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Hey. I am Dennis Gómez andI Louren Fernández and this is the film
mouth, an original podcast by Fernándezand Gómez, communications recorded in the studies
of the American Dominican. In eachepisode, the magic of cinema comes to
life through our conversations. You canlisten to all our episodes in Spotify and
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Apple Podcast. In this episode wetalked about the latest stories we' ve
seen and left us completely captivated.These are The airbant Cloud, David Vender
and the recent Challengers. Welcome toa new episode of film mouth. Here,
as always, is your favorite duplaDanis Gómez and Térarioren Fernández Hello,
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Loren how are you doing well Saturday, very Saturday? Yes, the early
one. Sir, I' mafraid you' re recording ten of the
biggest, but good for talking aboutmovies and passing the audio. Today we
have a super intimate episode, onlyits double. Yeah, here we are
going to talk about the latest andserious movies we' ve seen that have
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left us totally hooked. They areproposals that have an immense emotional burden.
I think that when I came outof the cinema to watch every one of
these movies and well the show inmy house, obviously I came out as
euphoric, like I adopted new personalities. I also suffocated with one of them.
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I felt like I took it asa marathon ok. But we'
re not going to develop the subject. Let' s go to that,
let' s go to the firstone. I believe that this is a
film that in common moved many people, that many tears were seen to run
in principle and that it was thetruth that caught me by surprise because I
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had no historical context of the familyconcerned. We' re talking about the
Iron Clow, which is basically thestory of the Bonneric brothers, who were
professional wrestling wrestlers in the 1980s inthe United States, and the story of
the film, let' s say, directed through the character of Sackefron,
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which is Kevin, the older brotheror good, the second really of them,
and it' s like telling usthat journey that they had as brothers
all wrestler is free. I don' t know if that' s the
way it' s said, butwrestling is, and that pretty peculiar family
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dynamic that they always had as aneta. Imagine yourself as this typical sports
family, that everyone has to beinvolved in the sport, that the dad
did, that the older brother did, that then we kind of as long
as that legacy continues exactly, youcan' t miss success in the only
option. So I saw at leastthe portrait they made in the movie.
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Yeah, me too, as yousay, they caught me very surprised.
I mean, I went into thecinema without knowing anything, obviously that I
was from Ate Tonny for and thatI was probably gonna get together. So
yes, but I was quite surprisedby the performance of sac effront is a
very mature haroll and when you knowthat when the first pictures of this film
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came out, he had a strangeface. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, like they were, like, when everybody was commenting on Sack efront
' s face was because of thismovie, because of the first picture in
this movie. And the truth is, I was too shocked by his character
and his role. And it's also interesting how this story portrays that
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is a regime, as an American, of this family that has to be
in such a way or an ennquiy, a form that has to meet certain
requirements, as it also portrays thatvery American family. Yeah, yeah,
actually it' s like but alsowith those attributes attributes as distanced, like
there' s something joroto, likeyou know there' s something broken,
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that there' s something that notesright around that regime that Ok. All
my children have to make it clear, because I want to achieve this and
how interesting I feel that the filmstarts and you and I at least understood
here was going to be a storyas familiar, pretty successful or kind of
positive, because it starts with thisphrase that says sacke front or good.
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Kevin, the character Dad says,tried to protect us with wrestling. He
said that if we were the toughest, the strongest, nothing could hurt us,
hurt us, and I believed weall did it then that phrase like
you' re going to some hope, there' s some hope given,
like that Ok, the dad saidlet' s say that going into a
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sport and having that discipline can savethem, that is, maybe it'
s going to go well in lifeAnd as a son, who I first
mean, you believe your parents andyou have as the confidence that if my
mom and dad told me this,then ok I' m going to trust
and then the development that has thestory, because I understand that if they
were attacking listening they owed you themovie. And if you don' t
go back and forth because I suddenlydon' t know 30 minutes first,
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you' re like an expectation thatyou' re going to make it.
He' s gonna get the leash, that typical one he wants, that
dad couldn' t, but Kevin, let' s say the older one,
he' s gonna make it.And here then it starts, like
that or more, to odyssey,the literal odyssey and the curse, because
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they say, like they understand,that the Bonnevićs have a curse because of
the father having changed his surname,which then I already found. After watching
the movie and reading, like somefacks, I saw that in real life
the dad had fought, that is, the free fighting papa and with a
person who had survived the holocaust,and apparently he beat him, but the
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person told him that you beat mealready with that, like it goes like
a dark aspect that comes from mypast children of mine and then as a
total energy exchange. So, asa result of that, Dad kind of
changed his last name in your familyand I don' t know what.
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And it is said that in reallife that was like the crucial moment where
his life changed forever in a sense. So there in the movie, then
they start to go through all thatwrong, that is literally one by one,
they' re dying. All thespoiler brothers an spoiler i e,
and it was even like when ithappens with the first that David, who
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does it this actor that is calledTriango the SMUs when he dies, he
tore me away from surprise, butI knew how it was going to happen,
because the story is like taking thatrhythm like a tinkling, like a
suspense. Something comes and we sawbefore he was sick and it was like
this is going to happen, butI never imagined that he' s going
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to be like this, that is, that he was going to be one
by one. It' s gotlike that like that black cloud up there
in that family, that it wastearing people down like it was a domino
effect, but what do you sayyou mean? With the first sentence that
he tells you like that, they' re trusting their parents, both because
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we were talking a lot about dad, but also about mom, of course,
but in the end it' slike one' s parents have like
their own problems, they' redealing with them, and maybe you can
' t, you can' tpretend that they' re going to put
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aside their needs and their things aspower. Yes, yes, but it
' s a complex, because Ifeel that even the mother, when they
were going to ask them something sonatural that they would like to accompany me
aha, accompany me she was ina similar way in her own world and
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in what she was going through withthat man. No, and I feel
it was also like the dynamics thatthey created and like that set of rules
that you notice that mom dad obviouslycame. I mean, the movie shows
that dad is the most dominant andthe one who makes all the decisions and
that' s why they are likethat, and that she, the mom,
was one more inside of the executionformula, it was like she literally
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that maternal instinct at least in thebeginning, like she had to hide it,
or I don' t know,like because she was telling her to
talk to your brothers, that is, you have to help yourself. Yeah,
because she was also dealing with thatsame dad prossa, like she didn
' t know what to do andthat looks like at the end of the
movie, like she' s comingback to her life. Yeah, and
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that' s just doing his stuffbecause he was painting. And it'
s funny because the film, yes, certainly, has many changes with real
history and based on it' ssupposed to already, for example, at
the time when we see it painting, at the close of the story,
they were divorced already in real life. I mean, and that' s
when I read it and said okwith shawl like it makes a lot of
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sense to me, because I saidhow that mom endured so much abuse one,
so much pain and suffering from youwatching you survive your yess. I
mean, you' re surviving yourkids and you' re still there in
silence swallowing everything and nothing to goon. I mean, that sheath killed
me then when I read that thatin real life and it did get divorced
before Kehry' s death that thecharacter Jeremy makes I said ok ok ok
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there' s a difference, butthere and I said good in Tom makes
a little more sense, but ingeneral, Digimon Clow is the truth that
one means. I was particularly remindedof the feeling that Lion gave me the
film of the two thousand sixteen withDeth Patel. That feeling like something'
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s taken away from you and youdon' t come back in the same
person anymore. After you see that, I felt that way, that is,
what a horrible fear. You feltlike a member of your family was
taken from you out of time,as well as that you can' t
do anything to change it. Sothe trauma that left me to Lyon I
literally put in letherbox like I'm about seven years old trying to beat
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the plane and then I ran intocloud diary and as I kind of put
my finger back into life, intothe exact jaga. But nothing I mean,
I' m not a conclusion.I loved the whole movie. To
me, too, on a technicallevel, it seems to me that casting
had super good. The director thatChanderking, he was also the one who
wrote the film and he lasted aboutseven years writing it. Kevin that the
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brother who has survived that the roleof Sackepherd, he has made many comments
in interviews that he understands that theportrait he makes of his family is not
the most accurate and has placed muchemphasis on the part of his dad'
s portrait, that that has caughtmy attention that he says that his dad
was not really that monster that thefilm tries to portray as a somewhat controversial
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subject, because the dad is veryimportant in that as that formula than the
narrative that the film makes. Butthat' s interesting. In the end,
that happens with those stories that arebased on those real facts, but
they end up having a lot offiction, that is even already country closing.
They were six brothers. If theytell you about the first one,
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who dies when he is small,but there was a sixth that even survives
throughout that time, who also triedto pit him for wrestling, and he
also commits suicide because he had abad face. He was frustrated that he
wasn' t good at wrestling andwithin all that death of David de Carry,
of the other who was an artist, the last one dies. Also,
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i e the director says in theimi script that character is called that.
His name is Chris He' sbrother sixth. He was for five
years that I was. He wrotein that script and Christa, but in
the end I said people will believeme that there was another brother who also
died, and he, by narrativeand strategic decision. He took it away
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because he said it' s alreadyan excess. I mean, people aren
' t going to believe that ithappened in real life and Pami and John
Olie that was dicke, okay,so here' s a worse sense of
history. Yeah, but the mosthopeful part of the movie and I think
it' s one of the mostbeautiful scenes. It' s the last
scene where sac Keffront puts a stopto the whole thing that all that dynamic
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touches on his family is like there' s, like, what we always
read, what he always tells us, that' s, like, the
toxicity ends with one. And that' s what' s given. Like
the last scene in the movie andI also like in the credits, how
it looks like after Kevin, thatis, Kevin, all his descendants,
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that is, they' re ahuge, huge, enormous, minor family
and also how cute. When Lily, I mean, who plays the wife
' s role, he says sorryto Sack tells him how ah I want
to have a farm and how totake family near you and that final picture
that on a farm, because hedid that what he wanted with all his
descendant and his wife, that is, with everyone. That' s right,
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it' s paranoid and like alittle heart hug after suffering clearly those
two hours. So, gentlemen ofthe hand of these stories, well,
intense, loren and I don't, because if you move the series
of the moment for me and oneof the best series that I have seen
that Netflix has released in recent years, and I have told you a lot
in my networks that it is goodthat that kind of story sneaks as well
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as silent and you don' thave to wait in a quite commercial catalog,
as are the streaming platforms already today, but that they give opportunity to
tell these stories to those productions.And we' re talking about Baby Ventier
Baby Rentir, which is starring andcreated by Rishard Gatt. In other words,
it is based on real facts,based on real facts of the same
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creator, and the same creator alsointerprets the protagonist himself, that is,
he changed his name. That's obviously the person named Donny, but
he doesn' t interpret everything.I said at the time I don'
t know if this was horrible orit was therapy for him, like he
does that. But I avoid alot of interview where he already says that,
that is to say, he isan out- of- date subject,
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because well he knows that before itwas the series, everything is a
play that had already been awarded herein the two thousand twenty- one premiered
in London. It had as agala, even being a play. It
was that people approached him, ie Netflix producers and they said, hey,
look, you' re interested intaking you to a show and he
said good, okay, well.But to put them a little bit in
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context, the series after is aminiseries. It has eight chapters, seven
seven chapters, and it' sabout a comedian who' s not doing
very well. He lives in Londonand he' s like a comedian as
a bad guy. I think helives in Edinburgh. Hey, it'
s not salts. I thought itwas there. The point that a comedian
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reads like bad luck from those badcomedians, that he' s doing bad,
that he doesn' t have manyscenarios opportunities, then he works in
a bar yes and happens to cometo this woman as from certain data obviously
greater than he does, and hebirds alone, as distant and as he
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starts him as bartender was the bartender, like he starts talking to her and
offers her a cup of tea andthat kind of thing. And the woman,
gentlemen, becomes obsessed with him,i e, begins to sew him
up and not just anything, gentlemen, not intense, is not that.
They will travel a little with allthe limits of things and then the series
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is developing, other traumas of himare being explored and I had a little
understanding why he won' t sayhe' s allowed to have that situation,
because no one wants to have thatsituation, but not those traumas,
I mean, you see other traumasthat don' t lead you to understand
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why he does what he does.What you do does because he, I
mean, he' s totally interesting, because I love it like him.
I think it says the first chapter. I did an act of good faith.
Let' s say she gives hera cup of tea because she had
nothing and from there my life changed. For him I always don' t
give anything to anyone, I mean, you can' t be so nice
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and friendly, not because you shouldhave a cup of tea, that is,
not for nothing, but the probabilitythat from there you have such a
dark future is not so many,but look how it can happen. So,
and of course what I particularly likeabout the story is that you understand
at first that there' s goingto be a series, a miniseries of
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humor, so the style, becauseit' s from the same creators of
The End of the fok Ang roald, that it' s like that same
one, yeah with average reason,like that one lives, like something I
' d seen. Yeah, he' s got like that kind of straight
humor, like good as well ascharacteristic and good dark. Yes and dark.
So, you go, I wentin to see her, I saw
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her when if I had three days, because in Netflix nobody' s talking
about that show and I said okay, I, I' m gonna have
a good time with a ray andhow that turns. So I loved that
part of that there' s alot of fear, not in the time
that history of a black- and- white harassment of the victim and this
is the perpetrator and that you're going wrong, that is to say
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bye, but like those grays inthat dynamic, especially that it' s
like the plantella of maybe I didor stopped doing things that fueled that harassment
relationship. Let' s say thatpart then. I liked it because it
' s kind of risky. Imean, for the moment, you'
re watching the episode. You couldsay crazy, but a little bit you
did that. I mean, youkeep feeding that chick that keeps harassing you.
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Then there in those grays, he' s not afraid to tell it.
To me that sheath broke me superdeep is it is very honest and
it is very raw and very directand, above all for me it is
very mature. I mean, youhave the ability to sit down and tell
that truth. So, without makeup, you have to be a mature person
forced. So, that' swhat I, Mom, loved about the
show. Obviously, it' shard to see because then, as it
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goes on, you' re goingto understand the character, that is,
Don and You understand why he readsso good with her, why he'
s afraid of the one at theroot, because he doesn' t go
to the police. What' swrong with him? And then you see
Pandora' s real box and theone you hear from the beginning, even
in its way of acting. Iavoid. Many psychologists who have said so
said conchale for the first two chapterand how action and that good faith and
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that fear seem to be characteristic ofa person who has suffered abuse. So,
there the movie goes into this blackhole. Let' s say that
uncovering your past and there I oncesaid I understood and it' s a
very very, very, very importanttopic that you can talk about. But
from there you can know that aperson who doesn' t know how to
put the limit, who can't, who may get involved in a
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situation that doesn' t feel safeor reliable, who doesn' t have
the control and that' s thesame thing that happens to Marta, who
poses. Yeah, but it's like when he gets into the whole
thing that I think he suffered fromit all the way, that you'
re a successful person from her,from her first comedy festival, from meeting
a person who could make a trumppolling for him on a professional level,
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but that was an o, that' s it, that' s it,
he went into a black hole.Literally, everything is starting to make
sense. And that theme as fromwhen you grow up successful and you find
a person who can be that trampollingwith one you need. I liked it
very much that touching that topic asfar as one is willing to go to
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get what one wants and the factthat he gets over and over again in
unpleasant situations, in horrible situations,because he still has that little faith or
thinking I' m probably not goingto have another door that' s going
to open up to me and it' s the only one that for me
was, I' m talking,I have a goose bump, because for
me that was say that wow.It' s true, I mean,
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not even close to God free me. I have a situation like this,
but the number of people is nothingmore. We have to go to Hollywood
from the past, that lived everythingpeople had to do to get a role,
that is, you on a subjectnow. This he always was and
always was in those work environments wherewho you are or who you are,
he has to beat you. Peopledepend on you. Maybe it says it
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' s your only gap, yeah, maybe it' s just casually came
out that series quayet on set yeahthat basically goes the same way, that
' s to say, it picksup like that topic of how those people
who give that kind of opportunity andwho open those gaps take advantage of vulnerable
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people that they want to take offand achieve their dream and their sense.
So, and another topic that playssuper well is the part of abuse or
harassment on the subject of men,that is, it' s very clear
in women, women who are womenmake a complaint. In principle, society
believes you because you are a woman, and more so if you are denouncing
a man, but what happens whenthe man who is being harassed and a
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woman who harasses you, that is, all that traffic that makes the series
of the first chapter of that subjectwas also too necessary and it was like
i openy i mean, opens youreyes as it is a latent subject,
but at the same time, Iwas like obviously, I was like that
oh, but why aren' tyou believing him? I mean? He
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' s got the evidence, he' s got everything, why they'
re not believing him. Sure,then so good I mean. At the
same time I said to you,see, you see when you don'
t believe you exactly look at it, there' s how you try it
on your own card. Obviously youdon' t like it, or not.
I' m saying it' skind of like there' s a
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good thing that happened to him.But it also makes it look like a
lot of people in perspective that lookis all that happens, when they don
' t believe us too is horrible. Yeah, I mean, like believing
shouldn' t be, I mean, believing people not just what' s
going on. Shouldn' t itbe a matter of yes man who is
a woman, how, but yes, not clear or whatever? It shouldn
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' t be, I mean,there' s just the evidence. It
' s happening. This situation isto act, that is, regardless of
what it is, of course andwell, I feel like it gives you
the series, it doesn' tgive pablo a limp. You almost found
out, but to me, Imean, I say it and I repeat
it, to me one of thebest mini series I' ve seen in
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my life, especially because a verydifficult topic to tell, that you can
leave, easy telling it or youcan leave everything behind and make it raw
and mature, like they did allthat portrait for me that makes abuse of
trauma of how you work. Andthen, if you close those cycles,
you' re going to keep draggingthat thing that' s pretty much the
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story of dead, stalking, andawesome at casting level. For me,
okay in that guy did it AlianI think that also because he lived it
you clearly, but, but itdidn' t necessarily have to go well,
because that has nothing to do withit. I mean, the guy
does it too well, but forme it' s Jessica Gonning ed or
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it was perfect, it was andhe counts it, I mean. He
says that when he approached Netflix's first person and he has Jessica watching
on television, in film for along time, he said supposedly the marth
ar Real. It doesn' teven look like her, but he said
she' s the only one who' s going to be able to have
those layers of that character, becausein a character that you can directly say
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that it' s bad, butit' s got its grays also maybe
it' s mental health issue,it has trauma issues itself, that none
of that justifies, but to historyit raises that. Then. That'
s what I like, that forme it' s a series of grays,
not black and white, who goodwho bad exact and good. Now
a great big song the great finalfinal deficies well, gentlemen, like the
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end of the so- called,this ending is going to be good,
like the end, like the finalscene of this movie that we' ve
talked about now. Gentlemen, youhave already gone to be challengerst because we
do enjoy it. I saw inthe movies. You know that. First
the daughter, like it happened withPaul Thinks and that kind of movie.
Choose, good company, pay forthe cinema, because that' s important
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to me, for you felt connectedand lived I said he' s not
thinking that you' re looking atme a lot of my reactions. Choose
good company. I, I mean, what do you mean. With that
we' re clear, it's a movie that we' ve defined
as a drama or an erotic sportstriller. That erotic aspect handles it in
an impressively elegant way, but whathappens is still erotic. I feel like
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that kind of escine you have togo, but with people that you feel
comfortable is seeing something you like onscreen and you dik wow, you don
' t feel like uncomfortable that nextdoor they' re watching. I mean,
don' t go to your mom' s or your religious friend.
Not because I went to a secondsubpoena at last not anything I didn'
t, because that this time Igave it to her. It was a
test. It wasn' t thatI say to people you feel forbidden,
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don' t go or you haveto leave. That is to say,
my master, I was a lotof laughing, I was covering my face,
I was taking the seat, becauseliterally I came out and sweated clearly,
but what a good time I hadwatching that movie. I mean,
yeah, I didn' t expectit. What I like about the film
is that it has a good handlingof this genre, of this erotic genre,
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that many people tend to confuse itwith adult films, that eroticism is
totally different from that type of filmand because eroticism has those elements of tension,
of a lot of body play.But without getting there, you know
nothing about something being consumed. Thereis a lot of attention to the viewer,
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that you have to put it alot to be patient and not necessarily
the climax of the film or thisattention is going to be an encounter,
a sexual encounter, that is,that manifestation of sexual encounter. It can
manifest through something else, in thiscase it is through tennis, through this
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competition between Josh or Conner and MikePhate, who have this rivalry, who
were friends before, best, bestfriends. So in the middle it'
s gone that a broad that isshe was half the drug, she was
master Min exactly like the one sheis, like the guy pulls, the
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puppeteer and the puppeteer so she tellsyou she takes it out there, as
well, like watching everything, becauseyou outside, you would say good a
movie always have like an antihero likea hearer. That' s all she
' s all, she' sthe good one. So in context the
film does have to do with asporty look that for me a lot of
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people said and that' s howit makes that mix. You know what
I mean by eroticism and sport,but I' ll tell you something.
I think there' s no betteringredient than adrenaline, suspense and like that
fire that generates a sport as competitiveas tennis. Yes, and not just
and not just so is that eventhe sounds that players have to be as
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an exact everything, because there areother sports that may not have those elements
that tennis has, but that tennishas as that strength and also as tennis
has. I feel like that areaa little bit of I know as super
human, that you come in,as well as when you have competition,
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like a lot of attitude, alot of discipline and europits you well haired,
you know how it has that partalso of the physicist, that you
have to look good. So,that also brings a lot to the story.
So Challengers was an experience. Imean, I enjoy it too much
and I love it when I goto the movies without knowing that I see
it as being good. Obviously,we had context because of Luca Wadak Mig,
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who is the same as Commiviyornnig Yes, but as she had as several
films as no, as half MalitaMala, or I believed that a super
risky guy to touch topics of relationshipdynamics yes between people, because his entire
film has that in common and henever that relationships. Oh, what'
s the problem with young people?No, no, no, he always
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goes like that to that dark sideof because he access in almost all and
well, here he does the same. But it is that you have the
factor for me that it has anexquisite script, that fun fact of the
same episode, of the director andwriter of past Lives, exact of that
linkson, that is to say goodpast like, which is considered as that
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of a trio, so to speak, a drink the loving, of a
love triangle. Exactly then also herewhat you give that with a triangle love
love that is there that people whokind of people say that double is parallel
story that they are not running me. That' s right, so that
' s very funny, because forme the film works in every way.
I mean casting my god Mike,that is Mike fit I see him vito
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in West in Westipe this is good, but here wow, gentlemen like me,
you get like by these people inthe most attractive way, or if
they three, they' re attractive, but it' s from another level.
The casting. It' s tooright for me. The music was
too chille score, but I'm on repete. Me too if an
exercise yesterday and I was listening Imean and I love that it gives music
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or it comes out a moment thatyou don' t stop, it'
s a totally different rhythm than whatyou' re going to do for the
moment. I mean, that shockthat contrast to me brought it too much.
I don' t know. It' s Lucas Juan Dani' s
sexual orientation no, but the filmis too much or that the other gal
is also, that is me,the exact one. Yeah, it'
s like he' s playing withthat. But that too. That'
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s good, because I think thatdeep down, everyone and VI apologize to
me for what they' re listeningto me, they' ve offended.
But then, as he likes thosethemes, as well as dynamics, relationships,
as well as interpersonal, and thisone is going to cor putting and
how creating and leading to it itself, then he for me gets how to
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capture that very well, like atthe end of the attraction for a being
that is, you don' tcare about I agree challengers edem that is,
and besides it' s too funny, because it has a very good
rhythm always, even to the endand you always have suspense, as you
said, they keep you, ifit' s like they force you to
this patient, because in the endthey will listen to you sweetly or not.
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It' s got to be sweet, really sweet, sure, but
you know it' s not.It' s not that it depends,
so they keep you that suspense andtoo good. I mean, gentlemen,
go like this, go to thechar cinema and go and see him at
the movies. I repeat, cinemahas its magic nothing like cinema. You
listen to a chapter of yours Let' s see. You stay here and
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give me the face. I,gentlemen, was doing that in that movie.
I do because it was more likegoing to people' s comments.
I mean, that brings you tomaking history a machula. Then go see
Chang yous Acine pick me in yourcompany. Of course I do. So
thank you for listening to this episode, where we talk about the last three
eis, well, most recent story, that we have loved, that they
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have not marked, that no longermake us be the same after seeing them
that gave us new personalities. Yeah, well, it' s too heavy
a conversation. I loved it,but we don' t see each other
in the next tentent pentament chapter.The film mouth is a podcast recorded in
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American Dominican studios and produced by DennisGómez and Loren Fernández. Listen to all
our episodes in Spotify and Apple Podcast
Hey. I am Dennis Gómez andI Louren Fernández and this is the film
mouth, an original podcast by Fernándezand Gómez, communications recorded in the studies
of the American Dominican. In eachepisode, the magic of cinema comes to
life through our conversations. You canlisten to all our episodes in Spotify and
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Apple Podcast. In this episode wetalked about the latest stories we' ve
seen and left us completely captivated.These are The airbant Cloud, David Vender
and the recent Challengers. Welcome toa new episode of film mouth. Here,
as always, is your favorite duplaDanis Gómez and Térarioren Fernández Hello,
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Loren how are you doing well Saturday, very Saturday? Yes, the early
one. Sir, I' mafraid you' re recording ten of the
biggest, but good for talking aboutmovies and passing the audio. Today we
have a super intimate episode, onlyits double. Yeah, here we are
going to talk about the latest andserious movies we' ve seen that have
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left us totally hooked. They areproposals that have an immense emotional burden.
I think that when I came outof the cinema to watch every one of
these movies and well the show inmy house, obviously I came out as
euphoric, like I adopted new personalities. I also suffocated with one of them.
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I felt like I took it asa marathon ok. But we'
re not going to develop the subject. Let' s go to that,
let' s go to the firstone. I believe that this is a
film that in common moved many people, that many tears were seen to run
in principle and that it was thetruth that caught me by surprise because I
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had no historical context of the familyconcerned. We' re talking about the
Iron Clow, which is basically thestory of the Bonneric brothers, who were
professional wrestling wrestlers in the 1980s inthe United States, and the story of
the film, let' s say, directed through the character of Sackefron,
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which is Kevin, the older brotheror good, the second really of them,
and it' s like telling usthat journey that they had as brothers
all wrestler is free. I don' t know if that' s the
way it' s said, butwrestling is, and that pretty peculiar family
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dynamic that they always had as aneta. Imagine yourself as this typical sports
family, that everyone has to beinvolved in the sport, that the dad
did, that the older brother did, that then we kind of as long
as that legacy continues exactly, youcan' t miss success in the only
option. So I saw at leastthe portrait they made in the movie.
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Yeah, me too, as yousay, they caught me very surprised.
I mean, I went into thecinema without knowing anything, obviously that I
was from Ate Tonny for and thatI was probably gonna get together. So
yes, but I was quite surprisedby the performance of sac effront is a
very mature haroll and when you knowthat when the first pictures of this film
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came out, he had a strangeface. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, like they were, like, when everybody was commenting on Sack efront
' s face was because of thismovie, because of the first picture in
this movie. And the truth is, I was too shocked by his character
and his role. And it's also interesting how this story portrays that
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is a regime, as an American, of this family that has to be
in such a way or an ennquiy, a form that has to meet certain
requirements, as it also portrays thatvery American family. Yeah, yeah,
actually it' s like but alsowith those attributes attributes as distanced, like
there' s something joroto, likeyou know there' s something broken,
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that there' s something that notesright around that regime that Ok. All
my children have to make it clear, because I want to achieve this and
how interesting I feel that the filmstarts and you and I at least understood
here was going to be a storyas familiar, pretty successful or kind of
positive, because it starts with thisphrase that says sacke front or good.
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Kevin, the character Dad says,tried to protect us with wrestling. He
said that if we were the toughest, the strongest, nothing could hurt us,
hurt us, and I believed weall did it then that phrase like
you' re going to some hope, there' s some hope given,
like that Ok, the dad saidlet' s say that going into a
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sport and having that discipline can savethem, that is, maybe it'
s going to go well in lifeAnd as a son, who I first
mean, you believe your parents andyou have as the confidence that if my
mom and dad told me this,then ok I' m going to trust
and then the development that has thestory, because I understand that if they
were attacking listening they owed you themovie. And if you don' t
go back and forth because I suddenlydon' t know 30 minutes first,
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you' re like an expectation thatyou' re going to make it.
He' s gonna get the leash, that typical one he wants, that
dad couldn' t, but Kevin, let' s say the older one,
he' s gonna make it.And here then it starts, like
that or more, to odyssey,the literal odyssey and the curse, because
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they say, like they understand,that the Bonnevićs have a curse because of
the father having changed his surname,which then I already found. After watching
the movie and reading, like somefacks, I saw that in real life
the dad had fought, that is, the free fighting papa and with a
person who had survived the holocaust,and apparently he beat him, but the
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person told him that you beat mealready with that, like it goes like
a dark aspect that comes from mypast children of mine and then as a
total energy exchange. So, asa result of that, Dad kind of
changed his last name in your familyand I don' t know what.
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And it is said that in reallife that was like the crucial moment where
his life changed forever in a sense. So there in the movie, then
they start to go through all thatwrong, that is literally one by one,
they' re dying. All thespoiler brothers an spoiler i e,
and it was even like when ithappens with the first that David, who
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does it this actor that is calledTriango the SMUs when he dies, he
tore me away from surprise, butI knew how it was going to happen,
because the story is like taking thatrhythm like a tinkling, like a
suspense. Something comes and we sawbefore he was sick and it was like
this is going to happen, butI never imagined that he' s going
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to be like this, that is, that he was going to be one
by one. It' s gotlike that like that black cloud up there
in that family, that it wastearing people down like it was a domino
effect, but what do you sayyou mean? With the first sentence that
he tells you like that, they' re trusting their parents, both because
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we were talking a lot about dad, but also about mom, of course,
but in the end it' slike one' s parents have like
their own problems, they' redealing with them, and maybe you can
' t, you can' tpretend that they' re going to put
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aside their needs and their things aspower. Yes, yes, but it
' s a complex, because Ifeel that even the mother, when they
were going to ask them something sonatural that they would like to accompany me
aha, accompany me she was ina similar way in her own world and
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in what she was going through withthat man. No, and I feel
it was also like the dynamics thatthey created and like that set of rules
that you notice that mom dad obviouslycame. I mean, the movie shows
that dad is the most dominant andthe one who makes all the decisions and
that' s why they are likethat, and that she, the mom,
was one more inside of the executionformula, it was like she literally
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that maternal instinct at least in thebeginning, like she had to hide it,
or I don' t know,like because she was telling her to
talk to your brothers, that is, you have to help yourself. Yeah,
because she was also dealing with thatsame dad prossa, like she didn
' t know what to do andthat looks like at the end of the
movie, like she' s comingback to her life. Yeah, and
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that' s just doing his stuffbecause he was painting. And it'
s funny because the film, yes, certainly, has many changes with real
history and based on it' ssupposed to already, for example, at
the time when we see it painting, at the close of the story,
they were divorced already in real life. I mean, and that' s
when I read it and said okwith shawl like it makes a lot of
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sense to me, because I saidhow that mom endured so much abuse one,
so much pain and suffering from youwatching you survive your yess. I
mean, you' re surviving yourkids and you' re still there in
silence swallowing everything and nothing to goon. I mean, that sheath killed
me then when I read that thatin real life and it did get divorced
before Kehry' s death that thecharacter Jeremy makes I said ok ok ok
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there' s a difference, butthere and I said good in Tom makes
a little more sense, but ingeneral, Digimon Clow is the truth that
one means. I was particularly remindedof the feeling that Lion gave me the
film of the two thousand sixteen withDeth Patel. That feeling like something'
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s taken away from you and youdon' t come back in the same
person anymore. After you see that, I felt that way, that is,
what a horrible fear. You feltlike a member of your family was
taken from you out of time,as well as that you can' t
do anything to change it. Sothe trauma that left me to Lyon I
literally put in letherbox like I'm about seven years old trying to beat
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the plane and then I ran intocloud diary and as I kind of put
my finger back into life, intothe exact jaga. But nothing I mean,
I' m not a conclusion.I loved the whole movie. To
me, too, on a technicallevel, it seems to me that casting
had super good. The director thatChanderking, he was also the one who
wrote the film and he lasted aboutseven years writing it. Kevin that the
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brother who has survived that the roleof Sackepherd, he has made many comments
in interviews that he understands that theportrait he makes of his family is not
the most accurate and has placed muchemphasis on the part of his dad'
s portrait, that that has caughtmy attention that he says that his dad
was not really that monster that thefilm tries to portray as a somewhat controversial
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subject, because the dad is veryimportant in that as that formula than the
narrative that the film makes. Butthat' s interesting. In the end,
that happens with those stories that arebased on those real facts, but
they end up having a lot offiction, that is even already country closing.
They were six brothers. If theytell you about the first one,
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who dies when he is small,but there was a sixth that even survives
throughout that time, who also triedto pit him for wrestling, and he
also commits suicide because he had abad face. He was frustrated that he
wasn' t good at wrestling andwithin all that death of David de Carry,
of the other who was an artist, the last one dies. Also,
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i e the director says in theimi script that character is called that.
His name is Chris He' sbrother sixth. He was for five
years that I was. He wrotein that script and Christa, but in
the end I said people will believeme that there was another brother who also
died, and he, by narrativeand strategic decision. He took it away
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because he said it' s alreadyan excess. I mean, people aren
' t going to believe that ithappened in real life and Pami and John
Olie that was dicke, okay,so here' s a worse sense of
history. Yeah, but the mosthopeful part of the movie and I think
it' s one of the mostbeautiful scenes. It' s the last
scene where sac Keffront puts a stopto the whole thing that all that dynamic
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touches on his family is like there' s, like, what we always
read, what he always tells us, that' s, like, the
toxicity ends with one. And that' s what' s given. Like
the last scene in the movie andI also like in the credits, how
it looks like after Kevin, thatis, Kevin, all his descendants,
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that is, they' re ahuge, huge, enormous, minor family
and also how cute. When Lily, I mean, who plays the wife
' s role, he says sorryto Sack tells him how ah I want
to have a farm and how totake family near you and that final picture
that on a farm, because hedid that what he wanted with all his
descendant and his wife, that is, with everyone. That' s right,
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it' s paranoid and like alittle heart hug after suffering clearly those
two hours. So, gentlemen ofthe hand of these stories, well,
intense, loren and I don't, because if you move the series
of the moment for me and oneof the best series that I have seen
that Netflix has released in recent years, and I have told you a lot
in my networks that it is goodthat that kind of story sneaks as well
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as silent and you don' thave to wait in a quite commercial catalog,
as are the streaming platforms already today, but that they give opportunity to
tell these stories to those productions.And we' re talking about Baby Ventier
Baby Rentir, which is starring andcreated by Rishard Gatt. In other words,
it is based on real facts,based on real facts of the same
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creator, and the same creator alsointerprets the protagonist himself, that is,
he changed his name. That's obviously the person named Donny, but
he doesn' t interpret everything.I said at the time I don'
t know if this was horrible orit was therapy for him, like he
does that. But I avoid alot of interview where he already says that,
that is to say, he isan out- of- date subject,
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because well he knows that before itwas the series, everything is a
play that had already been awarded herein the two thousand twenty- one premiered
in London. It had as agala, even being a play. It
was that people approached him, ie Netflix producers and they said, hey,
look, you' re interested intaking you to a show and he
said good, okay, well.But to put them a little bit in
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context, the series after is aminiseries. It has eight chapters, seven
seven chapters, and it' sabout a comedian who' s not doing
very well. He lives in Londonand he' s like a comedian as
a bad guy. I think helives in Edinburgh. Hey, it'
s not salts. I thought itwas there. The point that a comedian
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reads like bad luck from those badcomedians, that he' s doing bad,
that he doesn' t have manyscenarios opportunities, then he works in
a bar yes and happens to cometo this woman as from certain data obviously
greater than he does, and hebirds alone, as distant and as he
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starts him as bartender was the bartender, like he starts talking to her and
offers her a cup of tea andthat kind of thing. And the woman,
gentlemen, becomes obsessed with him,i e, begins to sew him
up and not just anything, gentlemen, not intense, is not that.
They will travel a little with allthe limits of things and then the series
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is developing, other traumas of himare being explored and I had a little
understanding why he won' t sayhe' s allowed to have that situation,
because no one wants to have thatsituation, but not those traumas,
I mean, you see other traumasthat don' t lead you to understand
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why he does what he does.What you do does because he, I
mean, he' s totally interesting, because I love it like him.
I think it says the first chapter. I did an act of good faith.
Let' s say she gives hera cup of tea because she had
nothing and from there my life changed. For him I always don' t
give anything to anyone, I mean, you can' t be so nice
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and friendly, not because you shouldhave a cup of tea, that is,
not for nothing, but the probabilitythat from there you have such a
dark future is not so many,but look how it can happen. So,
and of course what I particularly likeabout the story is that you understand
at first that there' s goingto be a series, a miniseries of
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humor, so the style, becauseit' s from the same creators of
The End of the fok Ang roald, that it' s like that same
one, yeah with average reason,like that one lives, like something I
' d seen. Yeah, he' s got like that kind of straight
humor, like good as well ascharacteristic and good dark. Yes and dark.
So, you go, I wentin to see her, I saw
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her when if I had three days, because in Netflix nobody' s talking
about that show and I said okay, I, I' m gonna have
a good time with a ray andhow that turns. So I loved that
part of that there' s alot of fear, not in the time
that history of a black- and- white harassment of the victim and this
is the perpetrator and that you're going wrong, that is to say
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bye, but like those grays inthat dynamic, especially that it' s
like the plantella of maybe I didor stopped doing things that fueled that harassment
relationship. Let' s say thatpart then. I liked it because it
' s kind of risky. Imean, for the moment, you'
re watching the episode. You couldsay crazy, but a little bit you
did that. I mean, youkeep feeding that chick that keeps harassing you.
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Then there in those grays, he' s not afraid to tell it.
To me that sheath broke me superdeep is it is very honest and
it is very raw and very directand, above all for me it is
very mature. I mean, youhave the ability to sit down and tell
that truth. So, without makeup, you have to be a mature person
forced. So, that' swhat I, Mom, loved about the
show. Obviously, it' shard to see because then, as it
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goes on, you' re goingto understand the character, that is,
Don and You understand why he readsso good with her, why he'
s afraid of the one at theroot, because he doesn' t go
to the police. What' swrong with him? And then you see
Pandora' s real box and theone you hear from the beginning, even
in its way of acting. Iavoid. Many psychologists who have said so
said conchale for the first two chapterand how action and that good faith and
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that fear seem to be characteristic ofa person who has suffered abuse. So,
there the movie goes into this blackhole. Let' s say that
uncovering your past and there I oncesaid I understood and it' s a
very very, very, very importanttopic that you can talk about. But
from there you can know that aperson who doesn' t know how to
put the limit, who can't, who may get involved in a
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situation that doesn' t feel safeor reliable, who doesn' t have
the control and that' s thesame thing that happens to Marta, who
poses. Yeah, but it's like when he gets into the whole
thing that I think he suffered fromit all the way, that you'
re a successful person from her,from her first comedy festival, from meeting
a person who could make a trumppolling for him on a professional level,
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but that was an o, that' s it, that' s it,
he went into a black hole.Literally, everything is starting to make
sense. And that theme as fromwhen you grow up successful and you find
a person who can be that trampollingwith one you need. I liked it
very much that touching that topic asfar as one is willing to go to
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get what one wants and the factthat he gets over and over again in
unpleasant situations, in horrible situations,because he still has that little faith or
thinking I' m probably not goingto have another door that' s going
to open up to me and it' s the only one that for me
was, I' m talking,I have a goose bump, because for
me that was say that wow.It' s true, I mean,
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not even close to God free me. I have a situation like this,
but the number of people is nothingmore. We have to go to Hollywood
from the past, that lived everythingpeople had to do to get a role,
that is, you on a subjectnow. This he always was and
always was in those work environments wherewho you are or who you are,
he has to beat you. Peopledepend on you. Maybe it says it
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' s your only gap, yeah, maybe it' s just casually came
out that series quayet on set yeahthat basically goes the same way, that
' s to say, it picksup like that topic of how those people
who give that kind of opportunity andwho open those gaps take advantage of vulnerable
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people that they want to take offand achieve their dream and their sense.
So, and another topic that playssuper well is the part of abuse or
harassment on the subject of men,that is, it' s very clear
in women, women who are womenmake a complaint. In principle, society
believes you because you are a woman, and more so if you are denouncing
a man, but what happens whenthe man who is being harassed and a
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woman who harasses you, that is, all that traffic that makes the series
of the first chapter of that subjectwas also too necessary and it was like
i openy i mean, opens youreyes as it is a latent subject,
but at the same time, Iwas like obviously, I was like that
oh, but why aren' tyou believing him? I mean? He
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' s got the evidence, he' s got everything, why they'
re not believing him. Sure,then so good I mean. At the
same time I said to you,see, you see when you don'
t believe you exactly look at it, there' s how you try it
on your own card. Obviously youdon' t like it, or not.
I' m saying it' skind of like there' s a
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good thing that happened to him.But it also makes it look like a
lot of people in perspective that lookis all that happens, when they don
' t believe us too is horrible. Yeah, I mean, like believing
shouldn' t be, I mean, believing people not just what' s
going on. Shouldn' t itbe a matter of yes man who is
a woman, how, but yes, not clear or whatever? It shouldn
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' t be, I mean,there' s just the evidence. It
' s happening. This situation isto act, that is, regardless of
what it is, of course andwell, I feel like it gives you
the series, it doesn' tgive pablo a limp. You almost found
out, but to me, Imean, I say it and I repeat
it, to me one of thebest mini series I' ve seen in
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my life, especially because a verydifficult topic to tell, that you can
leave, easy telling it or youcan leave everything behind and make it raw
and mature, like they did allthat portrait for me that makes abuse of
trauma of how you work. Andthen, if you close those cycles,
you' re going to keep draggingthat thing that' s pretty much the
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story of dead, stalking, andawesome at casting level. For me,
okay in that guy did it AlianI think that also because he lived it
you clearly, but, but itdidn' t necessarily have to go well,
because that has nothing to do withit. I mean, the guy
does it too well, but forme it' s Jessica Gonning ed or
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it was perfect, it was andhe counts it, I mean. He
says that when he approached Netflix's first person and he has Jessica watching
on television, in film for along time, he said supposedly the marth
ar Real. It doesn' teven look like her, but he said
she' s the only one who' s going to be able to have
those layers of that character, becausein a character that you can directly say
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that it' s bad, butit' s got its grays also maybe
it' s mental health issue,it has trauma issues itself, that none
of that justifies, but to historyit raises that. Then. That'
s what I like, that forme it' s a series of grays,
not black and white, who goodwho bad exact and good. Now
a great big song the great finalfinal deficies well, gentlemen, like the
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end of the so- called,this ending is going to be good,
like the end, like the finalscene of this movie that we' ve
talked about now. Gentlemen, youhave already gone to be challengerst because we
do enjoy it. I saw inthe movies. You know that. First
the daughter, like it happened withPaul Thinks and that kind of movie.
Choose, good company, pay forthe cinema, because that' s important
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to me, for you felt connectedand lived I said he' s not
thinking that you' re looking atme a lot of my reactions. Choose
good company. I, I mean, what do you mean. With that
we' re clear, it's a movie that we' ve defined
as a drama or an erotic sportstriller. That erotic aspect handles it in
an impressively elegant way, but whathappens is still erotic. I feel like
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that kind of escine you have togo, but with people that you feel
comfortable is seeing something you like onscreen and you dik wow, you don
' t feel like uncomfortable that nextdoor they' re watching. I mean,
don' t go to your mom' s or your religious friend.
Not because I went to a secondsubpoena at last not anything I didn'
t, because that this time Igave it to her. It was a
test. It wasn' t thatI say to people you feel forbidden,
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don' t go or you haveto leave. That is to say,
my master, I was a lotof laughing, I was covering my face,
I was taking the seat, becauseliterally I came out and sweated clearly,
but what a good time I hadwatching that movie. I mean,
yeah, I didn' t expectit. What I like about the film
is that it has a good handlingof this genre, of this erotic genre,
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that many people tend to confuse itwith adult films, that eroticism is
totally different from that type of filmand because eroticism has those elements of tension,
of a lot of body play.But without getting there, you know
nothing about something being consumed. Thereis a lot of attention to the viewer,
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that you have to put it alot to be patient and not necessarily
the climax of the film or thisattention is going to be an encounter,
a sexual encounter, that is,that manifestation of sexual encounter. It can
manifest through something else, in thiscase it is through tennis, through this
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competition between Josh or Conner and MikePhate, who have this rivalry, who
were friends before, best, bestfriends. So in the middle it'
s gone that a broad that isshe was half the drug, she was
master Min exactly like the one sheis, like the guy pulls, the
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puppeteer and the puppeteer so she tellsyou she takes it out there, as
well, like watching everything, becauseyou outside, you would say good a
movie always have like an antihero likea hearer. That' s all she
' s all, she' sthe good one. So in context the
film does have to do with asporty look that for me a lot of
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people said and that' s howit makes that mix. You know what
I mean by eroticism and sport,but I' ll tell you something.
I think there' s no betteringredient than adrenaline, suspense and like that
fire that generates a sport as competitiveas tennis. Yes, and not just
and not just so is that eventhe sounds that players have to be as
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an exact everything, because there areother sports that may not have those elements
that tennis has, but that tennishas as that strength and also as tennis
has. I feel like that areaa little bit of I know as super
human, that you come in,as well as when you have competition,
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like a lot of attitude, alot of discipline and europits you well haired,
you know how it has that partalso of the physicist, that you
have to look good. So,that also brings a lot to the story.
So Challengers was an experience. Imean, I enjoy it too much
and I love it when I goto the movies without knowing that I see
it as being good. Obviously,we had context because of Luca Wadak Mig,
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who is the same as Commiviyornnig Yes, but as she had as several
films as no, as half MalitaMala, or I believed that a super
risky guy to touch topics of relationshipdynamics yes between people, because his entire
film has that in common and henever that relationships. Oh, what'
s the problem with young people?No, no, no, he always
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goes like that to that dark sideof because he access in almost all and
well, here he does the same. But it is that you have the
factor for me that it has anexquisite script, that fun fact of the
same episode, of the director andwriter of past Lives, exact of that
linkson, that is to say goodpast like, which is considered as that
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of a trio, so to speak, a drink the loving, of a
love triangle. Exactly then also herewhat you give that with a triangle love
love that is there that people whokind of people say that double is parallel
story that they are not running me. That' s right, so that
' s very funny, because forme the film works in every way.
I mean casting my god Mike,that is Mike fit I see him vito
(30:26):
in West in Westipe this is good, but here wow, gentlemen like me,
you get like by these people inthe most attractive way, or if
they three, they' re attractive, but it' s from another level.
The casting. It' s tooright for me. The music was
too chille score, but I'm on repete. Me too if an
exercise yesterday and I was listening Imean and I love that it gives music
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or it comes out a moment thatyou don' t stop, it'
s a totally different rhythm than whatyou' re going to do for the
moment. I mean, that shockthat contrast to me brought it too much.
I don' t know. It' s Lucas Juan Dani' s
sexual orientation no, but the filmis too much or that the other gal
is also, that is me,the exact one. Yeah, it'
s like he' s playing withthat. But that too. That'
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s good, because I think thatdeep down, everyone and VI apologize to
me for what they' re listeningto me, they' ve offended.
But then, as he likes thosethemes, as well as dynamics, relationships,
as well as interpersonal, and thisone is going to cor putting and
how creating and leading to it itself, then he for me gets how to
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capture that very well, like atthe end of the attraction for a being
that is, you don' tcare about I agree challengers edem that is,
and besides it' s too funny, because it has a very good
rhythm always, even to the endand you always have suspense, as you
said, they keep you, ifit' s like they force you to
this patient, because in the endthey will listen to you sweetly or not.
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It' s got to be sweet, really sweet, sure, but
you know it' s not.It' s not that it depends,
so they keep you that suspense andtoo good. I mean, gentlemen,
go like this, go to thechar cinema and go and see him at
the movies. I repeat, cinemahas its magic nothing like cinema. You
listen to a chapter of yours Let' s see. You stay here and
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give me the face. I,gentlemen, was doing that in that movie.
I do because it was more likegoing to people' s comments.
I mean, that brings you tomaking history a machula. Then go see
Chang yous Acine pick me in yourcompany. Of course I do. So
thank you for listening to this episode, where we talk about the last three
eis, well, most recent story, that we have loved, that they
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have not marked, that no longermake us be the same after seeing them
that gave us new personalities. Yeah, well, it' s too heavy
a conversation. I loved it,but we don' t see each other
in the next tentent pentament chapter.The film mouth is a podcast recorded in
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American Dominican studios and produced by DennisGómez and Loren Fernández. Listen to all
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