April 20, 2026 • 44 mins
Somewhere between the lunchbox, the tablet screen, and the drive‑thru window, childhood took a detour. We’re witnessing a full‑blown pediatric health crisis—rising anxiety, attention issues, stalled growth, and inflammation hiding behind “normal” lab work. Dr. Adam Brockman dives into the hidden biology behind modern childhood, where the “Beige Diet” of ultra‑processed foods collides with young immune systems and developing brains. In this episode, you’ll hear the story of Evan—a boy whose stalled growth exposed a storm brewing in his gut—and discover why healing our kids means more than symptom‑chasing. Joined by integrative pediatric expert Dr. Matthew Hand, Dr. Brockman unpacks the Whole‑Child approach, showing parents how to rebuild resilience, restore balance, and rewrite the future of children’s health—one meal, one night of sleep, one mindful habit at a time
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Special Guest: Dr. Matthew Hand, Pediatric Nephrology Director and Professor at Dartmouth
Medical School and Children’s Hospital
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Special Guest: Dr. Matthew Hand, Pediatric Nephrology Director and Professor at Dartmouth
Medical School and Children’s Hospital
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Welcome, Welcome, you are listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show.
I'm doctor Adam Brockman, and folks today, let's talk about
our children.
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And somewhere between the.
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Lunch box, the tablet screen and the drive through window,
a lot of our kids they get pushed into a
biological conveyor belt that's headed in the wrong direction. We're
watching a pediatric health crisis unfold in real time, and
it's not subtle anymore. It shows up, you know, with
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a child who can't focus, and a teenager who can't
sleep in the seven year old with stomach pain, a
ten year old with anxiety, and a parent that's standing
in the kitchen wondering how things got this complicated this fast.
And we're not talking about just coughs or colds or
scraped knees anymore. This is about a generation that's growing
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up in a food in a lifestyle environment that is
actually colliding with their biology. And one of the biggest
driver of this is the beige diet. And you know
exactly what I mean. We're talking about the crackers, the nuggets,
the puffs, the fries, the bars, the cereal, the chips,
the toaster pastries, the white bread, the sweeten yogurt tubes
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in the ultra process convenient foods that dominate the modern
childhood menu. Their shelf stable and their kid friendly, and
they're everywhere, but they also create a nutritional wasteland. In
many homes, children are eating calories that are empty. It's
fuel without intelligence. We're seeing bodies that are overfed and
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undernourished at the same time. And that's where this whole
child philosophy has to come in. If we really want
to protect the future of our children, we can't just
chase symptoms from one doctor's office to the next. We
have to ask the bigger questions, what is happening in
our gut, what is happening in our brain, and what
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is happening in the immune system or in a sleep cycle,
or in our nutrient reserves, or what about even our
stress response. Because a child is not a collection of
disconnected parts. A child is an ecosystem. And when an
ecosystem gets overloaded with inflammatory foods, are chronic stress or
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poor sleep, or have those nutritional gaps, the body starts
waving red flags. And the troubling part is how normal
this has become. We have pediatric mental health visits, they're climbing,
Metabolic issues in children are showing up even earlier, and
digestive complaints are becoming routine as and we have attention
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problems and mood swings and skin issues and immune dysfunction,
and they're often treated like unrelated bad luck when in
many cases they're connected at the same biological thread. And
there's good news, and that is this. Once you see
that pattern, you can start changing the pattern. You can
shift the inputs, you can rebuild that terrain. So here's
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your cue to join in the conversation. Do you have
questions on children's health or maybe a recommendation that has
worked for you and your children. I want you to
chime in. You can do that through our hotline which
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that's eight hundred six zero six eight A two two,
or at doctor bob dot com spelling out the word
doctor doct r bob dot com and folks. Later in
the show, after the break, we're going to be joined
in by one of the leading voices in integrative pediatric medicine,
and that's doctor Matthew Hand. He's the Section Chief of
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Pediatric Nephrology in the Director of Pediatric Integrative Medicine at
Dartmouth Health Children's Hospital and you've probably seen him on
twenty twenty in the Discovery Channel and even the Oprah
Winfrey Show. So he's going to be joining us later
to unpack what parents can do right now to support
that resilience, the growth in the long term health and
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their kids. But before doctor Hann joins us, I want
to I want you to take in. I want to
share a story that hits this issue at home. So
I want to talk to you about Evan. Evan was
the kind of kid people described as just small for
his age until that explanation started to fall apart. At first,
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his parents they didn't panic. Some kids they're just late bloomers.
Some are just built smaller and families hear this all
the time. But over the months and then it happened
in years, that gap got harder to ignore. His friends
they kept growing, but Evan didn't. Shirts they still fit
long after they should have been out grown. Pants they
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stayed the same size, and photos from one birthday to
the next looked almost frozen in time. And his parents
they did what any caring family would do. They started
to ask questions, first with the pediatrician and then was specialists.
Was it genetics or thyroid issues or growth hormone deficiency
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or was he just a slow starter? And on paper,
some of these basics they didn't look as dramatic as
you know to trigger an alarm. Let's say that's that's
often how these stories begin, not with one giant crisis,
but with a long trail of these little clues that
they're easy to dismiss when you're only looking at one
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lab or one symptom or one office visit at a time.
But Evans's growth chart was telling a different story. Growth
in children is one of the most important vital signs
that we have. It's that bodies report card. And when
growth starts to stall, the body is usually spinning energy
somewhere else. And that's the part that most people miss.
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A child doesn't just randomly stop growing. If the body
is under siege, it starts to shift its priorities. Instead
of building bone or muscle or tissue, it diverts resources
to defense or inflammation control or survival. So as this
work up on Evan deep and more pieces start to emerge.
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Evan had a history of digestive complaints that never seemed
dramatic enough to dominate this conversation. He had some bloating,
some abdominal discomfort, and periods of poor appetite and occasional fatigue.
Nothing that is is theatrical, nothing that screamed emergency. But
taken together, these were random, not necessarily random footprints.
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They were breadcrumbs.
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And this is where that conventional symptom by symptom model
can miss the hidden architecture of disease. One one doctor
sees a growth delay, one sees stomach issues, one sees fatigue,
one sees mood changes. But the body is often telling
one story in several different languages. And eventually that focus
turned to where it should have been with Evan, and
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that is the gut. And that's what was found. Was
like a hidden storm, not always obvious from the outside,
but active on that inside. So we got chronic intestinal
inflammation that can quietly rob a child of those raw
materials that are needed to grow. It reduces that absorption
of iron or zinc or protein or fat soluble vitamins, magnesium,
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or other key nutrients, and it triggers immune activation or
systemic stress, and that interferes with his hormone signaling. So
if we're talking about this, the body becomes too busy
fighting an internal fire to build a healthy child. And
for some kids the hidden storm may be siliac disease.
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For others, it might be inflammatory bowel disease, or food sensitivities,
or dys biosis or chronic constipation. You get what I'm
saying here. That exact diagnosis it may matter, but the
larger principle matters too. When the gut is compromised, growth
can become collateral damage. And that's why this story matters
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so much, because Evans case is not just about one
boy who stopped growing. It's about how many children are
waiving this biological distress flags and they get mistaken for
personality or pickiness or just a phase. It's about how
easy it is to normalize low energy or poor appetite,
or chronic tummy aches or these skin flare ups, and
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also the stalled growth when they've all become so common.
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So parents, if your.
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Child is always tired or always bloated, or always constipated
or always moody, you know, don't ignore that. Don't let
anybody convince you that the body's warning it's their meaningless.
The body keeps score and in children, one of the
first places it shows up is in their development. So
Evan's story it's a reminder that the gut is not
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just a digestive tube. It's a command center. It influences
nutrient absorption and immune balance and inflammation, in neurotransmitter production,
and then in this case obviously growth itself. And when
there's a storm, the whole child feels it.
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And so folks, after.
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The break, we're going to zoom in and look at
this this mystery and connect the dots with one of
the best people to do that in the country, and
that's doctor Matthew Hand.
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He'll be joining.
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Us just after the break to talk about pediatric mental
health crisis, this biological blueprint that's beneath it, and why
this whole child model may be one of the most
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the Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm your host, Doctor Adam Brockman,
and today we're going to continue to dive into a
topic that hits home for every single person that's listening,
and that is the health in the future of our children.
We live now where health it's often defined by the
absence of symptoms. But if we want our kids.
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To thrive, to truly thrive with.
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Vitality and resilience, we have to dig into that a
little bit deeper. So I've asked a special guest today,
and as a true leader in the world of pediatrics,
it's doctor Matthew Hand. And he's not just any doctor.
He's the chief of pediatric Nephrology and he's also the
director of Pediatric Integrative Medicine at dartmouths Health's their children's
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hospital on Dartmouth's Medical School campus. And you may have
seen him on twenty twenty also the Discovery Channel and
even the Oprah Winfrey Show. He's at the forefront of
bridging that gap between conventional medicine and that evidence based
integrative world. So with that, I want to welcome doctor
Matthew Hand to the program. How are you today, doctor Hand.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
I'm great, I'm great. Thanks for having me. I can't
wait to talk. I look forward to going over the
stuff and really trying to change healthcare for children. It's
been a mission of mind for a long time. So
I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Great, great, great, and I'm excited to have you on
the show. This is important conversation because really, you know,
that is our future. We need to look at that
and see just tweak where we can. And really, doctor Hann,
I want to start with talking about something that's very important,
and that's mental health. We're seeing this shocking, staggering record
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a number of visits and mental health for pediatric patients,
and to me, I see it as as a crisis,
plain and simple. From that integrative medicine approach that you
use that perspective, what are some non pharmaceutical type of
foundational blocks, like specific nutrients or lifestyle habits that parents
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can start to use to support that child's emotional stability.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Yeah, it's a great question. And if you think about it,
if you go back to when I first started in medicine,
which I won't tell you how long ago it was
because I'm actually very young, but the fact is that
we had almost no kids that were presenting with anxiety, depression,
severe CD issues, all the things that we're seeing right now,
that is insomnia, which all falls into that sort of
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mental health realm. And it was actually a very very
very small percentage. And now if you look at the numbers,
surveys have shown that over half the children, particularly adolescents,
are reporting some degree of anxiety on a general basis,
and over twenty five percent to thirty percent are actually
maybe even higher than that. I suspect it's even higher
now now are being treated for anxiety and or depression.
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And if you think about anxiety and depression basically the
same concepts. Lattu once said that if you think about
the future, you get anxious. If you think about the past,
you get depressed. And if we stay in the moment,
that's where we are all okay. And it's really true,
and we see this now for our kids, and this
has really evolved to where we're looking at numbers that
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we used to see in the adult population in terms
of anxiety and depression and other mental health concerns. And why,
you know, the question is why, And I think anybody
who lives out there now can understand it. The foods
are different, our movement is different, our exercise is different.
The stressors on children have gone up tremendously. You talk
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about things that used to be in college or now
in high school. Things in high school are now in
middle school. Things in middle school are now into grammar school.
These pressures have just ramped up on these children. You
look at social media, you look at electronic exposure. That's
been a real big topic in the media lately, but
we've known this for a long long time there. In fact,
Europe was way ahead of us in this. So the
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days of walking to and from school and having some
recess and having breaks and having an hour for lunch,
having gym, having things that helped to break our day,
not having social media all the time, being able to
walk home. All the things that helped to excuse me
sort of calm and settle us are sort of gone.
We eat high glycemic load foods, which cause a lot
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of shifts, and I think if we look at that
and say, well, how do we change that and how
do we actually now integrate that into our treatment plans
for kids? It didn't necessarily have to be there years
ago because it was sort of automatically there, but it
isn't there anymore. So we all we literally look at
every single modality that's out there from an integrative standpoint,
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and we start with food. You know, we look at
food and trying to get more fight of nutrients in.
We know anxiety and mental health issues has an inflammatory component,
so looking at foods decrease inflammation in the body, all oils,
lower glycemic load, meaningless starches and sugars, but really ramping
up the phytoenutrients and looking at how food can can
help trying to get a little yin to the yang
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or leaking into the yong. And day to day movements,
so having some kind of calming movement that they do.
Some of the most stressed patients I have actually are
my athletes who are trying to get to another level
and there's no yin to the yang. It's all go, go, go,
go go. So incorporating five or ten minutes and a
mindfulness based movement is really important. And then we look
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at other supplements and herbs that depend and those can
be anything from omega three fats to vitamin D to
in particular the nerve ine nerves that we use, the
alpheidines and the valarian roots and sometimes CPD oil. But
bringing in these other things that can be quite helpful
for them. I know there's a bit of a long
answer to the question, and we could go on forever
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on that, but I'll stop and you can ask me
something else.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
No, No, that was that was great.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That was That's exactly what I want listeners to to hear,
because these these numbers for for these these mental health patients,
for for pediatrics, they're they're troubling. So a lot of
times when we look at at mental health, we often
jump straight to therapy or medication, and that definitely has
its place, but we often we we frequently ignore that
biological foundation. So I think, uh, I think you may
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have made mention of this before, maybe like a nutritional
psychiatry and and for for example, just talking about a
couple of these nutritional components. Magnesium, it's involved in over
three hundred biochemical reactions and many of them regulate the
stress response. So if if we know a child's deficient,
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and that may be like you said, it might be
to poor soil quality and high sugar diets, that nervous
system is stuck in a high light, high high alert state.
And then you mentioned the OMEGA three fatty acids, which
I'm I'm I'm huge on across the board for adult
seniors all the way down to pediatric you know, consumers, patients, listeners,
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they have that specific the E p A, that DHA component,
and the brain we know is that sixty percent fat.
So if we're not providing those building blocks that can
really affect affect the mood that state. But you you
really you gave some powerful points and I can want
to continue this conversation on those, but I want you
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to touch on this briefly. We can we can't build
that foundation if we don't have those nutrients in place,
and there's a particular line of products that you like
for children, I want you to tell our listeners what
line of products that is in what you like about
their line?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah, well, the Vinci line or the little Da Vinci line,
we actually put together years ago to try and replace
a lot of this, And you're exactly right. The lack
of these nutrients is tremendous. Right now. We know the
vitamin D is deficient. We know that make a threezer deficient.
We know when we look at the foods that we have,
they're they're missing many things that they used to have.
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So years ago, Da Vinci and I got together and said, hey,
what can we do for kids? Because one, you wanted
to be as clean as you possibly could, because we
don't want a lot of dyes and we don't want
a lot of sugar or things like that into them.
We also wanted to make sure that they reached the
amount that fit for the scientific data, because most of
the petric supplements at the time didn't have that. They
really were missing what would actually be looked at from
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a data standpoint to show that there was a benefit
to them. And so then we had to make them.
We had to make them taste good, okay, because kids
aren't going to eat them if they don't taste good.
One of the ones actually we tried one time and
it didn't come out very good and one of the
kids said, are you trying to poison me? So we
realized we had to change the flavor for that one.
But no, so Da Vinci and I sat down and
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looked at things that were missing on the market and
what we could do specifically for children and really put
these products together to match what the kids need. We
didn't look at huge amounts. We looked at what we
cover about eighty five percent of the population in terms
of what the kids could look at, including Omega three's
vitamin D, multi vitamin, probiotics and those types of things.
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Elth And is a common product too.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Well, let's get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Doctor hand I got to take a take a quick break,
but when we come back, I definitely want to discuss
the Da Vinci line and more what you uh, some
of those some of those health truth bombs you dropped
in that in that first first uh, the first part
of the conversation. So again we're with doctor Matthew Hand.
He is the chief the Pediatric Neuphrology Director at Dartmouth
University Medical School, Children's at Children's Health Hospital. Will be
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You're listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm doctor
Adam Brockman, and I'm here today with doctor Matthew Hand.
He is the chief chief at Dartmouth. He's the pediatric
nephrology Director. He also is very involved with integrative medicine
at the school. And again we've been talking. We briefly
mentioned about a little DA Vinci's line for pediatric pediatric ages,
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I want to get back in this conversation with doctor
hand and doctor Hand. Now staying on the path of
some of those hidden connections that you that you mentioned
in the last segment. You're an expert in kidney health,
and most most parents think of the kidneys as just
a filtration system. But how does the child's physical health,
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in particular their gut or their kidney function actually influence
their mood and also their focus in the classroom.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Yeah, it's a great question. And you know, we think
of the kidneys as just making urine, right, that's what
that we think of it in sort of traditional everybody
in the world thinks of it that way. It turns
out the kidneys actually control every facet of your body.
They control Your heart can't work right without your kidneys,
your brain can't work right without your kidneys. No organ
can work right without the kidneys. And in traditional Chinese
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medicine or East Asian medicine, the kidneys are viewed as
the single most important organ in the body in terms
of its overall control how the body works. So it
does have a lot of importance. But interestingly, the gut
health is really really important, and we're learning more and
more about gut health and how this biosis changing the
microbiome and what happens within our intestines actually impacts not
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only just our gut, but the rest of us. How
it impacts our brain, how it impacts our ability to focus.
This biosis has been associated with adhdd biosis has been
when I say dys biosis obviously people understand that, but
it means change in the bacterial flora and the intestines
that they's been associated with changing autism patients. So and
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also just if you look at inflammatory markers, it's very
important terms of inflammation. And so the kidneys and the
gut all work together in terms of being able to
balance all of this out. And the healthier both those
organs are, the better we are for long term success,
and the better we are for both our mental health,
our inflammatory process in our body, and in particular for
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kids their ability to function. If your belly doesn't feel good,
you don't do very well. And this huge percentage of
children are dealing with abdominal pain. And so when we
really try and target those organs for overall health and wellness,
we know that we do better and the kids do better.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, and like you said, it's it's all interconnected. And
I know that you're you're very big on that whole
child approach. So you got the kidneys there, they're vital
for maintaining which you said, that internal environment, including the
electrolyte balance, blood pressure, you know, a number of different
things in nearly every body system. And so when these
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things are off even slightly, it can lead to that
that brain fog, the fatigue what we're seeing now with
the younger and younger patients. But this, this gut brain
axis is perhaps that most direct link. So we got
about ninety percent of the body serotonin, that that feel
good neurotransmitter, we could say that's that's produced.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
In the gut.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And if a child has chronic inflammation or that dys
biosis like you mentioned, which is that imbalance of the
gut bacteria, it sends that distress signs all up the
vegus nerve all the way to the brain. And you know,
we got we got the adh D symptoms for focus
even even aggression here. So we need to start treating
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that stomach or in this case, the whole system and
including the kidney, and then we're starting to treat that
nervous system as as a as a reaction to that
or would that be safe to stay.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, it's really hard
when you look at the data on this because there's
massive amounts of information out there and the connections. But
what you really do when you actually put the whole
thing together is you realize that all this is connected.
These aren't reduction theory where it's just A plus B
equals C, but all these interconnections that are occurring. So
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the food you're eating is changing the bacteria and the gout.
The bacteria and the gut is changing your inflammatory response
and changing your serotonin response. The antibiotics that you need
for something might change that, and all of this sort
of creates this complexity theory that we that we really
have to look at in the overall health for kids.
And I think and the vagual nerve, as you're saying,
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and I know as an ostropathic doc, when we treat
babies in the neonatal intensive care unit and we release
that vague nerve with gentle manipulation techniques, the whole body colms.
And so when we can look at this and we
look at both, so we talk about it from a
subliment standpoint, we talk about it from a food standpoint, prebiotics, probiotics,
all the things that help these things to work well
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and heal. And when you get to the kidneys, I mean,
one of the big things we're seeing now is we
if you just want to talk about things like obesity
for example, and obesity, it's impacts on the kidneys, it's
impact packs on blood pressure, its impact on mental health.
All of these things seem to sort of come together
and you see things now and kids that we never
saw in kids. This was only seeing adults for a long, long,
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long long time, but now kids are dealing with it
at almost equal rates that adults are. So if we
can work on the gut, and we can work on
the kidneys, we can work on sodium intake, We can
watch our sugar so we don't see lots of blood
sugar swings and kids, so we lower inflammation if we
work on improving that and the bacterial flora, the microbiome,
all these things impact mental health, they impact overall wellness,
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and they impact long term success in terms of resilience
for the kids.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Are there are there any specific supplements that you recommend
to balance out that gut microbiome and and help with
the kidney kidney you know, if you will just a
function in general for pediatric agency.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a great question, and you know we we do.
I mean, first of all, we always talk about food, right,
and we can talk about tricks to get kids to
eat bet I don't call them tricks, but ways to
do that. But I use a lot of probiotics. I mean,
the data on probiotics is getting stronger. It's it's you know,
people can argue one study versus another, but the preponderance
of the evidence is showing, you know, larger numbers of
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colony forming units with more broad overall organisms tends to
help with many things, including belly pay and including colic
and including with improving some of the dis iosis is
going on. We look at prebiotics, prebiotics sometimes we really
try and target that with food as much as possible,
but sometimes it's just not what the kids are getting
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in depending on what they're eating. So we'll use those
two if someone is dealing with more extensive GI issues.
So let's say somebody's having more crampy belly pain or
having a nausea, what have you, Things like in terra cota,
peppermin oil, ginger, those can be used in some of
the kids to help. But interestingly, the nervine herbs, so
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using things like valerian roots or eltheenine, some of these
things that help to calm the mind also calm the gut,
so it's really a mix. So we use a lot
of the nervine nerbs to help the kids to heal
and feel better from a GI standpoint.
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We're talking with doctor Matthew Hand. He is the chief
the Pediatric Neuphrology Director and he's also the Pediatric Integrative
Medicine Professor at Dartmouth Health Children's Hospital at the Dartmoth
Medical School campus. And we're talking today about how we
can improve our children's health and in particular their mental focus.
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We're talking with doctor Matthew Hand about the future of
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Martin Show. And I'm doctor Adam Brockman now doctor hand
the new guidelines, the dietary guidelines that go through I
think about twenty thirty. They're finally catching up to what
we've known for years, and that's that we need to
get back to whole foods, that those minimally processed foods.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
But I also want to know we know this, Let's
get real.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Parents are busy between all the practices, the soccer practice, homework,
whole foods, they seem like a tall order. So I
wanted just maybe a few, Maybe let's just say three
of those most impactful food swaps that we can start
to make this week that improves child's long term health.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Say, yeah, no, it's a great question, and I'll come
into the swap part in a second. But I think
even more important is yes, medicine. If you really want
to make a change, the swap is one thing, But
if you really want to make the change, get the
kid to tell you what they need to eat. Okay,
this is the biggest thing that I think we tend
to tell kids what to do all the time. The
kids are actually very smart, and the kids have known
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for a long long time what they should be eating.
They're just not because we have in some cases a
relative abundance of food, but easier foods that are more
ultra processed, high density calorie kind of thing, and also
typically high and salt and sugar. So we got to
try and get away from that. But one of the
best ways to get the kids to eat better is
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just ask them a simple question. You know, if you
look at the food in front of you, which of
these do you think is better for you? Okay? And
then don't take things away. One of the biggest problems
we have is we tell kids what they can't have,
not what they should have. And so I always tell
the kids a simple thing. If you want to take
one thing to do, just say which food do you
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think is better for you? And anytime you're somewhere, it
doesn't matter where you are, school, home, friend's house, or whatever.
After a game, start with the healing food. Just start
with your healing food. If you look at a kid
and say, okay, there's a donut and there's a bowl
of fruit, which you think is better for you? You know,
which is better for your belly pain, or which is
better for your headache, Which is better for your anxiety?
Well they always know, but they want the donut. If
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you tell them they can't have the donut, they're going
to eat the donut and ignore the fruit. But if
they start with the healing food every time, they have
now control over this. And in the beginning of this
we talked a little bit about resilience and giving them
control also gives them resilience. So if they start with
the healing food every time, you'll see an amazing shift. Yes,
we are now catching up as a society in terms
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of what we should eat, but we've known it for
a long time. Just how do you make it happen?
And I can tell you if you do that with
it's not going to work every time, But if you
do it consistently over three months, the kids are going
to ramp up their fighter nutrients, they're going to decrease
some of the starchy and ultra processed foods, and they're
going to start really taking control over their life. So
asking that question in a non judgmental way every time
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is really important. So it is so when we look
at other swaps that are out there, trying to look
at things, you know, like if you can't get fresh stuff,
using frozen is okay. Particularly with certain things, it's a
little easier to cook and to eat. That way, try
and look at the healing nature of each food that
you're getting. So no matter where they are, if they're
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asking themselves which food is more healing for them, they
will migrate towards that in an attempt to eat that
prior to eating the other foods. I think that's you know,
we can talk about, you know, swapping out you know,
something for multi vitamins and stuff like that, which I
do think multi vitamins are important now because I just
don't think our foods have been and what they used
to have, and I strongly recommend those and I do recommend,
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you know, obviously omega three fats because it's hard to
get the omega three fats in. But even adding like
ground flax seed to sauces that you're making, if the
kids like certain sauces, cooking noodles a little more iledentate
to decrease some of the glycemic load for the noodles
that are there. These are subtle things that you can
do that can be actually very helpful for the kids.
But always ask them do you think food is important
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in your health? And if you do, which food would
you start with To heal yourself and believe it or not,
it makes a dramatic change that can really answer your
question completely, but it gives you. But this is really
the important thing is getting these kids to engage in
this process.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
So well, this is such an important conversation that we're
probably just going to be able to touch on a
few things today. And I really and I really do
like that because we know, we know a lot of
times that that we know when we need something in
our in our diets, you know, something starts to starts
to fail or whatnot. In children, they're they're able to
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just go ahead and say that, and I like giving
that option to to do that.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And moderation is the key.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
If you take out everything, they're they're just going to
I always say say this, you know, we had to
have some moderation because if they turn eighteen and they've
never had they've never had a burger, then they're going
to gravitate towards that at a and you're never gonna
see You're never gonna have any good foods again.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Right, So, so moderation is the key.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And you know something that something that that we talk
about often is something like let's just call it you
know the beige diet. That is, if it's beige and
it comes in a crinkly bag, it's probably not doing
your kid any favors. So it's about being that health investigator.
We know those are alt processed foods, we need to
stay away from those. And then and then also these
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these high sugar contents content in a lot of the
foods that we eat. Now it's like marinating your your
your organs if you will, and the sugar.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
So, so as you know, we just got about a
minute or so before break doctor hand. But as a
as a nephrologist, why is it so critical that we
limit those hidden sugars in that sodium in early childhood?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Well, we got to watch the salt intake because we
know that it can lead to hypertension, which in some
in some populations thirteen percent of the petric population is
not hypertensive, which is crazy. Sugar is important not only
from the blood sugar standpoint, but the inflammatory process that
goes along with it. And that's why if you start
with the healing food, you block a lot of that,
and so people forget that they lower the glycemic load
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if they start with the fibery types food before the
isfore the starch, so you can hit all of those
things at once.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Again, we're talking with doctor Matthew Hand. He is the
the clinical Professor Pediatric, Pediatric Integrative Medicine Director at Dartmouth
University and uh and again I encourage you to visit
some of his work and you can find some of
it at da Vinci Labs dot com.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And we'll be right.
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What's wrong within?
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Welcome back.
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You're listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm doctor
Adam Brockman, and we're in our final segment with doctor
Matthew Hand and doctor Hand.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's been a pleasure to have you on the show today.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
Again.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
You probably may have seen doctor Hand on twenty twenty
or the Discovery Channel or the Oprah Winfrey Show, and
now he's on the Doctor Bob Martin Show, which I'm.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Glad to have him here.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
And you've dedicated your career to this, this whole child philosophy.
So I want you to say in the final couple
of minutes, how does the little Da Vinci supplement line
reflect this mission? And what's your your final word to
parents out there who want to protect their kids' future
in their health.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Yeah, it's a great It is a great point. So
I started doing integrated medicine twenty years ago. Back then
that were hardly any of us. Have you even trained
in integrated medicine, the pediatrics, and I realized a few
things that that we were seeing a shift in the
healthcare system. We're seeing kids now with chronic diseases that
the adults had. And I also realized that health is
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not just about pharmaceuticals and not just about dumping pills
into kids, which to become sort of commonplace, that really
everything can be a healing modality, everything from our food
to our movement, to our dogs and our pets, to
supplements and herbs and manual therapies, really anything that you
can bring in can be a healing modality, and that
the shift that was happening to our children was really
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taking them away from this concept of health and into
this concept of disease. So we started working on this.
That's what I'm doing now and I've been doing twenty years,
trying to incorporate this into healthcare of all the children
because their food is important and their movement is important.
And it's interesting, you know, when I see patients in
the office, you say to the kids, so do you
think your food is important in your health? And they're like, well,
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of course it is, like what's wrong with you? You know,
then you have health. Health Care has sort of ignored that,
do you think movement is important in your patient's health?
Of course it is. Why do you have even have
to ask this question? Well, because it sort of left
the concept of health and wellness, And so we've really
pushed this hard, and we've looked at the deficiencies the
kids have, what's either it's in their diet or what's
been out there just in terms of farming processes, what's
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in the soil, how hard it is to get them
to eat better foods, the effects of social media and
all the other external things that are impacting children. And
in order for us to really heal the kids, we
have to look at all of these processes and it
has to become a natural part of our healthcare system
and a natural part for parents to be able to
integrate easily, as easily as possible into their kids' overall
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health and wellness. As I said earlier in the show,
we're now looking at thirty five percent of kids dealing
with chronic pain, thirty five percent of kids dealing with
anxiety and being treated for them. Twenty five to forty
percent dealing with some degree of insomnia, none of none
of which traditional Western medicine has good therapeutic interventions.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Well again, doctor Hann, great information today, and thanks so
much for joining the show and shedding some light in
and it's a very confusing world. And that is supplementation
and nutrition for children. So, folks, again, this is about
arming yourself and your children with knowledge and taking control.
And to learn more about doctor Hand's work in the
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Welcome, Welcome, you are listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show.
I'm doctor Adam Brockman, and folks today, let's talk about
our children.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
And somewhere between the.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Lunch box, the tablet screen and the drive through window,
a lot of our kids they get pushed into a
biological conveyor belt that's headed in the wrong direction. We're
watching a pediatric health crisis unfold in real time, and
it's not subtle anymore. It shows up, you know, with
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a child who can't focus, and a teenager who can't
sleep in the seven year old with stomach pain, a
ten year old with anxiety, and a parent that's standing
in the kitchen wondering how things got this complicated this fast.
And we're not talking about just coughs or colds or
scraped knees anymore. This is about a generation that's growing
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up in a food in a lifestyle environment that is
actually colliding with their biology. And one of the biggest
driver of this is the beige diet. And you know
exactly what I mean. We're talking about the crackers, the nuggets,
the puffs, the fries, the bars, the cereal, the chips,
the toaster pastries, the white bread, the sweeten yogurt tubes
(02:12):
in the ultra process convenient foods that dominate the modern
childhood menu. Their shelf stable and their kid friendly, and
they're everywhere, but they also create a nutritional wasteland. In
many homes, children are eating calories that are empty. It's
fuel without intelligence. We're seeing bodies that are overfed and
(02:37):
undernourished at the same time. And that's where this whole
child philosophy has to come in. If we really want
to protect the future of our children, we can't just
chase symptoms from one doctor's office to the next. We
have to ask the bigger questions, what is happening in
our gut, what is happening in our brain, and what
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is happening in the immune system or in a sleep cycle,
or in our nutrient reserves, or what about even our
stress response. Because a child is not a collection of
disconnected parts. A child is an ecosystem. And when an
ecosystem gets overloaded with inflammatory foods, are chronic stress or
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poor sleep, or have those nutritional gaps, the body starts
waving red flags. And the troubling part is how normal
this has become. We have pediatric mental health visits, they're climbing,
Metabolic issues in children are showing up even earlier, and
digestive complaints are becoming routine as and we have attention
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problems and mood swings and skin issues and immune dysfunction,
and they're often treated like unrelated bad luck when in
many cases they're connected at the same biological thread. And
there's good news, and that is this. Once you see
that pattern, you can start changing the pattern. You can
shift the inputs, you can rebuild that terrain. So here's
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your cue to join in the conversation. Do you have
questions on children's health or maybe a recommendation that has
worked for you and your children. I want you to
chime in. You can do that through our hotline which
is eight hundred six zero six eight eight two two,
or our website which is doctor Bob dot com. Again
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that's eight hundred six zero six eight A two two,
or at doctor bob dot com spelling out the word
doctor doct r bob dot com and folks. Later in
the show, after the break, we're going to be joined
in by one of the leading voices in integrative pediatric medicine,
and that's doctor Matthew Hand. He's the Section Chief of
(04:53):
Pediatric Nephrology in the Director of Pediatric Integrative Medicine at
Dartmouth Health Children's Hospital and you've probably seen him on
twenty twenty in the Discovery Channel and even the Oprah
Winfrey Show. So he's going to be joining us later
to unpack what parents can do right now to support
that resilience, the growth in the long term health and
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their kids. But before doctor Hann joins us, I want
to I want you to take in. I want to
share a story that hits this issue at home. So
I want to talk to you about Evan. Evan was
the kind of kid people described as just small for
his age until that explanation started to fall apart. At first,
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his parents they didn't panic. Some kids they're just late bloomers.
Some are just built smaller and families hear this all
the time. But over the months and then it happened
in years, that gap got harder to ignore. His friends
they kept growing, but Evan didn't. Shirts they still fit
long after they should have been out grown. Pants they
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stayed the same size, and photos from one birthday to
the next looked almost frozen in time. And his parents
they did what any caring family would do. They started
to ask questions, first with the pediatrician and then was specialists.
Was it genetics or thyroid issues or growth hormone deficiency
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or was he just a slow starter? And on paper,
some of these basics they didn't look as dramatic as
you know to trigger an alarm. Let's say that's that's
often how these stories begin, not with one giant crisis,
but with a long trail of these little clues that
they're easy to dismiss when you're only looking at one
(06:45):
lab or one symptom or one office visit at a time.
But Evans's growth chart was telling a different story. Growth
in children is one of the most important vital signs
that we have. It's that bodies report card. And when
growth starts to stall, the body is usually spinning energy
somewhere else. And that's the part that most people miss.
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A child doesn't just randomly stop growing. If the body
is under siege, it starts to shift its priorities. Instead
of building bone or muscle or tissue, it diverts resources
to defense or inflammation control or survival. So as this
work up on Evan deep and more pieces start to emerge.
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Evan had a history of digestive complaints that never seemed
dramatic enough to dominate this conversation. He had some bloating,
some abdominal discomfort, and periods of poor appetite and occasional fatigue.
Nothing that is is theatrical, nothing that screamed emergency. But
taken together, these were random, not necessarily random footprints.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
They were breadcrumbs.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And this is where that conventional symptom by symptom model
can miss the hidden architecture of disease. One one doctor
sees a growth delay, one sees stomach issues, one sees fatigue,
one sees mood changes. But the body is often telling
one story in several different languages. And eventually that focus
turned to where it should have been with Evan, and
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that is the gut. And that's what was found. Was
like a hidden storm, not always obvious from the outside,
but active on that inside. So we got chronic intestinal
inflammation that can quietly rob a child of those raw
materials that are needed to grow. It reduces that absorption
of iron or zinc or protein or fat soluble vitamins, magnesium,
(08:37):
or other key nutrients, and it triggers immune activation or
systemic stress, and that interferes with his hormone signaling. So
if we're talking about this, the body becomes too busy
fighting an internal fire to build a healthy child. And
for some kids the hidden storm may be siliac disease.
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For others, it might be inflammatory bowel disease, or food sensitivities,
or dys biosis or chronic constipation. You get what I'm
saying here. That exact diagnosis it may matter, but the
larger principle matters too. When the gut is compromised, growth
can become collateral damage. And that's why this story matters
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so much, because Evans case is not just about one
boy who stopped growing. It's about how many children are
waiving this biological distress flags and they get mistaken for
personality or pickiness or just a phase. It's about how
easy it is to normalize low energy or poor appetite,
or chronic tummy aches or these skin flare ups, and
(09:43):
also the stalled growth when they've all become so common.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So parents, if your.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Child is always tired or always bloated, or always constipated
or always moody, you know, don't ignore that. Don't let
anybody convince you that the body's warning it's their meaningless.
The body keeps score and in children, one of the
first places it shows up is in their development. So
Evan's story it's a reminder that the gut is not
(10:10):
just a digestive tube. It's a command center. It influences
nutrient absorption and immune balance and inflammation, in neurotransmitter production,
and then in this case obviously growth itself. And when
there's a storm, the whole child feels it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
And so folks, after.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
The break, we're going to zoom in and look at
this this mystery and connect the dots with one of
the best people to do that in the country, and
that's doctor Matthew Hand.
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He'll be joining.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Us just after the break to talk about pediatric mental
health crisis, this biological blueprint that's beneath it, and why
this whole child model may be one of the most
important course corrections in modern medicine. So don't go anywhere
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the Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm your host, Doctor Adam Brockman,
and today we're going to continue to dive into a
topic that hits home for every single person that's listening,
and that is the health in the future of our children.
We live now where health it's often defined by the
absence of symptoms. But if we want our kids.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
To thrive, to truly thrive with.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Vitality and resilience, we have to dig into that a
little bit deeper. So I've asked a special guest today,
and as a true leader in the world of pediatrics,
it's doctor Matthew Hand. And he's not just any doctor.
He's the chief of pediatric Nephrology and he's also the
director of Pediatric Integrative Medicine at dartmouths Health's their children's
(12:59):
hospital on Dartmouth's Medical School campus. And you may have
seen him on twenty twenty also the Discovery Channel and
even the Oprah Winfrey Show. He's at the forefront of
bridging that gap between conventional medicine and that evidence based
integrative world. So with that, I want to welcome doctor
Matthew Hand to the program. How are you today, doctor Hand.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
I'm great, I'm great. Thanks for having me. I can't
wait to talk. I look forward to going over the
stuff and really trying to change healthcare for children. It's
been a mission of mind for a long time. So
I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Great, great, great, and I'm excited to have you on
the show. This is important conversation because really, you know,
that is our future. We need to look at that
and see just tweak where we can. And really, doctor Hann,
I want to start with talking about something that's very important,
and that's mental health. We're seeing this shocking, staggering record
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a number of visits and mental health for pediatric patients,
and to me, I see it as as a crisis,
plain and simple. From that integrative medicine approach that you
use that perspective, what are some non pharmaceutical type of
foundational blocks, like specific nutrients or lifestyle habits that parents
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can start to use to support that child's emotional stability.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Yeah, it's a great question. And if you think about it,
if you go back to when I first started in medicine,
which I won't tell you how long ago it was
because I'm actually very young, but the fact is that
we had almost no kids that were presenting with anxiety, depression,
severe CD issues, all the things that we're seeing right now,
that is insomnia, which all falls into that sort of
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mental health realm. And it was actually a very very
very small percentage. And now if you look at the numbers,
surveys have shown that over half the children, particularly adolescents,
are reporting some degree of anxiety on a general basis,
and over twenty five percent to thirty percent are actually
maybe even higher than that. I suspect it's even higher
now now are being treated for anxiety and or depression.
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And if you think about anxiety and depression basically the
same concepts. Lattu once said that if you think about
the future, you get anxious. If you think about the past,
you get depressed. And if we stay in the moment,
that's where we are all okay. And it's really true,
and we see this now for our kids, and this
has really evolved to where we're looking at numbers that
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we used to see in the adult population in terms
of anxiety and depression and other mental health concerns. And why,
you know, the question is why, And I think anybody
who lives out there now can understand it. The foods
are different, our movement is different, our exercise is different.
The stressors on children have gone up tremendously. You talk
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about things that used to be in college or now
in high school. Things in high school are now in
middle school. Things in middle school are now into grammar school.
These pressures have just ramped up on these children. You
look at social media, you look at electronic exposure. That's
been a real big topic in the media lately, but
we've known this for a long long time there. In fact,
Europe was way ahead of us in this. So the
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days of walking to and from school and having some
recess and having breaks and having an hour for lunch,
having gym, having things that helped to break our day,
not having social media all the time, being able to
walk home. All the things that helped to excuse me
sort of calm and settle us are sort of gone.
We eat high glycemic load foods, which cause a lot
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of shifts, and I think if we look at that
and say, well, how do we change that and how
do we actually now integrate that into our treatment plans
for kids? It didn't necessarily have to be there years
ago because it was sort of automatically there, but it
isn't there anymore. So we all we literally look at
every single modality that's out there from an integrative standpoint,
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and we start with food. You know, we look at
food and trying to get more fight of nutrients in.
We know anxiety and mental health issues has an inflammatory component,
so looking at foods decrease inflammation in the body, all oils,
lower glycemic load, meaningless starches and sugars, but really ramping
up the phytoenutrients and looking at how food can can
help trying to get a little yin to the yang
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or leaking into the yong. And day to day movements,
so having some kind of calming movement that they do.
Some of the most stressed patients I have actually are
my athletes who are trying to get to another level
and there's no yin to the yang. It's all go, go, go,
go go. So incorporating five or ten minutes and a
mindfulness based movement is really important. And then we look
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at other supplements and herbs that depend and those can
be anything from omega three fats to vitamin D to
in particular the nerve ine nerves that we use, the
alpheidines and the valarian roots and sometimes CPD oil. But
bringing in these other things that can be quite helpful
for them. I know there's a bit of a long
answer to the question, and we could go on forever
(17:55):
on that, but I'll stop and you can ask me
something else.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
No, No, that was that was great.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That was That's exactly what I want listeners to to hear,
because these these numbers for for these these mental health patients,
for for pediatrics, they're they're troubling. So a lot of
times when we look at at mental health, we often
jump straight to therapy or medication, and that definitely has
its place, but we often we we frequently ignore that
biological foundation. So I think, uh, I think you may
(18:24):
have made mention of this before, maybe like a nutritional
psychiatry and and for for example, just talking about a
couple of these nutritional components. Magnesium, it's involved in over
three hundred biochemical reactions and many of them regulate the
stress response. So if if we know a child's deficient,
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and that may be like you said, it might be
to poor soil quality and high sugar diets, that nervous
system is stuck in a high light, high high alert state.
And then you mentioned the OMEGA three fatty acids, which
I'm I'm I'm huge on across the board for adult
seniors all the way down to pediatric you know, consumers, patients, listeners,
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they have that specific the E p A, that DHA component,
and the brain we know is that sixty percent fat.
So if we're not providing those building blocks that can
really affect affect the mood that state. But you you
really you gave some powerful points and I can want
to continue this conversation on those, but I want you
(19:31):
to touch on this briefly. We can we can't build
that foundation if we don't have those nutrients in place,
and there's a particular line of products that you like
for children, I want you to tell our listeners what
line of products that is in what you like about
their line?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah, well, the Vinci line or the little Da Vinci line,
we actually put together years ago to try and replace
a lot of this, And you're exactly right. The lack
of these nutrients is tremendous. Right now. We know the
vitamin D is deficient. We know that make a threezer deficient.
We know when we look at the foods that we have,
they're they're missing many things that they used to have.
(20:06):
So years ago, Da Vinci and I got together and said, hey,
what can we do for kids? Because one, you wanted
to be as clean as you possibly could, because we
don't want a lot of dyes and we don't want
a lot of sugar or things like that into them.
We also wanted to make sure that they reached the
amount that fit for the scientific data, because most of
the petric supplements at the time didn't have that. They
really were missing what would actually be looked at from
(20:28):
a data standpoint to show that there was a benefit
to them. And so then we had to make them.
We had to make them taste good, okay, because kids
aren't going to eat them if they don't taste good.
One of the ones actually we tried one time and
it didn't come out very good and one of the
kids said, are you trying to poison me? So we
realized we had to change the flavor for that one.
But no, so Da Vinci and I sat down and
(20:50):
looked at things that were missing on the market and
what we could do specifically for children and really put
these products together to match what the kids need. We
didn't look at huge amounts. We looked at what we
cover about eighty five percent of the population in terms
of what the kids could look at, including Omega three's
vitamin D, multi vitamin, probiotics and those types of things.
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Elth And is a common product too.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Well, let's get into that a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Doctor hand I got to take a take a quick break,
but when we come back, I definitely want to discuss
the Da Vinci line and more what you uh, some
of those some of those health truth bombs you dropped
in that in that first first uh, the first part
of the conversation. So again we're with doctor Matthew Hand.
He is the chief the Pediatric Neuphrology Director at Dartmouth
University Medical School, Children's at Children's Health Hospital. Will be
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Adam Brockman, and I'm here today with doctor Matthew Hand.
He is the chief chief at Dartmouth. He's the pediatric
nephrology Director. He also is very involved with integrative medicine
at the school. And again we've been talking. We briefly
mentioned about a little DA Vinci's line for pediatric pediatric ages,
(22:29):
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their line. It's at DA Vinci Labs dot com. That's
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I want to get back in this conversation with doctor
hand and doctor Hand. Now staying on the path of
some of those hidden connections that you that you mentioned
in the last segment. You're an expert in kidney health,
and most most parents think of the kidneys as just
a filtration system. But how does the child's physical health,
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in particular their gut or their kidney function actually influence
their mood and also their focus in the classroom.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Yeah, it's a great question. And you know, we think
of the kidneys as just making urine, right, that's what
that we think of it in sort of traditional everybody
in the world thinks of it that way. It turns
out the kidneys actually control every facet of your body.
They control Your heart can't work right without your kidneys,
your brain can't work right without your kidneys. No organ
can work right without the kidneys. And in traditional Chinese
(23:42):
medicine or East Asian medicine, the kidneys are viewed as
the single most important organ in the body in terms
of its overall control how the body works. So it
does have a lot of importance. But interestingly, the gut
health is really really important, and we're learning more and
more about gut health and how this biosis changing the
microbiome and what happens within our intestines actually impacts not
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only just our gut, but the rest of us. How
it impacts our brain, how it impacts our ability to focus.
This biosis has been associated with adhdd biosis has been
when I say dys biosis obviously people understand that, but
it means change in the bacterial flora and the intestines
that they's been associated with changing autism patients. So and
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also just if you look at inflammatory markers, it's very
important terms of inflammation. And so the kidneys and the
gut all work together in terms of being able to
balance all of this out. And the healthier both those
organs are, the better we are for long term success,
and the better we are for both our mental health,
our inflammatory process in our body, and in particular for
(24:49):
kids their ability to function. If your belly doesn't feel good,
you don't do very well. And this huge percentage of
children are dealing with abdominal pain. And so when we
really try and target those organs for overall health and wellness,
we know that we do better and the kids do better.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, and like you said, it's it's all interconnected. And
I know that you're you're very big on that whole
child approach. So you got the kidneys there, they're vital
for maintaining which you said, that internal environment, including the
electrolyte balance, blood pressure, you know, a number of different
things in nearly every body system. And so when these
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things are off even slightly, it can lead to that
that brain fog, the fatigue what we're seeing now with
the younger and younger patients. But this, this gut brain
axis is perhaps that most direct link. So we got
about ninety percent of the body serotonin, that that feel
good neurotransmitter, we could say that's that's produced.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
In the gut.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And if a child has chronic inflammation or that dys
biosis like you mentioned, which is that imbalance of the
gut bacteria, it sends that distress signs all up the
vegus nerve all the way to the brain. And you know,
we got we got the adh D symptoms for focus
even even aggression here. So we need to start treating
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that stomach or in this case, the whole system and
including the kidney, and then we're starting to treat that
nervous system as as a as a reaction to that
or would that be safe to stay.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, it's really hard
when you look at the data on this because there's
massive amounts of information out there and the connections. But
what you really do when you actually put the whole
thing together is you realize that all this is connected.
These aren't reduction theory where it's just A plus B
equals C, but all these interconnections that are occurring. So
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the food you're eating is changing the bacteria and the gout.
The bacteria and the gut is changing your inflammatory response
and changing your serotonin response. The antibiotics that you need
for something might change that, and all of this sort
of creates this complexity theory that we that we really
have to look at in the overall health for kids.
And I think and the vagual nerve, as you're saying,
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and I know as an ostropathic doc, when we treat
babies in the neonatal intensive care unit and we release
that vague nerve with gentle manipulation techniques, the whole body colms.
And so when we can look at this and we
look at both, so we talk about it from a
subliment standpoint, we talk about it from a food standpoint, prebiotics, probiotics,
all the things that help these things to work well
(27:24):
and heal. And when you get to the kidneys, I mean,
one of the big things we're seeing now is we
if you just want to talk about things like obesity
for example, and obesity, it's impacts on the kidneys, it's
impact packs on blood pressure, its impact on mental health.
All of these things seem to sort of come together
and you see things now and kids that we never
saw in kids. This was only seeing adults for a long, long,
(27:45):
long long time, but now kids are dealing with it
at almost equal rates that adults are. So if we
can work on the gut, and we can work on
the kidneys, we can work on sodium intake, We can
watch our sugar so we don't see lots of blood
sugar swings and kids, so we lower inflammation if we
work on improving that and the bacterial flora, the microbiome,
all these things impact mental health, they impact overall wellness,
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and they impact long term success in terms of resilience
for the kids.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Are there are there any specific supplements that you recommend
to balance out that gut microbiome and and help with
the kidney kidney you know, if you will just a
function in general for pediatric agency.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Yeah, it's a great question, and you know we we do.
I mean, first of all, we always talk about food, right,
and we can talk about tricks to get kids to
eat bet I don't call them tricks, but ways to
do that. But I use a lot of probiotics. I mean,
the data on probiotics is getting stronger. It's it's you know,
people can argue one study versus another, but the preponderance
of the evidence is showing, you know, larger numbers of
(28:48):
colony forming units with more broad overall organisms tends to
help with many things, including belly pay and including colic
and including with improving some of the dis iosis is
going on. We look at prebiotics, prebiotics sometimes we really
try and target that with food as much as possible,
but sometimes it's just not what the kids are getting
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in depending on what they're eating. So we'll use those
two if someone is dealing with more extensive GI issues.
So let's say somebody's having more crampy belly pain or
having a nausea, what have you, Things like in terra cota,
peppermin oil, ginger, those can be used in some of
the kids to help. But interestingly, the nervine herbs, so
(29:29):
using things like valerian roots or eltheenine, some of these
things that help to calm the mind also calm the gut,
so it's really a mix. So we use a lot
of the nervine nerbs to help the kids to heal
and feel better from a GI standpoint.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
We're talking with doctor Matthew Hand. He is the chief
the Pediatric Neuphrology Director and he's also the Pediatric Integrative
Medicine Professor at Dartmouth Health Children's Hospital at the Dartmoth
Medical School campus. And we're talking today about how we
can improve our children's health and in particular their mental focus.
(30:10):
And we've been talking about the little DA Vinci line
and listeners, if you're interested in finding out more information
about the research some of doctor Hand's works work, I
encourage you to head over to DA Vinci's website, which
is da Vinci Labs dot com and that's spelled d
a v i Nci Labs dot com. Doctor Hann, we
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this conversation. When we come back, we're gonna get into
it a little bit further. We're talking again with doctor
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We're talking with doctor Matthew Hand about the future of
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Martin Show. And I'm doctor Adam Brockman now doctor hand
the new guidelines, the dietary guidelines that go through I
think about twenty thirty. They're finally catching up to what
we've known for years, and that's that we need to
get back to whole foods, that those minimally processed foods.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
But I also want to know we know this, Let's
get real.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Parents are busy between all the practices, the soccer practice, homework,
whole foods, they seem like a tall order. So I
wanted just maybe a few, Maybe let's just say three
of those most impactful food swaps that we can start
to make this week that improves child's long term health.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Say, yeah, no, it's a great question, and I'll come
into the swap part in a second. But I think
even more important is yes, medicine. If you really want
to make a change, the swap is one thing, But
if you really want to make the change, get the
kid to tell you what they need to eat. Okay,
this is the biggest thing that I think we tend
to tell kids what to do all the time. The
kids are actually very smart, and the kids have known
(34:16):
for a long long time what they should be eating.
They're just not because we have in some cases a
relative abundance of food, but easier foods that are more
ultra processed, high density calorie kind of thing, and also
typically high and salt and sugar. So we got to
try and get away from that. But one of the
best ways to get the kids to eat better is
(34:36):
just ask them a simple question. You know, if you
look at the food in front of you, which of
these do you think is better for you? Okay? And
then don't take things away. One of the biggest problems
we have is we tell kids what they can't have,
not what they should have. And so I always tell
the kids a simple thing. If you want to take
one thing to do, just say which food do you
(34:57):
think is better for you? And anytime you're somewhere, it
doesn't matter where you are, school, home, friend's house, or whatever.
After a game, start with the healing food. Just start
with your healing food. If you look at a kid
and say, okay, there's a donut and there's a bowl
of fruit, which you think is better for you? You know,
which is better for your belly pain, or which is
better for your headache, Which is better for your anxiety?
Well they always know, but they want the donut. If
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you tell them they can't have the donut, they're going
to eat the donut and ignore the fruit. But if
they start with the healing food every time, they have
now control over this. And in the beginning of this
we talked a little bit about resilience and giving them
control also gives them resilience. So if they start with
the healing food every time, you'll see an amazing shift. Yes,
we are now catching up as a society in terms
(35:40):
of what we should eat, but we've known it for
a long time. Just how do you make it happen?
And I can tell you if you do that with
it's not going to work every time, But if you
do it consistently over three months, the kids are going
to ramp up their fighter nutrients, they're going to decrease
some of the starchy and ultra processed foods, and they're
going to start really taking control over their life. So
asking that question in a non judgmental way every time
(36:02):
is really important. So it is so when we look
at other swaps that are out there, trying to look
at things, you know, like if you can't get fresh stuff,
using frozen is okay. Particularly with certain things, it's a
little easier to cook and to eat. That way, try
and look at the healing nature of each food that
you're getting. So no matter where they are, if they're
(36:23):
asking themselves which food is more healing for them, they
will migrate towards that in an attempt to eat that
prior to eating the other foods. I think that's you know,
we can talk about, you know, swapping out you know,
something for multi vitamins and stuff like that, which I
do think multi vitamins are important now because I just
don't think our foods have been and what they used
to have, and I strongly recommend those and I do recommend,
(36:46):
you know, obviously omega three fats because it's hard to
get the omega three fats in. But even adding like
ground flax seed to sauces that you're making, if the
kids like certain sauces, cooking noodles a little more iledentate
to decrease some of the glycemic load for the noodles
that are there. These are subtle things that you can
do that can be actually very helpful for the kids.
But always ask them do you think food is important
(37:07):
in your health? And if you do, which food would
you start with To heal yourself and believe it or not,
it makes a dramatic change that can really answer your
question completely, but it gives you. But this is really
the important thing is getting these kids to engage in
this process.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
So well, this is such an important conversation that we're
probably just going to be able to touch on a
few things today. And I really and I really do
like that because we know, we know a lot of
times that that we know when we need something in
our in our diets, you know, something starts to starts
to fail or whatnot. In children, they're they're able to
(37:42):
just go ahead and say that, and I like giving
that option to to do that.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And moderation is the key.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
If you take out everything, they're they're just going to
I always say say this, you know, we had to
have some moderation because if they turn eighteen and they've
never had they've never had a burger, then they're going
to gravitate towards that at a and you're never gonna
see You're never gonna have any good foods again.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Right, So, so moderation is the key.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
And you know something that something that that we talk
about often is something like let's just call it you
know the beige diet. That is, if it's beige and
it comes in a crinkly bag, it's probably not doing
your kid any favors. So it's about being that health investigator.
We know those are alt processed foods, we need to
stay away from those. And then and then also these
(38:28):
these high sugar contents content in a lot of the
foods that we eat. Now it's like marinating your your
your organs if you will, and the sugar.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
So, so as you know, we just got about a
minute or so before break doctor hand. But as a
as a nephrologist, why is it so critical that we
limit those hidden sugars in that sodium in early childhood?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Well, we got to watch the salt intake because we
know that it can lead to hypertension, which in some
in some populations thirteen percent of the petric population is
not hypertensive, which is crazy. Sugar is important not only
from the blood sugar standpoint, but the inflammatory process that
goes along with it. And that's why if you start
with the healing food, you block a lot of that,
and so people forget that they lower the glycemic load
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if they start with the fibery types food before the
isfore the starch, so you can hit all of those
things at once.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Again, we're talking with doctor Matthew Hand. He is the
the clinical Professor Pediatric, Pediatric Integrative Medicine Director at Dartmouth
University and uh and again I encourage you to visit
some of his work and you can find some of
it at da Vinci Labs dot com.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And we'll be right.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
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What's wrong within? What's wrong within?
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What's wrong within?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
You're listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm doctor
Adam Brockman, and we're in our final segment with doctor
Matthew Hand and doctor Hand.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's been a pleasure to have you on the show today.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
Again.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
You probably may have seen doctor Hand on twenty twenty
or the Discovery Channel or the Oprah Winfrey Show, and
now he's on the Doctor Bob Martin Show, which I'm.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Glad to have him here.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
And you've dedicated your career to this, this whole child philosophy.
So I want you to say in the final couple
of minutes, how does the little Da Vinci supplement line
reflect this mission? And what's your your final word to
parents out there who want to protect their kids' future
in their health.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
Yeah, it's a great It is a great point. So
I started doing integrated medicine twenty years ago. Back then
that were hardly any of us. Have you even trained
in integrated medicine, the pediatrics, and I realized a few
things that that we were seeing a shift in the
healthcare system. We're seeing kids now with chronic diseases that
the adults had. And I also realized that health is
(42:03):
not just about pharmaceuticals and not just about dumping pills
into kids, which to become sort of commonplace, that really
everything can be a healing modality, everything from our food
to our movement, to our dogs and our pets, to
supplements and herbs and manual therapies, really anything that you
can bring in can be a healing modality, and that
the shift that was happening to our children was really
(42:25):
taking them away from this concept of health and into
this concept of disease. So we started working on this.
That's what I'm doing now and I've been doing twenty years,
trying to incorporate this into healthcare of all the children
because their food is important and their movement is important.
And it's interesting, you know, when I see patients in
the office, you say to the kids, so do you
think your food is important in your health? And they're like, well,
(42:45):
of course it is, like what's wrong with you? You know,
then you have health. Health Care has sort of ignored that,
do you think movement is important in your patient's health?
Of course it is. Why do you have even have
to ask this question? Well, because it sort of left
the concept of health and wellness, And so we've really
pushed this hard, and we've looked at the deficiencies the
kids have, what's either it's in their diet or what's
been out there just in terms of farming processes, what's
(43:08):
in the soil, how hard it is to get them
to eat better foods, the effects of social media and
all the other external things that are impacting children. And
in order for us to really heal the kids, we
have to look at all of these processes and it
has to become a natural part of our healthcare system
and a natural part for parents to be able to
integrate easily, as easily as possible into their kids' overall
(43:29):
health and wellness. As I said earlier in the show,
we're now looking at thirty five percent of kids dealing
with chronic pain, thirty five percent of kids dealing with
anxiety and being treated for them. Twenty five to forty
percent dealing with some degree of insomnia, none of none
of which traditional Western medicine has good therapeutic interventions.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Well again, doctor Hann, great information today, and thanks so
much for joining the show and shedding some light in
and it's a very confusing world. And that is supplementation
and nutrition for children. So, folks, again, this is about
arming yourself and your children with knowledge and taking control.
And to learn more about doctor Hand's work in the
little Da Vinci line, I encourage you to head over
(44:10):
to Da Vinci Labs dot com. That's d A v
I n Ci Labs dot com. You can also find
their products through trusted retailers like ierb dot com and Amazon,
and through healthcare professionals through full script or you can
ask questions through us at our website which is doctor
Bob dot com or our toll free hotline which is
eight hundred and six zero six eight A two to two.
(44:31):
This is doctor Adam Brockman for the Doctor Bob Martin Show.
And folks, your child's health is one of our greatest wealth.
I want you to protect it. I want you to
nurture it. And also I want to see you next
hour on the show.
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