Ep. 76: Drinking With... Dawn of the Dead

Spooky Season continues on 'Drinking With...' - pour up a 'Dead Don't Daiquiri' and join McCash as he looks back at this thrilling remake of George A. Romero's classic from 1978 alongside Brandon and Stoney. Today, we're drinking with...Dawn of the Dead. 

To make the Dead Don’t Daiquiri, you'll need:

• 2 oz Dark Rum
• 3/4 oz Lime Juice
• 1/2 oz Blood Orange Liqueur
• 1/2 oz Simple Syrup
• 2 dashes bitters
• Red Sugar
• Freeze Dried Raspberries

Directions:

Rim a glass with lime juice and red sugar for that “flesh wound” look. Shake all ingredients with ice. Strain into the glass. Garnish with gummy brains for an added spooky take. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
The Sobros Network presents the Movie podcast, breaking down films
and their impact on pop culture as they approach the
legal drinking age. This is Drinking With Now here's your host,
Steven m cash.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to Drinking With, the podcast where we raise the
glass of the movies that have reached the legal drinking age.
I'm your host, Steve mccash or the Sobros Network, and
join me as we embark on a cinematic journey through
the classics of yesteryear, celebrating their twenty first birthdays in style,
from iconic blockbusters the hitting gyms. Each episode we toast
to a different film that has stood the test of
time and shaped our cultural landscape, especially this one we

(00:57):
have for you today. So grab your favorite beverage, the
one we have curated for this episode, and let's dive
into the nostalgia as we explore movies that are finally
old enough to join us for a drink and two
people that are definitely old enough to join me for
a drink as well. Are the two best people I
can think of to stumble out of that said bar
with after a long discussion of movies. First is the
resident film critic of the Sobros Network, mister Brandon Vick,

(01:19):
who's also a member of the Southeastern Film Critics Association,
a board member of the Music City Films Critics Association,
and most importantly the birth giver the vix Flicks and
Cinema Chronicles podcast that you can hear wherever you get
your podcasts from, and as always joining him as the
man behind the Sobros Network, the e se the glue
of the brand of Jennifi Shinado, cat lover all around

(01:40):
football wordsmith, budding sports talk radio star. He is the one,
the only mister Stony Keeley, gentlemen, Happy Halloween, Spooky season.
How are we doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Doing pretty well? I'm I'm stoked to talk about this
movie because this is one that I haven't relived in
quite some time, and I I think it's an interesting
kind of moment in time to look back at some
some Dawn of the Dead.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, the zombie games changed.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
It has, that's for sure. They're faster now.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
They're faster, smarter, bigger.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Stronger, stronger. Still still eating brains.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Though, Yeah. Zach Zack Snyder, that was the name of
the filmmaker.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That he's done a couple.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Of things and James Gunn on the screenplay. That's a
it's a weird moment in time kind of film.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, he's just taking all the notes out of my
of my not taking well.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Honestly, that's one of the first things I thought. I
knew it was a Zack Snyder movie, even though it
doesn't look Phil or anything like a Zack Snyder movie.
Some would say that's good. And when I saw James
Gunn's name come up, I'm like, oh shit, I didn't
know he wrote this one. Then Ving Raimes, Yeah, my god,

(02:58):
I thought he only did Mission Impossible.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Kai Pfeiffer, Yes, as very own Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
And Sarah Pauli Sarah, she's an Oscar winner, Mandy queen
and an Oscar winner.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
But yeah we are talking to Phil Dumphy's in it
as an asshole.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yep. Definitely get that. Claire, Yeah, something changed, something changed something.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
But Donna the Dead follows a group of survivors who
take refuge in a suburban shopping mall during a sudden
and deadly zombie outbreak. As the undead hoarde grows outside,
tensions rise within, forcing the group to confront not only
the external threat but also their fears and conflicts, And
this is based off of the was it late seventies
early eighties George Romero Donna the Dead directed by Zack Snyder?

(03:46):
Has we we mentioned earlier, who's best known for his
directing work on three hundred, Watchman, Uh Sucker Punch, and
Rod Stewart's Leave Virginia Alone music video Excuse me no idea?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I know, no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Writing credits go to George A. Romero and James Gunn,
as we mentioned, who's best known for Movie forty three,
Scooby Doo, two Munsters Unleashed, and a little movie called Superman.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, which is funny because like now all the DC
fanboys like you have to pick a side between James
Gunn's DC Superman or Zack Snyder's so oh yeah, opposite
sides of the battle lines.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Even though we have and as we're talking about this film,
we have seen what happens when they come together.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Was it Rick and Morty?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh well, they played themselves in a Rick and Morty
right before Superman came out. And literally, like we're so
in on the joke about what all these fanboys have
been saying. That's why I thought, because they did come.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Together, the next Rick and Morty episode I see will
be the first.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I only know that because of social media. I've never
seen Rick and Morty. I thought they were the new
host on the River here and.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
That none of us have watched Rick and Morty. Correct,
we'll establish that on today show.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I do know it exists, but that's as far as
I can guess. We mentioned Sarah Polly Mackay, pif for
Ty Burrell, uh and Ving Raimes as the stars of
this film. Uh. So let's just jump into the drink.
I think I'm a little thirst Yeah. Uh, this is
more of a spring summery drink, but you know, in
the Nashville area in October it's still fucking warm. Let's

(05:36):
be honest. This is called the Dead Don't dacker.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
See what I did there? Two ounces of dark rum,
three quarters of an ounce of lime juice, a half
ounce of blood orange liqueur, a half ounce of simple syrup,
some bitters, some red sugar if you can find it,
and some freeze dried raspberries. So you're gonna rim a
glass with lime juice and then with the red sugar
for that fresh wound look. Shake all ingredients with ice

(06:06):
into a glass and then strain into a glass, and
then garnish with gummy bear gummy brains. Excuse me for
an added spooky look.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
That's very descriptive, and I can see it. I have
a drink anyway, but I can see it in my
mind before you even gave me the drink.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I like the vibes for this one. I was trying
to explain. All my coworkers at my day job are
up in Indiana, and I was trying to explain to
them the other day that Halloween's down here. You might
be sweating through your costume, or it might be snowing outside.
You don't really know, but this kind of kind of
fits the bill. You've got the horror visuals with the

(06:47):
tropical vibes.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Of the drink, and I think and I think it's
appropriate for spooky season. But after three SIPs, I'll be
in a diabetic.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Coma diabetic friendly by any means. Yeah, all sugar. Uh, Well,
you know, we got our drink out of the way.
We've talked about what we're discussed. We'll go in detail
about the film later, but you know, first things we
like talk about is money because money is what makes things.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, just just to be clear, Georgia Romero is credited
because he wrote the original.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Okay, I don't know if a lot of people know
that this is actually a remake.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, they just learned earlier when I told him it was.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I said it. Oh sorry, I wasn't here at the time.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I thought it was more of a reboot.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, I guess that, like I like a.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, I guess the difference is is like I don't.
I don't know if I've ever seen Romero's Donna.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Seen it, because we recently saw it, like last year
at a theater screening in Memphis for an anniversary. There's
like an anniversary of it, And I knew I had
seen it as a child, but I remembered very little
outside of it being in a mall.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
So okay, So I guess to your point, it's not
it's actually remake because it's the same movie, like it
takes place in.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, but I don't remember if the endings are the same.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure there probably was.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
So, like I thought, I'm trying to think of how
to describe it as like same like same plot, but
like same concept but like completely different.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, because that's it seems like that's how I remember
it being marketed, was like, oh, this is technically, you know,
the same universe, but it's a different kind.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Of Snyder Verse was starting early.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well I was wrong on that it was just a remake.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Oh but not like Gus van zandt right by shot.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
But let me ask you this before, mister Soco. But
my question is, did Zack Snyder release his director's cut
of Donna?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I'm not aware that he didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
He didn't have the uh, he didn't have.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
The pull back then, I'm sure that somebody hasn't started
a petition about it.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Release the Snyder release.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Then of the Dead, go back in time? All right, money.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Budget, how much do we think? Uh, this version of Donna.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
The Dead cost forty four million?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm going to say. I'm going to say thirty five.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Million, thirty five Remember Ving Rams is in.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
It too, shit sixty five.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm gonna I'm looking up the the original's budget if
it has it here. I should have done that earlier.
I'm kind of curious how the what I remember, they're
not even close. Okay, yeah, okay, So we got forty
four from Brandon and you said thirty.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Thirty five and said sixty five because the rains. Yeah,
that record you.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Both went way over. I will tell you this, the
original from what year was this nineteen seven, seventy eight
six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Now you take inflation
in mind, what twenty five twenty six years later, and
that six hundred thousand or whatever the blossoms to two

(10:15):
excuse me, twenty six million dollars. Wow, I don't know
where twenty six million dollars is spent in this film.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know Brandon.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
A week I was reading the same thing, but I
read that some sources said that seventy eight one was
like one and a half million because international distribution. But anyway,
it was six hundred and fifty thousand, Like mcash said,
I mean, I don't even know, because you have the mall.
I mean, I guess it's those like the action part.

(10:47):
Maybe maybe some of the effects, like the like I
guess the zombie ones, like the creating that atmosphere, because
I don't really know, no one's really getting.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Like nobody's getting money in this paid you know? Yeah,
which who is that?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Who's the that other guy looked familiar to the main
kind of male.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Leader guy because I was watching him.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think it's what was that Patricia Arcuatt show where
she was like a psychic?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think she.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think he played her Medium Medium, that's it. I
think he was.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
He was in Medium and Joe Black.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Oh, that's it. I think it is one Medium.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, he was in the Cell. We missed them that
movie a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Weber or Jake Weber.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, anyway, he looked familiar. But I guess I when
we and I didn't even Hey, just to keep on theme,
I don't think I ever watched Medium either, So don't
ask me how I knew.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
My mom loved that show, though.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Maybe it is maybe because my parents watched it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
He was in the Pelican brief.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I was in the Pelican brief. So you don't know him.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
You didn't even recognize him, didn't be damn white House Down, Midway.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Hey, I remember him in Midway and white House Down.
He has a familiar Facebook.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
He's still going.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
He looks like someone else.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Coogan is who he?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, but he reminds me, like physically, he reminds me
of some other actor too.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I can't think he was Gosh, I should have
looked it up, and now I can't.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I can't like who he.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
He reminded me of somebody from like the Marvel movies,
Marvel or some sort of superhero movie, and I can't.
I can't recall.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
So twenty six million, yeah, I mean, hey, listen, I.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Thought it was forty four, So then sixty something.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, well that's a mistake. Yeah, the height of his
popularity exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So this movie opened March nineteenth, two thousand and four.
Springtime seels right.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I remember that being weird, though, Like why, I even
back then thinking like why would you release this movie
in the spring time?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Studios love to throw away horror films at the first
quarter of the year.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, And it also kind of depends, because the only
thing I would say is that you're not most of
the time, I would think, And of course, I mean
it all depends, like the studio may have had another
horror film and they're going to release that in October.
You don't want to compete, but at least Ant of
the Dead is a competing against mainly other scary movies. Yeah,
like in Marche I mean, and I mean to be

(13:25):
fair scary movie anyway, but this does.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Not feel like straight up horror, like no Halloween kind
of movie.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
This is like and I'm not comparing the two, but
you know, World war Z came out in the middle
of summer.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, and that's well.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Then also had a real name that attached to it
for sixty five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
How many times I have to say Ving Raims the
on the show.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You can say it all you want. He's no Brad Pitt.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Beauty's in the eye of the Beholder.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, like I said. March nineteen, two thousand and four.
It opened on twenty seven hundred screens and it did
open at number one on the box office.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I remember thinking it did all.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right, So I'm gonna give you the the What was
the remaining of the top five before I ask you
what you think it made? Opening weekend? Number five, Secret Window.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I remember Secret Window, Number.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Four Starsky and hutch oh Man, Number three, Taking Lives.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I don't remember Taking.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Lives Angelina, Oh you know Who's Like.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I know I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I know I saw it, but I don't remember anything
about it.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I don't think I liked it that much.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
And then coming in at number two, and it's a
movie we have not reviewed and decided not to review,
but it's been brought up in every episode this year,
and that's Passion of the Christ.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, Donna the Dead beat out Jesus at the box office.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, but Jesus was going came out, what February, it's
going strong.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
We haven't got to Easter yet.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That was such a run. God, it happened to Mel Gibson.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, he made a shitty Mark Wahlberg movie this year. Hell,
dare you said what I said? I came to see
that movie.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I have no idea what you're asking. But oh, it
was number one. But Passion of the Christ. All right,
So Passion of the Christ was number two, and it
had been out for at least a month.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
So we're talking opening weekend US Canada for Donna the Dead.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Oh, I don't see this, I've I don't think it
made its budget back and opening weekend, I'm going to
say seventeen million seventeen.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I was going to say eighteen seventeen eighteen. Budget was
twenty six million dollars for Donna dead opening weekend US
Canada alone, it made twenty six million, seven hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm shocked. I'm shocked it was made for that much,
and I'm shocked that it made that much in its
first weekend.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I knew it was kind of it was a success,
but I would not have.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I wouldn't think it twenty yeah, in the first weekend.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I will tell you it did a
stark deep dive after opening weekend because domestically it only
made fifty nine million. Yeah, and then worldwide combined it
made a little over one hundred and two million, so
it made four times it's money.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Basically, it's one hundred million dollar movie.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
And it's a remake.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I mean, I don't know how many people. I mean,
most people who saw Romeros are probably dead by the
time this came around. So my math's right, and so
it's a whole new audience. Really, if you think about it.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I was born before the original came out, and I'm
still here.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But wait, did you watch it? Did you watch it
when it came out?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well? I was three, so no, that's when I probably waited.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So I was like eight.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Uh oh, yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
The UK happy to report you are the last five
movie world I mean, excuse me. The UK loved it.
They that brought in nine point eight million, The French did, okay,
three point one million. Our friends in.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Bulgaria here we go that we've missed them a little
over nine thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, okay, but every penny counts.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's not the least it brought in the country with
the lowest score according to box Office Mojo is New Zealand.
What New Zealand brought in twenty five dollars?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Now, wait, that is four tickets back then. I think
it's four.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Four people in New Zealand saw this time.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's a family.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Sounds like, yeah, I don't know who. Maybe he was
was the name Steve Irwin or the crocodile hunter guy?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know what could have been?
Peter Jackson could be he could research. We don't know
that's true. I at least he lives there. I think I.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Would love to know what the rotten tomato scores are
for those two to four people who saw it in
New Zealand. But overall, the tomato eater, the critics, what
do we think the percentage was? For Donna the Dead.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I'm gonna say sixty two.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I swear that was gonna that is exactly. I'll say
sixty three, but I was thinking low sixties for.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
This is that the price is right by any means,
and you're both shot way under seventy seven percent.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm surprised by that. I am quite surprised.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Again, God, generally, does you see why.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Zack Snyder is just as good as Spielberg? I really,
I'm starting to understand this.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
This is why, this is what started it all.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, I'll be damn. And then he does three hundred.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
What parlaid that into a to a rung God?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
So it made more money. It was made for well
twenty six million budget. It's a lot from hard but
making over one hundred something million when it's all said
and done.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Not counting DVD sales inside.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Right, and now you're telling me almost eighty percent fresh.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's a I mean, that's just this is a successful film.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Now I'm wondering now that audience scored Jesus who knows.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And to think like that score is not much less
than what Superman is.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, oh my god, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Superman is supposed to be the greatest film of the year.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
What a dig? What a dig? Yeah? Are you? Are
you a secret Snyder bro?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Superman? Oh, I think he's the worst of the big
of the Big four. I guess that would be of superheroes.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So hope is a real downer for you. Hope, just
hope and just yeah, it's a real downer for you.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You know a country we all live in, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
don't we need it.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm with you, though, Superman's kind of lame. Yeah, I
liked the movie, but character he.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I don't mind Superman. But I'll be honest, I
really don't know that much. And actually, I think I
said in our review. When I watched this new one,
I realized I don't actually know really shit about Superman
and all these other people in it. Like I just
like Batman is probably like that's who I grew number one,
That's who I grew up with. Superman I don't think
was around when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Was Superman in Dawn of the Dead? Did I miss
sing Man?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Hang on, wait a minute, let me think, Let me
think about.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Was that him was passionately christ?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Is that Superman across the street writing on that sign
shooting people. It was yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Uh so yeah, popcorn meter, what the audience.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh, I'm just gonna say that eighty three.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm going to say eighty seven, eighty three and eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
He did the exact, exact opposite. So the tomato meter
seventy seven percent, the popcorn meter also seventy seven percent.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, well, okay, I think the critics and the audience
are the same people.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Maybe, but did they get did they get it right
or wrong?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I think it's too high.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think it's too Yeah, but I do think that
this is a perfectly fine zombie movie.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, yeah, I have no qualms for it. I would
prefer the original over this.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I wish I would have seen the original. I actually
watching it this time around. I didn't even know as
a zombie movie. I was just trying to think about
the good old days at the mall. Yeah, fair, good
old days at the mall. There's no mall like that anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
When I say that the score is too high, I
mean I'm nitpicking here, because it's like a seventy four
to seventy five percent for me, So I would say
it's not like I think it's a sixty or something, it.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Needs to be in the sixties. Five. I would put
it in the sixties, I think. So I looked it
up because I wasn't sure. But twenty eight days later
came out before this, yes ooh, which we discussed here,
and twenty eight days later was a totally different take
on what we would consider a zombie movie.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
So the fact that this comes out after that makes
this one look very like standard and stale to us, agree,
because it's not. It's not a scare movie. It is
an action movie. It's an average action movie with just
zombies in it, and the what the zombies are doing? Yeah,

(22:11):
I think I rather just go and watch Romero stuff
because it's not it's I mean, it's not even that
stylized up to what at this point of what it is,
you know, and then to me, and granted it hadn't
been done yet, but then you kind of see what
an action zombie movie could be because then World War
Z will come out. So it's almost just falls in

(22:33):
this kind of area of like, hey, yeah, you know
what that was? That was? That was good, but then
you what what even came before it much less what
came after. It makes it actually look worse and worse
as we go through. Now, I will give it credit
for one thing, and I remembered it and seeing it again,

(22:55):
the way that the movie opens, I really, I really like.
And that's it it. That's when it peaked.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
The opening gives me opening of walking Dead vibes.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yes, watched.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh that's that's a shame. Especially that pilot episode was
really good.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Pilot episode.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I feel like I have because I've seen so much
shit about it, but I actually never sat and watched it.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
But you bring it up twenty eight days later as
a comparison is a great point because do you think
that that success of twenty eight days Later carried over
to Donna the Dead having some early success, especially at
the US box office, because another zombie film.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I really look, it.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Could be it could be. I don't know if there
was anything else in between that like, yeah, I mean
I don't know, if there I don't know, nothing I
can think of.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But I I mean I don't know, because then and
if so, yes, but then it's like I'm sorry, but no,
now we're gonna you know, here's that, here's then attempt Yeah,
you know, and it's a remake of a better what
I'm gonna go ahead and assume is a better movie anyway,
that was already done in the seventies. So I don't know.

(24:10):
I mean, sure, I mean I would think so. But
then it's almost like, man, it's almost backfires because look
what twenty eight Days Later had to say and did
with the zombies with far less money. And then look
and listen, I'm sorry, and the Snyder verse is gonna
hate me. But that's the difference when you put somebody
like Zack Snyder in charge and you put someone like

(24:32):
Danny Boyle in there, that's what you get. Fair enough
rep what you saw with those with those fellows.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And you actually have a sentiment that's very similar to
one of the letterbox reviews I have here. So let's
just get right into it. Excuse me, John simply John
two and a half stars says, maybe I should just
come to terms with the fact that Zack Snyder's movies
aren't made for me.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
There you go, Yeah, two and a half maybe three,
that's I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I don't remember what I gave it on that letter
but I think I did two and a half.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, I think it's only because it's it's entertaining enough,
but we know that there's there was better stuff before
it and better stuff after.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
So yeah, I gave it a three.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, of course mind doesn't want to load now. But
that's okay. Uh woo rhymes with wow. That's his that's
his name. He says that three and a half stars
in case of a zombie apocalypse, make sure saw Sarah
Polly is at your side at all time.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Hell yeah, I can get behind that, not the not
the rating, but I agree also and credit to that
because Sarah Poly's character is actually a strong female.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Lead and a true final girl.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, and so that, like I I did like elements
of it, and there's still some cool action sequences in there.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
But again it it didn't even need to be a
zombie movie like you literally could have. It could have
been a bag which is what he did too. Yeah
with I think zombies in that one, wasn't it the
one in Vegas? Yeah, with Batista.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, that's getting a sequel for some reason.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, and it got a spin off, The Vault Guy. Okay, one,
how does Zack Snyder find is it? Because Netflix just
those money at things.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Maybe he knows who's on the Epstein list.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's true, that is true.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'm assuming in October this still hasn't been released.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Right right, No, that's fair, that's fair. I'm sure some
other people have accidentally died.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Matt the Snapper, great name. Oh I like it. Four stars.
Oh lost me, you lost me, You had me, you
lost me. He says, we all know Scooby Doo too,
Monsters Unleash is still the best James Gunn screenplay of
two thousand and four. Oh, fair enough, hot take.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say his I would say
he probably would rather forget about two thousand and four
just in general.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, both movies made money, but.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah they did. I mean, listen, it got them, got
them a gig directing eventually.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah. Charlie Villa, I'm not sure if it's so.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
If he gave If that was his comment and he
gave that four out of five, I'm assuming Scooby Doo
two is five out of five for.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Him, a masterpiece of cinema.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, all right, just checking.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, Charlie Villa, another four stars.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I can't believe what a jerk Phil Dumphy was before
he met Claire.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. Hello, it was kind of jarring.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It was to hear some of those stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
The worst, Yeah, disgusting human being, disgusting him.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, and I'm like, that's not that's not the man.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I felt. I was super excited when he got taken
out of the movie.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, that was.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
It was a bit of a distracting performance, I would say, too, But.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Again I feel like it's the cliched, like had to
you know, has to be some asshole and then does
a treat whip you.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Know, yeah, put him and uh, what's his name's character
from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Jim Carrey, no Elijah, Oh.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, oh, put the two of them together in.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
God. Yeah, but they would make a killer hill tag team.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
They would.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, where creepy brothers.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
The creepy creepy's putting it nicely.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah. And then lastly Jack Luddy more like at One Star, Okay,
more like Yana the Dead. Oh that's a here, folks.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Zinger if I ever heard one.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh, got some got some little notes and fun facts
as we continue talking about Donna the Dead here, Uh,
this is kind of where I know Zack Snyder does
this today but this film was shot in chronological order.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know if he does that or not.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
So it was shot like as the story and the
story unfolds, which financial twenty six million dollars went right there.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, but I bet most of that could be done
because it is just that single location.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
But at the end, well that's.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
True, and the beginning well, and the opening. But I'm
thinking it almost makes more sense. And I'm wondering if,
like in a movie like this, like as it's happening
and stuff is getting messed up or destroyed, does it
cost more to try and put some of that back together,
to come back and do something that you didn't like,
you know, when they first got to the mall or whatever.

(29:27):
I don't know, but you know, at a lot of
his stuff, I don't even know if he Some would
say he doesn't really even shoot a movie. Well, it's
just images and things are there.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, like I said, the chronological order, the first scene
in the movie is the first they shot. And this
was on Snyder's first features. As we talked about and
he assumed you just started on page one, and he says,
and they were they were like no, no, no, Normally
you shoot the last death scene.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
First, Oh, I never, I did not know you shot? Now,
See that doesn't makes sense to do like to to
do that and then try to work back, Yeah, try
to work back or like I know, like and jump around.
But then oh, and especially like I said, especially in
that location where there's shit everywhere and things are happening

(30:15):
outside of it.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I do wonder what the philosophy is for that.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I wonder how it saves money.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I guess did they kill Hillary Swank first and then
work That's that's a good point question. Maybe it's it's
from an emotional standpoint to get something out of a scene.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, it's almost like maybe you're you're fresher, like maybe
the rigors of a of a shoot over thirty days
or whatever haven't caught up to you by the end.
You want the most impactful scene to be when everybody's
on their A game. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
But then I feel like there's so many nerves, like
you want to work, you know, you kind of.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Want to get into rhythm.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yes, especially if they don't know the character and you
know how well developed and written these characters are in
this movie.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Especially with James gunn at the hell.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I'm going to google it while while we Yeah, I'm
gonna do some live producing over here.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Don't tell me that ving Rains wasn't Snyder's first choice,
because I know he was.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Sadly, there's very no casting, very little casting.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Now that's that that uh, that sounds that sounds right,
but you know what, it's not a bad cast. And
the fact that most of them have gone on. Sarah Pouly,
I guess is the most well critically, and then Phil
Dumphy I.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Would say ving Rams is probably the most the most
of a household name.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Well yeah, well household name because he's been in blockbusters
but successful as far.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
As like awards and ship that.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
But also like the career is on the up, like
I mean, Phil Dumphy and that's just going to be
his name from here on out. He's gonna make millions
just off r so, yes, and then so he can
do whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
But because of one one character show.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But it's crazy about Sarah Paul just because like she's
a writer director now, like she's not even really I mean,
she doesn't really do that. But yeah, and I'm just like,
but I mean Vin rains probably is the most noticeable,
but I don't know I would put that up against
I mean, Modern Family was a huge success, not that
people would wat No, my god, there are so many

(32:16):
shows nobody has watched. I did.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I loved Modern Things I did.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I didn't finish it, but I did watch a lot
of seasons.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
What's her name's voice, Sophia, Yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Can't I love I loved each Other.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I didn't watch because Frank Dresher.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Just, Oh, that's a whole other level of.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Nails on talkboard.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's a whole other level, buddy.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. So, by the end of the production, three thousand
zombie makeup effects had been created for this film.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Okay, that's twenty million for real.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Uh, and most of the zombie makeup was modeled after
real and gruesome forensic photos that the makeup team and
special effects team used as inspiration.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, I don't care any part to that.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, the fact that some of those people really look
like that. Yeah, I should watch it again.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, for the realism. How much you think the zombie
extras were paid by the hour?

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Dollar?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, I don't. I don't even think it was with money.
It was like in goat feed.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
They got eight to fifteen hour dang, oh shit, four
did you say goat feed?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, and I hasn't maken that in two thousand and four.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I wasn't either.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Actually that was they.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Probably only worked two hours though.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I mean, well, the makeup probably took two hours by itself.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
That's true. Good point, especially the.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Ones up close. Yeah, Zack Snyder said the reason his
zombies run at full speed is because he wanted to
avoid the inherent comic impression given by slow shuffling undead.
The same technique was used to show the infected in
twenty eight Days Later, which was a direct inspiration for
this film.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Oh well looking.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, so Zack Snyder was watching twenty eight years Later too.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
And that that's what he got out of it.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I was stealing left and right? Yeah, is that as
Zack Snyder?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, I don't know. Would you say, did he come
up with Batman versus Superman? Or has that already been done?
Was that written?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I don't think that was written into.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Three hundred three hundred. I actually really enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I liked sucker punch.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I never saw a sucker punch.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
It was fine. And now he's so like whatever effects
he was using for a while, like after three hundred.
I know, I get ship all the time about this,
but I do not like Watchmen.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I like and the show, the show or the movie.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Okay, I've heard the show is great. I never watched it,
but I watched guess what. Guess what, guys, I haven't
seen that show.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
The show is. The show's weird. The show. The show
gets a little old. It's very it's very different from
the movie. Regina King, yes, I like that, she is
great in it, but.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know why I don't want to go back and
watch it because they canceled after one season. I'm like, well,
what am I? What am I doing? I mean, it's
still does it sit like a limited series?

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah? Oh okay, I want to say it's only like
six or eight episodes.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Okay, yeah, I do. I don't think it's that many.
But the movie, I just couldn't get it, Like the
cast is great and stuff. I just I could not
get into it, maybe because some of us too weird,
and then all of it just seems like it's so
cgi but wasn't like fun or entertaining like three hundred was.
And yeah, I just thought it was so boring.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I think three hundred is the only movie of his
that I really love. Yeah, Watchman is one that I like,
and then Dawn of the Dead and Army of the
Dead are like those are fun for what.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
The Army of the Dead that's yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
And everything else like I never watched Rebel Moon, probably
never will as DC stuff I wasn't a fan of.
Never saw Sucker Punch.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I will say Man of Steel. I miss that Superman
now I know, but that one I actually enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And then he did the legend Legend of the Guardians,
the Owls of Ghoul.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's right, he sure did.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I never saw so did know it existed until I
did research for this.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We talked about Sarah Polly being a kick ass final Girl.
There's an actual other final girl on the set throughout
the filming of this, and it's one of the ultimate
final girls. And that's Heather legging Camp. She who played
Nancy and Nightmare on ELM Street, was a member of
the production crew for this film. Wow producer.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
She was a producer Onner Good for her.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
When ving Raims your Man heard of a remake of
Donna the Dead was in production he tracked down producers
to be in the film. Yeah, so they had no choice.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
But when he comes knocking, Yeah, he says, hey, I'm
going to do this.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
They say okay, that's when mister Wallace comes down.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
That's right, Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. Though. I guess
he was just a fan wanted to be a part
of it and got his wish. Good for ving rings.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
But then I think, how does that work? If you
want to be a part of it so bad? Do
you just take the money that they give you? Because
I don't know how you negotiate if you're the one
that wants to be.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I think a lot of actors have done that when
it comes to not necessarily the film itself, but wanting
to work with a certain director.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
They just have a pay cut.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, they're just happy to be there whatever they get.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, yeah, but with a first time person like I
would do that for Tarantino or Scarsese. But like, hey,
Zack Snyder, well pay me a fifteen hour buddy, Yeah
you got a deal. Well I would I would have
been a part of just like yeah, I'm assuming he's
a fan of Romero.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
That's what I say. I would imagine Romero was on
set throughout the film.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
As we check your notes again, did he think Romero
was directing this one?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
It's very possible.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Maybe he was shocked when a white man, another white
man showed up.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, woy, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's this young.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Who's this guy? I'm calling my buddy Tom Cruise. We'll
get this ship situated right now. I think they're friends
in real life.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I would I mean, did what seventeen movies together?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I would imagine, yeah, I would think so, scientology mate
might nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
That's true too. We we talked about out whether we're
talking about twenty eight days later in this movie and
trying to think of other horror films, I mean zombie
films from this area era. There was one House of
the Dead. They saw the video game, which was complete, fucking,
utter garbage. If you've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
It, I have seen it. Where who's in Donna the
Dead is better than House of the Dead. In case
anybody wants.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
To why do I remember that movie?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
It was an awesome video game. I never but Universal
significantly slashed the film's budget for Donna the Dead after
the failure of House of the Dead, fearing there was
no public appetite for zombie movies. So if this was
at twenty six million when it was all said and done,
what the fuck was the.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Forty four million? That's why I was telling you.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
So they cut eighteen million, like like what we have
gotten for eighteen more million dollars?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean Vin Raims? Did he live?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Oh man?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, I don't fucking remember.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I don't remember either.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I remember them all on the boat sailing away with
the video camera through the end credits.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yes, yeah, actually almost though they gave us a lot
of them made it. He did make it to get to.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Another island, and then that's where they all meet their demise. Yeah, spoiler,
Like the movie's twenty one years old. If you haven't
seen it, that's on you.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, he is. He is on that boat.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I vaguely remember this happening, and I.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Think what's his name shot himself whatever after he sacrificed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I remember.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I vaguely remember this happening, and I don't remember if
it happened like something tells me it happened after Monday
Night Raw or before Monday Night Raw. This was the
first movie to broadcast the first ten minutes uncut on
Network TV. Yes, five days before it's national release. The
showing was broadcast on the USA Network.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
So I do remember that, but I didn't realize it
was before is in theaters. I thought it was something
that like they was gonna come on USA Network. So
they showed you the uncut one because you know, back
then you couldn't get away with a whole.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Lot, no, because the first and mints would have been
the little girl.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, but I think it stops right before it gets.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Like I think too much, Yeah, before you see her
in the hallway, but.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You don't see yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I vaguely remember that happening, and it had to have
been somewhere around a Monday night Raw.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah. Well there's a lot of sick people who watch RAW,
so I get why they would show that.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I mean, that's the that's the the perfect you know,
demographic for a film.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Like and then what is that?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
What was that sexy stalking?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, silk stocking.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Then that came on afterwards specific Blue yep. And if
you already hadn't spooged during Raw, you're gonna get her
in silk stockings.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, ain't that?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Stacey Keebler's on the announced desk.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Do y'all remember some of the things Don Marie and
l Wilson were doing. I mean, come on, oh Tom, Yeah, Jackie, yeah, Jackie,
don't mess with Jackie. I have an important note before
we move on. I do remember the video game House
of the Dead. Now, I looked it up and I

(41:15):
just realized that Clint Howard was in the movie House
of the Dead.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Another famous famous actor. Yes, yes, that's underappreciated.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
If you need a creepy little character actor, that's the
guy to go. Guy.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
What if he teamed up with Elijah Wood, Oh Lord
and Tiberrell. But they're characters. But Clint Howard is just
Clint Howard. I don't want anybody to be confused. Clint
Howard is himself.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
From a movie, and Clint Howard is Clint Howard.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
We'll support that.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, that's a whole new kind of bloodline, folks.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I would acknowledge that blood line.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
And Clint Howard's leader. I want to be Let's also
make that chief. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
The one true Clint.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
The title designer for the film, Kyle Cooper, used actual
human blood when designing the film's opening and closing credit sequences.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
How do you how does that? Yeah, that seems I'm
starting to think of it. I see where this money went,
and it's not really where it should have gone. Who
okay that I don't know, Zack Snyder, what would you do?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Just go to a hospital. I'd like to buy a
pint of blood.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
He cut his arm open to each extra.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, that's right, just need a little pint today.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Guys, come on, you're getting paid eight fifty golly like this.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
This blood could save someone's life, But no, we want
to use it for a movie.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah. They had to have like hepatitis doctors and ship
on set.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, probably a COVID back then, that's where he came.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, no one even knew COVIDH four.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Thanks a lot, Zack Snyder.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, can we deport him?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
What a villain?

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Alligator Alcatraz. Keep in mind this October. I have no
idea how this way age Oh will still be up.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hey, it's not too it's we're not as bad as
we are. Sometimes this is only a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Sarah Poll, a veteran of largely independent films, was surprised
at how physical her her role turned out to be.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
She said she had never run so much in any
of her previous films by any means, which I don't
think I can recall of the films I've seen of her,
she's ever.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
What would have her running like that for that long?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean like it is a it is a pretty
physical role when you think about it, like a very
visceral type of movie.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Where physicality plays a probably the main that's probably the
main job.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I think so, Like you got to be in
good shape for this, But I.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Guess did he leave that out? Did James Gunn leave
all that shit out in the script when she.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Read it the right?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, I'm just curious, possibly, say, wait a minute, James,
you didn't say I'd be running and running and running
and him back there with a spiked up black hair
just giggling.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, like, uh, I've seen go obviously, Yeah, and I've
seen Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I don't know how much I've seen of hers. Really,
she's familiar face, but.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I just the Adventures of Baron Manchausen. That movie was horrible.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, I don't remember that. Uh, was I alive?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Possibly? Okay, I thought I was gonna recognize Jorthon.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Price was in that and Uma Thurman.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Oh okay, now now you got me.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, I've seen go.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't recognize like any of her movies.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
What did she win for?

Speaker 3 (44:56):
She won for Women Talking? Okay, but she directed.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I have not come across that yet.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Oh it's like the last thing she did, like two
years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
She was in the horror movie Splice. I remember that movie.
I've seen.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Oh shit, I do remember that with Haro and Adrian Brody.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
What was the name that she won for?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
You keep going? It's called Women Talking. She's not in it,
what I was not directed it? She directed and wrote
it and she won an oscar for No. No, she's
not in it. No it, but it has a lot
of good Jesse Buckley uh is in it, Rooney Marra
is in it. There's a lot of there's a lot
of good people in it.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Francis mcdormanda, who's the who's the other young who's the
top name on that? Rooney Mara Mara, Yeah, Clairefoy.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
That Claire Clairefoy is who I forgot?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I guess with Francis McDormand.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah, yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's uh, too many women in a movie for.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Me, it's called women talking, so you guess what they do.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
But did they run?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
No, they do not. I see why she's she ain't
doing that to them. Was surprised you would think a
movie called go she probably would. Yeah, but this is
a zombie movie. You got you've got to run. You
can't drive that much in these movies.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
So imagine this, uh scene, you're you're near the mall.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Okay, which mall in the movie? Okay?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, and while of the films being shot, yep, it.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Did remind me of Hickory Hollow Fair.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
But across the street from the mall is a church
holding a funeral service while production is going on. Nice
and they're filming the scene where they throw a wrapped
body off the mall's roof. Hell yeah, okay, hell yeah, Right,
your loved one is about to go six feet under
and you look over.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
And of all the movies to be to be shooting
across the street.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
That I dare say that would be a memory that
would stay with me.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, rest like damn, remember when we buried when we
when we buried Virgil, God, you remember that huge body
that fell off the roof. Damn, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I wonder if we could have got a two for one.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, ship, I hope they do that to Virgil. Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
So we've talked about James Gunn. The script obviously is
credited to him, James Gunn. One of my favorite films
that he wrote, Slither, Yeah. Yeah. But producer Eric Newman
says that Skank Scott Frank Scott Frank, who wrote Get Shorty, Yes,

(47:32):
and Michael Tolkien, who wrote The Player, my favorite Robert
Altman film, also did work on the script as well,
really credited.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Wait a minute, why aren't they credited?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, let's let's pull up.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
So let me get this straight. You've got from the Player?
And what was the other one? Get Shorty and Get
Shorty and Scooby Doo two and the guy and the
guy Scooby Doo two got. I just wonder if they
reworked it, because you know, you get like, did they
put a line here in there?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yea?

Speaker 3 (48:01):
And the fact that they didn't even want any credit,
which they probably were like, one, that's okay, you can
get yeah, you could.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Keep you can keep me off of do this, James
gun guy face.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I mean they got paid for it.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I imagine, I hope like scale or Uh, David
Cronenberg's who's made some weird ass film. His sister Denise
was the costume designer for this.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And the last note I have is a could would
should have? Okay, and uh, it's about the role Michael too.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
U was that McKay?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
No, it's who the fuck was Michael? Why can't I
find this character? Now?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
It's not on the Yeah, if you google it, it's
not there. Andre Andre?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Who's Andre?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
The mackay favor character? Well, there was supposedly a character
named Michael in my notes, and I've obviously wrote down
the wrong name anyway, but let's just say it was
Tiberrell's character. Okay, I'm just gonna say that's probably what
it was. Another actor auditioned for that role. It is
the one Nathan Fillion.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Him and James Gun they are attached to the hip.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
They're bros.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I could see him kind of doing a role like
that if it is Tyberrell, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
That's what I would imagine it would be.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
But who was my Is Michael the guy that he's
not at the beginning?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Michael was Jake Jake Weber the main guy?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Oh, that was Michael. You worked with him in the
Pelican Brief. Damn that you really don't remember him?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I don't, am I looking so Tibarrell was Steve Steve
I was looking at the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Eight tyber and Jake Weber also auditioned for each other's parts.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Oh really, I can't see I can't see Tyberrell doing
that one.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
They they auditioned for the other role and then got
the wow they were cast.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Nathan Fillion wanted to I can see him being the
main y. Yeah, god, yeah, for sure, that makes sense.
I can see him being tiber Rows true character.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I can see him being all the characters Van Raims.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
There's only one Ving Rings.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
There's only one Ving Rings, and he wanted to be
in it. And good for him. He got his dream,
he got YEP, and he got a number one movie
out of it.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
He did. Good for him because God knows he'd never
had one of those before.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Nope, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Uh so, I don't have any other notes for donnaa
dead Okay, so I didn't know if we had any where.
This film stands in like the uh, the lore of
zombie films.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I won't I've already forgotten about it for the most part.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I think that is ultimately the original nineteen seventy eight
is going to be the one that people think of. Ye,
this was a successful commercial film. It was a good,
decent action film with horror elements in it, and I

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think it was a fun watch. And to Brandon's point,
once it was over said huh, and then I moved
on with my life. And I think that's ultimately this
film's place in history. Good for them. I'm happy everybody involved.
It was a success for but it is it is
quite forgettable in a sea of two thousands era movies

(51:36):
that were more action than horror in the genre.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I would say, now next year we get a chance
to do it again with another George A. Romero film. Okay,
Land of the Dead.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I don't remember that one.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
It stars Dennis Hopper and John Lake Guizamo.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Okay, I'm in I do remember seeing.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I loved it. I saw in theaters. It was written
and directed by Georgia.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I don't think I saw that one.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
That was that his last one.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
It wasn't his.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Last one, but he did. He has been dead for
twenty years.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Yeah, but I mean he didn't really work.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Okay, uh yeah, I'm with you there. It just it's
I'm not against rewatching it. If it's on TV, I'm
not gonna go out of my way to find it.
But like Spooky Season, it pops up. Sure, it's a
fun watch, popcorn film just to see Ty Burrell get killed.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
The thing is, there's just a better way, better options.
And when we're talking about like around this time of
the year. Yeah, I mean again, it's not even like
it's just an action movie.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah. Well, some good I guess came out of it.
We got James Gunn and Zack Snyder's careers out of it.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Well, I was gonna say, I feel like this is
going to be mostly remembered on like the early works
of two people that have made a name for themselves
in the comic book Ye Universe.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
So I say we get to the Mount rushmore questions
so we can get out of here.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, this one's tough.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I don't think it's tough at all.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Well, maybe because there's not that many options.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
There's countless options.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Well, I know where, I think I know where you're
gonna go.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Your favorite retail based films. That doesn't mean it's stuck
in them all, but it mainly takes place in some
sort of shopping.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I the first one. I'm embarrassed to admit this. The
first one that came to mind was Employee of the Month,
and I I am afraid to go back and watch it.
I haven't watched it since it first came out, but
I remember really loving it.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
It's hard to watch Dane Cook, Yeah, but it's fun
to watch Dak Sheppard.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Dane Cook was so good at one point when we
were young. His stand up was good, and then he.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Did could do that with my hants, and.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Then I remember liking him in this movie. But I
don't know, it's a lot of his his style. I
don't think his aged very well, and maybe it's just
my own maturation as a grown adult.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
But I also never bought Jessica Simpson as a sex symbol.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, fair enough. That was the first movie that came
to mind. Oh and then I don't I don't really know.
I I thought about High Fidelity because of the record
store and and us just talking about Paul Blart mall.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Cop Oh yeah, yeah, the first one I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, do we count? I thought about Eight Crazy
Nights because of the food court scene in the mall.
I thought about, I.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Guess even if it's just kind of in it or
takes place at around it.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I mean, well, then I thought I thought about, like, well,
Bad Santa's I just started thinking about all the Christmas movies.
What I thought of Ye, I don't know, it's it
was hard for me because I never saw the clerks
and the maul rats and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah, I mean for me, I did think of Bad Santa.
I thought of Empire Records, an old nineties movie, and
I just saw one. I'm pretty sure it doesn't it's
not a mall but one hour photo because it's in
wherever he works.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
It's like a Robin Williams.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, so I would say Bad Santa one Hour Photo.
I'll say Empire Records because I remember watching that when
I was younger and thought that looks cool. I mean,
just like the whole setting thing everything else. And then
I think, like I was kind of thinking of video
stores as well, and but I can't remember is be

(55:47):
kind rewind within that video like that what they make.
Let's go with those, Jack Black, let's go with those
four three? Did you finish yours?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, that's all. I okay, three of.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Mine have been minched and kind of glossed over it
in a way. But me being of a certain age,
these movies resonate more with me. High Fideli, Shocker, Shocker,
John Cusack, Jack Black. Oh yeah yeah, Empire Records. I've
loved that movie so much. Yeah, Mall Rats without a
doubt is my favorite Kevin Smith film. And then a

(56:20):
film I don't know if you guys have seen her,
maybe even heard of, Career Opportunities that mainly takes place
in a Target starring Jennifer Connolly and Frank Wally from
the from the late eighties. It's a fun if you're
a fan of early Jennifer Connolly, I highly recommend watching it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I'm a fan of any Jennifer conn Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Highly recommend watching it. I mean, she's not naked by
any means, but you don't need her to be.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I was talking about her talent.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
The talent is there jesus.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Uh Yeah, Well that was an interesting question because I
really had to I had to set some stuff up,
and they think like a couple came to mind, and
then there's some where like I just haven't seen in
a while, so I'm like, is it does it? Like?
Am I just thinking of a scene or is there
actual like takes place in it.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
There's a fun eighties horror film called Chopping.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Mall Yeah, shout, I will tell you I and Jesse video.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I did not think of Paul Blart Mall Coop, but
that one was a good one. And I thought of
the other one that.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Observed Observe Yeah with Seth Rogan.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about the Observing report, but
I thought about that one in Bad Santa.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Forgot about clerks, but clerks would have been a great
answer as well.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I saw Clerks, and I did kind of think about that.
But I I appreciate it more for what Kevin Smith
was able to do with it than like if I
really enjoyed it, even though I think I've seen all
three of them. Oh yeah, but that was a good question.
I didn't see that one.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
We've done zombie movies before.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I know, Yeah, you're right, how do you separate it?
There's one for another show that I'm like, I don't
think anybody has ever asked this question before. You want
to share it just in general, like what like in
a conversation, you say, hey, you know what name your.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Well, I'll keep them coming. I'll try, uh, got anything
else before we get out of here? Boys and girls?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
That's it for me.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
That's it. I'm glad this is over with. I don't
want to watch it again.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Well, Brandon, why don't you start us off by telling
how these fine folks can find you.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
On Twitter at sir Brandon v Sir Brandon on letterbox
and of course every everything on Nashville Movie Dispatch dot
substack dot.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Com and I'm at Stony Keeley at Sobros Network and
according to Google AI. While it's not a universal rule,
shooting the final death scene first in a movie is
a practical choice is often driven by scheduling and logistics,
not narrative structure. This approach can help manage actor availability,

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especially if the actor's appearance changes throughout the film or
if the scene is particularly complex. Some directors have also
said that shooting the final death scene first can help
establish the emotional heft of a movie because the actors
are more in tune with where this thing is going.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Well, and you know what. To that point, it makes
sense because you also have to worry about, like how
can you like location? When can you get it? How
long can you shoot?

Speaker 4 (59:36):
So?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yep, you've got you know, if you got to do
that on a Monday, then.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
That's the most important.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
That's a Monday. Yeah, and then you can watch Roll
that night in silk Stockings.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
There you go be home by then in the first
ten minutes of Donna the Dead, yeah, uncut, if you
go back twenty one years, Well, cheers to another episode
of Drinking with where we've explored the films that have
come of age, just like a fine wine. As we
raise our glasses to move, he's turning twenty one, we've laughed,
reminisced we definitely did not shed a tear or two
for this one, but nonetheless, So until next time, maybe

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two thousand and five. That's the movies we'll be doing
next year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
I mean, two thousand and six is coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, we might not be here to do two thousand
and six movies the way the rate of the world
is going, stay of the world is going. Anyway, I've
got some movies to return, so we'll see you next time.