July 19, 2026 • 46 mins
Dr. Adam Brockman sits down with functional medicine and wellness-tech expert Dr. Dave Heitmann to unpack a landmark shift in cardiovascular care — from a $10 billion acquisition reshaping the wearable- tech landscape to an FDA-cleared wrist device tracking your heart's every beat and movement in real time. They break down what continuous cardiac monitoring actually means for the "normal lab lie" how AI is reshaping who interprets your health data, and what it could mean for the millions of Americans one heartbeat away from a warning sign they'd otherwise never catch in time.
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Hello, Hello, and welcome to Health Talk America. I'm doctor
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be a fun one. I've got a guess that's joining
us later. But first, let's talk about something that affects
more of you listening right now than almost any other
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is your heart.
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Heart disease remains the single leading cause of death in
this country. Every thirty something seconds someone in America dies
from cardiovascular disease, and every forty seconds someone has a
heart attack. Those aren't abstract statistics. Those are our nay,
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our coworkers, our family members, and people who, in a
meaningful percentage of cases, had no idea anything was wrong
until the moment it became an emergency. And that's the
piece of this puzzle that has always frustrated me the
most as a clinician. So much of cardiovascular disease develops silently,
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you know, the blood pressure creeps up, the arterial plaque
builds up quietly, and heart rhythm they come and they
go without ever being caught on a routine checkup, because
a routine checkup only captures a single snapshot in time,
and that's fifteen minutes in an office once or twice
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a year, while your heart works around the clock every
single day, all year long, and for most of medical history,
that gap between how continuously your heart actually functions and
how rarely we act actually check on it has simply
been an accepted limitation. You wait for the symptoms, you
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wait for the schedule. In EKG, you waited often until
something had already gone wrong. And that gap is closing.
It's closing fast. And that's exactly the story I want
to set you up for.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Today.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We are living through what I believe is one of
the most significant shifts in preventative cardiology in decades, and
that is the rise of consumer wearable technology that doesn't
just count your steps or track your sleep, but actually
monitors your heart's electrical activity. And it does this continuously
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right there on your wrist. Here's what's remarkable about where
this technology is landed. We've moved well past the novelty
phase of fitness trackers guessing at your heart rate during
the jog. We now have wearable devices that have received
FDA clearance, meaning they've been cleared and they cleared a
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real regulatory bar for accuracy and clinical usefulness, specifically for
detecting things like a fib and irregular heart rhythms and
other cardiovascular events using onboard electro cardiogram sensors that are
sophisticated enough to flag patterns that use to require a
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visit to the cardiologist office, And the pace of investment
tells you everything about where this is headed. Major technology
and healthcare companies are pouring resources into the space. They're
acquiring smaller cardiac wearable innovators, they're integrating AI driven analysis
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into the data these devices collect, and they are racing
to bring continuous cardiac monitoring to the mainstream and at
a consumer price point. What that means practically, is this
that technology that used to be available only to patients
already flagged as high risk, already inside the healthcare system,
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undergoing this formal monitoring. The same category of detection is
opening up to potentially millions of everyday people, many of
whom have no idea that they're at risk. Intel a
wearable on their risk catches something their body hadn't yet
announced through symptoms. But I want to be clear about
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something a wearable it's not a replacement for your physician,
and it's not a diagnosis machine. These devices they're screening tools.
They're powerful ones, and they're increasingly accurate ones, but tools
that are meant to flag something worth A real conversation
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with a real doctor not deliver a verdict on their own.
The research on smartwatch based ECG machines the electric cardiograph
the detection shows real sensitivity for catching something like a FIB,
but it also shows real limitations. You know, short episodes
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can be missed, the results can be inconclusive and con
you know you need to confirm the testing, and that
still matters more than anything. But even with those caveats
front and center, I don't want to understate how big
this shift is. For decades, the biggest challenge in preventive
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cardiology has been access in frequency. Most people, they simply
are not getting their heart rhythm checked often enough to
catch problems early because the symptom wasn't built for continuous data.
Wearables solve exactly that access problem. They put a low
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level screening tool on millions of risks that are already
being worn anyway for entirely different reasons, and quietly start
collecting exactly the kind of data that used to require
scheduled appointment and also specialized equipment. That is not a
small thing. According to the most recent national statistics, nearly
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forty percent of cardiovascular disease cases are considered preventable through
the kind of early intervention and lifestyle changes that we
talk about often on the show, and that depends entirely
on catching.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
A problem before becomes a crisis.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Early detection isn't just a nice feature, it's the entire
ballgame when it comes to prevention. So today I want
to set the stage for exactly this conversation because I
have a guest joined me who lives and breathes this
intersection of wearable technology, you know, the biomarkers in the
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everyday practical health strategy, and someone who translates all of
this cutting edge data into something you can actually use.
And that starts today. So we're going to be talking
about why and what this new wave of cardiac wearables
really means to you, what to actually do if your
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All right, so I want you to stick around.
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Our guest is coming up next, and this is a
conversation about your heart that you do not want to miss.
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longer flying solo. Joining me now is a guest I'm
excited to sit down with again on the show. It's
doctor David Heytman. He's a functional medicine doctor and with
more than two decades a clinical experience, he translates wearables, biomarkers,
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With that onecome doctor David Heyman. Back to health talk America.
How you doing today, doctor David?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You'reat excited to be back here?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Great?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Great, great, It's great to have you here again. So
let's let's start with the headline that that got my attention.
I said, hey, doctor Dave, you want to come back
and talk about this. This is don Her They the company, huge,
huge company, just dropped nearly ten billion dollars to acquire Massimo.
And around that same window, a cardio Sense got FDA
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clearance for a risk warn devised the tracks ecg hemo
dynamics in cardiac mechanisms, all simultaneously. So, doctor Dave, you've
been working with wearables and AI driven health data for years.
Is this that moment where wearable health finally goes from
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a fun gadget to standard of care?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It is? Yeah, So so many big players got into
the market this past year and it's finally hitting it
as a reality. People are believing it now that we
can actually help people at a whole different level rather
than just their step count. And so we're moving well
beyond just the wellness industry. We're moving into the FDA
cleared the medical insight aspects, where especially in cardiovascular problems,
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this is hitting home for me right now. My mom
a couple of weeks ago was having shortness of breath
and she went in and turns out she needed an
immediate stent to save her life, and wearables could have
helped predict that a little bit sooner. And so this
is a huge pivotal moment for everyone that I'm getting
goosebumps just thinking about it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, it's a great spot to be and I believe
we're at that inflection point. And it's not very subtle anymore.
For you know, from the last decade, we got these
wearables that have lived in that gray zone if you
was so, you know, used for motivation, it was. It
was what I would consider terrible for real clinical decision making.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yell, there's way too much data. Yeah, people, The doctors
didn't know what to do with it. The physicians didn't
know how to interpret it. And now AI has really
helped do all that. It's like a constant nurse watching
the data flow come in and be able to take
control of Hey, this is a problem. This is a problem.
This is a problem. Ding ding ding. Let your doctor
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know here, get in, get your butt into the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Now, yeah, yeah, I think that's the difference now is
that debt depth of the signal. We're not talking about
a device that's estimating your heart rate from a basically
this green led bouncing light off your wrist, right, We're
talking about really that almost a cardiogram type of data.
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It's actual mechanical movement of the heart that's captured continuously,
and it's outside a hospital. So when a huge company
like you know, companies like these are getting involved, which
you know one of them lives in that diagnostic in
the life science space, and not necessarily consumer gadget's a
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you know, putting ten billion plus dollars behind the space.
It's not not a not just you know, marketing bet anymore.
That's say, that's an infrastructure bet.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So there was even a big surgical company that's even
how far this is getting as a surgical company bought
the distribution rights for a heart rate monitor, for a
continuous monitor and to be able to distribute through the US.
So the big, big companies are jumping on board all
at once, and it's like a landslide of diagnostic change
that everyone's going to have immediate access to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, and I'll and I'll add this you know.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Sticking with the cardovascular system, the biggest barrier to preventive
cardiology has never never been in knowledge. It's that frequency
of data. We know what causes heart disease.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
We've what we've.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Been lacking in is a way to catch it early
and often enough. Like you mentioned, you know, with your
with your mom and people who you know might be
already flagged as high risk. But that's the first real
crack in the wall.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
In this Yeah, exactly. And it's like I like to
use the analogy of you know, how your car starts
clunking around and when you bring it to the mechanic
it doesn't clunk, and they're like, we can't figure out
what's going on with it. If you had a continuous
monitor on that car, you would be able to be like, hey,
this is when this event happened. And that's what the
cardiovascular system has always been about. Is we go in
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for this heavy one time of year stress test maybe
even if that and it shows maybe something, but not.
Now we finally have a way that when it's at
three o'clock in the morning and you have a heart
arrhythmia and you wake up in a panic, like we
actually have the ability to monitor what happened at that
time and be able to relay that information to your doc.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's important.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, you know, doctor Davi, but most most people think
a smart watch telling him, telling you know, him or
her that their heart rate is enough. But you know,
cardio tag is capturing that that cardiogram type of data,
that actual that that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mechanical movement of the heart.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So what's what do you feel as the gap between
what consumers think they're they're getting and what clinicians they
actually need to make the decisions.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, So it's really the data stream that no one
has and the general population has been able to pay
attention to before, and they don't need to. And that's
the beauty of it is that this data flows to
clinicians right away, and the AIS in the background that
are monitoring this can easily bring up, you know, the
week's worth, the two weeks worth of data, and instead
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of having a clinician sit there for hours on end
trying to interpret it, an AI system will like literally
use a highlighter and say this is an abnormal data point,
look at me. And so it'll be a beautiful situation
where the clinicians will have this data easy access, and
I'm imagining in a near future where we just go
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where the stuff for two weeks every year as part
of our preventative medicine component.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, and now I guess where the gap is. Obviously
it's closing the consumer. Consumer often sees a number, so
let's say heart rate, a readiness score. It assumes that
the number equals medical insight. But yeah, clinicians, yeah, yeah,
clinicians need need waveforms and in the time and the
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timing intervals and trends like you said, over over weeks
and even months correlated with the symptoms, and also context
behind that.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
When when I work with people, it's like we can
look at generalized heart rate, and we can look at
resting heart rate and a few of those metrics, and
we can compare in a graph of where percentage wise
for your age group and your gender and those of things,
where you should be and where you could go from
an optimization standpoint. But no, means that's more of a
lifestyle coaching component. This is so drastically different of the
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data that's coming through these devices versus the regular garments
and whoops and those sorts of things. It's a whole
next level of being able to grab the data to
be able to make a meaningful interpretation around diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, and I think you know, a single data point
means almost nothing. So we're talking about the trends that
are captured continuously, whether they need to be looked at
by a clinician or you bring them bring that data.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It means everything.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
The technology in the devices, you know, cardio tag, it's
closing that gap because it's capturing multiple signals. It signal types,
you know, the electrical activity, the motion, the blood flow timing,
all these all these things that you know a cardiologist
needs to see, wants to see, and it's it's making
it into something that is monitored, just not that fifteen
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minutes when you're in the office. And that's that's that's
so important. I think that matters most for our listeners.
Don't don't confuse these wellness metrics, like like you were
talking about with a diagnosis and a diagnostic one. If
a watches telling you, you know, your stress score is elevated,
that's an interesting context. If a clinically validated the red
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flags irregular heart rhythm, you know, if that's pattern is
consistent that's something to bring to your doctor. So that's
a more I want to get onto this, doctor David,
but we do got to take a short break at folks.
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a lot more with doctor David Heyman. Stay with us
Help Talk America. We'll be right back, all right back
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with more on Healthtalk America. Doctor Adam Brockman here still
deep in conversation with doctor David Hetman about the new
era of cardiac wearables. So doctor David, let's go ahead and
keep this going. We've been talking a lot on the
show about what I.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Call the normal lab lie.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's where patients feel terrible but they get told that
their blood work is just fine. So a wearable, a
risk wearable that tracks the cardiac function, you know, twenty
four to seven. It seems like the ultimate antidote to
that normal lab lie. So how does this continuous data
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change the game for someone who's been told everything looks
normal while they're still struggling with say fatigue, or shortness
of breath, or or even chess discomfort.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, there's so many. This is a great topic and
I love this is. In the diabetic realm, it's the
same way, right, we can have a diabetic a hypoglycemic
spike in the middle of the night and not know it,
and we lose sleep and we don't even feel that.
So our regular wearables are now starting to detect these
sorts of things. In the cardiovascular realm, it's even bigger
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and better because so many millions of Americans suffer from
cardiovascular problems with normal labs and they don't get anything
done about it simply because these symptoms aren't there. And we,
unfortunately in today's society, wait until we have shortness of
breath before we go get a stress test, rather than
at age forty or something. When we have genetic history,
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family history like it should be a simple stress test
once a year just to check out how that ticker
is doing, making sure that those vascular components are working properly.
And we're not doing that, and so this is where
the lab lie. Really we can overcome all of those things.
Of you, high cholesterol is not a good indicator of
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if you're going to have a heart attack, and so
a wrist wearable or a chest strap done once a year,
we can start to look at how clogged your arteries are,
and we can start to gain information year over year
on you, so that when stuff does start to happen,
we can actually create the right interventions, but even from
a medical standpoint, not just the medical interventions, but hopefully
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inspire some people to take that lifestyle change before the
event actually happens.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, this is exactly what I get excited about when
we're talking about the technology, because the normal lab lie
is real. I hear from a lot of listeners, email questions,
caller questions, patients, and it's not because labs are useless.
It's because a single blood drawl or a single EKG
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in an office it's a snapshot, and that the human
body doesn't live in. So someone can have a completely
unremarkable EKG at say ten in the morning during a
calm office visit, and have a meaningful a heart arrhythium
at two am, and that never gets captured. So this
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continuous monitoring, it finally gives us the full movie, if
you will, instead of one frame of it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It only Yeah, not only did my mom have that
event these past couple of weeks, I actually had one
of my best friends. So this is the lab Lie thing.
He's an optimized individual in his forties who gets his
blood worke done on a quarterly basis, which is way
better than the normal population. But still that snapshot, he
had perfect cholesterol, he had perfect everything. One day he
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calls me, He's like, I've got chest pain. I think
I have a ribout. And I was like, oh, did
you go get it checked out? He went to go
get it checked out, and it turns out two of
his arteries had one hundred percent blockage and one artery
had an eighty percent blockage. He had to have a
meet surgery to save his life because he was on
the beginning stages of having a heart attack in his forties.
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As an optimized individual that no other signs had been
happening until that day where he had chest pain, where
he just simply thought, I slept wrong and I have
a rib out.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And here's the deal for a patient who's been been
told everything looks normal while still still there feeling awful,
a week or two of continuous cardiac data, it can
reveal these patterns. So those those rhythm irregularities that the
blood pressure, how it might change the recovery patterns after exertion.
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You know that's that's something a single office visit was
never able to catch.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So imagine a world where we can get geared up
with a continuous glucose monitor once a year and a
continuous heart strap and for a two weeks stent, we
get our diabetic panels, our cardiovascular panels, had a whole
different longitudinal data set that isn't just a blood work,
and we actually get real data that is useful from
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a clinical standpoint. It's going to be an amazing future
for people. And if you're struggling right now, I want
all the listeners to understand this stuff is real. Now
you can go ask your doctor for a lot of
these things. This isn't something that's future based. Even though
people like you and I doctor Bruckman, have been talking
about this for years, we're now at the point where
it's literally go talk to your doctor about this and
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try to see how much of this continuous glucose, how
much of this cardiac stract and stuff can you wear
because it is going to help you tremendously figure out
your own unique individual problems without having to do just
a blood draw.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, and I want to underline that for our listeners
because I hear this exact frustration constantly. So you know, folks,
you know your body, and if you've been told everything's
normal but you don't feel normal, that's not you being dramatic.
That's often a sign that the testing simply wasn't built
for to catch what's happening with you. This is one
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of the most validating developments I've seen in years for
patients who often feel dismissed. Doctor David, you know, I
want to get back to talking about this this Dana
here that the deal for a second, because I want
to dig a little bit deeper. So again, this isn't
just a consumer health company. They're a diagnosis of dynostics
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and a life science giant. They didn't buy Massimo to
sell more smart watches, So what's the real what's the
real play here? Are we looking at a future where
your risk wearable feeds data directly into your medical record
and triggers clinical intervention before you even feel those symptoms?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Exactly? Yeah. The FDA has come out and really embraced
the technology as it's come out, which has been an
exciting thing from geeky people like me where we can
see these things get proved right away, and we can
see them get integrated into from a diagnostic standpoint. And
this data isn't like a regular wristwatch. You're not going
to get a readiness score, You're not going to get
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a step count. What you're going to get is while
you had three events that your doctor needs to look at,
get to the cardiologist, get to know the specialists that
you need to see. And so that's the big difference
with these devices is that the amount of data is
proven FDA cleared, They've gone through rigorous studies, rigorous training,
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and they've really been validated for all different types of people.
And that's the big difference. A lot of just wristwatch wearables,
they have the same sensor monitoring everyone, and this is
all validated for all the different genetic types and things
of that nature of what you and I are, right
different people, we're all unique, and so you can put
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these things on and reliably know that the data coming
off of it is accu Your doctor knows that it's accurate.
They actually believe the data versus some of the other
things that they don't believe. And we know through science
that this is all this is all good, and it
really helps make a big difference for people getting the
right diagnosis and getting the relief that they need.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that balance is exactly right. And I'll add this
is why choosing a device with real that the regulatory
clearance matters so much. The FDA clearance that is going
to happen, I means somebody has actually validated that AI
layer against real clinical outcomes, not just shifted an algorithm
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and hope it works.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So, folks, we got to take a break.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But if you've got a question about any of this
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Much more ahead with doctor David Heyman.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Stay with us.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We'll be right back on health Talk America. That's what
you want, all right, You are still with us here
at Health Talk America doctor Adam Brockman alongside doctor David Heyman,
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and we're getting to the part of this conversation. I
think that matters most, doctor David, what this actually means
for our listeners, for you, the listener. So let's make
this real. Doctor David, a fifty two year old listener.
Let's say a dad stressed at work, knows his own
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father had a heart attack at sixty. He's not having symptoms,
but he's worried. He puts on one of these FDA
cleared wearables. What actionable information does he actually get? Is
it your risk is elevated, go see a cardiologist or
something something of the sorts.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, exactly, So what ends up happening, Well, we'll put it,
We'll frame it like this. Your arteries don't get clogged overnight, right,
it doesn't just magically up here. And typically when we
start hitting age thirty five and forty, we start the
process of our lifestyles really start to change, and our
blood work and all of those sorts of things start
to change. And so what these devices can actually help
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assess is we can get down to the layer of percentages.
And this really helps us understand of you know, the
previous example, the previous segment I talked about my friend
having two arteries that were completely one hundred percent clogged.
Imagine if he would have had a device something like this,
where we could have been oh half of your you know,
(32:44):
fifty percent occlusion in some of your arteries. You need
to make these lifestyle changes in these diet changes immediately,
or you're going to you know, genetically speaking, you're going
to end up like your father at age sixty of
having a heart attack. And so this is the importance
of this type of data versus a regular wearable is
that we can get down to one early detection of
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how bad something is, which allows us to make lifestyle changes. Two,
is it really gives us this aspect of just how
bad is it? And do we need to do medical
intervention versus a actual lifestyle change, And that is the
big one. Do you need extra medication? Do you need
a stent? Should we talk about this now just based
(33:30):
off of your genetic history and your family history versus
do you just want to see how this goes? And
that's the big difference with these devices is that can
pinpoint the severity of something versus just oh, something might
be wrong.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And for a guy like this, the real value isn't
the scary alert. It's that actionable the ongoing feedback. Maybe
it shows his recovery after workouts is is sluggish, which
might point to a conversation about about sleep or overtraining.
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And maybe maybe it catches a brief heart irregular, you know,
rhythm episode that he never noticed, which it becomes something
you know, to bring to a cardiologist instead of a
vague I'm worried because of my family history, and it
turns out, you know, it turns some of this, uh,
this anxiety that people have about their health into a
(34:31):
data and data into specific useful conversations with their with
their doctors. So so this is this is the point
I want to make. So much of of the the
health anxiety comes from uncertainty, and this is where technology,
when used correctly, replaces vague worrying about something and making
(34:51):
it concrete and actionable, which is is a healthier place
to operate from in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So, yeah, exactly, and I wish more more doctors would
even take this advice of there's risk profiles that we
can communicate to people of if you start to take
nine thousand steps per day on average, you will reduce
your cancer risk by twenty six percent with the top
thirteen cancers around activity. Right, So that is something that
(35:19):
we can give people this type of level of precision
with these devices, where we are going to reduce your
cardiac risk. You're currently here. Here's the bar mister fifty
two year old, and this is what you need to
do to take those steps to reduce your risk by
forty percent, by seventy percent. And if you don't do that, well,
we will see you again in a few years.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, And I want to push this a little bit further,
doctor Day, because this is going to be a legitimate concern.
We're about to put this continuous cardiac monitoring on millions
of people. So for the hypochondriac you know, or that
health anxious listener, does this create a generation of people
constantly worried about their heart because their risk keeps buzzing
(36:05):
at them? And where's that line between an empowered patient
or person and that anxious patient or person?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, so anxious is a real thing. And then in
the wearable industry, this is actually a known effect that
happens where people who maybe worry about their health a
little bit more than the average person, they start to
worry about it quite a bit. The big difference with
these devices is that they're not going to buzz on
your wrist. You're actually not going to know any of
the data. You're not going to be able to look
(36:34):
at those heart metrics, and you're not going to be
able to interpret it yourself, and so there's actually peace
of mind that starts to happen. Just like when people
go to the doctor and they get relieving results, you
get that extray that shows that something isn't wrong. That's
what this will allow us to do, is it'll help
a peace of mind with a lot of these patients
that do have anxiety around their health that oh, okay,
(36:57):
I'm only at ten percent risk. I'm okay with that.
I thought I was going to be at eighty percent.
And it's going to help relieve that unknown, that unsatisfied
thing that when you go to the doctor now and
you don't have this data and like you said earlier,
that blood work works, you know, then we'll be able
to help them solve their problems.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, And I think this is the point for any
listener who who is anxious about their health or no
they are, talk to your doctor before starting wearing one
of these and set the expectations together about what is
worth reacting to, so that single conversation might prevent ninety
percent of that health anxiety. And folks of health anxiety
(37:40):
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I want to close this out with a big picture question.
So we got these UH, these large life science corporations
buying up smaller AI driven wearable type of company. So
we got cardio Sense that gets FDA clearance. Aura acquires
(42:50):
UH AI for clinical data integration. So we got we
got with things that's moving into medicare, chronic care management.
We got Google is consolidating Fitbit into Google Health. So
if you had to look out five years, does the
average person still go to the cardiologist office for a
(43:13):
stress test or does that happen on the risk while
they're mowing the lawn.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, this is the beautiful equation. Within five years, we
are definitely going to have these sensors on us and
around us at all times, and we're going to be
so we were not even going to notice it, And
that's the beauty of it. Health is going to become
so seamless, and it's going to be a yearly thing
where you'll probably just get something as a package in
the mail. These sensors are getting integrated into your underwear,
(43:40):
your earrings, your glasses, like everything that you put onto
your body is going to have some sort of sensor
that's going to be monitoring it and directly relaying it
to a health AI that knows you and understands you.
And that's the big difference is the AI will allow
us to get to know you as a unique individual
and know what your base one and then therefore be
(44:01):
able to start to tell when something goes wrong. And
so when you don't feel something, your AI will and
it'll be able to alert the system to get you
checked out at a further level if need be. And
so that's the beautiful future that I see and that
I'm hoping for, and I really want to inspire a
lot of people to really jump on this board because
(44:21):
it is going to be a wonderful aspect where if
you get an extra few years of high quality life
to be able to play with your kids, you know,
work with your grandchildren, do that extra work, do that
extra garden that you want to do, Like, we'll be
able to do that at a much more steam lined
pace in the future.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I think I think five years from now, I believe
the risk becomes that continuous data layer, you know, capturing
exactly the kind of real world stress response that you
get from mowing the lawn or climbing stairs. Are in
argument with a teenager, which I know and I have
have you know that probably raises our heart, right, Yeah,
(45:06):
but data it's a formal stress test and a you
know that that we used to have to go to
a clinical office and it was you know, it's never
designed to capture it continuously, but you know the cardiologist office,
it shouldn't it shouldn't disappear. This is going to be
one piece of transforms it into a place where that
(45:28):
data gets interpreted alongside that that imaging, the blood work,
the clinical judgment. So doctor David, thank you so much
for walking us through this today. This is one of
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Heart disease remains the single leading cause of death in
this country. Every thirty something seconds someone in America dies
from cardiovascular disease, and every forty seconds someone has a
heart attack. Those aren't abstract statistics. Those are our nay,
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meaningful percentage of cases, had no idea anything was wrong
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builds up quietly, and heart rhythm they come and they
go without ever being caught on a routine checkup, because
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that gap between how continuously your heart actually functions and
how rarely we act actually check on it has simply
been an accepted limitation. You wait for the symptoms, you
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wait for the schedule. In EKG, you waited often until
something had already gone wrong. And that gap is closing.
It's closing fast. And that's exactly the story I want
to set you up for.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Today.
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We are living through what I believe is one of
the most significant shifts in preventative cardiology in decades, and
that is the rise of consumer wearable technology that doesn't
just count your steps or track your sleep, but actually
monitors your heart's electrical activity. And it does this continuously
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right there on your wrist. Here's what's remarkable about where
this technology is landed. We've moved well past the novelty
phase of fitness trackers guessing at your heart rate during
the jog. We now have wearable devices that have received
FDA clearance, meaning they've been cleared and they cleared a
(05:05):
real regulatory bar for accuracy and clinical usefulness, specifically for
detecting things like a fib and irregular heart rhythms and
other cardiovascular events using onboard electro cardiogram sensors that are
sophisticated enough to flag patterns that use to require a
(05:27):
visit to the cardiologist office, And the pace of investment
tells you everything about where this is headed. Major technology
and healthcare companies are pouring resources into the space. They're
acquiring smaller cardiac wearable innovators, they're integrating AI driven analysis
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into the data these devices collect, and they are racing
to bring continuous cardiac monitoring to the mainstream and at
a consumer price point. What that means practically, is this
that technology that used to be available only to patients
already flagged as high risk, already inside the healthcare system,
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undergoing this formal monitoring. The same category of detection is
opening up to potentially millions of everyday people, many of
whom have no idea that they're at risk. Intel a
wearable on their risk catches something their body hadn't yet
announced through symptoms. But I want to be clear about
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something a wearable it's not a replacement for your physician,
and it's not a diagnosis machine. These devices they're screening tools.
They're powerful ones, and they're increasingly accurate ones, but tools
that are meant to flag something worth A real conversation
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with a real doctor not deliver a verdict on their own.
The research on smartwatch based ECG machines the electric cardiograph
the detection shows real sensitivity for catching something like a FIB,
but it also shows real limitations. You know, short episodes
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can be missed, the results can be inconclusive and con
you know you need to confirm the testing, and that
still matters more than anything. But even with those caveats
front and center, I don't want to understate how big
this shift is. For decades, the biggest challenge in preventive
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cardiology has been access in frequency. Most people, they simply
are not getting their heart rhythm checked often enough to
catch problems early because the symptom wasn't built for continuous data.
Wearables solve exactly that access problem. They put a low
(08:12):
level screening tool on millions of risks that are already
being worn anyway for entirely different reasons, and quietly start
collecting exactly the kind of data that used to require
scheduled appointment and also specialized equipment. That is not a
small thing. According to the most recent national statistics, nearly
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forty percent of cardiovascular disease cases are considered preventable through
the kind of early intervention and lifestyle changes that we
talk about often on the show, and that depends entirely
on catching.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
A problem before becomes a crisis.
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Early detection isn't just a nice feature, it's the entire
ballgame when it comes to prevention. So today I want
to set the stage for exactly this conversation because I
have a guest joined me who lives and breathes this
intersection of wearable technology, you know, the biomarkers in the
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everyday practical health strategy, and someone who translates all of
this cutting edge data into something you can actually use.
And that starts today. So we're going to be talking
about why and what this new wave of cardiac wearables
really means to you, what to actually do if your
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With that onecome doctor David Heyman. Back to health talk America.
How you doing today, doctor David?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You'reat excited to be back here?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Great?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Great, great, It's great to have you here again. So
let's let's start with the headline that that got my attention.
I said, hey, doctor Dave, you want to come back
and talk about this. This is don Her They the company, huge,
huge company, just dropped nearly ten billion dollars to acquire Massimo.
And around that same window, a cardio Sense got FDA
(13:30):
clearance for a risk warn devised the tracks ecg hemo
dynamics in cardiac mechanisms, all simultaneously. So, doctor Dave, you've
been working with wearables and AI driven health data for years.
Is this that moment where wearable health finally goes from
(13:50):
a fun gadget to standard of care?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It is? Yeah, So so many big players got into
the market this past year and it's finally hitting it
as a reality. People are believing it now that we
can actually help people at a whole different level rather
than just their step count. And so we're moving well
beyond just the wellness industry. We're moving into the FDA
cleared the medical insight aspects, where especially in cardiovascular problems,
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this is hitting home for me right now. My mom
a couple of weeks ago was having shortness of breath
and she went in and turns out she needed an
immediate stent to save her life, and wearables could have
helped predict that a little bit sooner. And so this
is a huge pivotal moment for everyone that I'm getting
goosebumps just thinking about it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, it's a great spot to be and I believe
we're at that inflection point. And it's not very subtle anymore.
For you know, from the last decade, we got these
wearables that have lived in that gray zone if you
was so, you know, used for motivation, it was. It
was what I would consider terrible for real clinical decision making.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yell, there's way too much data. Yeah, people, The doctors
didn't know what to do with it. The physicians didn't
know how to interpret it. And now AI has really
helped do all that. It's like a constant nurse watching
the data flow come in and be able to take
control of Hey, this is a problem. This is a problem.
This is a problem. Ding ding ding. Let your doctor
(15:21):
know here, get in, get your butt into the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Now, yeah, yeah, I think that's the difference now is
that debt depth of the signal. We're not talking about
a device that's estimating your heart rate from a basically
this green led bouncing light off your wrist, right, We're
talking about really that almost a cardiogram type of data.
(15:44):
It's actual mechanical movement of the heart that's captured continuously,
and it's outside a hospital. So when a huge company
like you know, companies like these are getting involved, which
you know one of them lives in that diagnostic in
the life science space, and not necessarily consumer gadget's a
(16:06):
you know, putting ten billion plus dollars behind the space.
It's not not a not just you know, marketing bet anymore.
That's say, that's an infrastructure bet.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So there was even a big surgical company that's even
how far this is getting as a surgical company bought
the distribution rights for a heart rate monitor, for a
continuous monitor and to be able to distribute through the US.
So the big, big companies are jumping on board all
at once, and it's like a landslide of diagnostic change
that everyone's going to have immediate access to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, and I'll and I'll add this you know.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Sticking with the cardovascular system, the biggest barrier to preventive
cardiology has never never been in knowledge. It's that frequency
of data. We know what causes heart disease.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
We've what we've.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Been lacking in is a way to catch it early
and often enough. Like you mentioned, you know, with your
with your mom and people who you know might be
already flagged as high risk. But that's the first real
crack in the wall.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
In this Yeah, exactly. And it's like I like to
use the analogy of you know, how your car starts
clunking around and when you bring it to the mechanic
it doesn't clunk, and they're like, we can't figure out
what's going on with it. If you had a continuous
monitor on that car, you would be able to be like, hey,
this is when this event happened. And that's what the
cardiovascular system has always been about. Is we go in
(17:31):
for this heavy one time of year stress test maybe
even if that and it shows maybe something, but not.
Now we finally have a way that when it's at
three o'clock in the morning and you have a heart
arrhythmia and you wake up in a panic, like we
actually have the ability to monitor what happened at that
time and be able to relay that information to your doc.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's important.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, you know, doctor Davi, but most most people think
a smart watch telling him, telling you know, him or
her that their heart rate is enough. But you know,
cardio tag is capturing that that cardiogram type of data,
that actual that that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Mechanical movement of the heart.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So what's what do you feel as the gap between
what consumers think they're they're getting and what clinicians they
actually need to make the decisions.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, So it's really the data stream that no one
has and the general population has been able to pay
attention to before, and they don't need to. And that's
the beauty of it is that this data flows to
clinicians right away, and the AIS in the background that
are monitoring this can easily bring up, you know, the
week's worth, the two weeks worth of data, and instead
(18:47):
of having a clinician sit there for hours on end
trying to interpret it, an AI system will like literally
use a highlighter and say this is an abnormal data point,
look at me. And so it'll be a beautiful situation
where the clinicians will have this data easy access, and
I'm imagining in a near future where we just go
(19:08):
where the stuff for two weeks every year as part
of our preventative medicine component.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, and now I guess where the gap is. Obviously
it's closing the consumer. Consumer often sees a number, so
let's say heart rate, a readiness score. It assumes that
the number equals medical insight. But yeah, clinicians, yeah, yeah,
clinicians need need waveforms and in the time and the
(19:35):
timing intervals and trends like you said, over over weeks
and even months correlated with the symptoms, and also context
behind that.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
When when I work with people, it's like we can
look at generalized heart rate, and we can look at
resting heart rate and a few of those metrics, and
we can compare in a graph of where percentage wise
for your age group and your gender and those of things,
where you should be and where you could go from
an optimization standpoint. But no, means that's more of a
lifestyle coaching component. This is so drastically different of the
(20:11):
data that's coming through these devices versus the regular garments
and whoops and those sorts of things. It's a whole
next level of being able to grab the data to
be able to make a meaningful interpretation around diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, and I think you know, a single data point
means almost nothing. So we're talking about the trends that
are captured continuously, whether they need to be looked at
by a clinician or you bring them bring that data.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It means everything.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
The technology in the devices, you know, cardio tag, it's
closing that gap because it's capturing multiple signals. It signal types,
you know, the electrical activity, the motion, the blood flow timing,
all these all these things that you know a cardiologist
needs to see, wants to see, and it's it's making
it into something that is monitored, just not that fifteen
(21:05):
minutes when you're in the office. And that's that's that's
so important. I think that matters most for our listeners.
Don't don't confuse these wellness metrics, like like you were
talking about with a diagnosis and a diagnostic one. If
a watches telling you, you know, your stress score is elevated,
that's an interesting context. If a clinically validated the red
(21:28):
flags irregular heart rhythm, you know, if that's pattern is
consistent that's something to bring to your doctor. So that's
a more I want to get onto this, doctor David,
but we do got to take a short break at folks.
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(22:11):
with more on Healthtalk America. Doctor Adam Brockman here still
deep in conversation with doctor David Hetman about the new
era of cardiac wearables. So doctor David, let's go ahead and
keep this going. We've been talking a lot on the
show about what I.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Call the normal lab lie.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's where patients feel terrible but they get told that
their blood work is just fine. So a wearable, a
risk wearable that tracks the cardiac function, you know, twenty
four to seven. It seems like the ultimate antidote to
that normal lab lie. So how does this continuous data
(22:51):
change the game for someone who's been told everything looks
normal while they're still struggling with say fatigue, or shortness
of breath, or or even chess discomfort.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, there's so many. This is a great topic and
I love this is. In the diabetic realm, it's the
same way, right, we can have a diabetic a hypoglycemic
spike in the middle of the night and not know it,
and we lose sleep and we don't even feel that.
So our regular wearables are now starting to detect these
sorts of things. In the cardiovascular realm, it's even bigger
(23:22):
and better because so many millions of Americans suffer from
cardiovascular problems with normal labs and they don't get anything
done about it simply because these symptoms aren't there. And we,
unfortunately in today's society, wait until we have shortness of
breath before we go get a stress test, rather than
at age forty or something. When we have genetic history,
(23:43):
family history like it should be a simple stress test
once a year just to check out how that ticker
is doing, making sure that those vascular components are working properly.
And we're not doing that, and so this is where
the lab lie. Really we can overcome all of those things.
Of you, high cholesterol is not a good indicator of
(24:04):
if you're going to have a heart attack, and so
a wrist wearable or a chest strap done once a year,
we can start to look at how clogged your arteries are,
and we can start to gain information year over year
on you, so that when stuff does start to happen,
we can actually create the right interventions, but even from
a medical standpoint, not just the medical interventions, but hopefully
(24:26):
inspire some people to take that lifestyle change before the
event actually happens.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, this is exactly what I get excited about when
we're talking about the technology, because the normal lab lie
is real. I hear from a lot of listeners, email questions,
caller questions, patients, and it's not because labs are useless.
It's because a single blood drawl or a single EKG
(24:54):
in an office it's a snapshot, and that the human
body doesn't live in. So someone can have a completely
unremarkable EKG at say ten in the morning during a
calm office visit, and have a meaningful a heart arrhythium
at two am, and that never gets captured. So this
(25:17):
continuous monitoring, it finally gives us the full movie, if
you will, instead of one frame of it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
It only Yeah, not only did my mom have that
event these past couple of weeks, I actually had one
of my best friends. So this is the lab Lie thing.
He's an optimized individual in his forties who gets his
blood worke done on a quarterly basis, which is way
better than the normal population. But still that snapshot, he
had perfect cholesterol, he had perfect everything. One day he
(25:44):
calls me, He's like, I've got chest pain. I think
I have a ribout. And I was like, oh, did
you go get it checked out? He went to go
get it checked out, and it turns out two of
his arteries had one hundred percent blockage and one artery
had an eighty percent blockage. He had to have a
meet surgery to save his life because he was on
the beginning stages of having a heart attack in his forties.
(26:05):
As an optimized individual that no other signs had been
happening until that day where he had chest pain, where
he just simply thought, I slept wrong and I have
a rib out.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And here's the deal for a patient who's been been
told everything looks normal while still still there feeling awful,
a week or two of continuous cardiac data, it can
reveal these patterns. So those those rhythm irregularities that the
blood pressure, how it might change the recovery patterns after exertion.
(26:40):
You know that's that's something a single office visit was
never able to catch.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So imagine a world where we can get geared up
with a continuous glucose monitor once a year and a
continuous heart strap and for a two weeks stent, we
get our diabetic panels, our cardiovascular panels, had a whole
different longitudinal data set that isn't just a blood work,
and we actually get real data that is useful from
(27:07):
a clinical standpoint. It's going to be an amazing future
for people. And if you're struggling right now, I want
all the listeners to understand this stuff is real. Now
you can go ask your doctor for a lot of
these things. This isn't something that's future based. Even though
people like you and I doctor Bruckman, have been talking
about this for years, we're now at the point where
it's literally go talk to your doctor about this and
(27:29):
try to see how much of this continuous glucose, how
much of this cardiac stract and stuff can you wear
because it is going to help you tremendously figure out
your own unique individual problems without having to do just
a blood draw.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, and I want to underline that for our listeners
because I hear this exact frustration constantly. So you know, folks,
you know your body, and if you've been told everything's
normal but you don't feel normal, that's not you being dramatic.
That's often a sign that the testing simply wasn't built
for to catch what's happening with you. This is one
(28:07):
of the most validating developments I've seen in years for
patients who often feel dismissed. Doctor David, you know, I
want to get back to talking about this this Dana
here that the deal for a second, because I want
to dig a little bit deeper. So again, this isn't
just a consumer health company. They're a diagnosis of dynostics
(28:29):
and a life science giant. They didn't buy Massimo to
sell more smart watches, So what's the real what's the
real play here? Are we looking at a future where
your risk wearable feeds data directly into your medical record
and triggers clinical intervention before you even feel those symptoms?
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Exactly? Yeah. The FDA has come out and really embraced
the technology as it's come out, which has been an
exciting thing from geeky people like me where we can
see these things get proved right away, and we can
see them get integrated into from a diagnostic standpoint. And
this data isn't like a regular wristwatch. You're not going
to get a readiness score, You're not going to get
(29:11):
a step count. What you're going to get is while
you had three events that your doctor needs to look at,
get to the cardiologist, get to know the specialists that
you need to see. And so that's the big difference
with these devices is that the amount of data is
proven FDA cleared, They've gone through rigorous studies, rigorous training,
(29:34):
and they've really been validated for all different types of people.
And that's the big difference. A lot of just wristwatch wearables,
they have the same sensor monitoring everyone, and this is
all validated for all the different genetic types and things
of that nature of what you and I are, right
different people, we're all unique, and so you can put
(29:55):
these things on and reliably know that the data coming
off of it is accu Your doctor knows that it's accurate.
They actually believe the data versus some of the other
things that they don't believe. And we know through science
that this is all this is all good, and it
really helps make a big difference for people getting the
right diagnosis and getting the relief that they need.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that balance is exactly right. And I'll add this
is why choosing a device with real that the regulatory
clearance matters so much. The FDA clearance that is going
to happen, I means somebody has actually validated that AI
layer against real clinical outcomes, not just shifted an algorithm
(30:37):
and hope it works.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So, folks, we got to take a break.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
But if you've got a question about any of this
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Much more ahead with doctor David Heyman.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Stay with us.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
We'll be right back on health Talk America. That's what
you want, all right, You are still with us here
at Health Talk America doctor Adam Brockman alongside doctor David Heyman,
(31:17):
and we're getting to the part of this conversation. I
think that matters most, doctor David, what this actually means
for our listeners, for you, the listener. So let's make
this real. Doctor David, a fifty two year old listener.
Let's say a dad stressed at work, knows his own
(31:37):
father had a heart attack at sixty. He's not having symptoms,
but he's worried. He puts on one of these FDA
cleared wearables. What actionable information does he actually get? Is
it your risk is elevated, go see a cardiologist or
something something of the sorts.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, exactly, So what ends up happening, Well, we'll put it,
We'll frame it like this. Your arteries don't get clogged overnight, right,
it doesn't just magically up here. And typically when we
start hitting age thirty five and forty, we start the
process of our lifestyles really start to change, and our
blood work and all of those sorts of things start
to change. And so what these devices can actually help
(32:22):
assess is we can get down to the layer of percentages.
And this really helps us understand of you know, the
previous example, the previous segment I talked about my friend
having two arteries that were completely one hundred percent clogged.
Imagine if he would have had a device something like this,
where we could have been oh half of your you know,
(32:44):
fifty percent occlusion in some of your arteries. You need
to make these lifestyle changes in these diet changes immediately,
or you're going to you know, genetically speaking, you're going
to end up like your father at age sixty of
having a heart attack. And so this is the importance
of this type of data versus a regular wearable is
that we can get down to one early detection of
(33:08):
how bad something is, which allows us to make lifestyle changes. Two,
is it really gives us this aspect of just how
bad is it? And do we need to do medical
intervention versus a actual lifestyle change, And that is the
big one. Do you need extra medication? Do you need
a stent? Should we talk about this now just based
(33:30):
off of your genetic history and your family history versus
do you just want to see how this goes? And
that's the big difference with these devices is that can
pinpoint the severity of something versus just oh, something might
be wrong.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And for a guy like this, the real value isn't
the scary alert. It's that actionable the ongoing feedback. Maybe
it shows his recovery after workouts is is sluggish, which
might point to a conversation about about sleep or overtraining.
(34:07):
And maybe maybe it catches a brief heart irregular, you know,
rhythm episode that he never noticed, which it becomes something
you know, to bring to a cardiologist instead of a
vague I'm worried because of my family history, and it
turns out, you know, it turns some of this, uh,
this anxiety that people have about their health into a
(34:31):
data and data into specific useful conversations with their with
their doctors. So so this is this is the point
I want to make. So much of of the the
health anxiety comes from uncertainty, and this is where technology,
when used correctly, replaces vague worrying about something and making
(34:51):
it concrete and actionable, which is is a healthier place
to operate from in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
So, yeah, exactly, and I wish more more doctors would
even take this advice of there's risk profiles that we
can communicate to people of if you start to take
nine thousand steps per day on average, you will reduce
your cancer risk by twenty six percent with the top
thirteen cancers around activity. Right, So that is something that
(35:19):
we can give people this type of level of precision
with these devices, where we are going to reduce your
cardiac risk. You're currently here. Here's the bar mister fifty
two year old, and this is what you need to
do to take those steps to reduce your risk by
forty percent, by seventy percent. And if you don't do that, well,
we will see you again in a few years.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, And I want to push this a little bit further,
doctor Day, because this is going to be a legitimate concern.
We're about to put this continuous cardiac monitoring on millions
of people. So for the hypochondriac you know, or that
health anxious listener, does this create a generation of people
constantly worried about their heart because their risk keeps buzzing
(36:05):
at them? And where's that line between an empowered patient
or person and that anxious patient or person?
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, so anxious is a real thing. And then in
the wearable industry, this is actually a known effect that
happens where people who maybe worry about their health a
little bit more than the average person, they start to
worry about it quite a bit. The big difference with
these devices is that they're not going to buzz on
your wrist. You're actually not going to know any of
the data. You're not going to be able to look
(36:34):
at those heart metrics, and you're not going to be
able to interpret it yourself, and so there's actually peace
of mind that starts to happen. Just like when people
go to the doctor and they get relieving results, you
get that extray that shows that something isn't wrong. That's
what this will allow us to do, is it'll help
a peace of mind with a lot of these patients
that do have anxiety around their health that oh, okay,
(36:57):
I'm only at ten percent risk. I'm okay with that.
I thought I was going to be at eighty percent.
And it's going to help relieve that unknown, that unsatisfied
thing that when you go to the doctor now and
you don't have this data and like you said earlier,
that blood work works, you know, then we'll be able
to help them solve their problems.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, And I think this is the point for any
listener who who is anxious about their health or no
they are, talk to your doctor before starting wearing one
of these and set the expectations together about what is
worth reacting to, so that single conversation might prevent ninety
percent of that health anxiety. And folks of health anxiety
(37:40):
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I want to close this out with a big picture question.
So we got these UH, these large life science corporations
buying up smaller AI driven wearable type of company. So
we got cardio Sense that gets FDA clearance. Aura acquires
(42:50):
UH AI for clinical data integration. So we got we
got with things that's moving into medicare, chronic care management.
We got Google is consolidating Fitbit into Google Health. So
if you had to look out five years, does the
average person still go to the cardiologist office for a
(43:13):
stress test or does that happen on the risk while
they're mowing the lawn.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, this is the beautiful equation. Within five years, we
are definitely going to have these sensors on us and
around us at all times, and we're going to be
so we were not even going to notice it, And
that's the beauty of it. Health is going to become
so seamless, and it's going to be a yearly thing
where you'll probably just get something as a package in
the mail. These sensors are getting integrated into your underwear,
(43:40):
your earrings, your glasses, like everything that you put onto
your body is going to have some sort of sensor
that's going to be monitoring it and directly relaying it
to a health AI that knows you and understands you.
And that's the big difference is the AI will allow
us to get to know you as a unique individual
and know what your base one and then therefore be
(44:01):
able to start to tell when something goes wrong. And
so when you don't feel something, your AI will and
it'll be able to alert the system to get you
checked out at a further level if need be. And
so that's the beautiful future that I see and that
I'm hoping for, and I really want to inspire a
lot of people to really jump on this board because
(44:21):
it is going to be a wonderful aspect where if
you get an extra few years of high quality life
to be able to play with your kids, you know,
work with your grandchildren, do that extra work, do that
extra garden that you want to do, Like, we'll be
able to do that at a much more steam lined
pace in the future.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I think I think five years from now, I believe
the risk becomes that continuous data layer, you know, capturing
exactly the kind of real world stress response that you
get from mowing the lawn or climbing stairs. Are in
argument with a teenager, which I know and I have
have you know that probably raises our heart, right, Yeah,
(45:06):
but data it's a formal stress test and a you
know that that we used to have to go to
a clinical office and it was you know, it's never
designed to capture it continuously, but you know the cardiologist office,
it shouldn't it shouldn't disappear. This is going to be
one piece of transforms it into a place where that
(45:28):
data gets interpreted alongside that that imaging, the blood work,
the clinical judgment. So doctor David, thank you so much
for walking us through this today. This is one of
the conversations I know our listeners are going to want
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