America become
prosperous and free and make sure it had a legacy

(03:05):
of freedom. And then Adams helped stabilize the young Republic
during its earliest diplomatic crisis. And then of course Jefferson
doubled the size of the country with the Louisiana purchase.
And then you had James Madison. He guided us through
the War of eighteen twelve, which was a pretty challenging
time because it was actually likely that we might lose

(03:25):
that one, and we managed to win it and get
through with it, and that was very important. And then
you had James Monroe, who articulated a foreign policy doctrine
that shaped the Western hemisphere for more than a century,
for almost two hundred years over you know years.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Now, we're still blessed by the Monroe doctrine. Yeah, we
told that during a Cuban missile crisis were during the
Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It made South America and Central America free because basically
we didn't take over them, we didn't run them. We
simply told the rest of the world who wanted to
colonize South and Central America, no can do man. And
so those people were free thanks to our strength and
willingness to stand.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Up for them.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Indeed, indeed, move.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Forward, you have Ibraham Lincoln, who faced one of the
greatest crises in our history, and his leadership preserve the Union.
It set the nation and a path toward, of course,
ending slavery. And then you skip ahead the twentieth century
and you've got presidence like Calvin Coolidge who emphasized limiting
government and making sure we got back to the constitution
and a fiscal restraint, and he had a tremendous period

(04:35):
of economic expansion. And then you can fast forward a
little further and can get someone like a John F.
Kennedy who inspired the generation with a space program and
as a result that also probably helped us win the
Cold War. It was not just a visit to the moon,
but had other impacts as well. And then you go
to Ronald Reagan. He championed economic reforms, He turned the
country around that had been really damaged tremendously by Jimmy

(04:58):
Carter and perhaps previous PAULA Well. He took a firm
stance to help win the Cold War. He helped rebuild
America economically, and he helped us rebuild US militarily, and
he helped us win the Cold War. And then, of
course you can fast forward a few more years you
get to Donald Trump, and he pursued a major tax
reform and tax cuts, and then he also had deregulation

(05:21):
efforts and he reshaped the federal judiciary by appointing people
who believed in the Constitution. And that was just his
first term, and of course the second term he's been
working over time trying to fix all the things that
Joe Biden did to destroy our country. So to me,
it's just a big deal that presidents stay. There's lots
of people to acknowledge and be thankful for. And it's
not just about agreeing with every decision that these leaders made.

(05:42):
It's about recognizing that the presidency is a role that
demands vision, courage, and willingness to confront the challenges of
that time and to look forward and to see how
to fix things so that they won't just work for
today or tomorrow, but next week, next month, next year,
next decade. And so as we look at these issues
facing him our today, I think it's worth remembering that
we've had some great leaders that helped us build a foundation,

(06:05):
and also some of these great leaders helped us fix
the weaknesses of some of the not so great leaders.
So anyhow, I think talking about the presidents that have
been influential in America's history, it makes a.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, to me, George is three most most influential, one
being George Washington. I mean George Washington, the strength and
fortitude if George Washington joined the revolution and the first
his first two terms informing a government that was things
that were unprecedented. He created things that were unprecedented. Also

(06:41):
Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan took office when this country was
in a terrible, terrible mess. Jimmy Carter called it the
Great Malaise. Jimmy Carter shut down Christmas Jimmy Carter. Jimmy
Carter's administration was absolutely terrible. And now we have got
Donald Trump. And I'll be honest with you, I think

(07:03):
that the president that's made the greatest effect on our
country since George Washington, in my opinion, is Donald Trump.
And I think it maybe the problem with all the
presidents we've had from Washington to Donald Trumps, they were
all politicians. Finally we have somebody in the White House
who's not a politician. Finally we have somebody in the

(07:27):
White House who's not afraid to be politically correct. But George,
you had a great list, But there was some market
president's market presidents I wouldn't say remarkable, but market presidents
that you didn't mention. One Franklin, delanor Roosevelt, the other
being Barack Obama.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think that they did a lot of damage.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
An example would be several economists have done studies showing
that FDR did not lead us out of the Great Depression.
He actually extended it. Generally speaking, depressions last for eighteen
months to two years, Max No one lasted for a
decade thanks to his failed policies. And if you looked
at what he did every time the economy started to
pick up and pull out of the depression, his policies

(08:10):
and then crash it again. And fortunately when he was president,
we had some great generals like Eisenhower and many others,
and so we won the war. Somebody will say, oh, well,
he won the war. Its like he didn't win the war.
He was just very fortunate that we had some great
leadership in the military. And while it's true he was
commander in chief, he wasn't out in the battlefield commanding
and doing much. I'm not a big fan of his.

(08:31):
And of course Barack Obama one of the things we
can probably talk about later in the show, because I had,
I mean a number of things that maybe we could
talk about in terms of things like the state of
the economy, things like our national security. And there's lots
of issues that are related to these presidential questions as
I see it. One of them is healthcare, and healthcare
has crashed thanks to Barack Obama and all the lies

(08:53):
he told us when it came to the Affordable Care Act.
The biggest lie, of course, was calling it Before Care Act.
But of course he also does, we can keep our
doctor liked it, We could keep our plan if we
liked it.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
And his own staff.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Told us that those were planned lies because they did polling,
and those were fears people had, and so he had
to lie to them to help them obliterate their fears
so that it could pass.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, George, a couple of things about the past sup
presidents we've been talking about. A lot of people would say, well,
Franklin Doll and Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression.
He didn't. It was actually the Second World War that
got us out of the Great Depression. It was a
great It was just the Second World War that put

(09:38):
millions and millions of Americans to work. It was the
Great It was the Second World War that took four
million men out of our working economy and put them
into the service. It was the fact that well, car
plants and refrigerated manufacturers, they stopped making cars and refrige raiders.

(10:00):
What they made is cars, trucks, airplanes, and ships. It
was the Second World War, not not Franklin, Dollon and
Roosevelt that thank god.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
He extended the Great Depression. In fact, I would argue
it was a depression, and it was a serious one,
but it actually started picking up, and then his policies
crashed it again and again and again. So basically it
became the Great Depression, the Long Depression, thanks to him
and his policies.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And then Barack Obama, I think that his dubious achievement
is he became the great divider of her country. And
I've said him many times on conservative commandos, I think
that Barack Obama was the greatest divider that we had
since Abraham Lincoln. Where Abraham Lincoln becoming president divided the

(10:49):
country north and south. Barack Obama that divided the country
man versus woman, straight versus gay, right versus left. In
every way, this man divided the country. And you know,
I got to be honest.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Least Abraham Lincoln, his motive was to try to keep
the together and eventually get rid of slavery. So that's
a pretty, you know, a good thing. What was Barack
Obama's agenda? Nothing like that. Nothing was that positive.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
When Barack Obama come out and said the police acted stupidly.
Or if I had a son, it would look like
Trevon Martin. And you know, the one thing after Obama
was elected, I thought, the one thing will maybe this
will unify our country, maybe this will answer once and
for all that America is not racist. But it's his

(11:40):
administration did just the opposite, George, just the opposite. And
I want to point out one little thing. And I
know I'm going to get in trouble by saying this.
I turned on the NBA All Star Game last night.
One reason is a player that I like, maxi Is
from the seventy six ers. He was one of the stars.
Wanted to see how he was going to do in

(12:01):
the game. Well, within the very first minute, within the
very first minute, who did they turn the camera on?
Barack Obama is black entourage? Barack Obama is black ontourush.
There was not a single white person sitting around this man.
Now we're supposed to say, well, we're supposed to be colorblind,

(12:22):
and I agree with that, George. We are supposed to
be color blind, Barack Obama is it. We're supposed to
judge people by the content of their character, not the
color of their skin. Certainly, Barack Obama didn't do that,
or at least in his choice of who he wanted
around him at the NBA All Star Game. Now, when

(12:43):
you compare that to Donald Trump and Donald Trump during
his terms in office, I can honestly say he has
been a color blind president. He's judged people by the
content of their character, not the color of their skin.
Believe it is the Cicocrat Party. You probably call them

(13:04):
the Democrat Party, George, but I call them this Picocrat party.
It's a Cicocrat party who judge Peach is judging people
by there by the color of the skin, not the
content of their character. And George, I know I'm going
to get in trouble by saying this, but that's just
an observation. That's just an observation. I had this image

(13:27):
that I've had of Barack Obama at the NBA All
Star Game. Now, George, I want you to chastise me
about this observation of mine.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, I would argue, for example, that rather than Democrat,
maybe we should call them the demoncrats.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I like Picocrat Actually.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, well, I think demoncrats.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
The demonic Picocrat Party. Yeah, Hey, George, let's get a
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on Facebook today and there is a radio station in

(19:06):
central New Jersey and they have the neugacity to talk
about inflation and the price of food. Now, this station
one oh one point five didn't talk about inflation when
it was nine percent. They didn't talk about inflation when
food prices skyrocket is thirty forty to fifty percent. You

(19:30):
know what they're focusing on now, George, The price of
beef and the price of coffee. And of course they're
blaming Donald Trump. They're blaming the terriffs. Hey, George, everything
else is down, all right. Price of eggs is down,
price of milk is down, price of agasas down. I mean,
all the bad things that down. The good things are
going up. Jobs reports going up, the GDP is coming up,

(19:54):
The quality of life in America is going up. No,
what they are concentrating on the price of beef. And
that's because or one of the reasons is in the
Southwest there is a worm that is infecting cattle and beef.
That's my thing. And the other thing is, yeah, coffee's
a little higher coming out of Central to South America.

(20:15):
But George, I am sick. I am really sick of
these lying, stinking, corrupt media outlets who live their life
to destroy not just Donald Trump, but America. And why
because they want the Democrats to take control again. I

(20:35):
think it's so stupid that they are so happy when
something bad happens in America because they think it's going
to help them win elections.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
When Americans talk about the economy, they're not just talking
about abstract numbers. They're talking about their daily lives. They're
talking about the price of their groceries, not just one
item on one shelf somewhere in the grocery, but the
overall bill when they leave. They're talking about the cost
of housing, the interest rates on their mortgage, the ability
to save for retirement, the stability of their job, things

(21:09):
like that. And so right now, the economy remains one
of the most important issues facing the country, and it's
been improving dramatically over the past several years. Inflation was,
of course a major concern. Prices for all the stuff
we needed during the of Biden years, things like food, energy, housing,
they went way up, skyrocketed far faster than wages ever

(21:30):
went up, and so it put a lot of pressure
on families. And of course inflation now has dropped dramatically.
And what people have to understand is when you say
the inflation rate has dropped, you're not saying that all
the prices have dropped. Because the way it works, when
you have rapid inflation, as prices go up, and when
you get rid of inflation, the prices don't continue to

(21:51):
go up, but they still remain higher than they used
to be, even if they drop somewhat. Then what you
do is you fuel the economy so that your income
goes up, and as a result, you're then able to
catch up with the inflation that they affected you. So
an example, the car Loans credit cards have gone through
the ceilings. So the good news has been is that
Donald Trump's policies, well, they told us that all these

(22:12):
inflation was yet worse because of the tariffs, and yet
inflation has gone down to underd about two percent, And
of course, the national debt has continued to grow over
the last several years. Now it exceeds thirty four trillion,
and that's the highest in our history. And one of
the good news there is that Donald Trump has been
downsizing the federal government. We have fewer federal employees since

(22:34):
basically all the way back to.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh, by the way, employment's up to George. In spite
of the fact that Donald Trump is cutting the size
of government, cutting the size of the federal workforce, jobs
are going up. You know, during the Obiden administration when
you had jobs increases, there were government jobs that were

(22:57):
being created.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, they basically they only created part time jobs and
government jos. They didn't do much to create good paying,
regular jobs for Americans. Yeah, it's very interesting that that's
how they did things. But our economy is definitely on
a good path now. I'll be honest. Donald Trump has
not fixed everything that happened in the last four years.
That's not a criticism of him. That's just that if

(23:21):
somebody demolishes a building and it takes them four years
to demolish it, you won't be able to rebuild it
in the same period of time. If you look back,
it took Jimmy Carter full four years to demolish the
American economy, and it took Ronald Reagan almost his full
first term. He was making progress by the time the
first off year election came up two years after he's elected,

(23:42):
but it wasn't fixed all. It was still suffering from
the problems. People have to understand that's not a failure.
That's just that to rebuild something that's been destroyed takes
some time, and we have to be willing to let
them do that. And if you look, it's very clear
that that's what the Trump administration is doing. These are
some bright spots. An example would be the labor market

(24:03):
remain strong. We're getting a lot more manufacturing in the US,
and that's important because manufacturing jobs are very good paying jobs,
and yet you don't have to have a PhD to
get one, and so it helps Americans live a American
dream life, even if they don't have the ability to
demand the highest salary in the world, because a manufacturing

(24:26):
salary is pretty darn good. And so it's just very
interesting to see that. I think that these public policy
changes have made a big difference. Tax policy, regulatory policy,
trade policy, energy policy, all of those have combined to
strengthen the economy, to lower inflation, to cause prices to drop.
And then, while not all prices have dropped to what

(24:47):
they were before Joe Biden caused the runaway inflation, they've
been dropping. And so I think it's time for America
to realize that, like you said, there's some really good
things happening, and let's hope that they can continue to happen.
Let's hope that they continue to go. Because as inflation
rates drop, as an interest rates drop, as energy prices drop,

(25:08):
as manufacturing increases in our supply chains are more secure
and we're not as dependent on China, all of that
is good news. And if we can get our national
debt under control, that's good news. And that'll also fund
and fuel economic growth, so.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
The balance of payments are more balanced. Jewish or something
else sits down, and I think this is tremendous news.
Violent crime in the US city has experienced a historic
decline in twenty twenty five, with homicides dropping nineteen to
twenty one percent, robbery down twenty percent, aggravated assaults decreased

(25:46):
by about ten percent. This collapse in violence, says, brought
rates of many offenses below the twenty nineteen pre pandemic levels,
marking potentially the law with national homicide rate since the
nineteen hundreds, significant drops and robbery, homicides, even carjackings fell

(26:10):
by get this, George, sixty one percent. Carjackings have decreased
sixty one percent from their highs in twenty twenty three.
I say this, George, the good things are going up,
the bad things are going down.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
No, I think it's very true. And there's a couple
of reasons why crime is dropping so dramatically. Of course,
some of it is we've been getting rid of the
violent illegal aliens who are raping and murdering Americans. And
that makes a big difference, because if you're out there
committing crimes once a day or four or five times
a week, and then we get rid of you, that's

(26:48):
a lot of less crime. And there's been you know,
well a couple hundred thousand of those people that they've
gotten rid of, and that's helpful. But on top of that,
it's more than that. He For example, in crime ri
in the cities where the crime is running out of control,
things like in Washington, d C. And I think also
in Chicago and some other places. He's sent in the
National Guard to help law enforcement make sure that the

(27:11):
criminals are not running the city, and they don't feel
free to run the city. They all of a sudden
feel like, uh, oh, this isn't a good place to
do our work, you know. I guess we'll have to
go somewhere else to commit violent crimes. And it's like, yeah,
maybe I ought to get the heck out of this country,
you know. But anyhow, it's just very interesting. That's certainly
one of the reasons or two of the reasons, the

(27:32):
getting rid of the violent illegal aliens that came here,
but also just the generalized work by the Trump administration,
and also hopefully the idiocy of things like defunding the police,
and the idiocy that was so common with the prosecutors
who are basically George Soros prosecutors who wouldn't prosecute criminals.

(27:56):
They'd prosecute everybody but criminals, and they'd try to make
the police criminals. They try to make law abiding citizens criminals,
but if you're a violent criminal, they'd protect you. And
why would they do that, not because they're good people,
not because they're trying to be fair, but because they
obviously hate America and they do not respect the rule
of law. And so I'm hoping that these people are

(28:19):
having less impact, and I think we'll see continued drops
as Donald Trump's able to kind of round them up
or disempower them so that the American people are safer.
Who could be against, you know, being safe, Like who
wants to say, Oh, I hate you Trump and I
want to see all my children be.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Raped and murdered.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
So the left, the left, the left ones, the left
one said they don't care. Georgia. Is only one damn
thing they care about. That's getting back into power, and
it's assuring that these thirty million illegals here get the
right to vote to keep them in power. George. They

(29:02):
want to see the country destroyed under Donald Trump. They
want to see Donald Trump is in his administration fall
on his face. They really hate the country, George, because
they want bad, evil things for their country. All right.
You know, I put something up on Facebook, George. I

(29:22):
put something up on Facebook and support of ICE, And
of course you're going to have some people who, oh,
you know, I'm I'm a bad person now, because I'm
in support of ice. But when I say to these people,
please post your address, post your address because I'm going

(29:44):
to help you get new neighbors. I'm going to put
it out there that you're in favor of giving these
illegal aliens whatever they want. I'm going to put your address.
So if they come to your house, one of these
young ladies from San Jose, California, an area that guess

(30:05):
what aun TV broadcasts in, I say, as aid door,
please put your address. I can help you get a
lot of visitors to your house just by saying you
your home has no hate here. There's no hate here.
Everybody welcome. I'll be all as sure the buses full

(30:27):
of illegal immigrants, rapists, and murderers are dropped off right
in front of your house. And then let's see what
your neighbors think of that. Georgia didn't hear from that
young lady again.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Well, I think that's probably because you hit facts that
she didn't know how to resolve.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Oh, another fact we need to resolve. George, it is
time for another break. Just tis for that, but it
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
And Welcome to the Conservative Commandos Radio Show with George Landers.
And you're truly Rick Drader coming to you from the
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joining us today, and please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Absolutely, we always have the very best guests on TV
and radio, and we have Grover Norquest here to prove it.
He is the president of Americans for Tax Reform and
that's a taxpayer adagacy group that he founded in nineteen
eighty five at the request of then President Ronald Reagan,
and ATR works to limit the size and the cost

(34:58):
of government, and it poses higher taxes at every level
you can think of, and supports tax reform that moves
us towards taxing income one time and at a lower rate.
And so also I should point out that Grover is
the recipient of the Ronald Reagan Leadership Award.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
So it's great to have you here, Grover.

Speaker 10 (35:20):
We really appreciate it, absolutely good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I wanted to ask you a little bit about just
kind of what's going on with taxes, because it's an
important issue, and I guess you know, federally, of course,
the Big Beautiful Bill had some tax cuts in it
and things like that, but we have a bunch of
states that are doing the opposite. And then we also
have some states that are being very strong leaders in
trying to build a strong economy and so forth. So

(35:46):
I just kind of wanted to ask you to help
us understand what's going on there, because in Virginia, at
least with the new governor, it's like they want to
tax everything. I'm surprised they're not going to tax us
for breathing. You know, I mean a list of stuff
they came up with, but can you give us kind
of a rundown. And also, I think it'd be good
just make sure our viewers and listeners understand why lower

(36:09):
tax rates are important. It's not just so that we
have more money, which is awfully a big deal. I'm
not saying that's an important I'm just saying it also
helps the economy grow so that future generations will be
better off, not just us today because we keep more money,
but in the future we'll build a better future of
stronger America. So if you'll explain all that, sure I'll

(36:29):
be quiet.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Like you do it.

Speaker 10 (36:31):
Americans for Tax Reform asks all candidates to sign a
pledge that they will never vote for a tax increase.
They can reform taxes, but no net tax increase, keeping
rates where they are or taking them down, but not
a tax increase. So a vast majority of Republicans in
the House and Senative made that commitment, two thirds of

(36:52):
all the Republican governors, over a thousand state legislators. And
that's important. Don't raise taxes, don't make things worse. Okay,
then what then we saw tax reduction each time there's
been a Republican president. Coolidge was helping his cut taxes.
Reagan cut taxes, the Bush's cut taxes somewhat. Trump had

(37:13):
a very significant tax cut that he then made permanent.
And those lower rates matter to economic growth. You have
with the Trump tax cuts. Full expensing, So in a
business spends a million dollars to buy new computers for
everybody in the office, or new trucks to make each
individual more productive. That's how wages go up because the

(37:37):
same person, with more capital more investment per worker, can
get things done faster, better, safer, and sooner. And that's
why Americans get paid more than people in other countries.
Not because we're nicer, but we have more capital per worker,
more investment per worker than Pakistan or India in most

(37:58):
other countries, and that's our higher income. So you want
to keep taxes low on investment. You want to keep
taxes low on working. You want to say, if I
work this Saturday, how much of it do I get
to keep?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (38:11):
Not too much, I'll take Saturday off. You reduced the
cost of non work whenever you raise taxes. Why would
I work so much if it goes to taxes. They're
fifty states, and once you have a tax cut at
the national level, that helps everybody. But then the decision
has to be made by a company looking to invest

(38:32):
or a worker decided where do I want to be
among the fifty states? Do I want to be with
one of the eight states that has no personal income
tax at the state level none? Do I want to
be in one of the twelve states In addition to
those eight where the legislature has said we're going to zero,
We're phasing our income tax to zero. Mississippi has made

(38:54):
that commitment in law. They are phasing their income tax
to zero. So has Oklahoma, and so has West Virginia.
They're looking to speed theirs up. And Kentucky they just
voted to speed theirs up and Indiana five states that
if they just sat on their hands, the income tax
phades to zero as revenue comes in from economic growth,

(39:15):
and they limit how much they increase spending. There are
twelve states where the leadership says that's what we're doing.
So where do people move to? And we see this
on U Haul's right up and now the census tells
us where are the people? Where are the people? We're
going to look for them in California. Woo. Not as
many people in California as we expected, and more people

(39:37):
in low tax states. So we see that on average,
the top height income tax states, I'm sorry, the top
loser states, the states people leave have higher income taxes
than the ten states that people move to. So it's
not one state or people move for the weather. I
was going to kick out of politicians are saying, I

(39:59):
think people are moving from California income tax top rate
about fifteen percent to Texas zero. I think they're moving
there for the weather. No one in the history of
Western civilization has moved out of California for the weather
or into Texas for the Weather's that's not happening. So

(40:20):
we do see people moving. Businesses move, investment moves, jobs move.
People follow your children and grandchildren leave blue states that
where they maybe they're living with you and move to
the states where jobs are being created in low tax states.
So the country's moving. Jobs are created in the rust belt.

(40:42):
Sometimes they say, oh, that other countries are stealing our jobs. No,
if you look carefully, they moved as far as Tennessee
because that's where you have better labor law and lower taxes.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, it's kind of an interesting reality, which is people
behave which you might call rationally. If somebody is going
to take more and more of your money and make
it harder and harder to afford things, you might say,
I got to find someplace else, and it may. I
think there was a time when there wasn't too much
difference between the states. There was some difference, but not

(41:17):
what It wasn't radical, but it's becoming very radical. Now
you have states like you know, California, that are in
Virginia apparently trying to become the next California, which is
just very unhelpful because during Governor Younkin's term, he built
a huge surplus. He cut taxes and spending and so

(41:38):
there was more money and it made it possible to
cut taxes even more. And yet Abigail Spanberger wants to
increase taxes like crazy. And so I feel like the
economy in Virginia is going to go firmly downhill. May
not in the DC area, because the economy is basically
kind of, if you will, functions on the strength the

(42:00):
federal government in its size and so forth and spending.
But once you get outside of that circle, right, around DC.
I think it's going to be really problematic, and so
I just wanted to ask you, am I being a
little too cynical about that? Or are those kind of
this history prove.

Speaker 10 (42:16):
That no, that's exactly what's happening. And Virginia and Colorado
are the two states that were once red states, once
had relatively low taxes and limited spending, and both decided
to become big tax states. Sadly, in Colorado, a Republican

(42:36):
governor led the fight to break their Tabor taxpayer Bill
of Rights that limited the growth of spending. And that's
one of the things that even though they often elected
Democrat governors, there was a limit on how much they
could spend, and so it would often be ranked by Cato,
the great think tank. Cato would rank who's the best governor,
and the governor of Colorado would rank very well. But

(42:58):
it wasn't the governor. It was the tack, the limit
that the court that was in the constitution on how
much he or she could spend. A Republican governor poked
a hole in that. Spending has gone up. The state
has gone completely blue. Because once you get the government
so big that everybody's either on welfare or getting a
check which they may call work, but it may look

(43:19):
like welfare. You get more government workers getting paid beyond
what's needed to provide serious efforts that are necessary. And
then the same thing happened in Virginia. Twice Republican legislatures
voted for tax increases at the request of Democratic governors,
which they promised would be spent wisely, and all went
to higher pay. They promised it would be roads. No

(43:41):
it wasn't. And now you put enough people on welfare
in government work, and you convince them that the Republican
Party in Virginia, not Youngkin, but the guys coming up
behind before him, and in Colorado, that the Republicans aren't
going to hold the line on taxes. And the Democrats
now have many, many more precinct workers, because that's what

(44:04):
government employees and welfare recipients are as Democratic precinct workers
in waiting and those states of flip blue. And now
they're hurrying. As you mentioned Spamberger, the new late woman governor.
She wants to massively increase spending and regulations. Her regulations
that she's already signed to do will add the cost

(44:25):
of one thousand dollars a year to people's home heating
costs and air conditioning costs, no benefit at all, just
higher costs, no spending to do anything good, just higher
costs to make everything green and expensive. So you have
a real challenge here. Those are two states that are
heading in the wrong direction. On the other hand, Arkansas

(44:48):
and West Virginia liberal Democrat states for one hundred years
big spenders, have now flipped two thirds Republican because the
Republicans said we're never raising taxes, and they've held their
word and they've now governed those states at the state
legislature level. South Carolina, North Carolina government and Georgia, all Alabama, Mississippi,

(45:11):
all red states. That's the change from one hundred years
of history post Civil War, where those were blue states
that were happy to raise taxes and spending. So you
can change the direction your country, your state goes in
just elect the right people.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, Unfortunately it's you know, like Abigail Spenberger ran claiming
to be a moderate, and I wrote an article back
and I think I was October, pointing out that her
coressional record proof she was not a moderate, didn't have
a moderate sell in her body, And I have to say,
she's proving me right.

Speaker 10 (45:48):
The US Chamber of Commerce in Doorster when she was
running for Congress, because some idiots said we should have
at the points that we should endure some Democrats for
no particular reason. She voted for organized labors, build that
gives you everything they want. She voted against all the
tax cuts. She doesn't have, as you point out, any

(46:09):
pre market, low tax, limited government, free speech efforts that
would matter to people are letting workers keep their rights
to join a union or not join a union. And
she is going to govern as the Democratic Party tells
her to because she's not an independent voice. She was told,
if you do what we want, we'll let you sit

(46:30):
in the big chair.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
That's a very very good point.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I know I've got lots more to talk about, and
I think in the next segment we can dig even
deeper in some of these tax issues because they're so important.
They deal with the question of affordability, whether people can
afford to live, but they also deal with the question
of economic growth, which basically makes sure that the next
generation and the following generations can have a better life

(46:57):
because for so long America is always every generation improving
and the last while since the left has gone crazy
on us, it's been in collapse, and so it's time
for us to get back to what works. So I
know this, folks, don't go away, because we're gonna have
Grover Norquist back and he'll be able to explain all

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Speaker 1 (50:57):
Welcome back to the Conservative command of this radio show
with George Landers and yours truly, Rick Trader, coming to
you from the my Pillar studios to my store of
studios of the au n TV network. Grover north West
is our guests. He's the President of Americans for Tax Reforming. Hey, Grover,
thank you for holding through that break. We really do

(51:18):
appreciate your time, you know, Grover, being older than dirt,
I do remember history. I remember a guy by name
of Mondale who lost a presidential election because he promised
to raise everybody's taxes. And then you had another guy,
George Bush Senior, who won an election because he said,

(51:41):
read my lips, no new taxes. Well we know that
was a lie, but it did get him elected at
least for one term. But what we're seeing now in
the results in New Jersey and in Virginia, they elected
governors who promised to drastically raise taxes. In New York City,
they have elected a mayor who promised to drastically raise taxes.

(52:06):
But then we see states like Tennessee where you got
movie stars and sports stars moving there because of the
favorable taxes. Grover a winning or losing here, buddy, We.

Speaker 10 (52:18):
Are winning in the long run, in the short run
right now, but in the long run. Because there was
a great comment by a East German communist writer who
when asked about the anti communist rallies in East Germany
shortly after World War Two, and you're not supposed to

(52:38):
have a workers revolt inside a workers paradise, and asked
to explain it, he said, well, I think we need
to elect a new people now, a sort of a joke,
kind of covering for the fact that the people didn't
want what the communists wanted. But you can't elect a
new people. And here's how you elect a new people.
You govern your state correctly. You have low taxes, You

(53:02):
make it inexpensive to get for people to get permits
to build a house. You reduce taxes on business investments,
so people from all over the world Abu Dhabi to
New York City to nextdoor invest in businesses in your state.
People follow those jobs, families follow those jobs, and we

(53:24):
have seen those states that have low taxes, particularly low
income taxes, grow. When I was a kid, Florida was
full of hows. Okay, I mean my father, my grandfather
raised cows in Florida, and I got skyscrapers where he
used to have cows walk around. And it's now more

(53:46):
people in Florida than New York. More people in the
state of Florida by about two million than New York.
People leave New York. They move to Florida. Less regulation,
fewer taxes, right to work loss that allow people to say,
I don't want to join the union. You can't make
me in New York. In California, we can make you

(54:07):
join the union. We can make you pay dues. Sit down,
shut up, don't be telling us anything. You're stuck. That's
labor law in those states. So there's a big difference
between the states people move to and the states that
they leave. And what happens is every ten years we
do redistricting. Every ten years, we have a census, and

(54:29):
the new census tells us that in five years with
the new redistricting, because of the new census, it looks
like they'll be nine or ten more Republican congressman in
red states and nine or ten fewer Democratic congressmen in
those dates. That's a swing of twenty If that had happened,
the Republican majority for the last two years wouldn't have

(54:51):
been three or four. It had been twenty three or four.
And that's in five years. In another ten years, assuming
the Republicans don't go crazier the Democrats don't get smart,
but both continue on the paths that they're on, it'll
be another ten or more red state congressmen and ten
fewer Democrats. Now we've got a forty vote base for

(55:16):
the difference between Republicans Democrats in Congress. This is the
future because the Democrats are not learning to deregulate. They
talk all about affordability. There are two sides to affordability.
When you get a tax cut, that's a pay increase

(55:36):
a tax reduction. A tax cut is a pay increase.
It makes everything more affordable with taxes are cut, because
you have more money to buy whatever you want, What
products are more affordable. Everything's more affordable if you have
lower taxes. If you raise taxes in a blue state,
everybody's poorer and everything's less affordable. Well, but housing, everything

(56:00):
is less affordable because you've taken money from people and
they don't have as much money to spend, so everything's
less affordable. Yes, their costs involved, and certainly when the
government has regulations they've made the cost of our energy
too high, that's beginning to stop getting worse and begin
to get better. You're looking at the cost of a
new house. Much a quarter of that is regulations that

(56:25):
can be brought down. We don't need to subsidize anything.
We need to stop expensive regulation and stop taxes that
are that high on those houses.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Well, Garvor being older than dirt, like I am. I
remember the Beatles, yes, and I remember people like John
Lennon moving out of Great Britain to the United States.
One of the reasons you mentioned was taxes. You know,
at one point there were twelve nations in Europe that
had a wealth tact. Now it's down the four. What
did they learn.

Speaker 10 (56:56):
They learned that people like the Beatles, people like stars,
people who invent new products. There's a reason why the
United States has so many unicorns, the companies they've become
worth a billion dollars, and Europe has very few. In
the United States, we have many successful people. Most of

(57:19):
them earned it in their lifetime. In Europe, the companies
that are large are one hundred years old, huge steel milk,
kind of monopoly or something. They have very few new
companies that want to tax and regulate our new companies,
but they're not producing it. So the tax on people's

(57:41):
wealth tax, you're right, they're down to four and only
and three of those don't really raise anything. I think
Spain is the stupid one still. But here's interesting. You know,
John Lennon learned to leave and you saw mass a
lot of talent left the I would recommend everybody to
if they're not in the age group that you and

(58:03):
I are, where we love the Beatles and know all
of their songs. Tax Man, where Ringo Star sings, is
about why they left Britain and about how much tax
taxation had gotten to be. Taxman worth googling and listening to.
It's great fun. But in California they're talking the liberal

(58:25):
Democrats are talking about having a new tax, a wealth
tax only on the very rich.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
To start, Oh, to start, that's the they were to start.

Speaker 10 (58:36):
When the Democrats have a new tax on only they're rich,
they haven't finished the sentence. And then you the personal
income tax nineteen thirteen personal income tax. What did they promise?
You had to make eleven million dollars in today's dollars.

(58:57):
Actually it's more. This number comes from pre Biden, so
it's probably fourteen million dollars a year to pay the
seven percent top rate. So why would you worry about this?
This is not going to be a problem for you.
It's only the guy's making thirteen million dollars in today's dollars. Well,
pretty soon the income tax was everybody, and the bottom

(59:19):
rate in the United States is higher than the billionaire's
rate from before. So they took the tax on rich
and turned it into a tax on just about everybody.
They did a tax on phones to pay for the
Spanish American War tax. That was a tax that was
only on the rich. You had to be making long
distance phone calls, okay, And since the phone cost four

(59:43):
thousand dollars in today's dollars, they were new, only rich
people had them. That doesn't bother me. It wasn't too
long before everyone in America had a phone. And by
the way, there are parts of this country still paying
that tax. It was largely taken out but not completely.
And while I went to public school, I saw on
TV that the Spanish American War has been over for

(01:00:05):
several weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Grever norquis Americans for Tax Reform, Grover, before you go,
I want you tell us a little bit about Americans
for Tax Reform and also the Taxpayer's Pledge that US
candidates to sign.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
Sure. The Taxpayer Protection Pledge is something I worked when
President Reagan asked me to run Americans for Tax Reform.
In order to support tax reform, we said, well, we're
going to reduce rates, broaden the base, but here's a
pledge we want everyone to sign that they'll never allow
taxes to go back up again. And in nineteen ninety four,

(01:00:41):
ninety six percent of all the Republicans in the House
and Senate signed the pledge, and they won control of
the House and Senate because the Republican Party became in writing,
not just in a speech somewhere, but I signed a pledge,
and it's all up online. You can see if you
want to know whether your congressman, said, state legislator, governor

(01:01:02):
governor Florida is a pledge Steiner, they'll tell you I'll
never raise your taxes. Other people, I won't tell you. Now,
if my neighbor said he told me he wouldn't eat
my cat, but he wouldn't put it in writing, I'd
keep the cat inside. Okay. Any politician who tells you

(01:01:23):
they won't raise taxes but they won't put it in writing,
what are they hiding? What are their plans? So we
make it clear. Any politician who wants to say, honestly,
let me tell you guys, I'm never raising taxes. Here,
it is in writing, it's on the internet. Nobody can
ever make it go away. It's not like the Epstein files,
which appear and disappear. This is this is right there.

(01:01:44):
You know who's taken the pledge and who hasn't, and
so that there are big fight is to make sure
things don't get worse. But now we're working state by
state because everyone wants to be Florida. Everybody wants to
see their income tax down towards zero. There are five
states that have passed the law to trigger down to

(01:02:05):
zero as revenue comes, instead of spending it, they reduce
the rate until it goes to zero. South Carolina, the
House has passed that bill. The Senate leader said he's
going to pass the exact same bill. This will happen
in the next few months. South Carolina, and the governor
is a big supporter as well. That's South Carolina will
be triggering down to zero. North Carolina is triggering down

(01:02:26):
to two point four to nine, and then they'll do
it again. But two point four nine is a lot wait,
a long way down from the seven to seven that
they were before. West Virginia's permanently going to zero. So
is Kentucky, so is Mississippi, so is Oklahoma. We have
a lot of states that have said, we see that
getting rid of the income tax brings jobs, opportunity, gives

(01:02:49):
people more freedom. We don't need to spend endlessly. So
we're working with many of the states to phase their
income tax to zero and to put limit on what
local governments can raise in property taxes. We shouldn't be
subsidizing those incompetent mayors who keep spending too much and say, oh,

(01:03:10):
would the state give us some money or I threaten
to hold my taxpayer's hostage and give a property tax. No,
we're not going to let you raise the property tax,
and we're not giving you any money. Learn to govern.
Raising taxes is what politicians do if they can't govern.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I like some of the signs I've seen. Look on
ninety five. Welcome to the South, leave your politics home.
Grover Nork with some Americans for Tax Reform. We appreciate
you joining us. Give out that website.

Speaker 10 (01:03:39):
Website is atr dot org. Americans for Tax Form atr
dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Grover again, thank you so much for joining us. Take
care and God bless Rick.

Speaker 10 (01:03:50):
Thank you, and George, thank you.

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Welcome so the Frontiers of Freedom's weekly report, and of
course a special welcome to our WCRN listeners in Boston
and our AO and TV viewers in California, Nevada, as
well as our viewers all over the globe thanks to
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world probably does. But anyhow, I'm George Landreth, and these intelligent,
well spoken senior fellows, doctor Joe Manjacatti and Tom Donaldson
are here to help us have a very intelligent and
insightful conversation, and they always do that very well. I

(01:07:44):
guess I'll start off this by explaining a letter that
we are putting together at Frontiers of Freedom. It's a
coalition letter. It's going to go to Senator Scott, who
is the chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing,
and Urban Affairs, and also to Representative Hill, who is
the chairman of the House Committee on Financial Services, and
it's going to deal with some financial services issues because

(01:08:05):
when government tries to lower costs through heavy handed regulations.
They've done that sometimes with credit card caps, rent control,
drug price mandates. The result is almost always the same,
higher prices, fewer choices for consumers, and worse outcomes for
consumers because markets and competition consistently do a far better
job of driving down costs and expanding consumer choice. And

(01:08:30):
so there's this issue. They have the try merge credit
reporting systems. So if you're going to get a mortgage,
they use three different credit reporting systems because they don't
all have the same data. And by having better data,
it reduces your cost, you have a better option, and
the banking system has more trust in the report that's given,

(01:08:52):
and so it keeps your credit costs down. But they're
saying like, oh, yeah, let's get rid of one of
those and just then you don't have to do it,
And it's like, okay, all that's going to do is, yeah,
it'll save you a fifty bucks, and it could cost
you tens of thousands of the course of a thirty
year mortgage because the accuracy of your report is very critical,

(01:09:13):
and even a small scoring error can push a family
into a far higher price loan and raise their monthly
payment and the total interest that they pay of the
life of the mortgage just skyrocket. So the try and
merge system protects borrowers from being penalized by simply that,
because if you only had one bureau, they would have

(01:09:34):
an incomplete file, and then the lenders would be less
confident that they're making a good risk. And so it's
very important that and this interesting enough. This idea was
first floated during the Biden years. Why because it makes
it sound like you're trying to help people afford things better,
just like the same way Mandami's been doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
You know, he makes it sound like he's going to
make things cheaper.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
If you believe that, you stupid. The history here is
very strong. Show me a city that has rent control
where the housing prices have dropped. And the data analysts
have estimated that limiting the trimerge system would cause four
point four million Americans to lose access to mortgages and
saddle borrowers with an extra six point five billion in

(01:10:21):
unnecessary interest costs due their credit tier downgrades, and also then,
because Fannie May and Freddie Mack back more than half
of all US mortgages, lowering these standards would then impose
on taxpayers billions of additional risk during an economic downturn.
So that's why we're putting this letter together saying, hey, guys,

(01:10:42):
let's not do this, Let's not be stupid, let's not
harm consumers, let's not make the American dream even harder
to get to get to, and so forth. I do
know if you guys have any thoughts on that, But
I love Toby.

Speaker 15 (01:10:54):
You know, both Joe and I've been in the real
estate business, and I go back to the two thousand
and seven which was caused by bad loans, which was
basically a result of easing of these standards. And I've
seen the same thing, you know, Biden tried to do.
You know, they're doing that, and unfortunately, so you lower
the standards, you're going to end up back where we

(01:11:16):
were in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine. And I just don't see. This
is one of those things. It's not like the history
is that far off.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
It wasn't that long ago we went through all of this.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
Yeah, mortgage crisis of two thousand and eight.

Speaker 15 (01:11:30):
That's something yeah, I mean, and so it just doesn't
make This is one of those things that you say,
well on paper, sounds good. In reality, it's gonna, as
you stated, not only make it more difficult people get mortgages,
but they're gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Get higher mortgages.

Speaker 15 (01:11:43):
And we're going to have back to the same point
where literally we're going to have people who quite frankly,
probably shouldn't get a loan or should wait to get
a loan, end up basically end up counseling, you know, losing.

Speaker 9 (01:11:57):
Their house and pay the bills. Well, there's a pretty
there can be the times, pretty big discrepancy between the
bureaus too. You know that the fight go over here
is something, but the TransUnion is a much different level.
So the tri merger of those is usually more of
the medium or the you know, more common Okay, I

(01:12:17):
don't know, it's going to be more accurate representation of
the credit picture. And you know, to Tom's point, that
was horrible. I was originating mortgages at that time and
right before that time, and we had some of these
subprime guys that we're talking a half a percent on
the interest rate right to the lend or to the

(01:12:38):
person lending or the borrow I should say we're talking
on one sheets, right, I mean they were. There were
noa noo, no no job, no acid verification, right, one
one one sheet application that people were getting waitresses making
seventy two thousand, were getting, you know, eight hundred thousand

(01:13:00):
dollars mortgages with this subpride stuff, and that contributed to
all this. So I think that you should leave the underwriting,
you know, to the industry. They are, in fact protecting.
Their fiducial responsibility is to the investors, to the money
they're lending, and their job is literally to make sure

(01:13:20):
it's going to get paid back, which is why we
look at the whole Trump thing where all these banks
are like, I don't understand what the problem is. We
decided on our own that we were going to lend
them the money. He paid it back early and with interest.
We made a lot of money, and we'll be happy
to lend him again and again and again. That's what
we do. In these companies, mortgage companies, finance companies. They're

(01:13:41):
not in the now. They may be in the real
estate business, a whole different part of the business. But
their goal is not for you to default. They want
you to pay that you're going to understand the first
several years that your loan is like eighty percent interests
for them. They want you to be able to afford it.
They want you to buy it. But they've got to
make sure that can happen. So let the industry underwrite

(01:14:03):
these mortgages the way they always have. Stop whenever the
government steps in, Guys, doesn't it, George to your point,
every time they try to step in to do this,
these people don't know how to do this. You know
Elizabeth Warren, right, she helped screw up this industry. The
mortgage industry is as much as Bonnie Frank did. Yeah,
go back to the Frank Dodge bill, right, that was

(01:14:24):
the biggest cluster in the mortgage industry.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Ever, Yeah, that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Let's shift gears to California because what's happening in California
right now is the perfect example of why so many
families and businesses are fleeing the state at record numbers
and why they don't trust Sacramento to leave them alone
even after they're gone. A former California family posted documents
showing that the state is trying to collect income taxes
years after they moved to Florida. And it's not just

(01:14:50):
a rumor. They're actually a copy of the letter that's
dated January sixth, twenty twenty six. And they left California
in twenty twenty one, and they sold their home. It
closed in early twenty twenty two, and so now four
years later, California is demanding money from them even though
they've been gone for four years. And this is just

(01:15:11):
kind of crazy. It's California has some of the highest
taxes in the country, but it must be the only
state in our country that tries to tax people who
live in other states and have been there for four years.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
Can that even legally be done? Can you first of all,
retroactive taxes back to twenty twenty one, and can you
tax somebody for leaving? Like? Is that even constitutional? Does
it pass legal muster? I mean, can that even be done?
Or is this just a hey, we'll do it and
if they pay, they're the idiots.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Well that's maybe their plan is to try to bully
people into paying them, But the reality is, to make
a good point, there's this question of having jurisdiction an
example would be there are forty nine states that cannot
tax me on my income because I don't live there,
I don't work there, I don't earn my money there,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
And so if they tried to do that and be like,
wait a minute.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
If an actor's movie is played in all fifty states,
does every all states get to do income tax for
that actor?

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
The actor? But they could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
They can certainly do taxes on the Hollywood film or
movie company because they're making money over and maybe sales
tax they pay or something like that. But the bottom
line is, yeah, the actor could not be I'm gonna.

Speaker 15 (01:16:25):
To appoint you because this is kind of an interesting
story because a lot of these people who are being victimized,
we're a good portion of the people who helped fund
the Democratic Party in California. Now that you got you
got this story, you've got the billionaire tax, which is
basically the wealth tax, which to me ought to be
unconstitutional in any form because you're taxing income that you

(01:16:50):
haven't even tapped into it. You know, people get what
they you know they you know, democracy is you get
who you both for. You get what you want, and
you get it hard. And quite frankly, this is an
example of what happens when you kind of like the
kind of people like Galvin Newsom and others like him

(01:17:11):
are an Adam ship.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
Well, the upside of that, Tim is you all is
giving Gavin Newsom and play the year would he's cast
were you all business out of California than they could
ever hoped for?

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, Well, what it's interesting is Gavin Newsom's leadership has
just caused not just the thing we were talking about,
the taxes for other people, but just the cost of
living has just gone crazy there. And it's kind of
a predictable result of decades of policies that have made
the state more expensive, more regulated, and less responsive to
working families. And the real question is whether California is

(01:17:45):
willing to reverse course.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
I think the people might be willing to reverse course.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
But Gavin Newsom, of course is not, because he's a
leftist kook and he's happy to destroy the state. And
that's what he's been doing for literally a very very
long time, beginning when he.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Was the mayor of San Francisco. He's just been NonStop.
One of the biggest issues is housing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
There are millions of units short, and that scarcity is
driving everything and it's making prices for housing gone up
weight because years of zoning restrictions, environmental reviews, local veto
points have made large scale building nearly impossible, and so
fixing the crisis means they're not have to streamline these processes,
stop creating regulatory barriers, and allow people to actually live

(01:18:25):
where they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Live and build.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Another issue of energy, California has some of the highest
electricity and gas prices in the country, not because energy
is scarce, but because policy choices have made it expensive.
And then third is taxes and regulations. The state's tax
burden is among the highest in the nation, and its
regulatory environment is one of the most complex and burdensome.
So I want to ask you guys, you know this

(01:18:47):
has real impact, so that families are having a harder
time surviving because the state is basically screwing everything up.

Speaker 15 (01:18:55):
Well, this is a good example. This is what happens
when you have marches run essentially, because here's the thing
you make the point of energy and electricity. California is
very rich in fossil fuels.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I mean, there's absolutely no.

Speaker 15 (01:19:10):
Reason why they should even be happening because they could
literally export to other states the resources that they have.
I mean, there's absolutely no excuse, but they have chosen
to restrict that. They just look at the people trying
to rebuild their homes. How many the last time I checked,

(01:19:32):
I don't even think they build what one or two homes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
They basically.

Speaker 15 (01:19:37):
People to rebuild their own homes in their own community.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
Because they're regulating them to death. I mean, whether you're
a business or these people who who are trying to
rebuild their homes, and then you've got the problem because
the insurance companies aren't paying out because they don't want
to pay out till they get the construction permit, and
they're not getting the construction permits. And I mean, Gavin
Newson's going around talking about twelve hundred permits, but what
he's doing is people who got a permit to offer

(01:20:06):
something on the house, put a deck on the house
or a little thing like he's counting that as an
improved permit. So he's cooking the numbers right there. And
when the actual like the Palisades, I think it's three
homes that have actually been built in a year, and
one of them was a spec House. So it's just
what has happened. I know the Trump administration has talked
about seeing if they could get in there and kind
of take that over. You know, the federal permits were

(01:20:28):
basically all cleared on mass it's the state stuff and
the local stuff that they people can't get.

Speaker 15 (01:20:34):
Well, those it are up and never let a crisis
go to waste because they're basically want to build low
income housing where they used to be high income housing.
And it's it's kind of like we have the opportunity
to basically change these communities outright again, it goes back
to the point that George made. You got regulations, high taxes,

(01:20:55):
purposely done net zero type energy policies. I mean, let's
be blunt. You know, yalln Newson turned a state that
used to be golden and to let.

Speaker 9 (01:21:06):
Yeah, I'm in the history of the state. More people
leave than go there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Well, there's another possibility of conversation here because Senator Mark
or Rubio recently said that he has to quote sneak
in naps on planes because Trump is still awake on trips.
I thought, wow, that is more than just a joke.
It reveals a lot about the pace inside the administration
and the way the president operates because the left wants

(01:21:35):
us to keep you know, acting like well, you guys
thought that mister Biden was not doing real well.

Speaker 9 (01:21:41):
I heard whoopee Goldberg said it's time for the twenty fifth. Yeah,
I heard her. So, you know, as the ann said,
Trump is falling asleep all over the place and he's
lost his mind. And I mean there was silent for
four years under Biden. They saw nothing and spoken nothing
and wouldn't let anybody else even ask her question. Yeah,
but now I mean Donald Trump sleeps away, but maybe
four hours a night like officially. Yeah, I mean, what's this?

(01:22:04):
I think Bassett said it the other day, he said,
what do you mean slow down? Because he only called
me once at two thirty in the morning instead of
three times he normally calls me in the middle of
the night. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I have no. Look,
I think Trump is an example of you know, as
you get older, the more active you are, the more
you have to use your brain. The younger you stay,
the longer you keep it preserved. How many times have

(01:22:25):
we heard the story about the person finally retires and
they're dead in six months.

Speaker 15 (01:22:29):
You'll just remind him. I'm gonna give you one person,
Paul bear Bryant. When he retired as the head coach
of Alabama, he was dead within three months.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I mean he basically lost. I mean, he left the.

Speaker 15 (01:22:40):
Job that he loved, that he that he made himself,
and it's almost like three months later he's dead.

Speaker 9 (01:22:46):
Yeah, I still see. Look, you know, if you sleep
four hours a day, and I'm that person too, I don't.
I don't sleep seven eight hours. I think the last
time I slept that long, I was under anesthesia. I'm
a three four nights, you know, three four hours in night.
I got to sleep about three in the morning. No
matter what time I go to sleep, I'm up at
six thirty to seven. And some people are just we're

(01:23:08):
just built that way. And I don't think we gotta
worry about Trump yet.

Speaker 15 (01:23:11):
You know, to me, with Trump, I worry less about
the mental status because so far you've seen no evidence
of the mental status. I mean, this is a guy
who holds press conferences for hours.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I mean, colleague, I mean the guy. You know. The
problem with Trump? Sometimes he doesn't shut up.

Speaker 9 (01:23:31):
Many would agree with that, Tom, Many agree with that.

Speaker 15 (01:23:34):
Yeah, And I just think that if I had to
worry about Trump, it's going to be one day the
heart's going to say, damn.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
It, I'm done too many big macs.

Speaker 15 (01:23:44):
I mean, for this way, most normal human beings cannot
keep the kind of schedule he keeps in the job
that is as intense as the presidency of the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Yeah, that's a real good point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I think comment paints a picture of a leader who
runs at full throttle and with his policies or not.
Trump is known for keeping an extremely demanding schedule, and
long flights aren't downtime. There are working sessions and so
staff reviewing, briefings, making calls, and preparing for whatever comes next.
And so Rubio's humor underscores that reality. If you're traveling

(01:24:17):
with Trump, you're not relaxing, you're keeping up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
He doesn't call a lid at two thirty or eleven thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
You know, and he calls the lid at three in
the morning.

Speaker 9 (01:24:28):
And yeah, have they ever actually called the lid at
this White House? I mean, you know what I'm saying.
He's still tweeting at two in the morning. Yeah, yeah, did.

Speaker 15 (01:24:38):
You see Rubio have now?

Speaker 9 (01:24:42):
Oh my goodness right, he's probably the most employed man
in the country.

Speaker 15 (01:24:45):
Yeah yeah, what's the old line from Babylon be a
million jobsman created all of them by Rubio?

Speaker 9 (01:24:51):
Yeah, exactly.

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Gentlemen, We've got lots to talk about, but I thought
maybe we could start off with what's going on in Minnesota,
because Minnesota has become a major flashpoint in the national
debate of immigration and the enforcement of immigration and public safety,
and after several high profile incidents involving federal immigration agents,
including fatal shootings that sparked widespread protests and in fact

(01:28:37):
not just protest violence, President Trump has deployed borders are
Tom Holman to take direct control of ICE operations in
the state, and so Homan will be the coordinator of
those things with state officials. He'll oversee enforcement, and he'll
report directly to the president. I think this move reflects
several realities. One is the administration is concerned about the

(01:29:00):
escalating unrest and it wants a seasoned, tough minded leader
on the ground. And I think Tom Holman certainly qualifies
as that he has decades of experience in handling immigration
crisises even before Donald Trump became president. He actually served
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(01:29:20):
wasn't considered a bad idea to deport people, but now
it is because that's just the reality of the left,
very inconsistent, and they just play politics. So I want
to ask you guys what you think about what's going
on here. I think some good news two courses is
Minnesota's law enforcement people have said that they're going to
support ICE's presence, of course their governor and mayor and

(01:29:42):
others or not. But apparently the police are saying, sorry,
we're going to follow the law, not going to play
politics with the law.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
So what do you guys think.

Speaker 15 (01:29:50):
Well, I think this was a case of taking a
step back to take two steps forward. Namely, Holman is
first of one, I think it's funny in the sense
that I don't remember Homan being considered a good guy
a year ago.

Speaker 9 (01:30:03):
I don't think Warman fuzzy when I think Tom Holman.

Speaker 15 (01:30:06):
Warm, fuzzy, But all of a suddenly he's like the
good cop that comes in, and I think there's a
no nonsense asct.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
First of all, he's got Trump's support. That's number one.

Speaker 15 (01:30:17):
He reports directly to Trump. And I think this is
one of those steps back to take too so forward.
I think this is Trump when I said, Okay, we're
de escalate, but we're not going to give up our goals.
And I think the real question is he's giving both
the governor and the mayor of ramp off while at
the same time getting the job done. Namely, you let

(01:30:38):
us finish the job, we're out of here. But the longer,
you know, and I think the point of times Homan's
going to make is once we do our thing, we're
out of here. The longer you delay, the longer we stay.
But the one thing that I don't think you're going
to see is Trump is not going to retreat because
if he retreats, a this gets repeated elsewhere, it goes

(01:30:59):
beyond this, and more importantly, the base is going to say,
why do we vote for you guys in the first
place if you're not going to finish the job.

Speaker 9 (01:31:07):
Yeah, you know, I did this whole IDEA. First of all, Tom,
I agree one hundred percent. The last thing that Home
and Christino Donald Trump can do is actually pull ice
out because they demanded it. It would be ludicrous and
it would be suicide because A to Tom's point, it
would be repeated in every blue city that decides, Oh,

(01:31:30):
that's if we just make enough pain and we cause
enough trouble, we can get the federal government to back off.
And then it says the president, does that mean we
can decide and pick and choose all federal law enforcement agencies?
If the FBI wants to investigate and go arrest somebody.
You can get in their face and stop them. What

(01:31:52):
if we just want to ignore IRS agents if we
cause enough trouble. I mean, I don't understand why that's tolerated.
And the fact that while Frey and others are going
out there labeling ICE with the terms they're using and
saying to do this, there's got to be some kind
of ramification for that. They've got to it's got they're

(01:32:12):
going to be prosecuted, charged. Something has to happen because
they're actually have caused this. These ICE officers are actually
doing exactly what their job is. So no, they can't
pull out till it's done. And if they had cooperated
instead of pretending that there's something called sanctuary cities and
they can pick and choose federal laws. Now they can't

(01:32:33):
stop them because the police and the sheriff's office. Well,
actually the sheriff's office is interesting because that's usually elected position,
that's not appointed. It's elected, and they answer to the people.
It's a constitutional office. It's not well, you're going to
be fired if you don't go the politic or political way.
But let's put a pin in that for a second.

(01:32:54):
The fact that they are telling the officers or the police,
and there's got to be slacker morale. I mean, I mean,
all the police officers can't be these Willie Washee, you know,
leftist sympathizers or whatever. We've heard some of these chiefs
that have come out and you know't didn't a chief

(01:33:14):
somewhere cry or something the other day and then say
something about he thought about not even releasing this information
about this horrific illegal that did these horrible crimes. Again,
it's like bizarro world, guys. I don't know. So just
one more thing on this. It's got to bother the
supporters of Tim Walls and Jacob Frye that Donald Trump

(01:33:37):
is talking about what a great conversation they had and
what a great phone call, and he doesn't even seem
like the guy I'm seeing on TV. I was I'm
wondering if the call was the way Trump described it
or not. Because if Trump, it's a great troll, right,
if he really wants to get at these guys, he
does exactly that. He goes out there on national TV

(01:33:58):
and say, great conversation, these guys were so cooperative and understanding.
That's going to drive their base crazy because it appears
that they cooperated with Trump or conceded to Trump in
some way. So maybe they didn't. Maybe it was a
very tomusuleous type of phone call. But Trump says, hey,
it was a great call. They were wonderful. I don't know,

(01:34:19):
but we did see to Tom's point, right, all of
a sudden, the police are like with the hotel, you know,
they really and again, who's getting arrested in paying for
the vandalism done to the hotel where they thought Ice
was staying a Bavana That was.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
Not necessarily the local police. That was the state police.

Speaker 9 (01:34:37):
All right, good, Well, the state police came in. Maybe
that's because of the conversation with Tim Waltz. I don't know, right,
we don't know for sure. I assume that that signals
to the left that there's some understanding and cooperation to
support Ice that isn't going to be good. I mean,
I mean, Tim Waaltz comes out looking like he caved,
and I don't know, see, I don't even know if

(01:34:58):
I'm going to go so far as to say he caved,
other then I think he it got through to him
that the right thing to do is let the police
all do their appropriate jobs. And follow through on their
their sworn duties. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
One of the things that I think is interesting about
all of this is that their people acting is if
Christy Nome is going to be out the door, and
there's certainly some support for that, but I just don't
really get it, because the question whether the Homeland Security
Secretary Christy Noman is going to be kicked out the door,
I think has become a serious political conversation because there's
at least a few people on the Republican side who

(01:35:36):
acted as if she's got to go, and I'm thinking
to myself, really, I don't know, it doesn't make much
sense to me, because.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
I'm gonna look at is this.

Speaker 15 (01:35:44):
She's not going to go for some one reason. If
you start, you let her go, nobody's gonna get it peace.
And then you're gonna have to replace her with somebody,
And I guarantee you're gonna have some weak minded Tom.
I'll give you the name Tom Tillis tell us Lisa
in the Fight for Life, Lisa Barras who's always you know,
she's the Queen Princess of Alaska. So I'm just going

(01:36:05):
to say it very clearly. Then you're not gonna you're
not gonna be able to get somebody to replace. She'll stay,
She'll just take a less high profile. And when it
comes to the immigration issue, Uh, this is going to
be on Tom Holmand.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Because he's Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:36:21):
I mean, the bottom line is, she did what she
was supposed to do and when it's all of a
sudden done.

Speaker 9 (01:36:27):
You know, she actually took the dog outs behind the
barn and did what she had to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Yeah, and now, I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:36:34):
The rumor was that she and Tom Holman didn't get along,
but I'm thinking, you know, somebody recently said she basically
was repeating the talking points she was given. And as
far as i'm sir, Tom Tellis can go pound go
pound sand like mrsk and all these other people.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
These Republicans, you know, this is not a time to
be weak.

Speaker 15 (01:36:54):
This is the time to basically say we're going to
finish the job because if they don't, don't even bother
about twenty twenty six.

Speaker 9 (01:37:03):
Yeah, look, he doesn't have the bodies to continue this up.
I mean they've got to and let's not forget we
have three hundred you know, give or take other cities, right,
but none of this is happening. It's happening in this city,
and it's trickling in some other blue cities. So that
means the cities that are don't have this delusion of

(01:37:25):
being a sanctuary city because it doesn't exist, and who
are cooperating. That means that Ice is going into the
jails and peacefully taking custody because there's a hold order,
or going to the courthouses and doing the same thing.
And that means Ice isn't going in to the street.
And you know where they got to go. They've they've
got to go into neighborhoods, and they've got to go

(01:37:46):
to home depot, and they've got to go to construction
sites because they have dossi airs on these people, right,
they know who they are. They can track movements through
cell phones and bank accounts and wires and all this
other stuff, so they know where to go find them.
And it's them who has made Ice have to go
out into the neighborhoods. And then it's them meaning Waltz
and Fry and so forth that has riled this up

(01:38:09):
with the rhetoric that they do. So if you just
let Ice get the worst of the worst, and for
that matter, to the argument about well, but they're getting
these illegals keyword, who did no other crime other than
enter the country illegally. They're keeping their nose clean, you know,
they're working under the table obviously, you know. But they're

(01:38:31):
not rapists, and they're not assaulting, and they're not gang members.
I get all that. But if they're in the area
when ICE is there and they got to be taken,
they can't ignore that. That's the situation that they've caused
ICE to be in. That's why seventy percent of the
people who have been picked up have crimes either convicted
or serious charges. Thirty or the thirty percent that haven't

(01:38:54):
committed these horrific crimes, they're just there and they get
sweeped up in the situation. And that's that. So yeah,
and we're still at what fifty seven sixty percent of
all the polls say people still think every illegal should
be deported, regardless of whether they committed a crime after
they entered the country or not. So the country as

(01:39:16):
a whole still supports this concept and idea. But if
they just cooperated and ICE was able to get look
at the number of people and the crimes that they've
committed and they've been either convicted or they're standing charges
against Right now, these are your neighbors. But I see
the interviews guys when they say, well, do you think
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(01:39:37):
they should be we'll make up your mind.

Speaker 10 (01:39:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
The next topic is the signal conversations, which reveal cooperation
between state officials and the rioters. And I think that's
very revealing because you kind of all knew that that's
what Tim Walls was up to. And I guess the
question is is how crazy do you have to be
and how how anti public safety? I guess also you

(01:40:02):
have to be to be supportive of protecting violent criminals
who have raped children and killed people from being arrested
and deported, or for that matter, of just arresting and
deporting people who came here illegally, and then you're actually like.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Oh, they need due process.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
It's kind of like if you entered here without due process,
why do you have to leave with due process?

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
So what do you think about the signal thing? What's
that proving?

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
I'm not saying, here's the thing to me that comes
into play. It's very simple.

Speaker 15 (01:40:27):
It details the fact that this is a well organized effort.
I'm not going to use the word insane. I'm going
to use the word their goal is to eliminate immigration
laws by any means possible. They're totally organized, they're totally
got inside information where ICE agents are doing things or
where they're going. And you got the cooperation. I mean, look,

(01:40:50):
you got a lieutenant governor, an advisor to the governor,
at least one legislator involved. You have to be asking
yourself the question is can these people be held accountable
for violating or encouraging people to.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Violate federal law.

Speaker 15 (01:41:06):
This is not about freedom of speech here. When you're
basically actively planning to violate federal laws that put people
at risk, I'm used to it people at risk.

Speaker 9 (01:41:18):
Yeah. Can I back up to a second to the
due process here? The George made reference too, because again,
this is you've got people who they're usually low information voters,
and they're basically low information people, and they hear this
catchy term due process and they think of constitutional rights
and courts and appeals, due process for an illegal alien

(01:41:41):
if they're stopped at the border, they're turned around to
the border and they're not permitted to come in. So
if you come in illegally, due process is the immigration
court has given a removal order. That's all the due process.
That is the due process. So due process for an
illegal alien isn't Oh you're going to be indicted and
then arrested and charged and you go to court and
you pay. That's for existences. Who commits a crime? Say again, and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
You can appeal to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 (01:42:06):
Yeah, exactly. So there has been due process for most
of these people because there is a removal order or
they're in a situation where the due process is we
just got to find you. And so that's that and
then the other thing to your point, Tom Cash, Brittello
has been saying, hey, we've been we've had really good
success in figuring out who is behind all this. We've

(01:42:29):
followed the money. We've said it on this show. I know,
I've said it on this show. I've said it on
my show. Use the racketeering laws, right, use the conspiracy laws.
Do this they're committing crimes. Is this is these peaceful protests,
This is criminal activity on a cross state line. So
you've got wire or fried, you got all kinds of
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(01:42:50):
of chargers and use the same tactics we've used for
organized crime figures, domestic terrorists and things of that nature.
So if you follow the money and you know who's
funding all this, go get them do this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Because that makes them people who are helping to commit
the crimes. In others, they become essentially partners in the
criminal activity. You know, who's more guilty the assassin that
someone doesn't go in the bank but stands up across
the street and is watching for, say the police, is
a watch out guy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Yeah, guilty of bank robbery too.

Speaker 9 (01:43:22):
Yeah, but the same with you, right, who's more guilty
the assassin who pulled the trigger? Are they the tool
or the assass or the person or the person who
hired the assassin. They're both guilty of the same crime.
So whoever is directing these people and paying for it
is just as guilty as if they're in the street
getting in the way of the officer, or throwing a
bottle or spiting off their finger or spitting in their

(01:43:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
You know, we're trying to hit them with the car.

Speaker 9 (01:43:46):
Yeah, put him down with the car.

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Freedom Weekly report. In the interview, we talked about how
all the good things are going up, all the bad
things are going down. One thing we didn't touch on

(01:48:49):
that we might in this a few minutes we have
left is housing. You know, there have been roughly two
million illegals that have left this country, either through deportation
or a self deportation. That frees up, oh, I would
say about five hundred thousand households. What do you think
that's going to do to the price of housing, to

(01:49:11):
the price of renting a house, the price of owning house.
What's your thoughts on that, George.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Well, I think it's going to help fix things because
supply and demand. There's several things that affects supply and demand.
One of them, of course, is the fact that we
had a roughly twenty million illegals pour into our country
and so all of a sudden, housing rentals and other
things became very, very limited. But on top of that,

(01:49:36):
you have these kind of stupid liberal policies. You see them,
for example in California where building a house is hard
because they won't give you the ability to build it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
They'll basically slow you down.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
They'll tell you you can't do it, They'll raise the costs.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Typical example, George, the houses in the Pacific Palisades that
were burnt down. I think there have only been six rebuilt,
six rebuil you know, like a year and a.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Half, right, six, Yeah, and then and it's I'm not
even sure all six it has been finished. They may
have started because they've gotten that building permit. But the
point is very few people can get a building permit.
The building permits are being withheld. And so when government
basically makes it so that there are all kinds of
restrictions on building more. And imagine, for example, if we

(01:50:22):
needed more food and then government created restrictions to limit
the amount of food, it sounds to me like, okay,
that that sounds like Venezuela, where people are starving to
death and people are living out of dumpsters and trash cans,
and so this is kind of what's happened. And I
think we have to get past that. And I think
Donald Trump is definitely putting pressure on places like California

(01:50:44):
to get off the break and let the gas pedal
be pushed to help create a supply and demand favorable thing.
I imagine, for example, if there was only one pizza
shop in all of America. I bet you pizzas might
cost five hundred dollars each. But when you've got tons
of them, that supply and demand thing make sure there's competition,

(01:51:05):
and it makes sure that you can get the kinds
of pieces you like at a price you can afford.
And so we need the same thing with housing and
some of its interest rates, because that's the FED is
done a bad job. And some of that is local
and state regulations, and of course some of that is
the open border policy that dis did for a full
four years.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
During the Biden administration.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
And so I think that you see Donald Trump working
on all of those, and as he works on all
of those, I think you're going to see some improvement
over time, and that will help. And that's a great
thing because part of the American dream is being able
to own a home. You don't have to be a
billionaire to enjoy the American dream, but normally you had
to have a decent job that'll let you buy a

(01:51:47):
home and afford to meet your basic needs. You may
not have been able to buy expensive vacation homes or
super expensive vehicles. Maybe you just had to buy a
reasonably priced one. But the point is you had a
good life and we need to get back to that.
And I think it's very clear that's what Donald Trump's
working on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Hay, George mentioned automobiles. I gotta say, I think one
of the great things that Donald Trump has done recently
is he has put a squash through a lot of
THESEZPA regulations that have driven the price of new cars
up astronomically. You know, George, Mary got a new car
last year. It's the first time in nine years she

(01:52:28):
got a new car. And one of the stupid features
on this car that was put there by the Barack
Obama is you pull up to a red light, your
car shuts off, just shuts off, and of course when
you go to go, your car has to restart. You
get to the next red light, the car shuts off again.

(01:52:51):
You can pull up to a two up to train
tracks and the gates come down and trains the car
shuts off again. Thank god, Donald Trump said, no more
of that garbage. That's off, you know, that's off new cars.
What Donald Trump is doing by canceling a lot of
these Obama ere era regulations is going to save people

(01:53:15):
that are buying a new car about three thousand dollars
a year and that's real money. So, George, I just
wanted to thank Barack Obama for that. I mean, that
is one of the most stupid, stupid pieces of useless,
if equipment ever put on a car. And George, this
stupid little piece of equipment is going to kill starters,

(01:53:38):
going to kill batteries, going to kill engines before their time.
And you know what, it was estimated how much gas
it would save by cutting your car off when you're
stopping about a quarter a quarter of a mile per tank.
I don't know how much that little stupid, that individual,

(01:54:01):
little stupid piece of equipment cost, but it probably added
on a hundred one thousand dollars to a price to
the car. Again, thank you Donald Trump for getting rid
of that. Hey, George, before we go your book, tell
the folks about your book.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
You know, as America approaches its two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary this year, and with the celebration of our nation's
founding and the enduring truths that were declared in seventeen
seventy six, now is the perfect time to revisit what
made America an exceptional and how we can preserve that
exceptional nature of our country. And so my book, Let
Freedom Ring Again, talks about that very principle and asked

(01:54:41):
the question, of course in the subtitle here can self
evident truth save America from for the decline? And the
answer is yes, and that this book offers a compelling
exploration of our founding principles, the wisdom of our constitution,
and the self evident truths that fueled our nation's rise
to greatness. Hopefully this is a book that will help
people understand how constitutional government works and what it means

(01:55:05):
to have freedom and opportunity. And I'm kind of proud
of the fact that some people have said some nice
things about example, Senator Ran Paul said, let Freedom Ring
Again challenges us to renew our commitment to the ideals
of our founding fathers and actively pursue the freedoms that
make America a beacon of hope and opportunity. And so
that was nice because I really appreciate that. That was

(01:55:28):
my goal when I wrote the book was to do
exactly what he described.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
And where can people get it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Well, you can go just about anywhere you buy a book,
so you know, go online to Amazon or Barnes and Noble.
It's published by the Posthill Press. You can go to
their website. You can also go to f F dot org.
One of the top things that near the top of
the page is you'll see that picture of the book
and it gives you all the different sites you can
go to to buy the book. You know, with the link,

(01:55:54):
you just click on it and you can go to there.
So f F dot org might be the easiest way
to remember to thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
For sitting in today as my co host. As usual,
fans of the au N TV network. We'll see a
little later on in the weekend Frontiers of Freedom Weekly Report,
But for right now, we are out of time. That
means that we got to run and we gotta go.
Take care Godless. We'll see you tomorrow. That's going to
be on TV and on radio.

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