How a “Hunting Accident” Exposed a Million-Dollar Murder Plot | Larry Rudolph - Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide

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Welcome to indie podcasts with a dark Side. On the
morning of October eleventh, twenty sixteen, in Kafu National Park, Zambia,
police got a call at around five am reporting a
woman had accidentally shot herself while packing her firearm in
the couple's hunting cabin. Lawrence and Larry Rudolph, a wealthy

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Pittsburgh area dentist, told police that he was taking a
shower when he heard the gunshot. When he got out,
he found his wife, Bianca Rudolph, on the bedroom floor,
bleeding from a fatal twelve gage shotgun wound to the
chest and a heart Larry speculated that the weapon, possibly

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left loaded from the previous day's hunt, discharged while Bianca
was trying to pack it into its travel case.

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and murder. A game scout named Spencer Kacoma heard the
blast and ran to the cabin. He said it took

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him about fifteen seconds to get inside and what he
found he said he was shocked. Bianca was on the
floor in a pool of blood, the shotgun partially zipped
into its soft case with a hole torn through one end.
Spencer said Larry was kneeling over her, crying and saying, quote,

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what am I going to tell my children? Larry was
described as a powerful and charismatic person. He was a
dentist who built a successful dental empire in the Pittsburgh,
PA area after graduating from the University of Pittsburgh's dental school.
His practice, initially the dentistry before he started the rival

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Three Rivers Dental group across the street, was known for
promoting sedation dentistry. This was back in the eighties, so
it was long before like we're used to sedation now,
but it was long before sedation was mainstream in dentistry.
He said himself that he recognized early on how afraid
people were of dental work, so he built a model

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where his patients could get multiple procedures done in one
session and still, as he said, make it home for dinner.
He opened more locations, ran flashy TV commercials, and carefully
cultivated the image of a confident, successful doctor. Larry also
had a darker side. Former colleagues reported how he would

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throw fits of rage and chuck dental equipment into walls
and at employees wow, and his relationships with female employees
were often questioned. Marianne Versus Messen, a previous dental assistant
at the practice, said Larry quote always had someone on

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the side, and he would come on to everybody in
the office. Can you imagine a boss being like that.
I've never experienced that or even seen it, so I
couldn't even imagine. In the mid two thousands, his former
partners accused him of supposedly stealing and embezzelin money. They
had given him an ultimatum walk away or face charges,

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and Larry said, all right, pace and walked away. But
then he turned around and started his own competing company
right in front of them. So this is kind of
what I was telling y'all before he opened and ran
the Three Rivers Dental Group, which was a chain that
he built across the street from his old partners, the dentistry.

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The gahonis I mean, but seriously, if he really wasn't
stealing and they were just accusing him of stealing, I
would have done the same thing. However, if he was
stealing an embezzling again. The guarhonis Bianca Rudolph, who Larry
met at the University of Pittsburgh and married in nineteen

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eighty two, was an amazing mother and the best friend
of their son. They had two children, Julian and Anna Bianca,
and the family moved to Phoenix, Arizona for time around
twenty fourteen. Bianca played a big role behind the scenes,
helping Larry build his initial practice. She handled payroll and
insurance before she eventually became a full time mother. She

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was described as very beautiful auburn hair, and she wore
expensive furs, and people who knew her said she brought
out the best in Larry. Larry was also an avid
big game hunter, frequently going on safari sometimes two or
three times a year. His taxidermy collection included impressive trophies.
And I say that in heavy quotes because I think

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game hunting is sick and if you have a problem
with my thoughts on this, then you're free to leave
my podcast. Anyway, He had what he called trophies like
a white rhino, leopards, elephant tusks, and a polar bear.
He even served as president of the prestigious, once again
heavy quotes, Safari Club International until he was ousted, partly

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for showcasing his extramarital affair. Larry had already demonstrated questionable
behavior in his board's opinion regarding insurance in two thousand
and six, claiming a crocodile had attacked him in Zambia
while fishing, resulting in losing his left thumb. He filed
a workman's disability insurance claim, arguing that he needed all

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ten fingers as a dentist and he suffered nerve damage
in his hand. His disability claim was approved, resulting in
thirty thousand dollars per month in tax free disability payments
thirty thousand dollars a month. However, his former colleagues didn't

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believe the story. Like Larry, Bianca was a talented big
game hunter. Air quotes again, a game scout noted that
she was one of the best he'd hunted with, often
killing animals with a single shot. Although they seemed to
have a peaceful, traditional suburban upbringing for their children, both
Larry and Bianca had cheated on each other during their

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thirty four year marriage. They had a long standing open
marriage and rise intension. As Larry's career grew and his
ego grew alongside with it, their marriage was on the
rocks and people around them saw it too. Colleagues noticed
Larry belittling Bianca at office functions. However, the biggest barrier

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between them was Beyonca's Catholic faith. Divorce wasn't an option
for her. According to friends, She told Larry she would
never agree to one, and that she'd expose him the fears,
the money, and take half of everything if he ever
tried to divorce her. So for Larry that meant he

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was trapped. Then there was a Lorie Milern, Larry's longtime
mistress and office manager. Oh no, he's mixing business with pleasure,
a relationship that deepened over more than a decade. They
traveled together and even attended parties openly. Wow. Laurie stayed

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loyal through his business drama, So she stayed loyal to
the business or to the man that was cheating on
his wife. By twenty fourteen, that's when Larry and Bianca
had moved full time to Phoenix, Arizona, leaving Lauri and
Pittsburgh to manage the dental group. Anna Grimley, a manager
at Three Rivers, claimed that by twenty fifteen, Laurie was

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exhausted by the long distance affear and tired of being
on the side. She was tired of being a side chick.
Anna said that Laurie gave Larry an ultimatum to get
rid of Bianca within one year because she wanted Bianca's life,
or Laurie, you could have just gotten your own, man.

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I'm sorry, but you were a side chick. You don't
tell him to get rid of his wife. You get
your own man. That's when in late September twenty sixteen,
Larry and Bianca went on a ten day hunting trip
to Cafu National Park in Zambia. Bianca was specifically open
to bag a leopard. So now that we're all caught up,

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Zambian Senior Investigators Officer Musua Musise found Larry's story suspicious,
noting that although Larry had said that he was in
this shower when this happened, Spencer said he was fully
clothed when he arrived, and remember that was only like
fifteen seconds. Also, hunting protocol required weapons to be cleared

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of ammunition, and Spencer confirmed seeing Bianca clear her shotgun
the night before. He didn't understand how someone as skilled
as Bianca could make that kind of mistake. People who
hunted with Bianca always said the same thing. She wasn't careless,
not with guns and not with anything else. One witness

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said she was as good as a shot as most
men he knew, if not better. I mean you being
a woman has nothing to do with how well you
can shoot a gun. I can understand if she was
like blind in one eye, and he was just like,
oh my god, she still shoots so well, but she
just has boobs and a vadge like that has nothing

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to do with how well you shoot a gun. Despite
all of that, though, just two days later, Zambian authorities
accepted Larry's version of things and ruled Biyanca's death an accident.
After that, Larry wasted no time. Just hours after she died,
eleven hours to be exact, he was already contact in

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the US embassy asking how quickly she could be cremated,
Like whoa, whoa, whoa, sir, why are you in such
a hurry to cremate her? This move bothered the consular chief,
Otto Westhassel, who said something about the situation felt off
against the nore. He personally went to the funeral home

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before the cremation, photographed Bianca's body, measured the shotgun wound,
and documented everything because he had that bad feeling. Bianca's
body was then cremated three days after she died, and
Larry was livid when he found out about Auto taking pictures. Also,

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by this point, Larry still hadn't even told their children
that Bianca was dead. After the cremation was carried out.
Larry returned to the United States with Beyonca's remains and
wasted more no time collecting nearly five million dollars in

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life insurance. And I know that sentence didn't make any sense,
but I just wanted to point out, like he was
wasting time before to get her cremated, and he's not
wasting time again to collect the insurance money he collected
from nine policies nine with seven different companies, getting four million,

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eight hundred seventy seven thousand, seven hundred forty four dollars
and ninety three cents in total. It's a ninety three
cents that's getting me. It was just like, why couldn't
you just make it seven hundred forty five even it's
it's always the cents with these big numbers, It'll be
like one hundred thousand billion dollars or whatever whatever, and

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fifty cents, Like, come on, I think once you get
to a high number, like the cens doesn't matter anymore.
Let's just round it out. All of this money was
hinging on his claim that her death was an accident.
He even fought one company to get an extra million dollars,
arguing that it should pay out because Bianca died in

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an accident. Like, dude, you have four point eight million dollars,
you're arguing for another million dollars and I'm sorry you
were already wealthy before that. You're arguing for another million dollar?
Like how greedy can some people be? Larry then spent
millions on properties and cars and appaired fixated on the

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insurance payout. Within three months of Beyonca's death, Oh Laurie
moved into Larry's Arizona home and they started building a
lavish life together, including a home that was paid for
with three point five million dollars in cash. The reality
was that Larry moved quickly in every way that benefited Larry.

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That's what people started noticing, and by people, I mean
even law enforcement. And that's one reason why the FBI
eventually stepped in. Another is that weeks after the death,
a friend of Beyonca's reached out to the FBI at
the US Embassy in South Africa, telling them that the

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cremation went against Byanca's strict Catholic beliefs. She also told
them about Larry's affair and the money fights. Most importantly,
she said that quote Larry will never divorce her because
he doesn't want to lose his money, and she's never
going to divorce him because of her Catholicism. The FBI

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opened their official investigation in twenty nineteen, and once they
started digging, they found more than just motive. They found
the money, the conflicting stories, the previous insurance issues, and
the affair that wasn't just a side relationship. It looked
like a replacement life was already waiting in the wings.

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That's what I'm saying. They made it look so obvious.
First of all, you rushed to cremate her, Then you
rushed to get the money. Then this woman was living
in your house after only three It's just booh. You
might as well have just held up that newspaper and
say you did it just you might as well. FBI
agents Donald Peterson and Scott Dalstrom conducted forensic testing, including

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a reach study using a woman of Bianca's size and
a twelve gage shotgun. They concluded that the six centimeter
defect to Bianca's heart could only have been caused if
the gun was fired from a distance of at least
two feet away, with estimates ranging up to eight feet.
So between two and eight feet away, basically far enough

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that you wouldn't accidentally pull the trigger while zipping a case,
far enough that the person holding the gun wasn't Bianca.
So now this evidence pointed directly to homicide, not accidental.
The pivotal evidence came in early twenty twenty. Brian Lovelace,

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a bartender at Stake forty four in Phoenix, said that
during a heated argument between Larry and Lorie, the music
momentarily stopped. Y'all know what I'm talking about is loud music,
so you're usually shouting. Didn't you hear what I just said?
And right when you're about to say something embarrassing, the
music stopped. I said, I farted. Uh, you know that's

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what happened. So they were in this bar and yelling
something and the music stopped, and in that brief silence
between songs he heard Larry said quote, I killed my
f and wife for you, and then he added that
the FBI was after him. I don't care how loud

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the music was. Why are you saying these things in public?
Because even if the music was loud, there could have
still been somebody right next to you, or even somebody
red lips and they just hear you or see you
saying this. Are you stupid? Now? So even though the
FBI has all this stuff, remember that Bianca's body can't

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even be re examined directly because Larry had her cremated.
So the case was built slowly. And even though it
was built slowly, they worked very hard on it, and
on December twenty one, twenty twenty one, Larry was finally
arrested for murder and mail fraud. Laurie was also arrested

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for being an accessory after the fact and for perjury.
This happened as he and Laurie were traveling to Cabo
San Lucas, Mexico, and he was deported to Denver, Colorado.
I wonder why Denver, because they're from PA. They met
and married, and his dental practice was in PA. Then

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they moved to Phoenix. Why were they just randomly sent
to Denver, Colorado? Okay, so real story here. I had
to pause and go see why he was deported to Denver, Colorado,
because I just wasn't understanding that, And apparently I didn't
have that in this report, but I did have it
in my notes, and I know some people are gonna

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be like, and may God, what kind of true crime
podcaster are you? You need to do more research. I've
heard it, like, I know y'all are gonna be like, No,
nobody's gonna say that, kai, I have heard it, yes,
to which I will respond, I am only human. Sometimes
I make mistakes. I know you make mistakes too, if
that's not acceptable to you as a true crime podcaster,

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which I caught my mistake because I had a question
and I wanted to see but it was just in
my notes, but I didn't put it in my report
that I read off to y'all. But if that's like,
that's where you crossed the line, then there's nothing I
could say about that anyways. So the reason that the
government wanted to prosecute Larry was because the primary case

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agent was there. So that's why he was deported to Denver, Colorado.
So a grand jury indicted Larry in early twenty twenty
two for foreign murder and mail fraud. Laurie was indicted
as well for being an accessory to homicide, obstruction a
grand jury proceeding, and perjury for lying during her grand

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jury testimony in January twenty twenty two, when she said
that she thought Larry gave her cash to be generous
before Bianca's death. I'm sorry, that's not funny, but really,
you really tried to play that. I'm so innocent because
I just thought he gave me money to be generous. Really,

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and then she also didn't mention that she was his mistress.
So yeah, perjury all up and threw this bee. When
their three week joint trials started in Federal Court in
Denver in July twenty twenty two, it was presided over
by Senior Judge William J. Martinez, and it was like
watching all the inconsistencies from twenty sixteen come back one

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by one. The prosecution, led by US Attorney Bishop Greenwell,
presented a case built on circumstantial evidence, motive, and forensic reality.
They argued that Larry murdered Bianca for two reasons, to
collect nearly five million dollars in life insurance and to
be free to live openly with Lori. Witnesses from Zambia,

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insurance agents, people from the dental office, forensic gun experts,
Bianca's friends, and everybody else painted the same picture. So
these are all the people they called to the stand,
and they all had the same picture to paint, and
then the bartender testified, telling the jury exactly what Larry said, quote,

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I killed my f and wife free. And when that
was said, everybody was just like, oh, like that to
have been a crazy like wow, Like what did they
call that? That would have been the smoking gun, Like,
oh my god. Finally, they pointed to Larry's unbothered demeanor
and fixation on rapid cremation immediately after the death. Larry's

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defense team, led by attorney David Marcus, maintained that the
prosecution had a quote total bs case. I can't believe
they said that. In callt it literally says, hey, quote
total bullshit case. Wow, that's your defense, your honor. His
case is bullshit based on speculation over science and fiction

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over fact. Literally, that's I'm saying a quote here. Larry
himself took the stand, denying the murder and insisting that
it was a tragic packing accident. He told the jury quote,
I did not kill my wife. I could not murder
my wife. I would not murder my wife. I did
not have sex. Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Anyways, the

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defense argued counter arguments for every major point. Number one,
the confession, Larry claimed that Brian misheard the noisy restaurant
conversation and that he had actually said, now, they said,
I killed my f and wife for you. Referring to
the FBI investigation. Number two, the financial motive, Marcus argued

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that Larry was already extremely wealthy, which is what I
was saying, with a dental practice alone valued at ten
million dollars and a net worth of around twenty seven
million dollars, meaning he had no financial motivation to commit murder. Furthermore,
Larry claimed he placed a nearly five million dollar insurance

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payout in a trust for his children and that it
just sat there. Well, if you're saying that, then there
should be proof of that. Did you bring any proof
to show the trust, like from back when you got
the insurance payout, not that you just opened the trust yesterday,
but from back when you got the insurance payout, and

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that it was just sitting there. And if so, my
next question is why were you arguing about a million dollars? Then?
Number three, the affair and the motive. Larry testified that
he and Bianca had been in an open marriage since
two thousand and were reasonably happy with the arrangement, arguing

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the affair with Laurie was not a reason to kill.
Attorney Marcus insisted that quote of fears aren't evidence of murder.
Number four, the cremation. The defense presented Bianca's will, which
stipulated her wish to be cremated, arguing that this explained
Larry's actions. Yeah, but why so fast? Why didn't she

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wait for the investigation to start so they could say that, Okay, yes,
this was Dunnoch's accidentally, Like, why were you in such
a hurry? Then Laurie spoke, and she denied everything. The
ultimatum quote. There was no ultimatum. Why would I wait
fifteen years to give him an ultimatum? It just doesn't

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make sense. She denied the pressure and the confession. But
the jury heard about the lavish trips, the infidelity, the
year she had spent by Larry's side while Bianca had
no idea that she was being replaced, And then they
heard about all the lies Laurie told the agents, lies
about her relationship with Larry, lies about his financing, and

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lies about statements she overheard. After the trial, Laurie was
found guilty on four of seven counts. She was convicted
of accessory after the fact to murder, obstruction of justice,
and two counts ofury. She was acquitted of the three
other perjury counts. When it was Larry's turn to sit

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there and listen to the verdict, he looked stunned while
the jury found him guilty of murdering Bianca and of
all the related fraud charges. Laurie was sentenced in June
twenty twenty three to seventeen years in federal prison. During
the sentence in hearing, Bianca's daughter Anna Bianca, addressed Lauri directly,

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quote Laurie, you have taken my parents, but despite everything
you have done, she said, you will never take my soul.
This might be difficult to understand, as the daughter said,
because you don't have one. Judge Martinez handed down the
lengthy sentence because evidence suggested Laurie had been encouraging the crime.

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He also said that Laurie appeared quote, unrepentant during the
trial when shown graphic feos and listening to wrenching testimony.
Laurie insisted that she was innocent. Her former attorney, John
Dill called a sentence excessive, and she is currently appealing
her conviction. Laurie is incarcerated at FCI Marianna and Florida,

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with a release date listed as April fifteen, twenty thirty six.
The romantic relationship, Oh, of course as usual. Oh my god,
the romantic relationship between Larry and Laurie has ended all
of that. For freakin' what y'all were supposed to be soulmates,

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weren't you to the point that now Bianca's gone, now
that y'all in prison, the relationship, this is what I'm
talking about. All you had to do was stay with
your wife. I guess if you didn't want to lose
your money, all you have to do is stay with
your wife and not having a fair partner. This is
literally it. If you were more worried about your affair
part partner, then you could have just given up half

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your money. You were still a millionaire, you were still
going to be a millionaire and get what, you're a
fair partner. But all of this happened and then y'all
broke up. Make it make sense? So anyway, during a
jailhouse call interview, they confirmed that they no longer even

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speak all of this for okay, I'm gonna shut up.
Larry was sentenced in August twenty twenty three, one year
after his conviction. He received a sentence of life in
prison for Bianca's murder, along with a concurrent twenty year
sentence for mail fraud. The judge called Bianca's death cold

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blooded and premeditated, and said the insurance money and the
affair gave Larry a strong motive enough for him to
destroy his own family. She said his lives were quote brazen, manipulative,
and calculated, and that the evidence made it clear that
Beyonduka didn't die in an accident at all. She died

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because Larry wanted her gone. US attorney Cole Finnegan stated
that this result showed quote no matter how much money, prestige,
or power you have, you will be held accountable for
your crimes. Jura Amanda said that some jurors were unsure
until Larry testified. So basically what she's saying is some

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of the jurors didn't know if he was guilty or
not guilty until he started running his freaking mouth, at
which point he quote really did change their mind to
thinking that he was guilty. That's a quote. Jura Toni
said that quote Larry was Larry's own downfall. In addition

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to incarceration, Larry was ordered to pay four million, eight
hundred seventy seven thousand, seven hundred forty four dollars in restitution.
What about the cens where's the change? I want my
twenty five cents? He had to pay that to the
defrauded insurance companies, and a massive two million dollar fine.
On top of that, He was also required to forfeit

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all assets purchased after receiving the insurance payout. Was it
worth it? Answer me? That was it worth it? Forfeited
assets included two multimillion dollar homes and luxury cars like
an Aston Martin dB eleven and a Bentley Benteyaga. I
guess that's how you say it. Larry's legal fight is

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still ongoing. Now. Remember how baffled I was that Larry
was deported to Denver Well. Larry tried that as an appeal.
In April twenty twenty three, a Denver federal judge denied
Larry a new trial. His convictions were subsequently upheld by
the Denver based US Court of Appeals for the Tenth

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Circuit on September tenth, twenty twenty five. Larry had appealed
several contentions, including the trial location, arguing that he was
arrested in Mexico or first brought to Atlanta in twenty sixteen,
but not Denver, and the refusal to try him separately
from LORI. So basically he's saying, look, I was never

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brought to Denver. Why did the trial happen in Denver?
I was brought to Atlanta first, I was arrested in Mexico.
There was no Denver in the mix until you deported
me here, So why was a trial here? And then
apparently he tried to get his trials separately from LORII,
but they refused, so he tried to appeal that too.

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The Tenth Circuit rejected all contentions, concluded that Larry was
first arrested and I put that in quotes because that's
how it was in the report, meaning restrained of his
liberty in connection with that charge in Denver. When he
re entered the country and was detained, then he was

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charged with foreign murder while on the plane from Mexico.
So while you were up here on your way from Mexico,
that's when you were charged with foreign murder. And when
you re entered the country in Denver, that's where you
were detained. So it's kind of a play on words
and play on timelines and stuff. But ultimately they said

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they didn't do anything wrong, so they upheld that Denver
was a proper site for the trial. The panel also
agreed with Judge Martinez that Laurie never definitively committed to
testifying on Larry's behalf in a separate trial, so shut up,
get back to prison. Meanwhile, Larry's children, Julian and Anna Bianca,

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have been engaged in a complicated legal battle with the
Justice Department to recover the confiscated assets and money Larry
took from Beyanca's estate. I didn't even think about that,
because they took all of his money, even the money
that probably belonged to Bianca, which means that they took

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money from the children too, which they're adults now, but
you know what I'm saying. Julian initially defended his father,
writing in a sworn affidavit that they knew him better
than anyone and that he was innocent. However, Julian later recanted,
stating that he could no longer stand by that statement
after seeing the evidence quote horrifying photos and here in

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sole crushing testimony during the trial, Julian tearfully described his
mother as his best friend Larry's now seventy years old
and sitting in a federal prison at the United States
Penitentiary USP in Tara Haut, Indiana. No safari lodges, no
private trips, no fancy dental empire, no money to fight over,

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and no Lory at his side. And Bianca, the person
he should have protected, is the one whose absence still
hangs over every part of this case. What do you
think of this case? Let me know your thoughts in
the comments below. I told you all most of my thoughts,
but the one that I left out was did you

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see how fast the Zambian police just shut the case,
even though there was suspicion, and they didn't even wait
for the evidence. They just accepted what he said then
immediately allowed him to flee the country. Was anyone else
disturbed by that? Or was it just me? Let me
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Dominique Dune, who was strangled by her ex boyfriend, who
then received a light sentence that ended up sparkling outrage
and victim rights reform. Candy Sharie. So, Candy, actually, Spotify
automatically hid your comment because they deemed it as sensitive.
And I didn't see any problem with your comments, so

(34:43):
I'm gonna read it on here. Candy said, this is
just a prime example of that old school mentality where
men viewed women as nothing but their property. That judge
did not give a damn. I wonder if he would
have felt the same way if John had been involved
with his daughter, niece, etc. This episode just pissed me off. Candy,

(35:05):
I hear you, and I feel what you're saying, and
I have a feeling this episode of Larry Rudolph probably
pissed you off too, because it sure did me. Deborah
double m says and Deborah, I'm just not gonna say
your whole name on here, So if you're Deborah MM,
you know who I'm talking about. She said. My mom
was a long distance operator. If someone's phone was busy,

(35:28):
a customer could call the operator and request an emergency
cut in, so they would end the call and free
the line. That way they could get through. I think
there was a charge to have an operator do that,
but I'm not positive. Thank you, Deborah, I didn't even
know that for real. And I mean, if it's serious enough,
I would pay that charge. Like if I'm trying to

(35:49):
get through to my mother and you know, i haven't
heard from her in a couple days or something like that,
and I keep calling and it's been busy for a cup,
I would totally pay that charge. The next came from
the case titled she poured boiling water on him? Justice
or Vengeance? This was the case of Corina Smith, and

(36:11):
this case was about Karna pouring boiling sugar water over
her eighty one year old husband while he slept because
there was allegations that he had sexually abused her children,
including their late son. Michael died weeks later, and Karina
was sentenced to life in prison for the murder. So

(36:32):
Chloe Xoxo said, how can the judge say Michael was
an elderly man and vulnerable. Those children were vulnerable children.
He was about to die anyway, he lived his life.
Them children's lives were ruined and one ended. I'm pretty sure, Chloe,
that I was ranting on that case too. I can't remember.

(36:54):
I would have to go back and listen, but I'm
pretty sure because sometimes, you know, when i'm researching the case,
I'm ranting them, and then as i'm putting the case
out to y'all, I'm ranting then, and then as I'm
editing the case, I'm ranting then, So sometimes I can't
keep track of my rantings. So I'm pretty sure I

(37:14):
ranted about what the judge said about him. I don't
know if it was on air or off, but either
way I agree with you. Vicky Stevenson said, I would
have put a sack of sugar in ew the creep
poor lady. You would have made it more sticky. Vicky?
Is that sticky? Vicky?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Sticky? Vicky? You're so iky?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
You're not icky. That's just from fairly odd parents. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. That just made me remember that song. Were
you trying to say you would put a sack of
sugar in made it even more sticky? Vicky? Is that
what you were saying? So thank you y'all for your comments.
You know I always love your comments. And finally, I
want to say that very few people didn't like the

(37:57):
comments I left and last Mondays at the Pods, and
by very few, I mean like one or two said something,
but most people understood. And I don't apologize for what
I said. Y'all are my online besties, and I tell
you the good, the bad and everything in between that's
going on with me and the podcast. So if that
doesn't meet with your standards, and I understand, I mean,

(38:17):
I'm not mad at you. This is just how I
run LAMB and I still love you. Thank you so
much for listening. Thank you so much for putting out
your opinions and telling me if you liked it or
you didn't. But I'm just letting you know that I
don't apologize for saying it. Speaking of which, though Christina, Bobo,
and Christina, I haven't heard from you in so long
I missed you. Christina also left a comment under that episode,

(38:40):
which was the case of Brian Kohey. She said, to
be honest, his parents should also face charges for not
getting him help sooner. His peers called him Jeffrey Dahmer.
There's no way that his folks didn't know the depths
of his depravity. The mom finding a head and not
immediate needately calling the cops tells me that she would

(39:03):
have covered for him if her husband allowed it. Glad
he'll never hit those streets again. I love episodes where
I hear your voice. AI doesn't capture your emotions and
I need someone to rage with. Haters will hate you.
Focus on quality and not quantity. Your true followers understand
and appreciate your vision. Chairs to season six. Thank you

(39:26):
so much. Christina. First of all, you know I always
love to hear from you, so I'm so excited to
see you back. I guess you took a break or
you just weren't commenting that much either way, So excited
to see you back. Second of all, Yeah, I didn't
even think about that while I was recording. I don't
think I put that in a recording. But definitely, if
his peers and everybody else saw this in him, you

(39:48):
can't tell me that his parents didn't see this in him.
Maybe they were just ignoring it. Maybe they were just
because it's your child, you know, Maybe they were just
trying to like convince themselves that this is not what
they want seeing. But what you said about the mother,
I kind of see where you're coming from. I don't
know if I agree or disagree, but I definitely see
where you're coming from. And also, yeah, about the AI,

(40:12):
that's my issue with it because some of these cases
I do in it, Like a lot of these cases
I do actually, and it goes out with the AI.
But it's like I wanted to rant about it. I
wanted to rage about it. So it was like killing
me that it was still going out with the AI
and I couldn't like put my emotions in there. So yeah,

(40:33):
I do appreciate that, y'all. Allowed me to test it
out for season five. As you know, I'll still keep
the AI for the times that I'm sick and always December.
December is my off month, so y'all have AI, Jane
Jensen and Jessica in December, so whenever I have to
take a sick day or Decembers, you'll have them. But yeah,

(40:55):
as many episodes as they were doing, I just I didn't.
I didn't I personally I didn't like it. I appreciated them,
but I just didn't like it because I couldn't put
forth my emotions that you know I'm used to, y'all
are used to, the victims, families are used to. This
is this is what Love and Murder is about, the
raw emotion. So yeah, I just I couldn't continue on

(41:20):
with the AI like full time how it was in
season five. So I do appreciate all of you that
stuck around for you know, the testing in season five,
and I appreciate you if you stick around with season
six as well. Thank you so much Christina for understanding,
then everybody else that understood, and even thank you for
those who don't understand. Thank you for sticking with me.

(41:41):
Thank you for not sticking with me whichever way it is.
But yeah, I'm I kind of I'm kind of excited
about season six. I definitely am gonna be putting out
more episodes than just once a week. I don't think
I'll do it on a consistent basis. I will consistently
put out one episode a week, but I have so
many cases that I want to talk about, so I

(42:03):
know it's going to be here and day. I'm just
going to be dropping episodes, but definitely once a week
your Monday episodes, that is definite, But I don't want
to tie myself into well, I'll put out Mondays and
Wednesdays and Fridays, you know what I'm saying. It's just
and as I build a team, then I'll be able
to come back with Monday, Wednesday, Friday, definitely, and it

(42:26):
will be me because now I have people to help
me edit and everything like that. So I'm so truly,
truly thankful for everybody who sticks around through the ups
and the downs and everything in between. I'm thankful for
your understanding and I really really love my journey with LAMB.
I don't want to quit the podcast. I do it

(42:48):
for a reason. I just have to pivot for financial reasons.
You know what I'm saying. So podcasts still going to
be here. But thank you for understanding, thank you for
your time, and that is all that I have for
you today. Don't forget that all the past cases that
I mentioned here, the links are in the show notes below.

(43:09):
So if you haven't heard the cases, or if you
forgot the cases and you just wanted to go back
and listen, then just go to the show notes below
and each episode and their links are there. And if
you want more cases and the bonus episodes that almost
never make it to the public feed, and if they do,
it's like years later, then join us over on Thepatreon

(43:30):
Patreon dot com Forward Slash Love and Murder. We did
a full breakdown on how Richard Allen was finally caught
in the Delphi murders. The gun, the hidden phone video,
the confession, and then on top of that, I had
the video that the police saw as proof that the
girl took of who was following them. So that's even

(43:50):
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(44:14):
And as I end each full episode, I want to
remind you that it's say it with me now, all
love and no murder.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Thank you for being here with me, thank you for
supporting the show, and as always, thank you for your
time and I'll see you in the next episode. Bye.

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