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Jeffrey Prather, former Global Chief of Operations for the Defense Intelligence Agency, joins the program to share his analysis of the deepening corruption crisis inside the FBI, DEA, and CIA. He explains why these agencies are now at a tipping point—and how the consequences will reshape the fabric of our country.
Follow Jeffrey Prather on his website at https://JeffreyPrather.com or see him weekly on the Prather Point – “Your Intelligence Officer” on Rumble at https://rumble.com/c/ThePratherPoint
Jeffrey Prather, former Global Chief of Operations for the Defense Intelligence Agency, joins the program to share his analysis of the deepening corruption crisis inside the FBI, DEA, and CIA. He explains why these agencies are now at a tipping point—and how the consequences will reshape the fabric of our country.
Follow Jeffrey Prather on his website at https://JeffreyPrather.com or see him weekly on the Prather Point – “Your Intelligence Officer” on Rumble at https://rumble.com/c/ThePratherPoint
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Their corruption makes them incompetent. And you really saw this
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watched the DEA degrade from a really kick ass organization
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senior agents were no longer mentoring younger agents on how
to get things done. We were just shunted to the side.
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(02:12):
so they became corrept.
Speaker 8 (02:13):
Welcome to Business Game Changers. I'm Sarah Westall. I have
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(02:34):
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But we go into present day what's going on in
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(02:54):
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to see more of our institutions crumble, and it's because
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that's what we're going to discuss today. And I don't
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(03:17):
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he answered some questions I had to and hopefully you
will get a little bit better appreciation for what we
are dealing with right now with my discussion with Jeffrey Rather. Hi, Jeffrey,
you welcome to the program.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Hey Sarah, good to see again.
Speaker 8 (06:04):
Okay, I spoke at your conference. I was really impressed
with the people that I was surrounded by. On your organization.
This will happen to be Team Iowa, but you have
an organization across the country that are doing some pretty
amazing things. But before we get into that, tell people
your background, who are you and how did you get
(06:25):
to this position?
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Well, first off, I guess I should say I'm a
product of rape. I was an orphan and then I
was adopted, so I'm blessed from the beginning. But I
was an Army military intelligence officer. I spent most of
my time in special operations and psychologic operations and special Forces.
My first big experience with COVID operations with the contrast,
(06:54):
and I remember having to after being in Panama, back
in a tunnel for about nine months, I had to
cut my hair, put on my Class a's and my
green bray and go sit behind the soak South the
Special Operations Command South Colonel who was talking to the
new incoming sink Commander in chief South com We don't
have them now, but we did, and the topic was
(07:16):
are we going to end up before Congress like Ali
North does did? And the answer was no. We were
doing everything that was legal. But of course Ali North
built the Clinton Cartel of death, of contrast cash cocaine
in the Iran Contra controversy. So that was my first
experience as a young captain with covert operations. Later on,
(07:42):
right before the Palmine invasion, I was recruited by the
Drug Enforcement Administration. There was a team of long haired
guys being trained by another Green Beray team, so I
went over to see them. I thought they were CIA.
They were DEA Special agents joining a special operation called
Operations Snowcap, which was retraining DEA Special Agents to go
(08:04):
with host nation military and police and do counter drug
operations in Central and South America against cocaine labs. So
I when I left active duty as a captain, I
was recruited into the Drug Enforcement Administration as a special agent,
which I graduated from the FBI Academy back in the
day before they had their own academy. I became a
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DEA firearm destructor because I'd been to special operations shooting schools.
Became a special operator Snowcap special Operator, and that was
my full time job. I still was in the reserves,
and while in the reserves, I was recruited into a
intelligence special mission unit called the Foreign Operations Group, which
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later on became another Tier one unit. But the important
point here is I was dual credentialed as a Defense
Intelligence Agency intelligence officer and a Drug Enforcement Administration special agent,
so I could do a lot of things legally under
one hat or the other inside the country Conas or
outside the country Oconis, and had a lot of visibility
(09:09):
because I had a DOJ top secret and a DoD
top secret. So I was in the military, the intelligence
and federal law enforcement simultaneously, and I was working. In
two thousand and one, I was working the extradition of
Miguel Katta Conteto, first of the Cinelogue cartel leaders to
(09:29):
be extradited. In two thousand and three, I was recalled
to active duty, and so my informant got neglected and
got fronted to the government of Mexico, and so he
tried to sue the administrator of the DEA, and that's
(09:50):
when there was a five million dollar State Department reward
for Miguel Cotta Cointeto. Miguel is the brother of Rafael
Raphael and Miguel tortured and murdered our age Kiki Kamrena.
It's a very famous incident. And so I was trying
to extradite the first of the cartel leaders, which was
a sea change back then, uh And as I tried
(10:13):
to do that, when I got active active activated to
active duty, my informant was fronted. The extradition package went
to the Mexican government revealed him, which is really a
death sentence, and so he tried to sue the administrator
of DEA for the five million dollar State Department reward.
(10:34):
So you know, I straightened that out. I went over
to DEA from the Pentagon. I had troops at the Pentagon.
I had troops various places units because I was running
the Global Operations Center for DA at the time. But
I said, hey, but you know, the administrator destroyed my
case because I was going to pay him ten thousand
(10:54):
dollars a month when Miguel was extradited when he was convicted.
So I had control of my informant, but I was
forced by her by Michelle Leonard, then administrator of the DEA,
to pay him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars at
a pop. So and the lifetime cap normally for a
DEA informant is two and fifty thousand dollars, which shows
(11:17):
you how that they're not really serious. But if you're
working really high level informants, then two und fifty thousand
dollars is not that much in the drug lord business.
So I was working on very high level informant. But
the point is them having me pay him off gave
him less incentive to come and testify, and so eventually
(11:38):
I realized that the DEA was stopping my case and
I eventually I said that. And I was also the
liaison agent to ATF ATF, a ATF group at DEA
Arizona was where fast and Furious started. So eventually, when
I was working with my ATF whistable or friends, I
(12:01):
figured out that not only was the ATF running gun south,
they ran almost three thousand guns south with no way
to trace them. So there's no chain of custody, which
means they can't be used in court ever, which means
they're just running guns to the bad guys. Well who
were they going to. Well, what I discovered was they
were going to the Cinela cartel and exchange the Cinela
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cartel got to run drugs north. And it turned out
that I made these accusations and so they came after me.
And after nineteen years on the job, without ever being charged,
without ever being convicted, but being slandered all over the internet,
I was fired one year from retirement. And I never
even had a bad evaluation, much less a charge or conviction.
(12:45):
But it turned out in court in federal court. In
the Diebla Zambada trial, DEA agents admitted under oath that
they did indeed have a deal with the Cineloa cartel.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
So you were telling me that true within new got
nailed for the truth, which is what.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yes, you got to pay for every good deed you do.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
It seems like, okay, I want to what you were
a Green Beret originally? Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I was a special so I did. I get to
go to the Q course, But I'm not officially a
Special Forces officer because I'm not Special Forces branch. The
year I got to go, they made it a branch,
so I never was team leader. But you know, I've
had the qualification, but I don't.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
All the training to be a Green Bray.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Yes, so that's your foundation. I just like to say,
because people don't realize that the Green Berets is essentially
like the Maybe Seals, or some people say they're better,
some people say they're worse. Right, I mean really right,
it's like the hot.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
They're actually much more versatile than the Seals. They can
do anything. They're amazing. I've had them on the show.
I've got a signed bottle from retired Charge Major Vince mckelay,
one of the horse soldiers that overthrew the Taliban government.
The Afghan War was won within weeks. The Seals Act
have a very problematic history. If you've been following any
(14:06):
of my stuff on John Chapman, how they lied about
John Chapman's Medal of Honor posthumanously and they've covered that up.
Sleavinski and the Chris Kyle lies is the Seals have
an institutional problem where the Special Forces Army special Forces
have performed for the most part, magnificently well.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
And that's why I've heard it. There's like, but from
the public perspective that the Navy Seals actually is more
known than the Green Beres.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
From the public, sure, oh yeah, certainly because s F
is quiet the Seals. Every Seal is talking and write
a book. But most of what they're saying is a lie.
Like the whole Loan survivor Latrell thing has now been
proven to be a lie. They lied about the whole thing,
that the Navy had him lie about the whole thing.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
That's too bad because that level of training and what
it takes to be a Green or a Navy Seal
or somebody like that. It is a special type of
person and it's too bad that they would come out
and be different than that. But regardless, I wanted to
point that out as your foundation to everything that you're
going into. And when you were in the d DEA ORDI,
(15:17):
de a d I. That's in my head from.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
All that I was in both DA and DI ia
Exampleton that's confusing, I know, no, but I was thinking.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
DEI like the political Yeah, so sorry people, but when
you were in that, you realize dea that the drug
trafficking and the human trafficking are the same networks. Did
you run into that?
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Now in my day, I saw very little human trafficking.
But you know, you got to remember I was fired
in two thousand and nine. I started in nineteen ninety.
But the same plazas, the same corridors that run the drugs,
or the same corridors that run the weapons and the
people and the children.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
That's right. And it's become more so in the last
fifteen years than it was back when you got out.
I heard that it's become that it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Oh yeah, it's much worse. Yeah, So you know, I
think from my point, from my personal anecdotal point of view,
I saw the CIA really developed their own black money
fund through you know, Barry Seal, who by the way,
was serving in Special Forces. That's not in the Tom
Cruise movie at all. And they just start running drugs
(16:31):
and you know, getting the drug money. And now that
is completely part of the intelligence community, which is the
deep state, which is the double government. And this gun
running or weapons running, drugs and people running is the
dark economy that goes flows through the diplomatic pouches that
(16:52):
we just saw openly blatantly done under Peto Joe.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Yeah, it's really sad. Okay, So I've had people on
talking about the Arizona government on the Cinemola cartel and
just completely intertwined into the economy, but not just Arizona,
but also a dozen couple dozen other states to the
point where they're afraid to dismantle the flow of money
(17:17):
in that in Arizona and other states because they think
it's so tied to the economy that the entire economy
would collapse if they stopped doing the drug trading. What
are your thoughts on those kinds of comments and perspectives.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Well, that's a syop, that's a lie. The economy wouldn't collapse.
That's what they want you to believe. But the Arizona
and Sonora, because Sonora is the Mexican state right below Arizona.
So I worked for a decade no Gallas Arizona on
the Sonora border. I did tons of cross border operations.
I did tunnels, I did aerials, I worked with some
(17:57):
of the Actually the most different dangerous stuff I ever
did was going cross border operations with the Mexican federalies.
But yes, the cartels have long totally owned the Mexican government,
the Mexican military, and now they own a lot of
American government, including a lot of Arizona officials and Team America.
(18:19):
Arizona was very much involved in election integrity. Although you
didn't see us because we do we operate on a
very low profile, but you actually saw us everywhere, but
you didn't know it was u US during Arizona election integrity.
But now the cartels are totally integrated, and a lot
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of times what they're doing is they're they're buying off
officials through real estate deals, giving them real cheap homes
and land, and then through that they also run drugs
that therese are stash houses, and I've hit so many
stash houses, you know. I was at a stash house
one time, former stash house, and I'm just with a
(19:02):
customs agent and she's saying, Hey, you know, we're going
to seize the house because you found dope and the
guys there. And he goes, you know, I don't really
understand what you're doing, but the dopes in the other room.
So I had to jump out, pull my weapon, and
because the whole other room was full of full of
marijuana bales. So it is Arizona is through noe Gallus,
(19:28):
one of the major transhipment points for people, weapons and drugs.
And the cartel owns all of those transhipment points and
owns all of the people in those transhipment points. That's
why Tusson's police department is down like eight hundred to
one thousand officers. They don't want any interference from law enforcement.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
It's kind of incredible right now they're pointing fingers at
the Communist you know, the communists infiltration or the Muslim infiltration,
which there are evidence of that. But where does the
cartel and this money supply coming in from weapons trades,
drug trades, Where does that cross over to this immigration
(20:08):
infiltration that we're seeing everywhere. And the communists, you know,
new communists politicians where years ago, I want to understand
where this combination is.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Years ago, when I was working South America, Peru, Bolivia,
there was the Sidero Luminoso. There was the Shiny Path
maoist gorillas in Peru. Nowist communist guerrillas in Peru trying
to bring about communism, but they ran out of money
and so they became narco terrorists. They became funded by
(20:42):
the cartels so that they could keep doing their movement.
So that's really what has happened is the cartels that
are more powerful than entire countries and certainly more powerful
than like the Drug Enforcement Administration by itself, and have
armies and have intelligence agencies that are just as capable,
if not more capable. So they just subsume these other movements.
(21:07):
And so that's what you'll see with communist movements, with
Islamic movements, is one of the major forces is the cartels.
And really that's what's going on with the government. Although
I do think I criticized President Trump quite a bit,
but I do think he is actually fighting finally the
(21:30):
cartel wars because in the past they were always trying
to do it as law enforcement and you cannot fight
soldiers with policemen. It will never work. And so we
always had incursions of Mexican soldiers and Mexican police, you know,
Blackhawks coming in Humby's coming in American shot and nothing happened.
(21:53):
It has to be nation state military against non nation
state paramilitary and that's finally what it is, which is good.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Well, so the deep state is funded by these cartel
activities and then they go and they fund the different
political movements that they think is going to be friendly
to their activities going forward. That's what we're seeing. And
so when we're seeing the communists infiltration, they're like a
legit I should say legit, but there's a legit political
(22:23):
movement who they think they like communism, but then they
go and infiltrate them and ensure that they get the
impositions of power so that they can support their activities.
And that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That's what we're seeing. But right now in Mexico, we're
seeing a legitimate resistance movement, you know, in Mexico City,
and I've worked Mexico City we're seeing, you know, massive
young people protesting and resisting and rioting against the cartels.
I think Matos was the mayor that was killed who
(22:54):
was actually going against the cartels. And so we shouldn't
be going for regime change in or on who is
never going to attack us. They might take some of
our people hostage or something, they're not going to attack us,
that's what Israel wants. But where we should be supporting
regime change, just supporting, not trying to run, but support
(23:16):
as in my old Special Forces Group. Seven Special Forces
Group had been down there recently is Mexico. Why because
there's an authentic indigenous resistance movement rising against the cartels,
and that's where we should have our if we had
a non corrop cia, which we don't. It's totally corrupted,
(23:38):
it's totally inside with the cartels running drugs. That's where
our effort should be. But that's where Army Special Forces
could do amazing things. If Green Brains can go over
to Afghanistan and overthrow a Taliban government within months, not
even speaking the language and jumping on horses, imagine what
seven Special Forces Group has a lot of Latin American
(23:59):
guys who speak Spanish like me. You know, could do
it in Mexico. We could make it.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
You just done, you just get it.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
We don't need to take it. We don't want to
take it over. There's two things above. Would can you
would take?
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Can you take it? The objective is the first question,
and then the second question is can you hold it?
So Mexico has been around a long time, a lot
of people have tried to take it over.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The French take over the country in Mexico. That's not
what I meant. Keep okay, just to be clear, because that's.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
We could support. We could support and foster regime change
from the communist president, President Shinbaum right now, who is
totally enthrall to the cartels. And we're doing two great
things that we're fighting communism and we're fighting the cartels,
and then we're empowering the Mexican people, who, by the way,
are great people. I have been all through Mexico, Guatemala
(24:53):
and Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Brazil and all those people. We
are family oriented, hard working, religious folks. The people are
great well.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
And freedom is what we want right. We want people
to direct their own lives, not have the situation well,
let's talk about Well, first of all, we have what
you're advocating is we have our hands full here people.
Why are we so voting all of our time to
somebody else's war, somebody else's problems when we have so
many problems here that we're not taking care of.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
No, and Mexico joins us. We do have a legitimate
interest in how Mexico goes one way or another. So
not Iran and certainly not Israel, but Mexico definitely.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yes, Well, I think Canada has almost more institutional problems
than Mexico does when it comes to like how they're
treating their people, you know, like their made program, and
I think they're really messed up. But that being said,
you can see the direct cartel presence with Mexico a
little easier. But how does that tie into NGOs and
(26:04):
you know kind of like what uh Doze uncovered and
the NGOs? How does this whole cartel presence tie into that?
And what's going on in Ukraine? Because the NGOs is
where so much money is being funneled. How do you
know what is that connection?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Well, you know, my my friend and fellow Special Forces
veteran Mike Yahn discovered the giant u n camp in
the Darien Uh where everybody was coming through. And it's
not just a couple of you know, families, you know,
finding their way up through the jungle. This is an
international UN sponsored operation with buses uh with uh you know,
(26:43):
credit cards, with cell phones, with maps, with rape kits
given out. Uh. So this is the international operation sponsored
by the UN sposal sponsored by their global cabal. Remember
cabal comes from the word kabba la, So we go
back to the Greater Israel concept there as well. And
(27:04):
that's how all of that ties in. So the deep
state or double government is the intelligence apparatus in each
country running the government from behind the scenes, the puppeteers
who are puppeting those who supposedly preside over us. And
then the cabal or the international deep state, and then
(27:25):
that also, So that's the Internet, that's the Five Eyes,
that's the Seven Eyes. But that's also Israel Masad, that's
also we F that's also the United Nations, all of
those working together. But even the worst cartels are the
big pharma cartels because those guys are gangsters in ties.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
They are they've legitimized crime, right, they make it so
it's legitimate, and then it's just it's never crime is
never legitimate. But they've jgitimized crime essentially, if it wasn't
more obvious during COVID and if anybody's ever had an
opportunity to experience what I did with the family member
who has cancer, it's absolutely incredible what you experience. Okay,
(28:15):
with that being said, I've have done enough research to
realize that there's factions of this cabal, and that there
is a new faction, if I will, the younger faction
that is trying to overthrow the older faction, and a
lot of and it's probably not just two factions, right,
I mean, let's be real, it's not usually that clean.
(28:36):
But it really seems like there's one faction fighting another faction.
They have a different way. They want to move forward
and they want to shed the old ways. But is
the new ways better? And am I even analyzing that properly?
Are you seeing two kind of factions fighting it out?
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Well? I don't see too. I see multiple factions, and
there's always constantly shifting alliances. As you know. One seal
commander in Afghanistan told me, there's good good guys, good
bad guys bad good guys and good guys and bad
bad guys, and that shifts dependent on the weekend, the
alliance at the time of what they can get out
(29:14):
of it. So it's it's quite complicated, I would agree
with that.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
And then you don't even know who the good guy
is and the bad guy is half the time. But
there is a power vacuum that I should say vacuum.
The global economy is shifting and it's an opportunity for
different factions that take power and they see that and
that's why we're seeing an increased amount of fighting. I
(29:39):
would imagine that fighting at the global level has always
been there, but it's increased now because they see this
as a unique opportunity.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Well, certainly, Smedley Butler, the World War One double recipient
of the Medal of Honor Marine general, said war is
a racket, you know, and he knew that because World
War One was totally set up for the elites. And
that's why you see so many bankruptcies right now, a
lot of real estate bankruptcies, a lot of corporate bankruptcies
(30:10):
that I would say would fit with your theory for
the younger generation of gangsters is going through the corporate
channels because they always want to legitimize themselves more and
more as possible.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
And do you think legitimizing is a positive? I mean,
my dad once told me the story, and he kind
of has some insight. He goes, in Chicago used to
be able to just bribe the gangsters and they could
get something done, and they actually cared about their local area,
even though they were awful, they actually cared, so you
could bribe and get some things done. Then the lawyers
(30:47):
took over and you couldn't bribe, but the same crap
was going on and ended up getting entrenched in the
system and it's harder to change things. And I thought
about that, like, is he correct or not?
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Yeah, I think he is true. If you look at
the old Godfather stuff, they're saying, hey, we aren't gonna
sell drugs, We're not gonna sell opium or something, or
we're not going to sell it to kids or something,
and you can see a decreasing morality such as there
is in criminal elements. We notice it in upright society
(31:23):
that we're sliding into more sin, but also the criminal
elements are sliding into more sin, and there's also less
and less standards. So now you know the US government
sells fresh, freshly killed baby fetuses, you know, and so
it's gotten, it gets worse on all levels. Yeah, I
agree with that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
But do you think that the systems around us are
collapsing because they're collapsing in and of themselves. Because when
you become so corrupt and you don't have rules and morals,
the system is like a host of cards, and we're
seeing it just collapse around us.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
No, totally, something I say all the time. Their corruption
makes them incompetent. And you really saw this under the
Pedo Joe administration, with bad photos, you know, and bad
superimposed images. And just because whether whether you're running the
informant or whether you're running the raid, there's an art formed.
(32:21):
You learn that over a lot of time. I can
tell you from personal experience. I watched the DEA degrade
from a really kick ass organization in the nineties into
just another bureaucratic organization where we senior agents were no
longer mentoring younger agents on how to get things done.
We were just shunted to the side. So the institutional
(32:42):
memory was destroyed, so the expertise was degraded, so they
became corrupt. So, for example, if I've had on my
friend Ed Morales, who's the hero of the Miami gunfight.
He was an FBI agent in the famous Miami gunfight.
So I'm any firearms instructor like me knows who he is.
He won the gunfight. He got shot in one arm
(33:02):
and then was one arm and with a shotgun. Very
famous in law enforcement and firearms circles. You know. But
you know, when we look at what the FBI does today,
you know, find some hapless Muslim team in America says
that you mad in America. Yeah, okay, you got any explosives, No,
we'll here's some fake explosives. You got a target, No,
(33:23):
well here's a target. Oh you got a plan? No,
well here's a plan. And they run this sham complete.
In my day and in Ed's day, this would be
called entrapment. You can't just do that. I would if
I was gonna sell you dope, I'd have to sell
your real dope. And then I'd have to take it off,
you know, because I can't be a drug dealer. I'd
have to have somebody stop you. Later on, you wouldn't
(33:47):
know it was me, But some sheriff's deputy or something,
you know, would run the canine when they stopped you
for a tail light out or something, and I'd get
the dope. Otherwise I'm a dope dealer. But now the
FBI just from start to finish runs in trapment schemes,
sham and trapman scheme. That's what January sixth was with
the pipe bomb, the.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Two hundred and sixty FBI agents or whatever.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah and so, and that's how incompetent they are now.
The only way, the only reason that they get away
with it is because they're the FBI. But their schemes
are ludicrous to anybody who knows what they're doing. If
you look at this stuff now, it's it's absurd. Anybody
could see what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
I call it the C team because even like they
didn't even they would be people who were on the
bench that even the C team didn't want yeah, because
it's yeah, I know, it's so bad.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, and D and DEI has really contributed to that too,
because again, if you were going to go against you know,
real criminals back in the day, there had to be
an element of kind of the LA confidential Knucker Dragger
kind of law enforcement. You know, guys in my day,
that's what DEA, you know, was it was mostly ex cops,
ex soldiers, you know, who had some expertise where the
(35:02):
FBI had already become you know, college students, you know
Ivy leaguers, you know. Uh and uh so they went
to their corruption. Well and how they got to their
corruption though, is because they their informants ended up running them.
I think, because if you're if you're running a high
level informant, if you're not careful, this is an informant.
(35:24):
So you go to school for this, you go to
the farm, or you go to Quantico. But they grew
up in the streets doing this to live. So if
you're not careful with a high level informant, they'll start
running you.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
That makes a lot of sense. And if you're not
a stute you know, and you just and don't you
think the pomp is behavior of coming down and not
seeing the expertise and the quality of somebody who might
not have an Ivy League education but are freaking good
and not being able to see past your arrogance is
(35:56):
part of the incompetence.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Oh that totally, yes, that happens all the time, you know.
And that's because the bosses and the se s you know,
or the you know, the ivy league. It's not the
guys who can you know, get things done. But I'll
give you a perfect example of how that could happen
is years ago, I was working a big money laundering
case and I borrowed an FBI informant and she was
(36:20):
a high level We called her the black widow, high
level cartel woman. I mean really dressed to you know,
tight you know, skin tight stuff, you know, the big hair,
a real character, you know. She she walked in undercover
one time and she walked right over to the FBI
guys undercover and say hey a because she knew that
(36:43):
the guys she was meeting would make them as FBI
so she then said, oh, no, I know them, you know.
So she actually saved them because they were too naive.
But the agent that was running her, because she wasn't
my informant I was borrowing informant, would drive up in
a car alone with her in the front seat. I
(37:05):
would never ever ride in a car in the front seat.
Now I've transported female prisoners where I had another car
behind me, you know, but they were in the seat
behind me. I started my starting mileage and my ending mileage,
and I got a car following me the whole time,
eyes on because what that that That informant female in
(37:26):
the informant seat could she could say I reached over
and grabbed her or something. She could say anything, and
then she owns me.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
So you have you cannot be naive? Yeah, I would
think that the rugged on the ground kind of thing,
that's so important. You know, my kids in the way
I raised my kids were nothing like getting involvement they
drug gangs and anything else. But I wanted them to
have some grit, you know, get in sports, get in
some hard stuff, and get a good education. No, have
(37:57):
the respect of the people who aren't at just who
are good. You don't necessarily have to have this fricking
education to recognize who's good. And I think we've completely
lost our way in that. That's the merit thing that
there are talking that language I think is really good.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
I don't think that means we don't get educated. It
just means that we recognize merit where merit is, and
it can come from all different directions, folks. It doesn't
necessarily have to be only the elite's way of going
to Oxford or whatever it is. That's bs and that's
the incompetence we're seeing because they that has taken over
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the mindset of these people.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
It is. But you know, the IVY League schools don't
educate so much as connect. All they're doing is connecting
the elite. Uh, you know, and college is fading, you know.
I mean I got two bachelors and masters, a couple
of other PhDs. My kids could use my gibil if
they want to go, but they don't necessarily have to go.
(39:00):
You know. My one daughter wants to be and you
know my kids, you've met my kids, you know, wants
to be a VET. You know, because college is such
a socialized worthless endeavor today and it's failing's.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
I think for the most part it is. I think
in some of the stem career degrees, if you get
the basic knowledge I think is important, just getting basic
training to understand the foundation of chemistry, you understand the
foundation of physics and mathematics, and the foundation of how
you design systems, you know, whatever it is. Degree, those
kinds of things have value, but it doesn't necessarily need
(39:36):
to be in an.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
IVY league, No, I totally agree.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah. Well, well, and the other thing that I think
is sad that is actually sad for me, this whole DEI.
I think there's a place for making sure and I
think you, as a minister, you'd see that all people
have value and that through history we have devalued people
based on artificial means and we don't get into true
(40:04):
merit is beautiful, and that we've devalued people from whatever
background or whatever they are. And the fact that they've
messed up DEI and actually now is turned into its
backfiring is actually sad for me because it is an
important endeavor to make sure that we look at merit
(40:24):
for what merit is, and they've screwed that up so
bad that it actually makes it worse now for a
lot of people.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Well, it's it's designed to do that because what it
says at the base is because you're a different gender
or you're a different color, you are inferior. Therefore we
have to help you up. And that's simply not true,
and it's been proven over and over well, and.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
That's the difference between saying, hey, it's not true. Our
goal is to get rid of our biases where we
think that's true, and that's bullshit versus defining it is
true and then giving you a step up when you
don't deserve it. It screws it all up.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And then you see the result of that. The result
is hostility because they know they haven't earned it. But
what you earned cannot be taken away. What you earn
has nothing to do with what you make. But what
you earned isn't given. It is earned and cannot be.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Taken well, and sometimes what you've earned can be you
can get beat up for it. Like you know, a
good deed never goes unpunished.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
Oh yeah, I'm very experienced in that.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
Area, very experienced in that area. Well, okay, let's give
the audience as we leave here because we're in the
thick of these informational psyops. Right it is so bad
right now? How can people identify it when they see it?
Because I know that's what you're an expert at and
what you work on the ground to counteract your organization.
(41:57):
And before we leave, I also want to give people
an idea of how they can get involved in maybe volunteer.
But how can people identify when Okay, I'm watching an
op in operation?
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Well, you have to have a straight line of truth.
You have to have some discernment. So now, as a
Christian chaplain and you know my chaplaincy is at christ
Chaplaincy dot com, the straight line of truth is Scripture
is the Holy Bible. It's not whether you like it
or not. It is truth. But if you judge everything
(42:31):
against a straight line, then you can see where there
are crooked lines. So for example, that is the ten
Mosaic Commandments, the two Christic Commandments. You know, I add
in the two Indigenous commandments, never harm children. Everything is
born of woman, especially as relevant and essential today. But
if you use if you just take the ten Mosaics,
(42:52):
the two Christics, the two Indigenous right there, you can
judge everything else very very easily against what's going on,
and that gives you a discernment, even if you aren't
a christ follower, and you're not even open to receiving
the Holy Spirit to get the fruit of the gift
(43:13):
of the Spirit, which is discernment, which then gives you
deliverance as well. But there's got to be a transcendent
value system. And America is founded on mosaic. I'm not
going to say judaic. I think that's a mistake. Mosaic
ten commandments too Christic, you know, love God with your
whole heart, mind and soul, love your neighbor as yourself.
(43:35):
And then the too indigenous I just mentioned, and that
then becomes your straight line for looking at everything else.
That's that's where I come from. And I don't know
that there is any other valid standard, and that if
you don't have that standard, then all of a sudden,
(43:55):
you know, abusing children is okay, or trafficking women is okay,
or having sex with animals is okay. There's got to
be a basic standard. I'd say Western culture dominates world
culture because it is Christendom, and it is Christendom because
(44:17):
of Christians, and it is Christian because of Christ and
so you have got to have that and recognize that
at source as a baseline.
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Let some people say that's also common law, just the
laws of the universe and truth. It's just it's truth
that And do you think that is something that people
inherently understand or they have to be taught it? And
I can't differentiate whether I understand it because I grew
up in that environment or if it's just something I
(44:50):
feel I know.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Well, so that's a great question. And if it is
our nature, because we are created creatures of the Creator.
And so when the Creator gives the ten Commandments to
Moshe to Moses, and then you know, brings about Yesua,
(45:13):
the Mashiah, Jesus the Christ for the two Christic commandments,
they're not like, you've got to do this, They're like,
this is what's best for you. You're going to if
you do these things, you're going to be better off,
You're going to be closer to God, you're going to
feel better, you're going to live better, everything's going to
be better. But the Satanic lie out there is, hey,
money's going to make you happy, Taking drugs is going
(45:34):
to make you happy, Drinking too much is going to
make you happy. When none of those ever work, none
of them have ever succeeded. But people fall for that,
you know, every day, because it's satanically sourced.
Speaker 8 (45:46):
Siah, Well, it's just the law of nature. It's truth.
It's something that is global and universal, that stands the
test of time, and it just like you said, just
makes you feel better.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Well, the laws of nature. You know, scientists used to
study the laws of nature so that they get better
understand you know God. That was the original idea is
natural laws come from divine law. Uh. And that's why
you see you know, creationism rising.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
And you know Darwinism is already dead. It's still taught,
but it's scientism. It's it's myth. You know, it doesn't work.
There's no been there's not been one transitional osteopanthesy at all.
You know, it doesn't it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
But I also got to throw in a line here
because I want to brag about Team America and Team
America Iowa here for a second, because you got to
you were at the Team Iowa event and you got
to see me give out some awards, which is very
rare that the public sees, you know, Team America. So
(46:56):
I just wanted to brag a little bit on Team
America to America Iowa and get your feedback on what
you saw and what you thought of them.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
I just thought there were absolutely great people. I couldn't
I couldn't stress enough how amazing they were. And there
we get to the universal truths and what it means
to be good people. And I don't know if good
is a good enough word, but you know, just how
they operate and they understand the truth and they live
(47:28):
by that and their passion and what they've strived to
do is to help the community become better in that
way and share their truth. And I was just so
impressed with the people I was surrounded by and the
efforts and the dedication to their communities that I saw.
It was very impressive.
Speaker 7 (47:50):
Thank you. I'm really proud of them. And that's just
one state. They're all over the place, but they're working
behind the scenes very quietly, as is my background and
intelligence and special operations. We're not, you know, out front,
but basically we're trying to be a beacon for other
like minded Americans to rely on each other in God
and not corrupt government. And then we're also trying to raise,
(48:13):
inspire and inoculate next generations to actually infiltrate these corrupt
deep state institutions and organizations to actually take back our
government in future generations. And that's quite a long, difficult mission.
But they they're very disciplined, they're very selfless, and you know,
most people will never see the majority of them or
(48:36):
see any of their work.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
And I also noticed that while there are some like
Republican types, I would say, it really transcends politics, like
it's really just what we need to operate and get
back to community and get back to what how we
want to be as people.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
No, we're not a Republican party. In fact, we're very
much aware of the uniparty. You know, we're very very
clear on that, and we are not that. Certainly in
some states like Iowa, like Oklahoma, we are supporting and
aligning with Republican Party members who are not rhinos, who
(49:15):
are not corrupt, but we're also willing to do that
with Democrats as well. But we really see very clearly
the uniparty.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Yeah, pretty interesting. And the other thing that I thought
was pretty interesting is the way that you talk to folks.
You don't pull any punches. I mean, when you present
yourself publicly here you're much more polished and not polished.
You're polished that way too, but you run it like
an operation and you don't pull any punches and say,
we're dealing with some hard situations here. We can't be naive,
(49:48):
we can't.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
That's very true. Is inside Team America, which only works
through proton mail and signal, it's an extremely professional operation.
Expect volunteers that are working really hard because it's not
people I've over the you know, it's been many years now.
In the early years I had I had to throw
a lot of people out and I was really hard
(50:11):
at them. I was like, hey, quit, I want you
to go. Uh. But now it's a very professional organization.
But it is very, very disciplined. They are operations, and
we have operations orders, we have concept of operations. Conops
are as professional as anything I've seen in special operations. Uh.
And d I a uh and certainly dea at all. No,
(50:35):
they're very because I I what I'm it is not
the prey through points. The prey through point is my
you know, public h facing uh effort where I'm trying
to give America the truth as an intelligence officer. Uh.
The Team America is the behind the scenes, hard workers
(50:55):
dedicating to rescuing the Republican And yeah, they they are
used to be in disciplined and it is. It's pretty
hard nosed. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
I thought that was well. I love that because in
the reality of the world, you see that in a
position like what we do or what I do, you
do something a little different than me. I don't even
want always claim I do something close to you. But
when what I do, you see so much hard stuff
that if you don't operate like that, you're going to
get completely walked on. You're going to lose.
Speaker 7 (51:31):
One of our major quotients for deciding whether a team
is operational, functional, conditional, or feral in a state, and
we have all of those is emotional maturity. Is because
you've got to have emotional resiliency. You've got to be
able to take criticism. You've got to be able to
(51:51):
be open minded. You know, I learned that in Special
Forces very young. You know, I got criticized by NCOs
all the time, you know, and I was an officer,
but they knew so much more than me. So that
emotional maturity, that quotient is very important. But if you
translate it spiritually, then it becomes are you loving well?
Are you loving God well? Are you loving your neighbor well?
(52:15):
And so Team America we're trying to love our neighbor
well and execute that through our low VIZ operations to
be a beacon to bring people together, and then also
to inspire and infiltrate and inoculate next generations to restore
(52:37):
what I call as our fallen republic.
Speaker 8 (52:39):
Don't we think that competence in itself, having a dedication
to being competent. What you do, no matter what it is,
is loving the people around you. If you go when
you do your job half passed and people are responsible
for what you do, that is the opposite of love.
If you go when you work your hardest and be
responsible for what it is that you're trying to get accomplished,
(53:02):
that is loving your neighbor.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
That is the opposite of love. Is not hate. The
opposite of love is apathy. And we especially see this
with you know, kids, you know, and I teach kids
martial arts mostly boys to kids, or martial arts to boys.
Uh is they want to be disciplined because discipline means
there are parameters. Parameters means they are protected. If if
(53:25):
they are protected, that means they are cherished. And so
when there are no boundaries, that means I don't care
what happens to you. You know, you're meaningless. But that
there are that there is discipline, and that there are
boundaries means that I care about you and I'm going
to put parameters around you to protect you because it's
(53:45):
my job to protect you.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
And the parameters are tighter when the dangers higher, and
the parameters are a little looser when you can mess
up and learn, but you still create those guidelines.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
Yes, exactly. Yeah, and you have to start young. You
can't start young. You can't do the opposite. You can
start young and ease up when they're older, but you
can't do the opposite. You can't go hard when they're older.
It's too late then. And that's what we see all
over unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
Okay, so where do they follow you and see more
of what you do?
Speaker 7 (54:19):
My pray Through points still going. I'm back on YouTube finally,
and it's Tuesdays and Thursdays at one pm Central Live,
and I talked to the audience on Rumble and X
and we have interactions. And my website is Jeffreypraythrough dot com.
My Chaplaincy site is christ Chaplaincy dot com. If you
(54:40):
want to join Team America, you go to jeffrepraithrough dot
com slash join Team America. It's right there.
Speaker 8 (54:47):
Thank you so much for joining the program. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (54:50):
Oh, thank you for having me, Sarah. It's been great.
Good to see again.
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Speaker 7 (01:30):
Their corruption makes them incompetent. And you really saw this
under the Pedo Joe administration with bad photos, you know,
and bad super imposed images and just because whether whether
you're running the informant or whether you're running the raid,
there's an art formed. You learn that over a lot
of time. I can tell you from personal experience. I
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watched the DEA degrade from a really kick ass organization
in the nineties into just another bureaucratic organization where we
senior agents were no longer mentoring younger agents on how
to get things done. We were just shunted to the side.
So the institutional memory was destroyed, so the expertise was degraded,
(02:12):
so they became corrept.
Speaker 8 (02:13):
Welcome to Business Game Changers. I'm Sarah Westall. I have
Major Jeffrey Prather coming to the program. He is a
whistle blower that has intelligence background, operation, very deep background
in intelligence and military background. He has Greenberry training, He's
worked with the d EA. He's going to give you
(02:34):
his background, but he also has his show, The Prather Point,
where he talks as an intelligence officer, giving you his insight.
But we go into present day what's going on in
the world, And I think I asked him questions you're
not going to hear elsewhere, because I just because I
(02:54):
know people want to know these things. You were going
to see more of our institutions crumble, and it's because
they're crumbling under the weight of their own corruption. And
that's what we're going to discuss today. And I don't
think it's something that we should all be fearful of,
but it is something that we need to understand so
that we can build it with better foundations and a
(03:17):
clearer mind as to what we're looking at. So with
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he answered some questions I had to and hopefully you
will get a little bit better appreciation for what we
are dealing with right now with my discussion with Jeffrey Rather. Hi, Jeffrey,
you welcome to the program.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
Hey Sarah, good to see again.
Speaker 8 (06:04):
Okay, I spoke at your conference. I was really impressed
with the people that I was surrounded by. On your organization.
This will happen to be Team Iowa, but you have
an organization across the country that are doing some pretty
amazing things. But before we get into that, tell people
your background, who are you and how did you get
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to this position?
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Well, first off, I guess I should say I'm a
product of rape. I was an orphan and then I
was adopted, so I'm blessed from the beginning. But I
was an Army military intelligence officer. I spent most of
my time in special operations and psychologic operations and special Forces.
My first big experience with COVID operations with the contrast,
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and I remember having to after being in Panama, back
in a tunnel for about nine months, I had to
cut my hair, put on my Class a's and my
green bray and go sit behind the soak South the
Special Operations Command South Colonel who was talking to the
new incoming sink Commander in chief South com We don't
have them now, but we did, and the topic was
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are we going to end up before Congress like Ali
North does did? And the answer was no. We were
doing everything that was legal. But of course Ali North
built the Clinton Cartel of death, of contrast cash cocaine
in the Iran Contra controversy. So that was my first
experience as a young captain with covert operations. Later on,
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right before the Palmine invasion, I was recruited by the
Drug Enforcement Administration. There was a team of long haired
guys being trained by another Green Beray team, so I
went over to see them. I thought they were CIA.
They were DEA Special agents joining a special operation called
Operations Snowcap, which was retraining DEA Special Agents to go
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with host nation military and police and do counter drug
operations in Central and South America against cocaine labs. So
I when I left active duty as a captain, I
was recruited into the Drug Enforcement Administration as a special agent,
which I graduated from the FBI Academy back in the
day before they had their own academy. I became a
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DEA firearm destructor because I'd been to special operations shooting schools.
Became a special operator Snowcap special Operator, and that was
my full time job. I still was in the reserves,
and while in the reserves, I was recruited into a
intelligence special mission unit called the Foreign Operations Group, which
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later on became another Tier one unit. But the important
point here is I was dual credentialed as a Defense
Intelligence Agency intelligence officer and a Drug Enforcement Administration special agent,
so I could do a lot of things legally under
one hat or the other inside the country Conas or
outside the country Oconis, and had a lot of visibility
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because I had a DOJ top secret and a DoD
top secret. So I was in the military, the intelligence
and federal law enforcement simultaneously, and I was working. In
two thousand and one, I was working the extradition of
Miguel Katta Conteto, first of the Cinelogue cartel leaders to
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be extradited. In two thousand and three, I was recalled
to active duty, and so my informant got neglected and
got fronted to the government of Mexico, and so he
tried to sue the administrator of the DEA, and that's
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when there was a five million dollar State Department reward
for Miguel Cotta Cointeto. Miguel is the brother of Rafael
Raphael and Miguel tortured and murdered our age Kiki Kamrena.
It's a very famous incident. And so I was trying
to extradite the first of the cartel leaders, which was
a sea change back then, uh And as I tried
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to do that, when I got active active activated to
active duty, my informant was fronted. The extradition package went
to the Mexican government revealed him, which is really a
death sentence, and so he tried to sue the administrator
of DEA for the five million dollar State Department reward.
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So you know, I straightened that out. I went over
to DEA from the Pentagon. I had troops at the Pentagon.
I had troops various places units because I was running
the Global Operations Center for DA at the time. But
I said, hey, but you know, the administrator destroyed my
case because I was going to pay him ten thousand
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dollars a month when Miguel was extradited when he was convicted.
So I had control of my informant, but I was
forced by her by Michelle Leonard, then administrator of the DEA,
to pay him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars at
a pop. So and the lifetime cap normally for a
DEA informant is two and fifty thousand dollars, which shows
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you how that they're not really serious. But if you're
working really high level informants, then two und fifty thousand
dollars is not that much in the drug lord business.
So I was working on very high level informant. But
the point is them having me pay him off gave
him less incentive to come and testify, and so eventually
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I realized that the DEA was stopping my case and
I eventually I said that. And I was also the
liaison agent to ATF ATF, a ATF group at DEA
Arizona was where fast and Furious started. So eventually, when
I was working with my ATF whistable or friends, I
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figured out that not only was the ATF running gun south,
they ran almost three thousand guns south with no way
to trace them. So there's no chain of custody, which
means they can't be used in court ever, which means
they're just running guns to the bad guys. Well who
were they going to. Well, what I discovered was they
were going to the Cinela cartel and exchange the Cinela
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cartel got to run drugs north. And it turned out
that I made these accusations and so they came after me.
And after nineteen years on the job, without ever being charged,
without ever being convicted, but being slandered all over the internet,
I was fired one year from retirement. And I never
even had a bad evaluation, much less a charge or conviction.
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But it turned out in court in federal court. In
the Diebla Zambada trial, DEA agents admitted under oath that
they did indeed have a deal with the Cineloa cartel.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
So you were telling me that true within new got
nailed for the truth, which is what.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Yes, you got to pay for every good deed you do.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
It seems like, okay, I want to what you were
a Green Beret originally? Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I was a special so I did. I get to
go to the Q course, But I'm not officially a
Special Forces officer because I'm not Special Forces branch. The
year I got to go, they made it a branch,
so I never was team leader. But you know, I've
had the qualification, but I don't.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
All the training to be a Green Bray.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Yes, so that's your foundation. I just like to say,
because people don't realize that the Green Berets is essentially
like the Maybe Seals, or some people say they're better,
some people say they're worse. Right, I mean really right,
it's like the hot.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
They're actually much more versatile than the Seals. They can
do anything. They're amazing. I've had them on the show.
I've got a signed bottle from retired Charge Major Vince mckelay,
one of the horse soldiers that overthrew the Taliban government.
The Afghan War was won within weeks. The Seals Act
have a very problematic history. If you've been following any
(14:06):
of my stuff on John Chapman, how they lied about
John Chapman's Medal of Honor posthumanously and they've covered that up.
Sleavinski and the Chris Kyle lies is the Seals have
an institutional problem where the Special Forces Army special Forces
have performed for the most part, magnificently well.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
And that's why I've heard it. There's like, but from
the public perspective that the Navy Seals actually is more
known than the Green Beres.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
From the public, sure, oh yeah, certainly because s F
is quiet the Seals. Every Seal is talking and write
a book. But most of what they're saying is a lie.
Like the whole Loan survivor Latrell thing has now been
proven to be a lie. They lied about the whole thing,
that the Navy had him lie about the whole thing.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
That's too bad because that level of training and what
it takes to be a Green or a Navy Seal
or somebody like that. It is a special type of
person and it's too bad that they would come out
and be different than that. But regardless, I wanted to
point that out as your foundation to everything that you're
going into. And when you were in the d DEA ORDI,
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de a d I. That's in my head from.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
All that I was in both DA and DI ia
Exampleton that's confusing, I know, no, but I was thinking.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
DEI like the political Yeah, so sorry people, but when
you were in that, you realize dea that the drug
trafficking and the human trafficking are the same networks. Did
you run into that?
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Now in my day, I saw very little human trafficking.
But you know, you got to remember I was fired
in two thousand and nine. I started in nineteen ninety.
But the same plazas, the same corridors that run the drugs,
or the same corridors that run the weapons and the
people and the children.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
That's right. And it's become more so in the last
fifteen years than it was back when you got out.
I heard that it's become that it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Oh yeah, it's much worse. Yeah, So you know, I
think from my point, from my personal anecdotal point of view,
I saw the CIA really developed their own black money
fund through you know, Barry Seal, who by the way,
was serving in Special Forces. That's not in the Tom
Cruise movie at all. And they just start running drugs
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and you know, getting the drug money. And now that
is completely part of the intelligence community, which is the
deep state, which is the double government. And this gun
running or weapons running, drugs and people running is the
dark economy that goes flows through the diplomatic pouches that
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we just saw openly blatantly done under Peto Joe.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
Yeah, it's really sad. Okay, So I've had people on
talking about the Arizona government on the Cinemola cartel and
just completely intertwined into the economy, but not just Arizona,
but also a dozen couple dozen other states to the
point where they're afraid to dismantle the flow of money
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in that in Arizona and other states because they think
it's so tied to the economy that the entire economy
would collapse if they stopped doing the drug trading. What
are your thoughts on those kinds of comments and perspectives.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Well, that's a syop, that's a lie. The economy wouldn't collapse.
That's what they want you to believe. But the Arizona
and Sonora, because Sonora is the Mexican state right below Arizona.
So I worked for a decade no Gallas Arizona on
the Sonora border. I did tons of cross border operations.
I did tunnels, I did aerials, I worked with some
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of the Actually the most different dangerous stuff I ever
did was going cross border operations with the Mexican federalies.
But yes, the cartels have long totally owned the Mexican government,
the Mexican military, and now they own a lot of
American government, including a lot of Arizona officials and Team America.
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Arizona was very much involved in election integrity. Although you
didn't see us because we do we operate on a
very low profile, but you actually saw us everywhere, but
you didn't know it was u US during Arizona election integrity.
But now the cartels are totally integrated, and a lot
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of times what they're doing is they're they're buying off
officials through real estate deals, giving them real cheap homes
and land, and then through that they also run drugs
that therese are stash houses, and I've hit so many
stash houses, you know. I was at a stash house
one time, former stash house, and I'm just with a
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customs agent and she's saying, Hey, you know, we're going
to seize the house because you found dope and the
guys there. And he goes, you know, I don't really
understand what you're doing, but the dopes in the other room.
So I had to jump out, pull my weapon, and
because the whole other room was full of full of
marijuana bales. So it is Arizona is through noe Gallus,
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one of the major transhipment points for people, weapons and drugs.
And the cartel owns all of those transhipment points and
owns all of the people in those transhipment points. That's
why Tusson's police department is down like eight hundred to
one thousand officers. They don't want any interference from law enforcement.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
It's kind of incredible right now they're pointing fingers at
the Communist you know, the communists infiltration or the Muslim infiltration,
which there are evidence of that. But where does the
cartel and this money supply coming in from weapons trades,
drug trades, Where does that cross over to this immigration
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infiltration that we're seeing everywhere. And the communists, you know,
new communists politicians where years ago, I want to understand
where this combination is.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Years ago, when I was working South America, Peru, Bolivia,
there was the Sidero Luminoso. There was the Shiny Path
maoist gorillas in Peru. Nowist communist guerrillas in Peru trying
to bring about communism, but they ran out of money
and so they became narco terrorists. They became funded by
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the cartels so that they could keep doing their movement.
So that's really what has happened is the cartels that
are more powerful than entire countries and certainly more powerful
than like the Drug Enforcement Administration by itself, and have
armies and have intelligence agencies that are just as capable,
if not more capable. So they just subsume these other movements.
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And so that's what you'll see with communist movements, with
Islamic movements, is one of the major forces is the cartels.
And really that's what's going on with the government. Although
I do think I criticized President Trump quite a bit,
but I do think he is actually fighting finally the
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cartel wars because in the past they were always trying
to do it as law enforcement and you cannot fight
soldiers with policemen. It will never work. And so we
always had incursions of Mexican soldiers and Mexican police, you know,
Blackhawks coming in Humby's coming in American shot and nothing happened.
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It has to be nation state military against non nation
state paramilitary and that's finally what it is, which is good.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Well, so the deep state is funded by these cartel
activities and then they go and they fund the different
political movements that they think is going to be friendly
to their activities going forward. That's what we're seeing. And
so when we're seeing the communists infiltration, they're like a
legit I should say legit, but there's a legit political
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movement who they think they like communism, but then they
go and infiltrate them and ensure that they get the
impositions of power so that they can support their activities.
And that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
That's what we're seeing. But right now in Mexico, we're
seeing a legitimate resistance movement, you know, in Mexico City,
and I've worked Mexico City we're seeing, you know, massive
young people protesting and resisting and rioting against the cartels.
I think Matos was the mayor that was killed who
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was actually going against the cartels. And so we shouldn't
be going for regime change in or on who is
never going to attack us. They might take some of
our people hostage or something, they're not going to attack us,
that's what Israel wants. But where we should be supporting
regime change, just supporting, not trying to run, but support
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as in my old Special Forces Group. Seven Special Forces
Group had been down there recently is Mexico. Why because
there's an authentic indigenous resistance movement rising against the cartels,
and that's where we should have our if we had
a non corrop cia, which we don't. It's totally corrupted,
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it's totally inside with the cartels running drugs. That's where
our effort should be. But that's where Army Special Forces
could do amazing things. If Green Brains can go over
to Afghanistan and overthrow a Taliban government within months, not
even speaking the language and jumping on horses, imagine what
seven Special Forces Group has a lot of Latin American
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guys who speak Spanish like me. You know, could do
it in Mexico. We could make it.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
You just done, you just get it.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
We don't need to take it. We don't want to
take it over. There's two things above. Would can you
would take?
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Go ahead?
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Can you take it? The objective is the first question,
and then the second question is can you hold it?
So Mexico has been around a long time, a lot
of people have tried to take it over.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The French take over the country in Mexico. That's not
what I meant. Keep okay, just to be clear, because that's.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
We could support. We could support and foster regime change
from the communist president, President Shinbaum right now, who is
totally enthrall to the cartels. And we're doing two great
things that we're fighting communism and we're fighting the cartels,
and then we're empowering the Mexican people, who, by the way,
are great people. I have been all through Mexico, Guatemala
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and Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Brazil and all those people. We
are family oriented, hard working, religious folks. The people are
great well.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
And freedom is what we want right. We want people
to direct their own lives, not have the situation well,
let's talk about Well, first of all, we have what
you're advocating is we have our hands full here people.
Why are we so voting all of our time to
somebody else's war, somebody else's problems when we have so
many problems here that we're not taking care of.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
No, and Mexico joins us. We do have a legitimate
interest in how Mexico goes one way or another. So
not Iran and certainly not Israel, but Mexico definitely.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Yes, Well, I think Canada has almost more institutional problems
than Mexico does when it comes to like how they're
treating their people, you know, like their made program, and
I think they're really messed up. But that being said,
you can see the direct cartel presence with Mexico a
little easier. But how does that tie into NGOs and
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you know kind of like what uh Doze uncovered and
the NGOs? How does this whole cartel presence tie into that?
And what's going on in Ukraine? Because the NGOs is
where so much money is being funneled. How do you
know what is that connection?
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Well, you know, my my friend and fellow Special Forces
veteran Mike Yahn discovered the giant u n camp in
the Darien Uh where everybody was coming through. And it's
not just a couple of you know, families, you know,
finding their way up through the jungle. This is an
international UN sponsored operation with buses uh with uh you know,
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credit cards, with cell phones, with maps, with rape kits
given out. Uh. So this is the international operation sponsored
by the UN sposal sponsored by their global cabal. Remember
cabal comes from the word kabba la, So we go
back to the Greater Israel concept there as well. And
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that's how all of that ties in. So the deep
state or double government is the intelligence apparatus in each
country running the government from behind the scenes, the puppeteers
who are puppeting those who supposedly preside over us. And
then the cabal or the international deep state, and then
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that also, So that's the Internet, that's the Five Eyes,
that's the Seven Eyes. But that's also Israel Masad, that's
also we F that's also the United Nations, all of
those working together. But even the worst cartels are the
big pharma cartels because those guys are gangsters in ties.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
They are they've legitimized crime, right, they make it so
it's legitimate, and then it's just it's never crime is
never legitimate. But they've jgitimized crime essentially, if it wasn't
more obvious during COVID and if anybody's ever had an
opportunity to experience what I did with the family member
who has cancer, it's absolutely incredible what you experience. Okay,
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with that being said, I've have done enough research to
realize that there's factions of this cabal, and that there
is a new faction, if I will, the younger faction
that is trying to overthrow the older faction, and a
lot of and it's probably not just two factions, right,
I mean, let's be real, it's not usually that clean.
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But it really seems like there's one faction fighting another faction.
They have a different way. They want to move forward
and they want to shed the old ways. But is
the new ways better? And am I even analyzing that properly?
Are you seeing two kind of factions fighting it out?
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Well? I don't see too. I see multiple factions, and
there's always constantly shifting alliances. As you know. One seal
commander in Afghanistan told me, there's good good guys, good
bad guys bad good guys and good guys and bad
bad guys, and that shifts dependent on the weekend, the
alliance at the time of what they can get out
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of it. So it's it's quite complicated, I would agree
with that.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
And then you don't even know who the good guy
is and the bad guy is half the time. But
there is a power vacuum that I should say vacuum.
The global economy is shifting and it's an opportunity for
different factions that take power and they see that and
that's why we're seeing an increased amount of fighting. I
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would imagine that fighting at the global level has always
been there, but it's increased now because they see this
as a unique opportunity.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Well, certainly, Smedley Butler, the World War One double recipient
of the Medal of Honor Marine general, said war is
a racket, you know, and he knew that because World
War One was totally set up for the elites. And
that's why you see so many bankruptcies right now, a
lot of real estate bankruptcies, a lot of corporate bankruptcies
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that I would say would fit with your theory for
the younger generation of gangsters is going through the corporate
channels because they always want to legitimize themselves more and
more as possible.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
And do you think legitimizing is a positive? I mean,
my dad once told me the story, and he kind
of has some insight. He goes, in Chicago used to
be able to just bribe the gangsters and they could
get something done, and they actually cared about their local area,
even though they were awful, they actually cared, so you
could bribe and get some things done. Then the lawyers
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took over and you couldn't bribe, but the same crap
was going on and ended up getting entrenched in the
system and it's harder to change things. And I thought
about that, like, is he correct or not?
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Yeah, I think he is true. If you look at
the old Godfather stuff, they're saying, hey, we aren't gonna
sell drugs, We're not gonna sell opium or something, or
we're not going to sell it to kids or something,
and you can see a decreasing morality such as there
is in criminal elements. We notice it in upright society
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that we're sliding into more sin, but also the criminal
elements are sliding into more sin, and there's also less
and less standards. So now you know the US government
sells fresh, freshly killed baby fetuses, you know, and so
it's gotten, it gets worse on all levels. Yeah, I
agree with that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
But do you think that the systems around us are
collapsing because they're collapsing in and of themselves. Because when
you become so corrupt and you don't have rules and morals,
the system is like a host of cards, and we're
seeing it just collapse around us.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
No, totally, something I say all the time. Their corruption
makes them incompetent. And you really saw this under the
Pedo Joe administration, with bad photos, you know, and bad
superimposed images. And just because whether whether you're running the
informant or whether you're running the raid, there's an art formed.
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You learn that over a lot of time. I can
tell you from personal experience. I watched the DEA degrade
from a really kick ass organization in the nineties into
just another bureaucratic organization where we senior agents were no
longer mentoring younger agents on how to get things done.
We were just shunted to the side. So the institutional
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memory was destroyed, so the expertise was degraded, so they
became corrupt. So, for example, if I've had on my
friend Ed Morales, who's the hero of the Miami gunfight.
He was an FBI agent in the famous Miami gunfight.
So I'm any firearms instructor like me knows who he is.
He won the gunfight. He got shot in one arm
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and then was one arm and with a shotgun. Very
famous in law enforcement and firearms circles. You know. But
you know, when we look at what the FBI does today,
you know, find some hapless Muslim team in America says
that you mad in America. Yeah, okay, you got any explosives, No,
we'll here's some fake explosives. You got a target, No,
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well here's a target. Oh you got a plan? No,
well here's a plan. And they run this sham complete.
In my day and in Ed's day, this would be
called entrapment. You can't just do that. I would if
I was gonna sell you dope, I'd have to sell
your real dope. And then I'd have to take it off,
you know, because I can't be a drug dealer. I'd
have to have somebody stop you. Later on, you wouldn't
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know it was me, But some sheriff's deputy or something,
you know, would run the canine when they stopped you
for a tail light out or something, and I'd get
the dope. Otherwise I'm a dope dealer. But now the
FBI just from start to finish runs in trapment schemes,
sham and trapman scheme. That's what January sixth was with
the pipe bomb, the.
Speaker 8 (34:05):
Two hundred and sixty FBI agents or whatever.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah and so, and that's how incompetent they are now.
The only way, the only reason that they get away
with it is because they're the FBI. But their schemes
are ludicrous to anybody who knows what they're doing. If
you look at this stuff now, it's it's absurd. Anybody
could see what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
I call it the C team because even like they
didn't even they would be people who were on the
bench that even the C team didn't want yeah, because
it's yeah, I know, it's so bad.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah, and D and DEI has really contributed to that too,
because again, if you were going to go against you know,
real criminals back in the day, there had to be
an element of kind of the LA confidential Knucker Dragger
kind of law enforcement. You know, guys in my day,
that's what DEA, you know, was it was mostly ex cops,
ex soldiers, you know, who had some expertise where the
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FBI had already become you know, college students, you know
Ivy leaguers, you know. Uh and uh so they went
to their corruption. Well and how they got to their
corruption though, is because they their informants ended up running them.
I think, because if you're if you're running a high
level informant, if you're not careful, this is an informant.
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So you go to school for this, you go to
the farm, or you go to Quantico. But they grew
up in the streets doing this to live. So if
you're not careful with a high level informant, they'll start
running you.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
That makes a lot of sense. And if you're not
a stute you know, and you just and don't you
think the pomp is behavior of coming down and not
seeing the expertise and the quality of somebody who might
not have an Ivy League education but are freaking good
and not being able to see past your arrogance is
(35:56):
part of the incompetence.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Oh that totally, yes, that happens all the time, you know.
And that's because the bosses and the se s you know,
or the you know, the ivy league. It's not the
guys who can you know, get things done. But I'll
give you a perfect example of how that could happen
is years ago, I was working a big money laundering
case and I borrowed an FBI informant and she was
(36:20):
a high level We called her the black widow, high
level cartel woman. I mean really dressed to you know,
tight you know, skin tight stuff, you know, the big hair,
a real character, you know. She she walked in undercover
one time and she walked right over to the FBI
guys undercover and say hey a because she knew that
(36:43):
the guys she was meeting would make them as FBI
so she then said, oh, no, I know them, you know.
So she actually saved them because they were too naive.
But the agent that was running her, because she wasn't
my informant I was borrowing informant, would drive up in
a car alone with her in the front seat. I
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would never ever ride in a car in the front seat.
Now I've transported female prisoners where I had another car
behind me, you know, but they were in the seat
behind me. I started my starting mileage and my ending mileage,
and I got a car following me the whole time,
eyes on because what that that That informant female in
(37:26):
the informant seat could she could say I reached over
and grabbed her or something. She could say anything, and
then she owns me.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
So you have you cannot be naive? Yeah, I would
think that the rugged on the ground kind of thing,
that's so important. You know, my kids in the way
I raised my kids were nothing like getting involvement they
drug gangs and anything else. But I wanted them to
have some grit, you know, get in sports, get in
some hard stuff, and get a good education. No, have
(37:57):
the respect of the people who aren't at just who
are good. You don't necessarily have to have this fricking
education to recognize who's good. And I think we've completely
lost our way in that. That's the merit thing that
there are talking that language I think is really good.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
I don't think that means we don't get educated. It
just means that we recognize merit where merit is, and
it can come from all different directions, folks. It doesn't
necessarily have to be only the elite's way of going
to Oxford or whatever it is. That's bs and that's
the incompetence we're seeing because they that has taken over
(38:37):
the mindset of these people.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
It is. But you know, the IVY League schools don't
educate so much as connect. All they're doing is connecting
the elite. Uh, you know, and college is fading, you know.
I mean I got two bachelors and masters, a couple
of other PhDs. My kids could use my gibil if
they want to go, but they don't necessarily have to go.
(39:00):
You know. My one daughter wants to be and you
know my kids, you've met my kids, you know, wants
to be a VET. You know, because college is such
a socialized worthless endeavor today and it's failing's.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
I think for the most part it is. I think
in some of the stem career degrees, if you get
the basic knowledge I think is important, just getting basic
training to understand the foundation of chemistry, you understand the
foundation of physics and mathematics, and the foundation of how
you design systems, you know, whatever it is. Degree, those
kinds of things have value, but it doesn't necessarily need
(39:36):
to be in an.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
IVY league, No, I totally agree.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah. Well, well, and the other thing that I think
is sad that is actually sad for me, this whole DEI.
I think there's a place for making sure and I
think you, as a minister, you'd see that all people
have value and that through history we have devalued people
based on artificial means and we don't get into true
(40:04):
merit is beautiful, and that we've devalued people from whatever
background or whatever they are. And the fact that they've
messed up DEI and actually now is turned into its
backfiring is actually sad for me because it is an
important endeavor to make sure that we look at merit
(40:24):
for what merit is, and they've screwed that up so
bad that it actually makes it worse now for a
lot of people.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Well, it's it's designed to do that because what it
says at the base is because you're a different gender
or you're a different color, you are inferior. Therefore we
have to help you up. And that's simply not true,
and it's been proven over and over well, and.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
That's the difference between saying, hey, it's not true. Our
goal is to get rid of our biases where we
think that's true, and that's bullshit versus defining it is
true and then giving you a step up when you
don't deserve it. It screws it all up.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
And then you see the result of that. The result
is hostility because they know they haven't earned it. But
what you earned cannot be taken away. What you earn
has nothing to do with what you make. But what
you earned isn't given. It is earned and cannot be.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Taken well, and sometimes what you've earned can be you
can get beat up for it. Like you know, a
good deed never goes unpunished.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
Oh yeah, I'm very experienced in that.
Speaker 8 (41:35):
Area, very experienced in that area. Well, okay, let's give
the audience as we leave here because we're in the
thick of these informational psyops. Right it is so bad
right now? How can people identify it when they see it?
Because I know that's what you're an expert at and
what you work on the ground to counteract your organization.
(41:57):
And before we leave, I also want to give people
an idea of how they can get involved in maybe volunteer.
But how can people identify when Okay, I'm watching an
op in operation?
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Well, you have to have a straight line of truth.
You have to have some discernment. So now, as a
Christian chaplain and you know my chaplaincy is at christ
Chaplaincy dot com, the straight line of truth is Scripture
is the Holy Bible. It's not whether you like it
or not. It is truth. But if you judge everything
(42:31):
against a straight line, then you can see where there
are crooked lines. So for example, that is the ten
Mosaic Commandments, the two Christic Commandments. You know, I add
in the two Indigenous commandments, never harm children. Everything is
born of woman, especially as relevant and essential today. But
if you use if you just take the ten Mosaics,
(42:52):
the two Christics, the two Indigenous right there, you can
judge everything else very very easily against what's going on,
and that gives you a discernment, even if you aren't
a christ follower, and you're not even open to receiving
the Holy Spirit to get the fruit of the gift
(43:13):
of the Spirit, which is discernment, which then gives you
deliverance as well. But there's got to be a transcendent
value system. And America is founded on mosaic. I'm not
going to say judaic. I think that's a mistake. Mosaic
ten commandments too Christic, you know, love God with your
whole heart, mind and soul, love your neighbor as yourself.
(43:35):
And then the too indigenous I just mentioned, and that
then becomes your straight line for looking at everything else.
That's that's where I come from. And I don't know
that there is any other valid standard, and that if
you don't have that standard, then all of a sudden,
(43:55):
you know, abusing children is okay, or trafficking women is okay,
or having sex with animals is okay. There's got to
be a basic standard. I'd say Western culture dominates world
culture because it is Christendom, and it is Christendom because
(44:17):
of Christians, and it is Christian because of Christ and
so you have got to have that and recognize that
at source as a baseline.
Speaker 8 (44:29):
Let some people say that's also common law, just the
laws of the universe and truth. It's just it's truth
that And do you think that is something that people
inherently understand or they have to be taught it? And
I can't differentiate whether I understand it because I grew
up in that environment or if it's just something I
(44:50):
feel I know.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Well, so that's a great question. And if it is
our nature, because we are created creatures of the Creator.
And so when the Creator gives the ten Commandments to
Moshe to Moses, and then you know, brings about Yesua,
(45:13):
the Mashiah, Jesus the Christ for the two Christic commandments,
they're not like, you've got to do this, They're like,
this is what's best for you. You're going to if
you do these things, you're going to be better off,
You're going to be closer to God, you're going to
feel better, you're going to live better, everything's going to
be better. But the Satanic lie out there is, hey,
money's going to make you happy, Taking drugs is going
(45:34):
to make you happy, Drinking too much is going to
make you happy. When none of those ever work, none
of them have ever succeeded. But people fall for that,
you know, every day, because it's satanically sourced.
Speaker 8 (45:46):
Siah, Well, it's just the law of nature. It's truth.
It's something that is global and universal, that stands the
test of time, and it just like you said, just
makes you feel better.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
Well, the laws of nature. You know, scientists used to
study the laws of nature so that they get better
understand you know God. That was the original idea is
natural laws come from divine law. Uh. And that's why
you see you know, creationism rising.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
And you know Darwinism is already dead. It's still taught,
but it's scientism. It's it's myth. You know, it doesn't work.
There's no been there's not been one transitional osteopanthesy at all.
You know, it doesn't it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
But I also got to throw in a line here
because I want to brag about Team America and Team
America Iowa here for a second, because you got to
you were at the Team Iowa event and you got
to see me give out some awards, which is very
rare that the public sees, you know, Team America. So
(46:56):
I just wanted to brag a little bit on Team
America to America Iowa and get your feedback on what
you saw and what you thought of them.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
I just thought there were absolutely great people. I couldn't
I couldn't stress enough how amazing they were. And there
we get to the universal truths and what it means
to be good people. And I don't know if good
is a good enough word, but you know, just how
they operate and they understand the truth and they live
(47:28):
by that and their passion and what they've strived to
do is to help the community become better in that
way and share their truth. And I was just so
impressed with the people I was surrounded by and the
efforts and the dedication to their communities that I saw.
It was very impressive.
Speaker 7 (47:50):
Thank you. I'm really proud of them. And that's just
one state. They're all over the place, but they're working
behind the scenes very quietly, as is my background and
intelligence and special operations. We're not, you know, out front,
but basically we're trying to be a beacon for other
like minded Americans to rely on each other in God
and not corrupt government. And then we're also trying to raise,
(48:13):
inspire and inoculate next generations to actually infiltrate these corrupt
deep state institutions and organizations to actually take back our
government in future generations. And that's quite a long, difficult mission.
But they they're very disciplined, they're very selfless, and you know,
most people will never see the majority of them or
(48:36):
see any of their work.
Speaker 8 (48:37):
And I also noticed that while there are some like
Republican types, I would say, it really transcends politics, like
it's really just what we need to operate and get
back to community and get back to what how we
want to be as people.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
No, we're not a Republican party. In fact, we're very
much aware of the uniparty. You know, we're very very
clear on that, and we are not that. Certainly in
some states like Iowa, like Oklahoma, we are supporting and
aligning with Republican Party members who are not rhinos, who
(49:15):
are not corrupt, but we're also willing to do that
with Democrats as well. But we really see very clearly
the uniparty.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Yeah, pretty interesting. And the other thing that I thought
was pretty interesting is the way that you talk to folks.
You don't pull any punches. I mean, when you present
yourself publicly here you're much more polished and not polished.
You're polished that way too, but you run it like
an operation and you don't pull any punches and say,
we're dealing with some hard situations here. We can't be naive,
(49:48):
we can't.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
That's very true. Is inside Team America, which only works
through proton mail and signal, it's an extremely professional operation.
Expect volunteers that are working really hard because it's not
people I've over the you know, it's been many years now.
In the early years I had I had to throw
a lot of people out and I was really hard
(50:11):
at them. I was like, hey, quit, I want you
to go. Uh. But now it's a very professional organization.
But it is very, very disciplined. They are operations, and
we have operations orders, we have concept of operations. Conops
are as professional as anything I've seen in special operations. Uh.
And d I a uh and certainly dea at all. No,
(50:35):
they're very because I I what I'm it is not
the prey through points. The prey through point is my
you know, public h facing uh effort where I'm trying
to give America the truth as an intelligence officer. Uh.
The Team America is the behind the scenes, hard workers
(50:55):
dedicating to rescuing the Republican And yeah, they they are
used to be in disciplined and it is. It's pretty
hard nosed. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
I thought that was well. I love that because in
the reality of the world, you see that in a
position like what we do or what I do, you
do something a little different than me. I don't even
want always claim I do something close to you. But
when what I do, you see so much hard stuff
that if you don't operate like that, you're going to
get completely walked on. You're going to lose.
Speaker 7 (51:31):
One of our major quotients for deciding whether a team
is operational, functional, conditional, or feral in a state, and
we have all of those is emotional maturity. Is because
you've got to have emotional resiliency. You've got to be
able to take criticism. You've got to be able to
(51:51):
be open minded. You know, I learned that in Special
Forces very young. You know, I got criticized by NCOs
all the time, you know, and I was an officer,
but they knew so much more than me. So that
emotional maturity, that quotient is very important. But if you
translate it spiritually, then it becomes are you loving well?
Are you loving God well? Are you loving your neighbor well?
(52:15):
And so Team America we're trying to love our neighbor
well and execute that through our low VIZ operations to
be a beacon to bring people together, and then also
to inspire and infiltrate and inoculate next generations to restore
(52:37):
what I call as our fallen republic.
Speaker 8 (52:39):
Don't we think that competence in itself, having a dedication
to being competent. What you do, no matter what it is,
is loving the people around you. If you go when
you do your job half passed and people are responsible
for what you do, that is the opposite of love.
If you go when you work your hardest and be
responsible for what it is that you're trying to get accomplished,
(53:02):
that is loving your neighbor.
Speaker 7 (53:04):
That is the opposite of love. Is not hate. The
opposite of love is apathy. And we especially see this
with you know, kids, you know, and I teach kids
martial arts mostly boys to kids, or martial arts to boys.
Uh is they want to be disciplined because discipline means
there are parameters. Parameters means they are protected. If if
(53:25):
they are protected, that means they are cherished. And so
when there are no boundaries, that means I don't care
what happens to you. You know, you're meaningless. But that
there are that there is discipline, and that there are
boundaries means that I care about you and I'm going
to put parameters around you to protect you because it's
(53:45):
my job to protect you.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
And the parameters are tighter when the dangers higher, and
the parameters are a little looser when you can mess
up and learn, but you still create those guidelines.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
Yes, exactly. Yeah, and you have to start young. You
can't start young. You can't do the opposite. You can
start young and ease up when they're older, but you
can't do the opposite. You can't go hard when they're older.
It's too late then. And that's what we see all
over unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
Okay, so where do they follow you and see more
of what you do?
Speaker 7 (54:19):
My pray Through points still going. I'm back on YouTube finally,
and it's Tuesdays and Thursdays at one pm Central Live,
and I talked to the audience on Rumble and X
and we have interactions. And my website is Jeffreypraythrough dot com.
My Chaplaincy site is christ Chaplaincy dot com. If you
(54:40):
want to join Team America, you go to jeffrepraithrough dot
com slash join Team America. It's right there.
Speaker 8 (54:47):
Thank you so much for joining the program. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (54:50):
Oh, thank you for having me, Sarah. It's been great.
Good to see again.
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