March 16, 2026 • 30 mins
The 1798 Irish Rebellion was a watershed moment of bloody conflict, inspired by the revolutions in America and France. But behind the scenes, its organizational DNA came from a surprising source: a Masonic Lodge. Worshipful Brother David de Hosson, a first-generation Irish-American, joins us to uncover the hidden history of how the United Irish Society—the engine of the rebellion—was founded almost entirely by Freemasons. Learn how they used the fraternity's structure, secrecy, and networks to spread radical ideas of liberty and equality across Ireland.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm your host, Wright worship Brother Michael Arse. Oh. We're
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is a past master and this thing called a trestle
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board and a calendar. They do come together as powerful
working tools. He is the current sitting master of my
lodge here in the nation's capital, Saint John's Lodge, Number
eleven in Washington, DC, and we'll be talking the seventeen
ninety eight Irish Rebellion. You're familiar with the American Revolution
and how that just kind of touched off the spirits
(02:00):
of independence throughout Europe. We get more with our guests
this week, Worshipful Brother David Dehausson, a first generation Irish American,
Welcome back to the Craftsman on my podcast, My brother.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, thank you very much, right, worshipful. As always, this
is an exciting opportunity. I always love chatting with you.
I know this is our third podcast. It is an
honor and a privilege to do this, so thank you
once again.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Absolutely, yeah, and before we hop into Doc Brown's time machine,
because we are going to literally be going everywhere all
the way back to seventeen ninety eight, but we're also
going to go back to December during your installation, yep,
because it ties into as you talked about, like the pride,
the passion and the patriotism that exists in your family
coming over to Ireland. I do want to talk a
little bit about your military experience as well and where
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you know that has taken you throughout the world. But
I wanted to touch first on one of the special gifts.
And we always talk about how Saint John's is a
family launch because literally, if you go back to the
lineage of our lodge, we had brothers and family members,
you know, fathers and sons that were serving as masters
at some time and then most recently, our current lodge
secretary a workship for brother Anna Trevetti is your brother
(03:10):
in law and presented you with a very special gift
as master that brought a tear to your eye that evening.
Can you tell us a little bit about that unique gift.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So my mom is American and my dad was Irish,
and you know, I'm American because of my mom, so
my brother and I were we were born in Cork,
you know, came over when we were little kids, and
being Irish is just it was continually instilled in us
(03:39):
as kids and something to be proud of. I was probably,
you know, an early teen when I was last asked,
you know, about having an Irish accent. So by by
like thirteen, I really kind of completely lost it. But
you know, it's something we would always go back and
visit family. So my grandfather was a Mason under the
(04:04):
I guess Provincial Grand Lodge of Munster, the Grand Lodge
of Ireland, and my dad just decided not to become
a mason, but you know, always hearing stories about my grandfather,
his experience, especially when he passed, and some of the
brothers of his lodge looking out for for my grandmother
(04:26):
a widow and her son. You know, just uh, it
made an impact on me and being Irish is something
I'm proud of.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I wore a h a saffron kilt. Then at my installation.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The hat is the cobbine, the little cape, just a
traditional hat that has a history going back centuries. So
so yeah, I you know, and I only wish my
dad could have been there. Uh, but you know it
was just something you know, I wanted to make a
point of, you know, showing off by irishness, you know,
in you know, during my installation as master were full
(05:03):
brother Trevetti and my sister in law connected with the
Grand Lodge in Dublin and they were able to dig
up the records about my grandfather when he was raised
and just all the documentation and proof of him being
a Mason, and they framed it all a whole bunch
of documents, and yeah, it was it was very powerful
(05:25):
to actually see that because that was something, as we
would say, I put on the long finger that I
always wanted to look into, but you know, just never
kicked off the process, I guess between our Grand secretary
and that Grand secretary. But just to have that you know,
connection to my grandfather, his masonry and just seeing him being.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Referenced as a Master Mason, it was very moving. For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I thought it was the coolest thing ever because we
just thought they were going over there to drink beer
and watch a Steelers football in Ireland. And yeah, I
totally the look on your face when you saw your
grandfather's handwriting on the line of the ledger of the
lodge that he signed as a Mason. And now you know,
being young and hearing these stories, but now having gone
(06:11):
through that yourself as a master Mason, and then you know,
hopefully as a worshipful Master of the Lodge bringing in
a new brother this year to our lodge, you'll see
how this, this tradition and the fraternity will continue.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean it, this is something.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, we're more than just a social club, and
you know, there is this mystical body that we're we're
all connected to and you know, this is something that
goes back, you know, hundreds of years and we're you know,
So for me there was that personal connection, but also
the connection to the wider Masonic community, you know, our
brethren in Ireland, in England, beyond so the the internationalness
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of it, if you will. So for me that there's
that personal connection, but also it's like, you know, that
connection beyond our Grand Lodge, beyond our lodge. So yeah,
very just amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So I've often joked on the podcast that you have
to be a little bit of a history nerd to
really enjoy the Masonic experience. So get ready to nerd
out with us, because that's what this episode is going
to be all about. The history. We've examined freemasonry kind
of as a fraternity at a very high level, at
least here in America, as it was perceived back in
the beginning. The founding of our country was kind of
(07:27):
a you know, a fraternity, an organization for elites, you know,
the higher end of society would be a part of it.
What was freemasonry like in Ireland during this important time?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Masonry in Ireland, So there is the Grand Lodge, we
all know, the Grand Lodge of Ireland. It's established in
seventeen twenty five, at least that's what we're led to believe.
What actually happens is Richard Parson, the first Earl of
Ross He's he's installed as the first well or he's
(07:57):
installed as a Grand Master in seventeen twenty five. Now
that is taken to be the start of the Grand Lodge,
but it actually there's no documentation that says that the
Grand Lodge is established seventeen twenty five. It's just taken
as such because there's no surviving documents beforehand.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What we do know is that.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Parson is installed because supposedly his family had a deep
connection to freemasonry, so that's why he's installed as a
grand Master. But we're actually probably looking back at freemasonry,
you know, well even in its speculative form, pre dating
(08:41):
seventeen twenty five by by many, many years.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And we know that from what was going on in
Northern Ireland.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But after seventeen twenty five, there's just this huge explosion
in really a burst or several bursts of and expansions
of lodges across the country really kind of coming down
from Ulster taking root in.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Cork and Dublin.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
So there's these bursts in the seventeen forties, the seventeen fifties,
especially in the seventeen eighties, there's a movement, the volunteer movement.
Part of that is supporting the Parliament in Dublin, pushing
for further reforms, greater parliamentary independence, trade reforms, those are
(09:31):
attained in the.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
In the seventeen eighties.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But this volunteer movement, it's basically militias that were formed
during the American Revolution as defense in case there's a
French invasion, and each of these militia units, these volunteer
units has its own lodge, kind of like what we
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see with the British Army. You know these traveling logs,
British Army units that would have a traveling lodge with them,
typically under the Irish Constitution. So it's again that thirty
eighth Regiment of Foot in New York, that British Army
unit under the Irish Constitution that actually initiates our brother
(10:18):
worshipe brother Prince Hall. But so there's this huge, huge
expansion in Ireland. So these volunteer unit militia I'm sorry lodges.
Then in the seventeen nineties there's a further expansion. Part
of it is the kind of political the political dynamic
(10:39):
in the country at the time. But by the early
seventeen nineties, you know there's ninety four lodges in Antrim alone,
forty six and down, but many hundreds across the country.
The interesting thing though, is that it really includes so
(10:59):
many Press Brian's Church of Ireland Protestants, but Catholics so
are Presbyterian Brothers form the majority of lodges in Northern Ireland,
but across the south in Cork and Dublin, especially Catholics.
Roman Catholics provide many, many, many lodge brothers into the community,
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so a good I don't have the exact percentage, but
it's typically understood to be fairly significant across lodges in
the South and the East. So it's masonry in the
seventeen hundreds is you know, multi denominational, you know, cross sectarian,
and it really kind of it informs some of the
(11:44):
political energy. You know, we'll be talking about that, but
it really kind of shows, you know, ultimately, it's it's
that brotherhood of man under the fatherhood of God. Just
all these different faiths or really Christian denominations within the
same community kind of interacting. And it's probably one of
the few spaces where men of these various fates, of
(12:08):
these various churches, so Presbyterians who are sometimes during this
time referred to as dissenters, Church of Ireland, Protestants and Catholics,
they're engaging together in dialogue and communion, you know, community together.
And it's not happening really anywhere else in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But freemasonry as I'm hearing you talk about this and
the build up of lodges and men who are seeking
masonry and becoming freemasonry and Freemasons and Freemasonry, spreading and
sharing and integrating into all of these parts of society,
the military, of the government, just the common person. Right,
And I'm sitting here going what was going on in
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the world. There was something major that was going on
in the seventeen hundreds. There was this big movement of
independence and freedom and kind of the break above the
colonial system, in the imperial system that we're kind.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of used to.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now, what was it like specifically that kind of led
up to this seventeen ninety eight rebellion that was happening
in Ireland. Like, what was that and what was the
outcome of this?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's really the age of Enlightenment, And now the main
group behind the rebellion, it's the Society of United Irishmen,
the United Irish Society aka the United Irishmen. They're sometimes
referred to as the children of the Enlightenment, but so
were Freemasons. So it's all these ideas of liberty, freedom, republicanism,
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small r republicanism, but you know, seizing or at least
having a seat at the political table and having a
say in policy in you know, the social and political cultural.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Affairs of what's going on around you. So you have
in Belfast.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So Belfast at this time in the seventeen hundreds, it's
not the industrial city, the shipbuilding center of the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's the home of the linen industry.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And that's set up by French Huguenots Presbyterians coming in
from Scotland in the sixteen hundreds, and of course they're
bringing speculative freemasonry with them. But Belfast at this time
it's unlike the capital now. Dublin is a true European
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cosmopolitan capital at this point. But I would say Belfast
is the heart of the intellectual the intellectual movements of
the time, especially radical, you know, liberal, but what would
be called radical thought. And you have the great works
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of the Enlightenment, Voltaire, Diderot, Rousseau, all of whom are Freemasons,
funny enough, all coming in and circulating around bookshops in
in Belfast. And I would say that the population in Belfast,
and it's really because of that, that Scotch Irish population,
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it's hyper literate, well read, connected to the affairs going
around around the world, so that they're reading the latest news,
what's available on the American Revolution, the French Revolution, you know,
the rights of man that you know, bringing it into
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absolute monarchy in as as it took root in France.
But fighting for independence and freedom, fighting for for individual liberties,
all of this is kind of informing political discussions in
in Belfast especially, and it's it's influencing freemasons.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Ben Franklin is hosted in Belfast.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He's also hosted in Dublin in the early seventeen hundreds,
but it's when he's when he visits Belfast, he's welcomed.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And now this is actually.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Before the American Revolution kicks off, but he already has
that reputation preceding him, so he is welcomed with open
arms as someone who's also concerned about liberty and the
rights of man. So and of course also a Freemason,
and part of it is like so freemasonry really it's
(16:35):
you know, kind of operating alongside of debating circles and
political salons and social clubs. So it really, you know,
with these many hundreds of lodges that took root across
the country, it really becomes just a part of society.
So many men again all faiths, are you know, joining
(16:57):
lodges because it's also that kind of mutual benefit and
relief society. But it's you know, bringing community, and there
are community activities associated with lodges, so it's just kind
of part of the social fabric eventually. So you know,
I'll say that a lot of Freemasons played a really
(17:19):
kind of key formative role in what happens in seventeen
ninety eight. Part of it is because they just you know,
these are men who are Freemasons, because masonry was just
part of Irish society, you know, especially urban society.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And you know, there are irregular lodges too.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's believed that one of these other groups, it's an
agrarian kind of self defense group, the Defenders, it's believed
that they may likely have been an irregular lodge.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think our Revolutionary War, as we celebrate America to
fifty this year, it's a very timely conversation. I think
it was what seventeen ninety three was just seventeen eighty three, sorry,
is when our Revolutionary War ended. But then we went
through this whole struggle of trying to stand up a
federal government and get a constitution with Bill of Rights
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and all of these things passed, and I mean that
took another ten years after that, but as you kind
of had mentioned, I don't want to say the fallout,
but the bloom of independence and liberty had definitely shot off.
And I remember reading about one of my favorite stories,
Thattius Coscusco. There we go. It just rolls right off
your tongue, that guy, you know, Thadius Coscusco, Missing Mace.
(19:00):
He never became a Freemason, but he was best friend
to George Washington, and you know Thomas Jefferson before his passing,
and just you know, this amazing guy. And yet you know,
his action involved with the American Revolution spread and he
went back to Poland and you know it did what
he did. And so I'm sure like all of the
rest of the world, as you're saying, is watching what's
happening here in America again is influencing the movement of
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other parts. And then on top of that, as you said,
is like also this uniqueness of freemasonry and what is freemasonry.
It's you know, a safe place, so to speak, and
it has been for millennia for men to come together
to get enlightenment but also connect and grow as a person.
So as you kind of talked about with the and
We're familiar with the story of the Stone and the
operative Freemasons, the practical builders, and some of this was
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still happening with the Scots and you know the building
of the temples and the buildings that were happening there.
But then you also had just the different type of
Masons where you had these very passionate, strong irishman as
you're saying, who or able to bring in all of
these different religions and cultures. What is your sense of
what freemasonry was like during this unique boiling point? Like
(20:08):
what do you think they were talking about in lodges?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, no, it's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Again, these are spaces where men of all faiths, in
all classes are meeting together. I mean, all these social barriers,
societal barriers are just breaking down. But it really starts
in Belfast, you know, where you have you know, the
kind of social activism among Freemasons. You know some of them,
(20:34):
you know, work for kind of social justice efforts, but
also they're anti anti slavery. So huge, huge push among Freemasons,
especially in Belfast, you know, abolitionism and you see them
just get involved.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like America like really influenced this, and like the Revolutionary
as you're talking, I'm like, this is all like America
two fifty here, like getting all excited, and it's like
you look at like our founding fathers. There's obviously the
Masonic can that was going on there, and so you
can feel the spirit in the intent, right, But then
there's also as you kind of point out as like
the way that they organized that they structured themselves kind
(21:09):
of like a lodge where they were using like secrecy
and like a form of how we talk about things
like masonically, like networking and you know, being careful as
to who you should be sharing things with and how
you talk about things, and can you kind of touch
a little bit about that of like how we see
a little bit of it of course, like in documentation
(21:32):
and in speech, especially if you've ever had to go
take an oath of office or an oath to be
a member of a jury, there's a little bit of
Masonry that's kind of present in that moment there. But
it's different when you talk about the very conscious decision
of like, hey, we're going to try to keep some
of the way that our organization operates internally a secret
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to those outside of it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And that's the thing I was just going to mention
a quote by William Drennan, who's a medical doctor, a poet.
He's actually the first, on a quick aside, he's the
first to refer to Ireland. William Drennan as the Emerald
Dial in his poems. But he writes to Sam McTeer
just weeks after this writing by McCabe, and he says
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to McTeer, Sam macteeler, I should much desire that a
society were instituted in the city, meaning Belfast, having much
of the secrecy and somewhat of the ceremonial of freemasonry.
So these are all Freemasons talking to each other. A
benevolent conspiracy, a plot for the people. No Whig club,
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no party title, the brotherhood its name, the right of
man and the greatest happiness of the greatest numbers.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It's end.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Drennan and these men they get together, and they actually
meet in seventeen ninety one at Peggy Barclay's tavern. So
typically Masonocology would meet in pubs, taverns inns at this time,
and so they get together from McCabe, McTeer, Nielsen, and
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they meet with two other gentlemen. I mean, they're famous
in Irish history. Thomas Russell, a British soldier from Cork,
and the very famous Theobald Wolftone, a barrister Church of
Ireland man barrister from Dublin. He's wrapped up in the
Catholic Committee. He's pushing for Catholic liberties and rights. But
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they get together, all of these gentlemen with other Freemasons,
William Sinclair, William McCleary, Henry Haslitt, William ten Tenant. They're
all from Lodge two fifty seven, that same lodge I
mentioned John Campbell from Lodge six point thirty six, and
they form the Society of United Irishman. Weeks later than Drennan,
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William Drennan meets with James Nappertandy, another figure famous in
Irish history, an Archibald Archibald Hamilton Rowan. They're both Freemasons.
So Tandy is coming from Lodge number one ninety. Archibald Rowan,
he's coming from a volunteer lodge. When you know one
of those militia units I mentioned, Lodge number six twenty.
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They're all Freemasons and they form basically the Dublin Branch
along actually with other Freemasons, Matthew Dowling, John Stocktail so
and they form that in Dublin at Taylor's guild Hall,
where also the Grand Lodge of Ireland is also meeting
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at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I wouldn't say it's all coincidence.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's so like parallel to what was going on in
America just twenty years before this, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And that's the thing, you know, kind of looking at
the academic work during the Bisentennial. So you know, they
I think, very purposefully look at you know, kind of
establishing this organization and it's focused on reform the rights
of advocating for the rights of both Catholics and Presbyterians primarily,
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but it's very self consciously modeled on the lodge system.
So the United Irishmen, you know, they they do engage
with different artisan.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Guilds, political clubs. You know.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Kevin Whalen noted, you know, twenty five years ago in
his writings that they do purposely engage with Masonic lodges.
Jim Smith noted that, you know, they considered, you know,
as I mentioned, kind of Masonry as this microcosm of
the wider society that these men envisioned you know, just
(25:50):
something founded on mutual respect, you know, breaking down barriers
between as unnatural, you know, barriers, you know, dividing men.
Thomas Moore, the great poet from Trinity College, noted that,
you know, when someone would be invited to join the
United Irishman, they would be asked to join a lodge.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
So it's very.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Purposefully the lodge system. It's secretive, the men can be
counted on, and you know you have United Irishmen spreading
ideology through visitations.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I guess this is a great place for us to end,
because you end, or you conclude your launche program on
this note. You say, quote the effort to reclaim this
past end quote. And so listening to the story, is
this past that you're talking about and reclaiming it? Is
it the spirit of unity? Is it the combination of
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you know, men who are like minded who are being
bound by different part Is it the fact that they
believed in something so strong and so passionately that they
put their lives on the line for it, believing in
something bigger than themselves. And even to the fact that
they didn't accomplish, they didn't triumph, but they still found
a way to survive. And in some way keep carrying
that flag forward. What is the past that you're hoping
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to reclaim here.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It's funny because at the Bisentennial, the Grand Lodge invited
the President at the time, Mary mcley's, to visit the
Grand Lodge and they showed a lot of the artifacts
still in the possession of the Grand Lodge from seventeen
ninety eight and they, you know, were proud to show
the role of Freemasonry, you know, right in the rebellion.
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And again, like the lesson is of this, you know,
when you see injustice, speak up, when you see you know,
something wrong, whether you know, and again these Freemasons they're
speaking out against poverty, they're speaking out against slavery. And
then they see the the unjust laws in Irish society
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against Presbyterians and Catholics together, you know, kind of you know,
creating this elite, you know, by taking away the rights
of the vast majority together of the country.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
But yeah, I guess for.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Me, it's you know, reclaiming that sense of there was
a time two hundred years ago plus, you know, and
a quarter where irishmen were together, you know, you know,
in common cause, fighting for justice. It becomes this bloody conflict,
but you know, advocating, you know at the start, peacefully
(29:00):
for justice together an Ireland for all her children. But
but yeah, this is a history that wasn't always freely
taught in the North and in the South. And I
think only now are people really thanks to the Internet
and other sources, where they're really starting to see like, hey,
this is.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
What this rebellion was really about.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Unfortunately it took this path, but it started out this
way where it was a coming together of men of
all faiths, men and women.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
But you know, again we we have, we have, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And Marianne McCracken, Henry Joy McCracken's sister, was an activist
in her own right and involved with Freemasons and abolitionism.
So it really is men and women, I should say,
But you know, the focus you know here being on
the Freemasons, it really is this everyone kind of advocating
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for a better society in the country, in the Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Big thanks again to my guest this week, Worshipful Brother
David Dehasson. If you want to hear David and I
continue the conversation on Irish masonry. The seventeen ninety eight
Rebellion and just free Masonry and large. Make sure you
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
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board and a calendar. They do come together as powerful
working tools. He is the current sitting master of my
lodge here in the nation's capital, Saint John's Lodge, Number
eleven in Washington, DC, and we'll be talking the seventeen
ninety eight Irish Rebellion. You're familiar with the American Revolution
and how that just kind of touched off the spirits
(02:00):
of independence throughout Europe. We get more with our guests
this week, Worshipful Brother David Dehausson, a first generation Irish American,
Welcome back to the Craftsman on my podcast, My brother.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, thank you very much, right, worshipful. As always, this
is an exciting opportunity. I always love chatting with you.
I know this is our third podcast. It is an
honor and a privilege to do this, so thank you
once again.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Absolutely, yeah, and before we hop into Doc Brown's time machine,
because we are going to literally be going everywhere all
the way back to seventeen ninety eight, but we're also
going to go back to December during your installation, yep,
because it ties into as you talked about, like the pride,
the passion and the patriotism that exists in your family
coming over to Ireland. I do want to talk a
little bit about your military experience as well and where
(02:48):
you know that has taken you throughout the world. But
I wanted to touch first on one of the special gifts.
And we always talk about how Saint John's is a
family launch because literally, if you go back to the
lineage of our lodge, we had brothers and family members,
you know, fathers and sons that were serving as masters
at some time and then most recently, our current lodge
secretary a workship for brother Anna Trevetti is your brother
(03:10):
in law and presented you with a very special gift
as master that brought a tear to your eye that evening.
Can you tell us a little bit about that unique gift.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So my mom is American and my dad was Irish,
and you know, I'm American because of my mom, so
my brother and I were we were born in Cork,
you know, came over when we were little kids, and
being Irish is just it was continually instilled in us
(03:39):
as kids and something to be proud of. I was probably,
you know, an early teen when I was last asked,
you know, about having an Irish accent. So by by
like thirteen, I really kind of completely lost it. But
you know, it's something we would always go back and
visit family. So my grandfather was a Mason under the
(04:04):
I guess Provincial Grand Lodge of Munster, the Grand Lodge
of Ireland, and my dad just decided not to become
a mason, but you know, always hearing stories about my grandfather,
his experience, especially when he passed, and some of the
brothers of his lodge looking out for for my grandmother
(04:26):
a widow and her son. You know, just uh, it
made an impact on me and being Irish is something
I'm proud of.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I wore a h a saffron kilt. Then at my installation.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The hat is the cobbine, the little cape, just a
traditional hat that has a history going back centuries. So
so yeah, I you know, and I only wish my
dad could have been there. Uh, but you know it
was just something you know, I wanted to make a
point of, you know, showing off by irishness, you know,
in you know, during my installation as master were full
(05:03):
brother Trevetti and my sister in law connected with the
Grand Lodge in Dublin and they were able to dig
up the records about my grandfather when he was raised
and just all the documentation and proof of him being
a Mason, and they framed it all a whole bunch
of documents, and yeah, it was it was very powerful
(05:25):
to actually see that because that was something, as we
would say, I put on the long finger that I
always wanted to look into, but you know, just never
kicked off the process, I guess between our Grand secretary
and that Grand secretary. But just to have that you know,
connection to my grandfather, his masonry and just seeing him being.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Referenced as a Master Mason, it was very moving. For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I thought it was the coolest thing ever because we
just thought they were going over there to drink beer
and watch a Steelers football in Ireland. And yeah, I
totally the look on your face when you saw your
grandfather's handwriting on the line of the ledger of the
lodge that he signed as a Mason. And now you know,
being young and hearing these stories, but now having gone
(06:11):
through that yourself as a master Mason, and then you know,
hopefully as a worshipful Master of the Lodge bringing in
a new brother this year to our lodge, you'll see
how this, this tradition and the fraternity will continue.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean it, this is something.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, we're more than just a social club, and
you know, there is this mystical body that we're we're
all connected to and you know, this is something that
goes back, you know, hundreds of years and we're you know,
So for me there was that personal connection, but also
the connection to the wider Masonic community, you know, our
brethren in Ireland, in England, beyond so the the internationalness
(06:52):
of it, if you will. So for me that there's
that personal connection, but also it's like, you know, that
connection beyond our Grand Lodge, beyond our lodge. So yeah,
very just amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So I've often joked on the podcast that you have
to be a little bit of a history nerd to
really enjoy the Masonic experience. So get ready to nerd
out with us, because that's what this episode is going
to be all about. The history. We've examined freemasonry kind
of as a fraternity at a very high level, at
least here in America, as it was perceived back in
the beginning. The founding of our country was kind of
(07:27):
a you know, a fraternity, an organization for elites, you know,
the higher end of society would be a part of it.
What was freemasonry like in Ireland during this important time?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Masonry in Ireland, So there is the Grand Lodge, we
all know, the Grand Lodge of Ireland. It's established in
seventeen twenty five, at least that's what we're led to believe.
What actually happens is Richard Parson, the first Earl of
Ross He's he's installed as the first well or he's
(07:57):
installed as a Grand Master in seventeen twenty five. Now
that is taken to be the start of the Grand Lodge,
but it actually there's no documentation that says that the
Grand Lodge is established seventeen twenty five. It's just taken
as such because there's no surviving documents beforehand.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
What we do know is that.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Parson is installed because supposedly his family had a deep
connection to freemasonry, so that's why he's installed as a
grand Master. But we're actually probably looking back at freemasonry,
you know, well even in its speculative form, pre dating
(08:41):
seventeen twenty five by by many, many years.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And we know that from what was going on in
Northern Ireland.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But after seventeen twenty five, there's just this huge explosion
in really a burst or several bursts of and expansions
of lodges across the country really kind of coming down
from Ulster taking root in.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Cork and Dublin.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
So there's these bursts in the seventeen forties, the seventeen fifties,
especially in the seventeen eighties, there's a movement, the volunteer movement.
Part of that is supporting the Parliament in Dublin, pushing
for further reforms, greater parliamentary independence, trade reforms, those are
(09:31):
attained in the.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
In the seventeen eighties.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But this volunteer movement, it's basically militias that were formed
during the American Revolution as defense in case there's a
French invasion, and each of these militia units, these volunteer
units has its own lodge, kind of like what we
(09:56):
see with the British Army. You know these traveling logs,
British Army units that would have a traveling lodge with them,
typically under the Irish Constitution. So it's again that thirty
eighth Regiment of Foot in New York, that British Army
unit under the Irish Constitution that actually initiates our brother
(10:18):
worshipe brother Prince Hall. But so there's this huge, huge
expansion in Ireland. So these volunteer unit militia I'm sorry lodges.
Then in the seventeen nineties there's a further expansion. Part
of it is the kind of political the political dynamic
(10:39):
in the country at the time. But by the early
seventeen nineties, you know there's ninety four lodges in Antrim alone,
forty six and down, but many hundreds across the country.
The interesting thing though, is that it really includes so
(10:59):
many Press Brian's Church of Ireland Protestants, but Catholics so
are Presbyterian Brothers form the majority of lodges in Northern Ireland,
but across the south in Cork and Dublin, especially Catholics.
Roman Catholics provide many, many, many lodge brothers into the community,
(11:24):
so a good I don't have the exact percentage, but
it's typically understood to be fairly significant across lodges in
the South and the East. So it's masonry in the
seventeen hundreds is you know, multi denominational, you know, cross sectarian,
and it really kind of it informs some of the
(11:44):
political energy. You know, we'll be talking about that, but
it really kind of shows, you know, ultimately, it's it's
that brotherhood of man under the fatherhood of God. Just
all these different faiths or really Christian denominations within the
same community kind of interacting. And it's probably one of
the few spaces where men of these various fates, of
(12:08):
these various churches, so Presbyterians who are sometimes during this
time referred to as dissenters, Church of Ireland, Protestants and Catholics,
they're engaging together in dialogue and communion, you know, community together.
And it's not happening really anywhere else in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But freemasonry as I'm hearing you talk about this and
the build up of lodges and men who are seeking
masonry and becoming freemasonry and Freemasons and Freemasonry, spreading and
sharing and integrating into all of these parts of society,
the military, of the government, just the common person. Right,
And I'm sitting here going what was going on in
(12:49):
the world. There was something major that was going on
in the seventeen hundreds. There was this big movement of
independence and freedom and kind of the break above the
colonial system, in the imperial system that we're kind.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of used to.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now, what was it like specifically that kind of led
up to this seventeen ninety eight rebellion that was happening
in Ireland. Like, what was that and what was the
outcome of this?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's really the age of Enlightenment, And now the main
group behind the rebellion, it's the Society of United Irishmen,
the United Irish Society aka the United Irishmen. They're sometimes
referred to as the children of the Enlightenment, but so
were Freemasons. So it's all these ideas of liberty, freedom, republicanism,
(13:41):
small r republicanism, but you know, seizing or at least
having a seat at the political table and having a
say in policy in you know, the social and political cultural.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Affairs of what's going on around you. So you have
in Belfast.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So Belfast at this time in the seventeen hundreds, it's
not the industrial city, the shipbuilding center of the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
It's the home of the linen industry.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And that's set up by French Huguenots Presbyterians coming in
from Scotland in the sixteen hundreds, and of course they're
bringing speculative freemasonry with them. But Belfast at this time
it's unlike the capital now. Dublin is a true European
(14:35):
cosmopolitan capital at this point. But I would say Belfast
is the heart of the intellectual the intellectual movements of
the time, especially radical, you know, liberal, but what would
be called radical thought. And you have the great works
(14:55):
of the Enlightenment, Voltaire, Diderot, Rousseau, all of whom are Freemasons,
funny enough, all coming in and circulating around bookshops in
in Belfast. And I would say that the population in Belfast,
and it's really because of that, that Scotch Irish population,
(15:17):
it's hyper literate, well read, connected to the affairs going
around around the world, so that they're reading the latest news,
what's available on the American Revolution, the French Revolution, you know,
the rights of man that you know, bringing it into
(15:37):
absolute monarchy in as as it took root in France.
But fighting for independence and freedom, fighting for for individual liberties,
all of this is kind of informing political discussions in
in Belfast especially, and it's it's influencing freemasons.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Ben Franklin is hosted in Belfast.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He's also hosted in Dublin in the early seventeen hundreds,
but it's when he's when he visits Belfast, he's welcomed.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And now this is actually.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Before the American Revolution kicks off, but he already has
that reputation preceding him, so he is welcomed with open
arms as someone who's also concerned about liberty and the
rights of man. So and of course also a Freemason,
and part of it is like so freemasonry really it's
(16:35):
you know, kind of operating alongside of debating circles and
political salons and social clubs. So it really, you know,
with these many hundreds of lodges that took root across
the country, it really becomes just a part of society.
So many men again all faiths, are you know, joining
(16:57):
lodges because it's also that kind of mutual benefit and
relief society. But it's you know, bringing community, and there
are community activities associated with lodges, so it's just kind
of part of the social fabric eventually. So you know,
I'll say that a lot of Freemasons played a really
(17:19):
kind of key formative role in what happens in seventeen
ninety eight. Part of it is because they just you know,
these are men who are Freemasons, because masonry was just
part of Irish society, you know, especially urban society.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And you know, there are irregular lodges too.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
It's believed that one of these other groups, it's an
agrarian kind of self defense group, the Defenders, it's believed
that they may likely have been an irregular lodge.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think our Revolutionary War, as we celebrate America to
fifty this year, it's a very timely conversation. I think
it was what seventeen ninety three was just seventeen eighty three, sorry,
is when our Revolutionary War ended. But then we went
through this whole struggle of trying to stand up a
federal government and get a constitution with Bill of Rights
(18:36):
and all of these things passed, and I mean that
took another ten years after that, but as you kind
of had mentioned, I don't want to say the fallout,
but the bloom of independence and liberty had definitely shot off.
And I remember reading about one of my favorite stories,
Thattius Coscusco. There we go. It just rolls right off
your tongue, that guy, you know, Thadius Coscusco, Missing Mace.
(19:00):
He never became a Freemason, but he was best friend
to George Washington, and you know Thomas Jefferson before his passing,
and just you know, this amazing guy. And yet you know,
his action involved with the American Revolution spread and he
went back to Poland and you know it did what
he did. And so I'm sure like all of the
rest of the world, as you're saying, is watching what's
happening here in America again is influencing the movement of
(19:23):
other parts. And then on top of that, as you said,
is like also this uniqueness of freemasonry and what is freemasonry.
It's you know, a safe place, so to speak, and
it has been for millennia for men to come together
to get enlightenment but also connect and grow as a person.
So as you kind of talked about with the and
We're familiar with the story of the Stone and the
operative Freemasons, the practical builders, and some of this was
(19:45):
still happening with the Scots and you know the building
of the temples and the buildings that were happening there.
But then you also had just the different type of
Masons where you had these very passionate, strong irishman as
you're saying, who or able to bring in all of
these different religions and cultures. What is your sense of
what freemasonry was like during this unique boiling point? Like
(20:08):
what do you think they were talking about in lodges?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, no, it's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Again, these are spaces where men of all faiths, in
all classes are meeting together. I mean, all these social barriers,
societal barriers are just breaking down. But it really starts
in Belfast, you know, where you have you know, the
kind of social activism among Freemasons. You know some of them,
(20:34):
you know, work for kind of social justice efforts, but
also they're anti anti slavery. So huge, huge push among Freemasons,
especially in Belfast, you know, abolitionism and you see them
just get involved.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like America like really influenced this, and like the Revolutionary
as you're talking, I'm like, this is all like America
two fifty here, like getting all excited, and it's like
you look at like our founding fathers. There's obviously the
Masonic can that was going on there, and so you
can feel the spirit in the intent, right, But then
there's also as you kind of point out as like
the way that they organized that they structured themselves kind
(21:09):
of like a lodge where they were using like secrecy
and like a form of how we talk about things
like masonically, like networking and you know, being careful as
to who you should be sharing things with and how
you talk about things, and can you kind of touch
a little bit about that of like how we see
a little bit of it of course, like in documentation
(21:32):
and in speech, especially if you've ever had to go
take an oath of office or an oath to be
a member of a jury, there's a little bit of
Masonry that's kind of present in that moment there. But
it's different when you talk about the very conscious decision
of like, hey, we're going to try to keep some
of the way that our organization operates internally a secret
(21:52):
to those outside of it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And that's the thing I was just going to mention
a quote by William Drennan, who's a medical doctor, a poet.
He's actually the first, on a quick aside, he's the
first to refer to Ireland. William Drennan as the Emerald
Dial in his poems. But he writes to Sam McTeer
just weeks after this writing by McCabe, and he says
(22:17):
to McTeer, Sam macteeler, I should much desire that a
society were instituted in the city, meaning Belfast, having much
of the secrecy and somewhat of the ceremonial of freemasonry.
So these are all Freemasons talking to each other. A
benevolent conspiracy, a plot for the people. No Whig club,
(22:39):
no party title, the brotherhood its name, the right of
man and the greatest happiness of the greatest numbers.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
It's end.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Drennan and these men they get together, and they actually
meet in seventeen ninety one at Peggy Barclay's tavern. So
typically Masonocology would meet in pubs, taverns inns at this time,
and so they get together from McCabe, McTeer, Nielsen, and
(23:09):
they meet with two other gentlemen. I mean, they're famous
in Irish history. Thomas Russell, a British soldier from Cork,
and the very famous Theobald Wolftone, a barrister Church of
Ireland man barrister from Dublin. He's wrapped up in the
Catholic Committee. He's pushing for Catholic liberties and rights. But
(23:30):
they get together, all of these gentlemen with other Freemasons,
William Sinclair, William McCleary, Henry Haslitt, William ten Tenant. They're
all from Lodge two fifty seven, that same lodge I
mentioned John Campbell from Lodge six point thirty six, and
they form the Society of United Irishman. Weeks later than Drennan,
(23:52):
William Drennan meets with James Nappertandy, another figure famous in
Irish history, an Archibald Archibald Hamilton Rowan. They're both Freemasons.
So Tandy is coming from Lodge number one ninety. Archibald Rowan,
he's coming from a volunteer lodge. When you know one
of those militia units I mentioned, Lodge number six twenty.
(24:16):
They're all Freemasons and they form basically the Dublin Branch
along actually with other Freemasons, Matthew Dowling, John Stocktail so
and they form that in Dublin at Taylor's guild Hall,
where also the Grand Lodge of Ireland is also meeting
(24:38):
at the time.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I wouldn't say it's all coincidence.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's so like parallel to what was going on in
America just twenty years before this, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And that's the thing, you know, kind of looking at
the academic work during the Bisentennial. So you know, they
I think, very purposefully look at you know, kind of
establishing this organization and it's focused on reform the rights
of advocating for the rights of both Catholics and Presbyterians primarily,
(25:15):
but it's very self consciously modeled on the lodge system.
So the United Irishmen, you know, they they do engage
with different artisan.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Guilds, political clubs. You know.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Kevin Whalen noted, you know, twenty five years ago in
his writings that they do purposely engage with Masonic lodges.
Jim Smith noted that, you know, they considered, you know,
as I mentioned, kind of Masonry as this microcosm of
the wider society that these men envisioned you know, just
(25:50):
something founded on mutual respect, you know, breaking down barriers
between as unnatural, you know, barriers, you know, dividing men.
Thomas Moore, the great poet from Trinity College, noted that,
you know, when someone would be invited to join the
United Irishman, they would be asked to join a lodge.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
So it's very.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Purposefully the lodge system. It's secretive, the men can be
counted on, and you know you have United Irishmen spreading
ideology through visitations.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I guess this is a great place for us to end,
because you end, or you conclude your launche program on
this note. You say, quote the effort to reclaim this
past end quote. And so listening to the story, is
this past that you're talking about and reclaiming it? Is
it the spirit of unity? Is it the combination of
(27:15):
you know, men who are like minded who are being
bound by different part Is it the fact that they
believed in something so strong and so passionately that they
put their lives on the line for it, believing in
something bigger than themselves. And even to the fact that
they didn't accomplish, they didn't triumph, but they still found
a way to survive. And in some way keep carrying
that flag forward. What is the past that you're hoping
(27:37):
to reclaim here.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It's funny because at the Bisentennial, the Grand Lodge invited
the President at the time, Mary mcley's, to visit the
Grand Lodge and they showed a lot of the artifacts
still in the possession of the Grand Lodge from seventeen
ninety eight and they, you know, were proud to show
the role of Freemasonry, you know, right in the rebellion.
(28:03):
And again, like the lesson is of this, you know,
when you see injustice, speak up, when you see you know,
something wrong, whether you know, and again these Freemasons they're
speaking out against poverty, they're speaking out against slavery. And
then they see the the unjust laws in Irish society
(28:25):
against Presbyterians and Catholics together, you know, kind of you know,
creating this elite, you know, by taking away the rights
of the vast majority together of the country.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
But yeah, I guess for.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Me, it's you know, reclaiming that sense of there was
a time two hundred years ago plus, you know, and
a quarter where irishmen were together, you know, you know,
in common cause, fighting for justice. It becomes this bloody conflict,
but you know, advocating, you know at the start, peacefully
(29:00):
for justice together an Ireland for all her children. But
but yeah, this is a history that wasn't always freely
taught in the North and in the South. And I
think only now are people really thanks to the Internet
and other sources, where they're really starting to see like, hey,
this is.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
What this rebellion was really about.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Unfortunately it took this path, but it started out this
way where it was a coming together of men of
all faiths, men and women.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
But you know, again we we have, we have, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
And Marianne McCracken, Henry Joy McCracken's sister, was an activist
in her own right and involved with Freemasons and abolitionism.
So it really is men and women, I should say,
But you know, the focus you know here being on
the Freemasons, it really is this everyone kind of advocating
(29:57):
for a better society in the country, in the Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Big thanks again to my guest this week, Worshipful Brother
David Dehasson. If you want to hear David and I
continue the conversation on Irish masonry. The seventeen ninety eight
Rebellion and just free Masonry and large. Make sure you
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Ars already looking forward to next Monday. We'll be teaming
up with Brother Jorge Aguilar on his latest article, Transformational
Leadership in Contemporary Free Masonry. Yeah, leaders wanted be listening
(30:49):
next Monday. Until then, let peace and harmony prevail
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