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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We got a question for American mama's. Dear mama's, are
you surprised by the passing of Hayden Panettier, Well.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's ask our American mama's.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Mama, and is now our American mama's Terry Neteville.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was. I watched Hayden Panettier in the TV show Heroes,
which was it was one of my favorite shows that
got ruined by the writers strike.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh remember that the show, but everyone talks about it now.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The first season absolutely amazing. Hayden panere was the star
of it. She was, you know, one of the the
central characters and her character could heal. And then the
second and third season, the writer strike came and it
was just it was never as good. Yeah, but but
she was, you know, she was a pretty big star.
(01:01):
But I think you could always from a fairly early time,
you could tell she was struggling.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
With stuff, Yeah, you could, you know. I remember I
fell in love with her as an actress, remember the Titans.
And then she was on the movie with Denzel Washington, Yes,
and then Nashville, and I thought she was a beautiful singer.
She's a beautiful person. But if you go back and
you see her as a little bitty girl on like
(01:27):
Rosie O'Donnell. She was adorable and I mean you could
just see that that she was full of life. She
had a talent, a true gift inside of her to
be a performer. But as she aged, you saw her
go out partying with Paris Hilton. She was fifteen years old, smoking,
drinking with a lot of adults. And then suddenly you
(01:47):
started hearing the whispers of her drug use and her
you know, after her brother died in his thirties. You know,
in recent years, they said that just killed her and
she just turned to drugs. And she had an abusive
boyfriend who was actually with her on again, off again.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
On again, off again. But yeah, she talked to her
memoir about that was an abusive relationship. And yet look,
she was a smart lady. Yeah she wasn't a complete idiot,
but she did things that she knew weren't right, and
going back to a guy that had been abusive, going
back to drugs over and over. I remember back when
(02:26):
she was either late teens, early twenties, there was a
clip I saw on TMZ and there's a Papa Razzi
saw her out walking in La with some other people
and they go, hey, Lindsay, Lindsay Lohan, Lindsay, and she
got she turned was it, do not call me her.
I don't want to be associated with any of that.
(02:48):
And what I got the feeling at the time was
because that was when Lindsay Lohan was at her lowest,
just absolute rock bottom, and all of us were fairly
convinced Lindsay Lohan wasn't long for this world. And I thought,
you know, this is a girl who doesn't want to
fall into that. And that was what was clear, was
that she did not want to be confused at the
time with somebody who was at rock bottom, and yet
(03:09):
she did.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That happens to a lot of these childhood stars, like
you said, Lindsay Lohan, Ariana Grande, the singer that's Miley Cyrus.
All of these young actors and actresses that come up,
especially on Nickelodeon or Disney, they end up harming themselves.
But what we have since discovered is they are surrounded
(03:32):
by predators and perverts. They are introduced to a world
that is not that their brain and their spirit is
not ready for. And so I would never let my
child or my grandchild be a part of anything like that,
because now we see over and over even those who
are still successful, like Justin Bieber, who are you know,
wildly rich and successful, but you can see they've got
(03:55):
demons inside of the deal with the damage. And the
thing with Hayden, though, is she had a mamager. This
mom of hers was a soap opera actress who didn't
make it. So her ticket, her meal ticket, was Hayden. Right.
When Hayden turned nineteen years old, she decided to confront
her mom and say, look, mom, I don't I'd rather
(04:19):
have a mom than a manager. Yeah, And the mom said,
you owe me. That's what Hayden said in her book.
Her mother responded, you owe me. So she felt used
and abused. And here's the thing about her boyfriend and
people like her. You think, oh, you know, abusive relationships,
that's just for the you know, the poor, or you know,
(04:39):
that's just for weak women. There are strong women like
Hayden who are abused and they continue, for whatever reason,
to go back to that abuser unless.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You're able to heal those wounds. Yeah, to really heal
those wounds. They're still open, right, you know, I was
talking to who I was doing some counseling with someone
for lack of a better word, and I was talking
to them about this, and I said, if I bet you,
there's probably if I just said one sentence that was
(05:12):
the wrong sentence to you, it would be like I'm
stabbing you in the gut. And she went yeah, and
I said, that is something that's got to be healed.
Otherwise that becomes a mechanism by which you can be manipulated,
by which you can't fall, by which you can be attacked.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, And then think about people like Hayden who they
had all that love and adoration at a young age,
and then they peter out. They don't get that anymore,
they don't have any money, and all they can do
is turn to drugs and turn to harm themselves.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And what is highly unusual. All that love and adoration
they start to think of as being normal, and when
it's gone, they then feel abnormal. Yeah, very sad. I
wish she'd had a better ending. But if you like us, Skermerica.
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MoMA's button turned ed. Thank you so much, thank you,