July 12, 2026 • 46 mins
Ever been told your labs are "normal:while your body insists otherwise? This episode dives into stories that prove why one number on a page rarely tells the whole truth. First, an 85-year-old tennis and pickleball player asks how to finally tackle urinary incontinence — and learns why it's treatable, not inevitable. Then, a longtime listener with a history of thyroid trouble and a suspicious nodule pushes back against being told everything's fine when it clearly isn't. Dr. Adam Brockman and Dr. Bob Martin break down what standard testing misses, what questions to ask your own doctor, and why advocating for yourself is sometimes the most important treatment of all.
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and the information is going to move even faster. Doctor Bob,
Welcome to the show. Good to have you in the
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studio day. How are you.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Great to be back and great to be able to
help our listenership?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
All right, all right, doctor Bob, So let's go ahead
and get into it. I've got a listener question sitting
in front of me that I think a lot of
our listeners are going to relate to, and they might
be dealing with it themselves, or they may know somebody
who is. So this listener question it's an email question
that comes from our website. It's from Dottie in Johnson City, Tennessee,
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and she asked, how can I treat urinary incontents? I've
listened to doctor Bob since the nineteen nineties. I'm eighty
five years old, in good physical condition, still playing tennis
and pickleball and working out. Thank you for any advice
to help with this issue. All right, doctor Bob. That
was Dottie in Johnson City, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
All Right, Dottie, thank you for making the effort to
send in your email. There are a lot of people
who are going to be listening to this, who are
relating to this and be able to take away the
information that we provide. Gosh, it almost feels like we've
grown up together, Dottie. You've been with this show. Now,
let's see Jeevez ten Ah, what sixteen years or something?
(04:31):
Sounds good, incredible. And that's the beauty of talk radio,
of course, is that we have this forum, this beautiful
forum where we can reach more people than we do
in our practices where it's one on one usually, and
that is empowering both to doctor Brockman and myself. And
that's exactly why this show exists is to try to
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serve as many people as we can in terms of
their health, because with your health you have everything. Without it,
you have nothing. So here we go, all right, Dottie,
This is a common question that comes up, and first
of all, we have to eliminate. And I'm certain that
if you're sending an email and this has been there
with you for a while, plaguing you, you've already checked
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in with your doctor and they may have run some
urinary tests on you to see if there's a urinary track,
infection or anything along the line that would require medical intervention,
like an extra bacterial growth something like that. Usually it's
not the case. As we get older and gravity has
its way with us, these things happen, and especially if
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you have had children, or there's been a history of
being overweight, or you're not exercising, And that sort of
leads me to the idea that a lot of urinary
incontinence where someone is unable to hold their urine, they
may spill urine or leak urine if they sneeze or cough,
or exert themselves or get up out of a chair.
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It's embarrassing and a lot of people end up, you know,
in the same diapers they started with when they were babies,
and that's kind of a bad thing. And they're worried
always about, you know, people smelling or picking up the
odors of urineonom I get all that, doctor Brockman, and
I understand it. However, there are ways to approach this
in a non medical way. And when I say that
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the medical intervention on this after the drugs don't work
is usually a surgical consultation and the eventuality of surgery,
which is an absolute disaster as it relates to urinary incontinence,
I suggest you'd not go down that path. In fact,
I've had many people that I met after they've had
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this surgery and they wish they had never ever done it,
and they would be glad to be back in the diapers.
In fact, most of them already are, and it's worse
than it was before. So what do we have. We
got to start with the basics. The bladder is innervated
by a nerve that comes through your spine, and if
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that nerve is being irritated or encroached or blocked from
either lumbar vertebrate number three all the way down to
the sacrum, your tailbone just above your tailbone, if any
of that is mechanically incorrect, or what we call subluxation,
which are minor misalignments, sometimes bigger that encroach the signaling
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from the brain to the bladder. And if that happens
because there's a vertebrae that's misaligned or your pelvic bones
are out of alignment, it can absolutely weaken the bladder
over time, and therefore you get the urinary in continence.
The other is just sheer gravity where you need to
retone the abdominal muscles and the bladder itself. I'm a
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big fan of starting somebody on a mini trampoline where
they jump up and down slightly, just up and down,
not real high, just up and down on their toes
and their heels on a trampoline with a little bit
of g force. That helps to tone up the muscles.
And also we like to put them on a slat
board and we have them then do what are called
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Cagle reflex maneuvers where they are on a slat board
kind of like the slat board we used to do
setups on in gym class, and you lie on the
slatboard and you kind of hold your your tummy in
and as low as you can, tucket on there and
you for thirty seconds or a minute, and then you
let go and you do sets of those keggling exercises.
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You can also kind of like pucker, pretend like you're
puckering your butt up on this slat board, and that
again tightens up the muscles that are responsible for holding
the bladder in place. I've seen some major turnarounds on
urinary and continents by using the very things that I'm
saying here. Lastly, try acupuncture. Acupuncture has also been successful
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for urinary in continents. Maybe the combination of chiropractic acupuncture,
the toning of the exercises that I just told you about,
and making sure there are no other obstacles in your
way like a urinary track infection.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, and doctor Bob, I want to build on those
pelvic floor exercises just a little bit more sometimes. Again,
if not familiar with these, I would suggest possibly looking
for somebody that's a specialist this and pelvic floor physical therapy.
You know, somebody that's trained in these in these exercises
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can teach you how to properly perform those key goal
exercise and strengthen the muscles that actually support the bladder.
So many many people are genuinely they're surprised at how
much improvement they see just after a few training sessions
and consistent training. So again, look at the lifestyle factors
in addition to limit those bladder irritants you know, caffeine, alcohol,
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carbonated beverages, artificial sweeteners. They all give that sense of
urgency and so so if you can remove some of those,
stay well hydrated, like doctor Bob said as well, and
since you're so active, I also encourage you to talk
with your healthcare provider to rule out other contributing factors
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like urinary tract infections, the pelvic uh the the organ prolapse,
medication side effects or or just the incomplete bladder empty empty.
And that's that's all things that are worth ruling out
before you before you settle in a treatment path. But
you know, from that integrative standpoint, what doctor Bob mentioned,
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the good news is, Dottie, that that the urinary incontinence
is often very treatable and you just don't, you know,
need to look for the right answer for yourself. So, Dottie,
my suggestion keeps swinning that racket and thank you for
the decades of being part of this show. We greatly
appreciate it. Doctor Bob, we got to take a short break.
When we come back, we're gonna get to more questions
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and we are back. Welcome back to health Talk America.
I'm doctor Adam Brockman, and we're glad you are with
us this hour. The phone lines are open and the
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basic and no concern too complex to bring to the table.
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the references. They're there when you need them. That's Healthtalkamerica
dot com. OKAYO, we have a question waiting, and I
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want to go ahead and get to it because it's
another important one and it's kind of kind of question
that it sounds simple on the surface, but it opens
a door into that conversation that a lot of people
need to have. So this question it comes from Lily
in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Hi, my name is Glory in from Theinix, Arizona, and
I was just wondering what prenicious anemia is.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Okay, and as Lily from Phoenix, doctor Bob, you want
to start with us I.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Do, Lily, thank you for calling into the program.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
If you want to listen to a show that we
do right there in Phoenix, it's a standalone show that's
outside of our nationwide show. You can tune in to
ktr FM k t A r FM right there in
Phoenix at ten am on Sunday and you can hear
the show for an hour along with, of course the
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three hour nationwide show we do on over two hundred
radio stations. All right, So, pernicious anemia, Lily, is an
autoimmune condition, which is really essentially what happens when your
immune system destroys or attacks your own healthy tissue in
search of whatever it is that's causing it. And sometimes
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these are infections. A lot of these autoimmune problems, like
rheumatoid arthritis loopus pernicious anemia, are driven by some low grade,
simmering chronic infection and your body's on a search and
destroyed mission to try to find the infection. But in
the process of doing that, it attacks areas that might
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be weak in your body, and in this case, it
could be attacking your stomach. It could be affecting the
way that you manage vitamin B twelve, which is really
something that happens with the pernicious and emia patients. The
stomach cells produce something called intrinsic factor, which is a
protein required to absorb vitamin B twelve. And while the
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underlying autoimmune condition you know once you can't necessarily find
it immediately, but you should continue to look. You have
to manage the B twelve deficiency because that's manageable from
a nutritional perspective. And I'm sure your doctors, if you're
under a doctor's guidance, they are already dealing with this.
But you can take vitamin B twelve shots. You can
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take sublingual type vitamin B twelve which are little tablets
that dissolve unto your mouth to keep your B twelve up.
And if you want to measure your B twelve, make
sure your doctor is not just running serum B twelve
that is completely inaccurate. You will not get an accurate
vitamin B twelve reading off of serum B twelve. It
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has to be a test called method melonic acid. Just
write down the letters of ITMA MMA. It stands for
methyl malonic acid is the most accurate way to measure
how the cells are receiving vitamin B twelve. You can
also do a homo sixteen test as well. That can
give you a good reading on it because if that's low,
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it's very likely that you're low in vitamin B twelve
and fol eate as well. But back to the audioimmune condition.
You are about maybe an hour two hours away from
a clinic that treats all autoimmune conditions very successfully, and
that clinic is called Holistic Care Clinic. Holistic Care Clinic
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and doctor Brockman, if you can give her the phone
number perhaps or the website address that she can access to,
because she can reach out to the doctors there and
they can do tests to find out if she has
an infection. In fact, they often find that people with
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pernicious and emi and lupus and rheumatar arthritis the infections
coming from their oral cavity. It's coming from an old
an old root canal, or some infection in the mouth
that their mds haven't even considered and that's what's causing
the immune system to go on attack. It's attacking. Unfortunately,
it attacks good tissue as well as going after the
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bad and then something gets destroyed. So, uh, doctor Brockman,
can you give the phone number or the website for
holistic clinics so that she can get a hold of
them and get down there.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, Hi lillly, and again thanks for your question. The
website is Holisticcare dot com. That's spelled h O l
I s t ic c are. That's Holisticcare dot com.
And the office phone number there is six' one nine
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three sixty five nine zero zero. Three that's six y
one nine three six five nine zero zero. Three it
got great staff. There Doctor botella is amazing at what he.
Does That's holisticcare dot. Com and Doctor, BOB i do
want to say a little bit build on what you,
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said and, again at its, core pernicious anemia is an autoimmune.
CONDITION i mean in that immune system and case of mistaken,
identity begins attacking the body's own. Tissue it specifically attacks
the cells line that stomach that produced that protein that
Doctor bob mentioned intrinsic factor and an intrinsic. Factor it's
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not a glamorous. Protein it does not get talked about
at dinner, parties but it is absolutely essential because without,
it your body cannot absorb that VITAMIN b twelve from
the food that you, eat AND b twelve it requires
that intrinsic factor as a as an escort if you,
will to make it through the wall of the small
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intestine and into your. Bloodstream so you destroy the cells
that make the intrinsic factor through an autoimmune, condition and
you destroy your ability to ABSORB b, twelve regardless of
how MUCH b twelve you are consuming in your diet
or through. Supplementation and then THE b twelve it's not,
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optional it's a fundamental to some of the most critical
processes in the human. Body you, KNOW i think Doctor
bob mentioned a few of. THESE a production of red blood,
cells the maintenance of the sheath that protects your nervous,
system the fibers of your nervous, system and the synthesis OF,
dna the proper function of your brain and central nervous.
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System so when THAT b twelve runs, low everything starts to.
Suffer and what you may have noticed the, symptoms they develop,
slowly often over, years and sometimes they're contributed to other.
Causes so the fatigue that doesn't result with rest or
weakness or, pale yellow, skin irregular, heartbeats shortness of. BREATH
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a lot of these of these things add. Up but
then you also have those neurological, symptoms the ones that
signal how serious this condition can can become if it's left.
Unaddressed that numbness and tingling the hands and, feets and
the difficulty with balance and, coordination so cognitive, decline all
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these are affected with pernicious. Anemia So, lily this is
what WHAT i, say and every, listener every patient want
them to. Understand these symptoms are are not just the
inconveniences of something like getting. Older there's signals and WHEN
b twelve deficiency is a, source they can be. Addressed
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so it's it's more common than most people. Realize it
tends to run in. Families you, know it purves more
frequently people over fifty and those Of Northern european descent
and individuals who already carry autoimmune conditions Like hashi motos
type one. Diabetes so if you have these, conditions you're
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already a little bit more at risk of. That so
again they natural health, perspective support your, gut address that
underlying inflammation and try to manage our co manage some
of those autoimmune triggers through anti inflammatory nutritional support and
when all else, fails look for a clinic like The
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Holistic Care clinic An tijuana for more. Health, so, FOLKS
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okay Doctor. Bob we have a voicemail question up, next
AND I i'll tell you another question that's going to
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resonate with a lot of. People this question comes From.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Sue, yes, HELLO i have a history of thyroid. Problems
my name Is. Sue they keep telling me, NOW i
was on medicine for thyroid hyperthyroidism for many years and
then they said it was normal for the last several.
Years BUT i still have all the. SYMPTOMS i have
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three nodules on my thyroid and one within the fourth
range for thyrads for suspicions for. Cancer and now they
say it's shrunk And i'm just getting the run. AROUND
i feel Like i'm just a LOVED i feel lou
every single. Day i've got all the symptoms of thyroid,
issues but they keep telling me my blood levels are.
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Normals MY tsh just went up last. WEEK i had
it done and it was three point five. Six and
it's JUST i just feel. Lousy everything is just everything is,
fine but it's. Not my name is still thank.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You, Okay, Sue thanks for your, call and it's it's
an important one AND i want to start by validating
something something right up. Front feeling awful while being told
that your your labs are. Fine and this is something
that we've discussed on the show often over the last
couple of. Months it's one of the more common and
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most frustrating experiences in all of, healthcare including including thyroid.
Care it happens to an enormous number of, people and
it doesn't mean that you're imagining your. Symptoms it usually
means the testing picture is. Incomplete so let's go ahead and.
Start you mentioned A tsh of three point five. Six, technically,
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yes that falls within the most labs andered reference, range
which typically run somewhere between point four and four point.
Five but within within range and optimal is two different,
things very very different. Things SO i want you to
know that within range and, OPTIMAL a great deal of
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research and clinical experience for myself in doctor box suggests
that many people start feeling symptoms once THAT tsh climbs
above roughly two point zero to two point, five especially
if they have a history of thyroid dysfunction Like sue
that you, mentioned and a number that technically is normal
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but sitting in the upper half of that. Range it
might be something that you have a documented thyroid history
with ongoing. Symptoms it deserves a closer look and not
some patch on the back and say see you next.
Year so here's the bigger issue, here T sh. Alone
it's a screening, tool it's not the whole. Story if
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your doctor is only checking THE, tsh you're just getting
to fraction of that. Picture what you really need is
a full. Panel And i'm talking about FREE t, four
FREE t, three and ideally REVERSE t, three along with
the thyroid, antibodies specifically THE tpo antibodies and the thyrolglobulin.
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Antibodies and given that you have a history of hyperthyroidism
that has apparently shifted over the, YEARS i also want
to know whether there's an autoimmune component at, play something
Like hashi motos Or graves, disease because autoimmune thyroid conditions
can swing between being overactive and underactive over, time and
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that can explain a lot of what you're, Describing. Sue
so it's worth asking these questions those blood, tests and
it's also worth a very direct. Question was the hyperthyroidism
treated with medication that suppresses thyroid function or was there
a procedure, involved whether that's radioactive iodine or a partial
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removal of the, thyroid because if the thyroid tissue was
reduced or, abladed it's entirely possible that you're drifting toward
the underactive side and that NORMAL tsh may not reflect
what's actually happening at the thyroid, level the cellular, level
in particularly that conversion OF t four to the ACTIVE
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t three. Hormone maybe it's not happening. Efficiently so that's
a conversion, problem and it's one of the most overlooked
pieces of thyroid. Care and it might absolutely make someone
feel like you, said, exhausted, foggy or, lousy even when
that standard panel looks. Unremarkable and Doctor, BOB i want
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to go ahead and get your opinion for the last
few minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Here, Okay, WELL i think thyroid hypothyroidism is pidemic In.
America it's often misdiagnosed or. Undiagnosed we know that certain
things interfere with thyroid. Function when a thyroid purse comes
into our, office we make sure that they're not using.
Caffeine caffeine interferes with the conversion OF t four TO t,
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three so no. Caffeine, also stop drinking fluoridated. Water fluorine
attaches to the thyroid and blocks the, hormone the active
hormone from getting into the thyroid. Glans so no TAPWATER
i would also. Avoid you might even get like a
shower filter on your. Shower you want to avoid chlorine
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exposure because chlorine same thing interferes with thyroid function in
those people who are, marginal who are right there at the,
line and they can't they can't allow any other. Interference,
now there's a quick way to actually measure your own
thyroid function using a, thermometer and you can look this
up on the. Internet it's called Doctor Broda barnes's temperature.
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Test and what you do is you take an oral,
thermometer you, know the kind that used to shake, down
not the, digital not the, digital and you put that
under your arm first thing in the, morning before you
get out of, bed before you start, stirring and you
measure that temperature under your arm in your axilla, area
and you write it. Down do that for seven. Days
you're looking for an average of between ninety seven point
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eight and ninety eight point. Two and if it's below
the ninety seven point eight reading on that, thermometer your
thyroid is Hypothyrot and you may need to work with
somebody from a nutritional perspective to find out if your new,
ostragwanda or iodine or tyrazine or, selenium these are all
things the body needs in order to make thyroid hormone
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that you may not be getting in your diet or
your supplement. Program find a functional medicine doctor because this
is so often misdiagnosed or untreated in a conventional medical.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Setting it's a great, Question. Sue and the bottom line
is feeling lousy every day is not something we want to.
Normalize and neither is a suspicious nodule that gets waved
away without some clear documentation with. It so push for
that full thyroid, panel you, know push for the antibody,
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testing you, know see a, specialist and don't stop asking
those questions until you get the answer that matches how you.
Feel and, So sue, again great. Question that's exactly the
kind of questions that we want more of you calling in.
About because if you're nodding alone right, now and you
think that's, me you are not far from. ALONE i
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they're writing for you. There, okay Doctor, bob we have
a email, question, uh AND i want to give, it
give it a little bit of time because it touches
again another condition that is significantly. Underdiagnosed it's it's frequently
(35:20):
misunderstood and living in the bodies of millions Of americans
who may not have a name for what they're. Experiencing
so this question comes From michelle In, Nixa, missouri and
she writes in and, asks how Does showgirns disease become
systemic versus just causing symptoms like dry eyes and dry?
(35:41):
Mouth and she asks is a genetic and SHOULD i
get my kids tested for?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Again that we're talking about showgirns and that is spelled
S J o G R e n apostrophe s. Disease, okay,
yeah as for our, listeners Doctor, bob so It's. Showgurns
i'll go ahead and you get started with this.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Right, well first of, All cholgrens is not. Genetic there
may be a weakness in the gene for autoimmune diseases
across the, board but it's not genetic and it's not
something you have to worry about in your. Children, however
this is where where medicine fails most of the, time
And i'm talking about conventional. Medicine what happens with conventional
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medicine when they approach a person with autoimmune, conditions they
have two things they can. Do they can either speed
things up or slow things. Down that's that's basically what it's.
About unless you speak to let's, say an infectious disease DOCTOR.
Md there's been always an ongoing war between the rheumatologists
and the infectious disease, mds and the war goes like.
(36:45):
This the rheumatologists who treat a lot of these autoimmune diseases,
rheumatoriya thry, as, scholgrins, lupus et. Cetera they try to
suppress the immune. System the immune system in an autoimmune
disease is over. Reactive it's high per responsive to. Something
they just don't know what that something, is and, frankly
(37:07):
they don't really care about that. Something all their goal
is and again this comes from experience, here not, everyone
but most of the, time their goal is to suppress.
It give that person predna, zone give them a methatrex,
state give them something to slow the immune system, down
and that, may in the absence of any other, answers
(37:29):
that may be, appropriate because if that immune system continues
to run at one hundred and twenty miles an hour
in a sixty five mile an hour, zone comparing it to,
automobiles it's something's going to, break something's gonna blow, up
something's going to. Happen so they do their best and
then they hope for the, best hoping that, somehow in
a miracle, way the body will right. Itself and it,
(37:50):
doesn't and usually the drugs end up taking the patient's
life before the disease, does as in the case of.
Chogrins So i'm not a fan of. This this is
an autoimmune. Disease it's a chronic inflammatory disease where it
attacks the moisture producing glands in the, body leading to dry,
eyes dry, mouth and the skin can become involved. Too
(38:10):
BUT i have found in my own practice for most autommune,
conditions including, shogrins that a plant based, diet when you
go on, that it can actually trigger a remission, response
which means you're basically lowering. Inflammation that's how it's. WORKING
a plant based diet that's not the Standard american, diet
(38:32):
by the, way the sad. Diet you got to get
away from that, foresure and add more of those Important
omega three fatty. Acids and you got to look for the.
INFECTION i, mean there's an infection, somewhere could be in
the oral, cavity could be in the, bowel could be
a parasitic, infection a yeast. Infection there's so many things
that it can. Be but that's why you got to
get to doctors who understand this know how to treat.
(38:53):
It we talked earlier in the Show Doctor brockman about
autoimmune disease with another person listening to the. Show we
recommend it holistic care. CLIENT i go there because they
know how to treat autoimmune conditions in a safe and
effective way without using imminosuppressive. Drugs but they have the
ability to use them when. Necessary they just stay away
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from it because they know it's frosting on burt, cake
it's painting over, termites it's a disaster waiting to. Happen
So holisticcare Dot com that's how you get to. Them
holisticcare Dot. Com they'll do a great. Job also with
people with autoimmune, conditions they need to have THEIR dha
sulfate tested in their blood. Stream they are universally low IN,
dha which is a hormone put out by the adrenal glands,
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that along with many of the other functional medicine and
holistic care things that are available for autoimmune, conditions almost
always outperforms allopathic mainstream.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Medicine and Doctor BOB i want to build on the
part of the question we asked about the children being.
Tested so there's no standardized screening protocol for children Of showgirn's.
Patients WHAT i would recommend is is basically that informed
awareness rather than some type of a clinical test unless
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your children are experienced some type of, symptoms and that's
it's very. Rare it does, occur and when it, does
it often presents with more systemic features at onset than adult.
Cases and so in the, meantime the most meaningful thing
you can do for your children long term autoimmune health
is the same thing that benefits every member of your.
(40:34):
Household that's an anti inflammatory nutritional, foundation that plant based,
diet adequate VITAMIN. D these are all important things to
pay attention, to that gut. Microbio, So, michelle you had
that layered, question and you deserve that that complete. ANSWER
i hope you got something out of the, Recommendations Doctor Bob,
DAVE i hope it gives you a clearer. Picture, FOLKS
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Great to be back and great to be able to
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All right, all right, doctor Bob, So let's go ahead
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in front of me that I think a lot of
our listeners are going to relate to, and they might
be dealing with it themselves, or they may know somebody
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that comes from our website. It's from Dottie in Johnson City, Tennessee,
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listened to doctor Bob since the nineteen nineties. I'm eighty
five years old, in good physical condition, still playing tennis
and pickleball and working out. Thank you for any advice
to help with this issue. All right, doctor Bob. That
was Dottie in Johnson City, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
All Right, Dottie, thank you for making the effort to
send in your email. There are a lot of people
who are going to be listening to this, who are
relating to this and be able to take away the
information that we provide. Gosh, it almost feels like we've
grown up together, Dottie. You've been with this show. Now,
let's see Jeevez ten Ah, what sixteen years or something?
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Sounds good, incredible. And that's the beauty of talk radio,
of course, is that we have this forum, this beautiful
forum where we can reach more people than we do
in our practices where it's one on one usually, and
that is empowering both to doctor Brockman and myself. And
that's exactly why this show exists is to try to
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you have nothing. So here we go, all right, Dottie,
This is a common question that comes up, and first
of all, we have to eliminate. And I'm certain that
if you're sending an email and this has been there
with you for a while, plaguing you, you've already checked
(05:13):
in with your doctor and they may have run some
urinary tests on you to see if there's a urinary track,
infection or anything along the line that would require medical intervention,
like an extra bacterial growth something like that. Usually it's
not the case. As we get older and gravity has
its way with us, these things happen, and especially if
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you have had children, or there's been a history of
being overweight, or you're not exercising, And that sort of
leads me to the idea that a lot of urinary
incontinence where someone is unable to hold their urine, they
may spill urine or leak urine if they sneeze or cough,
or exert themselves or get up out of a chair.
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It's embarrassing and a lot of people end up, you know,
in the same diapers they started with when they were babies,
and that's kind of a bad thing. And they're worried
always about, you know, people smelling or picking up the
odors of urineonom I get all that, doctor Brockman, and
I understand it. However, there are ways to approach this
in a non medical way. And when I say that
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the medical intervention on this after the drugs don't work
is usually a surgical consultation and the eventuality of surgery,
which is an absolute disaster as it relates to urinary incontinence,
I suggest you'd not go down that path. In fact,
I've had many people that I met after they've had
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this surgery and they wish they had never ever done it,
and they would be glad to be back in the diapers.
In fact, most of them already are, and it's worse
than it was before. So what do we have. We
got to start with the basics. The bladder is innervated
by a nerve that comes through your spine, and if
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that nerve is being irritated or encroached or blocked from
either lumbar vertebrate number three all the way down to
the sacrum, your tailbone just above your tailbone, if any
of that is mechanically incorrect, or what we call subluxation,
which are minor misalignments, sometimes bigger that encroach the signaling
(07:28):
from the brain to the bladder. And if that happens
because there's a vertebrae that's misaligned or your pelvic bones
are out of alignment, it can absolutely weaken the bladder
over time, and therefore you get the urinary in continence.
The other is just sheer gravity where you need to
retone the abdominal muscles and the bladder itself. I'm a
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big fan of starting somebody on a mini trampoline where
they jump up and down slightly, just up and down,
not real high, just up and down on their toes
and their heels on a trampoline with a little bit
of g force. That helps to tone up the muscles.
And also we like to put them on a slat
board and we have them then do what are called
(08:09):
Cagle reflex maneuvers where they are on a slat board
kind of like the slat board we used to do
setups on in gym class, and you lie on the
slatboard and you kind of hold your your tummy in
and as low as you can, tucket on there and
you for thirty seconds or a minute, and then you
let go and you do sets of those keggling exercises.
(08:32):
You can also kind of like pucker, pretend like you're
puckering your butt up on this slat board, and that
again tightens up the muscles that are responsible for holding
the bladder in place. I've seen some major turnarounds on
urinary and continents by using the very things that I'm
saying here. Lastly, try acupuncture. Acupuncture has also been successful
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for urinary in continents. Maybe the combination of chiropractic acupuncture,
the toning of the exercises that I just told you about,
and making sure there are no other obstacles in your
way like a urinary track infection.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, and doctor Bob, I want to build on those
pelvic floor exercises just a little bit more sometimes. Again,
if not familiar with these, I would suggest possibly looking
for somebody that's a specialist this and pelvic floor physical therapy.
You know, somebody that's trained in these in these exercises
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can teach you how to properly perform those key goal
exercise and strengthen the muscles that actually support the bladder.
So many many people are genuinely they're surprised at how
much improvement they see just after a few training sessions
and consistent training. So again, look at the lifestyle factors
in addition to limit those bladder irritants you know, caffeine, alcohol,
(09:50):
carbonated beverages, artificial sweeteners. They all give that sense of
urgency and so so if you can remove some of those,
stay well hydrated, like doctor Bob said as well, and
since you're so active, I also encourage you to talk
with your healthcare provider to rule out other contributing factors
(10:11):
like urinary tract infections, the pelvic uh the the organ prolapse,
medication side effects or or just the incomplete bladder empty empty.
And that's that's all things that are worth ruling out
before you before you settle in a treatment path. But
you know, from that integrative standpoint, what doctor Bob mentioned,
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the good news is, Dottie, that that the urinary incontinence
is often very treatable and you just don't, you know,
need to look for the right answer for yourself. So, Dottie,
my suggestion keeps swinning that racket and thank you for
the decades of being part of this show. We greatly
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another important one and it's kind of kind of question
that it sounds simple on the surface, but it opens
a door into that conversation that a lot of people
need to have. So this question it comes from Lily
in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Hi, my name is Glory in from Theinix, Arizona, and
I was just wondering what prenicious anemia is.
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Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Okay, and as Lily from Phoenix, doctor Bob, you want
to start with us I.
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Do, Lily, thank you for calling into the program.
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Uh.
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If you want to listen to a show that we
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three hour nationwide show we do on over two hundred
radio stations. All right, So, pernicious anemia, Lily, is an
autoimmune condition, which is really essentially what happens when your
immune system destroys or attacks your own healthy tissue in
search of whatever it is that's causing it. And sometimes
(14:28):
these are infections. A lot of these autoimmune problems, like
rheumatoid arthritis loopus pernicious anemia, are driven by some low grade,
simmering chronic infection and your body's on a search and
destroyed mission to try to find the infection. But in
the process of doing that, it attacks areas that might
(14:50):
be weak in your body, and in this case, it
could be attacking your stomach. It could be affecting the
way that you manage vitamin B twelve, which is really
something that happens with the pernicious and emia patients. The
stomach cells produce something called intrinsic factor, which is a
protein required to absorb vitamin B twelve. And while the
(15:13):
underlying autoimmune condition you know once you can't necessarily find
it immediately, but you should continue to look. You have
to manage the B twelve deficiency because that's manageable from
a nutritional perspective. And I'm sure your doctors, if you're
under a doctor's guidance, they are already dealing with this.
But you can take vitamin B twelve shots. You can
(15:37):
take sublingual type vitamin B twelve which are little tablets
that dissolve unto your mouth to keep your B twelve up.
And if you want to measure your B twelve, make
sure your doctor is not just running serum B twelve
that is completely inaccurate. You will not get an accurate
vitamin B twelve reading off of serum B twelve. It
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has to be a test called method melonic acid. Just
write down the letters of ITMA MMA. It stands for
methyl malonic acid is the most accurate way to measure
how the cells are receiving vitamin B twelve. You can
also do a homo sixteen test as well. That can
give you a good reading on it because if that's low,
(16:18):
it's very likely that you're low in vitamin B twelve
and fol eate as well. But back to the audioimmune condition.
You are about maybe an hour two hours away from
a clinic that treats all autoimmune conditions very successfully, and
that clinic is called Holistic Care Clinic. Holistic Care Clinic
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and doctor Brockman, if you can give her the phone
number perhaps or the website address that she can access to,
because she can reach out to the doctors there and
they can do tests to find out if she has
an infection. In fact, they often find that people with
(17:02):
pernicious and emi and lupus and rheumatar arthritis the infections
coming from their oral cavity. It's coming from an old
an old root canal, or some infection in the mouth
that their mds haven't even considered and that's what's causing
the immune system to go on attack. It's attacking. Unfortunately,
it attacks good tissue as well as going after the
(17:23):
bad and then something gets destroyed. So, uh, doctor Brockman,
can you give the phone number or the website for
holistic clinics so that she can get a hold of
them and get down there.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, Hi lillly, and again thanks for your question. The
website is Holisticcare dot com. That's spelled h O l
I s t ic c are. That's Holisticcare dot com.
And the office phone number there is six' one nine
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three sixty five nine zero zero. Three that's six y
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got great staff. There Doctor botella is amazing at what he.
Does That's holisticcare dot. Com and Doctor, BOB i do
want to say a little bit build on what you,
(18:16):
said and, again at its, core pernicious anemia is an autoimmune.
CONDITION i mean in that immune system and case of mistaken,
identity begins attacking the body's own. Tissue it specifically attacks
the cells line that stomach that produced that protein that
Doctor bob mentioned intrinsic factor and an intrinsic. Factor it's
(18:37):
not a glamorous. Protein it does not get talked about
at dinner, parties but it is absolutely essential because without,
it your body cannot absorb that VITAMIN b twelve from
the food that you, eat AND b twelve it requires
that intrinsic factor as a as an escort if you,
will to make it through the wall of the small
(18:59):
intestine and into your. Bloodstream so you destroy the cells
that make the intrinsic factor through an autoimmune, condition and
you destroy your ability to ABSORB b, twelve regardless of
how MUCH b twelve you are consuming in your diet
or through. Supplementation and then THE b twelve it's not,
(19:21):
optional it's a fundamental to some of the most critical
processes in the human. Body you, KNOW i think Doctor
bob mentioned a few of. THESE a production of red blood,
cells the maintenance of the sheath that protects your nervous,
system the fibers of your nervous, system and the synthesis OF,
dna the proper function of your brain and central nervous.
(19:43):
System so when THAT b twelve runs, low everything starts to.
Suffer and what you may have noticed the, symptoms they develop,
slowly often over, years and sometimes they're contributed to other.
Causes so the fatigue that doesn't result with rest or
weakness or, pale yellow, skin irregular, heartbeats shortness of. BREATH
(20:08):
a lot of these of these things add. Up but
then you also have those neurological, symptoms the ones that
signal how serious this condition can can become if it's left.
Unaddressed that numbness and tingling the hands and, feets and
the difficulty with balance and, coordination so cognitive, decline all
(20:30):
these are affected with pernicious. Anemia So, lily this is
what WHAT i, say and every, listener every patient want
them to. Understand these symptoms are are not just the
inconveniences of something like getting. Older there's signals and WHEN
b twelve deficiency is a, source they can be. Addressed
(20:52):
so it's it's more common than most people. Realize it
tends to run in. Families you, know it purves more
frequently people over fifty and those Of Northern european descent
and individuals who already carry autoimmune conditions Like hashi motos
type one. Diabetes so if you have these, conditions you're
(21:12):
already a little bit more at risk of. That so
again they natural health, perspective support your, gut address that
underlying inflammation and try to manage our co manage some
of those autoimmune triggers through anti inflammatory nutritional support and
when all else, fails look for a clinic like The
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Us this Is Health Talk. America i'm Doctor Adam. Brockman
i'm glad to have you with us for another round
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okay Doctor. Bob we have a voicemail question up, next
AND I i'll tell you another question that's going to
(23:01):
resonate with a lot of. People this question comes From.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Sue, yes, HELLO i have a history of thyroid. Problems
my name Is. Sue they keep telling me, NOW i
was on medicine for thyroid hyperthyroidism for many years and
then they said it was normal for the last several.
Years BUT i still have all the. SYMPTOMS i have
(23:27):
three nodules on my thyroid and one within the fourth
range for thyrads for suspicions for. Cancer and now they
say it's shrunk And i'm just getting the run. AROUND
i feel Like i'm just a LOVED i feel lou
every single. Day i've got all the symptoms of thyroid,
issues but they keep telling me my blood levels are.
(23:50):
Normals MY tsh just went up last. WEEK i had
it done and it was three point five. Six and
it's JUST i just feel. Lousy everything is just everything is,
fine but it's. Not my name is still thank.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You, Okay, Sue thanks for your, call and it's it's
an important one AND i want to start by validating
something something right up. Front feeling awful while being told
that your your labs are. Fine and this is something
that we've discussed on the show often over the last
couple of. Months it's one of the more common and
(24:32):
most frustrating experiences in all of, healthcare including including thyroid.
Care it happens to an enormous number of, people and
it doesn't mean that you're imagining your. Symptoms it usually
means the testing picture is. Incomplete so let's go ahead and.
Start you mentioned A tsh of three point five. Six, technically,
(24:56):
yes that falls within the most labs andered reference, range
which typically run somewhere between point four and four point.
Five but within within range and optimal is two different,
things very very different. Things SO i want you to
know that within range and, OPTIMAL a great deal of
(25:17):
research and clinical experience for myself in doctor box suggests
that many people start feeling symptoms once THAT tsh climbs
above roughly two point zero to two point, five especially
if they have a history of thyroid dysfunction Like sue
that you, mentioned and a number that technically is normal
(25:40):
but sitting in the upper half of that. Range it
might be something that you have a documented thyroid history
with ongoing. Symptoms it deserves a closer look and not
some patch on the back and say see you next.
Year so here's the bigger issue, here T sh. Alone
it's a screening, tool it's not the whole. Story if
(26:01):
your doctor is only checking THE, tsh you're just getting
to fraction of that. Picture what you really need is
a full. Panel And i'm talking about FREE t, four
FREE t, three and ideally REVERSE t, three along with
the thyroid, antibodies specifically THE tpo antibodies and the thyrolglobulin.
(26:23):
Antibodies and given that you have a history of hyperthyroidism
that has apparently shifted over the, YEARS i also want
to know whether there's an autoimmune component at, play something
Like hashi motos Or graves, disease because autoimmune thyroid conditions
can swing between being overactive and underactive over, time and
(26:45):
that can explain a lot of what you're, Describing. Sue
so it's worth asking these questions those blood, tests and
it's also worth a very direct. Question was the hyperthyroidism
treated with medication that suppresses thyroid function or was there
a procedure, involved whether that's radioactive iodine or a partial
(27:09):
removal of the, thyroid because if the thyroid tissue was
reduced or, abladed it's entirely possible that you're drifting toward
the underactive side and that NORMAL tsh may not reflect
what's actually happening at the thyroid, level the cellular, level
in particularly that conversion OF t four to the ACTIVE
(27:32):
t three. Hormone maybe it's not happening. Efficiently so that's
a conversion, problem and it's one of the most overlooked
pieces of thyroid. Care and it might absolutely make someone
feel like you, said, exhausted, foggy or, lousy even when
that standard panel looks. Unremarkable and Doctor, BOB i want
(27:52):
to go ahead and get your opinion for the last
few minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Here, Okay, WELL i think thyroid hypothyroidism is pidemic In.
America it's often misdiagnosed or. Undiagnosed we know that certain
things interfere with thyroid. Function when a thyroid purse comes
into our, office we make sure that they're not using.
Caffeine caffeine interferes with the conversion OF t four TO t,
(28:18):
three so no. Caffeine, also stop drinking fluoridated. Water fluorine
attaches to the thyroid and blocks the, hormone the active
hormone from getting into the thyroid. Glans so no TAPWATER
i would also. Avoid you might even get like a
shower filter on your. Shower you want to avoid chlorine
(28:39):
exposure because chlorine same thing interferes with thyroid function in
those people who are, marginal who are right there at the,
line and they can't they can't allow any other. Interference,
now there's a quick way to actually measure your own
thyroid function using a, thermometer and you can look this
up on the. Internet it's called Doctor Broda barnes's temperature.
(29:01):
Test and what you do is you take an oral,
thermometer you, know the kind that used to shake, down
not the, digital not the, digital and you put that
under your arm first thing in the, morning before you
get out of, bed before you start, stirring and you
measure that temperature under your arm in your axilla, area
and you write it. Down do that for seven. Days
you're looking for an average of between ninety seven point
(29:23):
eight and ninety eight point. Two and if it's below
the ninety seven point eight reading on that, thermometer your
thyroid is Hypothyrot and you may need to work with
somebody from a nutritional perspective to find out if your new,
ostragwanda or iodine or tyrazine or, selenium these are all
things the body needs in order to make thyroid hormone
(29:44):
that you may not be getting in your diet or
your supplement. Program find a functional medicine doctor because this
is so often misdiagnosed or untreated in a conventional medical.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Setting it's a great, Question. Sue and the bottom line
is feeling lousy every day is not something we want to.
Normalize and neither is a suspicious nodule that gets waved
away without some clear documentation with. It so push for
that full thyroid, panel you, know push for the antibody,
(30:19):
testing you, know see a, specialist and don't stop asking
those questions until you get the answer that matches how you.
Feel and, So sue, again great. Question that's exactly the
kind of questions that we want more of you calling in.
About because if you're nodding alone right, now and you
think that's, me you are not far from. ALONE i
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they're writing for you. There, okay Doctor, bob we have
a email, question, uh AND i want to give, it
give it a little bit of time because it touches
again another condition that is significantly. Underdiagnosed it's it's frequently
(35:20):
misunderstood and living in the bodies of millions Of americans
who may not have a name for what they're. Experiencing
so this question comes From michelle In, Nixa, missouri and
she writes in and, asks how Does showgirns disease become
systemic versus just causing symptoms like dry eyes and dry?
(35:41):
Mouth and she asks is a genetic and SHOULD i
get my kids tested for?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Again that we're talking about showgirns and that is spelled
S J o G R e n apostrophe s. Disease, okay,
yeah as for our, listeners Doctor, bob so It's. Showgurns
i'll go ahead and you get started with this.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Right, well first of, All cholgrens is not. Genetic there
may be a weakness in the gene for autoimmune diseases
across the, board but it's not genetic and it's not
something you have to worry about in your. Children, however
this is where where medicine fails most of the, time
And i'm talking about conventional. Medicine what happens with conventional
(36:22):
medicine when they approach a person with autoimmune, conditions they
have two things they can. Do they can either speed
things up or slow things. Down that's that's basically what it's.
About unless you speak to let's, say an infectious disease DOCTOR.
Md there's been always an ongoing war between the rheumatologists
and the infectious disease, mds and the war goes like.
(36:45):
This the rheumatologists who treat a lot of these autoimmune diseases,
rheumatoriya thry, as, scholgrins, lupus et. Cetera they try to
suppress the immune. System the immune system in an autoimmune
disease is over. Reactive it's high per responsive to. Something
they just don't know what that something, is and, frankly
(37:07):
they don't really care about that. Something all their goal
is and again this comes from experience, here not, everyone
but most of the, time their goal is to suppress.
It give that person predna, zone give them a methatrex,
state give them something to slow the immune system, down
and that, may in the absence of any other, answers
(37:29):
that may be, appropriate because if that immune system continues
to run at one hundred and twenty miles an hour
in a sixty five mile an hour, zone comparing it to,
automobiles it's something's going to, break something's gonna blow, up
something's going to. Happen so they do their best and
then they hope for the, best hoping that, somehow in
a miracle, way the body will right. Itself and it,
(37:50):
doesn't and usually the drugs end up taking the patient's
life before the disease, does as in the case of.
Chogrins So i'm not a fan of. This this is
an autoimmune. Disease it's a chronic inflammatory disease where it
attacks the moisture producing glands in the, body leading to dry,
eyes dry, mouth and the skin can become involved. Too
(38:10):
BUT i have found in my own practice for most autommune,
conditions including, shogrins that a plant based, diet when you
go on, that it can actually trigger a remission, response
which means you're basically lowering. Inflammation that's how it's. WORKING
a plant based diet that's not the Standard american, diet
(38:32):
by the, way the sad. Diet you got to get
away from that, foresure and add more of those Important
omega three fatty. Acids and you got to look for the.
INFECTION i, mean there's an infection, somewhere could be in
the oral, cavity could be in the, bowel could be
a parasitic, infection a yeast. Infection there's so many things
that it can. Be but that's why you got to
get to doctors who understand this know how to treat.
(38:53):
It we talked earlier in the Show Doctor brockman about
autoimmune disease with another person listening to the. Show we
recommend it holistic care. CLIENT i go there because they
know how to treat autoimmune conditions in a safe and
effective way without using imminosuppressive. Drugs but they have the
ability to use them when. Necessary they just stay away
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from it because they know it's frosting on burt, cake
it's painting over, termites it's a disaster waiting to. Happen
So holisticcare Dot com that's how you get to. Them
holisticcare Dot. Com they'll do a great. Job also with
people with autoimmune, conditions they need to have THEIR dha
sulfate tested in their blood. Stream they are universally low IN,
dha which is a hormone put out by the adrenal glands,
(39:37):
that along with many of the other functional medicine and
holistic care things that are available for autoimmune, conditions almost
always outperforms allopathic mainstream.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Medicine and Doctor BOB i want to build on the
part of the question we asked about the children being.
Tested so there's no standardized screening protocol for children Of showgirn's.
Patients WHAT i would recommend is is basically that informed
awareness rather than some type of a clinical test unless
(40:12):
your children are experienced some type of, symptoms and that's
it's very. Rare it does, occur and when it, does
it often presents with more systemic features at onset than adult.
Cases and so in the, meantime the most meaningful thing
you can do for your children long term autoimmune health
is the same thing that benefits every member of your.
(40:34):
Household that's an anti inflammatory nutritional, foundation that plant based,
diet adequate VITAMIN. D these are all important things to
pay attention, to that gut. Microbio, So, michelle you had
that layered, question and you deserve that that complete. ANSWER
i hope you got something out of the, Recommendations Doctor Bob,
DAVE i hope it gives you a clearer. Picture, FOLKS
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What's wrong? Within what's wrong? Within what's wrong?
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Continent, well that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Brings us to another end of this hour together On
Hell Talk, america AND i want to say what a
great run of questions we got into. Today we talked
about in, contents thyroid, mysteries the whole. Gamut this is
exactly why we do this on the show and exactly
why so many of you keep showing up a week after.
(42:44):
Week but BEFORE i let you, GO i want to
say thank you to everyone who's who's called in, today
who's emailed or sent sent in a message this. Hour
your questions are the entire engine of this. Program do
you bring us these, real, lived sometimes messy health situations
that you're dealing, with and that's what makes this show worth.
(43:05):
Doing and we and Doctor bob AND i we love doing.
It so to everyone who took the time to reach out,
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the next time that we're on air. Together, now BEFORE
i close things, OUT i want to hand the mike
over to my co host for a few final. Thoughts
Doctor bob go ahead and take it, away.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
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Week WELL i could have said it better, myself Doctor
bob into all of you. Listening that's really the heart of.
It your health is your, responsibility but you don't have
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For so until next, time take care of, yourselves take
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