Episode 251 (A Little Preachy)

Jay and Mark are joined by Christian Bogh (@christianbogh on Instagram) to discuss "Obstacles" the 22nd chapter of Deep Blue Sea. They also talk about Sharks in Sweden, kitchen fights, and Christian's book "Shark! Into the Jaws on an Unstoppable Genre." Head over to Severin Films (https://severinfilms.com/en-gb/products/shark-book?_pos=1&_sid=072c19d60&_ss=r) so you can buy the book!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the Podcast. I
am Mark bathroom Love Hoffmeier.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's fine, and I am Jay bathroom Lovelo. I was
using the same one.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
No worries.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's the classic line from this scene. This is Deep
the Podcast. On this show, we've been through the entire
Deep C trilogy, scene by scene, and we're doing it
again with all new wonderful guests. And this is Deep
C one, chapter twenty two. What happens in Deep C one,
Chapter twenty two. Let's have a listen. The mixshift rope
leads down from the level one hatch into the water.

(01:02):
Scoggins and Carter swim through a corridor.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
We got one, there's two sharks left, and there's you
and the doctor in a little bathroom love.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
They got a pill for what's wrong with Uskog's.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Susan looks at a photo of janis.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I need to get some things from my quarters. Preacher
research data, the tests.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
They worked so much stuff all around us to risk
any more life for some numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Without that data, everyone dying isn't just tragic.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's useless. That is always useless. Doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
She leaves Preacher alone. Carter and Scoggins find the entrance
to the room they're looking for. This is it?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, stay here.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Carter dives underwater, leaving skullgans behind Carter. A shark approaches.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
H h.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
H. Carter swims around the submerged wet lap. He gets
tangled in a massive wires, extricating himself and it's interrupted

(02:54):
by the drowned body of Jim m hm. Carter surfaces,
screaming boh. Skulkins arrives two, also.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Screaming, Ah, what the hell's going on?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's okay, okay, what is that? We're all right?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's okay, It's okay, It's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I thought you were coming back from me. One of
your stupid monitors is blocking the panel. Do you want
to help me move it?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah? I say.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
We do everything right together?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, right together.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
So that was it was one chapter twenty two. We
have a wonderful guest to joining us. We talked about
Shark's lotation in the past. He's one of the many people,
one of the many shark movie experts on They also
the author the author of the book Shark Into the
Jaws of an Unstoppable Genre, released by severin films. It's
Christian Bow. Christian welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Thank you, I thank you for having me. I'm so
thrilled to be here, thrilled.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
To have you.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's fun having a shark expert on here. You spent
a lot of time watching shark movies.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, too much time? Special. If you have talked to
my wife, then it's yeah, too much time.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, my work says I watched too many nowhere near
as many as you do.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
You know, if we're going.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
To attach ourselves to a genre, it's shark movies is
a good one. I think it's just there's a lot
of variety. It's kind of an odd it's an odd journey,
like had a good evolution. It's like, what's your journey
with Deep Blue Seed? Did you see it in theaters?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
How long has it been in your life?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
In the theater back in nineteen nine? And it had
a Danish premiere in October? I think so. I watched
it around Christmas, and I think so. And then I
watched it many many, many many times, and if you eight,
and then DVD Blu ray and now they just bought
the release also, so I watched that last week just

(04:56):
to prepare for this one because it had been a
few years and what's it last.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
The job Aero Films. I love that they did such
a good job on that four K that you watch
a lot of shark movies. Where does it rank? I'm
don't you don't have to give you an exact number,
but is it top is it like top top tier?
Top tier, middle tier, loaw tier, load tier tier?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's probably on the good days in the top five?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
WHOA right, yeah, good, we agree.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, but it depends on the mood and if I'm
gonna watch if Josh do, I take Josh two into account. Also,
uh yeah, but the top five it should be a yeah,
I like it.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know what I like? It's one of the most
shark movies ever made.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
There's a lot of shark stuff in this, Like it's
not it's not like a surfer finding a shark. It's
like we're genetically modifying sharks and there's a lot of it.
So I don't know, when watching all the movies if
you like that, Like there's it's like twenty five minutes
of just sharks swimming around or being tested on or
like there's even a fake shark being worked.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
On, like, there's a lot of shark in this movie.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, it's not a shock, but also I only like
four shots in it, so it's not not done many sharks,
but you see them all the time. And that's in
contrast to George which was That's obvious a mile number
one movie, and we just see the sharks every a
few minutes of the of the total movie. So so,
but it's fun because it's it's good, it's very real

(06:17):
made and it's exciting, and they're using it like proper,
not just an image in the background. Oh now we
have to see the shark, but no, actually a part
of the movie and it's yeah, it's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Nice. Are you a Renny Harlan guy? Are you a
Renny Harland fan?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I had too. It's great and Lunky's good night.
I actually love that.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah yeah, I just thought Erro released a four K
of it, so I just bought it.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh I haven't. They had it on Blu rays.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Samuel Jackson's that's his favorite movie he worked on. He
said he loved working with Geena Davis.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah he should. They have it like a good chemistry
in the movie.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, She's on fire, Shane Black
script running Harlan direction, huge explosions. Was ice skate, She's
on ice skates chasing a car. Like, there's some things
in that movie I've never seen before, and I'm like,
you know what the world needs more ice skating?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Did you see the horror movie called Curtains.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
No Curtains of Is there a chase on that scene?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Also with a guy in a mask and an old
woman mask. It's just classic in the horror industry.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Curtains so eighty three. Yeah, okay, Canadian slasher mm hmm.
It's on two B.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I love to b yeah movie. Yeah, okay. The best
part about two is you actually wats that here in Denmark?
Also shot up and stuff like that. You can't see
it even though we have to have a vp A
in so oh so tube is great.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah two B is the best. All right, Well, now
I got another movie added to the list. I like,
like Shark Exploitation. I added about twenty movies to my list,
so now I have Curtains.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Just wait till I read my book, then we probably
add a few more. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Good, yeah, I gotta order that from Severn. That looks awesome.
I'll do that today.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yes, quick quick question about this chapter.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, you know Susan in this chapter she's gonna go
get a research and she gets called out by by Preacher.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean she should get the research, right.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I totally understand her, and not because only because
of the movie, but also because I have a mother
with alzheimer. So I actually I do understand her and
I understand her situation. And I would probably have the
same because even though it's terrible and everybody's dying, but
he should. It has been in vain if you don't
get that, And then if you watch the rest of

(08:41):
her movie, that's even more Frederick because yeah, you know
that the information that just blows up.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
And so I feel we should have had more of
a reaction from Preacher. When she tells him that that
it worked, she says, oh you can get the data.
Test works, by the way, and he just gives her enough.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's an intense situation. People have died, he's just killed
a shock, but it works. They did it. It's like
nothing nothing from him.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
She's not Actually she's just a chef in this movie.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So he really doesn't Yeah, I don't think he does.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
He's like what works, you know, because yeah, he's probably
not too familiar with that. But I don't even know
why the everyone makes her out to be the villain.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
And yes, like they genetically modify sharks, which leads to
a lot of death, but yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Get that research.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
And she's not taking anybody with her, Like she's not
taking this isn't Star Trek, She's not taking red Shirts
with her. She's going off on her own to go
get her data. And so I think that might. Preacher
is a great character, one of the best side quests
ever in in like horror shark movie cinema. But like
he's a little pre Preacher's a little preachy in this
with her.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, Carter told Preacher to stay with the doc and
then he lets the dog walk away. He should he
should go with her, Yeah what he was told to do.
But no, he's gonna hang around.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
He didn't exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, the two of them would they both would have
had to have stripped if.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah half of that the movie watching, but would love it, see,
like stripped.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
The two of them up on a thing, and I
gotta let tout the shark together.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think. But if he's gone with her, she if
he'd gone with it. She would have gone into the room.
He would have like hung out by the door. Maybe
the shark might not have noticed him. He might have
seen the shark come in shot more of a warning.
I don't want to change that whole scene. I just
I feel like he should have been her backup, just
in case. He's he knows as a danger. He brings
it up. I don't I don't know why it doesn't go.

(10:50):
He's done. I guess he doesn't want to doesn't want
to risk himself anymore.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
He was in a drying room.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And also from a production standpoint, it's just more expensive
to have two actors and a wet room. Yeah, you're
in a dry room with a fish tank. You have
a video camera. You can talk about omelets like he's
living a dream. Well, so as far as Scars Guard,
we know that Scars Guard died or doctor Jim Whitlock died.
But I looked up his cinem orgue and he has

(11:17):
he has bad luck.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
In water movies. The Hunt for Red October he blows up.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
So this one Parts of the Caribbean.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, he becomes cursed, like keep him away
from what Lars von truer movies and keep him away
from water movies. And also he's in a movie called
Time Code where he's married to staff from Burrows but
he gets shot by Jeanie Tripplehorn.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
We should we should watch this film.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
And also he's in another one with Samuel Jackson called
No Good Deed and uh, yeah, he's shot repeatedly by
cops with Milajovivich and Samuel L.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Jackson.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
So he keeps popping. Oh so he's in Dominion too.
Does he die in Dominion?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Uh? The Exorcist pretty cool?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah? That Rennie reads directed.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Many Yeah, yeah, the like the prope.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
This one, this one didn't stick just but but but
would you go back to not not the scene in
chapter twenty two, but the scene with the with the
dark and she had a strip? Didn't she have a
rubber shoes on? She had shoes on? So why yes?

(12:39):
Why strip?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
So Renny Hard he said he got a note from
the studio, That's what he said. Rennie said he got
a note from higher ups that they had to do it,
and so they hired a body double for it. But
then soft fron burls like, I don't know how much
you're going to show. So I want to be in Like,
I want to be in this because I don't know

(13:03):
what exactly they're going to show of me, so I
want to have like control of it. So she did
the scene, so they tossed it in. She didn't know
about it, and then they got a body double. She
didn't want that, so then she did the scene and
electrocutes the shark. But she did have rubber shoes on.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, sorry, be more cautious. Maybe just extra extra layers
of rubber or more insulation. Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
She's ice cold too.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
If you think about it, when you're battling a genetically
modified shark in a sinking, you know, place in the
middle of the ocean, and this super smart sharks attacking you,
and you're like, I should do two layers of rubber
before I electrocute this. That's something like she's got some
pretty good awareness going on here.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I don't think I could be that calm.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
She didn't. Actually, she couldn't have watched Josh too, because
because I remember, I don't remember Roady having anything rob on.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
No, yeah, you're right, I mean it's a boat. I
don't think she's a fan of the Jews franchise because
she didn't recognize the number plate from taking out of
the Tiger Show.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Wait does the Jazz franchise exist in this world?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's never It's the same number plate. So I feel like, yeah, hey,
that's funny. That's the same number plate from the from Jaws.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
That a real like meta scene if Goggin's is like, hey,
that's the same number plate, just calling it out in
the film.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But I mean Rennie did want to kill the sharks
like they're killed in a way. Yeah, they blow up
in the first one, what electrocute the third one and
then blow up again.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
They should have had four so they could stab it
with a boat.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh but you know, never been a fourth.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
We we have a self spot for jose the Revenge
on this show. We do enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
It's like Jaws is my favorite film, deeply see is
my favorite movie, and depending on the day, Jaws the
Revenge is my favorite flick.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Oh, because it's like.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Have you seen it follows? It's basically like a shark
with a psychic link following this lady or this family around.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I name it did like the GPS shock in
the book.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, GPS Shark Oh nice, Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah.
Did you ever read the novelization for it when you
were prepping for your book.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
And not the fourth one? No repeat this book but
not the I have it in my in my shell ship.
It was besides me, but I haven't read it. I
got it.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I know voodoo was involved.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, absolutely, why not.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Indeed.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It's just I love how Steven Spielberg makes like a
creature feature. Then they just get a ton of sequel
out of it, a varying you know, goodness. Like there's
Jurassic Park and that whole world, and then there's Jaws,
I mean Jaws two rules though you Christian, you like
Jaws two?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I do. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
It gets better every time I watch it. I always
in my in my memory it's terrible, and then in
my watch it it's pretty fun. This is pretty great.
And then a few months get by and huh, just
too kind of sucks, and I watch it against Oh
this is great. It's just yeah, it's a weird film
for me, but to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, and you have the kids, I like I like
that as the teenagers in it.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
It's you know, Jaws.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You know, when you're eight years old, you like Quinn,
but you know a little some of that stuff goes
over your head. So when there's kids on screen and
like Jaws to a lot of it, you're kind of
I don't know, I felt I probably watched that more
growing up.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I think deep down I knew Jaws was better, but.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I kind of liked, you know, I thought Jaws two
was probably more accessible for for little me.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
And and any nobody mentioned there. Yeah, because actually I
think that's the most fun one. It's good that. Also,
if you watch Deep you see was because someone seems
that it's taken from that. Yeah, which one's especial the
scene with Stennis Coscar Yeah, the glass, Yeah, that's in
the facility.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
We needed more water skiers in Deep Blue cy. That'd
been great.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's how they get to the island.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
But you have watched it, make to haven't you.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Makes the trend? She ha love it.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
When I heard that the guy who was directing Meg
to what what's his name?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Meg Ben Wheatley.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
When I read that the guy who did Kill List
and Sight Seers is going to direct a Shark movie
with Jason Statham. I think that was just probably the
happiest day of that year because I'm like, what is
this going to be? And then it was crazy the
Mariana trench. She's just down there. What do you what
do you think about the meg franchise? Are you a
mag franchise fan?

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And I'm fans. I think that's it's quite funny. I
think that's entertaining. And have you read the books? No?

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I have one of them signed. I have like the
my wife got them for me and it's up on
my library. So I haven't read them yet, but I
have them.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I read the first one and I think that the
book is better than the movie actually, but the movies
is fun. It's it's so many Jaws references that you
lost count in the movies and the number two is
just playing crazy. You saw the dinosaurs in the in
the beginning, which actually is from some book one, and
you also saw that they fight with the job. You

(18:40):
know that the what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Helicopter?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, the helicopter. You know that the thing he's killing,
the Yakut is just one mon He's just lifting it
and the shock is jumping on it. Socialist strange, but
it's fun. It's very fun.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I like, well, I guess when you have a big
shark movie, you gotta go weird with it.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, totally. Well, but yeah, that's a lot of weird
shark movies out there. And then and Make two is
not the weirdest one.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'll tell you what's what's what's the weirdst one? So
I tell us what's what's We've covered, Like, we've covered
ghost shark, We've covered house shark, We've covered.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's a normal one.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, yeah, concrete sorry, concrete shark.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Haven't I saw you were a newscaster in that one?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah? I was. Have you Have you watched any of
the Russian that it's unusually, it's terrible. He made all
the special effects in the in the program called Paint
you know what? And and his most expensive movie was
casting him like fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I love it if you can.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, he's a terrific guy. He's a young guy. And
interviewed him from a book. You're going to read the
interview in the when when you get the book. But
the most strange movie I've ever seen is the one
called the Shark dem he watched on Sure, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Add that right now.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
That's so strange. I have never seen anything like it.
And anyway, have you watched the knock Sharks and the
Knocker Sharks.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Long where to go?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
With where to go? But Chuck Demick. When you watch it,
it's it's strange. It's confusing. And but that's especially one
scene in the bathroom. And you can beat this thing
out if you don't want it on your podcast. But
you're seeing a guy going into the bathroom, and in

(20:36):
the bathroom you see another guy lying on the floor
fighting a doll, a little plastic doll, and suddenly the
plastic doll is coming to life and it's jumping on
his head and it's now you can beat it sculfing him.
Then he's the dull on his face? What yes, what?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, it's a thing the Japanese sounds pretty weird.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah it is. It's totally weird. It's just like
I got a got a Blu ray release, so I haven't.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Somewhere it's twenty bucks, I might, I might as well
as get it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
So we we've just cover a hot spring Shark attack
is our first.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I haven't haven't bought that yet, and it should be fun.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's great and we loved it. Yeah, and that's that's
give us some places. That's pretty weird. But there's no nothing.
What you described.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Shark demic. I like that.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
So like, what what what inspired you to start the book?
Like where did this journey begin for you?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
The journeys it goes a long time back. It goes
back to my father. He introduced me to two movies
in the theaters. We had a tradition if if Christmas
wore going to the movies and watching movies. So there
was that at the time. With my interest in movies came.
And then suddenly one day my father talked, He just

(22:09):
what's at the one movie? And he said, oh, yeah,
I was terrified of this. You know the big guy
steal thieves. Oh his name is Jaws. And telling my
father told me, yeah, there's another things called Jaws. It
is another movie about a shark. And then I had
to watch that. I was probably too young, but that
was the first time I had any experiences with sharks

(22:32):
and movies. But in that's not really nothing to do
with the book, but that's what the start. And later
on I watched more and more movies and I got
in touch with some guys who was making a film
from me as that the theaters, and he asked me, yeah,
you know a lot of our movies. Could you do

(22:52):
you have time to come by and just introduce some movies?
And so why not? And the first movie I introduced
was The mag twenty eighteen. And then I just start
starting watching more and more shark movies. It isn't like
I have seen perhaps twenty shark movies or something like that.
And then the Snowball was just rolling and they after

(23:16):
I watched it, like one hundred and fifty movies or
something like that, people ask me, why don't you want
write a book about what you're talking about all the
time you are making appearanceing in theater talking about it.
Why not write a book? And my life is communication.
In my professional life, I work with communication, so why not?
So I wrote a book. It took two years, but

(23:40):
it's somewhat some part of it was fun.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
It's some worth it.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, it was worth it, yeah, yeah, but it's it's
it's been a long journey. Was the first the copy
of them that the book was there was one hundred
and sixty shark movies. It was from the thirty one
to twenty one, nineteen thirty one to twenty one. I
take every movie for nineteen years, and since then I

(24:06):
have revised it two times and the last one you
see in it for similar and so nowadays it's complete
with all shark moves from nineteen thirty one to twenty
twenty four. Can you talk excellent?

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Like we want people to read the book.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
We don't want to spoil anything for people, but you
talk about the evolution of shark movies from thirty one
to twenty one.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, I would love to hear check on a journey.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah I would, But I would love
like the cliff notes version for the show. You know,
I want to read the book, but I also just
find it interesting to just know how the shark movie
has evolved, or sharks in cinema have a lot and.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
At that the book book covers how that the sharks
come into the the in the Psilu screen and bag
in nineteen thirty one with the first shark movie as
I call it, it's this the movie called Taboo from Mona.
You know the guy behind the indsthral Asa. Oh yeah,
that's also where you see that that the first shark,
the practical shack. For the first time, it's just a

(25:05):
little robber thing in the water. But then you from
there on, you move on. I go through all the
different phases of the Shark movies. So yeah, and in
the beginning, there's also something about the real sharks. If
you want to know a little bit about real sharks.
I have an interview with a guy who knows everyone

(25:26):
thing about sharks, so he also had a little bit
of facts on the real sharks. But it's problemarily about
the journey through the movie history, and also a little
about how the movie history began, because Sharks was always
almost in the beginning, so that's a little bit history.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Also, though that's cool, what do you think about the
scene and tomb Raider to the Cradle of Life where
Angelia Julie punches the shark in the face and then
rides it to the surface.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm not a huge fan of the movies, so now
that's that's a lot of stupid. That's that was also
some of the difficulty I had when I wrote the book.
When do a movie qualify to be in the In
my book, so it's my own definition when a Shark
movies a shark movie. So I also have a very

(26:20):
interesting in the case with the c I also have
the Peter Business movie. You know, The Creature, so, which
is actually the first one who was talking about Q
and cancer in the in the movie, not the book,
but in the movie. So it's it came out a
year before, I think.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So, and Shark Attack was a couple of months earlier,
and that had the same thing in that with.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually a main list just a bit
before at Joint. You're here to see how many movies
it was inspired by. Deep here that's cried a lot. Yeah,
so you have the Creature is not inspired by because
it was before we have sharks at She may mentioned
with the cast fine in the lead Brogue, Yeah, Star Troops. Yeah,

(27:06):
and you have have you seen watched the hammerheadad? Yeahs
called some stage, it's called the shack Man.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's on the lest we haven't got that yet.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Jeff Combs And in one of the leads it's Jeffrey Combs.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah we get, we'll get.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
He's trying to cancer also because he has a son
who's at the ill and yeah, it's not going well.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Turns them into a Hammerhead Shark.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Sure, Yeah, it does. Try google it and look at
the photos.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Never trust Jeffrey Cones and Combs and science. Nothing good
happens when Jeffrey comes is around science. Yeah, Zombies, Hammerhead kids, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Ren animated cats, the number two of which one one
of the re anim What was with the hit It
was combined with the bat Wings.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I only watched the first one, so I didn't I
need to explore the rest of the franchise now. Also,
what Rise of the Planet of the Apes is about
genetically modifying what apes? Secure Alzheimer's Yeah in the beginning, Yeah, yeah.
And then what Jurassic World. I like how Deep Blue
Sea's really drew inspiration from Jurassic Park. And I'm saying

(28:28):
drew inspiration livery because it just kind of knocks it off,
But I I and then I like that Durastic World
has a lot more in common with Deep Blue Sea.
Like there's the Rakish shark, you know, Dinosaur Wrangler, there's
the Secret Experimentation exploding helicopters.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
That's a big thing is that I don't done much
results on it, but in almost every new Shark moves,
that's helicopters exploding. And it was from what's your two
the first one?

Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
So we've had as a podcast that they could be
exploding helicopter podcast, and we've had the guy Will Slayter
as a friend of the show. He's been a few
times to talk me talk about the shock explosion in
DeepC for the first time round. But we've covered a
few films with him, like a Tank has One, Shark
Attacks has as. Yeah, he's got a list of I

(29:19):
think about twenty films at this point there are shark
films with exploding helicopters in them. So yeah, there's there's
a bunch. That's quite a lot out there.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Then that helicopter scene in Jaws two got me good.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah did you see that? That the real scene that
the manuscript for the first one, That the one that
didn't actually put in a movie that's been even longer
and even more than medic Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
What happens? Does does a guy get eaten?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah? She had a lot of underwater stuff also.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, if you're producing a movie that, I can see
why that gets cut because that would be kind of expensive.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, very expensive. Have you ever watched the Chinese shark movies?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
No, yeah, it's no. Then you have to see the
one called the sus shock is also the thing in
a In English it is called a horror shock or
blood shock. That's at King Rivoff of Actually whoa, all right,
how about how about this?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
So you've watched like what's a great shark starter guide
of like obscure shark movies from around the world, you
would recommend.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
For obscure and not that it not good, but I.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Mean like no, like just underwatched or undervalued or more
people need to watch. Like what are some like shark
movies from around the world that you would recommend that
maybe haven't been watched enough.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Or appreciated. Bait Bait the Australian one. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's connected to depluc also, but Bait it's a great movie.
It's also on my top five. And then I think
that's have you ever did you watch that? The bat
shad c G that's the name of it.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Not yeah, not yeah, again it's on the list. We've
got a long list.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I should see that. That's very fun. It's it's it's
like a like like for the horror movies that were
there was Scream but you you know that the thing
where you know anything about the genre. There wasn't know
that and then Betty Sharks. That's that's quite fun. House Shark.
I think that's that's the fun one you need to
watch because there's also because of the all the references

(31:30):
to to to Jos. But movies like Open Water, the Reef,
great great movies, the first one, not the so called sequels,
but the first one.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
That's a that's a stress bomb. Open Water that's a
very even when you've watched it and you know what's
gonna happen, you just live in that for a long
It's a very smart idea because you just live in
that scene.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah. And that's also the thing is that it had
really happened. That's also, yeah, quite interesting. Also that the
guys behind them, that the director, that the cobble who
made it very ic interesting.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah's a reef. I like the Reef is good as well.
I like that movie.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know what I like about Bait is like Deep
Blue Seas pretty easy. It's just they're doing some testing,
it goes wrong and sharks want to escape. You know, Jaws,
there's a shark attacking this coastal town. But in Bait,
I feel like, you know, we talked about this with
Maria Lewis. She's making the director of the untitled Shark movies.
She's from Australia. We're talking about Bait and what I
love is like, there's about eighteen plots in Bait. I

(32:37):
kind of like there's there's robbers, there's a father daughter,
there's a couple who's broken up. There's a couple in
a car park with sharks. There's an ex boyfriend who
gets in like a metal cage. I like this the
sheer amount of plot and characters in Bait.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
We don't get a lot of that with Deep Blue
Cy like they have some on you get like, is
this like a romance gonna happen between Cosser and Susan, Yeah,
as a friend ship between Color and Scoggins, as kind
of Scuggins and and prea check friendship. Like Russell comes
in and tries to like our Alpha of Carcera and
doesn't really work. But as soon as the shocks start attacking,

(33:12):
it would just gets dropped. It's no, forget, it's his
our priority. We're gonna get out. We're not gonna get
out of here. Okay, it's just because you know the
whole uh Janis is pregnant in dedeated scenes. Get out
of the film, don't need it, not necessary, get it
out of here.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
And there's no yeah like Jay, there's no secondary antagonist either,
like no one becomes bad, Russell doesn't become bad. There's
no Paul Riser from Aliens. Right, it's just everyone's like,
we're gonna work together. Now they're like yeah, okay, and
then they all work together. So it's it's very lean
and mean, which I think adds a lot to the
the rewatchability of it because you can just put it

(33:50):
on and go through it. But yeah, I do love
Bait though, because there's just so many little plot lines
in that grocery store, and it makes me happy whenever
I watch it.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
A Robbert Secret Thief. No one knows w.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
That was a lot of homage to pro bait, you
know that with the the shark in the inside, something
in in in the hallway. And you also have you
watched again, you didn't watch the Chinese movie. That's a
Chinese movie called Escape of Shark. That's a rip off
of Bait. That's not in a in a in a
grocery well call it super market, but it's in a.

(34:26):
I think it's a hotel that's with tsami and there's
a lot of almost a total rib of bait, but
also some people seeing it with the hallway with the
sharks swimming it through.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
What I uh, I can't. I want to hear what
your thought about this movie I came up with. It's
called Sharks in Sweden starring Dolph Landern.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
He's been sharklike.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, shark clake yeah, or he just dumb yeah,
And so this is the plot.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
He's uh security and he's there's this big gala event
and an aquarium and the owner has like purchased an
absurd amount of sharks and eels and barracudahs and just
every like lionfish, just every deadly shark fish you could,
creature crabs, you could put into a museum, just loaded

(35:19):
it up. And they have this big jewelry event or
whatever to something a big auction, and it gets robbed
and all of the they get everyone gets locked in
and then all the cages like explode. So then it's
all these people out of this auction and like with
deadly sharks swimming around inside this aquarium with a bunch
of thieves by led by like Gary Oldman or something.

(35:39):
I don't know, but it's like, but then Dulph Lungern
has to battle sharks. He has to battle like Gary
Oldman's crew, and then like rescue people.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
It's kind of like.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Command performance, but he's not in a band in that
so yeah, just by like, yeah, he has to rescue
people while battling sharks and an aquarium and also stop.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
It's like Dieharden aquarium.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
There it is Olden, Gary obins a stretch. At this point,
I feel like I feel like co Houser Coluser.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
There it is yeah, yeah, there it is cole Houser
and Gulf Lunger and has to stop that.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's die hard co Houser.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No offense to co House just for like Gary Albens
not doing shark in an aquarium and he's.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Doing slow horses and stuff. What do you think about
that idea?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I think that's my movie. I want to watch with
a big smile on my face.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, because it's it's good.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's like you've been pitching this film for a decade,
Mark make it.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah right it stop pitching the film.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I just need to get more comment I'm trying to
write a book too, and I just got to get
over myself and do it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
So you don't need to need that much money to
make a shock movie. Just what's my colonia and the
guys they would using like a few thousand dollars and
then you have a movie.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I teach film. I should get some of my students
to for free. Be like, guys, we're making a movie
and you're not getting I'm not paying you anything. It's experience.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You can call yourself an associate producer and we'll go
make this shark movie.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
They welcome the film, they get, they get any that's it.
You them working on it, that's the that's the payment.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
When I worked in the industry for years, one of
my I was never able to. But I always wanted
to go to maybe.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Like South Africa or Australia, work on a documentary for
like Shark Week about sharks.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
But I never got.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I think the sole shark movie I no. I worked
on Anchorman two and that has sharks in it, but
it's not a shark movie. Yeah, okay, so that's the
closest I came to working on a shark feature. There's
some good shark work in that there's a whole sub
plot about sharks in that movie.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
With Jack. So do you is Shacquia? Thing is your shankas?
What is it? That's shock movies. That's the thing you
want to watch. You watch a movie, a good movie,
and then we do with a shock.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Movie creature features. Yeah, yeah, like just crawl Piranha alligator.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Like you know, I think my first love growing up
was like Willow and Return of the Jedi with that
rank or and then Willow with the dragons and the trolls,
and like, I think I just fell in love with
monsters through that that little chessboard and a New Hope
where the monsters are Like I can trace everything back
to those movies. And then since then, you know, whenever
like a Lake Placid came out or a Deep Rising

(38:18):
or whatever creature feature comes out, I just want to
watch it.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I really do. I got Zilla films. I love Godzilla
can calm you know.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
It should it be it? Should it be special effects?
Those should to be a giants should be precture gold.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
If I made something I would try to be as
it would just be practical as possible.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
But that's the most expensive part.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, exactly, that's why I like, because I wouldn't. But
I also, you know, I think people learn some of
the wrong lessons from Jaws an Alien because you know,
they don't show much of it. But you know, the
shark didn't work in an Alien. If you showed more
the Xenomorph, it would have looked silly. So I don't
want to just purposely make a movie where I don't
show the creature much. I think I would want to

(39:01):
come up with something where the creature looks pretty.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Good, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So, yeah, I love creature. I love creature features, but
I also love disaster movies like Carrying Inferno Side and
adventure like a small group of people trapped trying to
get out, and Deep Blue c is kind of that
perfect hybrid of creature feature and disaster survival trying to
get out, slowly whittling the cars down.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
So thet yeah, there was kind of a monster intillig monsters, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Sure, yes, humans And you know, the nineties, like the
nineties had some great you know, it was like Armageddon,
Deep Impact, but then there was also Deep Rising, Anaconda,
the Relic. So I think, you know, this movie probably
exists because of a mixture of like destruction movies because
Armageddon was big and then also like the rise of

(39:50):
the cheap creature features that were doing well. So I
kind of liked that it was you know, it followed
certain trends, but it just it far out out, like
we don't really get many eighty million dollars shark adult
R rated shark movies like this anymore, and that's understandable,
but I think that's why I love it, because they
just gave Renny Harlan a lot of money to go
make a pretty cool looking movie.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, that's it. Also, in spite of him having two
or three moves, it hasn't been the success, so it
was kind of a chance that took. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yeah, also, oh sorry you go just.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
When you're talking about it the nineties and shock movies,
because shock moves had a big downfall in the in
the nineties and every bother was thinking about shock moves
and I know, we don't all make that. And then
keep luc came in, like it didn't make a huge boost,
but it was the beginning of the new era of
shock movies. So we don't Deep blue ce who haven't

(40:48):
seen all the chockmoons we see there today, So deep
a stal having a huge impact in in the in
the Shock movie in the Street Today and.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
It made a lot of money in theaters.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I was working in theater when it came out, and
people really were going crazy for it. And we're talking.
It was released with like Blair Witch Projects, sixth Sense
like it. You know, it opened up in the summer
here in the States and Jay did. I don't know
when it opened up for you in the UK.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
But it it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It made one hundred and seventy million worldwide in a
very busy year with Phantom, Menace Matrix like, so it
definitely opened doors because open Water was what four maybe three?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah? I think three? Do you think? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
So yeah, maybe it did.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
It was no one didn't make any money and inside
of dec but yeah, it did make money because it
was because it didn't cost any money problem to make.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It was October Lease in the UK. Okay, I was
too young. I think it's so I was twelve.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah one for uh, I don't know, Multiple Story two.
That's how I got into the Frighteners. I bought a
ticket for Multiplicity with Michael Keaton where he clones himself
and then I snucked.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Which one is he yeah, oh yeah, he's crazy in
that movie. I love the Frighteners.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
But another thing about Deep Blue C is, you know,
like water World kind of flop because they shot on
the ocean, and you know, Titanic went massively over budget,
and I think, you know Cutthroat Islands running Harland famously,
that movie went way over budget. So I kind of
liked that. Warner Brothers and a Kiva Goldsman. You know,
Harlan made prison, he made cheap movies. He made Nightmare

(42:36):
on Elm Street four that didn't have a big budget.
So I kind of I think Deep Blue C works
really well is because he had a good script, he
had good actors, but he also had like a little
bit of studio oversight. I think with Cutthroat Island he
was kind of a blank check movie and so he
just went a little insane. So I think, you know,
they they went to Rosary in Mexico the Titanic tanks.
I think they did it intelligently, if like, if that

(42:58):
makes sense. They had won't Kanti make the sho sharks,
and I know Rennie said it was hard to make,
but I you know, anytime you're shooting.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
In water with practical sharks.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's hard to make, but I thought, I think it
just I think this is kind of his best where
he kind of was licking his wounds from his other
two movies and he had something to prove with this,
and then we get Deep Blue.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
C So it's it's ah. And I think for years too,
so many people said it's so bad, it's good, but
I just Jay and I say it's so good. It's good,
Like I don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I totally agree, it's so good. It's good.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, why do you think shark movies have a stigma?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think, like the Meg doesn't have the highest like
a lot of these movies don't have like the biggest scores.
Like why are they just looked at it as kind
of cheesy? Or like are they all Jaws rip offs?
Like what's from your experience? Yeah, when you have.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Watched so many as Shagan was as I have, it's yeah,
it's you could see Jaws in bost of them, even
though even the movies befall Jaws. But I think that's
it's because it's cheaply made. There's so many bad ones
and and it's it's kind of a joke. Then after

(44:09):
the silent produced that the Sharknado movies. Then it totally
gets got too wild, and then nobody could appreciate a
good shark movie. I know. I haven't watched the new
one that the Dangerous Animals. Well I heard good things
about good Yeah, okay, yeah, so I didn't watch it
in the theater, and I'm gonna wait to its on

(44:30):
some physical DVD or whatever it's coming out on. But
we haven't watched too many really good studio movies. That's that,
the low key movies like The Reven, Open Water and
stuff like that. But yeah, and and and the thing
is that if I talk to my friends about shark
movies and they just laugh on me. Yeah, that's Shargnado.
That's that. That's a possession of my shark movies. That's Sharknado.

(44:53):
And then I talk about all the good movies and
they never heard about it. Yeah, they heard about Jaws.
They've probably seen it at some time. But yeah, I
can't understand me because Jaws, no matter what you say,
that's that's tough five movie in the world, any any show.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, and it's kind of unfair too, like it always
bothers me when someone makes one of the greatest films ever.
And then someone goes like they watch a shark movie
and they're like, Jaws is better. I'm like, yeah, but
Jaws is better than everything, Like you can't, like you
should every I think Jaws two should be the movie
that shark movies are compared to, not Jaws. It's like, hey,

(45:33):
I watch this Creature feature. Yeah, aliens better? Well yeah, yeah,
like sure, Like does that mean that? Like so it's
not an all time great movie and that means it's bad.
So I think we need to like have more like
as opposed to comparing it to Jurassic Park or Jaws.
We should probably be like, is as good as Jaws two?

(45:53):
Like I think that's like the good the good barometer
right there of quality. It's like better worship.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Is a normal.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's like, accidentally one of the best films in the world.
You can't yeah, you can't compare to that.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I agree, I.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Agree, But yeah, I mean Deep Blue Sea rules because
Rennie he wanted to show the sharks.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
He's like, I got sharks.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
We're showing him showed from the first scene. There's nothing
hiding there. That's the shock mouth.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
A kitchen fight with ll Cool j versus a shark. Okay, Christian,
I have a very important question for you. Which movie
features the better kitchen fight? Jurassic Park or Deep Blue Sea.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Oh that's a tough one. Oh mmm, I probably I
should say Deeper See because it's a shark movie. I
think that's I'm going to go with the Jurassic Pipe
because it's the longest scene. It's the longest scene.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
That is the correct It's the point of contention between
Mark and I as to which one's better.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
However, I think of the kitchen fighting Gremlins is the
all timer kitchen fight.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
It's great, Yeah, because miss.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Pelter destroys those grounds, like you don't see that coming.
She becomes like a gladiator and she uses like a
TV tray and a knife and like she just takes
it to those gremlins.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
And I love that scene.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
So fit a shark in a blender a microwave.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, she puts one in a blender, she microwaves one,
and then she stabs one to death.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Like it's a brutal. That's a brute. I wonder there's
a PG thirteen rating.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
It was like partly that friend a bruise movie.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, yeah, I remember watching that like and just I
have an appreciation of missus Pelter.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Now, so we do briefly see a shark in this chapter,
not not much of one, but there is a shark
fin oh yeah, down a corridor briefly in this chapter.
And I was trying to think, which shark is this?
Where is that shark going? Is this the shark?

Speaker 4 (47:48):
This?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think must be the shark heading for Susan. Yeah,
the office, But we've always assumed that shark was already
in her office waiting for her.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Because it is, but waits till she gets to her thing.
So it's got it's on its way, right.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
She has to don't you see that the door? When
did the shark come in? Or is it the kitchen?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Sce just that's the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
The door opens up.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
That's the best.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
The sharks is waiting for her to get her research
so she can.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah. Mark's done a ranking of every door opening in
the film because there's there's so many. There's like over
thirty shots of doors opening in this film, and I
think one of the best ones is the shark going
through the kitchen door. But we we we we miss
a couple. We're cheated from a couple of door openings
in this chapter because when we when we fit see it,

(48:45):
you have the camera panning down from the level they're
on through the water so that they go into and
both those doors are shut. So we've missed out on
seeing those doors open and close. They could have been
even more, were denied more door opens.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
But then they have the the Ben Gardener's scene instead. Yes, yeah,
so that's yeah. I totally forgot it when when I
watched it last week, So I got the little jump scare.
Oh damn again.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
What would you have laughed if he still had the
mask on his mouth and was still alive.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I think that's what he didn't too, stupid.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, right, he's.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Got out of the gurney. He's just like hanging out,
hanging out down there, waiting, breathing, trying to trying to
do the bilge pump thing that they're waiting for.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I love how Carter has to like he sees this
and service and scream. It's a great it's a great scream,
screams going.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It's interesting that he's waiting to scream, because the normal
direction would be to scream underwater. She did a lot
of movies also, so he's waiting to scream, so had
a lot of evidence. Yeah, he's a pro.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
I want to scream, but I can't get rid all
this air in my lungs and start yelling.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And then yeah, Scoggins is going to eat it pretty
soon here, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Also and screams screaming where he got there really quickly?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yeah? Did he just?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Is he screaming? Because God is screaming? He can't have
seen Jim as well because he just he went straight there.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
He's going to be eaten like in a few minutes,
isn't he.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Oh yeah, even he's just kind of killed just to
kill him and away.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, and then Carter has to open that Wait does
this shark? Okay, So the shark knows that they're going
to do this, correct because it's waiting. So then it
kills Carter, and it you know, it kills Skoggins, and
then it waits for Card to open the door to
flood more of the facility.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
And then flood even more later on, like the area
that the chamber the flood to go up, he needs
to flood the rest of the.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, it wasn't the idea you see in the in
the end of the movie when you talk about the
intelligence is going to front everything using the people to
run around to open the doors.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, it's quite love how the sharks can distinguish between
the two. They know which one is Carter, he's going
to be able to do this, which one's kind of
the useless Scoggins because if they if they turn out
Carter in the few scenes, everyone just dies.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
If with Scoggins, Season and Breach, that's they're not doing anything.
Those three You need cotta to get out of this.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
The shark would just pick up Scoggins and swim in
to the door and be like oops, that's the way. Yeah,
just kind of bump.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Them around a little bit and be like, come on,
open the door, Scoggins, open the door.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
The shot grabs the door as that's opening it for.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
But you know, you know what's kind of I just
thought about this.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
There's a lot of creature features where you know, people
do really dumb things and die. And yes, the sharks
do get played. I mean the humans get played by
the sharks in this, But I don't think for one
second they thought, like they know the sharks are smart,
they know what cameras are the sharks have a plan

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they can break glass, but they that's something in hindsight,
you're like, man, those sharks hurd at us around the facility,
and like we let them win. But that's not something
you think about in the moment, if that makes sense.
So none of the characters come off as like super super,
for lack of a better term, dumb, because I don't
think anybody in that facility thought, yeah, we are getting

(52:40):
hurted by sharks.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
So it it's a.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Nice way of like not making the characters look too unintelligent,
which I like.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And even even if they did think, hey, these sharks
are hurting us, everything they do is still they will
probably still do the same actions. Yeah, this is how,
this is how they get out of Aguatica. There's no
there's no there's no other option.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And do the shocks actually need the humans to open
the doors. We see a lot of scenes when the
shock is just pounding down on the steel doors.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Yeah, that's the thing because the shark jumps over the
like Mako sharks can jump really high, and so those
sharks could have cleared those fences.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Outside in the real in the world of the film,
and don't think they can in the real world.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, yeah, he erased the defense for two I don't
know eight feet all, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
It will take a centime to.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I don't know how high a motor shot can jump,
but you don't have to.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
And at the end when it's just sort of digging
through the fence because it once to get through the
other stuff, but they could have, you know, I think
they want to destroy the research too though. I think
they want to make sure everyone's dead and then get
out of there, or like.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
The vengeance going on, they want to take out these
people that have been torturing them.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, and the research is destroyed. So at the end,
it's all right, the research is destroyed. I have nothing
against Preacher. I'll let him live, even though he lost
a lot of blood. I got rid of McAllister. I
can just I can get out of here too.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, Chef the kind of helped them take took them
them playing out with the Tiger Sharks. The Maker Sharks
wouldn't choke on it out. It's it's all about the
Makos everything. Yeah, he's always helping them.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
But no, no, that's I just love this movie. And
and like you said, when you were talking about shark
movies and writing writing a book.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
People kind of laughed.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
You should hear when Jay and I were like, yeah,
we have Deep Lucy, the podcast where two hundred something
episodes deep into it.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
We did the same thing with Connair and I was
talking to my my friend who was one of the
guests for Connee this morning. It's like, oh, yeah, podcast
are still did in Deeper See podcasts going well? And
he's like, well, you're still you're still doing Deep blue Cy?
How are you still talking about that one? Don't worry
about it. Fun.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, we love it, but you have also other episode
that a normal shark others.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, we kind of do. Every third episode is a
chapter of deeps and then the other two in between
shark films or films with like swimming pool scenes or
boat scenes or Raddy Harland films, anything similar to Deeposy
in some way.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Yeah, and al so we get to stuck to cool people.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, a little shark who spend their time talking to
us about the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
So, Christian, what would you say your top four shark movies?
We're having like a little running.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Spreads and I can't say, said Josh want three?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
You can.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I would say in number one will always be Josh
questions about it, and then I think that the No.
Three and four on five. It depends on the day,
but I will also have Josh two in it. I
would have deep seeing it. I would have bait in it.
I would have water in it. Then it's that that's

(56:04):
always That's five, wasn't it. Yeah, sure, yeah, but some
days I would like to have the forty seven meters
down the first one. I think that's excellent. Number two
is so crap.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
I like them. They're they're they're like sharks from the
movie The Scent.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
That's what made me happy. Yeah, I like forty so
I like the flare work in forty seven meters down.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, it's so nice. And they replicate that in the
number two. But it's too stupid, and they all have
the number two is what most of them. It's about
the celebrity daughters that that's in it, stallone daughter and
stuff like that. Yeah, and blind sharks and I ah, okay, yeah,

(56:49):
I've seen a lot of super sharks and bland shark
is not the stupidest one.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
My wife had a hard time with it because I'm like,
they don't have fin like they're just swimming down there.
She's like, I would have worked like whatever you call
it on your fins or whatever you Yeah, she's like flipper,
like why don't want She's like, why are they wearing notes?
But I just like descent sharks. I love descent. So
anything that reminds me of them, does that?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
We like when a film does something different, and so
having having blind sharks in underground cabins, that's in these films.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
It's something different.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, if you want to see something different, ships to shock, then.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's on the list.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
And then final thoughts crawl. Are you a fan of crawl?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah? Okay, good, that's that's actually something I've been saying
thinking about the writing another book that then it should
have been about croglis and alligators. But that's too many movies.
Also talked about the snakes and snake sash damn so
many snakes movies. Yeah, yes, but I love crawl. That's
that's that's a fun movie. That's a fun movie and

(57:50):
should be a crawl too. Now. I heard that room
about it.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Right, why not shoot?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Just have more hurricanes in Florida and with alligators being
pushed in the crawl space it's like why not.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Yeah, have you seen up? Have you seen swim? Swim?

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Is that one in the swimming pool?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That that that's that's the other thinking about the pool.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Yeah, that one's messed up.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, I think I think in shock movies that's what
shock moves called swim. I think it's from Is it
a shot? I think it's that's also with a hurricane
pushing shocked into a house and his shock is taking
people into house.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Oh, we haven't seen that one yet, but we will
put it on the list.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Okay, I guess it.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, it's it's not a good one, but.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
It's on too.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Bit's written by Anthony Franti, who did who did the shot?
Loado Films?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Excellent Cruel too apparently was it was rumored to be
Alexandraja and be released this year, but I don't think.
Oh I'm not sure. How how come on people make
it sure that that news is now? It was?

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Yeah, and then haven't make another prom film too?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Russ three four double D?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, he didn't do that one.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Wait four D?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
It would be like three.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Three four D. They have like the fish flying around
the theater and like you know.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
At the end of three Double D They Can Walk.
I watched it. I watched it recently, so I don't
want any more of those films.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Three Terrible, fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
And then about the six set of Shock Atteck and
the Walking with the Hits using lot the like us legs. Yeah, yeah, sure,
I haven't watched that one yet.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
I know about its touch, but yeah, well, hey, thank
you so much for joining us. This is awesome and uh,
you know, well it's fun talking to someone who's watched
probably five times the amount of shark films that we have,
So it's fun we have chatting with you about all
this and building up my list for the future.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
So because we're not going anywhere, we want to keep
talking about shark movies. So it's always one to have more, more,
more movies to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, but some of them are tough to go through
it sure, Okay, well we look forward to finishing them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Where can we find your I guess like Jay I could,
I'll put a link on when we post your when
we post this episode, I'll put Shark book up there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
So yeah, yeah, people can come on here and pick
this up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Well, so other than other than the book, anything you'd
like to plug anything you want to promote.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
No, it's actually come the book because in my personal
life it has nothing to do with this. That's too boring.
And the other thing I'd like to mention is that
that Severin actually renamed my book because in the in
Denmark and in the first English Werson it's called from
God to movie villain. So that's the story of the books,
and it's in the beginning Sharks was seen as a

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Scots and now it's movie villain. So that's what's the
story in the book. But they thought it was too
complicated for the for the viewers to free through. That's
what's about shock. So so there it's a shock with
an exclamation point. Yeah wow, like because I have it,

(01:01:13):
I have it here. That's the Danish one. You can
see that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
That's the dan that's a nice cover.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Oh yeah, that's a hot covey. There's also the English
one I have here in Denmark is also a hot cary,
but it's only it's with movies on till twenty twenty two.
So the seventh and one is the one is updated
to twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Well, people are excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I saw a bunch of people just really pumped, so
I oh yeah, yeah, well, hey, this is awesome, and
thank you so much for joining us and taking the
time to talk shark movies with us, and thank you
for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
That's what's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Thank you, Hey, happy to have you. I'm often think
to plug just him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Listen to the movie Sounds a flick podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Oh and also we had a guy, Scott Kay, Reverend
Scott k his podcast the Church of Taran. He just
interviewed Quentin Tarantino and it's all over the place, so
go listen to that. He's a friend of the Deep
Blue Sea Pod and he has a great interview with
Tarantino that's making all the rounds right now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
So listen to the Church of Tarantino.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Yeah, he's over two hours long. They go in depth,
he doesn't neither one of them holds back. It's an
excellent listen, So check it out. And next week on
this show, this is coming out mid October. This is
our spooky months. So next week is benefit on the
pool scene from the Faculty horror movie Lots of Water
in that film. We'll talk about it next week and

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follow this podcast all over social media at Deep Blue Seapod,
email deepot at gmail dot com. So thank you for
DeepC one chapter two. Thank you once again to our
incredible guest, Christian Parr. I have been Jake Lett, and
I'm Marklfmeyer and we'll deep blue. See you next week.

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