October 9, 2025 • 20 mins
Not only is Matt Good the guitar player and really the one constant in the band From First to Last, but Matt is an extremely good record producer as well. Matt is a busy guy, he knows it, his band knows it, and his family surely knows it. We're happy that Matt takes a bit out his schedule to have a chat about new music from From First to Last, his production skills, why he still writes and jams rock tunes, and even why their orginal singer Sonny (Skrillex) has been in and out of the band.
Check out the new song "Mirror Soul" featurin Kellin Quinn right now.
Check out the new song "Mirror Soul" featurin Kellin Quinn right now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My attention plays and no it Cutters rock Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
From First to Last maybe most well known for their
debut full length album, not the songs, but the title,
because Tanks does in fact have a body count. We're
old now, though, so I don't know if that matters.
Matt Good is joining us on the Cutting Edge Countdown
and Cutters rock Cast Good to see man.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, yeah, you thanks, fan, and I agree. Actually that's
what you said.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was just you know, I totally forgot the album
title until I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna crank up
like an hour ago, you know, I'm like, I'm gonna
crank up some First to Last, get a couple of
things done while I'm waiting for this conversation, and I
hit play and went, oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot
about this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, dude, it's funny, like, not that many people really
know that that that album title is a quote from
a movie, and by your face, right know, you might
be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And kind of thing. I know, I'm trying to think
what movie at the time frame?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, it's eighties, it's called Heathers.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, it's from Heathers. Shit, I can hear it now.
Now that you say it, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So funny story the line or the quote of the movie.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right, we've whatever reason like through the last has been
like twenty five years or something, we never once fought
to use that sound clip for anything, which makes I
just can't believe.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I don't understand how that never came up.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Right, So we're playing this weekend at Furnace Fest in
Alabama or the set intro is that clip from the movie? Yeah, sense, Yeah,
it's gonna be awesome because like everyone there is like
the first integre to hear is like dear Diary, my
teenage bullshit as a body count, you know, like anyone
who knows this is gonna be like let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah again, Now that you say it, I can hear
it plain as day. Yeah, nice, Heathers, it's a movie
to rewatch my that that movie has done a weird
like comeback round. Daughter sixteen and she loves that movie.
Oh cool. I just haven't sat and watched it with
her because she's a teenager. I'm dad, so I don't
(02:08):
get to do that stuff anymore. It sense. Okay, So
from first to last, man, I mean, realistically, you've been
in band since early twenty ninety nine. I think right
was the official start. But Matt, you've done many different
variations of this band, and you kind of it'll go
away and it'll come back and go away and it
come back. You keep hanging on to it. I think
(02:32):
the hardcore fans is probably very happy for that. But
what makes you keep coming back?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Let's see, Uh, there's different answers to all of them.
I'll be quick about it this. So basically the first
time when Sunny left in two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Six, it was like, oh, we don't know what else
to do with our lives. Every week we put all
of our eggs in this basket.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, and like quite literally it was our entire identity.
It just, you know what I mean, like to be
like all right, I guess let's do something else else,
like what that didn't exist? And we had a support
structure behind us that really was like championing us continuing
mm hm.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So that played out.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Actually, another thing people don't really know is that, like
the first a year and a half to two years
of post Sonny being gone was actually the highlight of
our career. People don't really necessarily remember it or whatever,
but for us, it was We did all the cool
shit we've ever done in our lives in those two
years right after Sonny left. It was insane. Like we
played in Spain for MTV with the Cure and him,
(03:31):
like it was insane. Wait what yeah wow, yeah, like
televise on MTV Europe, like he was like our whole
own floor of a hotel and wine and like it
was crazy, Like I was just rewatching it the other day,
like the trip. It was insane. But yeah, we did
so many things. We tore to kiss during that time,
(03:52):
which is insane too in Europe. But yeah, so all
the craziest things we ever did were all during that
time period. So anyway, you know, music changed. Everyone started
wanting to listen to metal core with like synth breakdowns,
and then like our kind of music kind of got
played out and no one cared anymore. So the first
time we came back was because I got into music production. Yeah,
(04:14):
and I had a friend and he's like, just making
a fatill record. You can just do a kickstarter And
I was like, oh, yeah, that's true, because I mean
that takes the edge off, like basically, if people want it,
they'll just pay for in advance. We'll have the money
to make it. We'll make it. It's simple.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Sure, and we did it. And then, like you know,
ever were excited, like let's do this, let's.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Do that, and then we kind of did it, but
then it kind of didn't happen because everyone had all
these other things going on in their lives, and I
was just like, well that was funn at lest I
made the record for people and you know, awesome, and
then what then, Sonny. I never had any point to
do anything ever again up to that. Probably that's by
just I was so busy I built in that time period,
I was building up a production career, you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Know, and that's like, right, we'll get yeah, we can
get into that a little bit later. But because you've
done some pretty cool stuff, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's but uh yeah. So I was just really focused
on what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know, like I had like a serious girlfriend at
the time. I think we were engaged by this point
and like you know, thinking about having a kid and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Right, And then Sunny hit me up and he was like, hey,
only wait to Cochilla.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I was like, Okay, I haven't talked to you in
like eight years or nine years or ten years, maybe
even at the point I don't even remember. He's like, yeah,
I was just listening to our stuff. It's great. We
had a cool song. I was like, yeah, I know
what there you left.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Anyway, he was like, we should do it again. So
then like that was one of those things where it's like, oh,
that's sick, we should do that. People would be very happy. Right,
it was fun, it was cool. But I think what
most people don't understand, and I didn't understanduntil I experienced it,
is that the sustainability of having someone who is burdened
(05:48):
by the schedule of the level of fame that Sonny
now has as Skrilics, It's like, literally it makes being
a band harder than any.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Version of the band we've ever men.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
In because it's like, no matter how excited we are
or how excited the fans are, that never even comes
close to how hard it is just to get the dude.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
In a room for one hour.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh right, I suppose just with work schedule, media schedule that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, and he's just a very spastic guy in general,
Like quite literally, I'm not even kidding, Like he could
be like in La one day and then I'll be
like I decided to go to Europe for three months,
and he'd be like, Okay, i'll.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
See you when you get back.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I guess you know what I mean, Like that's just
how his life works, which is probably extremely fun and cool.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But like Tyne, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
So I mean the time period of him calling me
and us releasing our second song with him because we
needed two, that was like four years to do two songs.
So you know, it's like from a fans point of view, like,
I don't know, there might I guarantee you there's fans
that are probably like it's fine, I'll wait four years
to one song. It's like okay, I mean you're probably
(06:57):
in the minority, but you do exist. And then I
think most of the people will just be like, yeah,
that's not sustainable or fun or interesting at all.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, so COVID happens.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I didn't talk to him forever because the world was
really crazy then, right, So.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just a little bit of like just a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
He did one of his relocations during COVID, of course, yeah,
you know, because I.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Mean people that don't relocate did relocations during COVID. So
I can't even imagine what a guy like him would do.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he relocated to another part of the world, right,
So he just disappeared one day and I was just like,
all right, well, I guess you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Know that was fun of what lasted.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I have other priorities now, because at this point I
had a kid who was like one or two, and
it wasn't even in my head because like I was
really worried about dying and not being there for my
kid's life, you know, like at this point in time.
And then yeah, so anyway, like really long time like
COVID till last year goes by, and like my career
(07:54):
as a producer is like better and it's ever been.
I have all these like connections, I have all these
great things, and all these bands I record all the
time are like fans of us, and I always get
asked like, dude, why aren't you doing anything? Why aren't
you doing anything? Why don't you do anything? And I
was like, you know, I really want you, but I'm
just so busy. And then finally, like the sky or
the water parted, right, and I had a moment to
(08:15):
just be able to like create for myself for once,
and I wrote the song Genesis that we put out
like earlier this year, and yeah, and we put it
out and then ever since then, we've just been kind
of kicking it again, and like, you know, every little
thing we've been doing is kind of like compounding, so
like we're kind of adding on to itself. I said
I'd make the short. I did, and I'm sorry there's
(08:36):
not so much. Yeah, but yeah, so now we're just
kind of like we're in straight vibe mode. Every single
person in the band has another career. They're not relying
on this band for anything. It's literally just out of
pure fun interest and like the joy of being able
to hang out together and play music together. And honestly,
that's what the band has always pretty much been about.
(08:57):
And that's why we don't really ever have like two
much of a crazy track record with members, because we
just sometimes people want to come in. Like Spencer from Periphery,
I want to come in. He has a band, Periphery.
They were his full time schedule. But I still was like, yeah, sure, man,
I mean, like, if you want to make music with us,
that's fucking cool. I want to make music with as
many people as I can in my life. I think
(09:17):
that's the most fun part about being a musician.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So anyway, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
There you and now Callen Quinn.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And now Callen Quinn. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh, Mirror Souls the song that you guys just released
during Louder than Life. And Tony Hawk is the one
who told everybody, m what is your life? Matt, what
is your life? That was funny, right, Like Tony Hawk
is the one making it in his car.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, yeah, yeah it's sick. Yeah indeed, that was actually
really random too. This is the same story.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
People might not know this either, but the reason Sonny
saying for our band is the same reason that's spent
saying for man is the same reason Kellen's not singing
on this song.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He just asked, okay, and.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You know what I mean, and like like they asked
and like it vibed, you what I mean. Like plenty
of people have asked and it didn't vibe and we've
been like, yeah, you know, but like they asked a
vibe and we said, let's fucking do it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Like Kellen was like running one day and was like, hey, dude,
because like I work on Sleeping with Sirens stuff sometimes,
Like I was writing a song on the new record
with him, yeah, and uh, we were just talking and
he was like I can still hit all these notes
about Dear Diary, and I was like, oh fuck y.
I was like, guess appearance when Aha, we're just joking,
and then that just turned into I'm going to sing
for you guys at Furnace Fuss, and then I turned
(10:39):
into like, Hey, why don't we just put out a
song to promote you singing first the furnace fust?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, is there anything else other than the Furnace Fest?
By the time I air this Furnace Fest will be over.
But I'm just curious there's going to be any other
appearances if you have anything in mind.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yes, there's nothing on the book yet.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But the best I can say is that there's been
a lot of conversations about what we should do next.
Our band has rebuilt the infrastructure necessary to play live frequently, okay,
and we have had conversations with their book the Agent
about looking for opportunities, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So all right, all right, take that nugget.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, we'll take that nugget.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Mirror Soul. I love that this song came up out
of it just because he Kellen wanted to sing a
song like that. And to go back to what you said,
before about just making music. That's the fun part of
making music, right, I've just sitting down in a room
with friends and going, all right, I got this riff,
all right, I got this lyric melody that's just such
(11:47):
a cool, refreshing way of hearing about how songs come about.
I ask these questions every week to people, and that
I like that one. Yeah, it's just fresh.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And everyone's so bogged down by like the business of
music these days, and like I can't blame them because
I've been there before. I've been running that rat race,
I've been on the hamster wheel, whatever you want to
call it, right, But dude, like.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I watched these movies. I know they're just movies, but.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Like you know, like the Bob Dylan movie or like
Walk the Line or whatever, like the way shit was
like in like what the fifties and the sixties, even
the seventies, and it was just like I really feel
like straight up people were so, hey, may I want
to cut this record with me?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And like fuck, yeah, bro, let's cut this record.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And they just did it, you know what I mean,
Like that shit just happened all the time, Like people
were just like so casual about it. And all this
great art came from people just being like liberated from
the business side of music, right, Like that was the
one thing that I will say about the old model
that I still think absolutely fucking trumps everything going on
in the world now is like labels and business managers
(12:49):
and all those people, like, yes, so they take advantage
of artists, one hundred percent, absolutely they did.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That shit sucks. But the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
The artists were full, like unencumbered by anything related to
business in your life whatsoever, was I personally think fucking
amazing because.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
These days, like you're literally taught.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And bred from the ground up to be like, you know,
like a social media content creator, a musician, a business person.
You know, you have to do everything like your brain
is just fucking you can only do so much with
your brain, right Like right, I don't know, I really
liked that for a very long time, Like the artists
like literally just got to be the artists and that
(13:32):
was it. One hundred percent of their brain power went
to just being the artist.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, And I wonder if there's ever a way to
get back to that, truly, I.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Mean, it'd be really hard because like so much trust
has been eroded these days. But also the business model
now is built to make a profit off of the
work of the artists.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well business model besides, right, I mean the business model
has been screwed since the seventies, but yeah, oh even
before for that. I mean, you know, the story of
Elvis is a tragic one in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It's uh, it's been a problem for a long time.
But you know, listen, man, I mean that's how I
got into radio, right, Like, I went from that and went, well,
that's not gonna probably be sustainable. I'll do radio for
a while and see what happens in radio one. But
so cover bands, it is uh, just to go play songs,
you know, but it is. It's it's been an issue
(14:29):
for a long time. We're radiots, right, we just want
to we just want to play. I just want to play.
That's cool. Oh you're gonna paym on rent? All right?
Oh well that sucked now two years later, you know. Yeah,
I don't know, man, I see it happened to too
many friends, too many friends.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's fucked up, right, But I mean, you know,
it's just like you, I think it resulted in so
much amazing aren't happening because like, you know, like if
bands were worried about like their social media numbers or
their you know, their bills or whatever, they wouldn't be like,
you know, oh, let's go trip balls on mushrooms for
like two hours athletes and write a record and so
being like one of the most prolific rock records in
(15:04):
the history by accident, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That's I don't think that would have happened, honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, probably not, probably not these days at least not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't know. I don't know how it worked you
as a you as a record producer and production person
when it comes to music, Uh, to go from you know,
from first to last and getting into that was that
sort of a pretty natural progression for you.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sort of.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But when I left the band, I actually left to
go play in this other band called Drugs, and that
was like kind of like a supergroup that was built
up with like Pete Wentz and John Feldman and stuff
kind of being behind the handle there. And I was
starting to get into production a little bit at that
point because I needed to make demos a sense of
(15:53):
the band, and I was just like I got to
make this sound good. So that was like my first
little dive into it. And then when we made that
record of felt like I was starting to get into
it even more.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But then, you know, he tore.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Off drugs a lot, and I was just busy being
the artist for a while there, and and then after
that Van was over, when we decided to step away
from that band, that's when I started taking it seriously.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And it all kind of just stemmed from there.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Gotcha, boy, what's if you were to tell somebody here,
I'm a producer, here's my work. What's the record you're
going to give somebody that you've done?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Fuck dude, probably asking how is andrewa is self titled?
Just because it has the most accolades, and it was
like it is actually like the most like defining moment
of my production career was doing that record, Like it's
what got my name into the circle of people being talked.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
About, you know, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that album was the return of Danny Worsnopp. It
spawned a million top singles and the world of rock
and they toured forever on it. Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It, and the sound is still relevant very much.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So it's great it's crazy like that that record, Like
the production style of the songs, It's like people are
literally still making songs that sound like those songs right now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And it's been a while now, it's beening eight.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Years to say when did that come out? Twenty seventeen?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I was sixteen, but either way.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, so ten maybe ten years, not even eight nine years. Yeah,
something like that. That's a good one to go check out. Well,
listen man for first to Last Mirror Soul is the
new song featuring Kellen Quinn on vocals. So when you
guys are doing this show and again it's in the
past now, but it's happening this weekend. According to the
timeline of when we're talking, does he is he singing
(17:43):
the whole? I mean he's singing the whole everything, right,
Because you did one record as a singer, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I did?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, So we were just like the band is a
two vocalist band, right, Okay, yeah, at least like in
the first two records, like it was Sonny being leadvocalist
and then I sing like thirty percent or so and
play guitar, like we did a bunch of back and
forth vocals, tons of harmonies, you know right now. Yeah,
(18:12):
like pronounced harmonies. So Kellen is just taking on the
role of Sonny live.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, that makes sense. That checks out.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is it a lot of when you put this set together,
because obviously you're talking about you know, maybe maybe in
the future even more. Is it a lot of those
kind of older stuff or is it these you know,
Genesis and your Soul and was the song war Games
right from a while back, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, so we're done for for instance, specifically, we're doing
a lot of older stuff because that festival is kind
of like a kind of leans on the nostalgia ribe
a little bit. But miror Soul is in there.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But well it's gotta be You can't you can't put
out a song kelln quinn, have him be the lead singer,
then not play the song you wrote, you know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, you kind of have to write.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But I mean I would anyway because the song kind
of fits in with the vibe of earlier stuff anyway.
But yeah, and then in the future, I think I'm
going to try and just get it spread a little bit,
so we have a little bit of something.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, like a lot of bands.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Have been around for a while, like if you go
see the show, like how they would do it, like
you just kind of them in there.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I get that all right man, We'll have a
good set.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're very welcome. The song, by the way is available
to stream and download and watch on YouTube or whatever
anywhere and hopefully listen to on fine rock and roll
radio stations near you. Fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Fine ones.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Only the fine ones, the ones that air my show.
Those are the final no ugly ones though the other
ones are sucked until they start airing my show. Then
they'd be cool too. Matt, Matt Good from the band
from first to last, Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Really appreciate it, and thank you think your time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Cotter's Rock Cast. Don't forget to tune in exactly. Yeah,
My attention plays and no it Cutters rock Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
From First to Last maybe most well known for their
debut full length album, not the songs, but the title,
because Tanks does in fact have a body count. We're
old now, though, so I don't know if that matters.
Matt Good is joining us on the Cutting Edge Countdown
and Cutters rock Cast Good to see man.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, yeah, you thanks, fan, and I agree. Actually that's
what you said.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was just you know, I totally forgot the album
title until I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna crank up
like an hour ago, you know, I'm like, I'm gonna
crank up some First to Last, get a couple of
things done while I'm waiting for this conversation, and I
hit play and went, oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot
about this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, dude, it's funny, like, not that many people really
know that that that album title is a quote from
a movie, and by your face, right know, you might
be one of those people.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And kind of thing. I know, I'm trying to think
what movie at the time frame?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, it's eighties, it's called Heathers.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, it's from Heathers. Shit, I can hear it now.
Now that you say it, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So funny story the line or the quote of the movie.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right, we've whatever reason like through the last has been
like twenty five years or something, we never once fought
to use that sound clip for anything, which makes I
just can't believe.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I don't understand how that never came up.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Right, So we're playing this weekend at Furnace Fest in
Alabama or the set intro is that clip from the movie? Yeah, sense, Yeah,
it's gonna be awesome because like everyone there is like
the first integre to hear is like dear Diary, my
teenage bullshit as a body count, you know, like anyone
who knows this is gonna be like let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah again, Now that you say it, I can hear
it plain as day. Yeah, nice, Heathers, it's a movie
to rewatch my that that movie has done a weird
like comeback round. Daughter sixteen and she loves that movie.
Oh cool. I just haven't sat and watched it with
her because she's a teenager. I'm dad, so I don't
(02:08):
get to do that stuff anymore. It sense. Okay, So
from first to last, man, I mean, realistically, you've been
in band since early twenty ninety nine. I think right
was the official start. But Matt, you've done many different
variations of this band, and you kind of it'll go
away and it'll come back and go away and it
come back. You keep hanging on to it. I think
(02:32):
the hardcore fans is probably very happy for that. But
what makes you keep coming back?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Let's see, Uh, there's different answers to all of them.
I'll be quick about it this. So basically the first
time when Sunny left in two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Six, it was like, oh, we don't know what else
to do with our lives. Every week we put all
of our eggs in this basket.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, and like quite literally it was our entire identity.
It just, you know what I mean, like to be
like all right, I guess let's do something else else,
like what that didn't exist? And we had a support
structure behind us that really was like championing us continuing
mm hm.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
So that played out.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Actually, another thing people don't really know is that, like
the first a year and a half to two years
of post Sonny being gone was actually the highlight of
our career. People don't really necessarily remember it or whatever,
but for us, it was We did all the cool
shit we've ever done in our lives in those two
years right after Sonny left. It was insane. Like we
played in Spain for MTV with the Cure and him,
(03:31):
like it was insane. Wait what yeah wow, yeah, like
televise on MTV Europe, like he was like our whole
own floor of a hotel and wine and like it
was crazy, Like I was just rewatching it the other day,
like the trip. It was insane. But yeah, we did
so many things. We tore to kiss during that time,
(03:52):
which is insane too in Europe. But yeah, so all
the craziest things we ever did were all during that
time period. So anyway, you know, music changed. Everyone started
wanting to listen to metal core with like synth breakdowns,
and then like our kind of music kind of got
played out and no one cared anymore. So the first
time we came back was because I got into music production. Yeah,
(04:14):
and I had a friend and he's like, just making
a fatill record. You can just do a kickstarter And
I was like, oh, yeah, that's true, because I mean
that takes the edge off, like basically, if people want it,
they'll just pay for in advance. We'll have the money
to make it. We'll make it. It's simple.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Sure, and we did it. And then, like you know,
ever were excited, like let's do this, let's.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Do that, and then we kind of did it, but
then it kind of didn't happen because everyone had all
these other things going on in their lives, and I
was just like, well that was funn at lest I
made the record for people and you know, awesome, and
then what then, Sonny. I never had any point to
do anything ever again up to that. Probably that's by
just I was so busy I built in that time period,
I was building up a production career, you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Know, and that's like, right, we'll get yeah, we can
get into that a little bit later. But because you've
done some pretty cool stuff, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's but uh yeah. So I was just really focused
on what I was doing.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You know, like I had like a serious girlfriend at
the time. I think we were engaged by this point
and like you know, thinking about having a kid and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Right, And then Sunny hit me up and he was like, hey,
only wait to Cochilla.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I was like, Okay, I haven't talked to you in
like eight years or nine years or ten years, maybe
even at the point I don't even remember. He's like, yeah,
I was just listening to our stuff. It's great. We
had a cool song. I was like, yeah, I know
what there you left.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Anyway, he was like, we should do it again. So
then like that was one of those things where it's like, oh,
that's sick, we should do that. People would be very happy. Right,
it was fun, it was cool. But I think what
most people don't understand, and I didn't understanduntil I experienced it,
is that the sustainability of having someone who is burdened
(05:48):
by the schedule of the level of fame that Sonny
now has as Skrilics, It's like, literally it makes being
a band harder than any.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Version of the band we've ever men.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
In because it's like, no matter how excited we are
or how excited the fans are, that never even comes
close to how hard it is just to get the dude.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
In a room for one hour.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Oh right, I suppose just with work schedule, media schedule that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, and he's just a very spastic guy in general,
Like quite literally, I'm not even kidding, Like he could
be like in La one day and then I'll be
like I decided to go to Europe for three months,
and he'd be like, Okay, i'll.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
See you when you get back.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I guess you know what I mean, Like that's just
how his life works, which is probably extremely fun and cool.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But like Tyne, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
So I mean the time period of him calling me
and us releasing our second song with him because we
needed two, that was like four years to do two songs.
So you know, it's like from a fans point of view, like,
I don't know, there might I guarantee you there's fans
that are probably like it's fine, I'll wait four years
to one song. It's like okay, I mean you're probably
(06:57):
in the minority, but you do exist. And then I
think most of the people will just be like, yeah,
that's not sustainable or fun or interesting at all.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, so COVID happens.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I didn't talk to him forever because the world was
really crazy then, right, So.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just a little bit of like just a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
He did one of his relocations during COVID, of course, yeah,
you know, because I.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Mean people that don't relocate did relocations during COVID. So
I can't even imagine what a guy like him would do.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he relocated to another part of the world, right,
So he just disappeared one day and I was just like,
all right, well, I guess you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Know that was fun of what lasted.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I have other priorities now, because at this point I
had a kid who was like one or two, and
it wasn't even in my head because like I was
really worried about dying and not being there for my
kid's life, you know, like at this point in time.
And then yeah, so anyway, like really long time like
COVID till last year goes by, and like my career
(07:54):
as a producer is like better and it's ever been.
I have all these like connections, I have all these
great things, and all these bands I record all the
time are like fans of us, and I always get
asked like, dude, why aren't you doing anything? Why aren't
you doing anything? Why don't you do anything? And I
was like, you know, I really want you, but I'm
just so busy. And then finally, like the sky or
the water parted, right, and I had a moment to
(08:15):
just be able to like create for myself for once,
and I wrote the song Genesis that we put out
like earlier this year, and yeah, and we put it
out and then ever since then, we've just been kind
of kicking it again, and like, you know, every little
thing we've been doing is kind of like compounding, so
like we're kind of adding on to itself. I said
I'd make the short. I did, and I'm sorry there's
(08:36):
not so much. Yeah, but yeah, so now we're just
kind of like we're in straight vibe mode. Every single
person in the band has another career. They're not relying
on this band for anything. It's literally just out of
pure fun interest and like the joy of being able
to hang out together and play music together. And honestly,
that's what the band has always pretty much been about.
(08:57):
And that's why we don't really ever have like two
much of a crazy track record with members, because we
just sometimes people want to come in. Like Spencer from Periphery,
I want to come in. He has a band, Periphery.
They were his full time schedule. But I still was like, yeah, sure, man,
I mean, like, if you want to make music with us,
that's fucking cool. I want to make music with as
many people as I can in my life. I think
(09:17):
that's the most fun part about being a musician.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So anyway, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
There you and now Callen Quinn.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And now Callen Quinn. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Uh, Mirror Souls the song that you guys just released
during Louder than Life. And Tony Hawk is the one
who told everybody, m what is your life? Matt, what
is your life? That was funny, right, Like Tony Hawk
is the one making it in his car.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, yeah, yeah it's sick. Yeah indeed, that was actually
really random too. This is the same story.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
People might not know this either, but the reason Sonny
saying for our band is the same reason that's spent
saying for man is the same reason Kellen's not singing
on this song.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He just asked, okay, and.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You know what I mean, and like like they asked
and like it vibed, you what I mean. Like plenty
of people have asked and it didn't vibe and we've
been like, yeah, you know, but like they asked a
vibe and we said, let's fucking do it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Like Kellen was like running one day and was like, hey, dude,
because like I work on Sleeping with Sirens stuff sometimes,
Like I was writing a song on the new record
with him, yeah, and uh, we were just talking and
he was like I can still hit all these notes
about Dear Diary, and I was like, oh fuck y.
I was like, guess appearance when Aha, we're just joking,
and then that just turned into I'm going to sing
for you guys at Furnace Fuss, and then I turned
(10:39):
into like, Hey, why don't we just put out a
song to promote you singing first the furnace fust?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, is there anything else other than the Furnace Fest?
By the time I air this Furnace Fest will be over.
But I'm just curious there's going to be any other
appearances if you have anything in mind.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yes, there's nothing on the book yet.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But the best I can say is that there's been
a lot of conversations about what we should do next.
Our band has rebuilt the infrastructure necessary to play live frequently, okay,
and we have had conversations with their book the Agent
about looking for opportunities, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So all right, all right, take that nugget.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, we'll take that nugget.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Mirror Soul. I love that this song came up out
of it just because he Kellen wanted to sing a
song like that. And to go back to what you said,
before about just making music. That's the fun part of
making music, right, I've just sitting down in a room
with friends and going, all right, I got this riff,
all right, I got this lyric melody that's just such
(11:47):
a cool, refreshing way of hearing about how songs come about.
I ask these questions every week to people, and that
I like that one. Yeah, it's just fresh.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And everyone's so bogged down by like the business of
music these days, and like I can't blame them because
I've been there before. I've been running that rat race,
I've been on the hamster wheel, whatever you want to
call it, right, But dude, like.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I watched these movies. I know they're just movies, but.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Like you know, like the Bob Dylan movie or like
Walk the Line or whatever, like the way shit was
like in like what the fifties and the sixties, even
the seventies, and it was just like I really feel
like straight up people were so, hey, may I want
to cut this record with me?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And like fuck, yeah, bro, let's cut this record.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And they just did it, you know what I mean,
Like that shit just happened all the time, Like people
were just like so casual about it. And all this
great art came from people just being like liberated from
the business side of music, right, Like that was the
one thing that I will say about the old model
that I still think absolutely fucking trumps everything going on
in the world now is like labels and business managers
(12:49):
and all those people, like, yes, so they take advantage
of artists, one hundred percent, absolutely they did.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That shit sucks. But the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
The artists were full, like unencumbered by anything related to
business in your life whatsoever, was I personally think fucking
amazing because.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
These days, like you're literally taught.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And bred from the ground up to be like, you know,
like a social media content creator, a musician, a business person.
You know, you have to do everything like your brain
is just fucking you can only do so much with
your brain, right Like right, I don't know, I really
liked that for a very long time, Like the artists
like literally just got to be the artists and that
(13:32):
was it. One hundred percent of their brain power went
to just being the artist.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, And I wonder if there's ever a way to
get back to that, truly, I.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Mean, it'd be really hard because like so much trust
has been eroded these days. But also the business model
now is built to make a profit off of the
work of the artists.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well business model besides, right, I mean the business model
has been screwed since the seventies, but yeah, oh even
before for that. I mean, you know, the story of
Elvis is a tragic one in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It's uh, it's been a problem for a long time.
But you know, listen, man, I mean that's how I
got into radio, right, Like, I went from that and went, well,
that's not gonna probably be sustainable. I'll do radio for
a while and see what happens in radio one. But
so cover bands, it is uh, just to go play songs,
you know, but it is. It's it's been an issue
(14:29):
for a long time. We're radiots, right, we just want
to we just want to play. I just want to play.
That's cool. Oh you're gonna paym on rent? All right?
Oh well that sucked now two years later, you know. Yeah,
I don't know, man, I see it happened to too
many friends, too many friends.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's fucked up, right, But I mean, you know,
it's just like you, I think it resulted in so
much amazing aren't happening because like, you know, like if
bands were worried about like their social media numbers or
their you know, their bills or whatever, they wouldn't be like,
you know, oh, let's go trip balls on mushrooms for
like two hours athletes and write a record and so
being like one of the most prolific rock records in
(15:04):
the history by accident, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That's I don't think that would have happened, honestly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No, probably not, probably not these days at least not.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I don't know. I don't know how it worked you
as a you as a record producer and production person
when it comes to music, Uh, to go from you know,
from first to last and getting into that was that
sort of a pretty natural progression for you.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sort of.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But when I left the band, I actually left to
go play in this other band called Drugs, and that
was like kind of like a supergroup that was built
up with like Pete Wentz and John Feldman and stuff
kind of being behind the handle there. And I was
starting to get into production a little bit at that
point because I needed to make demos a sense of
(15:53):
the band, and I was just like I got to
make this sound good. So that was like my first
little dive into it. And then when we made that
record of felt like I was starting to get into
it even more.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But then, you know, he tore.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Off drugs a lot, and I was just busy being
the artist for a while there, and and then after
that Van was over, when we decided to step away
from that band, that's when I started taking it seriously.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And it all kind of just stemmed from there.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Gotcha, boy, what's if you were to tell somebody here,
I'm a producer, here's my work. What's the record you're
going to give somebody that you've done?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Fuck dude, probably asking how is andrewa is self titled?
Just because it has the most accolades, and it was
like it is actually like the most like defining moment
of my production career was doing that record, Like it's
what got my name into the circle of people being talked.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
About, you know, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that album was the return of Danny Worsnopp. It
spawned a million top singles and the world of rock
and they toured forever on it. Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It, and the sound is still relevant very much.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So it's great it's crazy like that that record, Like
the production style of the songs, It's like people are
literally still making songs that sound like those songs right now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And it's been a while now, it's beening eight.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Years to say when did that come out? Twenty seventeen?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I was sixteen, but either way.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, so ten maybe ten years, not even eight nine years. Yeah,
something like that. That's a good one to go check out. Well,
listen man for first to Last Mirror Soul is the
new song featuring Kellen Quinn on vocals. So when you
guys are doing this show and again it's in the
past now, but it's happening this weekend. According to the
timeline of when we're talking, does he is he singing
(17:43):
the whole? I mean he's singing the whole everything, right,
Because you did one record as a singer, didn't you?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I did?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, So we were just like the band is a
two vocalist band, right, Okay, yeah, at least like in
the first two records, like it was Sonny being leadvocalist
and then I sing like thirty percent or so and
play guitar, like we did a bunch of back and
forth vocals, tons of harmonies, you know right now. Yeah,
(18:12):
like pronounced harmonies. So Kellen is just taking on the
role of Sonny live.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, that makes sense. That checks out.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Is it a lot of when you put this set together,
because obviously you're talking about you know, maybe maybe in
the future even more. Is it a lot of those
kind of older stuff or is it these you know,
Genesis and your Soul and was the song war Games
right from a while back, stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, so we're done for for instance, specifically, we're doing
a lot of older stuff because that festival is kind
of like a kind of leans on the nostalgia ribe
a little bit. But miror Soul is in there.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
But well it's gotta be You can't you can't put
out a song kelln quinn, have him be the lead singer,
then not play the song you wrote, you know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, you kind of have to write.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But I mean I would anyway because the song kind
of fits in with the vibe of earlier stuff anyway.
But yeah, and then in the future, I think I'm
going to try and just get it spread a little bit,
so we have a little bit of something.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, like a lot of bands.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Have been around for a while, like if you go
see the show, like how they would do it, like
you just kind of them in there.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I get that all right man, We'll have a
good set.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're very welcome. The song, by the way is available
to stream and download and watch on YouTube or whatever
anywhere and hopefully listen to on fine rock and roll
radio stations near you. Fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Fine ones.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Only the fine ones, the ones that air my show.
Those are the final no ugly ones though the other
ones are sucked until they start airing my show. Then
they'd be cool too. Matt, Matt Good from the band
from first to last, Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Really appreciate it, and thank you think your time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Cotter's Rock Cast. Don't forget to tune in exactly. Yeah,
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