HeartPrint – Unlock The Wisdom Of You With Meg Tuohey - Inspired Living

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bring our special guest on today. She's joining us for
the first time. She's our second guest here through the
Own Times television studio. So I'm excited to talk to her.
She's coming in from Tampa. But before I bring her on,
I want to read an opening from her book and

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give a little bit more detail about her. And she
starts off with her book, and now that we're on
the television platform, I can actually show you this as well.
But it starts off with put your hand on your
heart every morning and feel its beat. It's your reminder
that you're alive, that life is still choosing you. Your
heart is the most important muscle in your body. It

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works without pause, the most devoted rhythm you'll ever know.
Start there in gratitude, and that's from Adriana Martin, and
that's how she opens her book called heart Print, Unlock
Your Unlocked, the Wisdom of You. And her name is
Meg Towey and she's going to be coming in. She
also has a top podcast, and I want to read
a little bit about her. You can follow the details

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on all of our social media pages or here through
Ong Times Media as well. And just a little bit
background about Meg and what she has done, and she's
got a see here, got it all written up here.
She's got a top fifteen in education podcast United States
and it's called Wisdom Stripes and it's reached over one

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point eight million lifetime downloads and ranked in the top fifteen.
She's extending her impact through long form conversations centered on wisdom, relationships,
and personal growth. Meg's work has supported thousands of women
and couples across the United States and Canada, particularly those
who felt unseen or unsuccessful in traditional therapeutic or self

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help environments. Her perspective is a neuro divergent, affirming and
we'll get into that because I'm not sure what that is.
Ethically grounded and rooted in a deep respect for women's
agency and inner authority. As her leadership continues to evolve,
Meg is expanding her work beyond the clinical space and
into authorship media being Here, Uninspired, Living and Speaking. Also

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in twenty twenty six, she's debuting her book again. It's
called heart Print, Unlock the Wisdom of You, and extending
her mission to support women worldwide and reconnecting with themselves
and shaping lives rooted in meaning, resilience and self trust
and she always says, inspiring women, inspiring lives, and what
better fit to have her come on and share the

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next hour with us. She's also an innovator and a psychologist,
and she is revolutionizing marriage repair as her work centers
on helping women reconnect with themselves, understand their inner world,
and lead with clarity and wisdom, especially in moments, especially
now the way this planet is going, but especially in
moments when life, relationships, or identity feel fractured. She likes

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to help women reconnect and move through trauma and crisis
and lead with that wisdom. And so Meg too, I'd
like to welcome into the studio. Come on into Inspired Living.
Let's have a inspired chat.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
So good to see you.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Hopefully I covered all of the basics, including your website
which is Maketoey dot com if I have that correct,
and welcome to Inspired Living.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Well, thank you so much for having me. What an introduction.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Well, you're very welcome.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So tell us about the book, tell us about your
background as a psychologist working with couples. I'm going to
ask you a question because I've been married for thirty
plus years, so I'm going to ask you, know, what
can I do for the next thirty next thirty years
to make sure my wife wants to stay with me
and keep that inspiration and that spark going in marriage,
because marriages, you know, are hells and valleys, right, and

(07:21):
you know every marriage has its ups and downs, and
it's not always the happily ever after that we always
see in the movies and read about in the books.
But I like how you open up your book about
just put your hand on your heart and every morning
and feel its beat. That's so important to be in
the present moment. It helped me really be present as
I was reading the book. I'm like, you know, what
today is a gift. I'm actually here, I'm breathing, I'm alive.

(07:43):
I'm having this interview with you. But just tell me
listening to audience, a little bit more about yourself.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Oh thank you. So I am a psychologist. I specialize
in women in relationships that are in crisis and everything
else has failed, and I work with them. Never meet
their beautiful good man or loved one. I only ever
work with a woman, which is an unusual kind of

(08:11):
groundbreaking approach. Lots of people have picked it up since
I started in twenty eighteen, but back then it was
a very novel, So there's that piece of what I do.
I also have a specialty area in eurodivergence, as you referenced,
and I then was I took that idea and then

(08:31):
went to wisdom. I'm very interested in the intergenerational transfer
or lack thereof, of wisdom, and so I wanted to
create a podcast that allowed wisdom that was hard earned.
You know, the kind that you get your military stripes
because you came through the other side, or you get
your gray hairs because you figured it out. So that's

(08:55):
the wisdom stripes. And I wanted to interview all different
kinds of wisdom because wisdom is in every kind of
pocket of the world in which we inhabit. So I'm
particularly curious about that and translating that so that other
people don't have to suffer as much because we can

(09:16):
collectively grow together. So that's the podcast, and we did
a million downloads in twenty twenty five, which is just
so cool. And then finally Hatprint came out on February fourteen.
It has been a labor of love. It took me
five years to write, and it is written for those
who want to know their inner wise woman's self. They're

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in a wisdom so that they can kind of connect
to that thread of intelligence and guidance so that when
they're at those decision points in life, they can decide
with that kind of deep knowing that that wisdom of
what is my next right step, so that I live
a life that matches my essence of who I really am,

(10:03):
which of course is different, as different as a fingerprint,
which is why it's called heart print. So every single person,
there is no one else just like you.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and I like how you equated the wisdom stripes
for your podcast, and congratulations. You know, I definitely get
that when people download and leave reviews, that you're reaching
some sort of audience, that you're making a difference in
this world. And that's why I wanted to talk with you.
But the wisdom stripes because I did. I did serve
in the military, so I had to go through to
get those stripes. I do have a little bit more
gray hair than I used to, you know, being you know,

(10:36):
through the journey of life and consciousness. But let's start
real quick, because I think marriage, you know, like I said,
I've been married for thirty plus years now, and I
you know, from your perspective, Meg, as a psychologist, have
you seen that the constructive marriage itself? Because people get
married for many different reasons, right, But sometimes it's for love,
sometimes it's for support, sometimes it's.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
For balance and family or you know.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I actually no, I actually have friends that were in
arranged marriages coming from different countries. So from your perspective,
how has marriage changed since you start from when you
first started doing this work to what you're doing now,
have you seen a change with the younger generations? Because
I read a lot of different medical peer reviews about
you know, psychology and how the younger generations aren't necessarily

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engaging like they used to when I was growing up,
and that whole conflict of marriage is not necessarily there
with the younger generations. So I wanted to start off
there and just kind of see where this takes us.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Let's start, I think the most wonderful statistic to sort
of show you the progress that has been made since
I started work with couples in twenty seventeen and really
went all in in twenty eighteen to with the kind
of relationship expertise, and in twenty seventeen, the research was

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that it took an average couple in crisis sticks years
to get help. And that was the gold standard of research.
That's what we knew, and that was a legitimate measurement.
Fast forward to twenty twenty four and the same research

(12:16):
institute was able to now two and a half years.
But actually, what we're seeing is people are more committed
than ever to figuring things out, getting external help and
repairing and building relationships even if they don't work out

(12:39):
in the long run. They're doing the work earlier. And
so I think, actually, we as humans are really good
people trying harder and harder to solve these complicated psychological puzzles.
So I have a lot of hope for humanity too.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I just you know, I remember back when before
I got married, one of the things we had gone
to our pastor we were in a church, and we
actually did a year's worth of pre marriage counseling to
understand and I remember one of the things that always
stuck with me even all these years later, being in
a marriage. And like I said, marriages or hills and valleys,
and and you have your ups and your downs, but

(13:22):
I remember, through that counseling, which we still reflect to
this day, we'd still talk about it. We bring in
our learned behaviors from our family. And there was a
show at the time. I can't recall the name of
the show, but it's like the couple was sitting in
bed getting ready to go to sleep, and on each
side of them was their parents and their aunts and
their uncles, not not you know, more just mindful that

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you bring in all of your personalities into that bed
and all of your learned behaviors. And that's always kind
of stuck with us, like we remember that, you know,
there are just the two of them in the bed,
but it's actually a pretty crowded space with all of
the things that we bring into a marriage and the
person perspectives.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
And I think that was very helpful. I think it's
I think it's helpful.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Before people get married to, you know, because you have
that dominance factor too, right you come in you know,
some some marriages, I know, like Jenny and I, we
never lived together before we got married. We you know,
I went into the military of the Coast Guard and
then she joined me. We got married and she joined me,
and so we had to learn about living together, which
took some time and not maybe not six years, but

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you know, there was definitely understanding the different dominances of
things that we learn as we're growing up and through
the ego mind. But today, you know, I read a
lot of studies about, especially with technology, we're so connected.
We're more connected than we've ever been in the history
of the world. But we're also more disconnected than we've
ever been based on our smartphones and our you know,

(14:47):
there's always there's always that Hey, I'm inviting people over
to sit and look at their phones. We want to
come over, you know, And so you see this disconnection
as well. And like I said, I follow a lot
of different things for the show and to talk with
guests like your Oh, but where do you see technology
interacting with marriage and people actually being able to sync

(15:07):
up through the technology platform? Because I didn't have this
but growing up, right, I always say I'm BC before computer. Right,
So you either went to the bar, or you went
to church or somewhere in high school that those are
your three options. How do you see the hope of
moving forward with relationships? Where do you see that future
blossoming moving forward?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
I think it's a great question, and I think like
any new paradigm shift, which technology is is often a
pendulum swing, so sometime we go from not having anything
at all all the way through to perhaps over using
it or having too much of something, before we eventually
settle somewhere in the middle once it's way sort of

(15:51):
acclimated to it as a society. So I suspect technology.
We're still in the upswing and figuring that out and something.
Things technology has done for us have changed the world
for the far better, and some things probably things will
adjust as we see impact and understand more about what

(16:13):
it means. Humans have been doing these sorts of massive
changes though since we began. We don't have to go
back too many years to see the industrial revolution and
what that did to us, you know, like it is
an information revolution in a way. And so we will

(16:34):
find things that are blessings, and we will find things
that we will need to address and change, and we'll
do some harm and we'll do some good. And that's
sort of the way in which humans typically have operated historically.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, And in your book you open it up with chapters,
but you take your chapters and you put it to
an age as well. So chapter zero, age zero, and
you talk about the delivery room in the Vibra Hospital
in Massachusetts, and the story begins take our listeners on
that journey of how the chapters are based on age
and how we grow to eventually become into a relationship

(17:12):
through marriage.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
So the thing about the book is that chapter zero
is when our protagonist, our wonderful character, Ellie, is born,
and the rest of the chapters in the book don't,
I don't think line up with her age, but it
does start that way. And so what we see with
Ellie is she's born into a pretty difficult human context,

(17:38):
as many of us are. You know, we come into
life and we don't know what it is and we
don't know who it is that are going to be
our parents and what that context means, Like I got
to be born in Australia. What if I was born
in a different country, in a different culture, in a
different time. And so what we see is her entry

(18:00):
point into her context, and it's challenging from the start,
and then we watch her journey across the chapters and
we see her wrestle with the things she inherited, like
that lovely bed analogy you gave the things she inherited,
and then the life that she also kind of has
to grapple with and we're watching her move far away

(18:24):
from her inner wisdom and then reclaim that relationship with self.
And she does it with the help of what I
call your wise woman or your good man or your
wise person, Elizabeth. And essentially Elizabeth is that in a
voice that really understands who we're meant to grow into
and wants to partner with us. And in that partnership,

(18:46):
we then start to build a life that matches who
we really are.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So, like in chapter two, so what I was saying
was the age doesn't necessarily match up with the chapters.
But chapter two age seventeen, and you tee talk about
that coming of age. You know, that's pretty you know,
I remember my wife talking about how that was a
very difficult time for her. Kind of that you're getting
to the part where you're almost too old to be
a teenager but too young to be an adult, kind

(19:12):
of in this little this area. So you know, chapter
two then jumps to age seventeen in the book, and
you know, as you're laying out this emotional blueprint, what
would you say to some of it's listening to the
show today that's maybe of that age and surrounded by
all these these different things. I mean, it's almost like
with the you know you talked about the age of information.

(19:33):
It's almost to me it's almost like drinking from a firehose.
There's just so much information, so much coming at us
compared to when I was growing up at that age.
What would you say for the wisdom of a young
woman coming into age, you know that age seventeen and
trying to understand herself and understand her place in this world.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well, a couple of things. Chances are she comes from
parents who, like you and me, didn't grow up with computers,
so there are still translators available for what life looks
like offline, and the curiosity is our first line of

(20:13):
defense against anything. How did that work? What does that mean?
How different is my life to your life? Whenever we
get really curious about differences, that's often where a lot
of wisdom lies. And when we're in any kind of
age or stage of life, we are only there for
a fleeting brief time before the next season will come through.

(20:37):
And I guess for someone who's in that seventeen cusp
of transitioning into early adulthood, it's a tumultuous time. And
looking for that eldership is a really good idea, and
looking for the development of a deep friendship with self
is a really good idea. And so we're looking for parents,

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looking for aunts or leaders or people who can be
in that eldership space for you, and we're also looking
for you to start to cultivate a deep friendship. So
what we know about a friendship is it takes one
hundred hours to build a solid friendship with somebody, and

(21:21):
that one hundred hours is also required for the relationship
we have with self. And so we need to start
cultivating that inner experience of being a dear friend because
who else is going to be with us from cradle
to grave? Really? It's us?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's us, Yeah, it's But do you talk to you
the most in your life? Yourself? Right? You know that?
I like that.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Looking for eldership and friendship with self, I think those
are I wrote those down because I learn a lot from.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Doing the show as well. I learned from.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Experts like yourself, and you know, carry that on into
my own journey, into my own follower and my students.
And one of the things I always remind people, especially
when I'm talking to somebody younger. Yes, you may be
faster than me, but we know the path a lot better,
you know. And so making that think between you know,
the youth. You know, I'm still playing basketball as an

(22:15):
old guy playing trying to keep up.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
With the young guys, and they're always you know, come on.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Old man, keep up. And I'm like, yeah, I may
not be as young as you, and you may move faster,
but I know the game a lot better, right, I
can see things, And so I like those two, those
two things and one of the you know, you started
in twenty seventeen with this work, so you came up
right against COVID, right, which was global impacted everybody, right,
and you know, big shout out. You said you're from Australia,

(22:38):
So big shout out to Australia because they just enacted laws.
We were just talking about the age seventeen on social media.
Social media, I think in the future is going to
really start to give us some pause about how we
interact through social media. In fact, there was just a
big lawsuit here that a jury awarded three hundred and
twenty five million against Facebook because of the algorithms of

(22:59):
what they're doing. But big shout out to your country
down Under because they've been acted loss for sixteen and
younger can't be on the social media platforms. And I
think that's brilliant because in your book, Ellie jumps to
chapter three all of a sudden, she jumps from seventeen
to the age of twenty eight and now, you know,
in a much different place. But before we go to

(23:19):
our first break, just tell us a little bit of
that jump. And it was the book written based on
your journey or did you just is this story more
or is it a blending of both? I guess is
it kind of writing? You said five years to write it?
So is it based on your events? Okay, and so

(23:39):
five years for that?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
So no, I was just nodding with your like, is
it a blend? Yes, it's a blend. So some of
it's lived experience that I've worked with five thousand women now,
so a lot of it are the synthesis of what
I see women go through, and so a lot of
it is informed by my kind of work as well,

(24:02):
and trying to make stories within the book applicable so
that everybody can find themselves in the story.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, find it relatable.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
So five years to write the book, you jump to
chapter three, age twenty eight. That really kind of just
getting grounded now and who she is and what she's doing.
I guess, you know, for the heart Print, I like
the title of it. Did you come up with the
title or did your editors come up.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
With the title?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, I did, Yeah, because I've talked to a lot
of guests and sometimes it's not they come up with
the story, but then the title is actually sometimes based
on what the editors you know, you know, might think
is a better sell or So I think that's important,
you know, especially if it's your baby.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, you've you've named it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know you've called it, you know, heart Print Unlocked
the Wisdom of You, which I think is brilliant, and
you know, one of one of my favorite shows, you know,
you know, based on psychology and based on counting and
in marriage. One of my favorite shows right now that
we love watching is on Apple TV called Shrinking, and
it's it's all based it's all based on you know, relationships,

(25:11):
and you know, Harrison Ford obviously I'm a Star Wars fan,
so big Harrison Ford fan. Han solo, but he is
in his you know, he's in his later stages of life.
But he's so brilliant as a psychologist and what he
brings to the audience.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I think it just is really.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Resonating with people about you know, when I was growing up,
you didn't go to a psychologist. If you went to
a psychologist, that meant that there was something wrong with you,
right or you need you know, there was mental health issues.
But we're having these conversations which I think in your
in one of your chapters you talked about awakening and transparency.
I think that's very important for the human consciousness and
the human conditions, you know, especially to have a relationship

(25:46):
and to have him to move into that marriage.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
So I'm going to pause here because I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I want to take us to our first break, and
then when we come from come back from that break.
I've got some questions in a real dig a little
bit more into your book and ask some more fun, inspiring, encouraging,
motivating questions for you. But I just want to say
thank you for being on. It's real pleasure to talk
with you today and be our second guest on the

(26:13):
Home Times television Because we've done audio for ten seasons,
just regular podcasts, and now we've moved into the TV format,
which will also be the podcast format wherever we get
your favorite podcasts, so people get to see you and
they'll get to hear you. But we're going to go
to our first break and when we return, we have
our special guest today, Meg Twey, talking about her new
book heart Print, Unlock the Wisdom of You.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So stick around. We'll be back in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2 (29:20):
We have our special guest today, Meg Twey, talking about
her new book Heartprint Unlock the Wisdom of You. So
let's get into some questions. Yeah, yeah, show it up.
We've got TV now. Before I used to just say it.
I'm so used to after ten years of being on
the air. I you know, it's like when I was
saying follow us inspired for us, I'd be like, that's
the number four, becus.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I couldn't show the number four when I was talking
in audio.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
But in the book, throughout the chapters, as the age.
As the chapters go up, the age increases. But you
also have a what you call a cup of tea
with many and break down some bullet points within each chapter.
Tell tell the listeners a little bit about that a
cup of tea because I am actually drinking tea today,
a cup of tea with Meg. I'm actually having a

(30:02):
cup of tea with Mega. Yes, so tell us about I.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Mean, I love it. So I'm a big tea drinker
and so that's probably where it comes from. That's a
piece of me in the book. And each chapter has
the story of Ellie who we see from the age
of zero all the way through her life. And then
it has Elizabeth, and Elizabeth is Ellie's wise woman, that

(30:27):
inner wise woman, and she's there to translate the wisdom
of what's happening in the human experience. And the thought
is for those who can't access or are unsure, if
the inner voice they're hearing is their wise woman, then
Elizabeth is there to step in for a little while
whilst we connect the reader with their own in a

(30:51):
wise woman, good man, wise person. And so I write
a little bit at the end of that chapter. So
there's sort of three segments to chapter, and I am
a really good question asker, and what you'll see is
at the end of each of those chapters we've covered
some very interesting human terrain. We've had it translated from

(31:12):
a wisdom perspective, and then I give some prompts to
help the reader be able to apply it to their
own experience of life. And so there's only a couple
of questions, but that's what they're there for. It's sort
of a part self help, part workbook, but mostly story

(31:33):
and translation.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, which I which to me, storytelling is so very
very important and that's why I like this book because
it blends. So would it be fair to say that
Elizabeth is her higher self if we were talking from
a consciousness, your joby perspective, would it be her higher
self of connecting to that older, wiser soul if you

(31:57):
will for Elizabeth?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Is is that there to say or no?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I think so. I think we have lots of different
words for that inner knowing, and sometimes we use higher
self with higher consciousness. Sometimes we say I felt it
in my gut. It's sort of it is that in
a knowing. And I'm using the metaphor of Elizabeth and
the wise woman and that thread of connection that is

(32:25):
available to all of us.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And the reason I point that out because our global
audience had, like you said, there's a lot of different
perspectives and a lot of different labels. So I wanted
to kind of cross what that and bridge it together
because before the show, I was holding up the car
and now I can do it. I was talking about
know thyself, right, And that's that's a big part of
our journey, is you know, self observation and awakening, self
understanding and enlighten you know, even you know, science is

(32:51):
teaching us more. I technically got married at a very
young age. I was twenty three when I got married,
and my wife Jenny was twenty one, about to turn
twenty two. And I think people back at that today
ago and that's pretty young. And you know, I'm with
some of the studies that I follow. They talk about,
especially from a man's perspective, we don't really reach maturity
into our early to mid thirties, right, and you know,

(33:13):
you're just still trying to you know, we're talking about
knowing thyself. But even for you know, both male and female,
they're saying that maturity really happens more in the thirties,
and then you really start to get into that more
mature side in your forties. You're not over the hill
because when I was growing up, when you were over forty,
you were over the hill. And now we're learning that
that's not that's not necessarily the case with people living longer, right.

(33:35):
And so you know, for people that are watching the
show or listening to the show, is is there a
certain age you should get married or not get married?
Is does is age even a conversation that you know
when you know, you know, like when I knew, I knew,
but you know people would say, man, you're you've been
married for thirty years, you're young.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Well I got married young. Some people wait later in
life to get married. What would you say to that?
Just that that question on age and marriage.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I think the most tricky part of being in a
human suit is that we have a biological clock when
it comes to having children, particularly as women. So from
that lens, you know we do there is a very
real end time to when we can participate in reproduction,

(34:23):
and that is something that we've come a long way
in terms of technology supporting pregnancy later in life, which
wasn't a thing thirty years ago, and there's still that
reality for women. If we're just looking at relationships, though,
I'm going to use the word attunement, and attunement is

(34:43):
one of my key go tos, which is all about
how do I translate what is good for me? So
if we were talking about you and me as a couple, Mark,
and we were dating and wondering should we get married,
for example, then both of us need to be in

(35:03):
achievement with our what is good for us? Are you
the person that is a good person for me? Am
I in a space where I'm ready to commit to
you those kinds of questions we need to ask ourselves,
and we do that through the process of a tutment,
And achiutment is about building and strengthening that threat of

(35:27):
connection about what are my goals, my dreams, my outcomes
for this life, what are my values? And what does
success look like to me? And only when I've sort
of processed those things can I decide whether through a
tutment whether marrying you is a towards move it moves

(35:47):
me towards my goals and dreams, or is it an
away move It moves me away from my goals, dreams
and values. And I'm the only one that can really
tell you that, and you're the only one that could
really tell me that. And so it is with any relationship.
So we do have other context to consider, for example,
having children and that biological clock, and perhaps there are

(36:11):
other things as well. You know you touched on some
of those earlier. Sometimes there is a context where you
need to get married in order to sort of stay
alive or to stay in a space of safety of
some description, and sometimes getting married is going to take
you away from being safe. So there's always someone's context,

(36:34):
and we always have a choice. We might not like
our choices, but we always have a choice, and that
achievement is about what are my choices? Where am I?
And does this line up for me? That's going to
be good for me? Because if it's good for me
and it's good for you, then we're moving well. But
if it's not good for you and it's good for me,

(36:56):
then we're going to be on the back foot as well.
Do you see.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah? No, I like that.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I like the word a tument because that that crosses
so many different playing fields, you know, when you know,
I've never thought about it that way and asking the question,
and you know, a kudos to the younger generations because
I think they're much more aware in having that atument
and asking those questions. What does success look like? You know,
if we already get married, what does success look like?

(37:23):
Is it like, is it a step forward or is
it step back? You know, when I was growing up,
and again I'm dating myself here a little bit, we
really didn't have those conversations. It was kind of like
you either went to college, or you went off in
the military, or you got married. It was kind of
like that next step, right, And it was one of
those three steps, and people, you know, the younger generations
seem to be asking those questions like what does this

(37:44):
look like for me?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
And what can I learn in this in this.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Journey before I actually attached myself to somebody else through
that concept of marriage. And so, you know, a big
shout out to all of my inspired, my younger inspired
listeners out there, because you're you're you're thinking through it,
like you said, Meg, through attunement.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
But also I think that's a big part of.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Know yourself, to know thyself and have those conversations because
Jenny and I have many conversations like if the scenario
was different compared to what we know today, would we
have gotten married as young as we did or would
we have dated longer?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:17):
We got married quickly because I got moved away in
the Coastguard, so it was like, oh, I want to
take you with me, so let's get married. Right, But
we've had these conversations about you know what, you know,
things that she could have maybe done differently, like gone
to college. She would you know, we started we were
part of the generation that was the online college, which
was always told to us from you know, pundits and experts.

(38:39):
Oh online college will never take off, it'll never be
a credit, it will never work. Well, let's jump you know,
two decades, three decades forward, we know that it's very successful.
And I've actually taken classes at Stanford and Harvard online, right,
So who would have thought that? But you know, this
emotional blueprint that you talk about. You know, one of
the questions I have for you, Meg is you know

(38:59):
how forms? But you talked about why healthy love can
initially feel unfamiliar or boring. And I wanted, you know,
for the listeners out there, because you know, like I
asked you, how after thirty years, how do you keep
love from not becoming boring? How do you keep you know,
what are some maybe some attunement tools that I could do,
even as somebody that's been married as long as I've been,

(39:20):
to recreate the honeymoon, to recreate you know, because life
does get ordinary and on the show we talk about
the extraordinary and the ordinary.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
But from your you know, your education, what do you.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Help people with that's been married for a long time
versus somebody that's just getting married. What would be some
of the questions or some of the exercises that you
would take us through to help keep that spark that rekindle,
because life does get in the way life happens, right
and you, like you said, free will and choice are
a big part of the human condition and the human journey.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
What would you say to that question?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
So I think that is it's a complicated question and
it has particularly come implicated answer. So I'll do my
best to sort of sketch it out for you. So
the blueprint part of this conversation recognizes we talked about
Ellie at the age of zero. She's born into a
difficult context, and whether you identify with that or not,

(40:17):
we can all agree that no one gets through life unscathed.
We all have been exposed to unresolved inside of ourselves,
confusion and pain, things that have hurt us, things that
have harmed us, and they leave kind of tangles in
our physiology, or like a browser tab that's left open.

(40:40):
They're left open because it doesn't make sense to us.
Why was my mum like that, Why was my dad
like that? Why did this thing happen at school? Why
did that hurt so much? Those are questions that unless
we have the answer in a way that makes sense
to us, the brain leaves that tab open. And so

(41:00):
as we go through life, we accumulate more and more
and more of those tabs until we hit a tipping
point where there's too many tabs open and not enough
bandwidth to kind of run our life. And that is
a space that perhaps we traditionally call a midlife crisis,
but we can have that crisis at any age where
it's just like too much. Now, when something when a

(41:23):
person is constructed uniquely to them, they're going to have
a whole lot of questions in those browser tabs, so
that the brain, if it could answer them, can basically
file all of those questions and resolve them. Brains really
like simple things. A plus people see one plus one
equals two, and when a brain gets a complicated question
that it can't file, it sits open. So then what

(41:46):
tends to happen is we marry or partner with somebody
who matches that pattern because we are trying to make
sense of what happened to us. Now, if that relationship
is one where both people are committed to kind of
figuring those things out, that can be a really healing experience.

(42:08):
Because if we make us fictitionally married again, Mark, I
might bring my patterns to the table, and you can
hold them and you can help me or hold the
space while I work through them, and I close that
browser tab and then that piece of me kind of
comes back online. I get back one percent of my
energy because that tab is filed away, and if I

(42:32):
can hold that space for you, then your browser tabs
can get closed. That's best case scenario. That's what's called
marriage mastery, and that is available to all of us,
but quite a big muscle and skill building process to
genuinely be able to do that for your loved one
eighty percent of the time. I'm never going to say

(42:54):
one hundred percent of the time because that's just not realistic,
but eighty percent of the time that's where we're looking
at from a mastery perspective. So we all have those
And then I think where your question is going is
why do other relationships feel mundane? And a simple answer,
and not the only answer, but a simple answer is

(43:16):
a steady, healthy, good relationship might be coded as boring
because it doesn't pattern match to what the brain wants
to solve, and so that person doesn't connect in the
way or hold in that connection the way that perhaps
other people might wish they would. For us, or that
even some part of us wishes it would. It just

(43:39):
doesn't have enough magnetism because the brain really loves cleaning
itself up, and so those things don't compute. So that's
that part of the question. Then the other part of
the question you asked is, you know, when we first
get together, it's really exciting, and we're being married for
a long time. How do we recreate that excitement? And

(44:01):
that is a concept called limerence. Now, limerens only happens
up to two years into the relationship, and usually it
ends within nine to eighteen months, but it can go
as long as two years. And that's the bonding period
where there's a lot of serotonin, a lot of dopamine,

(44:22):
and that space is not sustainable for a relationship. And
once a relationship has been through that, those bonding chemicals
have bonded us to that person, we won't go through
that again like that, and nor are we supposed to.
So you and I've talked a little bit about the

(44:42):
seasons and ages and stages of life and transitions. Where
we want to phrase the question is not how do
I go back to that? But how do I go
forward to something that feels nourishing, uplifting, kind, connected, calm,
dynamic words that snake for the individuals, which again is

(45:03):
a tunement what's important to you, what kind of relationship
do you want to be in? And then from there
we start to look in that mastery space of what
do we need to do or build in order to
have access to that experience that you dream of?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Right, thank you for answering.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I know it was a difficult question answer, but visually,
like you know, the browsers, Like I'm looking at the
computer screen, I have browser windows open, right, and then
you get too much and then it just spends right,
you can't compute, can't compute, it's just too much. I
like how you broke that down? And did you say luminant? Luminance?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Am I saying that right? Say that one more time?

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
That attaches to it? Hang on Limerens.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yeah, Limerens, there's the word. I couldn't retrieve it just
then under pressure, I was like, what I say, lis
too many? Yeah, limeerates.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, And that's why I love doing these shows because
I learn a lot. And would you say that there's
something from your expertise? You know you always hear about
the seven year itch. You always hear about that seven
you know, and then you know, people either stay together
or don't. Is there any truth to that from a
psychology standpoint or from a you know, the brain is fascinating.

(46:17):
I've done many shows.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
We've talked and discussed about the brains, from neuroplasticity to
dopamine to mindfulness. Is there anything because you always hear
about the seven year itch? Seven years and then it
seems like people, you know, start to realize, Hey, I
don't want to be with this person anymore? Or is
there anything in your studies and you know, all the
education that you went through in your classes, did they
talk about that or did they give examples of that?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Look, seven years is not It's not nothing. But in
my n equals, I think I've worked with around five
thousand women, most of them have been together longer than
seven years, So I feel like there's probably a cultural
reference to that, which means it has some weight. But

(47:03):
I tend to work with people that have been together
twenty plus years to be honest, and there were really
working in those very complicated blocks of time. That is
a long period of time, and perhaps the cracks started
to show around seven years for example. But I don't
tend to get them at seven years. I get them

(47:24):
further down the line where it's really intricate and complicated.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Right, Yeah, And I thought I just asked that question
because I think you've nailed down the heads more of.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
A social which is people who pass that on.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
But I was just curious in your studies, if you know,
because you've studied a lot of the famous psychologists, and
you know, and psychology is just a fascinating topic. If
I had to do it over again, I would have
probably gotten my degree in psychology versus business management and communications.
But just for the sake of time, So through the chapters,
you will go to chapter four or chapter five, she
jumps to age thirty three, and it just continues on

(47:58):
this story. But from from the book, you know what
exactly is heartprint and how can someone reconnect if they
feel lost or disconnected in life and you know, to
get this book. What would you say to them as
they're going through because you said it's a book, it's
a story, but it's also a guide to help people
understand the many variances of the human experience and relationships.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
What would you say to that, Well.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
I would say that I'm going to make us twins now, Mark,
So no longer are we married. We're now moving into
identical twin territory. Okay, okay, identical Okay. So what that
means is that in utero, you and I share the
same blasticist that then split, so we have the same DNA,

(48:45):
we look the same, same height, can't really tell us apart,
and we went to the same schools, same family, same culture,
same language. You and I are the same on so
many levels, and yet our heart is going to be
completely different. And if we made ourselves identical triplets, for example,

(49:07):
you would then have the three of us being three
very different expressions of self. So nobody else is going
to be like you, and nobody else is going to
be like me. Even if we have so many things
that are identical, we're still going to have a different
expression of self. And so heart print is all about, well,
what's your expression of self? Because the thing is is

(49:30):
you never finish your exploration of self. You'll never get
it done. And that is a really exciting idea that
right across your life you're going to be learning and
discovering even more aspects of yourself. Now, the thing that's
most important about heart print is that threat of connection
back to your wise woman in the book, we call

(49:52):
her Elizabeth, and she is one of your translators of
whether the life you're living matches you're a heart essence
or not. And what we know is the greater the
connection your inside life, that your access to your heart print,
the way that matches your outside life. When we have

(50:13):
that coherence, that's where we have contentment, satisfaction, fulfillment. That's
where we have a sense that when I'm lovely and
old and I look back on my life that I've
done a good job. And when I've had that experience
of I've done a good job, that's when we know
we've left a good legacy for our loved ones. We've
left the world a better place than we found it

(50:35):
because we modeled a life that was true to us.
So we feel good about it, and we can exit
this plane of existence, this planet, knowing that what we've
left behind has left things exactly as we were kind
of born to be, or at least the seed or
the essence or the heart print of who we are

(50:57):
has been fully expressed, and that feels really wonderful. So
you can find my book on Bondsennoble dot com and
Amazon dot com. And if these are resonating with you,
then the invitation relentlessly is please listen to that inner
voice that says, oh, she's talking about something that's important

(51:18):
to me. Oh that's that's resonant for me. Then taking
a step towards doing that, that action is actually honoring
who you really are, and that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, in greater mind, that was one of the questions
I was going to have Ray here to cover that work,
and we get the book, and you know, for the
listeners out there, a lot of times when you listen
to these podcasts and these shows, you know, for.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Me, it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's like when I'm watching certain shows, I get what
I call the glimmers or those synchronosities or quinns, like, oh,
that's what I've been I've been asking about that, and
then I get the answers. You know, it's in the
universe worked with you in very mysterious ways, you know,
especially through the concept of Einstein who said this was
the most complex three and a half pound organism.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
In the universe.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So you know, you know, for your listeners out there
as you're getting these glimmers or these synchronicities of you know,
what Meg is sharing with us today, you know, get
her book and just for the you know, just for
the last part of the show here before we wrap up, Meg,
I want to give you an opportunity, maybe a practical step,
hold up your book in show us the cover, Why
the cover, and maybe a practical step of you know,

(52:24):
how people can move forward to that knowing themselves, to
know thyselves and that authenticity. Is the dog related to
you in any way?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Well, my friend has a dog of that breed, and
I also just think dogs are very good animal readers themselves.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Something a freaking amazing.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, I get that, and that's why I wanted to
show the cover. It's like a bottle of wine. I
always ask, you know, when I see a bottle of
the label of the wine, I'm like, tell me about
the story, because there's usually a story behind a book
cover a wine label, you know, in what we do,
but just for the last minute or so, just give us,
just give us some pract a practical step to help
people through this book, through your experiences and your storytelling.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
In a cup of tea with Meg.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Give us a practical step before we close and what
or who inspires you meg.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
So a practical step is to find where you are
in what I call heart mind body coherence. So that's
where you're really connected, because essentially that's where your wise
woman lives. So for me, every morning, when I make
a cup of tea just the way I like it,
and I get up early because I'm an early riser,

(53:36):
and in that sort of dark, dim space, I have
my cup of tea and I read my book and
I have my space that is me deeply connecting to
who I really am. And I guess what my invitation
first and foremost is what's your version of that? And
do you give yourself the gift of that experience as

(53:57):
often as you can? Because that can last ten minutes
for me, and sometimes it can last an hour depending
on who wakes up next in the household. That is
something I can sort of hang my hat on. It's
one of my grounding processes during the day. And if
we slice our day thinner, how often do we give

(54:19):
ourselves those experiences of a minute or two or twenty
minutes where it's us in coherence with ourselves, where we
can access that sense of belonging, contentment, satisfaction, connection to
our inner wisdom, because the more often we have access
to that, the longer we stay in that across our day. Now,

(54:41):
what happens is the longer that you stay in that
space of inner wisdom and coherence, the more likely you
are to build a life that matches who you are.
So we're looking at eighty percent of the time being
able to access that inner wise woman voice. Should you
need that space and that experience. And the thing is is,

(55:03):
once you've connected, you very much want to have that
because you make decisions that take you towards the life
and relationships of your dreams.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
That's what we want for everybody listening to the show today.
Meg Tooey, thanks for coming on. You can get the
book at megtoey dot com wherever the books are sold.
You can get the information off of our social media platforms.
Pleasure talking with you, my friend. Keep up the inspiring
work and the great encouraging, motivating work. If you read
another book, come on Inspired Living or we'll have another
soul adventure in a brilliant discussion.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
So thank you for being on Inspired Living today. Appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I've had a wonderful time. Thank you so much for
having me.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yep, put that hand over the heart the heart print
All right, listeners, as I always like to close the show,
thanks for tuning in, and then till our next sole
adventure together, be kind, be caring, be compassionate. Most importantly,
wherever you're out in this world, there to dream, there
to explore, there to live, discover the diamond within and
the many hidden gems around, and we will see you
next time you're on Inspired Living, or as I like

(56:03):
to say, I'm stay, no, I'm gonna go

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