High Early Season Ratings & Wemby/Sabonis/Giannis Injuries

On this episode of The Drive & Dish NBA podcast, hosted by Kevin Rafuse (@rafusetolose) and Justin Cousart (@JustinContheAir), the guys start the show by discussing a successful first month for the NBA as they've seen the highest ratings in 15 years. A look at how social media, new stars and NBC have played a role in the boost. Next, a pair of injuries out West as Wemby goes down for 1-2 weeks and Sabonis goes down for 3-4 weeks. How the Spurs and Kings will try and staty afloat and why it's time for the Kings to blow it up already. In Who's Ballin Who's Fallin, LeBron's All-NBA streak is in jeopardy, Cooper Flagg is starting to heat up, LaMelo is apparently happy in Charlotte and Giannis will miss some time for the Bucks. Finally, another round of Immaculate Grid. Listen to the show wherever you get your podcasts and watch the show on YouTube!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Drive and Dish podcast. There's the Drive
and Click. Welcome to your moment.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
To start it off, it's and justin let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We're at that part of the season where we do
start having some bigger name injuries come through. Obviously a bummer,
but that's kind of at least for our is this
fourteen or fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is season so it's weird it's always one off.
This is season thirteen, but can technically have been doing
this for like fourteen seasons because the first half, like
our first season was half a season because we only
covered it was that we covered the end from basically
post All Star of the twenty I guess it was. Yeah,

(00:49):
it was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen season. It's when the
Spurs won. It's when the Spurs beat the Heat in
the back to back finals, like that was the first
one we covered, and then obviously full seasons and offseason
every season since.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, and so you know, to that, you kind of
start to recognize trends that happen each and every year.
And usually by the time we're doing the third or
fourth episode, you know about that getting closer to the
twenty game mark, which we're about there, and you know,
five games ish off from that with the teams, we
started getting some of the injury news, the players sitting

(01:24):
out or having to manage a tweak or MRI getting
done or something like that, and that's where we are.
So we'll talk about some of the bigger ones that
are coming out or happened in the past week or so.
But to warm up, we wanted to talk about something
that is that is, at least to me surprising, because
I feel like the vibes with the NBA in the

(01:47):
fourteen years that we have done it have never been lower.
And we could talk about that too, But the NBA
announced that through the first month of this season, the
broadcasts across Peacock, NBC Prime, ESPN have drawn over sixty
million viewers, which is the highest opening month in fifteen years.
I will say, just off the fact that I was

(02:10):
looking for something and happened to go onto Peacock and
see a NBA game on there and go cool, I'll
watch that, that may be part of it, because in
that case, I'm kind of a casual viewer from that
standpoint of just I happen to stumble upon it, So
it might be a just it's in more places that

(02:31):
people are kind of going to at this point over
you know, streaming over cable conversation almost in a way.
But to that League Pass subscription are up ten percent,
a viewing time is up eight percent. That it's that
kind of tells me that's more people that aren't just
going to it, they're watching more, which is great. Merchandise
sales are also up twenty percent, And to this stat

(02:54):
that twenty percent being up is actually driven by what
they're considering next gen stars like Wemby. So you could
also draw the conclusion that because we're going through this
potential changing of the guard and you know, from like
a Lebron to a Luca type thing, there may be
more intrigue now because we're looking for that next big

(03:17):
star per se.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, a few things to kind of address all of
what you said. I kind of want to, you know,
start in order there a little bit, because I'm sort
of with you on the vibes thing. Like I think
last season especially, it felt like the vibe around the
league as a whole was very gloomy. It was talking
about a lot of you know, just it felt like

(03:41):
it was all narrative driven it felt like the x's
and o's weren't as important anymore. It felt like the
coverage on a national level had kind of gotten stale,
and it felt like a lot of the necessarily like
younger stars, the next gen that you talked about a
little bit kind of maybe hadn't settled into that role,
Like we were just still kind of relying on Lebron,
on Kevin Durant, on Steph Curry, who still are very

(04:04):
much a part of the league. Obviously we're not suggesting
they go out anywhere, but no, I mean it does.
It's good to see these numbers translate obviously, like what
a successful first month, and more importantly too, the inns
teeth or the in person excuse me, is matching? Like
ten teams have completely sold out every game. Atlanta and Charlotte,
for example, the NBA you know put out in their

(04:25):
release are up ten percent over last year, you know,
second best in league history right now, ninety seven percent
capacity league wide to this point, like you can't really
take it.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Who are the teams?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Charlotte and Charlotte and Atlanta were the ones up over
ten percent. There were ten teams that have sold out
every home game, so far this season, those respectively are Boston, Cleveland,
Golden State, Houston, Miami, New York, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, San Antonio,
and Utah.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So like not, you know a.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Lot of those teams you would expect good teams City. Yeah,
I mean, look at right, but the loyalty of that
fan base is paying off. And I mean look, Utah
has had a more positive start to the season that
I think they've expected so far. No, I mean I
think that it being on NBC and NBC it's two part.
Also having done a really good job on their coverage

(05:17):
so far has made it help. Like there is something
about just a game being accessible on a basic cable
channel that everybody has. Not to say that TNT is
not accessible, but there is a little more with TNC.
You know, ESPN people know how to find it at
this point, but like maybe somebody just doesn't flip the
TNC on a random night. But like or for example,
when you're out and about, you know, when you're at

(05:38):
the gym, when you're at a random coffee shop or whatever.
It may be like that NBC is going to be
what they have on potentially if they have an NBA
game there too. So like I definitely think that's a
huge part of it.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I can't tell you the amount of times that I'm like, oh,
let me go check out to see what show on Peacock.
Have I been watching Revival? I think it's called There's
a new show. It's it's kind of like a horror
thriller kind of show. And I'm like, oh, let me go.
You know, Nicole's passed out, I'm in bed. I'm like,
all right, let me just see if i can get
an episode in. But I'm kind of tired. I pop
on Peacock and I see that Calves whoever is the

(06:15):
game of the night that they're showing, and I'm like,
you know what, I'll just put this on instead, Like
I'm tired, I'm not gonna be able to make it
through a whole episode. I'll just watch this game a
little bit, and obviously it will help with the podcast.
But again, it's just more of like, oh, oh, I
didn't realize this game was on there. Like I've watched
more random games than I have in years past. Usually
when I'm putting on a game, it's like, well, who

(06:36):
are the Sixers playing or whatnot? You know, like that's
more of what I'll do. But now, because I go
on Prime because I'm gonna go watch the Boys, and
it's like, no, here's here's a Pistons Raptors game. I'm like, well,
Pistons are the best team in the NBA right now,
might as well check them out, Like see what's up?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, And I mean speaking to that, you know, going
back to that real life thing, Like that's a prime
example with me the other night where it was like, Yo,
the Sixers are off. It's a Tuesday night. You know,
with my work schedule now, I try to between Tuesday,
you know, Tuesday through Thursday. I'm in office currently, and
so one of those nights I try to go work out.
And so the Sixers were off that night, so I
wasn't gonna watch them, but NBC had Atlanta and Orlando on,

(07:12):
and yeah, when I was on the treadmill for my
cardio portion of the workout, I just was like, yes, sick,
I'm gonna plug my headphones into the TV. I'm gonna
link up and I'm gonna watch Atlanta Orlando. And I
got way more and Atlanta. Like we're not going to
talk about Atlanta a ton on this podcast, but you
want to talk about trends and something that people should
be watching. You know, Trey Young's been missing some time,
and like Atlanta's look pretty good. Honestly, they looked maybe

(07:33):
better with Trey Young off the floor, which is an
interesting development obviously, Like that's in a position where you
want to talk about somebody where we're trying to figure
out their value, like what's next, what you know, what
their impact on winning is, Like Trey Young one of
the players with more you know, almost riding on this season,
if you will. And so that's kind of an interesting

(07:53):
trend to watch there a little bit, but no, I
mean back to the greater topic, Like I do think
some of the star power is evolving a little bit here,
like these younger guys, Like I think the NBA having
a great Finals last year really really helped, Like the
Pacers going on that Cinderella run with you know that
made halliburt In a household name. With SGA and with
the Thunder winning, like you have a team that's set

(08:14):
to go. And it's not just SGA too, it's even
with Jalen Williams and chet Holmgren on that particular team.
Wemby is back and playing and looks like he is
going to be the player that we all expected him
to be. Cad Cunningham you just mentioned the Pistons has
broken out, like Tyrese Maxi is having a career a
year Like this is just across the board, Like that's
not even including the guys who we've you know, expected
in the past few years, like and like Jason Tatum,

(08:36):
Like there are multiple Like the NBA has more talent
in it than ever, which is kind of why it
was odd to like with the off vibes where it's like, no,
every team basically has somebody worth watching night in, night
out who can go off, Like there aren't many There's
a couple, but there aren't many future teams in the
league right now. And maybe that's a little bit of

(08:56):
it too, Like there is the you know, the parody
factor has been real. We've talked about that, Like there
are a lot of teams who have pushed all in
you know, well.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It feels like the league, though, is kind of in
a good place. And and that's really remarkably saying something
justin when you talk about some of the like what
are the big stories for the NBA this year is
a massive gambling scandal, Like that's a good sign for
the NBA when they're so pulling in viewers given everything
that's happened here in the first month.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, and and to that, you know, you kind of
mentioned the young talent, the rising stars, and then to
the counterpoint with the Trey Young conversation, another player that
maybe should be put into that combo and maybe you'll
tell me I'm crazy for that. But but has felt
significantly on the downward spirals side. Is currently out with

(09:44):
at least two weeks with the right calf stream. But
like Ja Morant, I feel like I haven't heard anything
about this guy. His his again, it's twelve games, but
but points per game is significantly down. Last year was
twenty three's at seventeen point nine right now, you know,
been in active the last two games with that injury.
But at least the vibes around the Grizzlies and the

(10:08):
and the Jah Moran stuff is I again, I feel
like I haven't heard anything about him. And that's kind
of surprising because at one point he was like in
that conversation with the Ant, with the with the Wemby,
with these next stars and and he may very well
still be there. I mean, again, small sample size, but
at least from all the negative vibes he had going

(10:32):
on the last few years, plus the down in trend
stats for this season, it feels weird and the team's
not playing very well or at least record wise, not
doing great.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
So it's a very nuanced, in depth conversation that Chase
and I had two weeks ago where we talked about
Jah Moran a little bit, because you're right, it's not
getting better. And I think the injury that you mentioned here,
the two week injury, like that's the that's the huge
part of it, because clearly Memphis is unhappy and clearly
Ja Morant is unhappy, Like it's just not a good
relationship right now. We've had comments about coaching. He had

(11:06):
those comments about how the joy is gone, like there's
it's a lot right now, and it's a team that
you know. Frankly, I think after moving on from Desmond
Bane you kind of expected to trend downwards a little bit.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
But you're right, like they were supposed to.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Not only was Josh supposed to be the face of
the league, like the Grizzlies were supposed to be. This
like competitive Western conference like Powerhouse every year where they're
competing for it, and they frankly had about two years
of it and they haven't been anything close since so far.
They've been also off to a pretty rough start this season.
The problem is, though, given the injuries, given the off
the court stuff which you mentioned, what.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Is Jah Moran worth right now?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Like, if you're a franchise taking a swing on Jah Moran,
what realistically about are you.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Giving up giving?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like, I know he's still young, but you're right, the
play has objectively declined the past few seasons.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And to that, you know, you mentioned that if if
John Morant were to be available or being shopped around,
if you're a team looking and you see what's happening
with Atlanta and maybe Trey is being shopped around, Like
at that point, who would you prefer? Probably Trey because
it doesn't come with the with the drama, and Tray

(12:16):
still plays.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, Trey plays that. Yeah, there's way less injury
risk with Trey. Like I Trey's problem is that Trey
is a defensive Like he just can't stop anyone, Like
That's the problem with his size is that he just
will always be a defensive liability. You're going to have
to tailor some personnel around him to make up for that,
which is difficult in today's NBA, And I think that's

(12:39):
part of the challenge that Atlanta has had with building
around Trey Young. Trey Jung is also one of the
more offensively gifted singular forces in the NBA. Like I'm
not about to take that away from him either, Like
he's an unbelievably gifted offensive player, and so there is
there's less risk with compared to the injuries too, which
jamarant they're both getting paid big money, but like Trey Young,

(12:59):
you would know it least for the most part, it's
going to be on the floor. And you're right, like
there's been a lot less headache off the court.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think I think with job, you need to be
in a situation like it just has to be a
stronger organization, Like you have to have an organization that
is really gonna, you know, kind of real aman. And
it's like, I mean, I hate to I hate to
be the culture guy, but like Miami is the first one,
I'm like, yo, go have and play with Spoe, because
if it's not working with Spoe, it ain't gonna work anywhere.

(13:27):
That's kind of the way I view that.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
What's interesting is I just ran the player comparisons, So
just to set the scene for anybody that doesn't remember,
Ja Moran was drafted, uh Morant, I should say, was
drafted in twenty nineteen. Trey was drafted in twenty eighteen.
So just one season difference. Really, John Moran has played
three hundred and nineteen games, Trey Young has played four

(13:53):
hundred and eighty eight. Like that's that's a very log
That's that's all. I understand. Trade's got a whole season
on him, but still that's a lot more games. But
head to head, John Moran's got them five to two
in in games where they've gone up against each other.
But points, assists percentages three point at least.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Free throw way better three.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
But it's but it's surprising. Well yeah, jaws a three
thirty one percent and Trey's thirty five percent.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Still both not great this season or career the career.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Wow, I thought it would be higher.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
At least.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what this is the stat head, you know, stad
head sports. It's but but but to that, you know, like, yeah,
it's kind of it's kind of surprising how much different
that is. And to that, Trey Young's playing thirty two
minutes per game and John Moran is playing twenty seven
per game when they go up against each other in
those in those seven games, So.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Trey really is a third career thirty five. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
His best career, his best career.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Shooting season was twenty one two thirty eight. I would
have definitely thought he hit forty at least one of
those seasons.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Great a high.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Volume guy though, too, Yes, yeah, ye yeah. He's also
his one ninety two in the five games this season,
or nineteen percent, I should say, not really, uh yeah,
that really.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Helping too much.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
This Again, it's small sable size was probably dragging it
down a little bit there. But no either way, like
you said, injuries are a big part of it. It's
a it's an interesting conversation.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
For surely, Trey's four is uh surprisingly a lot higher
than John Moran's like I would have thought they would
be a little bit closer. Jows is eleven point five,
trays are nineteen point three.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So Johs last few year has been bad. Man.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's it's been a steady decline and that's the thing
is like, yeah, this season has not really you know,
it hasn't gotten better.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
To them both a negative defensive box plus minus, but
obviously both positive offensive box plus minus. So when you
take that into consideration, it's like, yeah, Trey's defense of
his is significantly worse, but his offense is better, So
you go with you go with the higher swing there,
I guess. But yeah, so that that also could work
against the Grizzlies and John Morant if there is any

(16:12):
potential to try to consider something like that, maybe this
season or whenever.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
So I guess.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
My only other question to you is how much weight
do you put into the other stat that I saw
AP News put out about this NBA positive vibes kind
of thing is that social media engagement is up at
a record level, saying the league's already had thirty plus
billion views on NBA content across social platforms. I part

(16:41):
of me is like, that's really cool. But at the
same time, I'm like, what does that really do other
than I guess show maybe people are interested in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I mean, it gets people to watch the whole I mean,
if it gets them to watch games like I think
the NBA has been one of the more you know,
progressive leagues with social media. I feel like they've been
trying to embrace it market their start that way. So
like that if anything is not surprising, and of course
to the international game, I think the more you know,
the more faces you can get on screens and the

(17:09):
more just attention to go seek it out, Like even
if they just watch highlights, like I know that's ideally
not the fan you want to bring in. You want
to get them to watch the full games. But like
it's all promoting the league in the brand at the end.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Of the day.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, and I wonder if this means the NBA leans
a little more into streaming and just being in more
places like that, which which at least from again my perspective,
just seeing what we have here, you would imagine that's
probably the case. And I don't think a bad case.
I would just hate for it to get behind a
paywall of one that I don't have, you know, because

(17:41):
that's how that goes and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And that's the whole other topic that we can talk
about another day. But like right streaming, I mean, with
the NFL, we've seen it all the time, is becoming
incredibly difficult it's like you're having to pay an exorbitant
amount of money if you want to watch all your.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Team games this year.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
And then you got everybody crashing out because YouTube TV
couldn't come to a deal with Disney or whatever it was,
and so now ESPN's not wasn't on YouTube TV, and
it's like I had my dad call.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Me be like I'm moving to Fubou TV, and.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I'm like, all right, calm down, Like it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Can respect os, But I mean, yeah, the Eagles play.
The Eagles are playing this Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Game, not this weekend, but I'm coming yeah on Friday,
and they're on Amazon Prime. So if you don't have
Amazon here, just stuck. You're not watching for the Bears
fans in Chicago. Obviously, we shout out to the Eagles
Bears alliance. By the way, we talked a little bit
about off the mic that's you want to talk about
being online. That might be a little too online, but
we appreciate y'all. It's it's a shame we got to
play this year given the success we have had against

(18:42):
each other's division.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Welcome everybody the.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Driving Ish NBA Podcast. My name is Kevin Ray. Feuse
joining me as always my co host Justin kuz.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Art, James Harden has or sorry, let me try that again.
Draymond Green has a higher career high for three pointers
made in a single playoff game than James Harden.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I probably believe that only because is it that Game
seven of the NBA Finals in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Where he had eight?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yep, yeah, dude, Draymond like gets a lot of flak
for getting them there. That is truly like Draymond Green
Game seven and twenty sixteen against the Cabs, which obviously,
like they lost that game, Draymond had the game of
his life. He was unconscious that game, like defensively everywhere,
but like right, he was raining from three pointers, like

(19:28):
there were all those memes within a few seasons of
him just shouldn't be allowed to ever shoot jumpers. And
I'm like, this guy was, like it would have been
one of the all time performances in a game seven.
I mean it still is, but it'll just get lost
to history because they lost. Like Draymond played his rear
end off in that game, So yes, I believe it.
He was like you want to talk about coming up

(19:49):
big when it mattered that They couldn't have got much
bigger than that.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, he got eight three pointers in that game. That
was May seventh. James Harden's career high for three pointers
in a playoff game is seven, so just one behind Draymond.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
But but thought that was a wild stat out there.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's still the best game. Like you want to talk about,
like since we started that game seven of Calves Warriors
in twenty sixteen, that's the best game of basketball I've
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Like you want to talk about the steaks.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You want to talk about how close it was, the
star power, like what was at stake for each squad,
Like it was just it won't get I mean, we've
had something to get close for sure. But like I
look back and go, yeah, that's that's the one I
go to every time.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
That was a good one.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
No, I remember that very much because I was very
excited the ending end of the way it did, because
it made me correct in my prediction that everyone thought
I was crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Shit Calves and seven before it even started. That was crazy.
But hey, look a look at you. You knew something.
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Speaker 1 (21:21):
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Speaker 3 (21:25):
So two injuries that we wanted to get into here
is Sabonis and Wemby out for a little bit. Wemby,
I believe it's two to three weeks with a strain.
The coach, well, the spurs essentially came out and they're like,
we're gonna be as cautious, We're not gonna risk it.
Of course you're not gonna risk it, like come on,

(21:46):
but obviously a blow you don't want to. Wemby, who
has been such a draw for the NBA, probably a
big part of the the surge that we were talking
about in viewing. You know that that Donkey had on
Raymond was everywhere electric.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, you want to talk about no, listen, you want
to talk about it, Joe, I love it. He ain't
scared either. That's what I like is he ain't scared.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
No, And then dude, that was so cool. So obviously
the strain of bummer. But but Wenby gonna be sitting
out for a little bit. In terms of the standings,
We'll see what it does. Spurs are in the top
four of the Western Conference right now, just behind the Lakers, Nuggets,
and Thunder. They're eleven and four on a three game
win streak, six and four in their last ten, but

(22:28):
very little wiggle room to falter if there is any
losses to come from this because the Rockets, the Suns,
the Timberwolves are all just really one game behind them,
half a game behind him in some cases. So you know,
we'll see where that all ends up. But obviously, at
least from a blow on the Wemby side of things.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, the separation is starting to take place in your right,
Like San Antonio has been playing great. I feel like
I've said it every episode, but like there was the
challenge to see, you know, you won't see San Antonio
start to win some games this year, and yeah, so far,
so good. Fifteen games into the season. They're winning some
games right now, and they look good. I mean, I
think the continued bummer more than anything with Wemby being
out is that, you know, he and Darren Fox, who

(23:11):
was the big addition for San Antonio last year, who
kind of pushed the chips in here a little bit,
like they just haven't really been able to spend a
lot of time on the floor together. And I saw
a stat which is crazy, they've actually played together more
this year than they did all of last year, given
you know, Wemby's blood clots, Fox had.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
A finger injury that it was a game, did.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
They Yeah, And so you know, you finally start to
see them get here because obviously, like foxes all some
injuries this season, Wemby's been the guy mostly playing. It's like, hey,
we get into rhythm, you know, and it seems like
their games compliment each other pretty well, Like that's the
big takeaways. It's like, hey, this is a good pickup,
Like this should improve their ceiling here and you know,
just a little bit of a minor setback, And I mean,

(23:49):
I think the good news of Wemby is it's just
like again minor, they're being cautious, like one of two
weeks is not really going to set your season back
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
But it's such little wiggle room like that. You do,
you do kind of see what happens, because here's the thing.
They drop, you know, even just drop one game or
two games, and depending on where the Warriors are and
maybe even the Trailblazers, we'll see where they keep going.
But like you drop a few games and next thing
you know, you you went from fourth to potentially ninth.

(24:18):
And that's where like a narrative can start like oh boy,
we're terrible again, which is not the case, but so
and and because it's literally a game or two here. Uh,
that's why you know the two week thing could be
could be problemsome.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah. Shout out to law Murray for that stat.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
By the way, on the the Wemby and Fox playing
more together this season already than last year. Just one
hundred and twenty minutes together last season.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Okay, say they did get time together, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, one hundred and twenty minutes they've played one hundred
and twenty three minutes so far together this season.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
But some bonus.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
On the other hand, this one, you know, three to
four week injuries, got a miniscus tear, so that's obviously
not a light one. The Kings off to a pretty
bad start, to say the least, three and thirteen. Right now,
they are the losers of eight straight as of recording
this podcast. I mean, we talked to Kings a few
weeks ago, and I think the discussion was gonna be, hey,

(25:19):
we're probably blowing this team up at some point, Like
this feels like a team that is a prime, Like
let's reset, we have players that can get value. I mean,
Saboni is probably the biggest one. Like I think there
are a lot of teams out there who trade for Sabona.
Sabonis still play in excellent basketball.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
But yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
This is just more like this will further push them
towards that everything must go fire sale, and you do.
You would guys like you know, with the mar Derosen,
with Malik Monk, with Zach Lavine, like you wonder, I
think everybody is on the market. It's like, if I'm
the Kings, I'm at the point too, where it's like, yeah,
you should be trading all these guys and starting over,
like this team is going nowhere fast. The roster construction

(25:58):
makes zero sense. It's fortunate because as we talked about,
like the Beam team season was only a few years ago,
like the vibes that were super high around this team,
this is a franchise that hasn't won a lot in
the past twenty years realistically, and so it's kind of
hard to say, hey, let's reset here a little bit.
But man, the Kings are so due for a reset.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, and and and to that, you know, the loss
to the grizz I think was their eighth consecutive loss
by double digits for the Kings sold.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Jesus Man, like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
And to that point, they lost to the Grizzlies one
thirty seven to ninety six. And yeah, to your point,
Sabonis is left as the highest paid player on the team,
and they're a disappointing teams. So we'll see where it goes.
My favorite just an observation as I went to ESPN
to pull up some stats on somebonas. It was a
tab for the Washington Wizards. They're doing a twenty twenty

(26:51):
six mock draft. So that's where the Wizards are on
things already.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So we said, I went to the Kings Herald, which
is one of you know, the big Kings blogs out here,
and the top headline is from.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Being team to I want to scream team.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Dude. I love that.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Man who wrote this.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Hang on, I'll lokive the credit that needs some credit.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Oh my god, Akus Euroacostas, And I feel like I
probably just butchered that pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But you know, shout out to you that ten out
of ten headline.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Wow, yeah, dude, but your your eight losses in a row. Man,
you got three wins on the season. The only team's
worst record wise are going to be the Pelicans and
uh Pacers and Wizards, and you know those teams also
in that in that conversation of not having a good
start to the season or already potentially looking at mock
drafts for twenty twenty six. So yeah, man, I would say,

(27:46):
just just an observation as I'm looking at the like
Raptors at eleven and five.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Whoa, yeah, No, definitely one of the one of the
sneaky stories this year. I feel like that's going under
the Radar. Uh, they won their NBA Cup group. I mean,
we're gonna we'll talk NBA Cup as we start to
get ready more towards group play. We're not going to
do all the x's and o's of that right now.
But yeah, they had a big win. They won their
group already in advancing. Yeah, they had a big win

(28:12):
over the Sixers the other night, Like, yeah, six in
a Row is a recording this podcast, and I mean, yeah,
they're up. I mean they're only behind the Droid right now,
which I mean, yeah, nobody.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Won nine and one in their last ten games, which
only the Nuggets, the Thunder, and the Pistons either have
that same record in the last ten or have won
last loss. Shout out to the Pistons on that one,
who have won their last ten.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean it's interesting too because right, like none of
these guys really jump off the page, Like Brandon Ingram's
been playing well, but like we've kind of seen what
it is a Brandon Ingram at this point. You know,
it's it's Ingram, it's r J. Barrett, it's Scotty Barnes,
Emmanuel quick I do like Quickly. I've always liked Quickly's
game a lot. I feel like they need another big

(28:57):
like peurdles good, but you probably you need another one
if you're going to really contend with this team or
try to make a run at the East.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
But well, it's interesting, you know, like you said, you
know that one loss was to the Sixers, who beat
them one thirty to one twenty. But since then, beat
the Nets, beat the Calves, that's a big one. Beat
the Pacers, beat the Raptors, or sorry, beat the Hornets,
beat the seventy six ers like you were talking about,
and blew out the Wizards, which you should do if
you're a good team, because it's the Wizards. But yeah,

(29:25):
big win against the Bucks on November fourth, beat the
Calves actually recently twice now, and so yeah, that's stuff
that is definitely, at least from a surprising NBA team standpoint,
I think that puts them right towards the top, because, yeah,
we didn't really expect much from the Raptors this year.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
They're playing, they're playing really good defense. They've got one
of the lower defensive ratings in the league right now.
All I mean, all the underlying numbers are good too,
Like their point differential is good and You're right. The
biggest thing viral iquote unquote that I've seen from this
uh from the Raptor season so far as you saw
that clip where like Brandon Ingram throws his water bottle

(30:06):
on the ground and dude, he soaks everybody. Man, he
soaks like all the camera people on baseline, he soaks
their trainers. It was like, dude, like, oh, you're mad,
but leave leave the civilians out of it.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, it's like poor guys, oh man.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
But no, Yeah, definitely definitely flying under the radar for sure,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Teamwork, depth and a decent defense will get you somewhere.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, no, it really will.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean that's the you know, you won't talk about
the trends in the NBA the last couple of years.
I mean depth, depth, depth, depth has been one of
the big All the teams that have won recently have
had quality depth.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
So so uh just from Raptors HQ, this ten game
stretch that they're nine to one is their best stretch
of games since twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well okay, yeah, I mean I kind of believe that
that makes sense. I mean they've been pretty they've been
pretty bad the last few years. I mean they kind
of mini blew it up, you know, when Fred laughed
and when they you know, og like Afiakom got traded.
They've they've been kind of in reset mode since then.
But it's weird because they never fully reset because like
you know, like you said, they went out and got
pertl from San Antonio. They brought in a guy like

(31:11):
RJ Barrett, who's like, I mean, RJ's younger, but he's
not like a reset guy necessarily.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Even the Ingram move, we were kind of like, that's
interesting and it seems to be off.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we'll see it seems to go.
So I mean the other story that I feel like
no one's talking about just because I mean, they won
last year, so maybe were not paying attention to it.
But like, okay, see a sixteen in one right now,
like they're just steamrolling.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's just because we knew that was coming. Like where
that to me?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's like Jalen Williams has missed time too.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
So like it's more just like I'm impressed, like consider
be impressed. The beginning of the schedule was kind of
like a little bit softer, so maybe you weren't surprised
there but like, no, they just keep chugging. I mean,
they obliterated Utah the other night. I think they were
only a thirty three to four run at some point
it did en ended up even being close. But yeah,
a lot of a lot of credits to them so far.

(31:59):
I mean they they haven't thankfully ideal with injuries like
some of these other teams have.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
But all right, who's ballin? Who's falling?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Our NBA version of the stock market, we always like
start with the good before the bad, So justin I
will start with you this week.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Who is balling for me?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It is gonna go to Cooper Flag, who, by the way,
is eighteen years old. That is important for this part
of the conversation. He is eighteen years old. His birthday
is December twenty first, he'll turn nineteen next month. But
to that, Cooper Flag last night was twenty nine points,
seven rebounds, five assists, and two steals in thirty two minutes,

(32:37):
which is I mean, again to point out he is
eighteen years old. This is you know, goes back to
why he went number one. But he also becomes the
second youngest player in NBA history to record a twenty five,
five and five in a regular game. The youngest is
Lebron James, who did it three times, So we'll see
if Cooper Flagg tries to get on that three time

(32:57):
train as well.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
But yeah, what a baller, what a what a game, and.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Very impressive for somebody who is eighteen years old playing
against literal adults.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well also, maybe just don't like pronounce Cooper flag as
a bust when we're three games into the season and
he's kind of adjusted to playing point guard when he
has been a point guard traditionally, Like the kid has
been hyped for a long time. He's a big prospect already.
I do love the overreactions though, and not take away
from Coop because Coop is obviously balling and I think
he's going to be an excellent NBA player. But I
already love because twenty twenty six looks to be a

(33:31):
like draft people are telling me that the twenty twenty
six draft is really good, because I feel like that
people are starting to say that every year, but this
year in particular, the saying yo, no, like there's like
the top three four guys all could potentially be franchise changers.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
But already these haggerations.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Are starting to get a little bit out of hair
where you're like, all right, fam, well they're like Cooper
Flag would go three in this draft, and it's like,
we don't know that, and like that's kind of like, alright, guys,
he's got a little bit of struggle in the NBA
and now he's going three in the next years Drack
after he was a generational prospect in this last year.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Like it takes time.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
All these guys are on a different development schedule, Like
you said, he's eighteen years old. Like the MAVs got one.
They're a mess. Obviously, we talked about the Nico firing
last week. I think the Maps have a lot of decisions.
I mean, it seems like they're gonna put Anthony Davis
on the market, which is a good call. Like I
think they should honestly.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Do that with everybody.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Like I think you should blow this team up, like
you've already blew it up when you traded Luca, so
fully commit to blowing it up. This whole small window
thing didn't work. We don't need to rehash that. But yeah,
the MAVs have an accelerated start to the rebuild because
you have a blue chip superstar potentially prospect, like that
is the one good thing that they can hold their
hat on by winning this lottery. It's like, yeah, Cooper

(34:42):
Flag's a big addition. He's gonna be good for a
long time, you know, and you don't employ Nico Harrison's
you don't have to worry about trading him potentially in
seven seasons, which is very nice.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, currently MAVs five and twelve on the season. They
are three and seven in their last ten, so that
puts them about twelve in the West. So yeah, to
your point, you know, you fully commit to the rebuild
and maybe to your point, go get another player in
this next draft that could be either another cornerstone or
somebody to compliment Cooper Flag, who already looks like a cornerstone.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
So yeah, the Maps think they should absolutely be going
for picks right now, like they're they're not gonna win
anything this year, but I mean they may still they're
going to be in play in contention just because you know,
it looks like the bottom of the West is a
little more open than we expected. But yeah, I mean
it's right like Memphis has been down, Clippers have been down,
Kings have been down. New Orleans is down, so it's like, yeah,

(35:34):
it's a little more wide open. I mean word to
nine and ten in the West right now being Portland
in Utah.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, and and to that comparing flag to Lebron for
youngest player in NBA history for the twenty five, five
and five My following takes us over to Lebron, who
it has been brought up that Lebron can only missed
three more games as three we are not even twenty
games into the season. He can only miss three more
games until the end of the regular season to be

(36:02):
eligible for all NBA. He has been All NBA for
twenty one straight years, but obviously Lebron's older, so you
think potentially skipping those back to backs would probably make sense.
But you know, to be eligible for all NBA go
twenty two straight years, I don't know what's in the

(36:23):
contract in terms of potential more money if you make
all NBA for Lebron.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
But man, oh man, that could be wild.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
He has no chance of making All NBA now, unfortunately,
and it is just because the injury risk. And also,
by the way, we're full balling to you respect a
full time jack move. You told my balllind to take
a hike, we're.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Gonna we'll get back to that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, uh no, so we'll get back, but no with Broun, like, yeah,
you're right, they unfortunately missed the first few weeks kind
of took it out of it. I don't expect him,
at forty years old to be playing on back to backs,
Like you're right, he basically has to play every game
from here on out. I just don't see that happening,
and especially if the Lakers keep winning like this Lakers
team has been pretty good so far.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
The vibes seem high.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Lebron's coming back and he's playing like less of a
I mean, that was part of what he talked about,
is where it was like he what twelve assists in
thirty minutes the other night, Like he will always find
a way to impact the game, and you know, kind
of more in that Luca, you know takeover transition we
talked about. It would be crazy to see that come
to an end, and that would be unfortunate. But I
love the quote from DeAndre eighton the other day, who

(37:24):
he caught apparently caught alube from Lebrony during the one game,
and you know.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
After the game, he was like, yeah, I told him.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
He's like, man, that's only that's only the second allupe
I ever caught from you. The first one I caught
was I was at your camp in eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Just like, man, bro, don't make it feel old.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Also, in case you are worried, lebron will not will
not lose any money if he does not make all NBA,
he is already earning the max he can and it
is not gate till but all NBA not.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, I feel real bad by the billionaire right now.
Miss And that was all NBA bonus. But no, I
love too. Was cracking me up with him talking about
Bronnie moving out the other day. That was pretty funny.
He's like, no, man, we do't talk as much anymore.
It's got his own place, like hilarious. No balling for
me this week is LaMelo Ball and apparently it's relationship

(38:15):
with the Hornets. There are some rumors going around that,
you know, he's starting to get.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Ready to ask out. He's frustrated.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
He said following practice yesterday that he loves being here.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
He's just trying to win. You know.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Ball is the first Max contract player in team's history.
The ownership has said that he's a key piece of
what they're doing going forward. The Yahoo Report had basically
come out and said that he was frustrated with the
team losing.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
LaMelo.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
For what it's worth, also reposted that story with a
clown emoji, So I guess that's what he thought about it.
But yeah, I mean, look, they haven't been to the
postseason the entire time he's been there, like he got
drafted twenty twenty. Granted, LaMelo has also missed a lot
of times, so I think that's what makes it a.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Little difficult here.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like, yeah, I do think he's a key cornerstone
of this franchise. I think he also does to be
on the floor in order to be that, you know, cornerstone.
I don't know, Like they're four and eleven right now,
they're a full three and a half games, almost four
games back of Boston at this point for playing like
and kind of where that line is, you know, right
with him and Brandon Miller, Like you would start to

(39:22):
hope this team would, you know, put it together, start
to win some games here eventually, But.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know. It's I can I can understand the
frustration there. They have not been winning.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Well, and I wonder if there's a situation at least
from the like, you know, maybe some other player places
or people that do want LaMelo or putting that info
out there to just see if something could gets stirred up.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
But it might not touch the water, as I respected.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
It might be a situation. It might be like a
Dame situation, right. He might like being in Dame's case,
you know, in Portland back in the day and stuff
like that. So maybe that could be a similar situation
with LaMelo likes living in Charlotte. And that's not to
say Charlotte's not a big city. It definitely is.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
But but dude, Charlotte City. I like Charlotte the city
I've been. I'm only great.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I've only been one time, but I had an enjoyable
experience when I was there.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Mm hmm, no, I I I agree. So, so, you know,
I think it's just teams kind of putting some feelers
out there to see if maybe they could jostle him
free potentially get him to a bigger market. But that
happens with every smaller market sports team. When there's a
decent player on it. It's like, oh, I'll go to
a bigger market, you get more endorsement deals. I remember

(40:28):
that happening with Trevor Lawrence when he got drafted over
going to the Jets. They're like, oh, he's gonna make
twenty two percent less off endorsements because he's in Jacksonville
and not you know, Jersey or New York and so whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
But I'll stand on your slander there. Call it Jersey.
I was they play in Jersey. Bru Lands are in Jersey,
They're not in New York.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Listen, I know what it is.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Shouted my guy Michael Frank, by the way, for housing
me when I stayed in Charlotte. I appreciate you, dude.
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Falling for me this week is Giannest who's also you know,
you want to talk about some of the injuries that
we've talked about this episode. He's gonna be out as
well one to two weeks with a groin strain. Janni's
currently fourth in the NBA and scoring. This happened during
the Cleveland game. He ended up leaving in the second quarter.
They lost that game. Look, it can get bleaked for
the Bucks past. I guess that's my point, is like

(41:19):
we're Jannis is just steamrolling them to some wins here.
The rest of this roster stinks, There's no way around it.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's just not very good. I'm interested to see.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Huh they're five eight and eight on the season.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, they're five hundred and then they're they're missing two
weeks that Yiannis and they might be like Boston's gonna
be right up there real quick.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's bleak for Milwaukee. Man, I just don't know. I
don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Like it reminds me I got in this another one
where I wish I could cite it and give the credit.
But like I read an article the other day that
was talking about how like Giannis right now, it's like
the last few years of Russ and Okac where it's like, look,
in Giannis's case, they won a title, but in russ cases,
like they're so happy post Kadie to still it's basically
like just do whatever you want, and so Yannis is
like he is, that's what he has to do at

(42:05):
this point, Like the only way for them to be
competitive is for him to just have the ball all
the time and be like fully freak mode, which works
to an extent. But yeah, I it's time to move on,
Like we need to just be honest. Watch he needs
to get back going. This team is doing nothing, Like
Middleton is gone. The Kusma trade was a disaster. They

(42:25):
haven't drafted really that well, like Brook Lopez has gone
and Miles Turner's there now and it's not like there's
really any improvement at all. Like it's it's time to
move on from Milwaukee fans. So they got to you know,
we want to talk about blowing this up. And I
don't want to trade somebody like Giannis, but at least
at least you can say you want a title, Like
that's what it all comes down to.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
The mission was completed. But like we need to get
honest out of Milwaukee, man.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And I'm not to get that, you know, I'm not
to get him out of the small market guy.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
But it's just like he's not winning in Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Dude, I listen.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I I I guess I'll just say because I feel
like it's kind of slanderous, but yeah, if the Bulls
got a better record than you might be aside to
do something.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, Like there are multiple teams that aren't expected, like
the Bucks in their mind. I feel like I think
they're winning the title right now.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
They're tenth.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
They're tenth in the East right now against teams that, like,
like you mentioned Detroit, Toronto's way ahead of them, Miami
posts Jimmy Butler is ahead of them right now, like
Atlanta's better.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Miami is ten and six. I mean, that's another one
that's kind of like whoa they should be on surprise
watch as playing well.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Orlando's starting to turn it around a little bit. They're
seven and three in their last ten. Atlanta, like we says,
we're playing all right without Trey. The Sixers, I don't
know what the Sixers do. Every time I feel like
six or turning corner, something happens.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Seventy six still have a better win percentage, and the Magic.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh yeah, I mean that that game in hand is
paying off right now.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I will, I will, I will literally die on this
hill until the Magic are have a better record than
the seventy six ers. So I will continue to bring
that up because Chase I tell him every week in
the hall or every day in the hall.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Oh that's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I mean, look the Sixers, Max, He's just going crazy,
like that's the biggest thing right now.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Paul George is playing again, which is nice to see,
but it's just.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Like, yeah, the MBAD situation still lingers over everything, Like
he just hasn't really looked good when he's played so far,
like at least defensively, he's been a mess. The good
news is now it doesn't seem like he has to be.
But like you know, again, we want to talk about trends.
That's definitely a trend we can watch going forward among
any But all right, should we switch gears a little

(44:28):
bit enough injury talk, Let's dive with some immaculate grid.
Unless we just want to do our immaculate grid with
nothing but guys that are known for getting injured this week,
that'd be kind of, uh try unfortunate.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
We could try, I don't know, I don't know how
easy it'll be, but we can try to do injury
injury risk as.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Well, the all injury team. But no for the for
the immaculate grid. If you want to watch it, you
can always watch on YouTube. A full podcast just start
driving toh NBA podcast. But for the listeners or columns
from left to right, this week, the Bucks, the Sixers,
and one steal a game per season arose from top
to bottom the Warriors, the Timberwolves, and All Star I

(45:05):
don't think we have an l for Peyton connection so
already out there unfortunately, anywhere you want to start this week.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I know we've got the Iggy connect with Warriors Sixers.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, that's probably that's easily the most popular for that.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
It's didn't Dario end up with the Warriors at one point,
So Dario would be an interesting one. So at least
just right off the rip we have that, we could
go Jannis with All Star Bucks.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I mean that's the I mean, the obvious ones were
all start in Bucks. I mean there's a couple honestly,
like Jannis, Chris Middleton.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Did Kareem did?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Did Kyle Korver end up with the Warriors at any point?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
No? Uh no, Bucks and Sixers he would have worked,
But I know that's.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Why I was trying to see if there was a
connect there. And he'd never ended up on the Timberwolves either,
So interesting, Okay, um, I feel like Dark well it's
kind of recent.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I think Dario will be low if you want to
do there, yeah, because I mean he was, he'll be
lower for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Oh wow, Okay, I didn't think it would be that
low I thought was he on the Bucks too?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
He actually would have worked No, now, I said that
he would have worked for Warriors and Timberwolves, but they
don't overlap. Oh, he would have worked for six Ers
Timberwolves too.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
He was in the Jimmy deal obviously.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Oh Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Oh well there, you know Jimmy would Jimmy works for
six Ers Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Jimmy works for six Ers Wolves.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And the other one that was involved in that trade,
of course, is our boy, Robert Covington. Robert Covington was
him and Dario.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
That was that was sad.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I mean, obviously getting Jimmy was great and worth it,
but like that was that hurt my heart a little bit?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Like those were our guys?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, will you go Covington? I bet that would be low.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm fine going Comington. There there's other, like more random
guys we come up with.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Still kind of surprising, but I mean, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Guess because he was involved in the Jimmy trade, that
makes a little bit of sense.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
All right, So.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Let's was Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Did he had to have be been an All Star
the Sixers year, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, Jimmy there, Yeah, we go Jimmy now brace my heart. Yeah,
because I think I.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Negot it for the break.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Oh, it's because of the break. We probably got him
after the break. Then that's brutal. Oh that's so unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Damn, that's annoying.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
That is annoying.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
It doesn't even give us. Oh, it doesn't give it
down here.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, Wow, he wasn't an All Star. That that's crazy.
He's All Star the very next year with Miami. He
wasn't an All Star that year?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Was he playing on like twenty A game?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I guess because we got him. Yeah, that's weird. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Count that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Got he was an All Star? He was like in
the MVP voting before the year Minnesota. I mean, it
doesn't it probably has to be with the team. So
that's why it's that low.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
He was only with the US.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Been an All Star in a season with that team,
went paired with that category.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I don't know. That's weird. Okay, well all right, well
that's it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
You know what we're gonna do?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I mean, sixers all Stars if we just just for
the sake of running through these, because I can Iverson Barkley, Irving,
Moses Malone.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
No, like, we don't need to answer this. We'll get
the ones. But like Moses Barkley.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
And that that we as Sixers fans are not going
to have an entry before.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
He would have been low there because he only made
it like one year, I think. But he was an
all star with us for show.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Let's do.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Let you I bet he has a steal per game
with the war Yeah, let's do.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, that's fine, easily.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I g u I yeah, I gave up. I typed
in Iggy and I realized I was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I can't believe he's only four percent there. I mean,
I guess with a guard with Steph you would think
it's higher.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Draymond probably gets on that a lot. Yeah, yeah, true, Yeah,
probably played Probably would have been a good one for
that too.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Any guard works, Yeah, any guard works almost anywhere, all right,
Bucks and Timberwolves and Bucks and Warriors, the off the
recency the Bucks and Warriors. I think the one that's
gonna be like kind of obvious is Dante Devincenzo.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
What about.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I know Iliasova ended up on the Bucks, but I
don't know if he ever made it over to the Warriors.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
You know, I feel like he might have been on
the Wolves though.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
The Wolves might be yeah, or the he was he
was for sure because he went sixers to the Bucks.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Where was he before all that?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's the problem. I don't know, I don't know. I
know he's on the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I know he's on the Magic at one point. That's
that's the extent of it.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Who else are Bucks at There's an a big one.
I feel like we're missing recently.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I think I keep wanting to say, like like Louis
Skull or no, who.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Got to the Bucks at one point? Who's who's actually
like pretty good on the Warriors? Who I thought about
for the one steal game per season?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Who should do we should do? Monta Ellis oh.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Definitely was in the Bucks for a little bit. Him
and Steph the o G Warriors backcourt. All right, good
for him?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
All right? Bucks and timber Wolves.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Bucks, tim Bucks?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Oh, te definitely.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Works, t definitely works. Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
There's another one though, who I'm trying to think of.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Rondo was on the Wolves. He never ended up with
the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I didn't even know Rondo was on the Wolves.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Honestly, I'm pretty sure it was yeah, yeah, I think
he was not Rondo. I'm sorry, Rubio Rubio. Who's I'm thinking?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Who oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Rubio is definitely on. Yeah, okay, yeah,
rub very much.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Rubio for one steal per game might.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Be definitely work. Yeah, I think he'd work. There's no way,
Rubio that one Steel game.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah sixteen, that's actually wow. Yeah yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, it makes sense popular guard one steal game at
all Star. You have so many choices too, that's actually hilarious.
I'm just like gonna, I'm gonna, let's do who's the
first person that comes to your mind with one steal
game per game and All Star?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Just the first one that comes to mind?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Zach Randolph. Yeah, now we're not sure.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I think we went big there instead of Guard. That's
why I have a surprise.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
I'm sitting like, name somebody. You said, name somebody.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
The first person that came to my mind was Zach Randolf,
and then the second was what's his name? The the
coffee coffee guy from this person.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
You know random? You do, Randolph, That's that's hilarious. He'll
be low. It's gonna be like it's gonna be a
decimal percent.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, oh he's not
gonna be All Star though I was trying to think
of what's his name from the Thunder. He never scored,
but he was always like yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
There's no way he was All Star.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
No, no, Randols gonna be helloo there because that me
laughing shows how low he's gonna because I never think
of Randolf that, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
I didn't even know he was gonna have this deals. Honest.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I was worried, to be honest a little bit, but
once we lost that one six ers category, I was like, ah, whatever,
Zach Randolf, Bucks and Bucks all Star. I mean, the
obvious ones are Kareem Giannis, Chris Middleton, Ray Allen.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
But he has to be All Star with the team, right,
he still.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Might have been. Dave was an All Star where your
day would definitely worked there. You want to go Dame, Yeah,
I kind of I didn't, but like, yeah, I kind of.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I was gonna see if like Sam cassell er No,
I was gonna see if like Sam Casseller Glenn Robinson
worked there. I want to go back now. I want
to look Sam cassell No, samsell actually want to work there.
It's only all star teams in Minnesota. Glenn Robinson. Would
he worked there? Oh, Sam, I guess I just gave

(53:27):
one away. I can't use Sam Cassell for Bucks in Minnesota,
And now I was cheating.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Glenn Robinson. Did Glenn Robinson two All Star appearances in Milwaukee?
All right?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Who was who was on the team with Jimmy when
he went like third team versus first drink?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Did any of those guys end up? I think he
was there.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, he is the one that comes to mind. I
think the other one was Fad young Ever on the Warriors.
I know he's like an immaculate grid dog Warriors not Warriors.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I'm pretty sure he was on the Waves. If that
was on the Wolves, he was definitely on the box.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Dad would be good. I just don't know. Evan Turner
did he ever end up on either of those two?
Just as we're talking about random sixers that that.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Ended up on a bunch of teams.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Because he was on the he was on Portland, he
was on Pacers.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
So is that Young? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, I feel better about tigue than I do about fat.
I don't want to do. I don't want to do
too where we missed, man?

Speaker 4 (54:38):
I know there we go.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That was lower than I expected there a little bit.
Not gonna lie. All right. Most popular guesses this week
if you want to stroll down over time, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
The most popular guess isog We even talk about bog
that's right, he went number one. So for Warriors and
Bucks is Andrew Boget for Wilt Chamberlain for Warriors and Sixers.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Look at old school getting the love you love that there?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Steph for Warriors won game one steel game per season.
Sam Cassell was the most popular for Bucks and timber Wolves.
Jimmy Butler for Sixers and Timberwolves. Anthony Edwards for Wolves
had one Steeler game per season. Jiannasantetakumbo, who is hilarious
that they just put Giannis because they don't want to
fit the whole thing in but for Bucks All Star,
Joel Embiid for Sixers All Star, Michael Jordan for All

(55:26):
Star in one.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Game, seven game per season, thirty seven connects for the trade.
Let's see who's the most Oh.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Joe, Oh yeah, true, you can't spend that year, that's right, Steven.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Brag Monroe, Torrian Prince Cannon, I can patch wow, only
four games?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Mo Williams, I've loved that.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Sean Kilpatrick is the guy you picked out of that list.
There's so many guys there like Sean Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Sure that's the guy who written come on back, Oh
for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, all right, do we want to go back to
our last argrid for one last look?

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
All right, so we.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Got we got eight out of nine again weirdly the
Sixers All Stars the one we missed there with Jimmy God,
hate that for us, but all right, So for Bucks
and Warriors, Monte Ellis for Sixers and Warriors, Sario Sorrch
for Warriors, one stealer game, andre Udala for Bucks and Wolves,
Jeff Tigue for Sixers and Timberwolves, Robert Covington for Wolves,
one stealer game, for one steel game per season, Ricky

(56:30):
Rubio for Bucks, All Star Damian Lillard and for All
Star one stealing game per season. Mister Zach Randolph, thank
you everybody for listening to this episode of the Driving
Dish NBA podcast. Appreciate you guys, as always listen to
the show wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And you can always find this show on YouTube. Search
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you can find us there. Sorry, I'm looking at Sixers,
Golden State Warriors. We missed a tons, Yeah, I know that.
More for Buddy Healed, Melton, Dario Kelly, oubre Alec Burks,

(57:07):
will Stein, Glenn Robinson is gross.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Swaggy p that's that would have been a good one.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Matt Barnes works.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
JaVale McGhee justin holiday. Dwayne Deadman, Holy.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Matt Deadman was a Golden State. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Four games in Golden State in twenty fourteen, played nineteen
games for US.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Oh yeah, that was Deadman was a process like he
was an og processed guy. He ended up having like
if you want to talk about guys who processed, he
had won the longest careers after.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
That, you know, Actually, here's another another few. Maurice Sprats.
I don't know if we mentioned.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Him, most easy, Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Carl Landry, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Uh Rajah bell One one game for the.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Warriors, that's crazy, that is actually crazy.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Marco Bellinelli, Matt Barnes, last one, always a driving dish,
Darling Tolliver, Anthony.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Towards the end of his career, the Sixers.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Some man of these were at the end of their
career on both of these respective franchises. Yeah, the connection
is wrong. I mean, hey, the Warriors used to be
in Philly back in the day, way back. If we
want to dig into it, that'shere Will won his first title,
so uh, you know, the alliance remains strong.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
If you will, we'll catch you guys next week.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I think we've done my dancing today, so why don't
we dance Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
See the star side?

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Okay you are? I think they get