No Body, No Problem? Texas Realtor Vanishes After Calling Her Mother in Fear | Suzanne Simpson

On October 7, 2024, a Texas mother vanished after failing to pick up her daughter from school ... something she never missed. Within hours, friends were calling police, her husband was spinning excuses, and investigators began uncovering a trail of lies.

Suzanne Simpson’s disappearance out of Olmos Park quickly spiraled into one of Texas’s most haunting “no body” murder cases, one built on surveillance footage, digital evidence, and a husband who couldn’t keep his story straight.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now part of the dark Cast Network. Welcome to indie
podcasts with a Dark Side. At three pm on October seventh,
twenty twenty four, administrators at the Howard Early Childhood Center
called Brad Simpson. His five year old daughter hadn't been
picked up from school, something his wife, Suzanne never failed

(00:20):
to do. By that evening, Suzanne's friends became worried she
wasn't answering her phone and no one had seen her
since the night before. One friend called Brad directly asking
if he had reported her missing. He hadn't. When the
friend said that she was going to report Suzanne missing herself,
Brad finally left a voicemail for the almost part police chief,

(00:43):
claiming he hadn't seen Suzanne since eleven pm the previous
night and that she'd lost her phone at hib Now.
For those of you who don't know what Achib is,
it's a popular grocery chain in parts of the US. However,
his call came from fourteen minutes after his wife's friend
had already filed the report herself. Welcome Lambs. Welcome to

(01:08):
Love and Murder, Heartbreak to Homicide, the weekly true crime
podcast that tells you real stories of relationships that turn deadly.
I'm Kai, and around here I tell these cases with
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you might hear a little frustration, and maybe you might
hear few rants along the way. Before we jump in,

(01:28):
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Love and Murder. Now, before we get into it, I
do want to shout out a podcast that I was
recently on as a guest host, Tragedy with of You.

(02:12):
The link to the YouTube video is in the show
notes below. So on this podcast, this was bear month
for them and the story we discussed was in two
thousand and five, where Greg and Matt Matthews sat themselves
in the Alaskan brush. Bow in hand, Matt had a
moose call, and as hours turned into days, they were
just waiting for their opportunity to bring home a prize,

(02:34):
and the prize was a freezer full of meat to
help feed Matt's family. What they hadn't expected was to
instead find themselves in a life or death situation, which
led to Greg's wild awakening. It was an insane story
of a bear tech and you don't want to miss
it again. The link to this YouTube video is in

(02:56):
the show notes below. Also, before we get started, be
sure to state to the end of this episode, I
have a surprise and update on one of our past
cases for you. Now, grab your butts, grab your delicious
glass of apple juice, and let's get back into this
case of love and murder. Side note, this case is
still ongoing, so I'm going to start out by saying

(03:18):
that everything said here is alleged. On October eighth, twenty
twenty four, Suzanne was officially listed as a miss in person.
Flyers went out that afternoon, and the community rallied to
search for her. The official Texas Department of Public Safety
missing person reported Suzanne Clark Simpson as case number M
two four to one zero zero zero three, saying that

(03:41):
she was last seen in Almost Park, Bexar County, on
October seventh, twenty twenty four. Fifty one year old Suzanne
and fifty three year old Brad had been married for
twenty two years, raising four children together. Friends and acquaintances
described them as an established couple in the community, with
Brad working as a businessman while Suzanne pursued a career

(04:04):
as a realtor. Their family life revolved around their children,
three older ones and their youngest of five year old.
The couple maintained an air of normalcy and two outsiders.
They seemed like the so called ideal American family. Brad's
longtime business partner and friend, James V. Catter, also known
as James Valcotter or in some other reports James Vail Cotter,

(04:29):
was the son of the late San Antonio real estate
tycoon James F. Cotter. The two had been close for
years and had even faced legal troubles together through their
business ventures. In the weeks leading up to her disappearance,
Suzanne had made it clear to several people that she
was scared and that she was being hurt in her house.

(04:51):
Friends and family actually told investigators that things had been
bad between the two for a long time. As a
matter of fact, just hour before she vanished, she had
called her mother, Barbara Clark, around nine pm to say
that Brad had assaulted her. He'd hurt her arm and
her back. Barbara said, Suzanne sounded shaken. She quote told

(05:14):
me things that Brad had done to her physically and
suggested that the violence was alcohol related. Now, this wasn't
the first time Suzanne had confided in someone about the abuse.
Back in August twenty twenty four, she told her personal
banker at Frost Bank that Brad had been physically abusive
and often took away her phone to control her. One time,

(05:36):
she even told the banker that if she ever went missing,
they should quote look for her in the lake. Now,
you know, you have to be desperate if the person
you confide in is your banker, like she didn't even
confide in her friend's family, her banker, you have to
be desperate. Like maybe she thinks that friends or family
are going to go back to him and tell him

(05:59):
that I don't know, I don't Maybe she was just
maybe it was just the mood, like something had happened
that day, and the next person she had seen was
the banker, so she told the banker everything, and then
Brad would always cover up the abuse by telling their
children that Suzanne had simply lost her phone whenever he
took it away from her. The night she disappeared October sixth,

(06:19):
twenty twenty four, Suzanne was last seen wearing a black
dress and black heels. She was described as being five
foot five and around one hundred and forty pounds. Investigators
said they spoke to everyone, her friends, coworkers, and families,
and they all agreed on one thing. Suzanne would never
just walk away from her children. That same night, Suzanne

(06:42):
and Brad had been at the Argyle, an exclusive club
in Alamo Heights. Witnesses saw them arguing before Suzanne left
with their daughter around eight thirty pm. Surveillance footage later
showed Suzanne at HGB at eight fifty one PM and
calling her mother and calling a friend. At nine sixteen PM,
her cell service was abruptly suspended while she was still

(07:06):
on the phone with her mother. Then, between ten and
eleven PM, a neighbor across the street heard loud argument
outside and looked out of the window. You know, its
them nosy neighbors. But those are the ones that can
help you the most in court because they document everything.
He saw Brad grabbing Suzanne by the upper torso trying
to stop her from leaving. She broke free and ran,

(07:29):
but he chased her after losing sight of the couple.
Like I said, nosey neighbors, the concerned neighbor went outside
with his flashlight to investigate. Moments later, they heard two
or three screams coming from a wooden area east of
his home. About an hour later, Brad's truck left the house,
returning roughly two hours later. No one ever saw Suzanne again.

(07:53):
You see what I'm saying. This dude documented everything. He
watched Brad grab Suzanne by the torso, she ran, He
ran after her. This person went outside with a flashlight
to quote investigate. There would be never into history of
ever that I'm going outside to see what's happening. If
I'm so worried, I'm calling nine to one one. Then

(08:16):
he noted that the scream was coming east of his
home and that an hour later, So like you were
just sitting there watching outside your window to find out
that an hour later, that's when Brad's truck left the
house and then got back. He did you sleep at
all that night? Now, look, I'm not getting on the
messy neighbor. I'm just shocked because I wouldn't be this invested.

(08:42):
But if it wasn't for somebody who is this invested,
police would have nothing to go by. Instead, they have
an eyewitness. So the next morning, Brad dropped his daughter
off at school at seven fifty three am. Surveillance footage
showed two white trash bags and an eye chest in
the truck. By nine to twelve am, a waterburger camera

(09:04):
showed three trash bags, a heavy duty trash can, and
a large bulky object wrapped in a blue tarp with
a metal firewood rack placed on top. An hour later,
the tarp and bags were gone. That same morning, her
five year old daughter told school staff that her father
had pushed her mother against the wall, hit her in

(09:26):
the face, hurt her elbow, and taken her phone away
because they were fighting. Now, this is the image you
left your five year old daughter with you pushing your
wife against a wall and hitting her in the face
and hurting her are you insane. Suzanne's older daughter also

(09:47):
provided investigators with a fine my iPhone screenshot showing her
mother's last known ping was at the family's house at
ten twenty two pm on Sunday night. Now this case
has evolved from a miss person's investigation into a hybrid
miss in person slash possible murder investigation. Investigators quickly focused

(10:08):
on Brad's behavior. Following October six, FBI forensic examiners saw
that Brad had started cycling his cell phone on and off,
on and off, on and off, starting at eleven PM
the night of the disappearance, a technique the forensic examiners
called quote lockdown mode, and they said this is used

(10:28):
to deter device track in and avoid detection. Nevertheless, police
were able to track Brad's movements in his pickup truck
through sell and vehicle data. Combined with surveillance footage. Police
saw that Brad had made several stops that morning, home Depot,
a solid waste site in Born, and later a car wash.

(10:49):
At home depot, he bought two bags of quick Right cement,
a home Depot brand bucket with a lid, heavy duty
trash bags, clorox'x disinfectant spray and insect repell all paid
for with cash. He also stopped to ask a fellow
shopper for directions to the nearest dump and bourn. After leaving,
the three white trash bags were gone from his truck.

(11:12):
He then traveled to Medina County, just outside of Bandera,
where he stayed for thirteen minutes. On the way back
to San Antonio, surveillance footage showed a blue tarp concealing
a large bulky item was no longer in the bed
of his truck. By three twenty seven PM, when he
picked his daughter up school, surveillance captured his truck, this

(11:32):
time missing the firewood rack that always had been in
the back. Instead, there was a trash can and an
ice chest in the bed, but his truck was now
mostly empty. Later that afternoon, Brad took his truck to
car wash, where he was seen cleaning the driver front
side and rare left passenger side of the car. He

(11:54):
was also seen scrubbing the inside and bed of his truck.
After tracking his movements, police then started investigating his properties,
and on one of his properties in Bandera County, they
discovered a ground level burnside now not long after Suzanne's disappearance,
Brad had left their family home and moved into the

(12:15):
home on this property inside the burnside with the charred
remains of electronics that belonged to him, a laptop and
three phones. Forensics were able to recover notes from one
of the phones, which were dated October eighth and titled
quote this Next Life and quote last Will and Testament.

(12:38):
In them, Brad apologized for assault in Suzanne that night
and for previous incidents. Throughout all of this, Brad's brother, Barton,
told investigators that the two hadn't spoken in a long time.
Barton said Brad had become quote unrecognizable from the brother
he once knew. Brad was arrested in the early morning

(12:58):
hours of October ninth. He was initially charged with the
misdemeanors of assault causing bodily injury to a family member
and unlawful restraint based on the neighbor's eyewitness account. He
was held on a two million dollar bond. Defense attorneys
argued that this high bond was probably because prosecutors were
trying to hold him on higher charges, even though at

(13:21):
the time he wasn't identified as a suspect in Susan's disappearance.
After his arrest, detectives found out on October eighth, twenty
twenty four, Brad had text James V. Cotter asking him
for help to hide a weapon. Now, I always say,
don't call me for help to hide guns, to hide

(13:41):
a bond. Do not call me because if you call me,
then I know right away that you just wanted to
get caught. Because I let everybody know. I'm singing like
all the birds in the rainforest, I'm I'm gonna give
you everything. Where I met you, how old we were
when i'm I met him, We were too we used
to take bass to like, I'm telling everything. So, according

(14:05):
to Brad's text, he said, quote, if you're in bendera,
can you haul ass and meet me at the house
And quote, okay, make sure and leave all that s
in the pump house, especially the gun. James replied, quote
get over here. I won't tell anyone, and quote you're
my brother. Yeah, I'll tell you all that, but trust

(14:27):
and believe I'm telling whatever you tell me. I'm telling.
Don't break the law and then come to me and
ask for help like period, especially if you murdered somebody.
I'm not the one. Police also found a reciprocating saw
in Brad's possession, and forensic testing showed that Suzanne's DNA

(14:50):
was on it. Now, really, that could mean anything. It
could mean that she picked it up yesterday, she picked
it up the day of her disappearance. That could mean anything.
So unless the DNA was found in a way consistent
with somebody had sought up a body with that saw,
I can't see why it would be relevant to a

(15:11):
murder investigation because you can get your DNA on anything.
She could have picked it up, like I said, So
unless the DNA came from like blood splatter or something,
then I can understand. Investigators also confirmed that Brad had
logged into the AT and t APP at that exact
time Suzanne's phone had been caught off. They determined that

(15:31):
he had logged in to turn her phone off. Also
that dried cement had been found on the rare passenger
side of Brad's car, remember when he was washing it.
Investigators also arrested James Cotter. You see why I'm not
the one to come to if you've murdered somebody. Yeah,
I'm not getting arrested with you. So James Cotter was

(15:53):
arrested on October twenty first for helping Brad hide a weapon.
Police found Brad's AK forty seven WOW behind a wall
mounted TV in James's bedroom. He was charged with tampering
with evidence and possession of a prohibited weapon. The next day,
October twenty second, twenty twenty four, Brad was charged with

(16:15):
felony evidence tampering, and possession an illegal weapon that was
linked to the exchange with James. In Brad's house, police
had also discovered what they described as a walk in
vault filled with weapons, so he was also forced a
federal hold from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
and Explosives for the fact that he had the vault

(16:38):
filled with firearms and due to an illegal short barreled
rifle discovered around all of his guns. So in November,
James posted a bond after the amount was reduced from
one million to one hundred thousand dollars, and finally, on
November seventh, twenty twenty four, Brad was formally charged with murder.

(16:58):
In early December, a Bexerca County grand jury indicted Brad
on four counts murder, tampering with a corpse, tampering with
physical evidence with intent to impair human courts, and possession
of a prohibited weapon. Brand pleaded we lambs not guilty.
His attorney argued that without a body, prosecutors couldn't prove murder,

(17:21):
saying that indictments were quote vague and didn't specify how
Suzanne was killed. Judge Joel Perez denied the motion, saying
actually that there was enough evidence for the case to proceed.
A crucial piece of evidence that was revealed in the
indictment was that Brad had tried to hide that reciprocate
and saw from investigators on or about October eighth, and

(17:44):
his goal in doing this was to impair its availability
as evidence. Now, if you weren't aware, because this is
like the second time I mentioned in a reciprocating saw,
and I have lambs from all over the world, so
in another country they might call this something daff So
I'm just going to say that it is a powerful tool,

(18:04):
and this reciprocated saw is capable of cutting through wood,
hard plastic, metal, and bone. Investigators had informed family members
that Suzanne's DNA had been identified on the saw, so
at one of Brad's preliminary hearing, the prosecution and defense
spoke as they normally do, and the prosecution made it

(18:28):
clear that their case was going to rely on a
clear timeline, one that pointed straight to Brad. The suspicious
trips he made to the Hill Country, his purchase of
cement and disinfectant, the saw with Suzanne's DNA on it
that he tried to hide, and the burned digital devices
that they later found, also Suzanne's last known movements, Brad's

(18:52):
phone and car data, the neighbor's eyewitness account notes written
by Brad himself admitting to the assaults, their door, statement
that she saw Brad hit her mother, and finally Suzanne's
own words to friends and family that she was afraid
of him. Now, although all that is circumstantial, that's what

(19:13):
you call a ton load of evidence, do you hear me?
Prosecutors said that all of this points to a clear picture. Quote,
there are no signs of Suzanne Simpson being alive since
Brad Simpson physically assaulted her. Brad's defense attorney, Steven Gilmore,
had been pushing hard against the state's case from the

(19:34):
very beginning. It's like, as soon as you were higher, okay,
the state's wrong you're right, let's go. Their main argument
centered on one thing, nobody. As some people like to say, nobody,
no crime, but that's not true. Attorney Gilmore filed a
motion to quash the murder indictment, arguing that it's quote vague, indefinite, ambiguous,

(19:56):
and uncertain, Sir. All the evidence is there point to
into the fact that she didn't just up and leave
her kids. Something happened. His claim is that because Suzanne's
body hadn't been found, prosecutors haven't identified the quote manner
and means of death, meaning how she was killed or
where she was even hidden. Attorney Gilmore says that this

(20:17):
makes it impossible for the defense to build a fair case.
Legal experts have said that this type of motion doesn't
usually succeed, but it's a calculated move, basically forcing the
prosecution to reveal more details. They call it a smart
strategy in a no body case since those are rear

(20:38):
and gives the defense a little bit of leverage. Prosecutors
push back, however, arguing that under Texas law, a murder
case doesn't need a body to move forward. Meanwhile, Barton
went public with an emotional plea urging Brad to come clean. Quote,
He's not going to achieve anything unless he's honest, unless
he confesses, unless he tells us what he's done. On

(21:02):
April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, Judge Perez denied the
defense's motion to quash the indictment, ruling that prosecutors had
provided sufficient evidence to let the murder charge stand. In
September twenty twenty five, Judge Perez modified Brad's no contact
order to allow limited conversations with his son Ruin, specifically

(21:23):
about parenting issues, while still prohibiting discussion of the case.
The judge has set the pre trial here and for
January twentieth, twenty twenty six, with jury selections scheduled to
begin on February thirteenth, twenty twenty six, and Brad's trial
is set for February twenty twenty six. He remains in
the Bexar County Jail on a three million dollar bond.

(21:43):
The family home in Olmos Park has since been sold
for one point two million dollars, with the proceeds placed
in a trust for their four children. Suzanne's body has
never been found. Her mother still believes she's gone, saying, quote,
I don't think she is because I have not heard
from her saying basically, she doesn't think she's alive because
if she was alive, Suzanne would have tried everything to

(22:05):
like reach out to her mom. For now, her family
continues to wait for answers and justice. The search for
Suzanne continues, with investigators trying every avenue to provide justice
and closure for the family. And that's the case of
an allegedly abusive man who allegedly murdered his wife. And
although alleged, there's so much alleged information. What did you

(22:30):
think of this case? I would love to hear your thoughts.
You can share them in the comments below or join
the conversation over in the patreon patreon dot com Ford
Slash Love and Murder and speaking of your comments, and
let me read a couple comments from a past episode.
As usual, if you miss this case, the link to
listen will be in the show notes below. So the
first comment comes from the episode titled My brother Shot Everyone.

(22:55):
The staged massacre of the Hummingston family, Mark and Sarah Humminston,
And this case was about. Was you remember the fifteen
year old who called nine one one in Falls City,
Washington and he told police that his little brother had
shot everybody in the house and then killed himself, but
you know, he left him alive. But then when police

(23:15):
got there, everything didn't look like the fifteen year old
had said. So I did that case not too long ago.
So the first comment comes from lamb user chug A
Lug Donna. They said here in Washington, people who live
outside of the metropolitan areas typically locked their doors because
criminals look for unoccupied properties during the off season. So

(23:38):
most country folks I know maintained the habit all year round.
So that was in response to me asking, like, who
doesn't lock their door? So thank you, chug A Lug. Yeah,
because I was just that's the same thing I'm thinking,
not even that you know, unoccupied properties or anything like that.
But you know, I guess I did true crime, and
I was like this before I even did true crime,

(23:59):
Like people are going to try the easy way to
get into a property, a car, stuff like that, and
you never know if your house is the one that
they're going to try. So I just never understood keeping
my door unlocked. And then you know, watching true crime
and then doing true crime. Now I'm not even thinking
about thieves. I'm thinking about murderers also serial killers, stuff

(24:20):
like this. You know. The next comment comes from Lama
Black Ivy. They said, if a child murders an adult
like an adult, then he or she should be treated
like an adult and face the consequences ten out of
ten times one hundred percent. So he's fifteen. He knows right,
he knows right from wrong, period, point blank. You know,

(24:41):
hurting people bad, You've known that since you were three,
you know, so let alone hurting people now killing people,
you know that's bad. So yeah, I wouldn't have been like,
well he's a kid in his prefrontal core Texas. No,
absolutely not. You know it was wrong to murder your
entire family the point where you came up with a

(25:01):
whole plan to try and get it done. And like
I said, if you haven't heard this case, the link
to it is in the show notes below. You can
hear what I'm ranting about right now, and you can
hear my rant during the episode. And that is all
the comments I'm reading today. I know it was just two,
but I'm trying to get back to read into your comments.

(25:21):
I did promise you an update on a previous case,
so if you remembered Earlier in season five, I covered
the case of Brendan Banfield. This case happened on February
twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, where Fairfax County Police had
responded to a call in Herndon, Virginia. Thirty seven year
old pediatric nurse Christine Banfield was found stabbed to death

(25:44):
in her bedroom, while thirty eight year old Joseph Ryan,
a man she allegedly met online, was found shot in
the head and chest. Her husband IRS agent Brendan Banfield,
claimed he shot Joseph after finding him attack and his wife,
but as usual, the evidence told a different story. Investigators

(26:05):
discovered Brendan and the family's twenty four year old Brazilian
aw pair, Juliana Magley Haynes, had been having an affair
and had allegedly lured Joseph to the home using a
fake BDSM profile posing as Christine. Both were charged with murder.
Juliana later pled guilty to manslaughter and agreed to testify

(26:27):
against Brendan. Because that's what you get. You had a wife,
he decided to cheat on her with some other woman,
and then allegedly y'all did this, and then the other
woman was like YEO I'm not going to jail for
this dude, so yeah, I'll testify against him. That's what
the F you get allegedly. So this trial was supposed

(26:49):
to start on October twentieth, twenty twenty five, which was
just a couple of days ago, but something happened. On
October sixteenth, twenty twenty five. The lead prosecutor had been replaced.
I know yologists like w T the F Well, your
jaw is about to drop even lower. The lead prosecutor,

(27:12):
Eric Klingen, had legal troubles of his own. The report
initially said that he was placed on leave for a
quote personal matter, but we later came to learn that
that personal matter was that a little after eight am
on August eighth, Fairfax County Police had found Eric drinking
and smoking next to his park car in the back

(27:34):
of a Goodwill parking lot. Quote, this is a Commonwealth
attorney that's drunk. A police officer is heard saying in
police bodycam footage that footage will be in the Patreon
for the lambfam to watch. So, if you're part of
the lambfam at three dollars a month or more, you
get that as part of your extras and this. That
bodycam footage I think is like an hour long or whatever,

(27:57):
and it shows that since they arrived at his car
until they dropped him off at his home, so that's
why it's so long. And you just hear them talking
to him and the type of stuff they're saying because
somebody recognizes him, they're trying to help him. They you know,
they don't want this to get out and everything like that.
So there's a lot of stuff in the video. So
Eric responded with quote, I'm going to head to work

(28:18):
and forget all about this. He was then cited for
drinking in public. He wasn't cuffed, and the officers drove
him back to his home and he was sitting in
the front seat of the cruiser and everything like that,
so they didn't want to embarrass him during the drive.
He said, quote, this looks terrible and I get it.
So because of this, instead of the Banfield trials starting

(28:39):
on the twentieth, it has now been pushed back to
January twenty twenty six. Can you believe this update? Now?
I mean, you are the lead prosecutor, Like, I don't know,
I don't know what to say about it. I just
I mean, I have so much to say about it,
but it's just not coming. You know, it's not tell
me your thoughts. Let me put it that way. Maybe

(28:59):
you're my thoughts, are my thoughts, and they can get
my thoughts together because there's just so much going on
in my head and I don't even know how to
piece it together. I just anyways, let me know your
thoughts on the Suzanne Simpson case and the band Feel update.
You can leave your comments below or in the Patreon
Patreon dot com for it Slash Love and Murder. And

(29:20):
that's it for today's episode. I know this episode came
out late, but it's here. It's here. Thank you so
much for being so patient with me. I love my lambs,
and I love that y'all let me be human when
I need to be human. I love that y'all let
me get my mental health together when I need to
get my mental health together. I appreciate that y'all allow

(29:41):
me to let the AIS do some of my episodes
when I'm sick or when I'm off or whatever, and
y'all allow them to do Wednesdays and Fridays without complaint.
I am so thankful to y'all. Y'all, really, I think anyways,
y'all really do gear So I'm so thankful to you,
and I want y'all to know that for real, hundred percent.
If you want more true crime with me, or just

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to support the victims stories that I've talked about, you
can join the lambfam at patreon dot com Ford Slash
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Plus your support helps me keep telling these stories and
being a voice of the victims who can't speak for themselves.

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Join the lambfam at patreon dot com Ford Slash Love
and Murder and help keep Love and Murder listener powered.
And like I end every full episode, i want to
remind you that it's say it with me now, All
Love and No Murder, y'all. You know, I really need
to get my new merch out with my all Love
and No Murder and some of my other slogans out there.
I am definitely working on the store to try and

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get it open before November. Ah, positive thoughts, positive thoughts,
We gonna get it going. It's just it's hard when
it's just me, you know what I'm saying. But thanks
for listening once again, thank you for all your support
and I will see you in the next episode. Bye.