Christian Zlonism & Dispensationalism REFUTED -Jay Dyer

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the first sight? Put it in my head, throw it
off the ground?

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in the subway.

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All right, what's up, welcome, It's time to get into
the nonsense. This is the issue that has taken over Twitter,
and we've been in the thick of it. We've been arguing.
We've been calling out then Desusa, Brada, where are you, Brada?
We tried to call you out, bra Da? You are
we called devasion, called you're not? Where do you go?

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Where you wish? Brad? Carriers? We even have booger. So
if you didn't see the NEAs, Desusa's got called out,
but he's terrified. He doesn't want have an actual debate.

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Shocker here gard So I called him a dispensational heretic

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because of course he is. And he didn't do very
well with this. This hurt his fee fees, and he
tried to come back and roast me. He said, you
are a comedian, you are a comedian, very body, Brada,
And I said, I co wrote one of the top

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comedic episodes this year that went viral. So this man
with five million Verizon cal Center bought followers even in
the comments gets ratioed. And then I race showed him
even more intently because I said, about the Sam Hyde episode, Uh,

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where is it at? You are this snack Trump?

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Who you?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Why are you gonna be calling somebody a snake charmer?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
If you.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
From India? Dog? Just stop and think about that for
a minute. How are you going to call somebody a
snake charmer from India?

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Do do do? Do do do?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Here's my zinger, I said, I helped write this about
the H one B Visas. I said, it's about your
work status, Danesh. And this got twenty one point six
million impressions. So Danish is not He was not on
his game this week, and in pure boomer fashion, he

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continued to flounder, continue to try to reply, and it
just turned into disaster after disaster. Now that's what sparked
all of today's discussion. I said, it's a ripe, perfect
time to get into this classic topic of refuting Christian

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Zionism and dispensationalism. And we're going to start with the scriptures.
Obviously not difficult to refute. This is a retorto heresy.
It is preposterous. It is going to be easy to refute.
How do we do that? Well, let's start with the covenants.

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Every one of the covenants is linked in a single person,
and I think you're going to notice who that is.
We're going to see as we work through each one
of these discussions and topics, how this all culminates in

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a specific person and his actions, and this will be
the ultimate refutation of dispensational heresies. Are you all ready
for this? Now? The first covenant is in the Garden

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of Eden, and God established in a relationship with man
and gave certain criteria and certain stipulations, and those sipulations
dependent upon Adam's obedience and what he would do as
to whether or not he would experience covenant blessings or
covenant cursings. Now, there's a pattern to these kinds of

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covenants throughout the Old Testament, and a lot has been
written on this. So I'm not going to rehearse a
whole lot of that because it's not super necessary for
our purposes. Today. We're going to talk about these patterns.
And the first is that it's pattern kind of on
along the lines of a Souzarain treaty of the ancient

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and Middle East, the ancient Near Eastern world, the suzerain
is the he's the king who makes a deal with
the vassal. In the Bible, these covenants are very similar
to the covenant agreements that exist in the cultures around
Israel in the Near East as well. So the king

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or the Lord basic promises, sometimes upon himself, sometimes upon
other things. The scriptures, there's actually a bunch of different versions.
There's a hand covenant, assault covenant, animal covenants, et cetera.
And in this case God is going to in some
of these cases do different things to symbolize and show

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forth different patterns and different ideas. So in Genesis, God
makes a covenant with Adam, and it is later stated
in the scriptures that it is a covenant relationship with Adam.
Even the word covenant is not immediately used in Genesis.
Later on the Minor Prophets, it does mention those are
some strong z impact right there. It does mention this

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relationship in a covenant way. It also mentions in Isaiah
that mankind, after rebelling, entered into a covenant with Death.
So if you're not in covenant with Adam or acume
me with Christ, you are kind of by default in
covenant with Adam and with Death, and Death is an angel.

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So all of these covenants are in some way personal.
They relate to the suzerain or the ruler that you
are covenanting with. Now we all know Adam and Eve
failed to keep that covenant in Genesis with God and
they were booted out. Now not too long after this, however,

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God begins the patterns of bringing man back to himself right,
And the first instance that we have of this restoration
is Genesis nine. And as you note, when we walk

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through these covenants, you'll notice that each one of these
covenants has a predictive typological fulfillment in the person of Christ. Obviously,
these are all about Christ. And we'll see that where
Paul says all the promises of God are yeay and
him promises, that refers to covenant promises. In other words,
the deal the relationship that God is establishing with man

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in all of these covenants. All of the covenants are one.
Sometimes New Testament writers like Paul will contrast elements of
say the Mosaic Covenant over against the New Covenant in Christ.
That does not mean that they are oppositional covenants and
that there are different plan bees that God has with

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his people. That is the central heresy of the schizophrenic
deity of dispensationalism, who keeps trying Plan B, Plan C,
Plan D, because it's a chopped up, schizo version of
history and there's no unifying factor in the person of Christ.
And there's no single people of God or city of God,
as sant Agustin wrote about throughout all of history, from

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Genesis to the end of the world, there's one city
of God. That is the people of God, that is
the covenant people of God. And it is only an
always is the Church, even in the Old Testament, is
the ecclesia, the Church, the called out people of God
in covenant with Him. And all of these people believe
in the Gospel. When I read this in the New Testament,

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when I myself was a young goober, retarded evangelical and
I believe in dispensationalism, I realized, wait a minute, the
Gospel was preached to Abraham, the Gospel was preached in
the wilderness. Well, then that means that it's the same
gospel at all times. And even though we have more
revelation than they had in Genesis or in the days
of the Judges, or whatever, it is still the same

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fundamental revelation about the person of Christ, and the only
difference is that they look forward to the coming of
the Messiah and we look back and await his second coming.
So God has a covenant with Noah. And as you know,
there are certain elements of this covenant that deal with,

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for example, the natural progression of the seasons. Right, we
get basically a providential covenant of nature. It is the
nooeic covenant that follows after the endemic covenant. So this
is the beginning of God restoring what was lost as
Adam and Eve are banished out of Eden, which was

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a spiritual metaphysical reality different than what they walked out
of when they came onto the earth after the fall.
In the Orthodox view via Romans eight, the fall affects
all of the cosmos and everything fundamentally is altered as
a result of this, leading to decay, entropy, death, animal death,

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plant death. All death comes from Adam's sin, and Adam
is falling upon the angelic sin because he covenanted with
the serpent. Genesis is not talking about a snake talking.
The text is talking about an angelic being in the
appearance of an angelic serpentine image. In the rest of

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the scriptures, when that serpentine image is used, it is
talking about a fallen angel. It is not talking about
an actual literal snake talking. And so when atheists come
to the text and so well, you do, dumb Christians
believe in talking sneaks. It's an angelic being. It's just
described as serpentine an image. And that's discussed in other

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passages where we're told that there are angelic beings like serpents.
I think they're called nephesh. No, there's there's a Hebrew
word of forgetting the name off the top of my head,
but there's a specific Hebrew word for what those beings are.
In this Covenant, you'll notice that God has Noah positioned

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as the head of a new household, a new humanity.
This is the church. That's why the Church is pictured
as a boat like Noah's arc. That's why this famous icon,
I'm a giant version of it at my house, the

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Ark of Salvation. This is Noah's boat. Noah's boat is
a type of the Church as a boat. And Jesus
is the ultimate Noah, just like Jesus is the new
Atom and that's how we know, for example, that Adam
was also in a covenant is second first Green is

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fifteen and second These as well talks about Adam's relationship
as the head of all humanity, and when Adam Philly
brought death upon all of his descendants, and then Christ
as the new Atom, brings life upon all of his descendants,
which is all of humanity in terms of their nature.
That doesn't mean everybody's a son of God. It just
means that all of the nature of man is resurrected
through recapitulation. Now, Jesus is then the new Noah in

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this covenant, and so everything that Noah is doing, everything
that you see happening in this Noiic covenant is a type.
Be fruitful and multiply. The fear of you will be
upon all of the animals, et cetera. Up, and this
is where we're first told that men can now eat animals.
Right before this, it was normative to eat vegetables because

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there was still a close proximity to the fall. This
is another reason why people had longer lifespans, is that
they're still relatively close temporarily speaking to the Edenic state.
But when outside of eden there are new stipulations, one
of which is the state. It is the first time

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that men are told not only can they eat animals
if the blood is removed, they can also now exact
the death penalty. And the death penalty is part of
the governance of man post fall. So it's actually a
good thing that God has established some role of the
state here. This is the first institution of a Christian

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state with the figure of Noah. And you'll notice that
at no point all the way up until Romans does
this idea of the death penalty, and at some role
of the state exacting that the death penalty go away.
It is simply a fiction, an invented nonsense reality that

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pacifists and other people have come up with that this
no longer matters, it doesn't apply. It consistently applies from
the time of Noah all the way until Romans thirteen.
But I think a lot of people don't even know
that Noah was given the right to exact the death penalty.
Whoever sheds man's blood, by man's blood, shall he be

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shed because it is an attack on the image of God.
To kill a person is to deface the image of God.
And thus I for not justice requires that that person
be put to death, because they are now not just
a defacer of the divine image by killing someone, they
are now also a murderer. And so it is just

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to put to death people who are now murderers. It
doesn't mean anyone can do this. It's not a I'll
do it. It is given to Noah here as the
head of this covenant. So Adam and even a covenant.
One grin these fifteen says that Adam was a type
of Christ, Eve, as a type of the Church, Eve,

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as a type of Mary many times over throughout the Bible.
As we move up into this, Peter says that they
were all baptized in the Paul says they were baptized
in the cloud, in the sea. Peter says that what
happened with Noah was a type You are now saved
by baptism. The baptism is the washing away of the
world of its filth. Here because humanity had defaced and

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defiled itself by turning to all kinds of wicked practices
the time of Noah. And so God saves Noah and says,
I will establish my covenant with you and all your
descendants after Ultimately, this is Christ. Christ is the true
Noah who saves us through the arc of the Church.

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The New Testament is very clear in that typological imagery.
God promises that he will never cut off the earth
with a flood, and the rainbow is the sign of
this covenant. It is an everlasting covenant, and it's also
for us something that demonstrates providence in nature. The signs

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and the seasons of the times will always continue until
the end of the world, when there is the conflagration,
which is the purifying of the universe with the divine energies.
Why do we say that there's no created fire of God.
God is not a creature. Paul says, Our God is
a consuming fire, which means that there's no created purgatory fire.

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There is only the uncreated divine energy that you see
in Leviticus nine or number twelve, when the cloud and
the pillar and so forth are theophanic manifestations. Theophanies are
not creatures. They're God in time and space. It's called
God in time and space. It is worshiped. It is
called the uncreated glory. To call that a creature is

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to be a stupid, tomistic heretic So the next covenant,
as you I'm sure know, is the Abrahma covenant. Abraham
was a pagan and his dad was an idol maker Terra.

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And then Abraham, here's the voice of God and converts.
He converts to the true God. God, of course saves
him by grace. Abraham is not saved by his works.
But notice that God appears to him. This is a theophany.

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The Lord said, Abraham, get out of your country to
your father's house, to landa that I will show you.
I will bless those that bless you, and all curse
those that curse you. Verse seven, the Lord appeared to Abraham,
to your seat, I will give this land. And Abraham

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went and moved there to the mountain east of Bethel,
and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and
Ai on the east. And there he built an altar
to the Lord and called upon the name of the Lord.
So notice in verse eight, after this theophany, Abraham erects
an altar. Noah also sacrificed when he came out of

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the arc, and there was the dove right. And so
Noah offers a sacrifice. Abraham offers a sacrifice. This is
liturgical worship. From the very beginning, God is worshiped with
an altar and with liturgy. There is never a time
when God does not accept worship through altar and liturgy.

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This alone refutes Protestant heretics, and it refutes Islam as
not in continuity with the Old Testament religion clear as date. Now,
that's not all that there is, because the Abrahmic Covenant
is a series of Theophanes restatements, reaffirmations, and promises. But

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I want you to remember that the original statement is
when you get to this land, you're going to be
protected and all the families of the earth will be
blessed in you. How are all the families of the
earth going to be blessed through one God? Is lineage?

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Hmm hmm.

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Turns out it's not actually that complicated, despite what all
the evangelical goobers want to say to make it complicated
and nonsensical. God says, I am your exceeding reward in
Genesis fifteen one. So the ultimate reward isn't even a
patch of land to Abraham. The ultimate reward is God himself,

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not a patch of land. What's the patch of land
gonna symbolize what we're going to see in Romans for
exactly what the patch of land symbolizes. Did you know
that the Bible explains itself. That's not solo scriptura, that's
just canonical interpretation. To say that other passages explain other

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passages is just part of the doctrine of inspiration. Has
nothing to do with solar scriptura. That's just how you
interpret a holistic, full revelation of Old and New Testament
working together. Here, you'll notice in Genesis fifteen in this theophany,
it is stated that the one who is the voice,

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and it's actually worded better in the septuagen because in
verse four it says the logos came to him. So
in Genesis fifteen four the logos came to him, the
voice came to How does a voice appear? How does
a logos appear to you? And in this situation, he's

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got a childless wife, but he's got another possible seed
that he could have through Hagar, and God says, no,
it's not going to be through Hagar, is going to
be through Sarah. But Sarah's old. How is that possible?
It's going to be a miraculous birth a miraculous birth.
Where have we heard this before? This is a type.

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This is looking forward to. It's foreshadowing the virgin birth,
the ultimate miraculous birth. And throughout the Old Testament there
are many miraculous birds. Those are anticipatory. They're preparing for
the miraculous birth of the Messiah, the one who is
the seed that fulfills all of these promises. How will
I know that I will inherit this land? Well, God says,

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cut up these animals, puts them in a trance, and
God moves through like smoking oven and lamps of fire
Verse seventeen. God appeared like a burning torch. That's the
uncreated fire. God is an all consuming fire. That's a
theophanic manifestation. God is not a torch, but he appeared

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like a torch and a smoking oven. This is the
burning presence of God. This is a theophany. And if
you read Ezekiel, it actually explains what that light and
torch imagery is. In Ezekiel one thirteen, it reads, when

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he sees the likeness of the cherubim, the living creatures.
As for the likeness of these creatures, their appearance was
like burning coals of fire. Some of them say torches,
burning lights. Now you say, well, wait a minute, Ezekiel's
talking about cherubim. I thought you were saying that this
was God himself. It is because when you read Ezekiel,

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and we have a whole podcast on this, this is
the presence of the spirit amongst the wheels or the cherubs.
What is this fire? Well, it turns out Ezekiel tells
you what this is. This is one like a son
of Man riding the chariot. It's a throne chariot. The
living creatures are the chariot that the logos the Son

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of Man rides. That's Ezekiel one through ten. Go watch
my podcast on that. That's not what we're doing today.
But I'm just telling you that, showing you that the
Bible interprets the Bible. The burning coals, the divine presence,
the torches, the lights, it's the same thing happening in
Genesis seventeen with fifteen excuse me, with Abraham. So it's

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going to be a miraculous birth. It's going to be
a seed that somehow reaches all the people of the earth.
God renames him here in the third statement of the
Covenant in Genesis seventeen, I will give you the land
of Canaan as an everlasting possession. Oh does that prove dispensationalism. Well,

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at this point we want to look at Romans four. Therefore,
this descendant, this descent of being in child of Abraham,
is a upon all those who have faith and through

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grace are in this covenant. For is written I've made
your father many nations in the presence of God, in
whom Abraham believed, who gives life to the dead, and
calls those two things which were not so. This is
a miraculous sonship and birth. So will your descendants be.
And though he did not consider though not being weak

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in faith, he did not consider his own body already dead.
He did not waver the promise of God, but was
strengthening faith, and he became the heir. Right. If you
read Romans for, you'll notice that the miraculous presence in
the womb of this child, even though Sarah was advanced

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in age, this actually refers to the miraculous birth that
we experienced through faith. It's not just the seed, it's
also we are reborn as new seeds. Right in Romans five,
we are told that the gift is actually reigning through

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Christ through faith, and it is the whole world that
is the taking of the land. So the typology of
Canaan being taken by the Jews is fulfilled in the
Church taking the whole land of the earth. The meek
shall inherit the earth. Promise to Abraham is you'll be

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given this land of Canaan. That is a type of
the Church taking over the world through the Gospel. Everything
happening in these covenants is typologically fulfilled in the New
Covenant in the First Advent. So all of the evangelical
dispensational heresies will prolong and postpone all the realities that

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Christ brought at the First Advent. Why because they are
ecclesiological heretics. They don't understand the filment of these promises,
not just in the person of Christ and his work,
but in his Church, which is his mystical living body
in time and space. And that's why they were all
severed from the historic Church. Now people think that there

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are no stipulations to the Braemi Covenant. That is not
actually true. God says, you will keep my covenant and
your descendants after you throughout their generations. This is the
covenant that you will keep. You will do this, you
will be circumcised, et cetera. Circumcision is a type of
baptism which is a symbol in part of the circumcision

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of the heart and the transformation of the inner man
by the Holy Spirit. It is wrong to divorce that
from the actual ritual that we do, and that's why
Jesus says you must be born of water and spirit.
That's why Acts two says repent and be baptize for
the remission of sins, and they immediately water baptize people.
That's why it is called the labor of regeneration. All

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of the Gnostic Baptist heretics divorce the work of the
Holy Spirit from the physical matter, and that's why they
don't have sacraments. They revert to an Old Testament idea
of what the rights are. So in other words, in
their position, it's a retrograde movement to go from typological
Old Testament rights to more typological rights. In other words,

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the rights don't do anything now other than what they
did in the Old Testament. Baptism is no different than
circumcision for these people, but in the New Testament the
realities are here. Because the Son of God has joined
himself to matter to flesh, and he uses bread and
wine and water because the Holy Spirit is joined then

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to those elements. And every heresy is a deviation from
that reality that the old Old Testament types are pointing to.
They all want to go back to Old Testament rights.
That's why Protestantism as a whole is ultimately a judaizing heresy,

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especially when it comes to its sacramentology. So and in
Genesis twenty two we have another statement about the stipulation
when Jesus steps in and stops Abraham from even giving
up his son in this period of testing. But you'll

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notice he says, since you have not withheld your only son,
all of these things I will give to you. This

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is another restatement of the Covenant. So you notice see
that Abraham is consistently done faithful covenantal actions. It doesn't
mean he's sinless. He has committed sins, He's not a
there's nobody sinless, but he has continued to be faithful
to the Covenant, which even makes provision for sin. So
there was never an expectation that anyone could be sinless

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by keeping the Covenant. Right, Okay, and by the way,

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you'll notice that for its first eighteen roilment, right in
your seat, all the nations of the earth will be
blessed because you obeyed what I said. So notice that
obedience is still even part of the Abramic covenant. This
disproves the product distance who will say, oh, the Abramic
Covenant was all about no works at all. Right, you

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don't do any works. That's only one sided covenant. And
that's why Paul uses Abraham as the model of justification.
But as we pointed out many times in Romans four,
Paul doesn't cite Genesis fifteen. He's excuse me. He cites
Genesis fifteen, but he should have cited Genesis twelve, because
according to the Protestant idea, Abraham would have been saved

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in Genesis twelve. That's when he would have been transitioned
out of wrath into grace. So that refutes Protestanism in
terms of Soli feede all right. Next, of course, is
the Mosaic covenant in Exodus nineteen. And of course Moses,

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just like Abraham, is a type of Christ who is
the seed. Well, the seed is Jesus. According to Galatians
three in Galatians four and Romans three and four. So
we know that Jesus is the Seed and the Abramic Covenant,
and so what Jesus brings is the fulfillment of the
promises to Abraham. Now what does Jesus bring The opening
up of the covenants to the Gentiles, which is prophesied

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in dozens and dozens of Old Testament passages, from the
Psalms to Isaiah to the minor prophets, many many, many
times over. We did a whole talk on this years
ago about how the prophecies are just messianic prophecies, there
are also ecclesiological prophecies. In other words, the Church is
also a massive element of the fulfillment of all these
Old Testament passages of the Gentiles being brought into the Covenant.

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When you understand that, that means that the Church of
History is the fulfillment of these things. The Church of
the first thousand years is not Protestant. Therefore, the Church
of History is not the Protestant Church, and is the
Orthodox Church that fulfills these promises. In the Mosaic Covenant,

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you have God making a promise to the nation of
Israel that if they keep these these laws and these
sacrifices and whatnot, they will be blessed in the land.
God will prosper them and so forth. And it is
confirmed with blood sacrifice. Now, the New Covenant in Christ

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is the ultimate fulfillment of this because the passover the
High Priest, all of those elements of this mosaic Covenant,
according to the Book of Hebrews, are all explained as
fulfilled in the work of Christ. And even the High
Priest when he goes in on the day of Atonement
and he atones for the people at the ark of
the Covenant at the mercy seat, that is explained by

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Hebrews seven to be when Jesus went into in the
ascension the Holy of Holies in the Third Heavens and
cleanse the way in our nature for us. So even
the High Priest walking into the Holy of Holies on
the day of Atonement is fulfilled in Jesus sending into
the Tabernacle in Heaven. This covenant, as we read the
Book of Hebrews, is confirmed with blood. The New Covenant

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is confirmed in the blood of the High Priest himself,
the son of God. That's why Jesus is prophet, priest
and King. And that's why this icon actually teaches you
that All of Orthodox iconography teaches you our theology. So
when you see this picture of Jesus as the Great
High Priest, is that right there that is teaching you

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that He fulfills the triplicity of roles of the Old
Testament prophet, priest, and king. All of those roles, the
Old Testament prophets, the Old Testament priests, the Old Testament
kings all point to Jesus. Did you know that in

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terms of the kingship, we look at Second Samuel seven,
and this is the covenant that God makes with David.
David is the next great typological figure that God makes
a covenant with, which obviously points directly to Christ. Because
once again we are told, through the seed of David,

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God will build a house. This great house will bless
all the nations, and it will be through his descendant
that this righteous seed comes. Now, remember, even Jews believe
that all of these prophecies and predictions are of the Messiah.
They just don't think it's Jesus. So all of Jewish theology,

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at least Messianic Jewish theology and classical Jewish theology, still
believes that this is talking about the Messiah. They just
don't think it's Jesus. But that's why the New Testament
is so adamant to stress that Jesus is the descendant
of Abraham and David, because the promise is to David,

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I will establish an eternal kingdom, an eternal house. My
house will be through your son, and all of your
sons will be my sons. Once again, just like with Abraham,
it's not lineal descent, physical descent that is the ultimate
determiner of this. There is a biological aspect in that

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Jesus really was the biological descendant of Abraham of David,
and then he comes right to fulfill those promises. But
it's also spiritual in that it has opened up to
the Gentiles, and thus the Gentiles come into the Orthodox Church,

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which is the spiritual Israel. It is that simple. There
is no other church in history in the first thousand
years of Christianity other than the Orthodox Catholic Church. Therefore,
it is the fulfillment of all these promises. And if
other things deviate or go away, well, guess what happens.

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Covenant sanctions? What are covenant sanctions? Well, if we go
back to Deuteronomy, God told the Israelites there are certain

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blessings in this relationship that we have, and in many
passages throughout the Old Testament, God's relationship to Israel is
pictured as a husband and a wife, as a man
and his bride. Israel is the bride of God. That
imagery comes to fulfillment in Christ. The Messiah Israel incarnate.
Jesus is Israel incarnate out of Israel. I've called my

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son speaking of Jesus as Israel. The Church is the
bride of Jesus, the bridegroom. There are covenant sanctions and
covenant blessings, just like with all the covenants. If Abraham
was disobedient, then he would not have inherited those promises.

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He was obedient through an active, living faith. That's why
Paul says in Galatians, faith working through love is what counts,
not empty dead faith, as James says. And so James
and Paul are in harmony because Protestants don't read the
rest of Galatians where Paul says that it has to
be a faith working through love. So Paul's very clear

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what he means by a saving faith. It's the same
thing James means Protestants just divorced this and create their
own fictional legal categories to justify their stupid heresy. There's
Covenant blessings and cursings. If you disobey, you get cursings.
If you obey, you get blessings. Now, it is true
that at the time of the Mosaic Covenant, the emphasis

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was on the physical, temporal blessings. Even still though at
this time there are spiritual blessings, but God was utilizing
temporal a temporal focus to each a spiritual pedagogical lesson.
So even then they were supposed to understand you circumcisee

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your heart. That's why Jeremiah says, circumcise your heart. That's
not invented in the New Testament. Jeremiah said that, in
other words, even then circumcisis were supposed to teach you
that it's the inner man that has to be changed.
The only difference between the Covenant blessings here and what
happens now is that the emphasis shifts. Whereas it was

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emphasized temporally at the Mosaic period, now that we're in
the New Covenant, the emphasis switches to the spiritual emphasis.
It still doesn't even mean that there's no temporal emphasis
or blessing. If you're blessed, it's still from God.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
How do I know this?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Where am I getting this blessings and cursings?

Speaker 10 (58:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Did you notice that when Jesus talks to the seven
churches in Asia Minor, it's the same setup. It's blessings
and cursings based on your disobedient in the New Covenant.
If you obey, you will overcome. I will give you this.
This this For example, those that claim to be Jews
but are the Synagogue of Satan, they will you will get.

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They will be humiliated before you if you obey me
to the compromising Church of Pergamos. If you do not repent,
I will come against you and fight against you with
the spirit of my mouth, the sword of my mouth,
again showing that the idiot premillennial view that the sword

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that precedes out of his mouth is not the Second Coming.
It's the Covenant, curses and blessings in the preaching of
the Gospel, even in the Book of Revelation itself. However,
if at Pergamos you are faithful, I will give you
of the hidden Manna. I will give you a white stone.
You will get certain blessings for obedience. If you are disobedient,

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you will undergo the curses. Blessings and curses in the
New Testament applied to the churches, the New Covenant people.
In other words, it's the bride bridegroom relationship, and it's
covenantal and it's blessings and cursings based on whether you're
faithful or unfaithful to the covenant. It is no different,

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same relationship. Notice here, if you do not repent and
continue to do the things that you're doing over here
at Thia Tyra, I will come against you with disease
and death, Jesus saying I'm gonna come kill you, not

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physically directly, but he will send a disease and death
the same way he sent disease and death on the
disobedient Israelites bopr. Exactly what Deuteronomy said. If you disobey,
you get death and curses. If you obey, you will win.

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You will dominate your enemies, and perhaps even in this life.
That's why the Church was so powerful and victorious for
so many years and for so many centuries. And then
when you become like the world, you undergo covenant cursings
and you are weak and you are trampled on. You
can either dominate your opponents through divine power if you're faithful,

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or you will be dominated and perhaps even killed. This
is no different than the blessings and cursings of Deuteronomy.
It's just a difference of emphasis. In fact, you're even
worn that which one is it? One of them says,
he says, I will take away your lampstand, so you

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won't even be in the covenant anymore. You will be
removed blessings and cursings. Revelation two and three applied identically
the same as Deuteronomy and limitic at twenty six. Now
again the emphasis is different, so it is more spiritually focused. Now,
but you'll notice, did Jesus say, oh, I will not

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come with physical death. No, he said physical death and sickness.
Paul says, if you come to the Eucharist and you
eat unworthily, some of you are now dead physical death
through transgressing, transgressing the covenant the covenant meal duh, So

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what does this mean? This means that the Church is Israel.
It is the true Israel. Paul calls it the Israel
of God Galatians six sixteen as many as you walk
according to his rule his teaching, Peace be upon you
and upon the Israel of God. The Church is the

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Israel of God. In fact, Jesus makes this so abundantly
clear in Matthew twenty one in the parable, it's kind
of amazing that anyone doesn't believe this. When the owner
of the vineyard comes, what will he do to the
vine dressers? That's the Jews. Now he will destroy them.

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Have you not read the scripture? The stone that the
builders rejected, Jesus is the stone the Jews are rejecting
him has become the cornerstone. Therefore, the Kingdom of God
will be taken from you and given to a nation
producing the first threat. That's the Gentiles. He's just using
the word nation to symbolize or reference all of the

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other gentiles that would come in. This nation that he's
talking about is his kingdom, the Church, wherein he says you,
my apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve
tribes of Israel. That's the Church Romans eleven. Wait a minute,

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but what about promises to Jews and the Old Testament Israelites.
Salvation has come upon the gentiles to eventually provoke Jews
to convert. That's the whole point. If Jews failing in
their mission means that salvation is opened up to the Gentiles,

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well how much better will it be when they convert?
How that is and when that is we don't know,
but they will convert. We're told that. Paul says, I'm
speaking to gentiles because I am an apostle to the gentiles.
If the casting away of the Jews out of the
Covenant results providentially in the reconciling of the Gentiles to God,

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then what will it be when they accept Christ except
life from the dead. For if the first fruit is holy,
the lump is holy, the root is holies for the branches,
some of the branches are broken off so that Gentiles
could be grafted in. That is not dual covenant. That
is one tree, one branch, one covenant, and grafted in

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or grafted out. That the imagery refutes dual covenant theology,
heresy of dispensationalism. You Gentiles and Rome will say, but
the Jewish branches were broken off, that I could be
grafted in. Okay, but do not be arrogant, but fear
if God did not spare the natural branches, he may

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not spare you. Oh wait a minute, I thought the
Church of Rome is indefectible. Isn't it interesting that providentially
Paul gives us warning too. The Church of Rome, which
became haughty and ended up rejected. Rome had its lamp
stand removed, exactly as was predicted for the other churches
in Revelation that are disobedient. Paul is providentially saying this

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to the Church at Rome, that they will be haughty
and arrogant. Beware if you continue Church of Rome in
God's goodness, otherwise you will be cut off. Oh but
wait a minute. Did Paul not know about Vatican One
that it's impossible for the Roman see to defect. It
can never be cut off. How ridiculous is Roman Catholic

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nonsense theology? In regard to what Paul says, clear as day,
blindness has happened to the Jews until the fullness of
the Gentiles comes in. And then he goes on to
say that in God's providence there will be a conversion

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of the Jews and they will come to Christ. How
and when that is we don't know, but God will
remove the veil over their heart at some point, and
the Church father's comment on this and almost all of
than to talk about this admit, yes, there is a
future conversion of the Jews. So there's a lot of
dumb heresies to avoid here. We're not pre millennialists, we're

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not pre triped goobers. We don't worship the socialist nation
state of Israel, which is founded as an atheistic, pantheistic,
nonsense state. It's a geopolitical entity, doesn't have anything to
do with this. Jews as a people group, as a
religious people group, well, at some future point become Orthodox Christians.

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How and when we don't know, but Paul is saying
that that will happen in the future when the Gentiles
have finished coming in, and I think this might even
This is my speculation, so don't quote me on this
as all jays and things. He's a church faver. My
speculation is that the largely majority Gentile church will actually

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apostatize and at some point the Jews will be grafted
back in as converts to Orthodox Christians. That's my speculation.
I could be wrong, but it seems to line up
with the patterns that Paul talks about here. Now, all
of that is one hundred percent contrary to the dispensationless narrative.

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For example, there are many passages that talk about and
we'll look at a couple of them, God enforcing the
covenant sanctions to divorce Israel. Now, wait a minute, how
does God keep his promise of I will never leave you,
forsake you. You are Israel, I will always love you,
you are my beloved, et cetera, et cetera, but also
prophecies and predictions of the divorce of Israel. Hmmm, what

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we saw on Matthew twenty one forty three, Jesus is
referring to that divorce. The Kingdom of God will be
taken away from you. Oh man, how long was that muted?

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Sometimes I hit that button? How long was that mute? Twenty? Okay, Well,
basically I just argue that Jeremiah thirty one, I'll clip
this and you can clip it out in the edit.
Jeremiah thirty one talks about a new covenant, and it's
a covenant on the heart, and it is not like

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the Covenant with Moses, and Jeremiah thirty three refers all
to the Abrahamic and the Noek and the Davidic all together.
Other and it says that David will have a descendant
called the Lord our Righteousness, who will sit on the throne.
So my argument was that, wait a minute, when did

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God fulfill this promise to David in Jeremiah thirty three
that there would never lack a descendant of David on
the throne. After seventy a d there have been no
Davidic Jewish kings. So did God fail in this promise?
If you are a Christian, this is fulfilled in the
ascension of Christ, Christ ascended Psalm one ten, Sit in

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my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool.
Thus there has never lacked a descendant of David on
the throne because the Lord our Righteousness ascended and sat
on the truth throne. Do you understand what we're saying?

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The Lord said to my Lord, sit in my right
hand until I make your enemies your footstool. The Lord
will send the rod of your strength out of Zion
rule in the midst of your enemies. That is the Church.
You didn't know that. Where does the New Testament cite
when the When the New Testament cites Psalm one not anymore?

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
H Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
I didn't realize some people are saying Psalm one ten
is the most quoted in the New Testament. I actually
know that, but it's many times over. You'll notice it
is referring to the ascension. Sit sit am I right
in until make your enemies your footstool. All the evangelical
heretics and goobers postpone that to the end of the world. Oh,

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that's when Jesus comes back, It sets up his timple,
and we have animal sacrifices again, and we have a millennium.
Then why does the Book of Acts cite this about
the ascension? What are you talking about? And Acts two

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thirty four and thirty five David did not ascend into
the heaven. The Lord said it, my lord, sit in
my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Therefore,
let all the house of Israel know that God has
made Jesus Lord. So Psalm one ten is not the
end of the world, it's the ascension. Do you know

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what the ascension is? I mentioned the processes. Don't even
know what we're talking about. That's when Jesus ascended after
the resurrection, the beginning of the you never read it's
beg of the Book of Acts. What are you talking about?

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How am I getting Protestantism wrong? I was a Protestant,
I went to Protestant Bible college, Protestant seminary. I'm not
getting anything wrong about Protestantism. I know it better than
you do. I guarantee you. Jess White, what's up? Became
a member Oul Josh became a member and gifted memberships

(01:19:33):
Hauling the Goods twenty dollars. Thank you for the content.
I was Chris made of the serving Orthodox Church. Jay,
Thank you appreciate that, super chat. Glad to hear that
you were Chris mated. It was your debates against the
Protestants that actually converted me to Orthodoxy. That's good to hear.
Man many years Nick. He gifted five memberships Narissa, twenty dollars.
Gotta go, gotta go do it. This is entertaining. Thank you.

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Three days Deep became a member AI World Championship. Became
a member, Alex. What's up? Did you watch Fearless Truth
to Bait Jake the Mutah Physician. Not yet. I've been
on the road doing events and whatnot. Haven't had any
time for that, but I will look at it. Narissa
Jones ten dollars where do you find all these fire jams?

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I just whatever popped up in the algorithm that I
found that I found that I could use. But thank
you so much, Haley. In the chat ten dollars, what's up?
Josiah Eleround twenty dollars, Austin Alvarez five dollars stubborn dispensationless
refute Jay by saying, no, uh, I mean, I've never
had an actual decent dispensations call in. Does do you

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do one of you want to call in? I mean,
so the problem with the new microphone is that if
you touch it, it has a censor based touch thing,
and I can't actually see on the other side of it.
So if I if my hand grazes it, it will
mute anyway. At least we're not having all the choppy audio, right.

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At least the audio is good. Bobby c says, if
you get protestantsm wrong because you're committing the mute fallacy.
Caleb of ten dollars. I was raised Baptist, and I
was taught that the circumcision where baptism were done to
show the world our faith, not that there were any
interaction with Christ. Yeah, I know, I mean I was

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raised Baptist. Bro I know Peter said, repent to be
baptized the name of Jesus Christ for the mission of
your sins, and you will receive the spirit. This promise,
this is the covenant promise of Abraham is to you
and your children. And they guess what. Immediately after that,
a bunch of people get baptized in water. Three thousand

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people were water baptized that day. So there's no need
to complicate things that are not actually complicated. Ah, Brosey,
five dollars. I'm a paulologizing now for all the times
that I've tagged you and the apply to James Lindsay,
the Babylon b the Nash. I mean, they're never going
to debate. I've been trying forever. I've asked Lindsay for

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years to debate. It's broseie five dollars. People in the
chat don't use Elon's platform. I want you to understand
Jay's not lying when you said that nobody accept the
debate on this topic.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
I mean we were like going back and forth with
Danesh Desuzo and he won't debate because their page shows Dude,
I mean it's not even like it's everybody knows this.
Now that these people are like, I mean, let me
just show you how ridiculous this is. Let's go to
John Hagen. I mean, there's a lot more that could

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be said on you know, biblical covenant and lectures. We're
gonna have to move on to the dispensations, so we're
never gonna get to it. All of that sets the
stage hopefully to show you that the New Testament.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Uh, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Paul says, it's secretly is one twenty. All the promises
of God, that's covenant promises are yes in Christ. So

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it's one covenant. They're all in Christ. It's not chopped
up into seven different schizo plans. For example, the dispensationalists
goofball teaching, and I mean, just look at the face
of this dude, who is the dispensational representative here? Exactly

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what you would expect. The plan of God in history
is chopped up into a bunch of different Plan B,
Plan C, Plan D, et cetera. God created man, and
he gave a covenant of works with Adam, and Adam failed,
and so God established this next covenant called the Covenant

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of Conscience with canaan Abel who knows where Darby and
Schofield got this. They just made it up. That failed,
and so they gave Noah the covenant of human government.
That's what you heard me referring to. With Noah having
the ability to exact the death penalty. That didn't do well,
and so God called out Abraham and gave him a promise.
And the promise of Abraham is a one sided, not

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works based covenant, a covenant of grace. And that's contrasted
to the covenant with Moses, which is a covenant of works.
And so some dispensation. Let's actually believe that you could
be saved by doing good works and keeping the Mosaic Covenant.
That's that stupid. But what they don't realize is that
Paul says that the Gospel was preached to Abraham Glatians

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three eight Scripture for seeing that God would justify the
Gentiles by faith, preach the Gospel to Abraham, saying in
you all the nations shall be blessed. That means, contrary
to what idiot Trent Horn said, they actually believed in
the Trinity. They actually believed in Jesus. There's no way
to be saved other than Jesus. The only difference is
that Abraham didn't just look forward to him. I mean

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he did, but Abraham knew him. Because when you study
the Theophanes and you understand that Abraham is eating with Jesus,
now you see, oh, that's how he worships the Trinity.
He met Jesus in person. In fact, that is the
Orthodox Catholic teaching. Trent Horn doesn't even know that his

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stupid heresy of denying the belief in the Trinity in
the Old Testament makes him an Aran and a Muslim.
What does sat Maximus say? Same Maximus Confessor taught that
Abraham believed in and worshiped the Trinity. God appeared to Abraham,
who was perfetent knowledge and who already possessed an intellect

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completely beyond matter ins figurations. God taught him that the
immaterial principle of the Trinity, and here's in the principle
of its unity. For this reason, God to appeared to
Abraham as three and spoke as one. We've done countless
lectures on the Theophanes and the Trinity in the Old Testament,
and if you don't get it at this point, you're
not gonna get it. Go watch my videos on that.

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Now back to the dispensations. Well, these things kept failing,
and so once the law covenant failed, God decided to
bring a covenant of grace for Gentiles. I'm owner to
the Covenant of Grace. Wait a minute, something is sounding
fishy here. Did you know that John Hagy wrote a
book that Jesus is not a child? No, but Jesus

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is not shi Yes, you heard me right. Listen.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
I'm delighted to present my latest book, in Defense of Israel.
This book will have the sins of the fathers and
the vicious abuse of the Jewish people, and Defense of
Israel will shape Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the
Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah.
It will also prove that Jesus did not come to
Earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there

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was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the High Priest, and
Herod to execute Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Do you hear that Jesus is not the Messiah? I think,
by the way, there was rumors that allegedly he even
had to pull this book because it was so controversial.
But I don't know if you did or.

Speaker 11 (01:27:35):
Not as an insurrectionist, too dangerous to live. Since Jesus
refused by word indeed to claim to be the Messiah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Did you hear that this idiot actually said Jesus refused
to claim to be a Messiah. And there are millions
of people that believe this idiotic heretic It's kind of unreal.

Speaker 11 (01:27:58):
How can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was
never offered? Read it in the shocking explosa and defense
of his reay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
That is dispensationalism in its essence right there now. As
you saw here, the last Covenant is the the thousand
year kingdom after the tribulation. So none of this exists
anywhere in church history except in Schofield and Darby and

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their heretical study Bible. And in fact even mainline academia
has actually studied Untermeyer's financing of Schofield and the rise
of the of Christian Zionism. And a great article on

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this that you can read is James Pearloff, who has
been writing about this for about ten years now. James
Pearloff wrote a great piece. It's a chapter in one
of his books, but it goes into quite a lot
of detail about the history of Schofield being promoted for

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the British imperial interest, with the establishment of the nation
state of Israel, with the Balfour Declaration. All of that
comes up, the funding from Samuel Untermeyer, which I've talked
about as well for a long time. And I mean
we've done many many podcasts on this. This is not
even really this is shouldn't be controversial. It should be

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pretty well known by now. There's also if you look,
if you want more detail on Scofield himself, Father John
Whiteford and Buck did a dispensational talk here. It's really good.
No Jews I can say. I would say, go check

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out the heresy of dispensationalism with Father John Whiteford and
bub Johnson up here at Counterflow. I'll put this in
the chat for you. And although today we focused a
lot more on the biblical continuity of the covenants, that
will actually go a lot deeper into Schofield himself and
how he was a con man and all this nonsense

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behind him. But I want to also remind you guys
that man I can't type what is the Kingdom of God?

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In Luke seventeen twenty one, Jesus says, they will not
say see here or see there, For indeed the Kingdom
of God is within you. When he talked to Peter,
he said, blessed are you, Simon Barjona. Right on this rock,

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I will build my church, and the gates of Hell
will not prevail against it. I will give you the
keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Peter has an office
of exercising the keys of the Kingdom. How is this
possible if the Kingdom is a two thousand year later,
three thousand year later future reality. Obviously, the Kingdom is

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the Church. It is identified as the Church many times over.
The Kingdom is the Church. It is the Holy Nation,
the royal priesthood one Peter two. It is the new
Jerusalem coming down out of heaven that Paul says is
a present reality in Galatians four. We are the children

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of Promise, like Isaac, the children of the Jerusalem above,
the heavenly Jerusalem, Mother Church right there, the Mother of
us all Galatians four twenty six. Mother Church, present reality,

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not an eschatological, end times postponed thing. Now, it's an
already not yet, it's not in its fullness in the
sense of like evil being destroyed and all that. But
it has come in its reality and in its power
in the Church. Thus, if you want to see the

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Kingdom of God, did you know you can go down
the road and see it. This is the fountain of Immortality.

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It is then of God on earth.

Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
Right here the sacrifice is being made. Priest exhorts us
to give thanks to God for the whole world, for
the past, in the present, for all that has taken place,
and for all that will take place in the future.
This thanksgiving of ours liberates us from earth and transports

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us to Heaven, transforms us from humans into angels.

Speaker 10 (01:33:25):
To Christianity. By her eunuch servant, she had this space
built in the cemetery her family owned. We can clearly
see the sanctuary where the altar would have been as
separated from the nave, indicating a purpose that is set
aside or holy for those who ad minister there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Everyone who is new to all this should watch the
Orthodox Shahada documentary, the classic that Kai and Lewis put
together over here at Orthodox Shata. It is an absolutely
necessary watch because it connects the churches reality based, heavenly
based worship, which is what John is seeing in Revelation

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five through nine, which we have covered ad nauseum, when
John looks into heaven and he sees in chapters five
through nine, vestiments and liturgy and incense, and the prayers
of the saints being offered by the angels, and the
martyrs under the altar, praying for the Church on earth,
and the Lamb slain bleeding in heaven, et cetera. All

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of those things are images that are the reality that
we have in the Orthodox Christian worship. That's our view,
that's our interpretation. It's not all at the end of
the world. The end of the world is now. That's
why the New Testament, the Book of Acts says what
Joel's describing as the last Days has come upon us

(01:34:50):
at Pentecos and Acts two, it.

Speaker 10 (01:34:55):
Is speculated that there would have been some form of
curtain or veil across the same to emphasize this separation.
Then we can see the bishop's throne, which has its
mirroring in the seat of Moses as the seat of
the one who is highest in honor.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
So you know, under saying that this is all out
of the Old Testament. All of these idiots, the Muslims,
the Protestant evangelical iconoclastic heretics. They think this is all pagan.
They're totally ignorant of their own text, not realizing that
all this comes out of the Old Testament.

Speaker 10 (01:35:24):
As well as the inheritance of an ecclesiastical authority. Matthew
twenty three, verses one to two might give us an
indication of the existence of this tradition. Where Christ speaks
of the Pharisees who sit in the seat of Moses
and requiring obedience of the people to them, we will
note the beamer has retained its place, now called the ambon.

(01:35:47):
Here we see the contracted form, but in this three
D recreation of the original Hagia Sophia cathedral design we
see a much larger ambon located in the center of
the nave, from which the readings of the sacred Text
would be done. Here is a clip from a synagogue
of a rabbi bringing the Torah out from the arc,
followed by a clip of another rabbi reading the Torah,

(01:36:08):
and then a clip of another rabbi showing the Torah
to the congregation after the reading. Unfortunately, they have to
be three different chopped up clips because it was extremely
difficult to find even remotely decent quality footage of traditional
synagogue worship.

Speaker 9 (01:36:39):
As in Show My Bed or where is mav.

Speaker 8 (01:36:48):
Of Co.

Speaker 12 (01:36:48):
Moderately keep the tora straight and lift it up high,
show it to the entire congregation, turning both to your
right and then to your left.

Speaker 10 (01:37:01):
I will now show a clip from an Orthodox church
which follows the exact same pattern. The Gospel is brought
out of the arc or altar in the sanctuary, the
readings are done at the ambon, and then the Gospel
is shown to the congregation in a blessing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Form to worship it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
Come back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
At Jesus after some days.

Speaker 10 (01:37:51):
Just for a brief aside, this video is not intended
or purposed to defend the validity of having images in
the church. However, I would like you to look at
this image of the Duo Europos Synagogue, and we can
clearly see that there are many images and depictions of

(01:38:12):
Old Testament events within the synagogue along the walls. These
would be in effect icons. Now I would like to
quote from Louis Boulleer's page twenty seven. He says the
following quote. When the Duo Europos Synagogue was discovered and
its frescoes could be admired. It seemed to be an

(01:38:33):
exception in contradiction to Jewish iconoclasm. Actually, as Eleazar Sukenik
in his study on the ancient synagogues shows, the Duo
Europos Synagogue is an exception only because of the unique
preservation of its decor, but in practically all of the
ancient synagogues there are vestiges of a very similar decoration,

(01:38:54):
we must conclude. He emphasizes that it was only at
a late date, and out of an undoubted reaction against Christianity,
that the synagogues came to forbid any figurative ornamentation unquote. Again,
we see that God does care about these things, since
he goes into such elaborate detail and even warns that
if the priests do not wear certain items of clothing

(01:39:15):
upon ministering, that they will die. We will also note
that God spares absolutely no expense when it comes to
making his worship lavish and beautiful. Christian use of vestments
developed after the liturgical contraction, as the Church began to
express herself more freely and fully after the persecution. When
the bishop is vested traditionally by minor clergy as a

(01:39:35):
sign of humility. A prayer is said when he puts
on each piece. So concludes the analysis of continuity between
church structure and items. We will now move on to
the liturgical worship itself, some of its components, meaning, and
the continuity it has with the Old Testament. I must
again stress that this video can only cover so much.

(01:39:57):
It is only scratching the surface of the typology and
the symbolism found within the liturgy. Let us now turn
to the structure of the Divine Liturgy itself. Although not
so strictly divided, the liturgy has two halves. The first
half is the Liturgy of the ctcumans. Catacumans are people
who are undergoing instruction in the Christian faith before being

(01:40:18):
received into the Church by baptism or chrismation. The second
half is the Liturgy of the faithful. If we recall
the structure.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
We're not going to watch all of the Lewis and
Kay's video, but you can watch the whole thing separately
on your own. I highly recommend it. It's absolutely necessary
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How long was I muted? Haha? Aj five dollars? Did

(01:42:36):
you see that Alex O'Connor is going to convert?

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
No to what?

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Probably I mean, I'm not trying to be rude, but
I mean probably not worthodoxy. I mean, I don't know
what what's he going to convert to? Thank you guys
a lot of fun tonight. We're not done yet. I'll
take your questions. Nobody has any questions on this James
five dollars. We also got super chats over here storm

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the Cat five dollars one time. I already evangelical preachers
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it's the logic of Protestantism that you have to constantly
keep reforming because it's always the church is always failing. Right,

(01:43:34):
there's no belief that the church is a supernatural institution
that's guided and protected count trad chat. What's the name
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split into Kabalistic third Temple? Is that Orthodox Jews maintaining
Old Testament Judaism. I'm not sure what you mean by split.

(01:47:35):
I mean Rabbinic Judaism is all over the place, so
there's as many different Jews as there are the Jewish
theology as there are Jews. So I don't know what
you mean by the split off. If you mean that,
I mean Kabbala could even be just mysticism that doesn't
even care about a temple. So I think there's it's

(01:48:00):
just all over the place. In h five dollars, the
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Uh well I don't. It's not just talking about me
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but also share and support all the people talking shit.
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which is exciting. We are getting numbers up there close
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the topics that you'll be covering. Do you recommend any
videos or reading before it? I mean it's going to

(01:49:45):
be quite a wide variety of speakers, Jamie. We'll be
talking about ancient pagan religions and occultism. Doctor David Patrick
Harry will be talking about like transhumanism and that kind
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(01:50:05):
Orthodox iconography. I will be talking about logos theology. So
I don't think you really have to do like any
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to affiliate yourself with familiarize yourself with Orthodox you know,

(01:50:26):
study Bible, that kind of stuff. But thank you for
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I mean you can only scroll back so far. Bro,
Why aren't you just calling on the next live and
ask me in in the X spaces Now we didn't
really get into, hopefully what you see in tonight's discussion

(01:51:18):
was maybe this will be a part one of dismissasions
because we didn't really get into like the geopolitical stuff.
Maybe I'll do a separate stream covering James Pearloff's articles.
But tonight's discussion was really about Quevinant theology and the
unification of God's plan. Now, if you don't know, I

(01:51:39):
did a talk years ago that will cover I think
this one covers h predictions in the Old Testament of
the Gentile Church. This one, I forget which I think

(01:52:03):
this one covers trend into the Old Testament, but I
think I'm referring to this one. I don't know why
it's titled that, because it doesn't really happen to do
with what I think. What I argue here is that
the Gentile Church is also kind of a way to

(01:52:25):
see prophecies being fulfilled and therefore proof for the scriptures.
I think, yeah, I think so. But we also talked
about church fathers back then too, So this is old

(01:52:46):
school here. This is eight years ago. Wow. But a
lot of the questions that you guys have will also
be answered eight years ago in that podcast or that video.
Gainers Oulton dollars. Why do English translation capitalize capitalize the

(01:53:09):
G in Athanasius's quote he was made man so that
man might be made God. Other translations have the G lowercase.
I don't know, probably, I don't think there's anything to it.
If you're going to talk about my facial hair, I'm

(01:53:30):
immediately gonna boot you. So that's this is your warning.
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five dollars. Get Jamie to organize your playlist? What playlist
you mean on my channel? Nobody ever pays attention to
those anyway, There's literally no one pays attention to playlists
on the channel. You think, oh, I'll make these playlists,
they'll be organized. No no one ever looks at them,
no one ever goes to them. It doesn't matter how

(01:54:31):
organized it is, that they're never used. Like, I've had
this same stuff here for seven years, and I get
the same questions, where are your debates? Where did you
do public formal debates with anybody? You mean the giant
playlist of that, So there really is no point because
no one actually pays attention to the playlist. It's just

(01:54:55):
everyone's retarded like and share and again. I will probably
make this into a series, right, This will be like
a part one, then we'll do a part two and
a part three because we only kind of got into
the unity of the Covenant to refute dispensationalism, and we're

(01:55:18):
going to have to go into the geopolitical side of
it as well, which we covered in my Twitter space.
So we've been doing NonStop Twitter spaces when I'm on
the road. I forgot to mention too, you know, as
we kind of get into that domain. There is quite
a bit that we can go into in regard to

(01:55:39):
why did the Boomer evangelicals worship Israel? Well, this psyop
comes from hucksters like Hal Lindsay, who promoted the dispensational
heresy to millions of people in the nineteen seventies. The
book treats Gog and Magog as Cold War villains and
the enemies of quote Israel. The same huckster then tried
to predict the Rapture in nineteen eighty eight. It should
be obvious that this is a toe retard to heresy

(01:56:01):
and part of Cold War syops, that's how Lindsay's late
Great Planet Earth, and then how Lindsay's book The Rapture.
So I mean, you can't make this stuff up. But
that's why so many of the boomer evangelicals are just
basically mind controlled into this position and you can't even
argue them out of it. They just can't even like
it's just locked into their mind. Dude, right wing nouck

(01:56:22):
fourteen dollars? Do you have an extensive book list saved anywhere?
I used to have a booklest on the website the past.
Twitter live streams are on my Twitter, bro. I'm not
trying to be impatient, but it's like, if.

Speaker 13 (01:56:38):
You just scroll down, there's one right there. Today, scroll down,
there's one right there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
That was last night. By the way, I tell you that,
I'm at the Chick from Hell Raiser. This is me
with Ashley Lawrence from Hell Raiser, and then we were
at the boof at the booth with the chick from Subspecies.

(01:57:24):
So basically we were hanging out with B movie actresses
and Hell Raiser chick, which was fun. It was a blast,
and I think Jamie had the best costume. What do
you guys think? So Jamie went as Shelley from Twin Peaks.

(01:57:52):
As you can see, this was.

Speaker 6 (01:57:57):
Legit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
This was spot on. Look at that perfect dude. Here's
Shelley even had a coffee pot. Look at that boom.
Best costume ever for Halloween right there. The the book

(01:58:29):
list was all janky, dude, it looked like trash. So
the book lists that have to just be completely reworked,
and I just haven't had the time and the energy
to rework it, so that's why I took it down.
But I mean, we have a giant pds PDF list
in the Discord. We're reviving the Discord. We've been doing
Discord talks, so look forward to that. Thank you guys.

(01:58:57):
A lot of fun tonight. I think we're gona have
to make it a series, so this will be part
one and then we'll get into the history of dispensationalism,
the Calvary Chapel movement and all that in the next stream.
Thank you guys.

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