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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It is a mess out on the roads at least
in north central West Virginia this morning. Ask me how
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We're going to hit the weather. It is a mess
in the Morgantown area. How about where you are? Let
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us know We like pictures two three oh four Talk
three or four is the text line. Eight hundred seven
sixty five eight two five five crashes all over Mondengay County.
We'll get into that later. Mike Nolton will join us.
Coming up, we'll get a little bit of an update
from Mike in just a bit from the WAJR newsroom. Also,
Brad mcklhoney, we'll join us second hour of the show.
(01:54):
More on the tragic shooting of two West Virginia National
Guard members in Washington, DC over the Thanksgiving holiday week.
We will get into that and this story, this controversy
over the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and this no
quarter order. We'll get into all of that as the
show unfolds this morning. Say good morning to TJ. Meadows,
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who is in Charleston in the Cove Insurance Studios. Good morning, sir,
Good morning. Do you really want me to ask you
how I know what?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm not sure if you were being literal or not. Well, okay, listen,
we're all one big, happy family here. I was among
those who had to be assisted this morning due to
a little vehicle mishap on the way into work today.
So ask me how I know if the roads are bad, Tj.
Because they're bad.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
They're bad.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We got as I was coming in. I come in
very early in the morning and there was a layer
of ice under the snow that had just started to
fall in. I hit a layer of that ice, and
now I've got to rides and figure out a way
to get home later today.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So, you know, I'm glad you're okay.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Mike Nolton WJR. News was the man with the great
words of encouragement. He said, Hey, you didn't roll over,
you didn't go over a hill, you didn't end up
in the water. Well, thanks Mike, I appreciate the words
of encouragement there.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So last night is as we were about to call
it a day, I said to my wife, I said,
what are we going to do? What's our contingency plan?
If they canceled school? Oh, surely they would. They won't
do that. Maybe a two hour delay and we could
deal with that fine, I said, I don't know. I'd
feel more comfortable if we had a contingency plan. No, no, no,
So hour delay four or five this morning canceled school,
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and I said, if only someone would have had the forrest.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So what is the so up here? We got the
ice and a lot more snow than we had anticipated.
What's the situation in the Charleston Canall Valley area. Yeah, no,
So it's interesting. The drive in this morning in my
part of Tays Valley, it's not much. I mean, we
had a dusting on the cars right, nothing that the
windshie wipers couldn't take off, Not like you had to
get out there and sweep the car off or anything
like a mix of rain snow kind of thing. But
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I'm told in areas just north and Putnam County, like
Eleanor and Buffalo, they had, you know, multiple inches of snow.
So I think it depends on exactly where you are.
My drive in from the Valley to Charleston was relatively easy,
you take your time, didn't see any accidents, So I think,
you know, Charleston South has largely been spared. I think
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the north central part of the state, the northern Panhandle.
I talked to Howard Monroe this morning. They have a
lot of snow there in the Wheeling area, so I
think that's where it's at Dave and that's where the
brunt of the storm is hit. Let's bring in an
actual meteorologist mediorog the National Weather Service, Francis Credenzer joins
us on Metro Neese talk line this morning. Francis, good morning.
(04:51):
What the world happened early this morning across the state?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Oh yeah, good morning, and you know, pretty much as expected,
we had, you know, several inches of snow across the
northern part of the state and into parts of the
mid Ohio Valley. I think there were some areas that
maybe it was a little more than expected, but overall,
we saw you know, north of US fifty north central
west Virginia up into the northern Panhandle. Generally three to
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six inches of snow have been reported. Some areas also
had a light blaze of you know, some freezing rain.
But thankfully the freezing rain aspect of this storm doesn't
seem to have been quite as bad as expected. But
as a trade off, some of the snow was a
little heavier. As you go down towards you know, Parkersbury
in the midd Ohio Valley, we're looking at two to
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four inches, and then yeah, here in you know, Charleston,
it was you know, just you know, a couple of
tenths of snow accumulated after things changed over and then yeah,
as you get out into Tayese Valley and up north
you know the you know, seventy seven corridor and also
the US thirty five north of Tayes Valley. There were
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a couple of reports of an inch or two of snow,
but definitely north central West Virginia got hit the hardest
with with this system. That's definitely where we've seen the
worst roads as well.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Francis, what do we expect going forward into the latter
part of the day as well as into the rest
of the week.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Right now, for the rest of today, there's gonna be
some areas of light snow showers that continue around the area.
We got another little line of light snow that's actually
pushing through tays Valley and towards Charleston right now. But
there's just gonna be the scattered light snow showers around
all day. So some areas, anywhere where it's below freezing,
you're going to pick up a little additional accumulation, But overall,
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we're not expecting too much more snow outside of maybe
the northern mountains. And then for you know, tonight, definitely
watch out for any areas where it's still wet on
the roads. Things could refreeze as we get blow freezing,
so you know, definitely keep an eye out and you know,
drive I have a little extra careful, especially tonight when
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things might refreeze. Looking forward for the rest of the week,
Wednesday night into Thursday, there could be another light snow
event across the northern part of the state. Uh, you know,
mostly again north of the US fifty corridor, so you know,
north central west Virginia into the Panhandle, and then a
little bit of a you know, another dry stretch, and
then maybe over the weekend we could have another you know,
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rain snow event. But right now it's not looking like
we're having as much moisture come in with that event
versus what we just saw, you know last night into.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This morning, Francis, is this system that's impacting us here
at north central west Virginia, northern west Virginia, how is
it impacting other areas across you know, the Midwest and
into the east coast here.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, it looks like we've got, you know, as you
head west up into Ohio and Indiana, we've got you know,
pretty widespread reports of i'd say three to six inches
of rain of snow, and then you know, as you
go up towards northern Ohio and the Pittsburgh area also,
you know, pretty widespread reports of you know, on the
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order of three to six inches of snow. So yeah,
it's definitely, you know, not a really heavy system by
any stretch, at least for our area and areas you know,
north and west, but just a very widespread, you know,
decent snowfall, nothing crazy, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Francis Credenzer at National Weather Service, Hey, appreciate the update.
Thank you so much, and we'll be careful out there
on the roads. Well well now be you at least,
thanks appreciate it. Francis coming up. Mike Nelton's going to
join us. He has been a very busy man this
morning in the newsroom for w A Jr. In Morgantown.
As I mentioned, crashes all over the place. Roads we're
closed all over town this morning. We'll get an update
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from Mike in just a moment. Coming up. Bottom of
the hour, Tjay, We're going to get into this discussion
that involves Pete Hegseth, the Narco terrorist, the boats running
in the Caribbean, and what exactly the orders are or
did he go too far? What exactly is going on there?
(09:10):
We're going to try to parse that out coming up
bottom of the hour. Correct, Sorry, Dave, I was trying
to respond to something. Yeah, and with you know, look
the podium yesterday at the White House. I don't know
if you saw the press briefing or not. They were
very clear that the admiral that commanded all of this
was acting in accordance with international law.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
They didn't mince any words. He had every right to
do what he did. So the White House is dug
in on this. They are dug in on it, and
I've got a lot of questions about it because I
it just it doesn't seem right. Does that make sense?
I mean, if someone's defenseless in the water, it doesn't
seem right to me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I hear you. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And we're I think, as you and I usually are.
We're in the same ballpark. We might just be in
slightly different ends of the field. We'll get into that
a little bit more. I'm going to talk to Bill
hang On. I got the name right here. It's a
bit of a crazy morning. Bill Bob Gardner, retired admiral.
He's going to join us coming up bondo of the hour.
We'll get his take on that situation and eleven o six.
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If you're watching the video stream this morning, it may
look just a little bit different. I'm back in my
old stomping grounds. This is my old studio when I
did the local show on WAJAR in Morgantown. Hoppy used
to do talk line out of the studio once upon
a time. But well give them the fact I decided
to test out the foil driving my truck this morning.
(14:48):
That aside, roads of Morgantown are terrible today, so much
so that I couldn't make the trip to downtown Morgantown
where the Tos Mahoff studios exist. So I'm in the old,
the old talk show studio. It's not old, it's actually
quite nice. But it's the WAJR talk show studio where
talk of the town Morgantown am originates from prior to
this show each weekday on WAJR in Morgantown. Mike Nolting
(15:13):
hosts that show. He's also been a very busy man,
trying to keep up with crashes mine included, and everything
else going on this morning here in north central West Virginia. Morning, Mike, Hey,
good morning, Dave.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Glad to see that you're okay, Sirah.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Thank you. I appreciate it, absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But dude, is slick up here in the Morgantown Montague
County area.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
It's bad.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's bad.
Speaker 17 (15:32):
I live over in the first ward. It normally takes
me about five minutes to get in. Today more like
about thirty. Well, yeah, yeah, Now, the hogback turn right
there on Brockway Avenue. There was a truck jack knife
there and I attempted to go around that truck, but
then at the top of.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
The hill the road was closed, so I had to
back all the way down the hill and I turned around.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's a main artery to get into downtown Morgantown right there,
that's completely shut off. But that wasn't the only road.
Speaker 17 (16:02):
No, no, no, Then you have to back up and
go through Marilla Park in order to get into Saberton
to the Palatial Studios.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So what's happening?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, numbers this morning, Yeah, I sure do.
Speaker 17 (16:17):
More than seventy motorists assists, more than forty accidents reported,
and five of those at least did include some sort
of a minor injury. The National Weather Service tells us
that here in the Morgantown area it was anywhere from
two and a half to about four inches, but the
(16:38):
average that the meteorologists are settling on, most people got
anywhere from three and a half to four inches. So
if you got two and a half inches here in
the Morgantown area, consider yourself lucky.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Now. One of the.
Speaker 17 (16:50):
Fears was freezing rain up in the higher elevations. That
really didn't pan out. They got very little freezing rain
up there. And they tell me that the next storm
that they're watching will come in Thursday afternoon. They tell
me that that will be a quick hitter with not
much precipitation.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Just like this.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It was supposed to be a dusting right right, Sorry, Teja, No,
you're fine. Talk about is it ice under snow?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Mike?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I mean, what is it just piled up and crush snow?
I mean, what are you seen on the roads and
can you plow through this stuff. I mean, are they
out trying to get it cleaned up?
Speaker 17 (17:27):
They most certainly are out there trying to get it
clean and cleaned up. And that's one of the things.
These temperatures right around the freezing mark are really helping
them because the chemicals are working great.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And even just traffic on.
Speaker 17 (17:39):
The road helps to deplete the effect or the icy
What am I trying to say, Guys, When you put
traffic on the road, it just melts the snow and
makes the road easier to drive.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Sure, the cohesion breaks up of everything.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yet there you go. Thank you, TJ.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You're welcome, sir.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Now.
Speaker 17 (17:57):
One thing that meteorologists did say was once you get
down around fifty into the Clarksburg area, there's quite a
bit less snowfall reported in those areas.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Mike Noltson joining us WAJR News in Morgantown, where, well,
there's quite a bit of snow out on the ground
this morning. Let me tell you that freezing rain was
a thing. There is definitely ice. At least early this morning,
you had a layer of ice and there was a
little bit of snow on top of that, and that
costs for some treacherous travel. Early in the morning commute.
Speaker 17 (18:27):
And I can tell you that, you know, going down
the hills is also a very tricky proposition here this morning.
You believe it, And even if you think you're going slow,
you're probably not going slow enough because to Dave's point
and TJ's as well, once you lock your wheels up
on that ice underneath, you're a passenger. You're just trying
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to steer to stay ahead of what's going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Kind of sounds, Mike, like a good day if you
can to work from home. I mean, I'm not telling
people what to do, but it might be something to
think about if you have that luxury.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 17 (19:01):
Because classes on the Morgantown campus they won't commence until
noon today. All the local school systems are closed. MECHA
nine one to one Executive director Jim Smith says, stay
at home and let the snowplows own the road here
until maybe about three four o'clock. Things should be passable.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
The worst I ever saw it here in Morgantown, guys,
was several years ago. I just refer to this day
as the Kansas game.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That what were you here?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, so I wasn't sure if you had started working
or not. We got an afternoon snow squall right as
school was letting out, people were going home from work.
Kansas was playing WV at the coliseum, Hope Coliseum. This
is several years ago, and it was the perfect recipe
of not a lot of snow, but there was snow,
and then it froze, and then you had cars on
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the road and the plows couldn't get out. You had
kids stuck on school buses that day. That was the
worst I've ever seen it in town. Put this up
with that, but I would it can see it from
where it is from its position this morning.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I believe that you're right.
Speaker 17 (20:07):
And I think one of the benefits with this storm
was maybe the timing obviously not for you, but for
but for but for people that work a normal shift.
They were able to get up and look out and say, nop,
not doing it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I recall I think it was two thousand and two,
really bad storm. I was a junior at WFU at
the time. It was a Sunday evening and I was
supposed to be in just the monitor stuff right at
there in the grip building at Sabertin and I called.
I was trying to weeze my way out of it
because I Kerchieval's there. Kerchieval's there, and he's like, you're
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not coming in, not coming in.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, and I didn't want to talk to him.
I wanted to talk to the other guy so I
could get away with it. He's like, oh, no, you're
coming in. I'll come get you. I got four whel drive.
So Kerchival comes gets me, he picks me up. I
get over there. He calls, hey, you're there. Just stay
the night.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Stay the night. I'll pick you up in the morning.
D D So that that was my bad.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Weather story in Morgantown there and how I ended up
staying the night at the radio station, which was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We had a guy several years ago. I can remember
what storm it was, tried the well. I can't get
their story.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Kyle Wiggs said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'll come get you. Yes, and he did.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Kyle went to get hid. In my defense, there was
no way my little two wheel drive car. I mean,
when Kirchibll got there, he's like, oh, yeah, you weren't kidding.
I was like, yeah, I can't get the blasted thing out.
I mean the snow is over top of the car.
Speaker 17 (21:32):
Yeah, but at that point you have to consider your options,
and that's when you go for the leather, personnel carriers
or your feet.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
It's a long walk from beechurchst Avenue to Saberton, my friend,
But yeah, I guess I could have done it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Every journey starts with one step.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
My melting w AJR news and host of Talk of
the Town, which you can hear on mention news of
a hilly w Ajar prior to the show each and
every day. Also a philosopher, Mike always appreciate it, buddy,
Thanks for good.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Work, absolutely, thank you. Take care all right.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Coming up, we're going to talk to Bill Bumgardner. He
is a retired rear admiral with the Coast Guard. About
this Washington Post report and Washington Post story that Secretary
Defense Pete Hegseth personally ordered US forces to kill everyone
aboard a suspected drug trafficking vessel. What does all that mean?
Did he go too far? What are rules of engagement?
(22:27):
We're going to get into that story coming up a
couple of minutes from now. Later on Second Hour, Brad
mclhenny is going to stop bye. We'll check in with Brad.
Also more on the tragic shooting in Washington, DC over
the Thanksgiving holiday involving two West Virginia National Guard members.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And we've only got a couple of seconds here to
set this up for the second hour, But you wrote
about this a little bit about this issue as far
as the immigration policy and halting the visas for Afghan refugees,
and we're going to get into a little bit and
how that or may not have been a factor in
the larger picture here with the Isaac SolV tangle news.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
And I'm not a proponent of indefinitely ending visa's asylum
hearings immigration. I do think it is a sensible course
to take a pause. And pauses are temporary day they're
not permanent. Let's be clear on that and make sure
there aren't gaps. And I think that is a sensible
way to move forward that should happen quickly but deliberately.
(23:26):
But this idea of ending immigration indefinitely, not on board
with that, But I do think it makes a lot
of sense to take a pause, make sure there's not
something that we're missing in the vetting process, revet those
who may be in question, and refigure and regroup moving forward.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
All right, we'll get into that coming up at the
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That should have been an easy win. What were you
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That it's not okay to lose.
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you are this morning. The National Security Leaders for America
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Washington Post had this week that Secretary of Defense Pete
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Hegseth personally ordered US forces to kill everyone aboard a
suspected drug traffi trafficking vessel during a September second operation
in the Caribbean. The further reporting indicates that a second
missile strike was launched after the vessel was destroyed, killing
two survivors who were visibly clinging to debris. The release
goes on to say, if these reports are accurate, the
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actions described would be serious violations of both US and
international law. Joining us on much the News talk line
this morning is retired to US Coast Guard, where Admiral
Bill Baumgardner and accomplished senior executive in both the private
and public sectors with broad experience and management law and operations.
He joins us on Metro News talk line.
Speaker 23 (29:44):
Good morning, sir, Hi, good morning, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Appreciate you taking some time and joining us.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
So.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I gave the cliff Notes version of the incident from
September second. But what about this concerns you the most?
Speaker 23 (30:02):
Well? I think the thing that concerns me most is
that we are giving orders to use lethal force against
people without warning and without chance for surrender, and that
is not in accordance with international law domestic law. So
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even the first strike here on this vote in September
concerns me. Greatly because it is just not something that
appears to be lawful, and we don't have any we
haven't seen any justification for this, any legal analysis, and
it just doesn't seem to fit anywhere. So that's one
thing that bothers me about it tremendously. The second thing is,
(30:46):
of course, this second strike against alleged strike against the
survivors in the water. And if you go to the
Department of Defense Law of War Manuel, it has a
paragraph in there that's that military members are obligated not
to follow unlawful, clearly unlawful orders, and the example that
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it gets is in order to fire on shipwreck persons,
exactly what we have in this particular case. So that
greatly concerns me there. So we have I don't think
that this is actually a lawful operation to begin with,
even if it was, we have something that is literally
the textbook example of an unlawful order and a war crime.
(31:31):
I think the third thing that bothers me, and I
think that this is particularly I think pertinent for your listeners.
I just heard about some fentanyl arrests and fentanyl issues
on the news right before I came on the threat
that this country is seeing from drugs right now is fentanyl.
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Fentanyl does not come from South America. None of these
vessels blowing up have anything to do with fentanyl, which
is the real threat. Seventy to eighty percent of that
drug overdose deaths are from fentanyl. Every time we get
ourselves diverted and pretend that striking these boats is doing
something to ease the scourge of drug overdose deaths, particularly
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from fentanyl, we're fooling ourselves, and in fact, we may
be even making the fentanyl problem worse by diverting attention
to these cocaine boats and not addressing the actual fentanyl problem.
So those are the three things that probably worrying me
most about this situation.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So, Admiral, in the press briefing yesterday, the White House
Press Secretary from the podium with the White House emblem
behind her, was emphatic that the President was within his authority,
that the commanding admiral who had command operation over this
was well within his authority for the second strike. You've
made your case for why it's illegal. The White House
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obviously believes differently. How does this get reconciled?
Speaker 23 (32:57):
Well, first thing, you noticed, the White House is never
given us the rationale for why this is legal. We
don't have it. If they had a good rationale, you
would have it out there, you would be discussing it.
And I think another thing that really bothers me here
is we have a lot of service members out there
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that have read and have been taught in what the
law of war is, the law of warmed conflict. They
know that the rest of the world does not see
this as a proper operation, and they are caught in
a terrible situation where they may be given orders, they
don't know whether they're lawful or not, and the administration
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hasn't even given them the courtesy of showing them the
legal rationale for it. That bothers me. I think that
if you want your troops, you want to support your troops,
you make sure that when you ask them to kill somebody,
that you make sure that they under can why that
that order is lawful, and that you search for worldwide
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legitimacy for that campaign. And we don't see that here.
So when you see an assertion that this is, you know,
a lawful operation or within authority, but no rationale, no
way to link it to the actual law. That's very
concerning to me.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Retired US Rear Admiral Bill Bumgardner joining us here on
Metro News talk Line this morning. I want to zero
in on this specific incident. Let's let's assume for just
a moment there is rationale for the operation. Why is
the second strike a problem? Why is that in particular
a problem? Because, I mean, you launch a missile out
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of boat, You're obviously intending to destroy the boat and
kill everybody on it that you're launching a missile at it.
So why would a second strike after you've hit it
already once be a particular problem.
Speaker 23 (34:57):
Well, because under the law armed conflict, you have a
military objective, and if there's something being carried on that
boat that presents a threat, you destroy the thing that
presents the threat. The law of armed conflict is not
designed to go out there and say kill everybody that
looks this way or shows up in this particular place.
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And in fact, you know, giving orders to what they
would call no quarter, give no quarter orders or kill
everyone regardless of their circumstance that you consider a hostile.
Those are not lawful orders. And so the intent to
go out there and say my intent is to kill
everybody on that vessel. That's not that is not something
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that's appropriate under the law of armed conflict or legal
You go out there and you say, you could say,
if there was rationale that the movement of drugs is
a threat, which again that does not amount to a
threat to justify armed conflict or war. But if it was,
you stop the movement, and you do that in a
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proportional way, and you try to discriminate and not take
any more lives than you have to. So once you've
stopped the boat and you've destroyed the drugs, and now
there are now two survivors in the water, and there
is a long standing obligation it goes back for well
over one hundred years in international law and in conventions
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that we've signed that shipwrecked survivors, even if they were
your enemy, are to be treated. You know, you're try
if you possible and you can rescue them, you do that,
and you absolutely do not fire upon them when they
can present no threat to you. In World War Two,
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with German submarine commanders fired upon the stranded crews of
vessels that they sank, they were tried at Nuremberg and
they were executed for that, And that is in the
state of declared war. So that's a pretty long standing
tradition here. The one thing that has been just a
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real absolute cornerstone of the US military for a long
time is the pride and heritage that we're the good guys,
that we do good things. We do it the right way,
and it's not always the easy way, but we do
the right thing, and we're on the right side of
the law. We're the leaders of the free world. We
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uphold the rule of law. This is just a terrible
thing to deliberately target a shipwrecked survivor that doesn't present
any threat to you.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Talk to me about the naming of Admiral Frank Bradley
yesterday from the podium. I'd like your thoughts on that,
because I don't know that I recall specifics from the
podium in the past about the admiral who carried out
an operation or the general or whom where the command
officer may be. I don't necessarily want you to speculate,
(38:05):
But with so much scrutiny on ag seth to bring
the admirals specifically into the narrative yesterday, do you do
you have any feeling that that's the White House attempting
to perhaps create a scapegoat in this issue.
Speaker 23 (38:20):
Well, it could be, but I want to be fair.
Is that and prior major operations that were successful, other
administrations have taken some steps to in some cases highlight
who the commander was that that may have organized or
(38:41):
or directed the operation. You know, they don't go down
to say the actual participants. That's not appropriate, But say
Admiral Brown was the commander of the Joint Special Operations Command,
and it wouldn't have been out of place on a
successful operation to note that the that the operation was
under their command and they directed him. The difference now
(39:04):
is with an unfixed well with a I don't know
how you want to characterize it, but a controversial and
what many and I would be in that category would
say is there's not a successful operation. Many leaders choose to,
you know, be the you know, accept the responsibility, and
(39:28):
be the one in front of the camera and say
these people were under my commander, my authority, and you know,
the responsibility and the buck stops with me. That's a
different choice. President Reagan took that position back with the
Bay Route bombing of the Marine barracks, and I simply
said this stops with me. I'm responsible, I'm the president.
(39:50):
I put these people, I've put these marines here. Uh,
they were under my authority, and the buck stops with me.
So the different approaches, and I don't want to speculate
any more than that, but you know, I'll be somewhat
fair to the to the administration that when things go well,
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you do highlight the commander. And if the administration does
think that this all went very well and exactly is
the way they wanted to do, wanted it to be,
and that it was something to be proud of, then okay,
you know, highlight the commander. If, on the other hand,
you're taking incoming rounds, you know, you figure something else out.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Bill Bumgardner joining US retired Rear Admiral US Coast Guard Bill.
How is this situation different or is it different from
the Obama administration's drone strikes? Almost I think it was
five hundred and sixty some drone strikes. There were over
three thousand civilian casualties as a result of those. How
is this situation different or is it different from that
of those operations?
Speaker 23 (40:55):
I think it's quite different. The drone strikes were targeting
people that were actually engaged in supporting or conducting armed
combat or armed terrorist activities. They also provided the legal
justification for it. Not everybody agreed with all of it,
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but they provided it to try to get it out
there and say this is exactly how we reasoned it,
and if you may not like it, but it is here.
That is very different than what we're seeing today these strike.
Those strikes were against people that were affiliated, like I said,
with people trying to kill other people. This is very
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different than what we have right now in the Caribbean.
In the Caribbean, we have had a long standing problem
with drug smuggling. This is a criminal activity, bringing a
dangerous product or selling a dangerous product to actually intermediaries
in Mexico for the most part, that then bring it
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up and sell it to American citizens as willing buyers,
who then distribute it to other American citizens. Not all
of those end users are willing buyers. Some of them
are addicted. But this is cocaine, so it's different than
some other drugs, but still a very bad thing. This
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is not a situation where the people in any of
these boats are hoping to kill Americans. They do not
want to see Americans killed by their product. It's bad
for their business. They are immoral, terrible people, but engaged
in a criminal, capitalistic enterprise. They're not trying to kill Americans.
(42:45):
So it's very, very different than the Obama drone strikes.
I'll grant you that they understand that their product will
have some will end up killing some people in overdoses,
but that's not their intent. In fact, if you actually
strut smugglers, could you provide cocaine that will absolutely not
result in an overdose? The cartels would be some of
(43:06):
the first people there to say, Okay, how do we
do this? Because they want a drug business illegal, as
moral as it may be and damaging as it may be,
but they're not trying to kill Americans. Very very different.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Bill, We're going to have to leave the conversation there
because the clock is going to get us, as it
often does. We appreciate the perspective this morning, Rare Apple
US Coast guar retired Bill Bumgarner, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Appreciate it.
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All right, thank you for having me.
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TJ You ever refresh your cup of coffee and forget
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the end of the cup.
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Which what I choked it, buddy, I'm not getting anything
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Thanks for noticing a couple of minutes here and we're
going to have to hit the brake. But your quick
reaction to the Admiral's thoughts TJ. Look, I think he's
spot on in that we haven't declared war. One of
the questions I wanted to ask him, we didn't have
time to get to what role does Congress play in this?
Does this become legal if we have declared war. I
also think the point about we have to be the
(48:18):
good guys. We have to model what we want. And
a boat's been destroyed, guys are floating in the water,
do the right thing and rescue them. I just think
that's the American way and the thing we ought to do,
rather than swinging back around again and strafening them or
whatever they did. And maybe they have intelligence. Did we
forego intelligence gathering by not picking the guys up and
(48:38):
seeing what they know? I don't know, but that's my
thirty thousand foot overview on it. So a couple of thoughts,
and I think I agree with you on most of that.
It's the second strike that I think makes you kind
of itch a little bit. You've destroyed the boat. Why
are you shooting again? I guess you could make an argument, well,
you shot a miss wat at the first time. You
were just cleaning up what you were trying to do
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the first time around. It's not unreasonable to question the
legality of it. What's Congress's role? Does the president have
this authority? I think those are all reasonable questions and
questions that should be asked. I'm just not going to
shed a lot of tears for drug smugglers and narco
terrorists who are pumping this poison into the country taking
(49:21):
a stand. I'm all for it. I want to do
it and make sure it is done in a legal
manner that we are following rules of engagement, that the
United States is the standard and doesn't lower itself to
these third world countries that pull this kind of crap.
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Don't throw this admiral under the bus. That was just
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Well, you don't have to do that it's okay.
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Oh no, I'm doing it because it's not it's not
the same song. Oh really a song someone submitted this song?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Oh I hadn't heard that.
Speaker 11 (55:22):
We got a hopy song.
Speaker 34 (55:23):
Can you hear it without headphones?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I can't?
Speaker 15 (55:25):
Okay, that's right. I was just go ahead, play charts. Wonderful.
Speaker 34 (55:28):
This is our This is the opening to Hoppy's obvious observations.
He's hearing it, Brat's hearing it for the first time.
Let's do I haven't heard it. Yeah, that's what I said.
Oh okay, he's hearing it, and Brad's hearing it for
the first time. Always you're hearing it, and sid what.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
He's got thoughts that sound brand new, but the things
we already knew. You got his bomb ready Heaven knows,
and make it quick before.
Speaker 34 (56:06):
I'll be taken away with your obvious observation.
Speaker 27 (56:08):
Oh, Ryan, we talked about this without you on the
air yesterday, that you supposedly had the inside tracked all
the good candy for maybe just stash some of the
stuff for us.
Speaker 21 (56:19):
Only after tricker beating right right, Ryan finds where it
is after like.
Speaker 35 (56:23):
Yeah, I don't mess with the candy supply. But in
that brief period where there's candy in the building between
trick or Beat and the Christmas parade, I try to
keep tabs on where it is.
Speaker 27 (56:34):
So have you located this?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
No? Give him Tom, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (56:37):
Give me.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
It's it's like a treasure hunt every year.
Speaker 35 (56:40):
I most of the time it's in the room off
to the side of the front desk, but sometimes it's
been in like supply closets up in the second recording
studio near the metrons.
Speaker 13 (56:51):
Sometimes like in the back of the toilet, you know,
in the reservoir.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
He's found them everywhere.
Speaker 27 (56:55):
So when you find this, when you find this candy,
you'll remember your old pal Dave and your immediate supervisor
Coop Coop.
Speaker 33 (57:03):
Yes, yeah, Huntington.
Speaker 7 (57:07):
Do you know who they play Savera County, Tennessee. They've
already played one of the best teams in Tennessee in
the opener that Cider only lost so far.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
This is also one.
Speaker 7 (57:18):
Of the best teams in the state of Tennessee. So
I don't know what they're going for a CFPI playoff, Spider,
what they're trying to do down there in Huntington, But Uddington.
They're challenging the heck out of themselves.
Speaker 14 (57:28):
Does it ever feel like twenty four years?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Do you ever sit back and think it feels like
Sometimes I can't believe it's been.
Speaker 32 (57:35):
Twenty four years, and I just think it feels like
it's been a lot.
Speaker 36 (57:39):
And then those other times I think, yes, it's only
been twenty four years.
Speaker 32 (57:42):
Yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 21 (57:44):
I cannot. I would love to go back, and I
don't think I have the I know I don't have
any doing it back in here, no show I would.
Speaker 36 (57:52):
I would love to go back and hear show number
one of year number one. We had different producers, we
weren't on video. A lot of things have changed over
twenty four years. But yeah, sometimes I think I'd like
to go back and say, you guys never got any
better at all.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
You know, as he approaches the team and blastwana low
line drive, it's going to be Tyler on the return
now and Tyler.
Speaker 9 (58:16):
Up the middle trying to break a tackle, gets outside.
Speaker 14 (58:19):
Look out, I'd have a big play Tyler down the sideline.
Speaker 32 (58:23):
Hey, well start touched up black Dancer right back.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
You know.
Speaker 37 (58:33):
I drove home one night he was around eleven thirty
on a Sunday night, and I said, you know what,
I've been doing this and I'm tired of doing and
I I felt the program was slipping. I just failed. Hey,
you know what, it's time for a younger guy. People said,
(58:55):
did I miss football?
Speaker 3 (58:57):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Busy and I didn't miss it. No, I miss Saturday.
Speaker 37 (59:04):
I'd go to the game where you know, I'd just
sit up there and kind of wish I was going.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
To do this or that. But I didn't miss all
day Sunday.
Speaker 37 (59:13):
I didn't miss all day Monday and all that preparation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Second hour of Metro News talk Line. Hope you are
having a an okaday. Hope you are staying safe out
there this morning. A lot of snow in the Morgantown
Montague County area. Mike Nolton reporting, if you are in
the Morgantown area, conditions are improving as the morning is
going on. Still a bit of a mess. If you
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go east on I sixty eight toward Preston County and
the Maryland state Line. Also just got a report that
beach Hurst Avenue in Morgantown, as you go Beachurst Hill
out toward Hope Coliseum, there are about a half dozen
cars that are disabled or stuck and that is impassable
at the moment. Eight hundred and seven to six five.
(01:01:01):
Talk is the phone number. Three oh four Talk three
four is the text line. Gang all here, David, Morgantown.
TJ is in Charleston, Ethan Collins as our producer this morning. Also,
I want to give a big shout out to Tearin Malone.
He helped us out with a makeshift camera set up
here in my former studios in the Career Building and
also gave me a ride and work after a little
(01:01:22):
little mishap this morning with some ice and my truck.
So with all that, say good morning to you, and
saying good morning once again to TJ.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Meadows, Good morning. I wonder if people have.
Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Taken whatever measures they do with their vehicle, Like if
you use snow tires, do you already have them on?
If you added weight to the vehicle, if you've got
like re real drive or something, or did this one
speak up on folks?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I think it's not up on, folks. It's still we
just just got past Thanksgiving. It's a little early. Yeah,
I think it's a little early for this especially. I'm
telling you, I follow the weather very closely with my
morning commute.
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Do I need to leave a little bit early? You know?
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Do I need to pack an overnight bag? And I
want we stalk at the radio station, you know, covering
a weather event. Nobody was predicting. My apologies to our
meteorologists from the first hour TJ. They weren't calling for this.
This hit a little bit harder than they were expecting,
at least here in the Morgantown area.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And I think you're right.
Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I think people because I feel like, mentally it's after
Christmas thing winter, you're really into the weather like January on.
So it wouldn't surprise me if folks haven't gotten the
snow tires. I used to always put weight in the back.
I used to have this little two seater back in
the day when I was cool, you know, and put
weight in the back of it. Take the golf clubs out,
put weight in the back of it or something and
(01:02:37):
do whatever. But yeah, I think a lot of people probably,
But didn't you say Mike's reporting seventy incidents. I think
it was in the Morgantown area of seventy's.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, assists of you know, cars that just slid off
the road had pulled out in forty actual accidents, I
think is what he said this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
So, yeah, good day to be a tow truck driver
or back.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Well, I guess you're gonna make a couple bucks today,
that's for sure. We'll continue to follow the weather situation.
Let us know how it is where you are. I
will get to the text line. I promise you it
is a busy text line this morning. We continue to
follow the tragic shooting of two West Virginia National Guard
members from Washington in Washington, d c. Over the Thanksgiving holiday.
Of course, specialist Sarah Bextrom passed away from her injuries,
(01:03:20):
and Andrew Wolfe, the other guardsman who was wounded. He
is still in critical condition. There have been a lot
of different takes, especially on the national stage, about the shooter,
about US immigration policy, Afghan refugees. The right has its opinions,
the left has its opinions. Both are really using this
(01:03:42):
incident to try to push their particular points of view.
Isaac Saul is the founder of Tangled News, an award
winning media organization that covers political stories, summarizing arguments from
the left the rights, and then giving their take. And
Isaac offered his take on this situation involving the shooter,
Afghan refugees, US immigration policy, all the above, and he
(01:04:04):
joins us all mentioned News talk line this morning. Isaac,
Good morning, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 38 (01:04:09):
Thanks for having me, guys, glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
So let's kind of get the baseline right and left.
What is each side saying with regards specifically to the shooter,
Afghan refugees, and US immigration policy.
Speaker 38 (01:04:24):
Yeah, I mean, I think the demo contours of how
the arguments have come out look a little bit like this.
On the right, it is that this is the risk
basically of taking in a huge number of Afghan refugees.
I mean, since the fall of Kabo and twenty twenty one,
one hundred and ninety thousand Afghan refugees came to the
(01:04:45):
United States in programs largely created by the Biden administration.
And when you have a mass migration like that, you
risk bringing people in, even with really good vetting, who
might be a risk to the public. So a lot
of people on the right I think are genuinely supportive
of Trump's plan to kind of crack down on some
(01:05:07):
of these programs to port people who have not had
their vetting completed or the immigration process completed, and even
take another look at some folks who have been approved
for things like green cards under a more enhanced vetting process.
Now the assist there is that there are plenty of
voices on the right, including you know, Wall Shoot Journal
(01:05:29):
editorial board sites, who are saying, look, we have a
responsibility to many of these Afghans who helped us during
the war against al Kada in Iraq, in Afghanistan. They
helped us, they aided us, they worked as translated as
they were informants, they risked their lives for US soldiers,
and so we need to do right by them. And
(01:05:49):
there is kind of the sector of the right I
would say that is making that case, but predominantly it's
about reducing immigration and reducing the risk through clamping down
on immigration. On the left, a lot of arguments are
that this was the predictable outcome of Trump's decision to
put National Guard troops in the streets in Washington DC
and other major cities, And you know, I think that
(01:06:11):
argument is buttressed by the fact that there were some
commanders who warned that if National Guard troops patrol of
the streets, they are going to be targets for you know,
quote unquote grievance base violence. And now we have somebody.
The motive is still a bit unknown, but I think
it would be unsurprising if it turns out that this
was kind of a grievance type act of violence against
(01:06:32):
the National Guard member. And you know, they're focused on
the fact that this is something Trump provoked or you know,
helped open the door to by putting National Guard troops
on the streets in DC, which was obviously a very
controversial move.
Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
So Isaac, I don't know on the left side, I
don't know if Trump provoked it. But one of the
things I've been trying to learn more about, and frankly
it hasn't been very easy, is to understand what condition
our troops were performed at in terms of were we
taking every preventative measure, especially in light of that reporting
and that memo we saw that highlighted a threat condition.
(01:07:09):
You know, Okay, we were armed, but at what condition?
Were The weapons in some conditions are easy to fire
the weapons some are very hard.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You have to do many things to the weapon. Do
we have body armor?
Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
To me, that's a very important question because we can't
do anything about what happened. But if this happens again
and we don't learn from it and we don't take
proactive measures, to me, that's the greater the greater driver
right now to make sure the how many of our
guardsmen two thousand odds some guardsmen the one hundred and
sixty still there from West Virginia are protected? Moving forward?
(01:07:39):
Are the writer left saying anything about that. I don't
hear people talking about how we prevent it in the
short term again?
Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Moving forward?
Speaker 38 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I mean, and to be clear, I agree with
you too. I think the argument that Trump's responsible for
this is a little bit absurd. I mean, I think
it's fair to criticize the troop deployments in DC and
wonder how you know effective or responsible they are. I
think that's an argument we should have a debate. We
should have. But the person responsible for this is the
(01:08:08):
shooter who decided to kill, you know, a National guardsman
and moved another person when they did nothing wrong. Obviously.
So to answer the first part of your question, you know,
when the National guardships were first deployed, they were not armed.
They were kind of in this status where they were
permitted to have weapons in their vehicles, but not to
(01:08:29):
hold them. And it was supposed to be sort of
this show of solidarity on the presence in the capital
that was going to reduce crime just by having them
sort of walk around the streets and their army fatigues
and be there and and sort of like bring some order.
They were quickly promoted to what's called the Green status,
which is allowing them to carry unloaded weapons and ammunition.
(01:08:51):
And now there's speculation about whether they will move to
Amber status, which is ammunition loaded but not in the
firing chamber of their weapons, or Red status, which is
them carrying around loaded weapons that are ready to be
fired at a moment's notice. You know, Trump has said
he's going to deploy another five hundred National Guard troops
to Washington, DC in response to this. I think the
(01:09:15):
less argument has mostly been let's pull the troops off
the streets. I mean, their answer is if we take
the National Guard troops off the streets and we let
the Capitol Police and the Washington DC Police handle crime
and handle the things that are happening in the nation's capital.
The National Guard troops who are not trained for this
kind of thing will be you know, removed from a
(01:09:37):
threat on the right. To your point, I don't see
a lot of people talking about how the Guard troops
should be, you know, I guess to say, I don't
see a lot of people talking about how we should
handle protecting the Guard troops coming forward. I think most
of the focus has been on the debate around the
immigration side of this and Afghan nationals. So I think
(01:09:58):
it's a fair thing raise, which is we can do
things for the National Guard troops to ensure that they're
a little bit safer. And maybe that is you know,
putting them into sort of amber status where they're more
ready to respond to a threat like this. Maybe it's
just putting them in positions where they're behind barricades or
they're in positions in the city that are less vulnerable
(01:10:20):
to kind of ambush style attack. I mean, we saw
something that just happened with an ice facility in Texas
as well. I mean, these events, unfortunately, are popping up
more and more so. I think it's a really important
conversation to have. I don't see a lot of people
on the right making arguments about how to better protect
the troops right now.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Isaac Saul joining US, founder of Tangled News and war
winning media organization covering perspectives from the right, left, and
right down the center. Isaac, when it comes to these
type of really high profile tragic events, whether it's it's
this one involving the two West Virginia National Guard members
or Charlie Kirk's assassination, you point this out in your
(01:11:00):
article this week. We want a simple explanation. And TJ
and I were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
We want to we want to know the why, and
we want it to be very simple. Well, it's because
this person was radicalized. Well, it was because this person
was provoked by actions by the administration. It was because
of this, And often cases it's not that simple. It's
(01:11:22):
very nuanced, and that seems to be at least the
case is we learn more about this shooter, and look,
I'm not making excuses for him, but he did seek asylum,
was granted, asylum was led in the country by the
Biden administration. The asylum approved by the Trump administration and
something happened in between, and amongst all of that, it's
much more nuanced than just all the refugees are bad
(01:11:45):
or the president have provoked this attack. It's much more nuanced.
Speaker 38 (01:11:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's his case. To me, I think
is a really great example of how your pet issue,
whatever it is, whether it's immigration, or it's done control
or you know, it's military TWTSB. I mean, it's never
one of these single things. I think oftentimes these events
happen at kind of the the intersection of a lot
(01:12:11):
of different issues. And yeah, you're right, Like this guy
came into the country. I mean, according to Christy Nellum,
you know, he was radicalized after being here, Which is
an interesting point she made because on the one hand,
it sort of absolves the Biden administration of negligence. If
he wasn't radical when he came in, then you can
make the arguments that they were right to allow him
(01:12:33):
into the country after the wedding process. On the other hand,
it sort of points to some of the rights argument,
which is even when we let people in who aren't
threats at the time they come here, there's still risk
because they can be radicalized after the fact, and you know,
I think what stuck out to me about this story,
and the thing to me that seems like a common
(01:12:56):
trend in a lot of the sort of mass shootings
or acts of by islands that we've seen in our
country that are really public, is that this guy was
struggling financially. He was without a job, he was spending
a lot of time in isolation on the internet. There
were people around him. You know, we have these emails
now from these local boss and faith leaders who were
(01:13:18):
raising red flags saying we're worried about him. You know,
he doesn't seem totally right. He seems upset, despondent, isolated,
these kinds of things, and then eventually that person acts
out in a manner like this. And I think that's
something that is a pattern, that's something that is pretty consistent,
is that there are often signs. It's often men in
(01:13:38):
their twenties or thirties. It's often people who have a
you know, some kind of PTSD or some whether it's
military PTSD or you know, they experienced violence previously. I mean,
these sorts of things have come up again and again
in these kinds of shootings, and so, you know, the
there haven't been many mass shootings or acts of violence
like this involving Afghan That actually, I mean, I would
(01:14:01):
say that's one of the things that makes this case unique.
I think the typical thing are those other parts of
his story that, yeah, there are a lot of issues
sort of bubbling up at once, which makes it a
hard thing to solve in.
Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
What you do taking a look at the right, taking
a look at the left, and in the center, why
do you suppose, not just in this story, but in
the mass of your experience. It seems to me that
what we often call here on this show the sensible center,
is getting squeezed and they are becoming less and less vocal.
(01:14:38):
And I don't know if that's opposition, if that's pressure
from the other sides, so they want to disengage from
the conversation. But David and I were talking at about
this the other day that look, I think a temporary
pause on immigration and visa extension makes sense, just to
identify are there any gaps, ask some process questions, and
(01:14:59):
try to better the process and then kick it back
into gear. But it seems like centrists are getting more
and more drown out of the conversation. And I don't
know if that's of their own accord in opting out
or they're being pressured out, but it would seem a
good time for folks that have more moderate views to
want to interject themselves into the conversation and doing what
(01:15:20):
you do. I would be very curious to understand what
your thoughts are on that and how you see the
role of moderates in the country today moving forward in
public discourse.
Speaker 38 (01:15:31):
Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I'll add to you.
I mean, I think the asylum pause or a pause
on some of the integration stuff is also smart because
we have a backlog of millions of people and millions
of cases that need to be resolved, which will help
us better handle the knee cases that are popping up.
So there is some I think a pretty strong case
there for that. You know, it's really interesting. I mean,
(01:15:52):
one of the things that's really tough is I think
it's easy to be a partisan on the far left
and far right and make emotional appeals to people and
make issues that are complicated black and white, you know,
and when you're a centrist, or when you have moderate politics,
or when you're somewhere in the middle, politically, and you know,
(01:16:13):
you agree with Republicans on some things and you agree
with Democrats on other things. It's hard to make your
point in quickly tweets or sixty second TikTok videos because
you have to inject some nuance and you have to
say things are a little bit complicated and it's not
quite as simple. And on the one hand, this and
on the other hand that, And the truth is, I
(01:16:34):
think a lot of Americans just don't today have the
attention stand or the interest in that. Like you said,
they you know, they want a simple explanation for these
kinds of things. And when a simple explanation is offered,
it's really easy to grapple on to that. And I
think the people who are the moderates, the people who
are that sensible center, they have a much much harder
(01:16:54):
task because they have to appeal to the better nature
of people, the less emotional nature people, and they have
to be able to do it in a way that's
interesting while also offering real solutions that are maybe not
so simple to implement or not so simple to explain.
And you know, unfortunately, on a lot of the most
devices topics in our country, and immigration is a great example.
(01:17:16):
The solution isn't simple. It's not as simple as banning
people from a certain country, you know. I mean, I think, good,
this is a great example. You can say, all right,
well let's just stop accepting refugees from Afghanistan. Well, what's
that going to do to the refugees from Afghanistan? You're
already here. I mean, you want to talk about something
that could radicalize somebody. What about sacrificing your family and
(01:17:40):
your life in a war in Afghanistan for the belief
in America. You know, you do that for American soldiers
and then you come here and then you're kicked out
of the country or families supported. I mean, that's the
kind of thing that could radicalize someone. So there's risk
to that team, you know. But it's an easy solution
that's easy to grapp belong to. And so I think
we have a tough job people who are the moderates,
(01:18:02):
people who are the sensible center, because we have to
make our arguments in interesting and concise ways in a
sea of information where people are reducing complicated issues to
thirty second sound bites and tweets. And that's a tough job.
But you know, we have to do it because I
think on the left and the right we're sort of
barreling towards more and more extremism, and we need to
(01:18:24):
convince people that there's this big middle band of Americans
who have good ideas and interesting ideas and are right
about a lot of issues, and we just have to
compromise a little bit and meet there. And it's not
an easy thing to sell to the public, but it's necessary.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Isaac Sahl, founder of Tangle News. We're winning media organization
covering the biggest stories from the right, left, and the center.
You can see his work at read tangle dot com. Isaac,
thank you so much for the perspective today. We appreciate it.
Speaker 38 (01:18:54):
Thanks for having me, Fellows. I'd love to come back anytimes.
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Let me get a couple of texts in here quickly
three or four talk three or four. So typical the
left to make the shooter the victim. So Trump and
company are making a case for war on Venezuela because
of drug trafficking and committing war crimes because of drug trafficking.
Yet Trump just pardoned former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez,
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convicted in the US for drug trafficking. Does it make
sense to either of you.
Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
The explanation on that yesterday from the White House, They
made it sound like it's an apples and oranges comparison. Frankly,
that the president of Honduras was thrown under the bus
when he wasn't responsible, and any Hondurans have come to
the President asking him to pardon that individual.
Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
That's what I know.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Do you know where he was released from?
Speaker 7 (01:23:07):
By what?
Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Hazelton?
Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Hazelton? He was here?
Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Really, according to Mike Nolton this morning. Who informed me
of that, Yes, Hazelton, he was in Preston County.
Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Of all places, we.
Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Get a lot of people out there that are quite
nefarious or infamous. I think we've had a few. Wasn't
Whitey Balder out? He was out there right, Yeah, for
about two days. Did not end well for foot out
of mouth.
Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Coming up, Brad McElhenny is going to join us. He
was following a Supreme Court case that not a lot
of us were involving a mixed race toddler and an
Amish couple and what makes the family. We'll talk about
that coming up next. This is talk Line on Metro
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million illegals the Biden administration knowingly brought in and let
come in here in just four years, and not just
illegal aliens, criminals, rapist, murders, and yes, terrorist, how about
we just put a complete and total stop to any
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happened to looking out for the hard working, text ping
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This is a This is historically documented. After Columbine, the
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Silent Wars. It's way more than just an X Files
episode title name, says the Texter, Uh three or four
three four? The reason our country has not won a
war since World War Two is the moral attitude of politicians.
Morality has nothing to do with war. Texter wants to no, Dave,
how much damage to the truck?
Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Enough?
Speaker 39 (01:29:14):
Enough?
Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Enough?
Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, it's not it's more than it's not getting buffed out, TJ.
Let me put it that way. It ain't getting buffed out.
Maybe time to look at that corvette you've always done it. Well,
it's always time to look at one of those. Now
is probably not the time to bring up that suggestion
to the wife though, TJ. Well, I'm the one that
brought it up, so I'll say, you know, TJ said
(01:29:37):
what we should do.
Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Oh, I've been informed. I thought Brad was calling in.
I've been informed he's in this. I can't see you
this morning, TJ. Usually I've got all the cameras and
I can see what's going on in the studio. I've
been informed he's sitting there with you.
Speaker 13 (01:29:50):
This.
Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
He is Brad mcleha in person with me here morning, Brad.
Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Oh, Hi, guys, Yes, I'm admiring QJ. Sorry about that, Brad.
Usually I've got a whole monitor with a of cameras.
It's kind of creepy actually, where I can see everything
that happens in the Charleston studio. Today's not that day, though,
And I had no idea you were sitting there. I
apologize I should have piped up. Let me give the
full introduction. Brad macklheny has mentioned new Statewide correspondent. He
(01:30:15):
had a story over at wv metronews dot com. It's
still there. Mixed race, Toddler, an Amish couple. What makes
a family in the State Supreme Court, you have my attention, Brad.
I read from the story in a case decided earlier
this month, Justices of West Virginia Supreme Court determined that
under law, the main ingredients for a family are love
(01:30:37):
and supports. Okay, so why was the state Supreme Court
weighing in on what makes a family?
Speaker 43 (01:30:45):
Mm hmm, Well, you know this is not necessarily high
profile news, but the case came down and I picked
up on it during a holiday period where people are
thinking along the lines of I'm gathering with my family
and what does that mean? And this case was spinning
a lot of factors, and they were interesting factors.
Speaker 38 (01:31:07):
This was.
Speaker 43 (01:31:09):
Originally a baby who was unfortunately removed from his mother
and his father. His his three older sisters already had
been and they were they were taken in by an
Amish couple in Summers County. The three older sisters had
already been adopted. After they were taken into the home,
(01:31:33):
the little boy was born. So that's why in part
he was his own.
Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
The sisters were in the Amish household and has been adopted.
Speaker 43 (01:31:40):
They already had and and the little boy was adopted.
Was was was born thereafter, and that's why he was
the singular focus of this case. The Amish couple right
after he was born took him in also, but there
were there were questions about about the circumstances. One was
(01:32:05):
and and considering we are we are all male people
discussing this, it's this is a little bit awkward. But
one of them the original points of contention was that
the mother, the Amish mother who who wanted to take
in the boy, was inducing lactation and intending to breastfeed.
That was a no, no, not not supposed to cross
(01:32:27):
that line. And when the case went to circuit court,
through the recommendation of a review by the garden guardian
had item that's a that's a legal figure intended to
watch out for kids in foster care. When when the
guardian adem originally said, hey, you need to look at
these circumstances. Uh, that was that was the one that
(01:32:47):
originally kicked off the case. The mother complied that the judge,
it was Judge Selango of Knawk County, uh said all right,
let's cut that out.
Speaker 19 (01:32:56):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:32:56):
The mother complied. So then that aspect of the case
became a non factor. But there were other continuing questions
that first went before Judge Selango and then before the
five Justices of the Supreme Court, mostly having to do
with culture. This was a mixed race child who is
(01:33:19):
now a toddler now around two years old. On balance,
the Amish couple presented a loving home. The sisters were
already in the home, so you know, blood relatives who
were already already there. But three questions. One was in
this Amish culture, according to the court filings, children only
(01:33:44):
go to school up until the eighth grade, and then
they seek maybe a vocational education, vocational training. That's you know,
that's not the norm. Typically in West Virginia and other states.
You'd you'd become a senior in high school and then
after that it would be you know, do you pursue
a college degree whatever? In this case, only to the
eighth grade. And the legal question was does that educational
(01:34:09):
level comply with West Virginia's guarantee to a thorough and
efficient education, the constitutional guarantee. The second question was medical
care and vaccination.
Speaker 22 (01:34:20):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:21):
This community typically, according to the court filings, does not
believe in the standard vaccinations that that people get, particularly
for school.
Speaker 38 (01:34:30):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:31):
There was also a question not only of medical practices,
but the availability of medical care.
Speaker 38 (01:34:38):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:39):
The family's the Amish couple said that they had they
had provided the vaccinations that are necessary for this child
and that they would make sure medical care is available
even if they had to travel.
Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:34:52):
And then the third question was you know, purely a
cultural mix. This was a mixed race child and an
Amish and very traditional couple in a even even in
a very white state, this was a very white community.
Speaker 9 (01:35:08):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:35:09):
There were there were some details here that that that
also came up in court. When you pursue taking a
foster child into your home, you fill out forms, and
one of the forms apparently has a question about what
what demographic background are you most interested in? And this
(01:35:32):
couple apparently marked a box saying we are most interested
in a white child, And and that came up as
a question of well, you know, is this child over
time going to truly fit in not only with the family,
but with the community the couple as it turns out,
as I understand it, also though had had checked a
second box saying, but we are willing to to, you know,
(01:35:55):
consider other backgrounds. And you know, I filled out a
zillion forms, and sometimes I don't know what the questions
even mean, so I didn't make a big deal of
that in the story. But as I explained to the listeners,
why was it a question of whether you know, the
Amish couple could provide a culturally comfortable fit for a
(01:36:15):
mixed race child. That was an aspect of the testimony.
Speaker 7 (01:36:19):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:36:20):
In the end, both Judge Selango and the five Justices
unanimously of the Supreme Court, you know, not only weighed
their hearts. When I talk about what's a family, I
don't want to make it sound like they ruled on
sentiment alone, but they all judged that the law and
the standards for foster care in West Virginia UH call for,
(01:36:42):
above all, a loving and.
Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Support of home.
Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
So Silango said this was okay. It was that her ruling,
and then someone challenged it again and that's why it
went to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 43 (01:36:52):
It really was the guardian ad litem in the case
who had had raised initially the breastfeeding issue, but also
the three the level of education, the access to medical
care and vaccination, and then the cultural fit. State officials
the Department of Human Services were on the side of
(01:37:13):
the family saying, you know, we have trouble finding.
Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
I was going to say, what are you home to
the first place, what's the alternative?
Speaker 43 (01:37:19):
And that you know, by all accounts, this had been
a loving and supportive home, and the state was on
the side of allowing the Amish couple to keep not
only the little boy, but I don't think there was
any question of keeping the three elder sisters, but keeping
the family intact.
Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Mentioned New state Wide correspondent Brad Backaheady joining me, joining us, Brad,
it jumped out to me. First of all, it was
a great read, a great job deciphering. Legally, that's always challenging.
But we are a state where we talk about the
foster care crisis. We need more foster families, we need
more people who are willing to open their homes, and
(01:37:57):
we talk about the chilling effect. And I just wonder
if if for people, people who are interested, if these
sorts of things, this sort of scrutiny where somebody may
come and go, wow, but but are you really the
is your culture or your upbring really the right fit
to adopt a child or to foster a child. I
wonder if there's a chilling effect there. And that's just
(01:38:18):
that's just where my mind wandered as I read through
the details of this story.
Speaker 43 (01:38:23):
Yeah, you know, I think that's right. There are, unfortunately,
you know, seven thousand kids in foster care in West
Virginia who who've been removed from their home. Many of
them wind up living with grandparents, and that is probably
an optimal situation. I did wonder, I mean, this presents
(01:38:45):
an unusual situation where you know, there are there are
particulars of the Amish community that that were being questioned about,
well is it is it?
Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Is this the right fit?
Speaker 43 (01:38:56):
But I did wonder, like if you if you change
the story ever so slightly and you had a family
that believes in living under Sharia law, would that change
people's perception of what is appropriate? I mean, I don't
know that's a pure theoretical but if the situation were
changed just a little bit, would people, you know, also
(01:39:19):
wonder is this right?
Speaker 11 (01:39:21):
Well?
Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
I mean, there are elements of Sharia law that clearly
run contrary to American law discrimination of women, you know,
So I get what you're saying. I think that's wholly different.
And I'm not blaming the athlete. I mean, look, that
person has a job to do. They should raise concerns.
Sounds like they did. Sounds like the judges made the
(01:39:42):
right call. To me, I really like what Justice Haley
Bunn said here in her concurring quote. The Circuit Court
found that MB should remain in his foster placement, which
provides him with a quote stable, loving home, reunited with
his siblings, and where all parties agree he is content,
healthy and loved. To your point, we have many children
(01:40:03):
in this state who are not content, healthy and loved.
Right call Judge se Lingo, Right call Supreme Court.
Speaker 43 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I you know, I think the quote that you
mentioned I concluded with it because I also thought it
enveloped a lot of good points. And again, I don't
want people to think that that the justices decided only
with their hearts. They decided based on law, legal precedent,
the foster Care Bill of Rights. But what Judge Justice
(01:40:32):
Bunn had to say, also with some brevity, encompassed those
those values, the caring home and the love and the
support the other aspects of the case. You know, if
presumably as a child ages, they they can make their
own call on things. If if if this child is
(01:40:53):
older and wants to pursue more education. Once the child
enters into adulthood, you know, I think at that point
you get to make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Mention News Statewide correspondent Brad McIlhenny. You can read the story.
It's still posted for you over at wvmetronews dot com.
Before you go, Brad, we did just get an update
from Senate President Randy Smith while you were explaining the story.
Senator Senate President Randy Smith is named Senator Tom Willis
as Chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary for the
(01:41:26):
upcoming legislative session.
Speaker 43 (01:41:29):
Don't know what you want to do with that information,
but there will be an adventure. Senator Willis is also
going to be on ballots running for the US Senate,
so he will be working hard on the Judiciary Committee
and also trying to run a statewide campaign for federal office.
Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
He did previously serve as the vice chair of the
Judiciary Committee as well, so he will be Judiciary Committee chairman.
Because you know, Brad, I know your favorite time of
year is not far away. The legislatives. What about six weeks?
Are we inside six weeks?
Speaker 43 (01:42:03):
I will I will get to see you in person
if you can figure out a way to get there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
I may be bunking with you, Brad. They may just
drop me off and leave me there.
Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
We will.
Speaker 43 (01:42:13):
We will use whatever transportation we can find, whether it
is jet ski or a we'll go down the mountain.
Somehow you could do that.
Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
You could jet ski across the river and just based
on your yeah, yeah, you should try that. I would
love to see that person. I would even I would
even take the responsibility of procuring the jet ski if
you'll do that.
Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It might be the winter on the canal, it might
be cold.
Speaker 43 (01:42:38):
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Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Jake the video producer would love it. We can make
that happen. Added to the list of things we need
to do this session. Added to our list of bills.
We need to introduce dj Okay Brad good reporting as always,
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Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
We're talking there before the text line text or so,
it sounds like the ad item did their job. Yeah,
I think so and look TJ.
Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
This kind of goes back to.
Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
A central theme that at least I keep coming back to.
There's nothing wrong with asking the questions. And for some
reason in our not just in our politics, but in
a lot of our culture today, asking questions gets misinterpreted
as advocating for something just because you asked the question.
In this case with the child is it the right fit?
(01:47:30):
Are is the child going to be taken care of,
receive medical attention, receive a proper education. There's nothing wrong
with asking the questions, just like there's nothing wrong with
asking the questions. Does the President have the authority to
do X? Does this mission? You know, the Secretary have
the authority to do why? Asking questions? There's nothing wrong
(01:47:50):
with that and getting answers to those questions. That's not
necessarily advocating or trying to push an agenda by asking
for information.
Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
It's trying to understand, it's trying to identify problems. It's
spurring conversation to get at the heart of the issue.
And I'm actually writing about this for tomorrow. I am
very concerned, more so after what happened last week about
the condition of Americans and many people on the far
fringe left and right pushing back on those of us
(01:48:22):
who want to ask questions, and frankly, our leaders pushing
back when we ask those questions. President Trump called a
reporter stupid Thanksgiving night at mar A Laga for posing
a question.
Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
That's not leadership.
Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
It's not I'm sorry, let me see, I mean try.
We got a bunch of text here that I'm not
gonna be able to get to three or four. Talk
three four, Texter says, they don't care if one zombie dies,
there is always two more. They know there is a
direct link between product and death. Talking about the drug traffickers, Nice,
try TJ too bad. You can't blame Obama for Trump's
(01:48:58):
incompetence and evil. I don't know what you tried, but nice,
I don't either. Yeah, I'm not sure. Sorry, I can't respond.
Don't know what you're talking about. Drug dealers are trying
to kill Americans? What a justification, says the Texter. The
liberal rear admiral has taken it too many times. Yep,
shouldn't have started reading that on three or four. Talk
three or four. If you can, if you can fog
(01:49:20):
a mirror, you can make an admiral in the Coastguard,
says the Texter. That's an unwarranted shot. Why what's the
virtue of that, Dave? I mean, what is this man
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three oh four Talk three oh four coming up this morning,
We're going to hit the weather. It is a mess
in the Morgantown area. How about where you are? Let
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three or four is the text line. Eight hundred seven
sixty five eight two five five crashes all over Mondengay County.
We'll get into that later. Mike Nolton will join us.
Coming up, we'll get a little bit of an update
from Mike in just a bit from the WAJR newsroom. Also,
Brad mcklhoney, we'll join us second hour of the show.
(01:54):
More on the tragic shooting of two West Virginia National
Guard members in Washington, DC over the Thanksgiving holiday week.
We will get into that and this story, this controversy
over the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and this no
quarter order. We'll get into all of that as the
show unfolds this morning. Say good morning to TJ. Meadows,
(02:15):
who is in Charleston in the Cove Insurance Studios. Good morning, sir,
Good morning. Do you really want me to ask you
how I know what?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm not sure if you were being literal or not. Well, okay, listen,
we're all one big, happy family here. I was among
those who had to be assisted this morning due to
a little vehicle mishap on the way into work today.
So ask me how I know if the roads are bad, Tj.
Because they're bad.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
They're bad.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We got as I was coming in. I come in
very early in the morning and there was a layer
of ice under the snow that had just started to
fall in. I hit a layer of that ice, and
now I've got to rides and figure out a way
to get home later today.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So, you know, I'm glad you're okay.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Mike Nolton WJR. News was the man with the great
words of encouragement. He said, Hey, you didn't roll over,
you didn't go over a hill, you didn't end up
in the water. Well, thanks Mike, I appreciate the words
of encouragement there.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So last night is as we were about to call
it a day, I said to my wife, I said,
what are we going to do? What's our contingency plan?
If they canceled school? Oh, surely they would. They won't
do that. Maybe a two hour delay and we could
deal with that fine, I said, I don't know. I'd
feel more comfortable if we had a contingency plan. No, no, no,
So hour delay four or five this morning canceled school,
(03:44):
and I said, if only someone would have had the forrest.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So what is the so up here? We got the
ice and a lot more snow than we had anticipated.
What's the situation in the Charleston Canall Valley area. Yeah, no,
So it's interesting. The drive in this morning in my
part of Tays Valley, it's not much. I mean, we
had a dusting on the cars right, nothing that the
windshie wipers couldn't take off, Not like you had to
get out there and sweep the car off or anything
like a mix of rain snow kind of thing. But
(04:11):
I'm told in areas just north and Putnam County, like
Eleanor and Buffalo, they had, you know, multiple inches of snow.
So I think it depends on exactly where you are.
My drive in from the Valley to Charleston was relatively easy,
you take your time, didn't see any accidents, So I think,
you know, Charleston South has largely been spared. I think
(04:31):
the north central part of the state, the northern Panhandle.
I talked to Howard Monroe this morning. They have a
lot of snow there in the Wheeling area, so I
think that's where it's at Dave and that's where the
brunt of the storm is hit. Let's bring in an
actual meteorologist mediorog the National Weather Service, Francis Credenzer joins
us on Metro Neese talk line this morning. Francis, good morning.
(04:51):
What the world happened early this morning across the state?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Oh yeah, good morning, and you know, pretty much as expected,
we had, you know, several inches of snow across the
northern part of the state and into parts of the
mid Ohio Valley. I think there were some areas that
maybe it was a little more than expected, but overall,
we saw you know, north of US fifty north central
west Virginia up into the northern Panhandle. Generally three to
(05:17):
six inches of snow have been reported. Some areas also
had a light blaze of you know, some freezing rain.
But thankfully the freezing rain aspect of this storm doesn't
seem to have been quite as bad as expected. But
as a trade off, some of the snow was a
little heavier. As you go down towards you know, Parkersbury
in the midd Ohio Valley, we're looking at two to
(05:38):
four inches, and then yeah, here in you know, Charleston,
it was you know, just you know, a couple of
tenths of snow accumulated after things changed over and then yeah,
as you get out into Tayese Valley and up north
you know the you know, seventy seven corridor and also
the US thirty five north of Tayes Valley. There were
(05:58):
a couple of reports of an inch or two of snow,
but definitely north central West Virginia got hit the hardest
with with this system. That's definitely where we've seen the
worst roads as well.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Francis, what do we expect going forward into the latter
part of the day as well as into the rest
of the week.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Right now, for the rest of today, there's gonna be
some areas of light snow showers that continue around the area.
We got another little line of light snow that's actually
pushing through tays Valley and towards Charleston right now. But
there's just gonna be the scattered light snow showers around
all day. So some areas, anywhere where it's below freezing,
you're going to pick up a little additional accumulation, But overall,
(06:41):
we're not expecting too much more snow outside of maybe
the northern mountains. And then for you know, tonight, definitely
watch out for any areas where it's still wet on
the roads. Things could refreeze as we get blow freezing,
so you know, definitely keep an eye out and you know,
drive I have a little extra careful, especially tonight when
(07:02):
things might refreeze. Looking forward for the rest of the week,
Wednesday night into Thursday, there could be another light snow
event across the northern part of the state. Uh, you know,
mostly again north of the US fifty corridor, so you know,
north central west Virginia into the Panhandle, and then a
little bit of a you know, another dry stretch, and
then maybe over the weekend we could have another you know,
(07:24):
rain snow event. But right now it's not looking like
we're having as much moisture come in with that event
versus what we just saw, you know last night into.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This morning, Francis, is this system that's impacting us here
at north central west Virginia, northern west Virginia, how is
it impacting other areas across you know, the Midwest and
into the east coast here.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, it looks like we've got, you know, as you
head west up into Ohio and Indiana, we've got you know,
pretty widespread reports of i'd say three to six inches
of rain of snow, and then you know, as you
go up towards northern Ohio and the Pittsburgh area also,
you know, pretty widespread reports of you know, on the
(08:09):
order of three to six inches of snow. So yeah,
it's definitely, you know, not a really heavy system by
any stretch, at least for our area and areas you know,
north and west, but just a very widespread, you know,
decent snowfall, nothing crazy, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Francis Credenzer at National Weather Service, Hey, appreciate the update.
Thank you so much, and we'll be careful out there
on the roads. Well well now be you at least,
thanks appreciate it. Francis coming up. Mike Nelton's going to
join us. He has been a very busy man this
morning in the newsroom for w A Jr. In Morgantown.
As I mentioned, crashes all over the place. Roads we're
closed all over town this morning. We'll get an update
(08:50):
from Mike in just a moment. Coming up. Bottom of
the hour, Tjay, We're going to get into this discussion
that involves Pete Hegseth, the Narco terrorist, the boats running
in the Caribbean, and what exactly the orders are or
did he go too far? What exactly is going on there?
(09:10):
We're going to try to parse that out coming up
bottom of the hour. Correct, Sorry, Dave, I was trying
to respond to something. Yeah, and with you know, look
the podium yesterday at the White House. I don't know
if you saw the press briefing or not. They were
very clear that the admiral that commanded all of this
was acting in accordance with international law.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
They didn't mince any words. He had every right to
do what he did. So the White House is dug
in on this. They are dug in on it, and
I've got a lot of questions about it because I
it just it doesn't seem right. Does that make sense?
I mean, if someone's defenseless in the water, it doesn't
seem right to me.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I hear you. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And we're I think, as you and I usually are.
We're in the same ballpark. We might just be in
slightly different ends of the field. We'll get into that
a little bit more. I'm going to talk to Bill
hang On. I got the name right here. It's a
bit of a crazy morning. Bill Bob Gardner, retired admiral.
He's going to join us coming up bondo of the hour.
We'll get his take on that situation and eleven o six.
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If you're watching the video stream this morning, it may
look just a little bit different. I'm back in my
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did the local show on WAJAR in Morgantown. Hoppy used
to do talk line out of the studio once upon
a time. But well give them the fact I decided
to test out the foil driving my truck this morning.
(14:48):
That aside, roads of Morgantown are terrible today, so much
so that I couldn't make the trip to downtown Morgantown
where the Tos Mahoff studios exist. So I'm in the old,
the old talk show studio. It's not old, it's actually
quite nice. But it's the WAJR talk show studio where
talk of the town Morgantown am originates from prior to
this show each weekday on WAJR in Morgantown. Mike Nolting
(15:13):
hosts that show. He's also been a very busy man,
trying to keep up with crashes mine included, and everything
else going on this morning here in north central West Virginia. Morning, Mike, Hey,
good morning, Dave.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Glad to see that you're okay, Sirah.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Thank you. I appreciate it, absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But dude, is slick up here in the Morgantown Montague
County area.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
It's bad.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's bad.
Speaker 17 (15:32):
I live over in the first ward. It normally takes
me about five minutes to get in. Today more like
about thirty. Well, yeah, yeah, Now, the hogback turn right
there on Brockway Avenue. There was a truck jack knife
there and I attempted to go around that truck, but
then at the top of.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
The hill the road was closed, so I had to
back all the way down the hill and I turned around.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's a main artery to get into downtown Morgantown right there,
that's completely shut off. But that wasn't the only road.
Speaker 17 (16:02):
No, no, no, Then you have to back up and
go through Marilla Park in order to get into Saberton
to the Palatial Studios.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So what's happening?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, numbers this morning, Yeah, I sure do.
Speaker 17 (16:17):
More than seventy motorists assists, more than forty accidents reported,
and five of those at least did include some sort
of a minor injury. The National Weather Service tells us
that here in the Morgantown area it was anywhere from
two and a half to about four inches, but the
(16:38):
average that the meteorologists are settling on, most people got
anywhere from three and a half to four inches. So
if you got two and a half inches here in
the Morgantown area, consider yourself lucky.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Now. One of the.
Speaker 17 (16:50):
Fears was freezing rain up in the higher elevations. That
really didn't pan out. They got very little freezing rain
up there. And they tell me that the next storm
that they're watching will come in Thursday afternoon. They tell
me that that will be a quick hitter with not
much precipitation.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Just like this.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It was supposed to be a dusting right right, Sorry, Teja, No,
you're fine. Talk about is it ice under snow?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Mike?
Speaker 5 (17:20):
I mean, what is it just piled up and crush snow?
I mean, what are you seen on the roads and
can you plow through this stuff. I mean, are they
out trying to get it cleaned up?
Speaker 17 (17:27):
They most certainly are out there trying to get it
clean and cleaned up. And that's one of the things.
These temperatures right around the freezing mark are really helping
them because the chemicals are working great.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And even just traffic on.
Speaker 17 (17:39):
The road helps to deplete the effect or the icy
What am I trying to say, Guys, When you put
traffic on the road, it just melts the snow and
makes the road easier to drive.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Sure, the cohesion breaks up of everything.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yet there you go. Thank you, TJ.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You're welcome, sir.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Now.
Speaker 17 (17:57):
One thing that meteorologists did say was once you get
down around fifty into the Clarksburg area, there's quite a
bit less snowfall reported in those areas.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Mike Noltson joining us WAJR News in Morgantown, where, well,
there's quite a bit of snow out on the ground
this morning. Let me tell you that freezing rain was
a thing. There is definitely ice. At least early this morning,
you had a layer of ice and there was a
little bit of snow on top of that, and that
costs for some treacherous travel. Early in the morning commute.
Speaker 17 (18:27):
And I can tell you that, you know, going down
the hills is also a very tricky proposition here this morning.
You believe it, And even if you think you're going slow,
you're probably not going slow enough because to Dave's point
and TJ's as well, once you lock your wheels up
on that ice underneath, you're a passenger. You're just trying
(18:50):
to steer to stay ahead of what's going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Kind of sounds, Mike, like a good day if you
can to work from home. I mean, I'm not telling
people what to do, but it might be something to
think about if you have that luxury.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 17 (19:01):
Because classes on the Morgantown campus they won't commence until
noon today. All the local school systems are closed. MECHA
nine one to one Executive director Jim Smith says, stay
at home and let the snowplows own the road here
until maybe about three four o'clock. Things should be passable.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
The worst I ever saw it here in Morgantown, guys,
was several years ago. I just refer to this day
as the Kansas game.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That what were you here?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, so I wasn't sure if you had started working
or not. We got an afternoon snow squall right as
school was letting out, people were going home from work.
Kansas was playing WV at the coliseum, Hope Coliseum. This
is several years ago, and it was the perfect recipe
of not a lot of snow, but there was snow,
and then it froze, and then you had cars on
(19:53):
the road and the plows couldn't get out. You had
kids stuck on school buses that day. That was the
worst I've ever seen it in town. Put this up
with that, but I would it can see it from
where it is from its position this morning.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I believe that you're right.
Speaker 17 (20:07):
And I think one of the benefits with this storm
was maybe the timing obviously not for you, but for
but for but for people that work a normal shift.
They were able to get up and look out and say, nop,
not doing it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I recall I think it was two thousand and two,
really bad storm. I was a junior at WFU at
the time. It was a Sunday evening and I was
supposed to be in just the monitor stuff right at
there in the grip building at Sabertin and I called.
I was trying to weeze my way out of it
because I Kerchieval's there. Kerchieval's there, and he's like, you're
(20:45):
not coming in, not coming in.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, and I didn't want to talk to him.
I wanted to talk to the other guy so I
could get away with it. He's like, oh, no, you're
coming in. I'll come get you. I got four whel drive.
So Kerchival comes gets me, he picks me up. I
get over there. He calls, hey, you're there. Just stay
the night.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Stay the night. I'll pick you up in the morning.
D D So that that was my bad.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Weather story in Morgantown there and how I ended up
staying the night at the radio station, which was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We had a guy several years ago. I can remember
what storm it was, tried the well. I can't get
their story.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Kyle Wiggs said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'll come get you. Yes, and he did.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Kyle went to get hid. In my defense, there was
no way my little two wheel drive car. I mean,
when Kirchibll got there, he's like, oh, yeah, you weren't kidding.
I was like, yeah, I can't get the blasted thing out.
I mean the snow is over top of the car.
Speaker 17 (21:32):
Yeah, but at that point you have to consider your options,
and that's when you go for the leather, personnel carriers
or your feet.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
It's a long walk from beechurchst Avenue to Saberton, my friend,
But yeah, I guess I could have done it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Every journey starts with one step.
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Thanks for good.
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Coming up, we're going to talk to Bill Bumgardner. He
is a retired rear admiral with the Coast Guard. About
this Washington Post report and Washington Post story that Secretary
Defense Pete Hegseth personally ordered US forces to kill everyone
aboard a suspected drug trafficking vessel. What does all that mean?
Did he go too far? What are rules of engagement?
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Also more on the tragic shooting in Washington, DC over
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TJ.
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And we've only got a couple of seconds here to
set this up for the second hour, But you wrote
about this a little bit about this issue as far
as the immigration policy and halting the visas for Afghan refugees,
and we're going to get into a little bit and
how that or may not have been a factor in
the larger picture here with the Isaac SolV tangle news.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
And I'm not a proponent of indefinitely ending visa's asylum
hearings immigration. I do think it is a sensible course
to take a pause. And pauses are temporary day they're
not permanent. Let's be clear on that and make sure
there aren't gaps. And I think that is a sensible
way to move forward that should happen quickly but deliberately.
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But this idea of ending immigration indefinitely, not on board
with that, But I do think it makes a lot
of sense to take a pause, make sure there's not
something that we're missing in the vetting process, revet those
who may be in question, and refigure and regroup moving forward.
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you are this morning. The National Security Leaders for America
put out a release yesterday, alarmed by the reporting that
Washington Post had this week that Secretary of Defense Pete
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Hegseth personally ordered US forces to kill everyone aboard a
suspected drug traffi trafficking vessel during a September second operation
in the Caribbean. The further reporting indicates that a second
missile strike was launched after the vessel was destroyed, killing
two survivors who were visibly clinging to debris. The release
goes on to say, if these reports are accurate, the
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actions described would be serious violations of both US and
international law. Joining us on much the News talk line
this morning is retired to US Coast Guard, where Admiral
Bill Baumgardner and accomplished senior executive in both the private
and public sectors with broad experience and management law and operations.
He joins us on Metro News talk line.
Speaker 23 (29:44):
Good morning, sir, Hi, good morning, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Appreciate you taking some time and joining us.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
So.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I gave the cliff Notes version of the incident from
September second. But what about this concerns you the most?
Speaker 23 (30:02):
Well? I think the thing that concerns me most is
that we are giving orders to use lethal force against
people without warning and without chance for surrender, and that
is not in accordance with international law domestic law. So
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even the first strike here on this vote in September
concerns me. Greatly because it is just not something that
appears to be lawful, and we don't have any we
haven't seen any justification for this, any legal analysis, and
it just doesn't seem to fit anywhere. So that's one
thing that bothers me about it tremendously. The second thing is,
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of course, this second strike against alleged strike against the
survivors in the water. And if you go to the
Department of Defense Law of War Manuel, it has a
paragraph in there that's that military members are obligated not
to follow unlawful, clearly unlawful orders, and the example that
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it gets is in order to fire on shipwreck persons,
exactly what we have in this particular case. So that
greatly concerns me there. So we have I don't think
that this is actually a lawful operation to begin with,
even if it was, we have something that is literally
the textbook example of an unlawful order and a war crime.
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I think the third thing that bothers me, and I
think that this is particularly I think pertinent for your listeners.
I just heard about some fentanyl arrests and fentanyl issues
on the news right before I came on the threat
that this country is seeing from drugs right now is fentanyl.
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Fentanyl does not come from South America. None of these
vessels blowing up have anything to do with fentanyl, which
is the real threat. Seventy to eighty percent of that
drug overdose deaths are from fentanyl. Every time we get
ourselves diverted and pretend that striking these boats is doing
something to ease the scourge of drug overdose deaths, particularly
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from fentanyl, we're fooling ourselves, and in fact, we may
be even making the fentanyl problem worse by diverting attention
to these cocaine boats and not addressing the actual fentanyl problem.
So those are the three things that probably worrying me
most about this situation.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So, Admiral, in the press briefing yesterday, the White House
Press Secretary from the podium with the White House emblem
behind her, was emphatic that the President was within his authority,
that the commanding admiral who had command operation over this
was well within his authority for the second strike. You've
made your case for why it's illegal. The White House
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obviously believes differently. How does this get reconciled?
Speaker 23 (32:57):
Well, first thing, you noticed, the White House is never
given us the rationale for why this is legal. We
don't have it. If they had a good rationale, you
would have it out there, you would be discussing it.
And I think another thing that really bothers me here
is we have a lot of service members out there
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that have read and have been taught in what the
law of war is, the law of warmed conflict. They
know that the rest of the world does not see
this as a proper operation, and they are caught in
a terrible situation where they may be given orders, they
don't know whether they're lawful or not, and the administration
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hasn't even given them the courtesy of showing them the
legal rationale for it. That bothers me. I think that
if you want your troops, you want to support your troops,
you make sure that when you ask them to kill somebody,
that you make sure that they under can why that
that order is lawful, and that you search for worldwide
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legitimacy for that campaign. And we don't see that here.
So when you see an assertion that this is, you know,
a lawful operation or within authority, but no rationale, no
way to link it to the actual law. That's very
concerning to me.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Retired US Rear Admiral Bill Bumgardner joining us here on
Metro News talk Line this morning. I want to zero
in on this specific incident. Let's let's assume for just
a moment there is rationale for the operation. Why is
the second strike a problem? Why is that in particular
a problem? Because, I mean, you launch a missile out
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of boat, You're obviously intending to destroy the boat and
kill everybody on it that you're launching a missile at it.
So why would a second strike after you've hit it
already once be a particular problem.
Speaker 23 (34:57):
Well, because under the law armed conflict, you have a
military objective, and if there's something being carried on that
boat that presents a threat, you destroy the thing that
presents the threat. The law of armed conflict is not
designed to go out there and say kill everybody that
looks this way or shows up in this particular place.
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And in fact, you know, giving orders to what they
would call no quarter, give no quarter orders or kill
everyone regardless of their circumstance that you consider a hostile.
Those are not lawful orders. And so the intent to
go out there and say my intent is to kill
everybody on that vessel. That's not that is not something
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that's appropriate under the law of armed conflict or legal
You go out there and you say, you could say,
if there was rationale that the movement of drugs is
a threat, which again that does not amount to a
threat to justify armed conflict or war. But if it was,
you stop the movement, and you do that in a
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proportional way, and you try to discriminate and not take
any more lives than you have to. So once you've
stopped the boat and you've destroyed the drugs, and now
there are now two survivors in the water, and there
is a long standing obligation it goes back for well
over one hundred years in international law and in conventions
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that we've signed that shipwrecked survivors, even if they were
your enemy, are to be treated. You know, you're try
if you possible and you can rescue them, you do that,
and you absolutely do not fire upon them when they
can present no threat to you. In World War Two,
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with German submarine commanders fired upon the stranded crews of
vessels that they sank, they were tried at Nuremberg and
they were executed for that, And that is in the
state of declared war. So that's a pretty long standing
tradition here. The one thing that has been just a
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real absolute cornerstone of the US military for a long
time is the pride and heritage that we're the good guys,
that we do good things. We do it the right way,
and it's not always the easy way, but we do
the right thing, and we're on the right side of
the law. We're the leaders of the free world. We
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uphold the rule of law. This is just a terrible
thing to deliberately target a shipwrecked survivor that doesn't present
any threat to you.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Talk to me about the naming of Admiral Frank Bradley
yesterday from the podium. I'd like your thoughts on that,
because I don't know that I recall specifics from the
podium in the past about the admiral who carried out
an operation or the general or whom where the command
officer may be. I don't necessarily want you to speculate,
(38:05):
But with so much scrutiny on ag seth to bring
the admirals specifically into the narrative yesterday, do you do
you have any feeling that that's the White House attempting
to perhaps create a scapegoat in this issue.
Speaker 23 (38:20):
Well, it could be, but I want to be fair.
Is that and prior major operations that were successful, other
administrations have taken some steps to in some cases highlight
who the commander was that that may have organized or
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or directed the operation. You know, they don't go down
to say the actual participants. That's not appropriate, But say
Admiral Brown was the commander of the Joint Special Operations Command,
and it wouldn't have been out of place on a
successful operation to note that the that the operation was
under their command and they directed him. The difference now
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is with an unfixed well with a I don't know
how you want to characterize it, but a controversial and
what many and I would be in that category would
say is there's not a successful operation. Many leaders choose to,
you know, be the you know, accept the responsibility, and
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be the one in front of the camera and say
these people were under my commander, my authority, and you know,
the responsibility and the buck stops with me. That's a
different choice. President Reagan took that position back with the
Bay Route bombing of the Marine barracks, and I simply
said this stops with me. I'm responsible, I'm the president.
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I put these people, I've put these marines here. Uh,
they were under my authority, and the buck stops with me.
So the different approaches, and I don't want to speculate
any more than that, but you know, I'll be somewhat
fair to the to the administration that when things go well,
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you do highlight the commander. And if the administration does
think that this all went very well and exactly is
the way they wanted to do, wanted it to be,
and that it was something to be proud of, then okay,
you know, highlight the commander. If, on the other hand,
you're taking incoming rounds, you know, you figure something else out.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Bill Bumgardner joining US retired Rear Admiral US Coast Guard Bill.
How is this situation different or is it different from
the Obama administration's drone strikes? Almost I think it was
five hundred and sixty some drone strikes. There were over
three thousand civilian casualties as a result of those. How
is this situation different or is it different from that
of those operations?
Speaker 23 (40:55):
I think it's quite different. The drone strikes were targeting
people that were actually engaged in supporting or conducting armed
combat or armed terrorist activities. They also provided the legal
justification for it. Not everybody agreed with all of it,
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but they provided it to try to get it out
there and say this is exactly how we reasoned it,
and if you may not like it, but it is here.
That is very different than what we're seeing today these strike.
Those strikes were against people that were affiliated, like I said,
with people trying to kill other people. This is very
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different than what we have right now in the Caribbean.
In the Caribbean, we have had a long standing problem
with drug smuggling. This is a criminal activity, bringing a
dangerous product or selling a dangerous product to actually intermediaries
in Mexico for the most part, that then bring it
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up and sell it to American citizens as willing buyers,
who then distribute it to other American citizens. Not all
of those end users are willing buyers. Some of them
are addicted. But this is cocaine, so it's different than
some other drugs, but still a very bad thing. This
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is not a situation where the people in any of
these boats are hoping to kill Americans. They do not
want to see Americans killed by their product. It's bad
for their business. They are immoral, terrible people, but engaged
in a criminal, capitalistic enterprise. They're not trying to kill Americans.
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So it's very, very different than the Obama drone strikes.
I'll grant you that they understand that their product will
have some will end up killing some people in overdoses,
but that's not their intent. In fact, if you actually
strut smugglers, could you provide cocaine that will absolutely not
result in an overdose? The cartels would be some of
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the first people there to say, Okay, how do we
do this? Because they want a drug business illegal, as
moral as it may be and damaging as it may be,
but they're not trying to kill Americans. Very very different.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Bill, We're going to have to leave the conversation there
because the clock is going to get us, as it
often does. We appreciate the perspective this morning, Rare Apple
US Coast guar retired Bill Bumgarner, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Appreciate it.
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All right, thank you for having me.
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TJ You ever refresh your cup of coffee and forget
and then take a big swig thinking it's you know,
the end of the cup.
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Which what I choked it, buddy, I'm not getting anything
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you're gonna pay for that. Man, I was not ready for.
I was ready for like that, you know, kind of lukewarm,
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I refresh that.
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I often do that with pizza, especially the pizza I make,
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Speaker 1 (47:58):
Thanks for noticing a couple of minutes here and we're
going to have to hit the brake. But your quick
reaction to the Admiral's thoughts TJ. Look, I think he's
spot on in that we haven't declared war. One of
the questions I wanted to ask him, we didn't have
time to get to what role does Congress play in this?
Does this become legal if we have declared war. I
also think the point about we have to be the
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good guys. We have to model what we want. And
a boat's been destroyed, guys are floating in the water,
do the right thing and rescue them. I just think
that's the American way and the thing we ought to do,
rather than swinging back around again and strafening them or
whatever they did. And maybe they have intelligence. Did we
forego intelligence gathering by not picking the guys up and
(48:38):
seeing what they know? I don't know, but that's my
thirty thousand foot overview on it. So a couple of thoughts,
and I think I agree with you on most of that.
It's the second strike that I think makes you kind
of itch a little bit. You've destroyed the boat. Why
are you shooting again? I guess you could make an argument, well,
you shot a miss wat at the first time. You
were just cleaning up what you were trying to do
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the first time around. It's not unreasonable to question the
legality of it. What's Congress's role? Does the president have
this authority? I think those are all reasonable questions and
questions that should be asked. I'm just not going to
shed a lot of tears for drug smugglers and narco
terrorists who are pumping this poison into the country taking
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a stand. I'm all for it. I want to do
it and make sure it is done in a legal
manner that we are following rules of engagement, that the
United States is the standard and doesn't lower itself to
these third world countries that pull this kind of crap.
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Throwing this admiral under the bus. And look, my personal opinion,
that's what they did yesterday. Victory has a thousand fathers defeat,
has none something like that. Stand up and take the heat.
Don't throw this admiral under the bus. That was just
following your orders. I thought that was distasteful personally. We'll
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that claimed the life of one West Virginia National Guard
member and critically injured another. We'll do that six minutes
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Speaker 3 (53:55):
Sinister TJ, I'm honesty. You thought about your point, STRATEJ
know that that. No, I can't prove it. I don't know.
All right, we'll see if she shows tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is that your alter ego, Sinister TJA.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
No, My alter ego is MJ. Tato's. You don't want
to meet him.
Speaker 33 (54:15):
All right, Let's get out of here, and I never
will forget this. We went down there, and I've been around.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
TV stations, and of course title was already in radio
at that point by you know, two or three years.
Speaker 33 (54:24):
But we went and watched them do the six o'clock
News Live, and anchor person was a guy named Nick Miller,
and I don't think he lasted in the market very long,
very talented guy. I just he just went on somewhere
else and we're standing there.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
You know, watching them.
Speaker 33 (54:37):
Do you know the news and sports and weather and everything,
And he says, you know, that's our broadcast.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
We'll see you to night at eleven.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
CBS News is next.
Speaker 33 (54:44):
Good night everyone, And then you know, you hear the
director in the camera all right, we're clear, and he
gets up, but he walks away from the desk and
he's got a sport coat on and a jacket on,
but he's wearing shorts as he walked away from the
and I just remember, thank you then my entire because
I was always.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
Been a news geek. I was always watching TVNS.
Speaker 33 (55:01):
When I was like six or something, I was like,
it's all been.
Speaker 34 (55:03):
A line a few shows ago. Yeah, so one sip,
where is Hoppy's music?
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yet?
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Well, you don't have to do that it's okay.
Speaker 34 (55:13):
Oh no, I'm doing it because it's not it's not
the same song. Oh really a song someone submitted this song?
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Oh I hadn't heard that.
Speaker 11 (55:22):
We got a hopy song.
Speaker 34 (55:23):
Can you hear it without headphones?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I can't?
Speaker 15 (55:25):
Okay, that's right. I was just go ahead, play charts. Wonderful.
Speaker 34 (55:28):
This is our This is the opening to Hoppy's obvious observations.
He's hearing it, Brat's hearing it for the first time.
Let's do I haven't heard it. Yeah, that's what I said.
Oh okay, he's hearing it, and Brad's hearing it for
the first time. Always you're hearing it, and sid what.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (55:43):
He's got thoughts that sound brand new, but the things
we already knew. You got his bomb ready Heaven knows,
and make it quick before.
Speaker 34 (56:06):
I'll be taken away with your obvious observation.
Speaker 27 (56:08):
Oh, Ryan, we talked about this without you on the
air yesterday, that you supposedly had the inside tracked all
the good candy for maybe just stash some of the
stuff for us.
Speaker 21 (56:19):
Only after tricker beating right right, Ryan finds where it
is after like.
Speaker 35 (56:23):
Yeah, I don't mess with the candy supply. But in
that brief period where there's candy in the building between
trick or Beat and the Christmas parade, I try to
keep tabs on where it is.
Speaker 27 (56:34):
So have you located this?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
No? Give him Tom, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (56:37):
Give me.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
It's it's like a treasure hunt every year.
Speaker 35 (56:40):
I most of the time it's in the room off
to the side of the front desk, but sometimes it's
been in like supply closets up in the second recording
studio near the metrons.
Speaker 13 (56:51):
Sometimes like in the back of the toilet, you know,
in the reservoir.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
He's found them everywhere.
Speaker 27 (56:55):
So when you find this, when you find this candy,
you'll remember your old pal Dave and your immediate supervisor
Coop Coop.
Speaker 33 (57:03):
Yes, yeah, Huntington.
Speaker 7 (57:07):
Do you know who they play Savera County, Tennessee. They've
already played one of the best teams in Tennessee in
the opener that Cider only lost so far.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
This is also one.
Speaker 7 (57:18):
Of the best teams in the state of Tennessee. So
I don't know what they're going for a CFPI playoff, Spider,
what they're trying to do down there in Huntington, But Uddington.
They're challenging the heck out of themselves.
Speaker 14 (57:28):
Does it ever feel like twenty four years?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Do you ever sit back and think it feels like
Sometimes I can't believe it's been.
Speaker 32 (57:35):
Twenty four years, and I just think it feels like
it's been a lot.
Speaker 36 (57:39):
And then those other times I think, yes, it's only
been twenty four years.
Speaker 32 (57:42):
Yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 21 (57:44):
I cannot. I would love to go back, and I
don't think I have the I know I don't have
any doing it back in here, no show I would.
Speaker 36 (57:52):
I would love to go back and hear show number
one of year number one. We had different producers, we
weren't on video. A lot of things have changed over
twenty four years. But yeah, sometimes I think I'd like
to go back and say, you guys never got any
better at all.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
You know, as he approaches the team and blastwana low
line drive, it's going to be Tyler on the return
now and Tyler.
Speaker 9 (58:16):
Up the middle trying to break a tackle, gets outside.
Speaker 14 (58:19):
Look out, I'd have a big play Tyler down the sideline.
Speaker 32 (58:23):
Hey, well start touched up black Dancer right back.
Speaker 7 (58:33):
You know.
Speaker 37 (58:33):
I drove home one night he was around eleven thirty
on a Sunday night, and I said, you know what,
I've been doing this and I'm tired of doing and
I I felt the program was slipping. I just failed. Hey,
you know what, it's time for a younger guy. People said,
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did I miss football?
Speaker 3 (58:57):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (58:59):
Busy and I didn't miss it. No, I miss Saturday.
Speaker 37 (59:04):
I'd go to the game where you know, I'd just
sit up there and kind of wish I was going.
Speaker 4 (59:09):
To do this or that. But I didn't miss all
day Sunday.
Speaker 37 (59:13):
I didn't miss all day Monday and all that preparation.
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Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Second hour of Metro News talk Line. Hope you are
having a an okaday. Hope you are staying safe out
there this morning. A lot of snow in the Morgantown
Montague County area. Mike Nolton reporting, if you are in
the Morgantown area, conditions are improving as the morning is
going on. Still a bit of a mess. If you
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go east on I sixty eight toward Preston County and
the Maryland state Line. Also just got a report that
beach Hurst Avenue in Morgantown, as you go Beachurst Hill
out toward Hope Coliseum, there are about a half dozen
cars that are disabled or stuck and that is impassable
at the moment. Eight hundred and seven to six five.
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Talk is the phone number. Three oh four Talk three
four is the text line. Gang all here, David, Morgantown.
TJ is in Charleston, Ethan Collins as our producer this morning. Also,
I want to give a big shout out to Tearin Malone.
He helped us out with a makeshift camera set up
here in my former studios in the Career Building and
also gave me a ride and work after a little
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little mishap this morning with some ice and my truck.
So with all that, say good morning to you, and
saying good morning once again to TJ.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Meadows, Good morning. I wonder if people have.
Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Taken whatever measures they do with their vehicle, Like if
you use snow tires, do you already have them on?
If you added weight to the vehicle, if you've got
like re real drive or something, or did this one
speak up on folks?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I think it's not up on, folks. It's still we
just just got past Thanksgiving. It's a little early. Yeah,
I think it's a little early for this especially. I'm
telling you, I follow the weather very closely with my
morning commute.
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Do I need to leave a little bit early? You know?
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Do I need to pack an overnight bag? And I
want we stalk at the radio station, you know, covering
a weather event. Nobody was predicting. My apologies to our
meteorologists from the first hour TJ. They weren't calling for this.
This hit a little bit harder than they were expecting,
at least here in the Morgantown area.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Mm hmm. Yeah. And I think you're right.
Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
I think people because I feel like, mentally it's after
Christmas thing winter, you're really into the weather like January on.
So it wouldn't surprise me if folks haven't gotten the
snow tires. I used to always put weight in the back.
I used to have this little two seater back in
the day when I was cool, you know, and put
weight in the back of it. Take the golf clubs out,
put weight in the back of it or something and
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do whatever. But yeah, I think a lot of people probably,
But didn't you say Mike's reporting seventy incidents. I think
it was in the Morgantown area of seventy's.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, assists of you know, cars that just slid off
the road had pulled out in forty actual accidents, I
think is what he said this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
So, yeah, good day to be a tow truck driver
or back.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Well, I guess you're gonna make a couple bucks today,
that's for sure. We'll continue to follow the weather situation.
Let us know how it is where you are. I
will get to the text line. I promise you it
is a busy text line this morning. We continue to
follow the tragic shooting of two West Virginia National Guard
members from Washington in Washington, d c. Over the Thanksgiving holiday.
Of course, specialist Sarah Bextrom passed away from her injuries,
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and Andrew Wolfe, the other guardsman who was wounded. He
is still in critical condition. There have been a lot
of different takes, especially on the national stage, about the shooter,
about US immigration policy, Afghan refugees. The right has its opinions,
the left has its opinions. Both are really using this
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incident to try to push their particular points of view.
Isaac Saul is the founder of Tangled News, an award
winning media organization that covers political stories, summarizing arguments from
the left the rights, and then giving their take. And
Isaac offered his take on this situation involving the shooter,
Afghan refugees, US immigration policy, all the above, and he
(01:04:04):
joins us all mentioned News talk line this morning. Isaac,
Good morning, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 38 (01:04:09):
Thanks for having me, guys, glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
So let's kind of get the baseline right and left.
What is each side saying with regards specifically to the shooter,
Afghan refugees, and US immigration policy.
Speaker 38 (01:04:24):
Yeah, I mean, I think the demo contours of how
the arguments have come out look a little bit like this.
On the right, it is that this is the risk
basically of taking in a huge number of Afghan refugees.
I mean, since the fall of Kabo and twenty twenty one,
one hundred and ninety thousand Afghan refugees came to the
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United States in programs largely created by the Biden administration.
And when you have a mass migration like that, you
risk bringing people in, even with really good vetting, who
might be a risk to the public. So a lot
of people on the right I think are genuinely supportive
of Trump's plan to kind of crack down on some
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of these programs to port people who have not had
their vetting completed or the immigration process completed, and even
take another look at some folks who have been approved
for things like green cards under a more enhanced vetting process.
Now the assist there is that there are plenty of
voices on the right, including you know, Wall Shoot Journal
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editorial board sites, who are saying, look, we have a
responsibility to many of these Afghans who helped us during
the war against al Kada in Iraq, in Afghanistan. They
helped us, they aided us, they worked as translated as
they were informants, they risked their lives for US soldiers,
and so we need to do right by them. And
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there is kind of the sector of the right I
would say that is making that case, but predominantly it's
about reducing immigration and reducing the risk through clamping down
on immigration. On the left, a lot of arguments are
that this was the predictable outcome of Trump's decision to
put National Guard troops in the streets in Washington DC
and other major cities, And you know, I think that
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argument is buttressed by the fact that there were some
commanders who warned that if National Guard troops patrol of
the streets, they are going to be targets for you know,
quote unquote grievance base violence. And now we have somebody.
The motive is still a bit unknown, but I think
it would be unsurprising if it turns out that this
was kind of a grievance type act of violence against
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the National Guard member. And you know, they're focused on
the fact that this is something Trump provoked or you know,
helped open the door to by putting National Guard troops
on the streets in DC, which was obviously a very
controversial move.
Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
So Isaac, I don't know on the left side, I
don't know if Trump provoked it. But one of the
things I've been trying to learn more about, and frankly
it hasn't been very easy, is to understand what condition
our troops were performed at in terms of were we
taking every preventative measure, especially in light of that reporting
and that memo we saw that highlighted a threat condition.
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You know, Okay, we were armed, but at what condition?
Were The weapons in some conditions are easy to fire
the weapons some are very hard.
Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
You have to do many things to the weapon. Do
we have body armor?
Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
To me, that's a very important question because we can't
do anything about what happened. But if this happens again
and we don't learn from it and we don't take
proactive measures, to me, that's the greater the greater driver
right now to make sure the how many of our
guardsmen two thousand odds some guardsmen the one hundred and
sixty still there from West Virginia are protected? Moving forward?
(01:07:39):
Are the writer left saying anything about that. I don't
hear people talking about how we prevent it in the
short term again?
Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Moving forward?
Speaker 38 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I mean, and to be clear, I agree with
you too. I think the argument that Trump's responsible for
this is a little bit absurd. I mean, I think
it's fair to criticize the troop deployments in DC and
wonder how you know effective or responsible they are. I
think that's an argument we should have a debate. We
should have. But the person responsible for this is the
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shooter who decided to kill, you know, a National guardsman
and moved another person when they did nothing wrong. Obviously.
So to answer the first part of your question, you know,
when the National guardships were first deployed, they were not armed.
They were kind of in this status where they were
permitted to have weapons in their vehicles, but not to
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hold them. And it was supposed to be sort of
this show of solidarity on the presence in the capital
that was going to reduce crime just by having them
sort of walk around the streets and their army fatigues
and be there and and sort of like bring some order.
They were quickly promoted to what's called the Green status,
which is allowing them to carry unloaded weapons and ammunition.
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And now there's speculation about whether they will move to
Amber status, which is ammunition loaded but not in the
firing chamber of their weapons, or Red status, which is
them carrying around loaded weapons that are ready to be
fired at a moment's notice. You know, Trump has said
he's going to deploy another five hundred National Guard troops
to Washington, DC in response to this. I think the
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less argument has mostly been let's pull the troops off
the streets. I mean, their answer is if we take
the National Guard troops off the streets and we let
the Capitol Police and the Washington DC Police handle crime
and handle the things that are happening in the nation's capital.
The National Guard troops who are not trained for this
kind of thing will be you know, removed from a
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threat on the right. To your point, I don't see
a lot of people talking about how the Guard troops
should be, you know, I guess to say, I don't
see a lot of people talking about how we should
handle protecting the Guard troops coming forward. I think most
of the focus has been on the debate around the
immigration side of this and Afghan nationals. So I think
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it's a fair thing raise, which is we can do
things for the National Guard troops to ensure that they're
a little bit safer. And maybe that is you know,
putting them into sort of amber status where they're more
ready to respond to a threat like this. Maybe it's
just putting them in positions where they're behind barricades or
they're in positions in the city that are less vulnerable
(01:10:20):
to kind of ambush style attack. I mean, we saw
something that just happened with an ice facility in Texas
as well. I mean, these events, unfortunately, are popping up
more and more so. I think it's a really important
conversation to have. I don't see a lot of people
on the right making arguments about how to better protect
the troops right now.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Isaac Saul joining US, founder of Tangled News and war
winning media organization covering perspectives from the right, left, and
right down the center. Isaac, when it comes to these
type of really high profile tragic events, whether it's it's
this one involving the two West Virginia National Guard members
or Charlie Kirk's assassination, you point this out in your
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article this week. We want a simple explanation. And TJ
and I were talking about this a little bit yesterday.
We want to we want to know the why, and
we want it to be very simple. Well, it's because
this person was radicalized. Well, it was because this person
was provoked by actions by the administration. It was because
of this, And often cases it's not that simple. It's
(01:11:22):
very nuanced, and that seems to be at least the
case is we learn more about this shooter, and look,
I'm not making excuses for him, but he did seek asylum,
was granted, asylum was led in the country by the
Biden administration. The asylum approved by the Trump administration and
something happened in between, and amongst all of that, it's
much more nuanced than just all the refugees are bad
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or the president have provoked this attack. It's much more nuanced.
Speaker 38 (01:11:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's his case. To me, I think
is a really great example of how your pet issue,
whatever it is, whether it's immigration, or it's done control
or you know, it's military TWTSB. I mean, it's never
one of these single things. I think oftentimes these events
happen at kind of the the intersection of a lot
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of different issues. And yeah, you're right, Like this guy
came into the country. I mean, according to Christy Nellum,
you know, he was radicalized after being here, Which is
an interesting point she made because on the one hand,
it sort of absolves the Biden administration of negligence. If
he wasn't radical when he came in, then you can
make the arguments that they were right to allow him
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into the country after the wedding process. On the other hand,
it sort of points to some of the rights argument,
which is even when we let people in who aren't
threats at the time they come here, there's still risk
because they can be radicalized after the fact, and you know,
I think what stuck out to me about this story,
and the thing to me that seems like a common
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trend in a lot of the sort of mass shootings
or acts of by islands that we've seen in our
country that are really public, is that this guy was
struggling financially. He was without a job, he was spending
a lot of time in isolation on the internet. There
were people around him. You know, we have these emails
now from these local boss and faith leaders who were
(01:13:18):
raising red flags saying we're worried about him. You know,
he doesn't seem totally right. He seems upset, despondent, isolated,
these kinds of things, and then eventually that person acts
out in a manner like this. And I think that's
something that is a pattern, that's something that is pretty consistent,
is that there are often signs. It's often men in
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their twenties or thirties. It's often people who have a
you know, some kind of PTSD or some whether it's
military PTSD or you know, they experienced violence previously. I mean,
these sorts of things have come up again and again
in these kinds of shootings, and so, you know, the
there haven't been many mass shootings or acts of violence
like this involving Afghan That actually, I mean, I would
(01:14:01):
say that's one of the things that makes this case unique.
I think the typical thing are those other parts of
his story that, yeah, there are a lot of issues
sort of bubbling up at once, which makes it a
hard thing to solve in.
Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
What you do taking a look at the right, taking
a look at the left, and in the center, why
do you suppose, not just in this story, but in
the mass of your experience. It seems to me that
what we often call here on this show the sensible center,
is getting squeezed and they are becoming less and less vocal.
(01:14:38):
And I don't know if that's opposition, if that's pressure
from the other sides, so they want to disengage from
the conversation. But David and I were talking at about
this the other day that look, I think a temporary
pause on immigration and visa extension makes sense, just to
identify are there any gaps, ask some process questions, and
(01:14:59):
try to better the process and then kick it back
into gear. But it seems like centrists are getting more
and more drown out of the conversation. And I don't
know if that's of their own accord in opting out
or they're being pressured out, but it would seem a
good time for folks that have more moderate views to
want to interject themselves into the conversation and doing what
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you do. I would be very curious to understand what
your thoughts are on that and how you see the
role of moderates in the country today moving forward in
public discourse.
Speaker 38 (01:15:31):
Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I'll add to you.
I mean, I think the asylum pause or a pause
on some of the integration stuff is also smart because
we have a backlog of millions of people and millions
of cases that need to be resolved, which will help
us better handle the knee cases that are popping up.
So there is some I think a pretty strong case
there for that. You know, it's really interesting. I mean,
(01:15:52):
one of the things that's really tough is I think
it's easy to be a partisan on the far left
and far right and make emotional appeals to people and
make issues that are complicated black and white, you know,
and when you're a centrist, or when you have moderate politics,
or when you're somewhere in the middle, politically, and you know,
(01:16:13):
you agree with Republicans on some things and you agree
with Democrats on other things. It's hard to make your
point in quickly tweets or sixty second TikTok videos because
you have to inject some nuance and you have to
say things are a little bit complicated and it's not
quite as simple. And on the one hand, this and
on the other hand that, And the truth is, I
(01:16:34):
think a lot of Americans just don't today have the
attention stand or the interest in that. Like you said,
they you know, they want a simple explanation for these
kinds of things. And when a simple explanation is offered,
it's really easy to grapple on to that. And I
think the people who are the moderates, the people who
are that sensible center, they have a much much harder
(01:16:54):
task because they have to appeal to the better nature
of people, the less emotional nature people, and they have
to be able to do it in a way that's
interesting while also offering real solutions that are maybe not
so simple to implement or not so simple to explain.
And you know, unfortunately, on a lot of the most
devices topics in our country, and immigration is a great example.
(01:17:16):
The solution isn't simple. It's not as simple as banning
people from a certain country, you know. I mean, I think, good,
this is a great example. You can say, all right,
well let's just stop accepting refugees from Afghanistan. Well, what's
that going to do to the refugees from Afghanistan? You're
already here. I mean, you want to talk about something
that could radicalize somebody. What about sacrificing your family and
(01:17:40):
your life in a war in Afghanistan for the belief
in America. You know, you do that for American soldiers
and then you come here and then you're kicked out
of the country or families supported. I mean, that's the
kind of thing that could radicalize someone. So there's risk
to that team, you know. But it's an easy solution
that's easy to grapp belong to. And so I think
we have a tough job people who are the moderates,
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people who are the sensible center, because we have to
make our arguments in interesting and concise ways in a
sea of information where people are reducing complicated issues to
thirty second sound bites and tweets. And that's a tough job.
But you know, we have to do it because I
think on the left and the right we're sort of
barreling towards more and more extremism, and we need to
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convince people that there's this big middle band of Americans
who have good ideas and interesting ideas and are right
about a lot of issues, and we just have to
compromise a little bit and meet there. And it's not
an easy thing to sell to the public, but it's necessary.
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Let me get a couple of texts in here quickly
three or four talk three or four. So typical the
left to make the shooter the victim. So Trump and
company are making a case for war on Venezuela because
of drug trafficking and committing war crimes because of drug trafficking.
Yet Trump just pardoned former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez,
(01:22:43):
convicted in the US for drug trafficking. Does it make
sense to either of you.
Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
The explanation on that yesterday from the White House, They
made it sound like it's an apples and oranges comparison. Frankly,
that the president of Honduras was thrown under the bus
when he wasn't responsible, and any Hondurans have come to
the President asking him to pardon that individual.
Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
That's what I know.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Do you know where he was released from?
Speaker 7 (01:23:07):
By what?
Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Hazelton?
Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Hazelton? He was here?
Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Really, according to Mike Nolton this morning. Who informed me
of that, Yes, Hazelton, he was in Preston County.
Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Of all places, we.
Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Get a lot of people out there that are quite
nefarious or infamous. I think we've had a few. Wasn't
Whitey Balder out? He was out there right, Yeah, for
about two days. Did not end well for foot out
of mouth.
Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Coming up, Brad McElhenny is going to join us. He
was following a Supreme Court case that not a lot
of us were involving a mixed race toddler and an
Amish couple and what makes the family. We'll talk about
that coming up next. This is talk Line on Metro
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million illegals the Biden administration knowingly brought in and let
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illegal aliens, criminals, rapist, murders, and yes, terrorist, how about
we just put a complete and total stop to any
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Morality has nothing to do with war. Texter wants to no, Dave,
how much damage to the truck?
Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Enough?
Speaker 39 (01:29:14):
Enough?
Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Enough?
Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, it's not it's more than it's not getting buffed out, TJ.
Let me put it that way. It ain't getting buffed out.
Maybe time to look at that corvette you've always done it. Well,
it's always time to look at one of those. Now
is probably not the time to bring up that suggestion
to the wife though, TJ. Well, I'm the one that
brought it up, so I'll say, you know, TJ said
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what we should do.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Oh, I've been informed. I thought Brad was calling in.
I've been informed he's in this. I can't see you
this morning, TJ. Usually I've got all the cameras and
I can see what's going on in the studio. I've
been informed he's sitting there with you.
Speaker 13 (01:29:50):
This.
Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
He is Brad mcleha in person with me here morning, Brad.
Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Oh, Hi, guys, Yes, I'm admiring QJ. Sorry about that, Brad.
Usually I've got a whole monitor with a of cameras.
It's kind of creepy actually, where I can see everything
that happens in the Charleston studio. Today's not that day, though,
And I had no idea you were sitting there. I
apologize I should have piped up. Let me give the
full introduction. Brad macklheny has mentioned new Statewide correspondent. He
(01:30:15):
had a story over at wv metronews dot com. It's
still there. Mixed race, Toddler, an Amish couple. What makes
a family in the State Supreme Court, you have my attention, Brad.
I read from the story in a case decided earlier
this month, Justices of West Virginia Supreme Court determined that
under law, the main ingredients for a family are love
(01:30:37):
and supports. Okay, so why was the state Supreme Court
weighing in on what makes a family?
Speaker 43 (01:30:45):
Mm hmm, Well, you know this is not necessarily high
profile news, but the case came down and I picked
up on it during a holiday period where people are
thinking along the lines of I'm gathering with my family
and what does that mean? And this case was spinning
a lot of factors, and they were interesting factors.
Speaker 38 (01:31:07):
This was.
Speaker 43 (01:31:09):
Originally a baby who was unfortunately removed from his mother
and his father. His his three older sisters already had
been and they were they were taken in by an
Amish couple in Summers County. The three older sisters had
already been adopted. After they were taken into the home,
(01:31:33):
the little boy was born. So that's why in part
he was his own.
Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
The sisters were in the Amish household and has been adopted.
Speaker 43 (01:31:40):
They already had and and the little boy was adopted.
Was was was born thereafter, and that's why he was
the singular focus of this case. The Amish couple right
after he was born took him in also, but there
were there were questions about about the circumstances. One was
(01:32:05):
and and considering we are we are all male people
discussing this, it's this is a little bit awkward. But
one of them the original points of contention was that
the mother, the Amish mother who who wanted to take
in the boy, was inducing lactation and intending to breastfeed.
That was a no, no, not not supposed to cross
(01:32:27):
that line. And when the case went to circuit court,
through the recommendation of a review by the garden guardian
had item that's a that's a legal figure intended to
watch out for kids in foster care. When when the
guardian adem originally said, hey, you need to look at
these circumstances. Uh, that was that was the one that
(01:32:47):
originally kicked off the case. The mother complied that the judge,
it was Judge Selango of Knawk County, uh said all right,
let's cut that out.
Speaker 19 (01:32:56):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:32:56):
The mother complied. So then that aspect of the case
became a non factor. But there were other continuing questions
that first went before Judge Selango and then before the
five Justices of the Supreme Court, mostly having to do
with culture. This was a mixed race child who is
(01:33:19):
now a toddler now around two years old. On balance,
the Amish couple presented a loving home. The sisters were
already in the home, so you know, blood relatives who
were already already there. But three questions. One was in
this Amish culture, according to the court filings, children only
(01:33:44):
go to school up until the eighth grade, and then
they seek maybe a vocational education, vocational training. That's you know,
that's not the norm. Typically in West Virginia and other states.
You'd you'd become a senior in high school and then
after that it would be you know, do you pursue
a college degree whatever? In this case, only to the
eighth grade. And the legal question was does that educational
(01:34:09):
level comply with West Virginia's guarantee to a thorough and
efficient education, the constitutional guarantee. The second question was medical
care and vaccination.
Speaker 22 (01:34:20):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:21):
This community typically, according to the court filings, does not
believe in the standard vaccinations that that people get, particularly
for school.
Speaker 38 (01:34:30):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:31):
There was also a question not only of medical practices,
but the availability of medical care.
Speaker 38 (01:34:38):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:34:39):
The family's the Amish couple said that they had they
had provided the vaccinations that are necessary for this child
and that they would make sure medical care is available
even if they had to travel.
Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:34:52):
And then the third question was you know, purely a
cultural mix. This was a mixed race child and an
Amish and very traditional couple in a even even in
a very white state, this was a very white community.
Speaker 9 (01:35:08):
Uh.
Speaker 43 (01:35:09):
There were there were some details here that that that
also came up in court. When you pursue taking a
foster child into your home, you fill out forms, and
one of the forms apparently has a question about what
what demographic background are you most interested in? And this
(01:35:32):
couple apparently marked a box saying we are most interested
in a white child, And and that came up as
a question of well, you know, is this child over
time going to truly fit in not only with the family,
but with the community the couple as it turns out,
as I understand it, also though had had checked a
second box saying, but we are willing to to, you know,
(01:35:55):
consider other backgrounds. And you know, I filled out a
zillion forms, and sometimes I don't know what the questions
even mean, so I didn't make a big deal of
that in the story. But as I explained to the listeners,
why was it a question of whether you know, the
Amish couple could provide a culturally comfortable fit for a
(01:36:15):
mixed race child. That was an aspect of the testimony.
Speaker 7 (01:36:19):
UH.
Speaker 43 (01:36:20):
In the end, both Judge Selango and the five Justices
unanimously of the Supreme Court, you know, not only weighed
their hearts. When I talk about what's a family, I
don't want to make it sound like they ruled on
sentiment alone, but they all judged that the law and
the standards for foster care in West Virginia UH call for,
(01:36:42):
above all, a loving and.
Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Support of home.
Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
So Silango said this was okay. It was that her ruling,
and then someone challenged it again and that's why it
went to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 43 (01:36:52):
It really was the guardian ad litem in the case
who had had raised initially the breastfeeding issue, but also
the three the level of education, the access to medical
care and vaccination, and then the cultural fit. State officials
the Department of Human Services were on the side of
(01:37:13):
the family saying, you know, we have trouble finding.
Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
I was going to say, what are you home to
the first place, what's the alternative?
Speaker 43 (01:37:19):
And that you know, by all accounts, this had been
a loving and supportive home, and the state was on
the side of allowing the Amish couple to keep not
only the little boy, but I don't think there was
any question of keeping the three elder sisters, but keeping
the family intact.
Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Mentioned New state Wide correspondent Brad Backaheady joining me, joining us, Brad,
it jumped out to me. First of all, it was
a great read, a great job deciphering. Legally, that's always challenging.
But we are a state where we talk about the
foster care crisis. We need more foster families, we need
more people who are willing to open their homes, and
(01:37:57):
we talk about the chilling effect. And I just wonder
if if for people, people who are interested, if these
sorts of things, this sort of scrutiny where somebody may
come and go, wow, but but are you really the
is your culture or your upbring really the right fit
to adopt a child or to foster a child. I
wonder if there's a chilling effect there. And that's just
(01:38:18):
that's just where my mind wandered as I read through
the details of this story.
Speaker 43 (01:38:23):
Yeah, you know, I think that's right. There are, unfortunately,
you know, seven thousand kids in foster care in West
Virginia who who've been removed from their home. Many of
them wind up living with grandparents, and that is probably
an optimal situation. I did wonder, I mean, this presents
(01:38:45):
an unusual situation where you know, there are there are
particulars of the Amish community that that were being questioned about,
well is it is it?
Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Is this the right fit?
Speaker 43 (01:38:56):
But I did wonder, like if you if you change
the story ever so slightly and you had a family
that believes in living under Sharia law, would that change
people's perception of what is appropriate? I mean, I don't
know that's a pure theoretical but if the situation were
changed just a little bit, would people, you know, also
(01:39:19):
wonder is this right?
Speaker 11 (01:39:21):
Well?
Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
I mean, there are elements of Sharia law that clearly
run contrary to American law discrimination of women, you know,
So I get what you're saying. I think that's wholly different.
And I'm not blaming the athlete. I mean, look, that
person has a job to do. They should raise concerns.
Sounds like they did. Sounds like the judges made the
(01:39:42):
right call. To me, I really like what Justice Haley
Bunn said here in her concurring quote. The Circuit Court
found that MB should remain in his foster placement, which
provides him with a quote stable, loving home, reunited with
his siblings, and where all parties agree he is content,
healthy and loved. To your point, we have many children
(01:40:03):
in this state who are not content, healthy and loved.
Right call Judge se Lingo, Right call Supreme Court.
Speaker 43 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I you know, I think the quote that you
mentioned I concluded with it because I also thought it
enveloped a lot of good points. And again, I don't
want people to think that that the justices decided only
with their hearts. They decided based on law, legal precedent,
the foster Care Bill of Rights. But what Judge Justice
(01:40:32):
Bunn had to say, also with some brevity, encompassed those
those values, the caring home and the love and the
support the other aspects of the case. You know, if
presumably as a child ages, they they can make their
own call on things. If if if this child is
(01:40:53):
older and wants to pursue more education. Once the child
enters into adulthood, you know, I think at that point
you get to make your own decisions.
Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Mention News Statewide correspondent Brad McIlhenny. You can read the story.
It's still posted for you over at wvmetronews dot com.
Before you go, Brad, we did just get an update
from Senate President Randy Smith while you were explaining the story.
Senator Senate President Randy Smith is named Senator Tom Willis
as Chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary for the
(01:41:26):
upcoming legislative session.
Speaker 43 (01:41:29):
Don't know what you want to do with that information,
but there will be an adventure. Senator Willis is also
going to be on ballots running for the US Senate,
so he will be working hard on the Judiciary Committee
and also trying to run a statewide campaign for federal office.
Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
He did previously serve as the vice chair of the
Judiciary Committee as well, so he will be Judiciary Committee chairman.
Because you know, Brad, I know your favorite time of
year is not far away. The legislatives. What about six weeks?
Are we inside six weeks?
Speaker 43 (01:42:03):
I will I will get to see you in person
if you can figure out a way to get there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
I may be bunking with you, Brad. They may just
drop me off and leave me there.
Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
We will.
Speaker 43 (01:42:13):
We will use whatever transportation we can find, whether it
is jet ski or a we'll go down the mountain.
Somehow you could do that.
Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
You could jet ski across the river and just based
on your yeah, yeah, you should try that. I would
love to see that person. I would even I would
even take the responsibility of procuring the jet ski if
you'll do that.
Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It might be the winter on the canal, it might
be cold.
Speaker 43 (01:42:38):
January February March.
Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Jake the video producer would love it. We can make
that happen. Added to the list of things we need
to do this session. Added to our list of bills.
We need to introduce dj Okay Brad good reporting as always,
great story. Appreciate a buddy. Hey, thanks, coming up, we'll
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This kind of goes back to.
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A central theme that at least I keep coming back to.
There's nothing wrong with asking the questions. And for some
reason in our not just in our politics, but in
a lot of our culture today, asking questions gets misinterpreted
as advocating for something just because you asked the question.
In this case with the child is it the right fit?
(01:47:30):
Are is the child going to be taken care of,
receive medical attention, receive a proper education. There's nothing wrong
with asking the questions, just like there's nothing wrong with
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with that and getting answers to those questions. That's not
necessarily advocating or trying to push an agenda by asking
for information.
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It's trying to understand, it's trying to identify problems. It's
spurring conversation to get at the heart of the issue.
And I'm actually writing about this for tomorrow. I am
very concerned, more so after what happened last week about
the condition of Americans and many people on the far
fringe left and right pushing back on those of us
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who want to ask questions, and frankly, our leaders pushing
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It's not I'm sorry, let me see, I mean try.
We got a bunch of text here that I'm not
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three four, Texter says, they don't care if one zombie dies,
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I don't either. Yeah, I'm not sure. Sorry, I can't respond.
Don't know what you're talking about. Drug dealers are trying
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liberal rear admiral has taken it too many times. Yep,
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three or four. If you can, if you can fog
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virtue of that, Dave? I mean, what is this man
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