Episode 254 (Comedians in Boats Catching Fish)

Jay and Mark are joined by Ross Benes (@rossbenes on X) to discuss "Preacher's Legacy," the 23rd chapter of Deep Blue Sea. In this episode, they also talk about decapitated heads, 1999 horror movies, and the soundtracks of LL Cool J films. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome the Deep Blue Sea the podcast. I
am Mark the Perfect omelet Hoffmeier, and I am Jay.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is a mistake. Cluet, welcome a buddy this podcast.
On this show, we've been to the entire Deep C
Turgy scene by scene. I'm going in again with only
wonderful guests. And this is Deep C one, chapter twenty three.
What happens in DEC one Chapter twenty three, Let's have
a listen in Jenesis room. Pretty sure finds a video camera.

(00:43):
He turns it on, starts recording, and frames himself. Hello,
my name is Sherman Dudley.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
And if this message finds you, then I did not survive.
So this is my legacy. I have loved the pulpit
and I have loved the bar. I did my best
to be a good husband father. I came out wanted.
So what do I have to say to you? What

(01:14):
do I have to leave behind?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
He thinks to himself, then smiles.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
We begin with the perfect Island, which is made with
two eggs not three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Amates off and that milk for density. This is a mistake,
So that was THEBC one chapter twenty three. We need
a guest for this The shortest of the chapters. This
is very very short, fifty three seconds, seven cuts, six setups,
and one actor in this chapter. But we have a
guest who is all about nineteen ninety nine has written
a whole bok about it. In fact, it's the author

(01:47):
of nineteen ninety nine The Year Low Culture Country in
America and Kickstart thet o Bizarre Times. It's Ross Finish, Ross,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Hey man, good to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
To have you. So this chapter is very preacher heavy
and from all your research in ninety nine, do you
remember the three films that that Ella Cool Jay start.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
In one TV show.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm sorry to set you up on this.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, oh wow. Well, obviously Deep Blue c is one
of them.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yep. They're all kind of weirdly tied together. I can
give us.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Something, but that's not a hint.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
That is, I can't.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I can't think of what the other ones are. One's
a football movie, Oh, any given Sunday yep.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
And then the other one he plays a character called
God who he's he's into?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh, he's in Too Deep? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I've
been a long time since I've seen in Too Deep? Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Is most favorite fact is how these films are all
tied together because in any given Sunday he plays for
a team called the Sharks, and Into Deep plays the
character of God and Deeply see there are Sharks and
his character of a preacher. But it was also in
the TV show In the House, which one episode in
nineteen ninety nine he is accused of killing a fish,
which is how I like to tie them to go.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Sorry to drop a really hard quiz on you to
ye yah.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, you had to give me the clues. But I
have seen those movies and I was fond of Into
Deep at the time.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
It was just something different, right, like good cast, good soundtrack, Oh.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, oh, any any movie that's got l it is
going to have a good soundtrack.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And like, let's see, you know, does Halloween h two
have a good soundtrack? I think they have a Creed
song some Flies the Fly that Creed was everywhere in
ninety every soundtrack back, like Screen two, this, I think
Urban Legend. They had a song if you were watching
horror movies and the two late nineties two thousands, there
was a Creed song.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Which is you know, I don't I don't really think
of Creed making horror movie music. It's like it's like
Christian rock sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You know, there's any three there's any three songs on
IMDb's H two soundtrack. And so you've got Creed. What's this?
I thought you got Sabelle was Happy and the Cordets
with mister Sandman.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
In a Halloween movie.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, but that's not the original though. Is the Cad
the original and Metallica the remake? I don't know. I'm
not a music guy. Interesting is a totally different to
what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So I love their there they did what's that Whiskey
and a Jar? That's a great not like a remake song,
that's a great cover. I would love to hear them
cover mister Sandman. Yeah, I don't even know how that
would be. I'm with that they that would be great.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Into some man, good on it?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Jay? Okay, oh that was good Metallic Yeah, now I
want to listen to the Whiskey and a Jar. Yeah. No,
Creed was everywhere, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Screen I associated them with the dihod Ful. We talked
about it a lot. Yeah, because Credence, sorry, Credence, Creed
clear Water.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Again.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I'm not good. I'm not a music guy, this is
I'm just wrong about it.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
The best creat thing is when they did the halftime
show for the Dallas Cowboys game. I think this was
a few years later in the early two thousands. They
have like people suspended from the rafters like their angels.
I think they're playing the song higher and they're like
just like going across the whole stadium with these like
circus theatrics. It's it's really bizarre. I love it though.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Wow. I mean, if you're gonna do a halftime show,
they did some like arena rock belters, Creed did, so
it's like people could sing with Creed back then.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh yeah, it works very well. It's just like there's
like randmomic gymnastics happening. Like it's a lot of stuff happening.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, now we need a metallic a one with the
same exact style. Doesn't have to blend. But that'd be
actually CCRs having a good twenty twenty five they were
in Dangerous Animals and then there's a cover of them
from another song for another movie going on.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I just don't think we can have a band called
Creed and the band Creed. You shouldn't be allowed to
have that that's that's always today as first to him
learning that Creed is a different.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Band thirty years apart.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, that's fair, But I'm looking through those songs that
I didn't recognize.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Any Arms wide Open. They had a lot of stuff
about like taking you higher and opening your arms.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I'd probably need if I heard it, i'd proget Oh
that that one, okay, but I'm not.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, it was everywhere in the late nineties. Yeah, Human Clay.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well that was the album, right Human.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Because you can mold them. Oh mahn, all right, I'm
gonna go for a bike ride today. Angel. Listen to
Creed take It'll Take Me Higher. I feel like no,
that was Google dolls from City of Angels. Sorry, I
almost that's almost too angelic for a City of Angel
Creed on City of Angel soundtrack. I don't think that
would have worked. Yeah, I digress. Well, yeah, hey, I

(06:55):
had fun talking about Creed's legacy.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah, I could just do a Creed podcast.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I would be the wrong person to be on that show.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Sky mdb oh. One one fact about Creed though, from
the nineteen ninety nine Scott stap had a sex tape
with like kid rock group Bees back in ninety.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think, I say, with kid Rock that just sure okaya.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
With the bar so all right, So I'm looking up
some of their soundtracks here they're in twenty five of them.
And let's see they had the Skulls in two thousand,
they had Higher Scream three. What if? Oh yeah, what
if they had Roswell seen these films?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I watched the Faculty recently, I would have hurt the Zion.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
On the Faculty. They had I'm eighteen dead Man on
Campus Bound and tied. I got some beers, we should
drink them. Gota love that line what's this life for
a Holidays show? And Ode from Can Hardly Wait? Actually
is a good soundtrack. That's damn it from b linklin
E too. I feel like they're on more.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
They're on twenty two Jump Street on MDB that down
as being on recently Plan B around the Higher Dark
Waters that Mark Ruffalo and half Away from with on
What Opened the Beach Bump Higher, the Death of Dick
Long with Ones What opened.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Uh Hires getting a lot of play.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Someone sung Higher on lip Sync Battle, which is cool
J either Crystalia or Brin Brin Marin Brint Moran.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Either way, I would if simple loved my movie, my
music ironically and just played it ironically in movies to
just keep me getting paid, yes royalties, Yeah, yes, please
use my song ironically in a movie and say it's
terrible and then send me the checks, you know, like
hook me up. So yeah, I'd be selling that thing

(08:47):
all over town.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I mean, if I wish people would, you know, buy
my book ironically to use it as a door stop.
They can kindle their fireplace with it. Just buy it,
you know, buy it and to talk about how how
he buy ironically? Go for it.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Your best customer is someone who just hates ninety nine.
It's like, I'm gonna buy like forty copies and burn them,
and you're like five fifty fifty of them, show me, yeah,
by ninety nine of them.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
There you go and burn it.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like just do whatever you want with Yeah, you know
what I will. You're like, all right, sounds good? Yeah, okay, Ross,
I'm gonna hit you something real. I gotta quiz for you.
Oh boy, no, no, not a quiz. A tournament. I'm sorry.
I have a tournament of nineteen ninety nine horror films
and creature features. And there's sixteen movies here. I wonder
if I can send it to you real quick. Where's chet?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Putt in the chat? Yeah, put it in the.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Chat, and then I will send you this. Let's see
your computer. I want to see who you think is
gonna win this. And I left out deep Lucy on
purpose because Jay and I are not We can't be
objective or.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Some like ah it would win.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, So there it is. I made a sixteen team,
sixteen movie bracket. I ranked them according to IMDb scores.
And since you know ninety nine, I wanted to tight
end do something fun because this chapter is like forty
six seconds, so I three. I at least wanted to
give us something.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I just want to say something about the first round.
This reminds me of NCUBA tournament. You see a lot
of it is it five and twelve seed? I feel
like mc douba Tournament's a little bit different because you
have sixteen per So what is it? Is it five?
Is it? It's not a five that plays at twelve
in nc double A. I don't, no, you have sixteen here,
so this is like okay, yeah, So so you often

(10:33):
will see the twelve seed. Twelve seeds win quite often
in NC double A tournament, and I would pick lake Placid.
I don't. I would take that over Stir of Echoes, Okay,
like any any day. So I think that's one where
that's like a sleeper twelve seed.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I would even take Lake Placid into the next round,
like I wouldn't say it's sweet sixteen because we already
started with sixteen. I'd give him the final four are so.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Lake Placid above Audition and House and wanted.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm putting them. But from that other side though.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Sixth sense versus the Haunting, Who you got?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I think i'd go sixth sense and then blair Witch first,
idle hands? Who you got blair Witch? Because it was
just so like out there for the time.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And then so auditionally, how is blair Witch eighth seed?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's not good? On the score isn't great? Okay, we
did box office it might be two yeah yeah, but
some of these didn't get like wider releases and summer
are so I didn't want to learn enough do that,
so I went with IMDb and then let's see we
have audition House on Haunted Hill. Who you got?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Probably audition? I can't can't just pick the you know,
the low seeds every time.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Then we have stir of Echoes versus Lake Placid. Well,
lake Placid, got it. Uh, Sleepy Hollo versus Virus.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'm going to Sleepy Hollow. I actually live in Sleepy Hollow.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So that movie looks great.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
You seen virus. You seen the virus?

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I have seen virus. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Then ninth Gator Stigmata.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Uh wow, I actually Stigmata. I do think it's really cheesy,
but it caused like a little bit of an uproar
on very religious people at the time.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So I remember that. You do remember that. I remember
that too, like that went hard on. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, I'm Catholic. So I remember like like a you know,
prestpitching about it.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
That arquette up to know good okay, the Mummy versus
Astronaut's wife Mummy okay. And then End of Days.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Oh, you know, I'm going to End of Days because
that movie there's some some silly stuff and that so
Arnold Schortznigger is the star of End of Days. Yeah,
and there's a you know six six six is the
number of the beast. But the reason that it's happening
in nineteen ninety nine is they had misinterpreted the prophecy
and they do this like really cheesy graphic flash and

(13:03):
it's actually six six six is upside down. It's nine
nine nine as in nineteen ninety nine, and that's when
the apocalypse is going to happen. We had we had
it wrong this whole time. And I like that little
cheesy flip there, So I love it.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And he plays a guy called Jericho, I think, which
I kind of love cocaine.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I have never seen this film, so let me see.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
We were in the lead eight. Yeah, so Sixth Sense
first blair Witch project.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You know, it's I think it'd be a huge, huge upset.
But if we're looking at this not just as being
good movies, but being like the creature feature type things,
I think I think blair Witch because Sixth Sense is
the best horror movie in ninety nine. It's the number
two grossing movie of ninety nine. Iconic movie. But like

(13:50):
blair Witch was, Yeah, just it was so such a
unique concept at that time, and the which you never
actually like see it, Like, I think there's something powerful
to that to let your imagination create this all all
the violence and horror that happens is kind of off
camera and you see the after effects, and I think

(14:12):
that stuck with people at the time. People were actually
like they thought those kids are really dead.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, for a while, and they couldn't do press. And
I remember I was working in theater and we watched
it at like two am one night, my brother and
I and a bunch of people, and we just walked
out shell shocked. And then I remember the theater just
like exploding with people and six Sense too. Our theater
was completely packed. But yeah, yeah, Sixth Sense really knocked
my socks off and was nominated for the Best Picture

(14:36):
and all that.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
But like an amazing movie.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Blair Witch, Like when you look at the marketing and
everything so well, I like it. I like it. So
we have the eighth seed going through, Yeah, and then
we have Yeah, Jay, you kind of missed all the
marketing in the States. The marketing for blair Witch was
just really I was.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Twelve, Yeah, so I missed a lot of I was
twelve and mainly focused on doing homework, being a good boy,
and not going to that. I went to cinema two times,
and I went this Little Bake Daddy and I went
too minutes.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I'm both of those in theaters too.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah. Yeah, Big Daddy is a huge hit.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Oh yeah, I any so that because like a friend
was going and he's like, do you want to come
with me? I was like, I don't even know what
this is.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Let's gard.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
It's not a sequel of Ghosts to Mars. Ghost of
marsdn come out yet with thig Daddy. Okay, Now audition
versus Lake Placid.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
You know, going Lake Placid because again, if it's just
being like monster movie type thing here, not just like
being a good movie, but like Lake Placid is is
like a great monster movie of that era, just that
big ass alligator eating everyone. It's you know, it's not
innovative or anything like like uh Blair Witch, but I

(15:48):
I think it fits for you know, if we're doing
something that's in the vein of Deep Blue Sea, I'm
going with them.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And also, I mean ninety nine they put a lot
of money in the Deep Blue Sea and Lake Placid
and y'ea cool, Like it's pretty cool that they did that.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, it wasn't just the to be original, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Exactly without wait, lake Placid, so it would be Lake Acid. Whoa.
Actually there's a movie called Jay the bayou where yes,
recently recent alligators. There's a drug bust in the beginning,
and they pour a bunch of maybe PCP or some
kind of drug, like a whole barrel of it into

(16:28):
the water, and then the alligators get like jacked on
PCP and they're super jerks. So I kind of I
kind of love that, Okay. So then we have uh.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think here it's called Gator Creek, which, yeah, there's
a nothing one.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Called Gator Lake with like this big dude on a
boat yelling about killing a gator the whole time. And
I'm not great, Okay, Sleepy Hollow versus stigmata.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I'm sleepy Hollow because you know, anyone could interpret this
pull out however they want. But if I'm thinking, like
the Monster movie with the big bad guy headless horseman,
is you know, hard to top.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, and it looks like I know I already said it,
but that movie looks amazing.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
So the grocery store, there's a new grocery store here
in Sleepy Hollow, New York called the Chicos. It's part
of a chain, but they got a lot of like
decor associated with Sleepy Hollow, so they got like Christopher
Walkin's suit from there in the grocery store. Really, it's
like used on set. Yeah, he had like a bunch

(17:33):
of them, but they have they have his they have
his suit, and then they have like there was that
Fox TV show a few years ago that ran for
a few seasons where Sleepy Hollow is set in the
present day. They have the suit of that. But I
always like it makes me happier than it should when
I like am pushing my shopping cart past the Christopher
walking costume that's in a glass case at the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I love it. I'd i'd go there more often. It's
like when I was in California working one time, we
did like a two hour extra trip so I could
go see Fritz for Copa's Wandery with the Bromstokers Dracula costume.
That's cool, Like I gotta see that, So yeah, I
might make a trip out there. Do they have casser
Van Dene's decapitated.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Head No, Okay, they kept it very lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
He in his fridge or something. I'd love to have
a decapitated head with myself, just.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Mold like see that.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
I was in a movie called She Just Having an
ice cream fridge.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, oh, mummy or end of days mummy, okay, mummy.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh so we're down to the final four here, yeah,
Blair Witch Project versus Lake Placid.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, you know, I know it's an eight seed, but
if I already have them upsetting six cents, I'm taking
blair Witch Project to the finals. You know. I don't
know if you remember. I don't know if there's like
twenty eleven or twenty twelve, Yukon was an eight seed
in the n CUBA tournament. Kemba Walker. They would have
they wouldn't even made the NCAA tournament, but then they

(19:04):
went on a hot run and won the Big East,
like five games in five days, and then they went
undefeated in the NCAA tournament. They were they were such
a low seed to make the finals. That's what blair
Witch is doing here. They're doing the Kemba Walker NCAA
tournament run.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I love it. It's like the Steelers that one year
when they were like nine and seven or eight and eight,
and they somehow snuck in and then just won it all,
like I remember.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
And the Giants did that once too.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
All right, so we have we have Blair Witch Project
in the final. Now we'll it be let's see who
do we have. We have Sleepy Hollow versus the Mummy.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah, so as much as I'm partial to Sleepy Hollow,
the Mummy spanned its own franchise and helped give Bert
to the Rock as a star actor. So uh thanks,
thanks Mummy. So so I'm going with the Mummy.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Okay. So the final final that we have, it's the
blair Witch Project versus The Mummy, which this is. This
is a good fine.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's a good fine.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
You're nineteen ninety nine fan of cinema, and like these
types of movies, you'll be like, I like it.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's an easy choice, but it's good.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
You know, I've read I've been riding this pony for
so long. I'm going blair Witch again.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh, blair Witch. I like it, but like the little
eighty thousand dollars movie that could like, it's like a
smaller school that overperformed and then won the tournament.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I love it all right. So the the our winners
blair Witch Project. I didn't know where that was gonna go.
So I'm glad I did that.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I didn't know where it was going to go either.
Looking at it, I was like, I could have, you know,
six senses the most talented of the bond shiff if
we're putting that into sports terms. But but Blair Witch,
I think if you think of like monster type because
in sixth sense, like I'm not thinking that's like, yeah,
Bruce Willis isn't really like a monster, He's just like
a guy who's dead. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
They should put that in a synopsis, like a guy
who's a dead guy like.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
He spends his time hanging around a child.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I kind of wish you would have written like the
Astronaut's Wife to the finals, just so we would be like,
what's happening here?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
What even is that?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Because the one necess I don't even.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Recognize Johnny Depp and Charlie's there on and he comes
back and he's all weird, and Charlie Stern's like, what's
wrong with my husband?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Like Johnny Dipp's wait.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, and then the early early early Charlie's then okay something.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's a pretty decent list here though, of the horror
movies from that year.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, I wanted to I wanted to put like bats.
I wanted to put in here, but I'm like, that's
not gonna make it. Oh, even though I love Bats,
that is great.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, Bats is like we talked about putting movie money
into like Lake Placid or something. It could have been Bats,
but but it wasn't. It was like a big theatrical production.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah they put Yeah it wasn't Casper Vanna know. That
was Diana Meyer, who was in Bats my Starship Troopers cast.
I'm like missing up here, but yeah, i mean Bats. Yeah,
Lou Diamond Phillips, Diana Meyer, and Bob Gunton. Oh.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Hell.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Also, Storm in the Century came out in ninety nine,
but that was a TV show. But that scared the
crap out of me. So and actually there's a storm
in Deep Blue Sea. There's a storm and storm of
the Sentry Jay we can add to the list.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Sure, okay, you just do storm movies.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
We do a lot of movies, a lot of actually
a lot of the excluding films that a see, they
often tend to just have a storm in them. Yeah,
a lot of a lot of like, oh, we're stuck
here because of the storm happens in a lot of
these films.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Has been it's an easy without a storm or like
a roadgue wave, like the reef doesn't have.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
A storm finding Nemo doesn't have a storm shot mostly animated,
one story.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know. I love the perfect storm, but I like
the cast a lot and I just would have liked
to watch them fish for two hours.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's it's a great cats will hang out with them.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like just they somehow bring the.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Home cast as well because it's a great cast on land.
Bob Gunson's in there too. I bring them us. I
just want a fishing.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
We don't need the storm like just s wept aside
and not have a roadwave. Let me watch these people.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
That's it. There's there's a show in England. Bob Mortimer
and Paul white House are two very famous British comics.
It's just them going fishing. That's all. The show is
just these two old comedians going fishing and it's great.
The just it's just to them having a fun time
like going fish. I caught a fish and it's just
that half an hour.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Week And if you could do comedians and cars getting coffees,
you could do guys fishing.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Medians and boats catching fish. Yeah, there you go done,
boats catching fish. That would I would watch at least
three episodes of that. If that was the time.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Depends on the host something.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, you need chemistry between the host and the guest.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, that's true. So what do you think about a
preacher's legas see in this this chapter here Ross what
a pivot?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, he he's really dedicated to his craft as a cook,
and they really want to hammer that home, like what's what,
what's he gonna what's he gonna share? He's gonna share
his cooking recipes, and uh what it made me think
of though it's actually another movie from the late nineties,
ninety eight not ninety nine, a little bit different scenario,

(24:24):
but the like idea of like I have to record
myself on a like last message sort of thing that's
gonna go out. I just thought of Bruce Willis telling
his daughter he's gonna die on Armageddon. He actually does die,
so that's different a little bit. And and like she's
watching it live. It's not like someone's gonna find my camera.

(24:45):
But that seemed like a popular thing to do in
the nineties, Like a character's facing peril, they're going to
look into the camera and tell you I'm about to die.
Bruce Willis is making you cry. Elle cool Jay wants
to talk about eggs.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
That'd be funny if Bruce Willis did something similar. This
is how you drill the perfect hole. One titanium drill
bit two Peter Bilt drill three, good scouting. And then
it's like then he blows up and he doesn't get
to finish. Everyone's like, what what's the last bit and

(25:24):
drill bit? Man? No, you want now I want that movie?
But no, how how refresh were you ross when he
lived through this movie and when he he got this
screen time to talk about eggs and he blows up
a shark in a kitchen fight, Like, what what were you?
What were your thoughts when you were watching this side

(25:45):
quest of his?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Well, so I'd like that he starts out as a
humble man. You know, he's just a commoner doing a
blue collar job on this contraption, and he really is
the hero. He he is the hero of the movie.
He blows it up, he survived, he outsurvives all these
other people who seem like they'd be more important on

(26:07):
the surface, and it it kind of is a reverse
of what you saw with a lot of earlier horror
movies where they'd have a black guy in like a
kind of low key role and he would die first,
like a black guy who's a chef. It would be
like someone who would die immediately if this was made
in the seventies. Yeah, but he's the star of the movie.
He's the hero. You don't expect it. And I just, uh, yeah,

(26:32):
like his attitude throughout. He's just got he's got the
he's got the not the killer instinct, he's got the
survival instinct.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah. Just the shirks really mess with the wrong guy too.
And I like, I don't know, like we were talking
about this earlier, when he rescues the people, uh, when
they're when they're in the elevator, he doesn't have like
a one liner. He's just happy to see him. He's
a he's a good character. And Ronnie Harlan loved him,
like Jay and I have listened to these commentaries many times,
and I guess a lot of the cast and crew
were kind of, you know, complaining about all the conditions

(26:58):
because they were getting bombed by water and there or wet.
Like was just so happy to be there that Rennie
I think, gave him more to do. And I was like,
I like this guy.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
He's not complaining and then he's the stand up character
because he gets to do so much, but he gets
to be so much. And like when he's when he's
given his legacy and he and he realizes he's going
to do give the recipe, there's the light in his eyes.
He's the most human character in the film, which is
like he's so passionate for this one thing. It's it's

(27:28):
a beautiful moment.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I do like that he could have moments of joy
when he's just like watched colleagues be massacred. Like he's
gotten over the trauma, like being in the corner just
shaking and being terrified. He's just like, I'm going about my.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Day, right, escape. Yeah, he's escaped a lot of the trauma,
like he For him, this is like it was in
the kitchen, something shook, wander down the hall that got flooded.
A shot came after me. Shock ate, my bird killed
the shark, and ah, my friends have arrived.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
That's kind of trying to melt in.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
The other tried to cook him. He tried to put
it a preach cobbler is what the shark we're trying
to make. And so like he hasn't he didn't see
Jim and and Brenda and just get eaten and Russell
gets eating.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Oh that's true. I guess that because I saw all
those people get eaten. I guess he didn't. He didn't
see that because that would be terrified.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And he asked, like you all that made it, and
everyone's just silent. They don't tell him. So as far
as we know, he doesn't, he doesn't know for definite
that they're dead. It's just like, oh, these Cartascuggins and
Susan were together and and maybe everyone else is.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
He doesn't have to know. You don't have to find Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
So are you saying that Jim got his arm bit
off and then his.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Russell did a tourniquet and you went into the elevator.
And then, like Susan, wasn't that kind of as a
massive storm on the surface.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
And a winch broke dropped his gurney into the water.
The shark used it as a battering ram to open
up the wet.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Lamb, and it blew up the town brought tower exploded.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
To what happened to Janice a shark bitter between the legs.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
So I bet you know this guy. We tell you
direction it didn't go well, and he was giving some
kind of inspirational speech, but he was like far from
the water. He wasn't like stent next to the oh
and the shark. Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess I should
leave my legacy. Yeah, that's what needs to happen there,
people dying.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
You know what kind of sucks is he went through
a lot and no one saw it. So now when
he's at a bar and he's like, guys, I was
like a shark. I was in a I was in
an oven and a shark turned it on and then
I knocked my way out the top, crawled out. I
took my lighter, I lit it, and I said, you

(29:44):
ate my bird, and I blew up a genetically modified
smart shark like people call a crap. He has no
witnesses for any of it.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
I hope they have like CCTV all over there and
he can like he just needs that footage.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yes, say that's the sequel, Like no one believes me.
I need the footage.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Susan's going to get her data, and preachers just like
rummaging around trying to find where where is the security
place here? Where's the camera going? Where's the camera if
we go.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, I was wondering what.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Was he doing when he's going to to get the camera,
but I don't think that they're still in Janicis room.
I was trying to like compare the wall behind him
and the walls and Chance's room, and it doesn't match
up with anything. So I don't know if he's just
been after his own devices and it's just kind of looting,
just like no one's gone back for this stuff where
everyone's got savage. What I can He's trying to people

(30:35):
got like personal stuff here or try and take it
with me. But I don't know where he is what
he's doing. But he's found a camera, he's going to
use it, and.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I hope he taped over like the most important research.
This is going to genectly modify sharks, secure Alzheimer's and
all of a sudden like this is my legacy omelets
and then it cuts. That's what you need to hear.
But yeah, no, I love the scene. Always makes me happy.

(31:02):
I don't know, it's like a moment of levity in it.
It does subvert a lot of expectations this film. I
think you don't expect that you don't expect like a
lot of things, and I like that, and like, you know,
since you were dealing with like ninety nine and like
the creature features of the time, like we had the Mummy,
we had like these were all fun, big budget creature
features that were like I guess you could call them
low like, like these are creature features. And you know,

(31:25):
the horror genre was kind of not really respected at
like it is now. Like in the seventies it was
respected like Amity and all that, and then eighties was
like slasher. Nineties became all the scream crap, which I love,
but you know it was just in it. We were
inundated with that, and.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Then it's a lot of teen movies.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, in the nineties and like now this year we
had like Lake Placid, there was the Mummy, There's Deep
Blue Sea. Like pretty big budget creature features at the time.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
And Godzilla was the year before.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, brilliant marketing campaign too, but yeah, I mean, did
you get some taco bell.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
No, because they didn't have them any UK.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Then oh yeah recently, that's why Demolition Man had to
do pizza huts. But no, I like that, right, Like
I kind of feel like, you know, I think sixth
cents was really legit too, and Blair Witch was really
it was kind of a I don't think it lasted
too long, but nineteen ninety nine was a pretty good
renaissance for horror films. Also, you know, before they released

(32:26):
the Ring remake and then before they released the Texas
Chainsaw Massacre remake, which kicked off the remake craze of
the two thousands, we had the like The House on
Haunted Hill and The Haunting in ninety nine, which did
really well. So I think those maybe opened up the
door for the remake craze of the two thousands.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Both those are Vincent price movies originally, right.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, there was like Dark Castle, I think remade
those and that's what Sam Raimi, who like loves all
those movies. Yeah, So, I don't know, I thought that
was kind of I thought it was kind of cool.
I don't know what your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
About nine nine ninety nine movies, like in general, are
you know amazing it's this one in cinema and what
you're describing, I'd say it just touches on horror like
it does on various other genres. So you know, when
you're getting one of the best years of cinema history.
I think you're going to get one of the premier

(33:15):
years in horror movie history. As a subcategory of that,
it sticks out a little bit more compared to the
years right before, in the years immediately after.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, and then but like I don't know, I
was just I guess it was fun watching Deep Blue
c make one hundred and eighty million and six CeNSE
make four hundred million worldwide.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
You know that's just like theatrical too. Sixth Senses had
to make so much money and like all like how
many times did that air on you know, TNT and
like USA or whatever, like throughout the years, the money
from licensing fees for that movie for the last twenty
five years has to be astronomical.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh yeah, making that money and like.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Six six seven three worldwide? Wow, I made three seven
nine international.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
That's a lot of money. Like what this is really
sorry if this is a loaded question, but what do
you think led up to ninety nine? Like, because you know,
all these films were budget like were made in ninety
seven ninety eight, Like what was like the culture like
with all your research that led to did anything particularly
lead to this awesome year in cinema?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Yeah, well, you know a lot of my researchers on
the crappy stuff of the nineties, but the you know,
Brian Rafferty has a good book specifically Okay, well it's like,
you know, I think he makes a compelling case. And
like you still had like strong independent move like studios,

(34:44):
and some of those were getting absorbed, like you know,
like me or Max was was bought by Disney, but
they still had autonomy to go out and produce interesting stuff.
So you know, it was it was a time when
that part of movie history really peaked. And that isn't
with us today as much like that. That's there's still

(35:05):
a twenty four and stuff like that making movies, but
they're not they're not making you know, the movie that
does number two and number three in the box office,
like you know, you saw back then. So the conditions
of movie making were just different. And then you know,
you have the DVD window a few years later that
would help keep movies profitable even if they didn't make

(35:25):
it theatrical. So I think there's a little bit of
reduced pressure on like we got to have this giant
blockbuster that pace for everything like we do now, where
you know, everything's a superhero movie.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, like even like I don't know, like a Mummy
returns or it did well, but they still knew it
was going to play for years on cable, so like, yeah,
we'll be our Yeah, I'll sell DVDs and uh, I
guess yeah. You know, movies like Donnie Darko and Boondock
Saints could find their audience on on like vhs and
do all that.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And Raftery. I owe a lots of Raftery. He read
one of my Deep Blue Sea Data articles in twenty seventeen,
and then he profiled me for Wired and that helped
me get my job or my first writing job, paid
writing job with Rotten Tomatoes in twenty seventeen. So shout
out to Brian rafter you. We love the guy. Just
want to give him some props in his book about

(36:14):
nineteen ninety nine movies.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I want to put him there.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Did you talk to him for your book? Now?

Speaker 4 (36:19):
I emailed him a couple of times, but I didn't like,
I didn't interview him or anything, because yeah, I was
focused on Jerry Springer, porn for wrestling.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I remember Jerry Springer. They would sell the cassettes of
or DVDs of like the most salacious things, like when
you put on Too.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Hot for TV.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah too, that's what it was, Jerry.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Springer, Too ot for TV.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
What were a few of your favorite things about ninety
nine research? I'm curious, that's.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Like, yeah, well, so I loved Jerry Springer Too Ot
for TV. I watched that with my family back when
I was ten years old.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
My my half step aunt had that and I would
watch it with her.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
That's awesome. Uh, my brother's high my brother's high school
classmate had a copy and like we got it would
like get passed around through all the boys in his
class and like and it got to our house and
like a bunch of kids came over. We just all
watched it together, and you know, it was just a
little bit of boobs, a little bit of more fighting

(37:19):
than you got on TV. But it was typical Jerry Springer.
Fair But I like that memory. But the research is
just super fun. Like I gotta consume the stuff that
I normally would like if left to my own devices.
You know, I did a book on Nebraska politics before this,
and that that research sucked. And you know, here I'm

(37:40):
just like watching the twenty part documentary series on Monday
Night Pro Wrestling Ratings, produced by the WWE Network. Like
I'm doing stuff like that, which I find to be
fun and joyful, so I'm not tired of the topic yet.
Usually I'm tired of a topic by the time the
book comes out and I've done a bunch of podcasts,
Like people want to talk about trashy ninety stuff like

(38:03):
I'm still game. I'm still down to read about it
when I have time.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
And Jay, I'm not. You know, I guess you said
you were twelve and ninety nine. But WWE that was
like one of their peak rating years in ninety nine
or viewership years, but it was it was crazy, j
Like there was like they're gonna do like live sex
on TV with Edge and Lita or was that later?
Remember that.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I don't know when the Edge reading, but they, I
mean they had they had very salacious stuff in the
late nineties, like Sable was almost showing her tits all
the time. China appeared on Playboy and they would like
talk about it, like like they have like a picture
of like the cover of Playboy in the ring and
he would just talk about it all the time. They

(38:48):
almost have a guy get castrated by and John Wayne
Bobbitt rescues him.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Sure, okay, everyone's literally kissing Vince McMahon's buttes. Yeah, you know,
you wonder why that two thousand's got kind of aggressive
and you're like, wait, maybe you know.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, wrestling comes up surprisingly a lot on this show
with various guests, and it's I have never seen any
any wrestling all I do audio for other podcasts before
we come on as a character. And he said, can
you come on like bright us in the start of
this guy? I was like, sure, I don't know who
Vince McMahon is, but I'll I'll pretend to be him.
I've never heard of again, I just I don't know, so, yeah, wrestling.

(39:26):
I've never seen Jerry Springer. I've never heard or watched
the Juggalos. So that, like the cover of your book,
doesn't it a lot of things for me, just.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Like an alien artifact of what.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, I recognize the Beanie baby, that's about the Juggalos.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
That was an interesting thing. It was like that way
they had a game show song that was actually playing
on mainstream radio. It was like a dating song, yeah,
the game Yeah, And that was was like, let's see, well,
I'd have to think about it. Like that was actually
on mainstream Florida radio, like they Jay they played this crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Song It's insane clown possy, right.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, And they're and their Fago drinks
you know and all that, and they're gatherings.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
ICP went hard. I mean they had songs about necrophilia
and dark magic and torturing people. Yeah, they they they
But it's also cartoony. That's what's interesting about like some
of the outrageous shocked out come with it. It's you know,
it's just like grown men with painted faces and dreadlocks.

(40:33):
It's kind of kind of looks silly in hindsight, I
feel like, but yeah it does.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
As someone who's outside of it, it doesn't look questions.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
And by the way, with Human Clay that sold thirteen
point one million albums. Wow. Yeah And also one of
my favorite memories of ninety nine. I got and Them
of the State in Californication and I was like just
drove around in my car listening to those two albums.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It was awesome. I loved that was like a halfn't
hood with them.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I love listen to those and the number one selling
album was Millennium by Backstreet Boys. Jay, I get so
many million millions of albums, it's old.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
God, a hundred I don't know, A good forty million?
I know what good would be for that?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's crazy forty million.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Oh yeah, it's it's it's out there.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I apologize for overestimating point two points.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I don't know if anyone sold one hundred million. Maybe Thriller,
I don't know, Like a hundred million is like never
been happened.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, that millennium though, are you wait? Backstreet Boys are
in sync.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I'm Backstreet Boys, so like I you know, n Sync.
They got got Kimberlake, they got more and two songs,
but like they got like the top Guy and they
have some good songs. But the Backstree Boys roster, both
in terms of talent on the band and then the
song catalog is just deeper.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yes, thank you for that. They have like three first
ballad boy band hall of Fame songs.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, I want it that way. I think it is
the best boy boy song ever ever.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, and dirty Pop is the worst buy in sync
that song once and I almost died. You know.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
It's hilarious about this debate between them. They have the
same manager in the same record label. Like it's all
the same stuff being filtered through. You know, groups that
were engineered, you know, brought together because they look good.
So it's really like kind of the same thing. It's

(42:36):
Lou Pearlman, who's I don't know if you've ever ever
heard of him, but yeah, just a huge, terrible piece
of shit. He's in jail. Well is he dead now?
But what happened to Lou Pearlman? Not soon enough. He's
the mastermind behind all that stuff though, But he was

(42:57):
like just fraudulently taken advantage of all these kids the
whole time. So like all those millions of records of
Backstreet Boys sold that those kids didn't get hardly anything.
Lou Pearlman was taking the money off the top man.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's why I'm happy they're making bank at the sphere
right now in Las Vegas. The Backstreet Boys, like they're
clear and millions each show.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Me just looking at a picture, and we missed out
on a prime Philip Seman Hoffman biopic of this guy.
I like his Wikipedia pay starts with Lou Perlman was
an American music manager and scam artist. That's what he's
known as being so that's his career.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
They should have done that. I feel like missed opportunity
now that you've I never saw the Phillips Seymour Hoffman thing,
but now that I'm looking at the picture.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I'll see it's now.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Paul Walter Hauser.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yes, that works. Sure, Uh, let's go.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
That sells itself right there. He's doing anything, doing everything
by the Yeah. I like that. Man, there's some crazy music.
Back in ninety nine, I don't know what were some
other like tidbits books TV. Yeah, Who Wants to Be
a Millionaire? That did that.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Yeah, So, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire came out
in ninety nine. It was it was on like three
nights a week in primetime, and it really what you
saw in ninety nine and in subsequent years was like
TV networks are just like, we're gonna make TV as
cheap as we can, Like Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire started because ABC executives said, like, we need to

(44:31):
find a cheap hit. We need to make something that
people watch for half the cost or a third of
the cost of like a scripted show, and so they
did the American version of who Wants to be a
Millionaire with Regis and like that. You know, that led
to American Idol a few years later, and like just
all these competition and reality shows, they really took off

(44:52):
in a way they hadn't before. And it's all a
cost cutting thing, but that show was giant, Like ten
million people would watch it like three times a week.
There's nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Now.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Did ABC get into that because they were kind of
getting schlecked in the in the wars because like NBC
ad Er Friends, Fraser, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Must watch TV, NBC ruled the nineties, Er Fraser, Friends, Seinfeld.
Those all aired around the same time on one network.
They and yeah, ABC was getting handed to them and
that that is one thing that they tried. I don't
think they expected to be as big of a phenomenon

(45:34):
as it became though.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, that was huge. That show. That was Howie Mandel.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
No, that's Regis Regious.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh yeah, it was Regius.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Howie Mandel's show was was it Deal or No Deal?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
He did?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
He had a show that was later I.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Got it, Okay, Yeah, that was Regius. That was a
great show though. That thing, that thing exploded. I guess
it was kind of fun. About ninety nine, random things
could explode on TV.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You need to see it coming. But they started in
the UK.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, all the best competition shows are ripped off in
the UK.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's Chris Tarran was the host. I mean he ended
up doing that. Jeremy Clarkson does it for some reason.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
And even the reality shows that like like like Big Brother,
you know that those all had like a European precedent
before you know they they did the American version.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's just that. I think, like they do know that
you didn't stop it, right, it's not over hair, Wait,
it's all the show. I was just confuming. But no,
it's all fund about that.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I didn't remember. I just remember the show blowing up
like it was. It was a legitimate phenomenon back then,
Like people would just watch that show and I remember
that being pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And also didn't you have any any like massive controversies
for it, Like we had a guy who cheated his
way to a million and there was a whole show
like scandal about it about it.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Right, Yeah, there's a there was a cheating scandal.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Who was it?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I don't think that happened in nine though. I think
that was because that show ran for a little while.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Mirrored see Charles Ingram was on on September the ninth,
two thousand and one. So that might not have been
big news in America for some reason.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I might have just been buried by other things after
in a couple of days. Have Yeah, he he had
someone in the crowd he was coughing when it was
a right onsom. He was an homy major.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
I watched that show, Jay, I wonder how many people
cheated and got away with it.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
That's it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
We just know the one that didn't, the person who
was like Colol, is there a burden here? Sorry?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I like the celebrity versions when they would have like
they'd play for charity and they'd have, you know, a
bunch of like b less celebrities come on. I remember
Norm MacDonald like almost made it to the million dollar
round really yeah, but Regis fooled him because Regis was
making him like squirm that like he didn't know the answer.
Norman was like, I think, and it's gonna be whatever

(48:00):
it was, and we just got him to like pull out.
But then his guests would have been right.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
There was Lawrence will and Bowen is a British like
house designer, kind of come from back from like changing
rooms kind of shows, and he was on and they
got the main pound question wrong, but it turned out
it was a wrong question, so they had to come
back and redo it because it was all for charity.
So they end up like only having thirty two thousand
pounds for charities to have a million, but end up

(48:27):
coming back and not doing that question and walking away
with five hundred thousands. You know, it's it's all the
shambles the whole show.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
They're Red Connie the reality show.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, maybe so so Ross. How would you make the
perfect omelet?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
You much for? Chev?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Are you an egg man?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I've been I like eggs. I've never made my own armored.
I'll make my own eggs, I mean not all the time.
My wife makes some more often I do, but I
can cook an egg. But I don't know if I
don't know how I would even go about making the
perfect arm because my my armlet piece suck to start with.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Just be stuck to the pair, Just be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
I didn't didn't use enough spray enough whatever whatever you
guys have to do and make these things. I don't have.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I've never made normal either. I'm not really an egg guy.
And I thought we first covered this chapter like five
years ago, and I thought, hey, between and then I
must have I would have like tried to make an omelet. No,
I haven't, And in fact, since in that time period,
I've now become lactose and tolerant. I'm pretty just saying
to add milk for density does not agree with my stomach.
The density when you add milk is unpleasant. So I

(49:38):
agree with him, don't add milk density bad. But I
was just looking into it, and I don't if we
talke about this first round. No, Mark but LLL COOLJ
has an omelet recipe. He went on Martha Stewart and
showed out how to make. I mean, they call it
an omelet, but it's it's scrambled eggs in a burrita,
so it's there's no there's no milk, there's no buttery.
He just uses a spray of olive oil, loads of

(49:58):
red peppers and spinach and just egg whites, like nine
egg whites in this omelet.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I think, okay, because I was just wondering how much
a preacher is actually based on here.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, I was wondering did it was this? Was this
an ll uh added addition to the script. Perhaps he
was like, hey, ready, I want to do this thing.
I know what we can do. It's my omelet recipe.
But he like, use nine eggs, not three, but just
the whites. Because this is this is when mL was
like peak physical with me. It still is a great
physically big guy. Uh, but yeah, this is like real,

(50:29):
like healthy, healthy omelet, a.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Big white peppers, spinach, cheese and scram.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So many peppers, and then he makes like a red
pepper susa.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Well that even tastes like an omelet. That sounds quite
different than what I, uh, you know, get at Village in.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, it's scrammed. It's scrambled eggs with salsa in a
burrito kind of.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
So I could do that. I can scramble eggs with
things in it. Yeah, I'm good at that.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
And other people have tried to like replicate his recipe
or like trying to I could, I couldn't find anyone
because he doesn't he doesn't give much, just mentions eggs
and then no milk. That's not an omelet. So clearly
he has more things to talk about. But people have tried,
and I think the best they came up with with
using olive oil instead of butter, no milk, and to
get it with the Deep Blue Sea, like making brains bigger,

(51:17):
like having salmon and spinach in it as like good
brain food, like it's the Deep Blue Sea branded omelet.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, I could see a there's all these cooking competitions
that like have a celebrity. He's not doing much anymore
hosting them. They're all over Netflix and obviously Food TV,
Food Network. But I wonder if that they've ever thought
about doing a Deep Blue Sea at least an episode
of something like complete the Omelet.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You helt that and you can do the cakes he's
making earlier on Yeah. Yeah, in the kitchen there's a
whiteboard with some like like Helsinky hollandais written on it
and some other things they have for breakfast. Maybe it
was on a pizza like a finish. I can't remember. No,
I think we were looking into Helston. We found like
a bone marrow pizza that's called something similar.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
They should do a deep lucy showstopper on Great British.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Bake Off, like an exploded shark. Okay, yeah, like the
aquatica landscape take collects at of gingerbread, of course, make
a gingerbread a quaetica a little gingerbread helicopter being rounded. Oh, no, collapsed,

(52:32):
Sorry it's mentor it blows up fun of it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, sorry about that. I just digressed. I've been watching
Great British Bake Off.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Sorry we didn't really ask your history with depc rolse.
You are you a fan of the film.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yeah, I'm a fan. I hadn't watched it in a
long time, but I saw it on VHS in the
early ninety I'm not really nice, in early two thousands,
so like probably two three years after initially came out,
I saw it. And then I've seen it, you know,
not in its entirety, but I've seen like parts of
it multiple times, just on cable TV, like it'll just

(53:05):
be showing. That's how I watched a lot of movies,
you know, like twenty ten era. So this first time
I sat and watched it front to back in quite
a while.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
I knew what I was getting getting into before I
did did the rewatch, because I had I'd watched it once,
but I I forgot that, like, you know, Tony Soprano's sisters,
you know, hanging out like things like that, Just little
things like that.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeh, she's getting blown up.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Yeah, Tower gets it didn't last too long.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Twarer gets lit up in this movie. Also, Ronnie Cox
has no lines in which I love.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yep, just hanging out. Yeah, did you have anything ninety nine?
Ronnie Cooks? Do you have ninety nine? We can do
it now? What elselutly doing this year?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
What are your top four shark films?

Speaker 4 (53:56):
And do I do I include Deep Lucy in this
or whatever you want you?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
So obviously Jaws number one. Clear, you know everyone says that,
But I like Sharknado too, the second one.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Jerry Springer now there.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Yeah, I was just gonna say I like it because
of all the cameos, like the I think they did
a great job with just like embracing being like just
silly as hell, and that at that time, Sharknado was
becoming like a mini phenomenon, Like there was more exciting
because the first one kind of blew up in a
weird way, and then the second one we had the
anticipation by the time they did, like the fifth one,

(54:30):
and you know, it's kind of ready played its course.
But I had a lot of fun with that second
one when sci Fi put it out. God was that
that's probably ten years ago already, isn't it more?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I think it's twenty fourteen. It would have been, so, yeah,
eleven years ago. Okay, yeah, because the first one was
twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
So I enjoyed the shout of that movie and then
then then I'd go deep blue sy after that. And
my fourth is Shark Taiale. They they almost always play
shark Tail at the pediatricians waiting room, and uh so
I see like twenty minutes of it like once every

(55:09):
three and a half months, and it gets the kids
to shut up for the most part. So you know,
kudos to Shark taale I'm getting getting those sick kids
to calm down for a minute.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, forty seven meters down, can't do that.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Now, you're the third person to put Sharktail in their
top four. We were the first person for any of
the Sharknados. Two is the only the only one that's
been put.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Any of this Sharknado has made any wow.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Of the twenty old guests we got so far. Yeah,
do the ranking.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Films. Yeah, yeah, I recognize that.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
They're fun for that, they're fine for they are I
would watch them more recently with other game.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
I noticed with my ranking and the tournament, I was
going off of like not whether or not something was
a good movie, but how much enjoyment I got off
of it. So yeah, I put Toado two above a
bunch of best picture movies.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
You know what's the most What are your what are
your like favorite ninety nine films in terms of enjoyment?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yes, that was I love the Matrix. I think it
is one of the best, but I also like my
my enjoyment of it is super high. American Pie that
was such a like horny, raunchy movie that I laughed
my ass off when I was a kid, and I watched,
like I watched all of them, Like I even watched

(56:37):
the direct to video ones with like only Eugene Levys.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
In them shows up first.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Yeah, like they're in that universe, but they're not like
the theatrical one. So I've seen almost all of these.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Watch American Reunion, I'm a I'm a I'm Wine guy
in it. Yeah, wine in that film, and then they
put dialogue in that movie. Yeah. So I've worked in
the Atlanta film industry for many years and I got
i you know, sometimes when I didn't have any gigs,
I would like like so for this one, I just
took like an extra role because I didn't have any jobs.
And then but I knew a bunch of the people
on the set, and I was dressed well and I

(57:13):
stayed quiet and I was professional, and I knew how
to poor wine. A bunch of people then know how
to poor wine. So I got to like hang out
and like, you know, I'm the wine guy. I'm walking
all through the background like I was in a terror.
Reid comes up to me when she enters the party.
She's the one she's talking to. So they just like
us me all over the place. And it was really fun.
So that's awesome. I hung out with Shaw me up
Scott during to See Me. Talked about Bronson, which was awesome.

(57:34):
The Tom Hardy movie. So yeah, if you watch it again,
I'm wine guy in it.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Oh that's that's really cool. Yeah, because I like those
movies a lot.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So I was I was thinking about your wine poring
in this chapter format, because when Preacher gets the camera
out of the bag. It feels like a very like
directed just use one arm to open the bag and
get the camera out, which is is a real unnatural
way of eating. You don't pen with one on, and
it's like the camera is gonna be here right arm's
doing it, It's gonna be in the way. So I

(58:02):
was thinking, like we like you being directed to poor wine.
I've to look at me even thinking but I've done
more modeling than you might expect where I've had to
do things on on, like with crafting and cooking where
it's like no one hand whisky with one hand, another
hand can't be anywhere near the bowl. So I was
just thinking, that's I'm just imagine ready out of shot,
like no, just your left hand, just your left hand
doing it. So I was thinking about your poor wine.

(58:23):
It's come up, so it's nice for me.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
It was for me it was just can you pour wine? Yes, okay,
go pour it. So I took pour it because other
people couldn't do it. I guess people kept spilling. And
then they went Mark because like I knew the PA's
and one of the ads I ended up working with
later on on a bunch of stuff, and they're like
Mark just go poor wine and then poured wine. Yeah,
there's so many squirrely people in Atlanta because it wasn't Union.

(58:48):
It was just like it was just cattle calls on Facebook.
So a lot of people who took the job just
had no idea how to work on set. And so
since I was already like a PA and I was
doing commercials, I knew how to behave so I would
just stay quiet and help out. And then they would
always say, so.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
They just running buck wild.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Well they you know, they no one knows what. You know.
You go to a set and it's like at least
twelve hours and extras get treated terribly, and so you know,
like I took a job as like a stand in.
I really love that, but like I learned how to
like and then so when I worked with extras, I
knew how to work with the extras because I was
an extra, and so like they just weren't that professional.
They would there are some that would just like steal

(59:25):
all the crafty. But like you're not given the food
that the crew is given. You're not like your food
isn't as good. You know, you're kind of being told
what to do. You got to like you're there for
like fifteen hours, you're getting paid maybe sixty five bucks,
seventy bucks. You know, if it's longer, you get like
one hundred bucks. It's more now. But like everyone immediately
really excited to be there, and then they quickly realized
that it just sucks then, like no one wanted to

(59:48):
do anything, and like they would all fight for camera
time and they weren't good at pandomiming. And so I
just like I was, like I learned pretty quick if
I kept my mouth shut, dressed nicely, listen to what
they said, like I would get pretty fun rolls. So
like they would keep me around for a lot of stuff.
So I just learned, like, act like a normal human
and they'll like you. So then that helped me out
a lot as a as an extra nice. Yeah, that

(01:00:10):
got me my wine guy role. I'm a terrible actor,
so I'm glad that the a dr dialogue into my
somebody else they were it was like, tell me when
I could have gotten paid for that, Wow, but I didn't,
so whatever, But yeah, that was that was my story
about working in there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So were there other nine to nine films that you
that you wanted to show?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I mean, there's a ton of them, but you know
Toy Story two, Yeah, those first, all three of the
first Toy Story movies just geez being John Malkovich, just
like how trippy and all over the place it was,
and yes, funny, Yeah, I do like both here and gosh,

(01:01:03):
there's so many I want to go because I could
just go off the top and say, oh, you know,
fight Club in sixth sense and you know, I can't
hardly wait or whatever. But one that I don't think
ever gets any attention. It's not an amazing movie, but
I enjoyed a lot. Was The Bone Collector Denzellen in
a bed, Yeah, Denzel in a bed, trying to track

(01:01:23):
this guy down. I even read the book afterwards, that's
how much I liked it at the time. So not
a top five movie in ninety nine, but like top
five Ross enjoyment ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I'm a thirteenth Warrior guy. No one loves that movie,
and so like, that's one of my favorite, at least
in the movies to enjoy from ninety nine. And drop
that gorgeous that movie.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Drop Dad Guardius is pretty that's actually pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, that's a really funny movie. But I'm glad that
people nowadays are kind of like, wait, that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
So it's pretty twisted.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, it's I think you know. When I watched it
in ninety nine, I was like, whoa, I wasn't ready
for this, Like I wasn't was it ready for Homeen
and murdery and like dark it gets and then but
then like you look at the cast now like Britney Murphy,
Denise Richards, Kirsten Dunst with Alison Janny, like like Amy Adams,
I got a murder's row of good actors. So yeah,

(01:02:18):
I think that I said the right word, murders row.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I bought it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
It was in your dra your tourment earlier. But House
inh Holded Hill was always what I enjoyed for ninety nine.
That doesn't really get talked about much. And I watched
it again recently and didn't. It didn't hold up. Russia
is in that everyone's in that. It was the Sharknodo
franchise that like inspired me to go back to it
because I like Chris catan Is in Sharknodo of five

(01:02:49):
playing the British Prime Minister and explained reasons, Uh, and
I remember loving Chris Catan and House and Holded Hill.
I can watch it and I don't know what I
saw in this performance. I remember it's being like the
first time I appreciated an acting role was Chris Gatan
and House of Hounded Hill and just have any film ever.
And then I went back and wuch, she goes. Then
I was a child. I don't know I was wrong.

(01:03:10):
I have learned and improved since then.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, Wow, Chris Katan, Yeah, Owen Wilson and The Haunting
changed my life as far as performing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Wow, decapitated in that fireplace.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Interesting like choices for horror movie casting in ninety nine
now that we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
This, Yeah, you're right. I mean if you think about
Stone Scars Guard, he wasn't real well known, and Soffron
Burros and and Thomas Jane was like a Terence not
guy at the time, like he wasn't he wasn't that
like that big of a name. Even Rapaport like if
you yeah, so yeah that that was good casting in there,
Like Lake Placid had Brendan Gleeson like Bill Pullman. That's

(01:03:53):
some pretty uh funky casting, yeah yeah and wait and kind.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Of own oh Wilson. He dies on that one too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, ninety nine. See, now I know why you love
doing this because I could just talk about ninety nine
all day. That's why we've been talking about Deep Lucy
for how many years now, Jay, Like it's just like
talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Did you have any any other thoughts in this chapter
or the film? Is the whole russ we get you
out of?

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
No? No, I think you've covered it adequately, Wewice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Now, yeah, keep on dragging out an hour from this
fifty three second chapter and we'll keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
One final book plug so we can get it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
And oh sure, Well the book is nineteen ninety nine.
You're low culture conquered America, and it just gives you
a look at how it means, like Jerry Springer, nineties
pro wrestling, porn, and video games shape our world today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
What are the big games in ninety nine?

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
H Well, Doom is the one that was in the
news a lot because it's blamed for the Columbine shooting.
But that game actually came out in ninety three. But
ninety nine, like Pokemon was so big, Like there was
like five different Pokemon games that were in the top
ten of sales, most of them on Game Boy, but
some of them on other Nintendo systems. You had Sciphe

(01:05:22):
and Filter, Tony Hawk pro Skater. Was that year Grand
Theft Auto two? You had one of the Grand Trismos.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
It was a pretty solid year for games awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You have Grand Game Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Do you have any any socials from people to follow
you on?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Uh? Yeah, you could just follow me on Twitter at
Ross Spanish. He reached me our website Ross Spanish dot com.
But I don't tweet or share stuff too much on
LinkedIn anymore because I'm with kids all day. Fair enough, Okay,
you'll get an occasional strength that you're in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Just move from of the flex, listen to it and
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Yes, please do that. And my started to Life versus
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you enjoy from nineteen ninety nine. That would be good,
just need to be fun and great. Well, that will

(01:06:33):
do it for DEPC one, Chapter twenty three Dive two
next week. Next week is going to be a film.
What films are going to be I'll let you know
once I find my sprent seet every week I do this.
Next week is going to be Shark Attack. You can
have a new franchise, Shark Movies nineteen ninety nine Wall
Shark Attack with Casper van Deen. Yes, talk about the money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Dped a lot of Starship Troopers actors in this episode,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
And Congo's Ermie Hudson fighting jarks and people in South Africa.
I think to come back next week for the first
is the Shock Attack franchise. We're gonna do all of them.
That's what great Congo is great, We've already covered it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
We loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
It's fantastic. Don't touch my sesame cake. Good But for
DeepC one Chapter twenty three dive too. Thank you once
again to wonderful guest Ross Benish.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I have been Ja Klewett, I am calmer and we'll
deep blue sy you next week.