Disasters in the Making: Can you bear it!

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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:42):
And good evening to everybody n k l r N Land.
I had to infect you with some euro trash synth
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This is disasters into making. How's everybody doing on Brad
Slager getting ready to just abuse your ears, your sensibilities
and everything else with bad films from our favorite portions

(02:09):
of Hollywood, which would be the dumpsters and back alleys
of the studio system. But I'm not guiding you through
this by myself. Hell no, because going on these trucks
every two weeks with me is screen rants own. Paul Young,
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Paul? What's up? My friend? Bradley. I am having a
fantastic weekend. I hope you were doing the same.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Pretty much pretty much been a good run so far.
And then we got a trip plan for this weekend,
going to Texas for a while, so it's gonna be
a good time. There.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
But uh now, let's let's let's let's just focus real
quick on the opening song, because I am very proud
of myself or have found the song. The song is
by what the group called. It's not it wasn't Toto,
it was something else.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I couldn't even pronounce their name, to be honest with you.
But so here's the weird thing.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Colio Toto Colio.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm gonna go with that, sure, fine, And it's actually
a British band if you can believe that with that
is a whack job name. But I actually remember that song.
I don't know how or when I've heard it before.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But it's from nineteen eighty three. It's from its early
eighties pop.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Like you were saying, I think it was injected into
our culture during that second British Wave as they called
it back then, and this was an attempt to get
them on the charts. I think it came probably a
college radio station or something I was listened to and
they played it a few times and you're like, oh no,

(03:38):
it's a pretty good concept. Cannibals, let's hear it. And
then I heard it. I was like, let's feed this
song to the Cannibals. No, No, this is garbage, and
this is kind of their biggest hit.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I guess it must have been. I mean, it's certainly
the movie we're discussing tonight's biggest hit, because it's all
over the place, and that group is all over this movie.
So this particular group, Toto Colio, I'm gonna assume I'm
pronouncing that correctly, performed at a festival, and I'm gonna
butcher this hard. Pillis Burrows Jeno no Yano pillis Burrows Yano.

(04:18):
Pest Hungary near Budapest is at a concert. Is at
a concert festival that happened in the eighties called vulgton Lawn.
I found a set list. I was trying to find
the music on this movie that we're talking we get
ready to discuss, and I was looking for the set
list because I loved all the music that I heard.
And I found the setlist for this group. And somebody

(04:38):
called East that Finavad was playing KFT. Somebody named Set
the Tone, which you can actually see Set the Tones
name on stage during the movie, and Nazareth was there.
Believe it or not, it apparently it was a huge, huge,
huge festival back in the day. I'm gonna we saw
the tens of thousands of people, and this is what
threw me off. I'm watching this film which was clearly

(05:01):
low budget, right, clearly the budget, but they've got one
hundred thousand extras at this concert. I fought they filmed
this live somewhere. They did not. They did not get
these people together and build a set like this. Turns
out they did not. They just straight up went to Budapest,
Hungary and filmed this bear movie. But they didn't. But

(05:23):
the only the concert, the rest of them, it's like
set what in Seattle or Portland or something.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, there's so much about it. Let me ask you this,
did you how much research did you do on this?
Because I went down a rabbit hole. I guess we
should say maybe a bear cavern.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But a bear cave. I.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I was up for quite a while last night as
I was doing the research and kept finding more and
more and more about what went on with this film.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
There's a lot of When it came out. When they
finally released it in twenty twenty, to streaming, it had
already had like a bootleg copy. He had already hit
the airwaves like the old Korman Fantastic four. So it
had hit YouTube like an seven or something. So it
had been around for a hot minute, but I had
never heard of it. I dug through it a little bit.

(06:14):
I read the article on Buddy Disgusting about it, but
I haven't read anything really deeper into it than that,
other than this thing is just an absolute train wreck
of a movie all the way around.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, we should probably set the stage first before we
get too much into this. So, as Paul and I
always like to do on the show, we try to
choose a movie that's based on something in theaters, something
in the news, maybe something in the pop culture. So
recently on Netflix they released a rather hot documentary for

(06:46):
a few weeks featuring the life of Charlie Sheen. This
guy is a walking train wreck, which makes four compelling
documentary work. No mystery white people would tune in for this.
So in the course of the documentary, and he goes
through his entire life, I mean, it starts from the beginning,

(07:07):
and you know how he was raised by Martin Sheen,
and he would visit film sets as a kid and such,
and discusses his entry into Hollywood. He was having a
lot of trouble at school at the time. Actually got
into a fight with a coach or a teacher or
something and was on the verge of being expelled. And
he's like basically threw his hands up and said, you
know what, I quit. I want to get into acting.

(07:28):
That's what my dad does. I'm going to do it.
And so, you know, did this eight x ten stills
toss him around town, and he finally got a nibble
and got a role in a low budget film. It
was his first one. So he said, sure, I'm going
to do this. And you know, in the meantime, he's
still auditioning, it's still going around, and while he's waiting

(07:48):
for this production to start up, he actually lands a
role in a top flight movie starring role. Breakout opportunity
for him, and so he goes to his dad and
he was like, hey, Pop. You know it's like, uh,
you know, I'm sitting on my cooling my heels with
this upcoming film, but this other one and they can't stall.

(08:09):
Asked them if they can give me two weeks. They
said they can't. Productions type. What do I do. He's like, well,
you know, you gave those people your word. You know,
you got to honor. If you're gonna be in this business,
your word's gonna be your biggest asset right now, because
you don't have any clout. And so he went ahead
and shot this movie at spence of starring in The

(08:29):
Karate Kid. What m He was originally tabbed for the
Ralph Machio role in The Karate Kid, and.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
He chose to do this instead.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
He had to pass on it because he committed to
Grisly to the Revenge.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, so many people would say, holy, that was a
bad decision. But I think in the balance of his career,
Charlie Sheen did okay. But nonetheless he snorted his way
through life. All right, this is his entree, as it were,
into Hollywood. And then you look into this movie. Because

(09:19):
I heard about this first roll of Grizzly too, I
was like, wait a second, I remember Grizzly. The original
Grizzly came out mid seventies. It was part of this
wave of nature terror movies that avalanched after this stupendous
success of Jaws.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That I still love. I still love, I like, I
like the original Grizzly. Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know that there was just this wave of them.
I mean there's orca, barracuda, you name it. They found
some kind of natural be struck, threatened.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think this one called Animal's Attack, like like an
Avengers film. They all culminated into an Animal's Attack film
when they're like the the Day of the Animals or
Night of the Animals, where everything, all the coyotes and
everything was going after everything.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
They were all wild because.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
The moon or whatever they get all culminated on him,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
And then it went on to other horror features. You know,
there was humanoids of the deep and all kinds of
things of this nature.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
So frogs, wasps, mosquitoes, the storm and the Storm. There's
one about the what was it the spiders, Yeah, they
the Night of the Tarantulas. We had the Big Bunny.
We talked about the the rattlers, fine rattlers, yeah, alligator.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean it was you know, that's pretty much. That
was it. You one word feature, the animal scary poster
instant success hence nineteen seventy six is grizzly and you've
got an erth sign on his hind legs pause, a
kimbo attacking you from the poster. And it was a

(10:54):
pretty decent success from the time too. It was you know,
cheap budget, cheaply shot, retreadscript, he's't enough special effects success.
So at some point in time somebody got the idea
to well, the original concept wasn't a sequel. It was
just another bear movie.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I guess right, what didn't involve the same bear. It
wasn't a story of the same bear.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
It wasn't a continuation. It was just basically appropriating the title.
So this is gonna be one of the shows where
we probably fixate much more on in the making than
we are the disaster itself, because the movie itself doesn't
have much going for it. And what sparked this whole
thing off is there was a woman. She's actually listed

(11:42):
as the producer in this for the film ultimately, but
she was plugged in heartily at the Hungarian movie industry,
entertainment industry. This was kind of as the Cold War
was coming to a c in the eighties, and Hungary
was kind of one of the looser countries in the

(12:06):
Soviet Block to begin with, and they kind of opened
things up before everyone else. So Western commerce was taking place,
and she was trying to encourage more entertainment Hollywood business
coming into their country shooting on the cheap but still
boosting their economy and boosting their film business. Found the script,

(12:28):
had a director and shopped it around to figure we
can you know, we can shoot this in Hungary while
she got her film noticed by a producer, a very
sketchy guy who had a bad reputation around Hollywood as
somebody who plays fast and loose with ethics, which means

(12:48):
he fit right into Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
He'd he probably went to work next on Baldwin's.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well, this the funny thing is, and this is how
deep into this I got. He was getting into this
film right after he scammed Jerry Lewis. Yeah, he set
up like a three picture swing deal to be made
here in Florida with Jerry Lewis, and I think they

(13:19):
got one. I remember him shooting one down here in
South Florida. It was called like working Out or working
Man or something, and basically it was just this string
of comedic scenes of Jerry Lewis doing different jobs. He
was like a hard scrabbled down on his lock, uneducated
guy and it was, you know, all just slapstick and

(13:40):
nonsense as he went from job to job and the
other two movies never got made because this guy made
off with a significant part of a production budget that
had been set aside. Jerry Lewis, I think to this
day pissed off at him. So so Procter comes in
with the seemingly with money he probably got from Jerry

(14:02):
Lewis and plugged it into the and he was throwing
it around at first like he overpaid for the script.
He's like, sure, we'll go to Hungary and sure we're
going to get this top flight special effects team to
create bears for us, and they did. Now you wouldn't
know it seeing this movie.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
But but the thing is is, there's like the movie
is only an hour and fifteen minutes long. It's very
very short, and in terms of movies goes right, it's not.
It's a little bit shorter than one of the final
episodes of Stranger Things for the cheat episodes, like an
hour and a half all that. So the big the

(14:42):
Mother Bear shows up as a real bear for most
of the scenes until you get to like what the
fifty minute mark or the hour mark. It's like near
the end where the bears attacking the festival, and suddenly
it turned into this large Disney like animatronic and it's
clearly an animatronic bear, and it's not very well. I don't.

(15:06):
I don't. Did they switch it somewhere in the scene
or did they add that later? And I always wondering
if they finished film in the movie like.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Later, Oh yeah, there's trust me, We're gonna cover all
kinds of stuff like that. This is a This is
the kind of movie that the making of. Definitely, definitely
is far more interesting, complex and epic in length in
the movie itself.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yes, I do know. I did find out that during
the concert footage, there's a band that shows up and
they they don't look or match any of the aesthetics
that's happening for the rest of the Hungarian festival, like
they're yes, it's they ended up a band called The Days,
and they filmed they filmed it like in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh that's a separate concert, is.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It completely No, it's not even a concert. They just
hired this group.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Oh no, no, you're talking about yeah, the duo and
like the one guy's got a man of snare drug.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
He just has a snare drum in a bass drum.
He's just playing.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
He's clearly not playing they're clearly lip syncing, and they're
they're like tight shots that looked like they were filmed
in a warehouse, and then they cut away to this
monstrous scene of a crowd dancing, and they cut back
to then close up tight shots.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
So because I like digging into the goops and stuff,
apparently the keyboard that band is playing wasn't even produced
until twenty two thousand and four, so that photage was
filmed sometime after two thousand and four and then just
spliced into the movie.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
This would explain the man bun because I'm watching the
scene the movie was shot, as we said in eighty three,
so I was like, we're man buns in style? I
don't think so. Yeah, So all kinds of nonsense goes
on with this. They so they go to Hungary and

(16:56):
Charlie Sheen, as we said, was casting it. So was George,
so was Laura Dern.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
They get they get top billing too. They're all over
the poster.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, of course they are. So now here's the basis
of the entire fiasco here, as we said, shot in
nineteen eighty three, this movie was never released, never went
to theaters, and did not see the light of public
release until twenty twenty. They were getting ready because of
all the you know this this online cult interest in

(17:33):
it that always percolates when dumbasses who hate bad movies get,
you know, all interested in it, and it's like, what
about this movie? What about you know those idiots like
me and Paul and so, Like you said, it got
a bootleg version got released on the YouTube. You know,
it still had like you can hear the director yell
cut stuff like that, ed it. It was that kind

(17:54):
of a rough cut.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I didn't realize this. Laura Dern was sixteen in this film.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, yeah, and she almost looks the same today.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
You know, she's like Paul Rudd, tall, live and.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Acting well beyond her years. I mean, you would not
look at you. I didn't see Laura dirt as a
sixteen year old in her role.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Now, I until I looked it up. I didn't realize
she was sixteen in this film.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well see, I did, And that's when the sleeping bag
scene made me very uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, because Clooney's twenty two.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Mm hmm, well, you know they're in hungry. I guess
maybe agent consent is a little different over there or
behind the iron curtain even you know how that goes.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I'm maybe not gonna judge, but in.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
As we're in this era that's hot with Jeffrey Epstein
at the moment, let's just say that I felt a
little uneasy watching this, but there we are.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Nonetheless, it's almost like Woody Allen or Last Tango and
Paris butter scene that's like that really gets like real creepy.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, it's like, are we supposed to be watching this
kind of thing? But we're watching it. So thankfully, it's
not the most disturbing part of this movie. Now, as
we said, this is basically the career launch of these
three stars. So when this got released in twenty twenty,
of course George Glooey Charlie Shane wore a dern. You know,

(19:29):
they just pop him on the poster. It's a bear
and the three of them. I did time code it. However,
are superstars of Hollywood exit the movie after six minutes?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Oh really, let's see.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's it. That's their star power right there. So they
actually were in Hungary by the way, for those scenes.
I think most of this was shot in Hungary.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well they did, you know what, they had more screen time?
I had to go look it up than Steven Sagall
did an executive decision because he lasted exactly two minutes
before he dies. You know what I'm talking about, right.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, And I'd say the only thing shorter
as far as screen time goes is the bear in
Grizzly too.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, it's very little bear.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
If we stop watching this, I guarantee you he's not
on screen for more than a minute and a half.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's just that much.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
But here's what happens in this whole thing. So we
mentioned Proctor. He was the original producer. He's the one
that brought the money in. And they get set up
in uh in Hungary. The first thing they were shooting
was the concert. You know, basically they just went there
and film the whole thing, the build up of it.
They got backstage, they got the production of the stage

(20:56):
set and everything else. And I think the product even
brought in some of the acts like you know, Toto
coch what the hell's their name?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Toto Toto Coleo.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, they had never performed in front of an audience
larger than like maybe a couple thousand, and they even commented,
how you know, here we are, you know, figure we
get in a movie just to get exposure, and suddenly
we're on stage in front of fifty thousand people, and
you know, they were freaking out and thought this was
going to launch their career. I think they split up

(21:28):
within six months of the shoot, but nonetheless, it's there
they were. And as they were getting ready to start
actual filming of the movie, the producer disappeared.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Right about, Hey, guys, no more money. I'll see you
guys later back.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Didn't even tell the producer called the meeting with the
producer's husband got mad at him. It was like, listen,
I'm getting the hell out of here, and I'm taking
the money with you. He's like, you really can't do that.
Where he's screw you, I'm gone And he was gone.
So they're left in the lurch. Now they have no
funding for this movie. And the woman that is the

(22:11):
ultimate producer of this said, it makes no sense. I
can't explain where he came from. But all of a sudden,
a doctor contacted them out of the blue and said, hey,
I got half a million dollars I could put towards
this movie. She was like, what, who are you?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Please?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That kind of a mysterious Japanese benefactor. So when this
is done, I mean, I'm going to spend some time
eating sushi Afia rabboy.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
But they were like, uh, okay, it's your money and
we're in hungry, so let's do this. So our trio
is stars. I think they said they were in hungry
for six weeks of filming. Their entire scene consists of
them walking up a hill talking to each other and
then building a campfire at night.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And don't forget uh carrying an entire two leader of
orange Crush.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
They're they're walking around with big backpacks with all the gear,
and Laura Dern has a two leader of orange Crush
hanging from her backpack because when you're out in the
woods and you need survival gear. And she's like like
the Electrolytes from.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
She's wearing like a quarter heel, right, it's like a
quarter inch heel or something.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
She's hyped looked like half an espaedrole or something. I
don't know what.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
She was wearing heels and horror animal based horror films
well before uh uh Ron Howard's daughter was doing it
in the Jurassic World movies.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, so it's uh not a lot of planning. She didn't,
you know, she didn't go to North Face or any
place like that for her gear. Apparently she was that
Sephora before they hit the trails.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So apparently she went to where her teenagers were buying
clothes at the time, but would find out later.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
So yeah, so you know, they get their scenes underway,
they're starting to shoot, and then problems erupted on set
because they're in Hungary and this is, of course, you know,
still a Soviet block country. And the guys that were
doing the special effects now they built three bears. One
was normal grizzly size, another one was more immense, like

(24:34):
sixteen foot tall, and then one was a compact like
a half bear, almost like a puppetry version, you know,
where somebody could manipulate the mouth and such for close
ups like that would be how they would attack people.
So you know, it came time for somebody to die,
you know, they would shoot the standing bear, Oh scary,

(24:55):
and then they would have the minute the mid size
one lunging at them, and then it actually came for
the biting and the blood. They would use the smaller
close up version.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
And you don't even really see that much to me.
What I noticed was that most of the bears appear
to be like PBS stock footage of bears.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
From like a far off Well, there is some of that.
And here's why. Because again, nothing about this production makes
any sense. So Proctor spent a crap ton of money
with this special effects team, gave them, you know, cut
them some nice checks, and they spent six months crafting
these bears to bring over to Hungary. Brought them over,

(25:37):
they were setting them up and getting them shot, you know,
in certain areas, and then they said, we're going to
go back to Hollywood then with them and we'll finish
you know, like the close ups and all of that.
We'll do the tight work with the bears in controlled
environments and we'll be in charge of it all. Well,
I guess like Hungarian Entertainment Union stepped in and we're like, uh,

(25:58):
those are our bears now.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Go yeah. They like they didn't pay bills or something,
and they just came in and took seized all their assets.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Like the checks weren't clearing or something. For some of
the union workers. They basically said, yes, the bears they
are ours now and you can go home. You're done.
And so this National Effects Team is like, wait, what
the hell what And they're back in England or wherever
they were working at the time and never saw the
bears again, Like, they have no idea what happened to

(26:30):
them if they they were told they were confiscated by
the government, they were told there was a warehouse fire
and they were.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
A warehouse fire. Yeah, that's a shame because I would
really love to find that bear. I would like to
think of it as if it was the Cocaine Bear.
You know, the story of the Cocaine Bear. Yes, who
was it found by? It was somebody found it and
now owns it.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, it was like in a bar and what wyoming
or something it ended up in, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It was a somebody bought it. It was like a
I can't remember who it was. Somebody somebody found it
at a thrift store and purchased the bear and then
had it in their house. It was like a country singer.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, this is the uh the movie Cocaine Bear. But
it's basic based on a true story where drugs were
lost in the woods and a bear got hold of
the coke and actually consumed it and had a heart
attack as a result.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And it's My favorite line from any of the stories
about this was somebody said that for thirty minutes, that
was the most dangerous predator on the planet.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
And then, uh, they actually went so far as to,
uh take his carcass and stuff it, took it to
a taxidermist and preserved it.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
So, yeah, you can still see it. They've got it
on somebody bought it back from him and you can
see him. Now.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's Those are true American stories right there. I love those.
And then they make it into a movie even better
the did you.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Watch the movie? Of course, it's fantastic. They did everything
right with that movie that they needed to do with
that movie. They needed to be off the wall completely,
just ridiculous with it and just lean into it heavy,
don't make it serious.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
You and I cannot do that movie on this show,
because it's that good.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's fantastic. Yeah, I would watch.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Highly recommend it, highly recommend it. So they're struggling with
this production, and it got so bad that they realized,
you know, well, we just got rid of the guys
that can operate our bear, and the Hungarians are like,
make our move. It is difficult. They actually had to
bring in a live trained bear for some scene for

(28:53):
some cut shots, and it really wasn't up for much
more than he was standing place and they would wave
a salmon in front of his mouth, and then you know,
he would open his jaws and look like he's growling
because he was like, h give it to me, and
then they would have to superimpose the sound effects of
a growl to make him look menacing.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Bear's name was like Yogi or something.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, he's he's supposed to be imposing, but really what
you see as a bear going give me, give me,
I want that, give me the fish. Fish. That's about it.
And then you know there was one scene where they
had to have him look like he was sleeping or
I'm sorry dead.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
The final death scene of that bear is hysterical. It's
so out of and it's so out of place, like
they haven't done anything of the native They really haven't
shown any gore in this movie about a bear attack, right,
is this not? Well, there's that's a lot of capre
dicprio fighting a bear. This is not that kind of film.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
This this is what happens when you have untrained Hungarians
that have to operate the animatronics that they were never
part of in the first place. And so the the
most gore you see in this film is blood on rocks.
Like I don't think any victims were shown bloody or
dismembered or nah, nothing of the sort. You there's one

(30:20):
scene where people walk up and like you know, put
their hands on their head and go, oh my god,
and then you look down and there's blood on the rocks.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Like I would have liked to have seen the dude
pick up like an arm or something and walk around
with it. You know, he's like Steff shoving in a
bag or because the bears mauling everybody, but he's not
eating them.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well, you know, we were told they are. It's the thing.
It's it's take our word for it. Horror. Oh my gosh,
this scene is horrific. Don't look kind of it's a
horror movie. I'm supposed to look. You're some pander to me,
damn it. They know not in this one. And so
they they kind to go through the process of this

(31:01):
film that they have a finished product. They try to
I don't know complete it said that editing was a
hardcore difficult, and shopped this around Hollywood and people were

(31:21):
like no, no, no, no, we don't want this, no,
thank you, and the producer held onto it. She kept
trying to get this thing finished. She kept saying, you know, oh,
I'm gonna get this movie made. We're into the nineties now, Nope,

(31:42):
two thousands, naw. She was working, you know, various things
in Hungary. Then she moved to New York, I think,
and she became a museum curator of sorts and other
artistic ventures. And then she started to write her own
memoirs because I guess she was important, maybe agree, And
she kept coming back to the movie. She kept saying, yeah,

(32:04):
but yeah, but this movie, it just has to be finished,
and picked it up again, like she had it in
cold storage or something. She had the actual film Canister
was in a storage unit in New York for like
ten years, and then went back to it like this
was her white whale, almost.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like how do you focus that much on something this
this terrible or the course of that many decades. It's
a three decade release.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, well, it wasn't so much focused as it was
like gnawing at the back of her mind every so often.
It's like wake up in a cold SWEATD two way
in my Bear movie I got to finish my bear
movie and no, it never did. Never did. And basically
the she started to go to an editor, I guess,

(32:54):
and start putting it together, and she found distributor who
looked at the materials like, you know what, you got
some stuff here, you know, we could do something with this,
and he had all kinds of ideas with it. He's like,
what if we made it this way? What if we
did it that the bear got pissed off or something,
and you know, he was trying to find something in

(33:17):
the footage and maybe do some pickup scenes and even said,
we know what if we bring the stars back and
stars aren't going to touch this movie, stop it.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
They're not. I don't believe you're going to get them
to come back, and I think it. Then didn't promote
it for a little while.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well then the rough cut made it online, Like we said,
I'm curious to hear that history, Like who got hold
of that rough footage if it wasn't her? And this
was like what around two thousand and seven, two.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Thousand and seven, yes, when it hit.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
And so yeah, and she basically that was that was
kind of a rimpetus. It was like, well there's clearly
hunger for this. We have to get it done, and
I guess they did. They finally get put it together
just enough that they came up with almost an hour

(34:11):
and a half long film. This sort of I think
it what does it come in? One fifteen maybe credits?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Ninety four minutes is the official run time?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's that's gotta be like five minutes of credits and
added concert footage or something, because there there there's really
not a lot there. But they did and shopped it
to They went to one film festival with it, got
some pretty good response, and then they said that following

(34:47):
there was just like a wave of these film festivals, Hey, hey,
can we get it in ours? Can you come and
bring it to our festival? And that got the ball rolling,
and so that became enough of motivations to get this
thing released on DVD and release it into the public domain. Finally,
here we are, we got our Grizzly movie. Now this

(35:13):
is the part that I crack up at. Okay, you
got Charlie Sheen, you got Clotie. They're nobody's at the time.
They're you know, in their teens and twenties. First roles
dirt cheap how do you get actual stars in this
film like they did?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean, John Rays Davies is probably the most. I
didn't even realize he was in it until he shows
up as that French Canadian bear hunter uh halfway through
the film. But then he's clearly out acting everyone else
in this movie. The daughter is my least favorite character.
I would have liked to have seen her get her
head swiped off at some point.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And well, she was the star of Valley Girl, I know,
But the cage, the.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
The relateship between her and her dad, the sheriff or
whatever is what is an far as the sheriff, the
head ranger, the head ranger, was that not like a
creepy creepy vibe?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Now that I find out that this thing had a
Japanese businessman behind powering it up, makes it makes me
understand why twenty two year old Clooney was in a
naked in a sleeping bag with sixty year old Turn
and that the father daughter relationship in this thing it
was like borderline inappropriate, like the way he would like

(36:33):
touch her face. I just care about you, honey, I
don't want you coming back. It's okay, dad, Like did
it not put off like weird vibes to you.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, they had a couple of scenes that were uncomfortable,
and he's at the same time like hyper protective of
her as a father's like, I don't like you hanging
up with these rock and roll people and be careful
of them. I trust you, I don't trust them. Get
over here so I could smoot you heavily in front
of everybody.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Hey check it out, guys. Chrissy is uh that when
the concert promoter or the concert guy's putting it all together,
the manager or whatever, he's like, hey, check it out, guys.
Chrissy is the uh, the park ranger's daughter.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Down foul, found too foul, and.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Then they never do anything with it. Like, she's never attacked,
she's never come on some one of the producers hits
on her at some point and she's like, I think
she's probably sixteen as well in this thing.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
She's this is like a Steven Stargall film.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Well, she was in Valley Girl came out the same year,
so I don't know if this was before or after.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think her name is gonna it's Deborah Forman.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, I'm gonna give yeah, I'm gonna give you. I'm
gonna give her before just to give her a benefit
of a doubt. But yeah, John raise Davis just got
done doing Indiana Jones and like he went into this
role like happy about it. I don't even know how
to cast them. He's like, I just I just love
the work. I love I love to get on camera

(38:09):
and perform and got into my role and did everything,
and I thought we were really bringing something to the
table with this. I was looking forward to seeing it
on screen. I was like, dude, yeah, but why And
then they had Louise Fletcher, Oscar Winner one flew over
the Cuckoo's Nets, you know, Nurse Ratchet, a ton of

(38:29):
other stuff before. How do you get hurt?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think I think they were. They they told these
people that they were. They're filming it in Hungry So
I mean in the early eighties, late seventies, you feel
something overseas. It's not like they do now where everything
needs to be filmed overseas for tax credit reasons. You're
doing something over there, it's because you're not doing it specifically,
not doing it in the United States. People were probably

(38:53):
looking forward to it. I read an article on the
ringer about this, and Laura Dern talking about what they
did after towards and how everybody was just like walking
around and joining enjoying their visit. But it's like at
the end of communism over in that area, and they're
just like having the run of the place because their

(39:13):
money goes further. And John Ray Davis is talking about
how he was in a don't know if you're had
this article. He's talking about how he was in a
a deli and he's ordering a big, old, giant piece
of salami, he said, and people just feeding them because
he could afford a giant piece of salami that would
probably keep them alive for a couple of months. At
one point, Dern said that her, Sheen and Clooney were

(39:35):
just just like running around town being young and stupid
and goofing off. He says, were trying to remember the
name of the boss of the Jetsons, couldn't figure it out,
so they spent one hundred and twenty dollars to make
an international call to a friend to figure it out.
Like that's they're just wasting money over there as opposed
to like people that needed the money. So I'm guessing

(39:57):
that's what drew most of these stars with the fact
I said all the stars did that. The just wandered
around town just dropping money everywhere because it was so
cheap to live.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, and this is you know, the original producer, Proctor
did this. He just kind of spilled money out while
he was there and then made off with the rest
of the budget and disappeared. Some said he got arrested.
I mean, and they said, like his The history of
that guy is one thing too, because they said he
would be gone for like years at a time nobody,

(40:29):
but all of a sudden he turns up in Thailand,
and then another time he popped up somewhere in America
and he was trying to sell He was trying to
he was scamming money out of a local government because
he had an invention that could turn garbage into motor oil.
M Yeah, have you people never heard of snake oil?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think. I think my favorite little piece of little
tidbit of information about this movie is the fact that
when Naggie and uh zots I guess you say the
last name, when they took this movie over to Arnold
Copelsen to try to get him to fund it, he
was so disgusted by he threw them out of his house.

(41:15):
But he just he need to say get out. He
threw him out. He's just like, no, you know that's fine.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Live here. Don't curse my bear movie.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I have kids, Like your movie sucks so bad. I
just can't stand to have you in my house. I
just don't need you here anymore.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
The yeah and the amazement is that this all happened
and there's still a movie at the result of it.
I mean the fact that thirty years it took for
this thing to arrive. I mean, this movie was so bad,
close to forty.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Actually, this movie was so bad it broke up Toto
Colio that this you're watching their final performance. They managed
to get them in the lineup for this festival so
they could film it for this movie. They convinced them
to include They weren't on the original lineup because they
don't fit with like Nazareth and all these other groups
that were there. They convinced them to bring them in

(42:16):
on this to have them for the concert. And then
it was so bad. That was like their most their
biggest gig they have ever they had ever done. And
then they broke up, like a month or two after
after the whole thing, like it just killed him.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It was. I guess we could say something good did
come from this film. Then, yeah, introductions.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I got that song on my lineup. Now it's on
my It's on my permanent playlist, as is our closing song.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Okay, but when you when when you said that to me,
I was like, wait a second, I know this song.
Yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Think no judgement from me, Brad about having it on
my playlist.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I think you should make it your ring tone and
just watch the reaction of people when it goes off.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
See who knows it? Be like it's the it's the
theme song from Grizzly Too, you know it.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I just you know, when you're when you're picking up
your sandwich or something, and just watch the women gather
their children around. Come here, come here, honey. Just stay
by me, Stay by me, don't don't go near him. Well,
we should probably maybe at this point get into the
movie itself. At some point in time, we should discuss
the actual film because the show is longer than the movie.

(43:32):
Uh yeah, true, And this isn't patting. I mean, we
got material, holy crap. But so the movie opens with
our three Hollywood superstars backpacking with their orange crush. I
swear I need a screenshot of that permanently. That's just
beautiful stuff. They're you know, they're climbing the bitching and

(43:54):
moaning above it. George Clooney he has I think headphones,
but also a boom box on the top of his
backpack that he's listening to.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Got no headphones, but he does have a boombox. He's
carrying a boombox, and he's got a like aner.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
And you know what else he has. Paul Dance moves dancing.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Laura Durnam, she's sixty. She's carrying all of the she
was carrying this movie is what she's doing on her back.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Cluti is like be bopping. He's trying to be like that,
you know, hip and with it party guy. And Charlie
Sheen is just kind of like, you know, you could
tell he's just happy to be in a movie. She
kind of has a permanent grin on his face. Even
when he's like he turns with Laura dirt because she's
bitching about having a blister and he's like, you know,

(44:41):
co his his script reading is can you stop complaining
and let's just get up the hill. But the whole
time he's like grinning, He's like, I can't believe on
the movie, I'm actually duding, this is so awesome. Hey,
you're bothering me. It's literally looking like that. So he's

(45:02):
having well, let's.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Not forget that Clooney is wearing a sleeveless jean jacket.
Oh yeah, fantastic, and she's wearing Darren's wearing Cooochie cutter
shirts shorts.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Mm hmm, yeah, she's got her Daisy Duke's going as
uncomfortable as that makes me feel. But nonetheless, so they're
they're hiking around, they're you know, be bopping and doing
their thing and disregarding the various signs that are posted
saying danger bears.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
There's one it's one sign posted at the top of
the hill and nowhere along the path.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yea, and brand new by the way, I mean, this
thing was like just planted in the ground, almost like
it was put there for the film.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
But let me tell you, I don't think you saw
because you're not on Facebook with me. But I'll have
to send you the text or the link to my
TikTok with it. My wife and I go we go
to Bozeman, Montana this past July. For our Aggie has
seen this video. She knows what I'm talking about. And
we go hiking up in the Yellowstone Mountains or you know,
or a Yellowstone. We're hiking out there and they've got

(46:05):
bear signs be worn in bear bear signs, and they
make you carry bear spray to the point where you
can rent bear spray and then return it with a deposit. Uh. Well,
we didn't take any bear spray because we're't from Florida,
and my wife is super concerned that we didn't have
any bear spray, and it produced a pretty hilarious video
of her being super concerned about it. And she's just like, Paul,

(46:28):
we don't have any bear spray. We need we need
some bear spray. And I'm like, well, I think we'll
be okay. We're not. We're driving on the in the mountains,
not hiking. And she's like, but we he says it
says to make noise to scare off the bears, and
she starts rattling her fingernails like an a MSR video
against the against the metal water bottle, and I'm like,
that's not gonna do it. She goes, well, that's clearly
not gonna be work. That's terrible, And it says to traveler.

(46:50):
She goes, it's just traveling, and travel in a group.
She goes, we have two. That's the minimum of plural
is two people. Excuse we're gonna die. We're gonna die
without our bear spray. I'll have to I'll tweet out
the link. D it's very very funny.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
And you're in the car.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
We're in the car, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I And again I'm not passing judgment or man's plaining
to your wife, but I'm sufficiently positive that maybe the
sound of the engine would have been louder than her
fingernails on the window.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
We can look. I may not be able to outrun
a bear on foot, but I'm pretty confident I can
outrun a bear in a car.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you got the gidea pedal there.
That's pretty much gonna do it. I'm com but see,
and I don't mean to be blase about it, but
I'm from South Florida where I go to bars and
on the patio they have signs posted be careful alligators.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You have to get alligator spray like.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
We drink in alligator territory. That's how we are in
South Florida. So I think, you know, not that I
can handle a bear, but I'm not nervous about it
for those reasons. Just you know, I'm more worried about
the waitress getting here before my bear's empty. So they're
they're hiking as such, and then they end up camping

(48:13):
out for the night. We have a bonfire. They're huh,
hanging out, and Clooney and Dern are are getting rather
snugly rather you know, intimate almost let's say, to the
point that Charlie Sheen feels uncomfortable. Imagine what it takes
to make Charlie Sheen feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I wasn't prepared for that statement, Brad.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I mean it just because it got to the point
where he had to pick up his sleeping bag. It
was like, all right, whatever, guys, I'm just gonna wander
off and leave you to alone because I can't handle
watching you too. And I'm like, sure, Charlie Sheen's the
one that's uncomfortable in this scene. Uh huh. But maybe
you know again, first role maybe was predating his satiriasis

(49:04):
that befell him a couple of times in his career.
So yeah, he and again he wanders off, but he's
not exactly conveying disgust it is. He kind of looked
like he was happy about it too. It's like, okay, guys,
I'm gonna go over here because and the whole time grinning.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It's like, well, he was grabbing like the trash and
stuff and like dishes, and he put it, put it
in a bag, and then he walks into a cave.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah, and you know, Clody, being the guy is, he's
just like, okay, thanks, cool, bye. And then Laura Dura
starts undressing and then she climbs in the sleeping bag
with him, and then we get the POV shots from
in the bushes. The bear is stalking them, and the

(49:50):
bear slowly creeping towards him as the sleeping bag is
morphing and grinding away and undulating. I have to say
the bear attacked them. Literally. You see a bear face
on screen twice in flashes that amount to maybe half

(50:12):
a second.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, it's not it's edited terribly well.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
This entire movie was edited with a weed whacker. I
mean it is. There are scenes in this thing that
are horrendous, but a lot of growling, and it's the
same growl tool. It's not like, you know, it's like raw, repetitive.
That's this bear has one note and he's gonna give
it to you. And so, okay, we have to buy

(50:39):
into the fact that they were attacked. Charlie Sheen is
sleeping all of maybe fifty feet away and never heard anything.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
No, No, he's in the note? Was he? I thought
he was in the cave. Now he tried to run
and get inside the cave, didn't he Well.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
He was, Yeah, he like walked off into the shadows
and I guess maybe into a cravats or a cave
or what. But he wasn't that far away. I mean
he was still in shouting distance and was like, you know,
you guys done yet? Can I come back to the fire?
You know that that would have worked, But instead he
comes up oblivious and his death scene is about the
weakest I've seen on camera in quite a while. He

(51:18):
looks wide eyed, you hear a growl, and I mean,
like smash at it. All you see is like his
hand and wrist and they're dragging along the ground.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And here's the thing is, I didn't really dig into
this movie until after watching it, so everything for me
was completely new. As I was as I was, you know,
watching this movie for the very first time, and I
seen them drag him off the rock and then he's
pulling it. They're pulling him through the forest across the rocks,

(51:47):
and I thought, Okay, so this movie so so Dern
and Clooney are dead, and this movie is about rescuing Sheen.
He's got to take the Mama Bear's going to take
him to a cave and leave him there and he
won't be able to escape. It's about wrestling machine. No,
that was it. That was the machine. Uh that was
That was the end of it. I'm like, uh, what

(52:08):
what happened here?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah? For the what's going on? Yeah, the editing in
this is such that you have to you have to
do a lot of guesswork, Like I think they were
going for you know, dot dot dot, and you know what,
I just blacked out. We probably shouldn't. The entire basis
of this film, the opening scene was really tacked on it,

(52:32):
I think probably cgi decades later. It started with this
like bucolic nature scene and we're watching all the critters
in the fields doing their thing, and then we see
a mama bear and a baby bear and then oh
hunter and he weighs in and sees the baby and

(52:54):
you know, and you see horrible cgi of the baby
bear's ear bursting with blue and then the mama gets
shot too, right, I mean we say, this is kind
of the same thing with her, and it's like, what
the hell, and then it just disappear. Kids hiking in
the woods. This is the backstory. The Mama Bear's pissed off.

(53:17):
Let's just go with it. So, as we said at
the start, this is kind of like, you know, the
original Grizzly was their their ursine version of Jaws. This
movie was the bear version of Jaws. Every element of
it is Jaws in a mountain scene. It starts off

(53:41):
with the party kids that die, and.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Then I think Jaws three, the Jaws four, the revenge
rips off. Grizzly two, because it's a Jows four is
about the Mama Jaws coming after the family for killing
her family.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
But we get all of the elements. Louise Fletcher's playing
the role of the mayor. I don't care if there's
a bear killing everybody. The concert has to go on.
You got the park Ranger, bro Cream who plays the
role of the Sheriff of Amity. You know, he's scared

(54:21):
of the bear and he's gonna save everybody. And then
you've got the johanres Davies plays Quint, the grizzled guy
who has a dark back history with bears that killed
his family and now he's a bear hunter.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So where's this movie supposedly set Yellowstone? It's in Yellowstone, right,
They're trying to put on a concert in Yellowstone National
Park and somehow she's the governor, and I.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Thought it was I thought it was California because they
keep talking, like the poachers were talking about taking the
bear carcass to San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Because bear live bear livers are like or afrodugias or something.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Pancreas bear bear pancreas. We can get one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Which shows you how much research the guys this Sheldon
McCall did for the Riders for the same because everybody
knows that the bear claws are the most delicious part
of the bear.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I yeah, there's so much, so many question marks this movie, but.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, it's I know it's in yellow I know for
sure that it's set in Yellowstone. I don't know this
Yellowstone drip over into California. I don't think it does.
It's Montana, Wyoming. You can come up, you can come
up through Colorado, I think to the Titans.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Yeah, it's it's a bit of way. But I guess
that's maybe that's where you can get the highest price
for bear pancreas.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I guess shopping got a shot for bear pancreas round.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah, I mean you can sell the stuff on eBay
back in nineteen eighty three. You've got to go to
the highest bidder, and we all know those are in
Chinatown in San Francisco. And mean, come on, Paul, where
else you gonna take your bear entriols for top dollar?
So we lose our superstars here in the first six
minutes of the film, and we cut to three people

(56:15):
writing in a jeep, two of which were never going
to see again.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah right. It's the reporter sitting there, and it's.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
A reporter talking to the bear expert of the forest.
And there's a girl in the back company.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Called Bear Management. By the way, that's the name of
her company is Bear Management. That is the bare minimum
they could have done.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
That's probably who they called to get the bear to
perform on camera. When the animatronics wouldn't work, we still
got the number that girl from Bear management. We need
one for coping seat. Yeah, and the girl in the
backseat has a camera, so I think she's with the reporter.
She doesn't say word one. I've seen her in another movie.
It was like some Italian rip off Shark movie. They

(57:01):
filmed in South Florida, like Down to the Keys, and
she doesn't even have a screen credit, so I couldn't
pull heru. I's like, damn it, but yeah, I remember
her distinctly. I was like, I've seen her, mister science
did or I noticed broad.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
She doesn't get a she doesn't get a screen credit
at all.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I couldn't find her because it's like, damn it, what's
her name? I know what was that movie she was in.
It was literally I think it was made in like
nineteen eighty and it was an Italian rip off of
Jaws but shot down here. It was like half in
South Florida, half in the Keys. And it's a glorious dude,
by the way. But yeah, they're talking to her about

(57:43):
bears and you know what, tell so tell me what's
a take to become a bear expert, and she's answering
questions while driving down a mountain road in a jeep
and this guy's taking notes. I'm calling bull crap. That
thing's hopping and jumping, and he's like, oh, okay, is
that to tease? Oh well, no, you were not writing

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in that car at that moment. Stop it. But god,
so he's interviewing her. Later, they pull up to someplace
and these two people disappear like a vape cloud. You've
never seen them again. They serve no purpose to the film.
I have no idea what that scene even did, but

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it sets her up, I suppose as beer expert. We
then cut into the woods. We see a guy who
we've never met before, drinking whiskey. We don't know who
he is, what he's doing, why he's on my television screen,

(58:50):
and yet he is. And then we hear a growl
and he puts the bottle down and looks around, and
the next thing we see is him flying through the
air and pretty impressive. See too, you're here rawl swipe
this guy's springboards into the bushes and disappears. I'm I

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think we're supposed to feel something.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, they're poachers.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Well, we come to find out later, but it's like,
do we have any frame of a reference here? Who's
this guy? What's he doing in this movie? Why is
he now dead? He didn't have a single word to say. Again,
we're again left to fill in the blanks.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
But I found your lady.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Okay, cool, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Nineteen eighty four Devilfish?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
There it is Devilfish.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Valentine Monier as doctor Stella Dickens. Thank you, mystery, signed
theaters Facebook page.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I knew it would talk about Yeah, Devilfish. I'm gonna
just say this. If you haven't seen that movie, you
have to see that movie. It's glorious.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I don't think I've ever seen Devilfish. I mean, obviously
I'm gonna now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Oh, you have to. It's a classic. It's a Florida production.
Buy Italians. Take a look at her and then in
your head just concept that she's a doctor. I sai's
an sure, you're a doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I messages you an image. You can look at it forever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But we are just as we're pondering who this guy
is and should I feel sad? I don't feel sad
because onto the concert, Big concert going on, Huge concert,
going on massive outdoor country. This is like Hungary's Woodstock.

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They're setting up stages, They've got large cranes. There's a
big arcing metal thing that's going to be on top
of the stage. For some reason. I guess it shoots
fire at some point that they never really say that
show what I should say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
They do, they show They show it one time at
the end of the end of the movie, near the
end of the concert, there's this big dragon and it's
fitting fire.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I'm just gonna say, if you have to do that,
your music acts must really suck. And I'm just here
to tell everybody listening the music acts in this thing
really suck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, they're not what we would define is good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
The music in this thing. But you know, all kinds
of stuff is going on backstage. And there's a guy
who's upset because some other girl who we have no
idea who she is, didn't show up for work and
this is supposedly really bad. He's like he's talking to
a girl. He's like, where the hell is Timany. He's like,
I don't want to tell you this, but she didn't.

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She didn't wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
From the from she watched the concert from the from
the stands like everybody else. I think that's what she wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
I don't think your friend is saying like, uh, you know,
but but she is. She is going to wake up
and she is going to come to work Like, no,
that's it. I'm done with her. She's gonna watch from
the stands like all the other suckles. It's like, okay,
there's Tiffany's story. We have no idea Tiffany. But then
he turns around and he sees this other very young
girl and says, hey, uh, what are you doing here.

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She's like just kind of backstage hanging out. I like
your moxie kid. You want a job, and she's like yeah,
And basically her job is whatever the hell they tell
her to go get. She has to hump it. Now,
that's her, that's her job. She's perfectly qualified to do
whatever the hell.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
We tell you to do. And she's a gopher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yes, as Dad healthily tells her, it means you go
for stuff. You have to go for this, you have
to go for that. I'm picking up on it, Dad,
thank you, because I've been doing that all day already.
But all of this is deeply important. Time to go
back into the forest. Now, guys on a motorcycle pulls

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up to this ramshackle campsite. I guess looking for his buddy.
Can't find his buddy. Huh, this is weird. Whor's he
He's looking around? He finds his hat in the bushes,
and then he looks down in the bushes and gets
a shocked look on his face because, uh, there must
be something really bad in there, but they won't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Show it at all, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I'll credit to the guy. Yeah, he looked pretty shocked
and disgusted. He's like, oh, oh damn, oh that's horrendous.
Can I see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Nope, no one gets to see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Sorry. And then we hear a well, we get the
point of view with the camera again to the bear.
We hear a growl, and this guy, who we've later
come to hear as a poacher get this freaks out out,
runs to his motorcycle and promptly drops his rifle.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, first of off, he's first of off. First off,
he is just riding a motorcycle up a mountain to
hunt stuff. What is he hunting? No idea? Why is
he riding a motorcycle to do it? Couldn't tell you.
It's like a dirt bike, like he shouldn't be like
a horseback or something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I'm not. You know, I'm not professionally trained as
a poacher full exclosure here, but pretty certain when you're
hunting wildlife, a very loud, two stroke engine cutting through
the forest is basically the last thing you wanted them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Well, that's what we could have used when we were
hunting bears in July.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Well, exactly, if you don't have bear spray, you could
tell your wife, well, just go get a hont a
dirt bike. Done, rib the engine, scare them off. You're safe, honey, perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, you're right. It just hassens the rifle.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
This guy's like, oh bear, Well, the last thing I
need is a gun that could neutralize the threat. Let
me throw that on the ground and run away on
my motorcycle. I swear this is the movie we're watching.
Then we get introduced to Louise Fletcher. She's, yep, the
governor of this concert is the most important thing ever.

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Louise Fletcher looks like she's about sixty years old, and
she's deeply invested in the pop, synth, euro trash techno
music of the eighties. This concert has to go on
no matter what. And the basically the third act of
this movie is entirely concert footage.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, that's why I called it. That's why I said
this should have been called Pause the Concert Experience.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
And I'm just gonna say, after listening to this music incessantly,
if there's anything it needs is a rampage and Grizzly
Bear taking out the axe, please just go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I wanted. What I wanted to see was that Grizzly
Bear just just making a swath through all those people,
just rah rah, and just like picking one up and
like biting him in half or something that ripping him apart.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I wanted the bear in this movie to act like
the Shark Lord and the Suicide Squad. He's just ripping
people up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I like your idea of him just you know, like
cutting through the crowd like that. And the only thing
that would make that better around his neck, he has
a vip lambinet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Because because he's eating somebody, like he bites him all right,
it falls out him. Or better yet, you got Bouchard
right in on top of him with his tomahawk and
he's just like going to town on the back of
his the way riding around side.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I'm vip, you're in my seat and the head comes off,
you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But that's a VIP very important bear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
In a better movie. Let's just say so, it's high
time for us now to be introduced to John Rays Davies.
So the poachers start getting picked off one by one,
and then there's a scene where one of the park
rangers confronts the poachers. Another poacher clocks him in the
back of the head, knocks him down the hill. The
bear gets that guy after he wakes up and runs

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into a rock quarry, but the bear still gets him,
and everybody's now concerned, and our bear expert wants people
to shoot them with trank darts, and it would be
a lot of trank darts. Then they said. Then the
rangers are like, nope, we have to get Bouchard. Well,

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who the heck is Bouchard. This is John Rays Davies
and the quick roll backstory and everything else, and he's
got bear traps, he's got a history. He even tells
the story at the time when he was a young
strapping lad and his dad took him out and they
went hunting and took down twenty five grizzlies in one day.
What the hell are you gonna do with twenty five bears?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Uh? Sell the pancreases for one hundred thousand dollars apiece.
Do you know that was well established? Brad.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
You're talking about a good week's worth of labor right there.
You've got two dozen dead grizzlies. You got to carve
through the pull of pancreases, the pancreases or pancrea I,
pancreas I whatever the metric is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Pancreous, like like sheep or moose? Was that it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah? Or fish? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
And they make it sound like this bear he said,
it stands eighteen foot tall with its arms in the air.
But that doesn't help me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
It's like, well then they were all that is. I
cracked up at de scene where he's talking to the
bear expert and he's like, okay, okay, so talk about
the pause. Now what about rear paw twelve inches across,
three inch depression and firm front, you know, like she
has all the spects based on footprints. And he's like,
so the rear paws, what were the distance eight feet?

(01:09:25):
The back paws are eight feet. This bear has to
be forty feet tall.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
What's the difference, what's the stride level stride, what's the
stride and the intentions for their weight with the hard
soil soft soil.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
But literally, I'm thinking it was like, Okay, I'm six
five tack on a foot and a half I lay
down on the ground and his back paws are separated
that much forty foot tall grizzly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I'm just saying, yeah, they said, I think that what
the largest grizzly ever shot was nine and a half
foot the large one based on a skull nobody really knows,
but he weighs like twelve hundred pounds, and then the
largest historical one is like twenty two hundred pounds. The
largest brown bear ever found is twelve foot tall Alaska

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brown bear. They called him Goliath. So I I don't know.
I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter. They're going
to try to make some sort of giant, massive bear.
But like, why is that the bear that they went after,
Like the poacher went after that bear and the other
little tiny bear cub Like, hey, that guy looks like
I could piss him off. Let me do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
But there's probably the line of the movie. So they're
going through all the specs. It's like it's the NFL
combine feed for buddy feet across indentation, firm soil, three
inches claw distance, six inches of bark. And then Bouchard

(01:11:00):
looks off in the distances like, oh my god, what
you have on your hands is a devil bear.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
You've got the devil Bear.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I it just sounds like he's big. What designation did
you hear that elevated him to the devil bear status? He's
just freaking huge? What devil bear? Once they breached sixteen feet,
that's wouldn't have become the actual miment of haightes that. Okay.

(01:11:39):
I'm not a biologist by trade, but okay, yeah, yeah
over sixteen Yeah, definitely definitely devil Bear, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Oh, well, maybe devil Bear was supposed to be the
follow up the Devilfish.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Or Grizzly three.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
The Bear.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Still we're still in the forty year windows, so we
could have a third one, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Grizzly to the Electric Bearloo.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Wow, so we're now going to travel with Bear Street.
You having all kinds of fun, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
The Bearreroweine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Grizzly six sides in space child's bear. So we're hiking
in the woods with Bouchard as he's setting bear traps
from the seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
That's what they are. And he's got a bunch of them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
The wide metal clamps, you know with the tab in
the middle and you step on it, and he's dropping
a steak that has to cost twenty five dollars each
in the middle of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Okay, well it's nineteen eighty three, so the cost of
everything was cheaper. And they're also in Hungary, so that
probably cost He probably got into the deli with a salami.
He's like, yeah, we're gonna throw this on the ground later,
you guys. You guys don't eat. I'm gonna throw this
on the ground and waste it. Yeah for a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
But then one of my favorite scenes in this entire
film takes place. It's nighttime and we're all camping out.
Now they've got the tripod cooking pot going, you know
with the branches that come up in the a frame
three pieces over a fire. He's cooking his bear traps, yeah,

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to try to make him smell like the because you
don't want the metal to throw off the bears. And
so he cooked, and he has this like complex formula
of cedar chips and wood grass and all this. But
here's the part that cracks me up. They're in the
mountains that are on a truck. They've been at this

(01:13:48):
for a while. Did you see the pot they're cooking in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Gigantic It looks like a pot from hocus Pocus.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Its thirty gallon cast iron pot that he's cooking his
steel traps. And who's humping this crap in the mountains.
I didn't see any shirpas like where you had to
have air dropped this thing in for him to cook
his metal traps. And I'm sorry, I'd have been pissed off.

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He's sitting there, you know, almost like a witch with
the big paddle stirring it, and he pulls out this
big metal trap. Are we gonna eat or are you
just gonna cook steel all night?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
He's cooking steel, baby. I mean, he's making a smell amazing,
and he's making the woods smell amazing by boiling the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Okay, But so as they're doing this, we go back
to the festival. It's now concert day, Paul, and we've
got a number of shots of crowds just like, you know,
rushing towards the camera into the venue. I played this
scene a couple of times because I cracked up at it.

(01:14:59):
I saw it no fewer than probably three hundred people
decked out in Denhim jackets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Oh yeah, baby, they love It's like it's the same
thing that Clooney was wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
The Canadian tuxedos were all like, whoever's got the Levidnhim
account in that area is he's made a fortune. Every
single person has denhim jackets on. It was utterly hilarious.
Love it. So they're coming in and they pack it
in And now from this point of the film, it's

(01:15:31):
like a little bit of action three quarters concert footage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Who is supposed to be the hero in this film?

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Uh hm, I said, the guy that made the Denhim jackets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, But I mean, like, who's the hero carre? Is
it the park ranger? Fella? Is it the the bear
management lady? Who is?

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I mean, it should be the park ranger. But he
doesn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, he ultimately carols the bear,
you know, with electricity at the end of the movie,
but he doesn't do anything else to make himself heroic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Well he doesn't. He drives around and looks concerned. You know,
you know what we need to do. He's pretty much
that's his job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
He doesn't even take his gun with him when he
knows he's they're hunting a bear, and he leaves his
rifle leaned up against the jeep while they go wandering
through the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I didn't understand that scene at all either, because they're
like looking for the bear, but they leave the bear
expert by the jeep. She hears a growl and the
rifle's like right there, and she reaches for it and
then can't because the bear that's forty feet away is
too close for her to reach the gun six inches away. Yeah,

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and then she tears off through the woods like she's
being chased. Is that the last time we see her?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
No, she's at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
I mean, like in the Mayhem at the concert, because
it was kind of like I was waiting for a
payoff with her. It's like, wait a second, she didn't
do anything either, Like these are the they set these
up as the important people and then at the end
like no, not really, I mean I'm gonna go with

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Bouchard because he's the only one that actually does stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, that's probably right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
So yeah, we get just berated at this point with
eurotech pop music and Toto Coke. I still can't get
this name right to Colenta, Colon, Celio Celiac different. They're

(01:18:00):
music is atrocious, their choreography is worse horrid, and I
have to love There's one song of theirs I have
to find. I'm gonna do what you did. I'm gonna
have to pull this one. I'm listening to the lyrics.
I have no idea what they're supposed to mean, but
the chorus goes, you take the milk from the Coca nut.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Yeah that is when you go to Spotify for that group.
You can see in their bio that they're known for
that song. But I cannot find that song.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
And it is. It cracks me up because the shot
is from backstage. You see you see the girls. There's
it's a five girl group and they're sort of moving around.
I'm not gonna call it choreography singing this song in
front of a massive audience of like twenty thirty, forty thousand.
You take the milk from the Coca nut, You take

(01:18:56):
the milk from the Coca nut. You take the milk
and like the preceding lyrics have nothing to do with
the chorus.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And you put a line in it, and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I'm looking like, what the hell's going on. It's like,
I'm usually you're at a concert, you're smoking, or you're
doing something else, you know, mind altering to get into
I felt like that without having ingested a thing. And
they had some other songs too, where they're leaning forward,
frozen with their mouths wide open, and I'm an autoumaton.

(01:19:36):
I don't think so, because I've seen robots with better
dance moves than that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
So I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Yeah. And we see just like music act after music act,
and it's pop, synth, techno, electro, just incessant shit that
you are at this point praying for the bear. Either
take out them or take me out. I can't take

(01:20:04):
it much longer. So we go back to the scene
now with the Poachers, and this is where the editing
was just like, screw it all. See whatever we could
patch together with scotch tape. There's we're down to four

(01:20:24):
poachers now. The fifth one was the one that died
that we didn't know who he was, but he was
somebody's brother. But one of the other guys was like, hey,
we can make more money off the pancreas with four
guys than five if I do my math correctly. And oh,
that's my brother. He just died. Shut up, we're gonna
be rich. But there at one point they had dug

(01:20:45):
a pit. They put wooden spikes in it. Were they
gonna push the bear in there? I don't know what
the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Was, and they they were digging on that pit for
a while.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Oh, they they had a plan in place. Hell if
I know what the plan was. But okay, but now
we're like a day or two later and we're at
the campsite. One of the guys, for whatever reason smacks
one of the others and sends him into the pit
on the spikes and dead. Why okay, get more money maybe,

(01:21:20):
but he was struggling with math at the same time.
But if we divide one hundred doubts done by fourge
twenty five downs on butt boy, cut it in half
to two, it's fifty thousand. My brain hurts. I hate numbers.
But they killed the guy, and I mean literally, like

(01:21:40):
the editing here is with a sledge Hammery he's dead.
Bear growl bear unscene, Guy reacts, Guy flies. I have
no idea what the hell just happened? The bear assumingly
killed everybody. I mean, like they shoot the guy and
this guy's on this and then bear and take our

(01:22:03):
word for this was horrid. Sure, amid all of this nonsense,
we're eventually getting to a climax.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
And it comes really abruptly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Oh my god. So there. I think they're trying to
position it like the bear is creeping up to the
concert and oh my gosh, they're not gonna wipe out everybody.
What's gonna happen? Well, I think, And this is not

(01:22:40):
me not doing my job or not doing my research.
This is me painfully watching this scene a couple of
times to piece this together. I think the bear showed
up backstage and set off the fireworks that we're going
to be for the finale.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I couldn't figure this out. So I think, because
it's really like everything is super abrupt, we gotta finish
this movie. Let's blow everything up. So there's some pyate
technics happening during one of the final performances of the show,
and it looks like one of the fireworks goes off
into a building nearby, and I guess that's where they

(01:23:23):
keep more fireworks for more shows that they last night
of the show, I don't know. And then they say
it goes off. He's like, oh, we got to get
these fireworks out of here, or we're gonna put this
fire out or something before everything blows up. And then
they're starting to fight it, but then the bear comes over.
It makes it worse and knocks more stuff into the
fire pit, and well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
This is the way it worked. It again. I rewatched
specifically the scene and there's like a guy carrying a
barrel and putting it on the back of a truck,
and then there's a shot of the bear and this
shot holds steady from much of the scene where it's
behind the bear's ear from behind, you know, you see

(01:24:03):
him in profile kind of growling. Cuts to that, and
then we see the fireworks. They're not going off in
the air, they're going you know, sideways and igniting everywhere.
And then the park ranger and his daughter are in
a jeep and they're driving with the film sped up
for whatever Benny Hill reason, and they're racing into this

(01:24:26):
explosion conflagration for some reason. I'm sorry if I see
a fireworks display going off on the ground. I'm not
hitting the gas pedal, but I'm not a park ranger either,
but he does so. Yeah, he races into this and
at some point the jeep tips over while driving and

(01:24:48):
you think they're dead. But they're not dead. But more
explosions are going off. They get rescued, they get over
by a trailer, and we keep seeing the bear. The
bear stays in one spot and rowels while everything is
exploding and cut. The more explosions, cut, the more people
getting hurt. Cut to the bear growling and explosions.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
And he's been driving a gee. This is he's been
driving that jeep through the mountains his entire career. He
said he's been doing this for what twenty years at
the beginning of the movie. He's been doing it for
twenty years and he somehow can't drive it out of
the woods into flat ground without flipping it over.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yeah, exactly. You'd go through hard terrain and inclines, but
when you drive into a parking lot, Mom, jeez, done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I wasn't prepare for flatness.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I have an inner ear problem. I'm sorry, It's not
my fault. Also, Bouchard shows up because apparently the five
dozen traps they sit in the woods with meat didn't work.
But he's there and he's stalking the bear like through
the tractor trailers and other things in the area.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
He's wearing his leather jacket with tassels.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
And tell me if this happened or not, because I
again watched it twice. I see the ranger get into
a forklift. The forklift already has the forks up to
about eight foot level with a bunch of pipes on it,
and he drives it forward. Hell if I know what
he was planning to do. But fireworks are fire is

(01:26:23):
going off, and then it tips over and I think
the forklift exploded.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah, it's probably pro paane. It's probably had propane based,
but I feel it it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
I mean, it's like, this is how badly edited the scene,
Like we see it tip over very slowly. By the way,
he's in it too, and you can just see it
like I'm going I'm tipping over. Oh this is not good.
I'm tipping. I'm tipping over. This is and then all
of a sudden fireball but he lives, okay, sure, and

(01:27:00):
Raised Davies finally gets a beat on the bear because
he's twenty feet tall. I don't know how he couldn't
see him or fire on him, but he did fire
a couple times. And at some point he gets driven
back into one of the metal framework stanchions that has
a very pronounced point on it for no other reason
than to kill somebody. He goes back on this thing,

(01:27:25):
and it's like, okay, why was that there? That seems
OSHA should have done something about this long ago, But.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Well there was. They didn't care about that. They're way
under budget. They didn't have the budget for an ocean person.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Okay, well see and look what happens. Bouchard gets impaled
and dies right there, and so this is the end
of our sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
When they impaled Bouchard, his eyes remain open and they
stab him through like the upper left chesticle or upper
up a right chestickle, so it's not near his hard
or any vital organs. So I'm like, and he's still
holding He manages to hold onto his tomahawk, and when
the bear comes up the thing and the the sheriff

(01:28:13):
runs by, the forest sheriff runs by him. I fully
expected him to hand him the tomahawk to throw or
to hit the bear in the skull with the tomahawk.
Or that's what doesn't make sense, is they told them
he told him early on, Uh, don't aim for the
bear's head because his skull is like two inches thick

(01:28:36):
or something nonsense, and he's out here trying to pun
it with a tomahawk.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Well, how about this, If you're running by the dead
body clutching the tomahawk, maybe grab it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Take the log with you. I thought to swing at him,
like he wentn't really dead. He's like, oh, I'll take
the bear down on me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
It's like I think he's he's done with it. He's
not going to use it anymore, the damn thing. But no,
he's he's a little sign that says danger high voltage.
Park ranger goes and climbs through it, keeps looking back
at the bear. The bear keeps coming at him, and
I've figured it out. Bears can't read. This is perfect.

(01:29:17):
So he climbs under this high powered tension line that's
of course strung up about four feet off the ground. Again, osha,
the hell are you guys? But nonetheless, the twenty foot
tall bear. This is so horrendously edited. You never see

(01:29:37):
the bear approach it anything. It's point of view, you
see a bear face, he ducks behind it, and then
it's a close up of bear jaws turning orange with sparks.
We have to assume he grabbed hold of that high
tension line with his teeth and promptly got shot to death.

(01:29:58):
We have a brief shot the ranger collapsed on the ground,
and then I have absolutely zero idea what happened here.
The final shot is the bear. It looks like he
collapsed into a dome or something. He's like surrounded by

(01:30:21):
part of the stage setting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
And it looks like he got impaled by a Christmas tree,
like a Christmas light display. Yeah, I tweeted a photo
of it out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
It's like a weird almost like a CGI image or
something that came up just for closing. We need this
and it literally it's like a slow crane shot back
of the bear just in the middle of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
And I think he went headfirst into it, That's what
I'm guessing. So like he's behind the stage and I
guess he charged, and this is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
How I think he went into the light display, because
then we see Louise Fletcher and somebody said, oh my gosh,
is that part of the show. And she's like, yes, yes,
that's exactly what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
But in scene in movie, that's the way the movie ends. Yes,
this is definitely part of this is part of the
act and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
The framework or anything like. You didn't see a reference
point from their vantage and the bearer. It was just
like a still shout of the baron her going, yeah,
that's part of the show. All right, Oh, I see credits?
What just damn? I mean wow, So that's yeah, that's

(01:31:47):
Grizzly too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I'm waiting for Grizzly three.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Well you're gonna have to wait thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
I can do that. You and I can chit chat
about this when I am eighty LB eighty one tomorrow.
So when I'm eighty where we have a standing date
to come back and talk about Grizzly three.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Yeah, it's yeah. This thing's this thing's a site to behold.
I will recommend it. It's on Netflix, by the way,
yeah right, Actually I had obtained a copy before I
learned that, but I was like, oh shit, it's there
on Netflix. How about that? But yeah, you gotta see it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
The movie was originally titled The Predator mm hm and
it's actually better than the twenty eighteen version of the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Predator with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
With Charlie Sheen, yeah that was that was the one
that had Keegan Michael Key in it, and they made
the Super Predator Thomas Jane and all that. Yeah, this
is definitely better than that one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Love Mike, you know, Keegan Michael Key. Love the guy actions,
great action star. I'm not seeing it. I'm just gonna
say it. Stick to comedy. That's the thing that strong
suit do it, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Boom?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Well, anyway, that's Grizzly too. And uh hey, just in
time for the holidays, a Teddy Bear movie if you will,
sure whatever, but yeah, if yeah, if you're scrolling Netflix
and you can't seem to find a title, I dare
you to put this in. It's a breeze. It's barely
over an hour, and it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Barely over an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
See what I did there?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
I do. See what you did there, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Okay, it's time for us to sign off. Oh my gosh,
I feel horrible for doing that. I do. I feel
like schwartzen Maker think Batman and Robin. All right, you
gotta cut out. So what did you let everybody know
where they can find more of your content around the webs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
You can find me on TikTok, at Movie Paul or
at Wallace I don't remember anymore, but you can find
the bear spray video.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
I'll send it to you here at if you did it,
you gotta see this as myself. You can catch me
over at town hall dot com. I got a column
there daily on the media called Rift from the Headlines,
and I'm also on the front page of Red State
on the regular, and you can catch me on twice
weekly podcast there called Liable Sources covering more of media

(01:34:26):
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yule Tide season.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Christmas time, baby, we I want to find a really
good The pad thing is is that I really enjoy
Silent Night or Deadly Night. I enjoyed Deadly Night and
I last year, and I enjoyed Crampis. I'd love to
discuss those films, but I enjoyed both of them. They're
not terrible movies. M M. I won't do Hallmark. I

(01:35:28):
can't do Hallmark this year. I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Oh, I might have a Christmas horror tinged one that's
pretty right up our rally. I think I think I
got a choice for us. We'll discuss awesome. I'll throw
it at you to see what you think. I think
we got material on that one, for sure. So yeah, well,

(01:35:52):
we'll come up with some yule tide and merriment, as
it were, a coal in your cinematic stocking, and we'll
tackle that in a couple of weeks as we come
back in a fortnight right here on Disasters in the Making.

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Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
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last week. Descend through, go through to the shadow Wave,
but there is a