December 4, 2025 • 94 mins
Dave & TJ have more questions about asking questions. Ashley Horst with the Stubblefield Institute weighs in. WV AG JB McCuskey discusses the National Guard deployment to DC. Kanawha County Delegate JB Akers thinks changes are needed for the high school athlete transfer rule. Plus, a preview of the High School Football Championships.
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Good morning, Welcome into the program. Metro News talk Line
emanating from the Encova Insurance studios. Dave Wilson in the
Morgantown bureau. TJ. Meadows is in Charleston. Gang's all here
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is at master control for the Metro News TV app. Yes, JB. Square, JB. Mccusky,
State Attorney General, will join us in a couple of minutes.
JB Acres, the delegate from Kanawa County. At the bottom
of the hour second hour, Ashley Horst from the Stubblefield
Institute will join us. We'll pick up the conversation about
the art of asking the question, and a little bit
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later on Joe Bercado stops by, we'll preview the high
school football championships coming up tomorrow and Saturday from the
Capital City over at Laidley Field. All that. Good morning, TJ.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Meadows, Good morning sir. How are we this morning doing well?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
We got TJ, JB, JB. Anybody else we can get.
We should get both brads on to round out the
second hours.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
What's about Tom had a bunch of guys with initials
on this program, and not just a bunch of daves
running around this network. So I'm personally glad that this
has happened.
Speaker 8 (02:30):
This Yeah, we don't need any more brads. They don't
even have initials.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We've got two brads about a half dozen days on
this network. We got it all covered. The voice you
hear is coming from the Charleston Studios this morning. He
is the Attorney General for the great State of West Virginia. JB. McCuskey, JB.
Good morning, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (02:48):
Good morning, Merry Christmas to everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm Merry Christmas to you as well. This week, your
office join counterparts across the country and appeals court filing
to support the continued presence of National Guard members in Washington,
d C. The Friend of the Court brief representing West
Virginian two dozen attorneys general across the country was filed
on Tuesday in US District Court of Appeals in the
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District of Columbia Circuits. So let's start here, JB. Why continue?
Why do you continue to support National Guard troops from
West Virginia to be deployed in Washington, d C.
Speaker 8 (03:23):
Yeah, So that is not a truly an accurate assessment
of what our brief does. Our brief lays out facts
about what is happening in DC, about the explosion of
crime in DC, and is importantly, our brief makes the
argument that the governor and the President have the authority
to dispatch the National Guard into the District of Columbia
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we have right here in Kanaw County. Judge Richard Lindsay
has agreed with this assessment, dismissing the acl used lawsuit
which claims which claimed to say that there was no
authority to do that. Our office's job is to defend
our state laws and to defend our governor's actions when
they are constitutional and legal, and in this instance, they
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are so clearly constitutional and legal that our circuit courts
have thrown out challenges to their to the deployments into
the District of Columbia. There are there are no really
good arguments that National Guard troops cannot be sent into
the nation's capital. The President and our governor have the
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authority to do that, and our brief lays out the
facts of why they did that, which are all true,
and then comes to the conclusion that this district court
has overstepped its bounds and that this that this injunction
should be stayed pending appeal because of how likely it
is that the President and Governor Morrisey are going to
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win on the merits of the challenge.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
I love merits. Let's let's talk about Let's talk about
and get into that brief. Start with the constitutional arguments
of why say DC is different versus Chicago versus New York.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Yeah, the District of Columbia is the seat of our
federal government, and every American has to feel comfortable and
safe coming to d C. In order to do the
business of the government. Every citizen needs to have access
to their congress people, to their Senators, to the Supreme Court,
to the White House, to every single one of the
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bureaucratic offices that is in Washington, d C. If Americans
don't feel safe going to that city, there is a
fundamental problem with our representative democracy.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Right.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
And so there's people that disagree with whether or not
they should have been sent there, right, that is a
reasonable disagreement. It's one that I disagree with, but that
is reasonable. But there is no real legal basis to
say that the governor and the President do not have
the authority to dispatch the National Guard to our nation's
capital to ensure that every American has the ability to
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use and enjoy that city in the ways that a
representative democracy mandates.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, if you could do it in lay terms for
US civilian's non attorneys, what in the constitution or state
code gives the president the authority and gives the governor
the authority for this deployment to d C.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yeah, the president is the commander in chief and the
governor is the head of the National Guard, and underneath
those two those two duties comes broad reaching authority to
use the National Guard in the ways that that they've
been used to. What we're talking about it it's it's
not really that complicated.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
At what point does the water become muddy? In terms
of the judge's assessment here, the governor has talked about
the fact that this is a volunteer effort. He's not
ordered any guardsman. I would think that that would play
unfavorably against the judges rulement here because I mean, essentially,
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I get your argument right, he's the commander in chief,
he has the ability, but essentially he's not forcing anyone
to go. So I would think does that play into
this argument at all?
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Probably not in a Probably not in a huge way.
The district judge in this case has really cited not
a ton of of of of great legal precedents in
her ruling, and so you know, at the end of
the day, these are National Guard troops and the word
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national is in even the name, right and so when
the President decides that these people need to be placed
in certain places to perform the duties, it wasn't like
he was asking them to go do something that was unconstitutional, right.
He was asking them to go and defend the city
of or help defend the city of Washington from an
overriding crime problem. And and you know, to be fair,
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the numbers speak for themselves. I mean violent crime and
property crime in d C. Since the guardsmen from South
carol line, and you know, co leading that brief with
me was General Alan Wilson from South Carolina, who also
happens to be a member of the National Guard and
a really good friend of mine. And so you know,
Allan is a full bird colonel in the National Guard
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and agrees with our assessments completely to the point where
he co led this brief with us. And so you know,
I think when you look at the factual scenario, in
the legal scenario, this brief was very very well crafted.
It was factual, uh, and it has a very very
strong chance of aiding this success on the merits of
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the deployment of the National Guard troops to Washington, d C.
And I'll tell you right now, I mean I don't
think if you know, if there ends up being a
Democrat president in the next four or eight years, which
I don't anticipate, but if there is one, I presume
that all of the people that are screaming and shouting
about this certain will have a different tune if the
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same order was given by a president of a different
political orientation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
JB.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
McCuskey, you joining us West Virginia State Attorney General. Does
the original emergency declaration, the crime emergency the president declared
back in August and expired on September tenth, after thirty days?
Does that play a factor in any of this from
a legal standpoint?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Yeah, it certainly played a factor at that point, but
it wasn't the only factor, right, So does that make
it easier? Probably yes? But is it the only way
that that can happen?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The answer is no.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Explain to me the difference, and I struggle with this.
So give an outline to our listeners too. I've heard
many people talk about title ten versus Title thirty two.
I'm not sure I fully understand that. I'm going to
be very transparent with you. Maybe you can help me,
or maybe it's even a little bit muddy for you.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
So it is not really muddy, but it is probably
something that's a little much for the amount of time
that we have here today. But I think what both
of those things speak to is the broad authority that
state executives and the federal executive have in this arena.
And so you know that there are multiple ways that
these deployments can happen, and each one of those has
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language that enables what is going on today.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
It can get very down in the weeds. But I
hear a lot of people, just for transparency, I hear
I hear pundents on both sides making the argument that
you know, one may be right, one may be wrong.
I think we're there under thirty two, right, yep, and
maybe we should be there under ten. And again, not
being an attorney, I don't fully understand that.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
So, yeah, that isn't really the basis of what our
brief talks about. But certainly there are multiple avenues by
which the federal executive can deploy National Guard members.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Fair Enough, Jamie, this may be more of a philosophical
question than a legal question, but I'm going to toss
it to you anyway. DC has a crime problem, despite
what some may say that it doesn't, it does. Why
is that a West Virginia problem? Why is that a
West Virginia National Guard problem?
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I mean, I think you could ask the same question
were you to say, why we're why we're West Virginians
deployed to Afghanistan?
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Right?
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Why were West Virginians deployed deployed to Iraq?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Right?
Speaker 8 (11:19):
We went through earlier. The District of Columbia, first of all,
is a place where every single American needs to feel
safe to do the business of the government. Secondarily, you know,
in Morgantown you might not see this as much. In
Charleston you might not see this as much. But if
you live in Jefferson County or Berkeley County or Morgan County,
you're in DC a lot. D C is where you
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go to get on an airplane. D c's where you
go to go see the Christmas parade. D C is
where you go to work. And so the idea that
West Virginians don't have an interest in one of our
largest cities that happens to be right on our border
being safe doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We do.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
So I'll actually up here on this. I read your
brief you cite Madison. I think in the brief paraphrasing
that the safety of the district is too great a
public pledge for a single state. I can buy into
the fact that every state has ownership in DC. It's
our nation's capital. I think Madison had a fair point there.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
There's a reason it's not a state, and it shouldn't
be correct or it should be no, it should not
be you know, to be fair, the mayor of DC
welcome the National Guardsman to her city with open arms
after she realized how much success they were having. Right,
And so it isn't like this brief was filed by
the mayor of the Washington of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It wasn't.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And so you know, there is enormous interest, not just
for West Virginians but for all Americans for the District
of Columbia to be a place that is a shining
example of what America is supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll pose this to both you guys, if you're TJ
happy to hear your thoughts and JB you as well.
Obviously I understand what you're saying, and actually I buy
into it for the most part, but also, well, you
could make the argument, and I'm willing to listen to it,
that if the voters in Washington, d C. Want to
vote and put people into city council and mayor who
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have established the policies that lead to crime problems, not
just DC, Chicago, New York, in a big city, whatever,
isn't that their progative. Isn't that the voters responsibility the
people who live in d C. Isn't that their problem
to deal with?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I mean, I think the answer to that question is multifaceted,
But the first part of it is is Washington d C.
Is a creature of the federal government. It operates under
a home rule agreement created by Congress that gave them
that authority. It would be very much like I'm trying
to think of a good analogy, and it's not really
popping into my head right now, but Washington d C.
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Has its own government because the federal government lets it. Right,
the federal government could rescind d C's city charter whenever
they wanted and make it a federalized city as it
was for a long time. And yes, the voters of
DC have have authority over what happens within their city
council and their Mayor's office. But like we have been
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talking about this entire time, there is a much greater
purpose for the city of Washington, d C. Which is
why it is so differently created than any other state
in the country.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Right.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
It is a place that has a federal nexus. And
the only reason why DC exists is because Congress gave
them that authority.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Here's why I think Richard Lindsay really got this right
in his decision.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Richard's a great judge and a good guy.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I think, and he didn't explicitly state this, but I
think it was implied if you listen to some of
the arguments and some of the things he had to
say on the matter. This shouldn't be in the court room,
you know where this should be ballot box. Ballot box,
ballot box. Yeah, and good or bad. Governor Morrissey will
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face the consequence of his decision at the ballot.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Box, as will I and as will a Trump. Right,
and at the end of the day, my job is
to defend state law. And Judge Lindsay has very specifically
and succinctly stated that our governor and the President had
the authority to dispatch National guardsmens to Washington, d C.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
That is our state law. That is the law that
was created by Richard Lindsay in Kanawha County.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's JB. McCuskey. He's the state attorney in general. You
could read Brad mcilhenny's story over at wv metronews dot com.
JB always a pleasure. Thanks for stopping by this morning.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Hey tell handsome, JB. I said, what's up? Well, no way,
you got to do that to yourself. I mean, I'm
not like, I'm not JB. By the way, he's my delegate.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Does that mean because he's your delegate, you have to
call yourself and say that he's handsome.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I mean, I just it doesn't have to.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
Be one of the other. But but but my delegate
has my same name. I'll tell you something's pretty cool.
You married up? So did I?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah, that is That is a a fact that I
recognize every single morning when I wake up.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
JB. Always a pleasure. Aboddy, Thank hey, Thanks, You'll have
a great day with you, Mary, Chris. Is everybody up next?
Australia's kicking you off Facebook? If you're under sixteen, we'll
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Meta has started removing Australian children under sixteen years old
from Instagram and Facebook, as well as threads platforms, a
week before an official teen social media ban begins. Let's
go to Fox News Radios Jonathan Savage. Jonathan, what's happening
down under.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, it's a big change for teenagers in Australia, a
big change for parents, and of course quite a change
for the social media companies. Two and you're right. December tenth,
when the ban officially comes into fourth cource, it'll affect Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube,
x and read It, among others. The Australian governments that
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they want to protect children from harmful content. They want
to protect them from cyber bullying and from grooming. Of course,
is the other side of the coin. Teenagers are no
doubt up in arms at the loss of their social
media Some of them say it disregards right and some
say it'll deny children and teenagers important information that they
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protect them.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
How do you enforce this, Jonathan, Because teenagers are crafty,
by the way, they may figure it out.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But I'm wondering how Australia thinks they'll enforce this.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
The Australian Communications Minister were speaking the other day and
she said, yes, there's going to be withdrawal symptoms. Some
will fight to get back on, some teenagers will find
their way around the technology and keep their accounts, but
what they really want to do is try for parents
and not back down on this one. In terms of enforcement,
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a lot of it is getting these social media companies
to do the enforcement job for them, and in doing so,
any platforms which won't take reasonable steps to block under
sixteens will face find a up to fifty million Australian
dollars that's about thirty three million US and teenagers who
want to prove that they're old enough will have to
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provide a driver's license, government issued ID, or even a
video selfie using technology that can scan their face and
provide an eesting at their edge.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Has there been I'm sure there's been pushback from the
social media firms. What's been their response to this whole process.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, there has been pushback. They oppose this, but they
are pretty much all going to comply with the law.
Meta it's going to get a bit ahead of the
game here the honor of Facebook in Instagram, it's asking
the young users to update their contact details, make sure
their dated birth is accurate, so that when we turn sixteen,
META will be in touch and say, hey, let's get
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your account up and running again. What META also wants
is an alternative law rather than a total band. They
want it to be a case for under sixteen can
give them account if they have parental approval.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I was just getting ready to ask that, what's the
feedback in terms of parents, What are the actual parents saying?
Any organizations coming forward for their viewpoint?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, in general, this is something which is united parents.
There was a large consultation before this came out, and
parents groups surveys generally were widely in favor of all
this and this consultation, but testimony from teenagers and parents,
and they heard about how lives had been damaged by
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social media, from the families of teenagers who had taken
their own life because of what they had experienced online
and sometimes because of information I'd advised to receive online
about how to take their own life. What pearents it
seems I've been asking for is some help because you
know how stubborn teenagers can be, and you know how
difficult social media can be. Imagine taking on those two together.
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They're saying, this legislative backup gives peers the tools they need.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Fox News Radios Jonathan Savage, Jonathan always appreciate thanks for
joining us this morning.
Speaker 12 (21:26):
Thank you, take care you as well.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Three or four Talk three or four is the text
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have thoughts, TJ, but we don't have time. You're barely
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West Virginia Metro News. I'm Jeff Jenkins. The official State
Christmas Tree will be front and center to night to
state capital for the annual lighting ceremony. The a Lighting
seph for six o'clock, open to the public. Governor Patrick Morrissey,
First Lady Denise Morssey has several activities planned as part
of the celebration. The tree will be dedicated in honor
of National Guard members Sarah Beckstrom and Andrew Wolf, who
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were attacked on the streets of Washington, d C. Last week.
Beckstrom died as a result of the attack. A few
hundred first responders from across the Eastern Panhandle bowing in
prayer last night at a vigil in Martinsburg for Wolf,
who remains in critical condition. Berkeley County Chaplain candidate and
Second Lieutenant Kyle Hamlin led the group in prayer.
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You can see photos of the vigil on a story
posted this morning at wv metronews dot com. Meanwhile, Becktram's
family is asking that in lieu of flowers to remember
her life, donations be made to two organizations. Posting on
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in Webster Springs says the Face family is asking donations
and Sarah's memory be made to the Nicholas County Humane
Society and the Wounded Warrior Project. New funeral services have
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Three or four Talk three or four is the tax
line eight hundred seven sixty five eight two five five
the phone number. Let it out. Well, that last statement
that Jonathan made is the one that just about I
fell out most fell out of my chair. Stubborn teens
parents need tools from the government to handle their stubborn teams.
Let me tell you, brother, my dad had all the
tools necessary to make my stubborn hind end do what
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I was supposed to do. And he got ten to
time or two, didn't it. My dad once told me,
I think I've told this story on the air before
I'll tell it again.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I was a you know, I'm a big dude. I
was a big you know in high school, played offensive line,
so I was big. My dad's five eight, one hundred
and fifty pounds soaking wet. Yeah, and you know you're sixteen.
You think you're ten feet tall in bulletproof And I
thought it was. And he reminded me one time. He said,
I don't care how big you are, you're nothing. A
two before upside your head can't fix well. And I
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am ninety nine percent certaintyj That was not a threat,
but a promise and a guarantee. Let me tell you
what's gonna happen with this. Kids are gonna get a VPN.
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
They're gonna work their way around it. Even if you
managed to shut down the VPN, They're gonna digitally create
an ID that he talked about having it. And look,
I get it's I'm not being PEJORTI of Jonathan. He's
just reporting the story. Sure they'll they'll get that digital ID,
they will use a different image.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I really started about cracking up.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Now they're gonna have to submit an image and it's
gonna be digitally scanned and all this kind of stuff,
and I'm like, yeah, bottom line, I'm sure the intent
is gonna you know what, dave parents have to step up. Yes,
and social media is dangerous. Let's not dismiss that for
one second. Look what just happened with this this young man,
so unfortunate in Nitro, and what these folks were able
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to do, And my heart just breaks for his family.
And frankly, whoever did that, I'd like to it should
be cruel and it should be unusual, whatever their punishment is.
But the best thing you can do is apparent is
keep them off of it and or till they're age appropriate,
and then discussions, discussions, discussions, because people, bad things are
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going to happen, nefarious actors are going to come after them.
I just I don't know that you can I don't
know that you can legislate your way out of this.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So anyway, good thing, there's nothing like that going on
here in West Virginia legislature, poking around where it doesn't
need to be glad. That's not easy here easy. The
voice you hear is, by all accounts and reports from
the previous guest, the better looking JB.
Speaker 16 (27:42):
I've never agreed. I've never agreed with our ag Moore
and when he referred to me as a handsome JB.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Kanawha County delicate, JB acres joining us in studio because
there is talk, among other things, heading into the twenty
six legislative session, we might be talking about high school
sports and transfer eligibility rules once again. So JB, what's
the problem and what do we how do we resolve it?
Speaker 17 (28:07):
Well, we'll get to that in just a minute.
Speaker 16 (28:09):
First, I want to say, Dave, I didn't know that
your dad was hacksaw Jim duggan carrying the two by
four around the house, so it sounds like that was
a pretty rough environment. I also want to just I
would say this daily until there's some hopeful final resolution,
but just continue in prayers for the Vectan family and
the Wolf family. Obviously that situation is not over and
aside from you know, comfort for the vection rooms and
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healing for the Wolf family. We need justice for those
folks as well.
Speaker 17 (28:33):
So I just want to put it out there.
Speaker 16 (28:35):
As far as the high school transfer a portal thing,
I want to tell people, you know, first of all,
it's not the most pressing issue in the world. I know,
you know, jobs and the economy and tore the things
that I focus on the most as a legislator. In
the off season, I spend the vast majority of my
time on job issues and try and create a better
economy and on constituent services.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's what I mostly do.
Speaker 16 (28:53):
But you can't say that this high school transfer a
portal thing is not important at all.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 16 (28:59):
We hear a lot of complaints from coaches and administrators
and athletic directors in the state of West Virginia and
from parents, and you know, it's our job as legislators.
If someone comes to us with a concern, we can't say, well,
we don't care. I mean, sometimes we'll explain to him,
will we think that we can't do something or maybe
something shouldn't be done. But I think on this one,
there's been enough a concern express over the past couple
of years since this rule has opened up that we
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need to take a second look at it and see
if we can come up with a reasonable compromise and
do some positive changes to it. And you know, one
of the main reasons I just hit it at as
you know, we talk all the time about what a
positive influence that coaches have on our kids as they
grow up, and the athletic directors who devote a ton
of time. I mean, all my kids have been publicly schooled.
I still have two who are in public school right now,
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in the AD at our twins school. They're both seniors.
The AD at their school. I mean, he is always
at the events. You know, He's always, you know, making
sure he's visible in part of that process. And you know,
we should be respectful. I am I saying that he's
approached me about this situation, but I'm just saying, these
people spend a lot of time in this environment and
we should be respectful telling us and a lot of them,
I think it appears to be most of them have
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concerns about the way the process is right now.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Dave has a better question than I do. Dave, I
know you want to ask it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Go oh, I was going to save it for at
least a couple of questions. So I read what Dana
Ferrell has proposed. He proposed them last year, he's going
to bring it up again this year. Jab it's awfully
similar to what the transfer rule was prior. So why
do we need more legislation? Why not just repeal the
transfer rule and let the s SAC and the members
schools who make up the SSAC set the policy.
Speaker 16 (30:32):
I think from a practical standpoint, it may be difficult
to get a consensus of legislators on board to just
completely get rid of the system we have now, and
that may be possible once the discussion starts. But you know,
that bill that Delegate Farrell had last year didn't really
gain much traction. So I don't know if a complete
overhaul and reversion back to what we had before would
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have the best chance of passing, you know. So, and
let me get this straight as well. We should probably
know this. It's not like kids couldn't transfer before. You
had to acquire a waiver, and I know that it
sometimes could be difficult and some people had their waivers
rejected obviously, but it's not like a transfer was impossible before,
but you had to get a waiver. So you know,
is there a compromise between the old system and what
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we have now. I mean, I don't know, something has
to be done. I'm not really concerned as much with
the technical process we're going to do. I mean, eventually
we'll have to get into that, and I think people
like Delegate Ferrell will spent more time on maybe what
the bill should look like. My concern is more holistic
in terms of you know, we had this discussion about
what's the purpose of a public school, what's the purpose
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of team sports at a public school?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well we've forgotten that.
Speaker 16 (31:40):
Yeah, I mean, listen, all of my kids played sports
grown up. My youngest daughter just finished for last, you know,
high school soccer season ever, and they all started playing
sports when they're very little. Sports are extremely important, but
they're not the most important thing in the world. And
some parents, I mean, don't get mad at me, but
some parents lose their minds over their children's sports, and
I think they lose focus on what they're about. And
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some of that I think has blowed over into this
area where the transfer portal has been seen as something
that's supposed to facilitate pure individualism in sports. It's funny
I put up a post about this a few weeks ago,
just saying, hey, I think we should revisit this and
look at it. I mean I didn't say aything controversial.
I say, hey, let's take a look at this again,
see if we can fix it. And some guy came
on there and call me a communist because I said that,
you know, community schools are important, and I think that,
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you know, there's more to a community school than just
the pure individual achievement when it comes to team sports,
and that somehow made me a communist. I guess, which
that's where we are some days on these issues. But
you know, community school schools serve a purpose that's bigger
than the individual students. We want them all to achieve
and succeed, be the very best they can. But it
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is a community and we call it that for a reason.
And team sports, I've said this before, they're a metaphor
for life. I mean, you guys work in a company TJ.
You can't come in this studio as much as you
want some days and just set your own agenda. You've
got some rules you got to follow, and you've got
people you answer to, and they probably give you a
lot of lee away and trust you, but you know,
you have to follow some rules within this company. And
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you may not always like your boss or what your
boss says. You know, our kids may not always like
their teachers or their professors. But that doesn't mean you
just pack up your bags and say, well, I'm going
to do my own thing and and and move on
and so like if your kid and listen, our kids
have had a few coaches who I wasn't super happy
with at times, and our kids have complained to me
and their mom, uh you know, their their their mom
(33:30):
whose job is to judge things and so, and we've
told them, We've said, look, you're gonna have to learn
to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
This is this is called life.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Now.
Speaker 16 (33:38):
If your coach is being abusive or something like that,
that's different. But if I'm just talking about if you
disagree with the coaching style or playing time. We've told
our kids, we said, look, you're going to have teachers
who treat you unfairly. You're gonna professors who treat you
that way. If you go to colleagues and you're gonna
have coworkers and bosses who treat you unfairly, and you
have to learn to persevere and deal with that, and
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you have to, you know, succeed despite that. And that's
one of the things team sports teaches you is life's
not always fair.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Amen. So you know folks who are.
Speaker 16 (34:09):
Like, well, I don't like the amount of playing time
my kids getting, so I'm gonna send them to a
different school. You know, if your parent, I absolutely respect
your choice as a parent to do what's best for
your kid. But I don't know if that in and
of itself would be the right reason to say we're
just gonna move kids around and let them just go
from one school the next. Now, academically, that's a different
Let's get this straight. I think kids should be able
(34:30):
to transfer for academic reasons much more broadly. Yeah, But
if you're talking about just purely team sports, which again
team sports, I have a different view on that.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
What you just brought up I was going to suggest
to you, and it sounds like you would agree. That's
what's getting lost in my mind. And look, I'm not
as vested. My nephew, who was mister Sports, he's in
college now, right, So I'm not as vested maybe as
I used to be. My kids are still too young.
But I feel like lawsuit after lawsuit over this issue
(35:03):
and this issue, changing the rules because it's not fair.
Kids are missing that lesson in that reality that hey, newsplash,
life is not fair. It's not and you are going
to have to overcome these hurdles in and of your
own accord. You're not just going to be able to
run to court every time something goes wrong and file
a lawsuit. I'm not being I'm not being critical of
(35:25):
filing lawsuits. There's a place for adjudication, you understand what
I'm saying, But just teaching kids that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Hey, go file a suit, go fillow suit, go fight.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I we're missing that and that's a problem because we're
teaching our children that if life isn't fair, that they
shouldn't have to try to overcome it. They can just
go take legal action or complain here or there and
it'll all be made better for them. I think it's
softening our kids.
Speaker 16 (35:51):
Yeah, well, I mean it's someone who I mean, I'm
a lawyer in my day job, but I'm not in
the legislature. And I think that you know, some of
these lawsuits I've seen filed, I have an I've been
a fan of Frankly, I can say that, and I'll
tell you this too, Like, you know, when I was
grown up, you know, I played sports. I actually got
a Division one scholarship to play sports in college. So
I've been through this process and you know, I know
(36:13):
what it's like, and also know that you're certainly going
to have some kids who are going to fight their
way and work harder than their talent and they're going
to achieve above and beyond what people expected of them.
Speaker 17 (36:23):
But by and.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
Large, you can be a kid. If you have that
level of talent, people are going to recognize it, I think,
no matter where you are. And I also think like
there's a certain level of on fairness as well for
the kids who have you know, fought hard and practiced
and worked their tails off in a particular community school
and all of a sudden, now we're saying, well, we
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have these other kids are going to transfer in and
take your spot from you, and like, what's your recourse?
Then now you've got to transfer to another school as
well to you know, to try and get play time
in this sport that you love and you know you
may only have a year or two left and it's
an important part of your life and you've worked hard
to be started, and you have it and someone comes in,
I mean, shybe.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That happened a school near my home. A bunch of
people transferred in, they stayed a year and they laugh.
Guess what all the other kids didn't want to fool
with it. Now that they can't, they can barely field teams.
Speaker 16 (37:10):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, you have some high
schools in West Virginia this year who, for the first
time that in better members, did not have a high
school football team. So is that a better I mean,
that's one of the outcomes of this law. So if
anyone says, don't mess with it, we should always just
leave this up to the parents, which I generally in
favor of that view, But there have certainly been negative
consequences to this. We can't deny it. And when you
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have West Virginia high schools who no longer can even
field a football team for the first time in their history,
that is a negative consequence of this. And we think,
I think we have an obligation to look at this
law and say, can we do something to make it
better where you still respect the parents' choices, the kids
rights to do what's best for them, but also make
it so that our public community schools are robust and
that the team sports aspect of the schools is preserved
(37:54):
in a way that we are actually teaching kids how
to be better citizens, better co workers, you know, better
husbands and wives, and then grew up how to play
for a team, how to know what personal personal sacrifice means.
Those things are important. And if you have some kids TJ,
like you said, you don't play at all, they're going
to miss those lessons.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So let me throw my two cents in here. One.
I totally respect your first answer, JB. And I hadn't
thought of it in that context that basically the toothpaste
is out of the tube and it's impossible to get
it back in. I think the best outcome I personally
would be to get the legislature uninvolved, because they had
a pretty good policy in place that was flexible if
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you moved from one town to another. If you know,
mom or dad got a job and Huntington and had
a move that you weren't going to lose eligibility, or
if you did transfer that and it didn't work out,
you could go back to your home school. So there
was some flexibility built into the old rule. But I
understand that getting the legislature all on board there that
that cat may be well out of the bag. Here's
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the problem. You know what the real problem is, JB.
It's the adults. It's the adults in the room. It's
not the kids. It's the adults. It's the parents who
don't have a good grasp on what's going on. And
let me tell you, coaches can get mad at me.
This weekend, I'm gonna go to the lately field. There's
recruiting going on. There are parents talking to each other.
There are coaches who are talking through parents. I can
tell you right now. There are coaches worried that their
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receivers are going to transfer to another school because that
school's got a better quarterback this year. That school's worried
their quarterbacks going to that school because they got better receivers.
It's the adults in the room, man, It's not the kids.
It's the adults, which is generally the problem when it
comes to any type of youth sports athletic endeavors.
Speaker 16 (39:29):
That's my ch I mean, well, go sit in the
stands and see how the adults act when they don't
like a call from I mean literally like you'll see
like little kids like I remember the first time, you know,
I saw parents getting kicked out of games when our
girls were seven eight years old in youth league soccer.
I'm like, there were parents screaming to the extent that
they were removed from the field at that age. So
I mean, I agree with it that I think mostly
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this is the adults, and it's what we signal to
the kids.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
As adults.
Speaker 16 (39:53):
That's normal and says saying, hey, stay at the school
you're at, learn to persevere, support your brothers and sisters
on your tea. Those are your friends, this is your community.
Instead we're saying, well, if you don't like it there,
we'll just send you somewhere else. And again, there are
times I think they can be appropriate. I might say never,
but you know, one of the things I told someone
else recently too, is when it comes to these public issues,
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there's always got to be a compromise. Otherwise we wouldn't
even have things like public roads that are built because
when you build a road, inevitably somebody is going to
say I don't want that road going through my property.
And I understand that, But if you don't build the
road through someone's property. You don't have a road. So
I view this the same way with public community schools.
And there are other options out there for parents. There's
a lot of travel sports now, there's other things they
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can do. If they're looking for a pure individual experience
for their kid, you can get that in a lot
of different ways. But I think public community schools just
serve a different purpose to me in the same way
that you have something else that's like a public road system.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
You know.
Speaker 16 (40:49):
So I don't think that makes me a communist TJ
and Dave. I could be wrong, you know. If I
am Dave, your dad's got permission to hit me inside
side the head with a tube by four.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't want to be like walking around the house
to be like self. It only the two before, but
that flag with a two by four. I'm just saying
it was an option if necessary. That's all all right, guys. Hey,
we'll look forward to having that debate probably in January
February sometime when some sort of legislation comes up. And
don't forget, by the way, high school FOOTBA championships coming
(41:19):
up this Friday and Saturday. Lately, Field will preview those
with Joe Broccatto, come over and catch a game or
two this weekend. JB.
Speaker 16 (41:26):
I appreciate that, man. And last time I talked to
you guys, you're desperately trying to dump your talent all
ken View stocks. So I hope you guys are able
to unload all that after that last discussion we had,
I stayed long.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I'm in it to win it. JB. Appreciate jab Acre's
cut on County dead like it. Thank you, buddy.
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of the hour, Ashley Horst will join us Stubblefield Institute.
We'll get back to this conversation that we've been having
for a couple of days now about asking questions. Should
we be asking questions? Are you un American? If you
are asking questions? Are we asking the wrong questions? Why
am I asking so many questions? We'll talk about it.
Coming up at eleven oh six Texas is David tj.
(46:06):
The legislature needs to look at neighboring states like Ohio
and Pennsylvania to make certain we are at least not
losing players in families by moving out of state. I
believe Ohio now has high school nil in some areas.
Families want what's best for their kids. I would think, yeah,
SSAC has addressed this. I want less legislature. I want
less government and a lot of things. High school athletics
(46:29):
is one of them. Education is another one of them. Actually,
I would like to have less legislature involved in less government.
I thought that's where Republicans were about, less government, not
more government. Less government. I think I'm not.
Speaker 7 (46:41):
Sure what Republicans are about today. I used to be
considered a conservative. I don't know if I still am
or not. I mean, it's this whole populist right. I
just know I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Are you a communist?
Speaker 20 (46:53):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
What are you? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
Man depends on what day of the week and who
calls me what so.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Bends on the Texter. This text was, know is Dave's dead?
Buford Pusser. That would be an old Tennessee lawman from
back way back in the day. Uh listen, Dad's not
walking around the house with like a tube of like
hacksaw Jim Duggan. It was just a reminder that even
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six inches taller, that he was still in charge. He'd
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asking questions? Are we asking the right questions? What happened
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Speaker 7 (48:45):
Good morning Dave. This caught my eye. Caitlin Collins of
CNN on Twitter. She says, the White House is lowering
the flags to half staff today in honor of US
Army specialist Sarah Beckstrom. So that news coming across the
X machine.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Three or four talk three or four is the tax
line at eight hundred and seven and sixty five eight
two five five the phone number. So we have been
having this conversation and TJ, if you can go back
to what was that Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, I can't
remember what day it was, but you had the commentary
maybe it's yesterday about asking questions and whether or not
(49:20):
it's patriotic, unpatriotic, loyal, disloyal, or we have some sort
of duty responsibility to ask the question. Summarize what you
wrote there earlier this week at WV Metro News dot com. Yeah,
I'd be glad to.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
So basically, the premise of the piece is this, there
is a narrative that and it's been quiet. It's still quiet,
but it's creeping in more and more into other issues
that are being debated. And that narrative is that if
you question our leaders it is somehow unpatriotic to do so.
And the essence of my commentary was, not only is
(49:54):
it patriotic to do so, it's our responsibility as citizens
of a republic to question our leaders. There's a reason
we have a First Amendment in this country, and it
was part of the design, the ingenious design of our founders,
to make sure we had the ability if for no
other reason, then power is corrupting and we need to
be in a position to question what our leaders are
(50:14):
telling us. That was the essence of the piece.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And the impetus for this whole conversation that kind of
started and you'd obviously been thinking about it, but that
started on the show earlier this week was folks asking
questions about the National Guard deployment to DC, what is
the mission? Were they properly equipped, et cetera, et cetera,
And then some of the responses, and in the governor
has been part of the response saying, well, if can
(50:38):
we not just support the guardsmen, as if asking questions
is somehow opposing or not supporting those guards troops. So
that is how we kind of arrived at this point.
Let's bring into the conversation Ashley Horst. She's with the
Stubblefield Institute for Civil Political Communications. She joined the sol
Metro News talk line Ashley, good morning and thanks for
(50:58):
joining us.
Speaker 18 (51:00):
Good morning, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
So why is simply asking the question, as we like
to often say, and maybe just asking the question. Why
is that perceived nowadays as criticism or opposition?
Speaker 14 (51:13):
I think it's because we have stopped asking questions. Actually,
I think that as a nation, our attention has become
so divided that we've abdicated a lot of our responsibility
for self governing to our elected officials. But in fact,
our governing systems were set up to be questioned and
(51:36):
to allow people to participate through I mean not only
our elections, but also public comment periods that are put
out on pieces of legislation and on proposals. There's built
in with the judicial review opportunity for judges, many of
whom are either elected or appointed, to ask questions of
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our elected officials. And when we don't use that opportunity,
when we don't ask questions and put ourselves as the
public in the governance structure, we lose the ability to
do so. Because those who are in positions of power
become accustomed to not being questioned.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Talk about that aspect of it.
Speaker 7 (52:19):
I think folks would say, at least some Ashley, Oh no, no, no,
the First Amendment is ingrained in the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
They'll never be able to weaken it.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
But minus exercising, that just becomes words on a piece
of paper, doesn't it.
Speaker 14 (52:34):
Absolutely Unless we ourselves use our freedoms, we use our
rights in including our right to free speech, to engage
with our legislators, it will be eroded. And so what
we need to do is exercise that right and exercise
it responsibly. And we have been seeing some challenges for
(52:58):
our legislators when it comes to answering questions. There should
always be questions. However, I think one of the trends
we've seen in our country are the gotcha questions. We're
trying to craft that perfect question that is going to
get the answer that we are then going to turn
around and hammer our elected official with. And we also
(53:19):
have lost the appreciation that legislation is complex. Legislation is
often a compromise. It should be a compromise. And when
we are trying to find that one little piece that
we can prove that that legislator doesn't support our position,
then it is very challenging for our legislators to engage
(53:42):
in good faith with us, because even when they're trying
to be transparent, they're setting themselves up for a full man.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think you did such a much better job of
articulating what I was trying to yesterday, Ashley. When I
look at media, and especially national news media, look at
look at ourselves here for a moment. MSNBC has an
editorial position. Fox News is an editorial position. So if
I'm of the opposite position of those it we'll just
(54:11):
use those particular networks as examples, Ashley. If if I'm
a Democrat and a Fox News reporters asking me a question,
I've already got the perception there out to get me.
Same if it's MSNBC and it's the Republicans, it's it's
hashtag fake news, you're already out to get me. So
the answers already tainted, the questions already tated, because we've
already and I'm speaking broadly in media and many immedia types,
(54:33):
taken a position on something before we get the information,
before we even have an opportunity for the you know
question period to play itself out, and quite frankly, you
just articulated that very very well.
Speaker 14 (54:45):
Absolutely, and we as citizens need to come into this
these questions and into these conversations with honest curiosity and
not not trying to prove our point, but being willing
to learn, being willing to understand why decisions were made.
Speaker 18 (55:03):
I remember when I.
Speaker 14 (55:04):
Was listening to one of the debates before the last election,
and one of the candidates, who was the incumbent, had
been hammered by another candidate on a specific piece of
legislation that they supported. And after the debate, the incumbent said,
but that was just such a small piece and it
(55:25):
was taken out of context, and you know, I did
it because of these other reasons that were very supportive
of this candidate's positions. But in that you know, thirty
second clip, you lost all of that complexity and the
compromise that had to happen to get that piece of
legislation over the finish line.
Speaker 7 (55:48):
How do we distinguish between gotcha and accountability?
Speaker 14 (55:55):
That's a great question, and I think it comes through
in the follow up questions that we ask that when
we do hear something either you know, if the question
was crafted as a gotcha question, being willing to ask
the next question of well, why why did you vote
this way? Why did you support this bill or not
(56:17):
support this bill? Why did you take this action and
listening openly and honestly, because when we shut the conversation
down as soon as we've gotten our one little piece
of information we were using to frame that legislator, then
we haven't gotten the true story, and we're not being
honestly curious. We have a lot of self interest in
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it at that point.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
How did we reach this point? Was it just a
gradual I guess it would be a descent, not an uscent.
Was this just a gradual descent? Over twenty years you
look up and then suddenly you're like, man, we can't
even have a conversation anymore. How do we get here? Ashley?
Speaker 14 (56:56):
I think a lot of it is that is ambivalence, honestly,
so we have let our attention become so distracted. There
are so many more things vuying for our attention, the
rise of technology. We've gotten so busy that if you
look at how often we vote, you know, voter rates
(57:19):
have declined. If you look at civic participation, that has declined,
and the rise of loneliness has creeped in, especially since COVID,
and all of that is because of that disconnect. And
so when we don't speak up, when we don't go
to public meetings, I mean, how many public meetings have
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no people in the public part of the meeting. Then
it allows our legislators to do what they want without
the supervision of the people.
Speaker 7 (57:52):
Tribalism has become so popular, I think because it's easy
to sell and it's easy to fund raise on, and
it's gotten to the point where you are on the
team or you are not on the team, and then
folks who want to be independent, folks who want to
look issue by issue, find themselves marginalized. I mean, look
no further than the Republican primary here that for years
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they needed independence to vote in order to carry enough
to win. And now if you're an independent, can't vote
that primary anymore. Are independents just opting out? And by
opting out, are they getting out of the entire process?
And should they be more vocal now in reclaiming that
role and saying no, no, no, you're not going to frame
me into this.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I got to be one or the other.
Speaker 14 (58:35):
I think that everybody needs to be more vocal, because
when your moderates on both Republican and the Democratic side,
when your independence aren't vocal, the people you do here
are on the fringes of the party or on another fringe.
It's not necessarily just on the right.
Speaker 18 (58:55):
Or the left.
Speaker 14 (58:56):
And so as a community, as the public, saying that
we're not going to be forced into a box that
I might agree with the Democratic Party in some things
and the Republican Party on others.
Speaker 18 (59:08):
And being willing to.
Speaker 14 (59:11):
Not vote a straight party ticket sometimes because you've considered
the issues, not just whether it's an R or a D.
Those are the things that are important. It's putting in.
It's investing your time, your attention, and your energy into
understanding the issues, voting on the issues, not just which
party you think supports your.
Speaker 18 (59:33):
Issue, and being active.
Speaker 14 (59:36):
Join volunteer, volunteer in your community, Go to the state capitol,
go to our nation's capital.
Speaker 18 (59:44):
Hear what's going on there. Visit in person when you can.
It's about all.
Speaker 14 (59:49):
Of us who are being active, because if all of
us are not active, we're going to be represented by
those who are, and those people sometimes tend to be
those who feel the most strongly about specific issues.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Ashley. We're talking to Ashley Horst with the Doublefield Institute.
What role has the shrinking local newsroom also played in this?
There are very few, if any investigative journalists who are
doing deep dive investigative pieces here in West Virginia. Most
newsrooms are just being pulled left, right, up, down, and
(01:00:22):
sideways just to cover current events. Television stations, newspapers barely
exist in some cases. We do what we can. Obviously,
I think every Capitol reporter this morning is all on
the same panel today. None of them are available to
come on the show. So how has that played a
role in this whole conversation that we're having.
Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
It is really pivotal because when we can't get local news,
when we aren't hearing what our county commissions are doing,
our school boards are doing, it does two things. One,
it hyper focuses us on the national because we are
able to get the national news, and so sometimes it
makes some of the national issues seen bigger and more
(01:01:02):
important than what is happening in our own backyard.
Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
And two, then we don't know what's happening.
Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
And it does allow our elected officials locally and at
the state level to kind of do what they want
to do because that flashlight isn't in there, kind of
poking around in the corners and letting the general public
know what's.
Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Happening in our discourse, whether it's guys like us asking questions,
citizens asking questions, just wanting to have debate, even on
the floor among politicians, it seems we have been overtaken
to some degree by cruelty and hate. Civility is absent
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from much of these discussions nowadays. I don't know why
that has come to be. Maybe it's always been and
we can just see it more now with media. But
it seems to me that we can't get to the
play that we're talking about, Ashley if we don't care
a little bit about the other guy and treat them decent.
Speaker 14 (01:02:07):
So I'm going to push back on that just a
little bit. I think what we see is that vitriol
and that name calling and that nastiness, because that makes
for good entertainment.
Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
I think what we don't see is the day to.
Speaker 14 (01:02:23):
Day work that is happening on the boring things, on
the things that you know don't make great headline news
because it's something that is administrative, or it just isn't sensational.
So I think there is a lot of collaboration happening.
I think there's a lot of working across lines, and
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that's both at the federal level and the state level.
And then we have seen in our community actually a
rise in having these conversations because there are people who,
you know, they're tired of the vitriol, they're tired of
the name calling, and so we are pushing ourselves with
(01:03:05):
the Stumblefield Institute, with Shepherd University to have these conversations
in a civil manner and to highlight those who are
doing so. So I would yeah, I would just caution
not to paint with too broad of a brush on
what we're seeing on the headlines versus what's happening day
to day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
All right, Ashley, we got to take a break and
stir things up because we need some more ratings. So
TJ and I are going to go at it in
the next segment. Well, good luck, Ashley, Horace Stubblefield is too.
Thank you so much for the context this morning, appreciate
the discussion. Thank you for having me take a break
back in a moment, I don't know, maybe TJ and
I will go at it virtually coming up here in
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case that you may have lost track of over the
last oh, I don't know, four years, Texas says. TJ.
Raises a good point. The vitriol and hatred has to stop. Tidbit.
The first time I ever heard vitriol and hatred by
media was during lunch in the nineties on one O
three three in Clarksburg, a Metro News affiliate, when Rush
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Limbaugh called teenager Chelsea Clinton the White House Dog, says
the Texter I think the full quote is power corrupts
and absolute power crups. Absolutely that we are even asking
the question about is it okay to ask questions or
is it disloyal to ask questions? Shows us where we
are and where a few have taken us. FYI, MSNBC
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no longer exists. It's now ms now, a cable news
channel owned by Versant, a subsidiary of Comcasts, pending its
spin off to their shareholders in twenty twenty six. Yes,
I know, and I've seen the rebranding, but I would
venture most of you probably haven't, is my guess. Anyway,
back to the Texter's point about the vitriol and the hatred,
(01:06:50):
TJ he's right or she's right. I don't know if
it's a here she that person's right, you're right, And
we've seen this from both sides. Especially, it feels like
it really cranked up. And maybe it's because I was
more becoming more aware doing you know, through this, through
this role in this job. Feels like it really cranked
up twenty twenty in COVID and moving forward from there,
(01:07:13):
Does it have to do with Trump getting elected in sixteen?
Does it were we headed in that direction? I don't
have the answer, but and that's a feeling. It's a
gut feeling that's not certainly not scientific, but it certainly
feels that way.
Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
And it's not just pushing back on what Ashley said.
The focus maybe state or federal. I even see it locally.
I was at a board meeting board of education meeting
locally a few years back. Someone who didn't like a
position that the board member had brought in blow ups,
had some how found pictures of this board member's children
(01:07:52):
and started disparaging the children as a means of attacking
the board member. Come on, do you think we project?
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
And what I mean is we see these national issues,
these issues something that happens in Portland, Oregon, or San
Francisco or DC, and we feel left out and we
want to get involved. So then you go to the
board meeting and just because you disagree with the policy,
they're a communist or they're a raving right wingers? Some
(01:08:21):
do you think we project? Sometimes? And that that gets
us in this trap of you know, top down, national down.
I didn't articulate that well, but no, you did.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
I know where you're going. I'm gonna give you my
honest opinion here. There are some people. They don't care
about solutions. They just want to set the fire. I
believe that's and that's that's how they get their kicks.
Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I believe Christopher Nolan wrote that line, didn't it isn't
that Dark Knight. Some people just want to see the
world burn. That's the joker. Oh, come on, TJ. You've
seen the Dark Knight, haven't you? But I can't remember
to quote it? Okay, okay, questioning our nerdiness here, Jake
is that dark Knight? That's Dark Knight right in the
Batman trilogy. Jake doesn't know either.
Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
I read it in an article a while back about
wanting it to burn. I agree with it. I forget
what article it was, but it may come from Batman too,
I don't know.
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Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Three oh four talk three or four is the text line.
You assume most of you haven't to your reckoning talk
line now will be only for card carrying mega worshippers
of crying out lab Listen. You want to know why
I assume. But people have things to do in life,
and I bet I'm just going to go on a
lemon bets. Folks aren't going around going you know. You
know MSNBC's now ms NOW. We still call X Twitter
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And how long has it been X? Does the now
stand for it's supposed to stand for something? Right? I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
I thought if I were Microsoft, I'd be a little ticked.
I'd want my name off of that completely.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Amen. But it has nothing to do with like I'm
assuming the demographics of the audience, or I'm assuming what
the audience wants to. Just assume you got stuff to
do and you haven't been sitting around going, well, you know,
it's ms NOW mercy and this is part of the problem,
and we'll put a bow for the conversation for now, TJ.
That's part of the problem is we assume we have
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these perceptions already, whether we are the questioners or the
interviewe or the interview were or we're in the public,
we already have these preconceived notions and going in with
an open mind to gather information with curiosity. It's hard
to do it. It's a lot of people don't do it.
(01:13:55):
They go in and they either want affirmation or they
want they go in wanting the fight. Like you you
pointed out a little bit ago.
Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
I would hope there are still enough people who want
to listen to a show like this that just don't
want to be in an echo chamber and hear everything
they believe pandered back at them. I also think that
this show is different in that, look, if we screw
up or somebody doesn't agree Boom text line, I mean,
it's ultimate accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
We hear it, trust me, well, I'll and all. A
couple of Texters I lost the text asked about layup questions.
We ask layup questions. You know why we pose a
layup question to It's an opportunity for say a lawmaker
to explain their like, explain their position, and then we
can start to get into the you know, the whys
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and the hows and whether we're poking holes in banded
legislation or trying to understand where somebody's coming from. You
got to establish a little bit if you come in
guns blazing, and every time, nobody's going to want to
come on here. If you know, Dave and TJ are
a couple of you know, pick your adjective there whatever, Now, right,
you got to give up people an opportunity to explain
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where they're coming from, explain their point of view, and
then you get into the now Wait a minute, hang on,
here's a perfect example, TJ. Brian Helton, Senator Helton came on.
We gave him an opportunity to explain his energy legislation,
and then you've followed up with some pretty tough questions
about it. Right, Yeah, that is a pretty tense conversation,
(01:15:27):
but it was a good conversation. Y'all didn't brawl in
the parking lot afterward, did you. No? No, not that
I recall, you know, And that's that ought to be
the conversation we have that we're not fighting each other. Yeah,
we're having tough conversations. Hopefully that improves the legislation down
the road. Because somebody asked questions and pointed out if
there are holes or deficiencies in it.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
Yeah, well, one of the things you do really well
that I've tried to do a better job at, and
there's still more room for improvement. You let people go
a little bit and look, there's a place to step
in if they're getting too far down. But it's important
that we hear from these people directly. People don't want
to hear us, They want to hear from those people.
So you do a good job at that. I've tried
to do a better job and taken that learning from you.
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But look, are we perfect?
Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
No.
Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
I'd also say this, Every football team, every basketball team
has a few warm ups, right, few tune up games
before they get into the guts of it. So I
don't think we have that. You know, right out of
the gate camer somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Not everybody's Mike Tyson gets the knockout in the first round.
Sometimes exactly, you got to feel out the fight a
little bit prior. All right, I want to get into
this and we're gonna probably spend some more time on
this next week. We were sorting it through. I think
it's about a thirty nine page ruling that came out
of Canawll County Circuit Court yesterday Westerndia's charter school systems
under a permanent injunction after a circuit judge's Thursday ruling
(01:16:47):
and a case stretching back I think it was Wednesday
Wednesday rulings, or maybe it was last week anyway, stretching
back several years. The legal challenge was brought by Sam
Brennette of Marion County and Robert McLeod of Knawa County,
both parents and educators. They can they would suffer irreparable
harm if the charter schools were created without consent of
a majority of voters in the county or counties in
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which the charter schools operate. The injunction, which included a
sixty day stay to maintain the status quo for any
appeals process, enjoined the West Virginia Professional Charter Schools Board
from authorizing any new charter schools without consent of the
affected county voters. This would not affect operations of the
eight charters already approved by the state Oversight Board. Second,
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the order tries to take into account reasonable time for
the legislature and governor to respond by having special elections
to get the consent of voters with charter schools in
their communities, or by taking related legislative or executive action.
Brad mclhenny writes, if there is no action taken, or
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the voters were to reject those charter schools, then somewhere
down the line they could be discontinued. The challenge was
based on a section of stateitution that says no independent
free school, district or organization shall hereafter be created, except
with the consent of the school district or districts out
of which the same is to be created, expressed by
a majority of voters voting on the question. So go
(01:18:12):
read Brad Mackwhenney story at WV Metro News dot com.
But CJ, as we often say, this is not the
end of this story. No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
It's going to be appealed and it will go back
to the Supreme Court. And Dave, I did have a
chance to read more deeply into the order a bit
this morning in the nine o'clock hour, and the more
I read full disclosure. When you and I talked this morning,
I was like, I really don't know where I'm at
on this yet. And the more I read, the more
(01:18:44):
I personally believe from my lay perspective, which means nothing,
I think the judge got this wrong, and I think
that it should be appealed and overturned. This idea of
Section ten in Article twelve talks about what the Constitution
says in terms of school districts. When you look back
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at why that was put in, that was to prevent
the legislature from carving up school districts, not to block
the legislature from creating new kinds of schools. And you
see that they've done that. This idea of independent, well,
you've got independent vocational schools. I was reminded of that,
you have magnet schools. This definition of independent has to
(01:19:30):
do with taxing authority. Charter schools aren't a distinct taxing authority.
I mean they draw their money from revenue sources that
are already created. The other point, and this one, I
think is really where it goes above and beyond. This
idea that we'll have an election that's nowhere in the constitution.
(01:19:55):
Wasn't a law the legislature passed. Is just to say
we'll have an election on whether or not it's not codified.
It's kind of came in out of thin air. How
do you do that? How does a judge say, well,
we'll have an election in the county on these issues.
I don't think a judge has that broad of authority.
Maybe I'm missing something. Someone can tell me. If I am,
(01:20:17):
i'd be glad to hear it, but that I don't
like when new law is created from the bench, especially
something on this. And as my lay read of this
comes in, I'm afraid we're getting close to that.
Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 13 (01:20:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yes, And I'll stop short of saying whether I think
the judge was right or wrong, because, as we have
famously said many times, not an attorney. But I'll come
on up from this perspective. To you, Jay, it seems
very impractical to me now that we are, what three years,
three four years into public charter schools. Since they have
been established, there are brick and mortar buildings, there have
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been significant investments into those facilities, there are students who
are attending these schools, and they are expanding. It seems
very impractical now three four years after the fact. Let's
say the judge got it right, then the legislature's going
to have to take some sort of action because it
seems very impractical to hold an election where you can
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certainly drive people to the polls to vote against something
and then have to disband the How is that? How
would that ever be in the best interest of students
if this is what this is all about, So come
back after the fact and disband it and then send
them I guess you tell the parents tough you now
have to go to blank school in this district or whatever.
That does not seem practical or like it's in the
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best interest of the students at this point. And your
point is well taken.
Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
My saying the judge got it wrong, let me say this,
let me rephrase, revise, and extend my remarks.
Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Please.
Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
I don't understand how the judge could conclude that she
can authorize an election on this issue and we'll have
a vote on whether or not the county's going to
allow That seems like that was invented. Maybe that's somewhere
else in the law and I missed it. Absolutely possible,
somebody pointed out to me. But I just I question
(01:22:06):
why a judge can say, well, we'll just have an
election on this, And that's the part that I find
very confusing.
Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
And like I said, this came out what sometime yesterday afternoon,
so trying to sort through the legal leese. Of course,
Brad McElheny always does a marvelous job of sorting through
those and summarizing. And we're going to reach out Sam
Burnette from Marion County. He teaches or taught I think
he may have retired now at Morgantown High or Robert MacLeod.
We'll get one of these guys on the show. We'll
talk about it, get their perspective on it, and ask
(01:22:32):
them questions. But like I said, from a practical matter,
I mean, we're three four years down the road here,
is that in the best interest to go back retroactively
and try to approve or reject these public charter schools.
Seems like, like we said earlier, cats out of the
bag at this Yeah, And I don't know how you
would pull those back.
Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
Maybe you can stop from moving forward. And I know
this injunction does that She's not saying that those charter
schools that have already been approved have to close today
because she understands there's going to be appeal. That's the
way I read the order, right.
Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So you have that.
Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
But even even if this goes and the Supreme Court
says yep, you have to have an election and everything,
I would think you have to have a carve out
for what you've already created. That just doesn't seem appropriate
that now you pull the carpet out from under what
is it three charter schools now something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I think there's eight eight? Wow, not counting very well today.
Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Well, a couple of them are actually brick and mortar,
and I know there's a few virtual virtual academies. I
don't see any point of pulling the rug out from
under what's already been done.
Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Three or four talk three or four. Read Brad back
on honey story at WV metro news dot com. Like
I said, I think we'll talk some more about this
early next week, get a little bit more in detail
as we have some more time to digest the legal
eese of the matter coming up. He could be a lawyer,
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High school football championships kick off tomorrow at noon Morgantown
versus Martinsburg in the Class four A title game. We'll
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line this morning. Joe, good morning, Dave.
Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
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Yeah, I mean, we might need another five years before
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let's start with us for a matchup tomorrow. Martinsburg Bulldogs,
going for the third straight championship, take it on the Mohegans,
back in the title game for the first time since
two thousand and five, and it's.
Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
The only one of the four matchups that is a
regular season rematch, although Princeton Nitro did play in a
scrimmage game prior to the year. But back in Week seven,
Martinsburg handed Morgantown they were bone loss, thirty four to six.
Martinsburg head coach State Walker was pretty quick to say
that he thought that game was a lot closer than
the score line indicated. The game kind of got stretched
(01:28:20):
out late. But you know, if you're Morgantown, even though
you have lost to Martinsburg, it's probably beneficial to have
a full game against them, to know what they like
to do and to you know, get good sense of
their tendencies in personnel. Yes, it's a great challenge to
go up against Martinsburg, and when Martinsburg gets to the
state championship game, that's usually game, set and match in.
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The Bulldogs generally take home the title, as they've done
eleven times since twenty ten. But I'm sure Morgantown's looking
forward to the challenge and the.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Opportunity class triple A. Joe, let's go.
Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
There should be a fun matchup of two offenses that
are very prolific, but I think defenses that are underrated.
Princeton and Nitro. Both teams have tremendous skilled players on
offense that obviously get the line share of the attention.
Princeton led by their outstanding receiver and running back Brad
Moser and a three year starter quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
In Chance Parker.
Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
Nitro has talent all over the field, led by WBU
signed ee Malachai Thompson. The Rod Parks just signed with
North Carolina yesterday. Davie Pattinson signed with Morgan State. See
they've got three Division one players in terms of overall talent,
Triple A takes the back seats and nobody.
Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah, Joe, that game has the potential to be like
sixty five sixty four by the end of the night.
There could be a lot of offense Saturday Night in
that Triple A game.
Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
Yeah. I mean, if you do look at the offensive
players and the numbers that both of those offenses have
put up. Yes, but again, I do believe that those
defenses look Chapin or Nitro hell Chapin bullet at thirteen
points in the semi final last week, and Princeton found
a way to shut out Spring Valley and that's a
tremendous p of effort that they were able to put
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up in the semi finals. So I do think the
defenses do garner a good deal of respect on both.
Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Sides, Hi, Joe, Class DOUBLEA. It'll be Frankfurt and Bluefield
Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Second year in a row, these teams are meeting in
the playoffs, and you've got a couple of veteran head
coaches that have been highly successful. And it's interesting because
Frankfort Kevin White has said to everybody who would listened
last year, Hey, I just want to get one more
champion or one championship before my coaching career is done.
And now that he finds himself on the doorstep of another,
he's like, yeah, you know, I'd kind of like to
get a second. And Bluefield is led by the Dean
(01:30:35):
of State coaches Brett Simon in his fortieth year and
five titles to his name, leaving that program so tremendous coaches,
tremendous teams. That should be a good one to open
up things on Saturday.
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Class single A. Wheeling Central has what twelve championships in
its program history, cleavit Tell making its first title appearance.
Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
Yeah, and Clayvetel is the newcomer to the field. All
the other teams have played in the state championship before,
but Clay Mittel's this is their first benship to the
state championship and a tremendous job their second year head
coach and still the program's all time leading rusher at
Kleayvittel and Aaron Lepou. He's done a fantastic job getting
that team to win twelve consecutive games. They've lost their opener,
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they haven't loost since and everybody knows what Reeling Central is.
They've got the championships and the pedigree and a record
of success, and they've played at difficult of a schedule
as anybody in the States. So I'm curious to see
how that one plays out tomorrow night.
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Capital City over at Laidley Field. All that. Good morning, TJ.
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Meadows, Good morning sir. How are we this morning doing well?
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We got TJ, JB, JB. Anybody else we can get.
We should get both brads on to round out the
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What's about Tom had a bunch of guys with initials
on this program, and not just a bunch of daves
running around this network. So I'm personally glad that this
has happened.
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This Yeah, we don't need any more brads. They don't
even have initials.
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We've got two brads about a half dozen days on
this network. We got it all covered. The voice you
hear is coming from the Charleston Studios this morning. He
is the Attorney General for the great State of West Virginia. JB. McCuskey, JB.
Good morning, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (02:48):
Good morning, Merry Christmas to everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm Merry Christmas to you as well. This week, your
office join counterparts across the country and appeals court filing
to support the continued presence of National Guard members in Washington,
d C. The Friend of the Court brief representing West
Virginian two dozen attorneys general across the country was filed
on Tuesday in US District Court of Appeals in the
(03:10):
District of Columbia Circuits. So let's start here, JB. Why continue?
Why do you continue to support National Guard troops from
West Virginia to be deployed in Washington, d C.
Speaker 8 (03:23):
Yeah, So that is not a truly an accurate assessment
of what our brief does. Our brief lays out facts
about what is happening in DC, about the explosion of
crime in DC, and is importantly, our brief makes the
argument that the governor and the President have the authority
to dispatch the National Guard into the District of Columbia
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we have right here in Kanaw County. Judge Richard Lindsay
has agreed with this assessment, dismissing the acl used lawsuit
which claims which claimed to say that there was no
authority to do that. Our office's job is to defend
our state laws and to defend our governor's actions when
they are constitutional and legal, and in this instance, they
(04:10):
are so clearly constitutional and legal that our circuit courts
have thrown out challenges to their to the deployments into
the District of Columbia. There are there are no really
good arguments that National Guard troops cannot be sent into
the nation's capital. The President and our governor have the
(04:30):
authority to do that, and our brief lays out the
facts of why they did that, which are all true,
and then comes to the conclusion that this district court
has overstepped its bounds and that this that this injunction
should be stayed pending appeal because of how likely it
is that the President and Governor Morrisey are going to
(04:51):
win on the merits of the challenge.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
I love merits. Let's let's talk about Let's talk about
and get into that brief. Start with the constitutional arguments
of why say DC is different versus Chicago versus New York.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Yeah, the District of Columbia is the seat of our
federal government, and every American has to feel comfortable and
safe coming to d C. In order to do the
business of the government. Every citizen needs to have access
to their congress people, to their Senators, to the Supreme Court,
to the White House, to every single one of the
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bureaucratic offices that is in Washington, d C. If Americans
don't feel safe going to that city, there is a
fundamental problem with our representative democracy.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Right.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
And so there's people that disagree with whether or not
they should have been sent there, right, that is a
reasonable disagreement. It's one that I disagree with, but that
is reasonable. But there is no real legal basis to
say that the governor and the President do not have
the authority to dispatch the National Guard to our nation's
capital to ensure that every American has the ability to
(05:56):
use and enjoy that city in the ways that a
representative democracy mandates.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, if you could do it in lay terms for
US civilian's non attorneys, what in the constitution or state
code gives the president the authority and gives the governor
the authority for this deployment to d C.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yeah, the president is the commander in chief and the
governor is the head of the National Guard, and underneath
those two those two duties comes broad reaching authority to
use the National Guard in the ways that that they've
been used to. What we're talking about it it's it's
not really that complicated.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
At what point does the water become muddy? In terms
of the judge's assessment here, the governor has talked about
the fact that this is a volunteer effort. He's not
ordered any guardsman. I would think that that would play
unfavorably against the judges rulement here because I mean, essentially,
(07:00):
I get your argument right, he's the commander in chief,
he has the ability, but essentially he's not forcing anyone
to go. So I would think does that play into
this argument at all?
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Probably not in a Probably not in a huge way.
The district judge in this case has really cited not
a ton of of of of great legal precedents in
her ruling, and so you know, at the end of
the day, these are National Guard troops and the word
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national is in even the name, right and so when
the President decides that these people need to be placed
in certain places to perform the duties, it wasn't like
he was asking them to go do something that was unconstitutional, right.
He was asking them to go and defend the city
of or help defend the city of Washington from an
overriding crime problem. And and you know, to be fair,
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the numbers speak for themselves. I mean violent crime and
property crime in d C. Since the guardsmen from South
carol line, and you know, co leading that brief with
me was General Alan Wilson from South Carolina, who also
happens to be a member of the National Guard and
a really good friend of mine. And so you know,
Allan is a full bird colonel in the National Guard
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and agrees with our assessments completely to the point where
he co led this brief with us. And so you know,
I think when you look at the factual scenario, in
the legal scenario, this brief was very very well crafted.
It was factual, uh, and it has a very very
strong chance of aiding this success on the merits of
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the deployment of the National Guard troops to Washington, d C.
And I'll tell you right now, I mean I don't
think if you know, if there ends up being a
Democrat president in the next four or eight years, which
I don't anticipate, but if there is one, I presume
that all of the people that are screaming and shouting
about this certain will have a different tune if the
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same order was given by a president of a different
political orientation.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
JB.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
McCuskey, you joining us West Virginia State Attorney General. Does
the original emergency declaration, the crime emergency the president declared
back in August and expired on September tenth, after thirty days?
Does that play a factor in any of this from
a legal standpoint?
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Yeah, it certainly played a factor at that point, but
it wasn't the only factor, right, So does that make
it easier? Probably yes? But is it the only way
that that can happen?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
The answer is no.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Explain to me the difference, and I struggle with this.
So give an outline to our listeners too. I've heard
many people talk about title ten versus Title thirty two.
I'm not sure I fully understand that. I'm going to
be very transparent with you. Maybe you can help me,
or maybe it's even a little bit muddy for you.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
So it is not really muddy, but it is probably
something that's a little much for the amount of time
that we have here today. But I think what both
of those things speak to is the broad authority that
state executives and the federal executive have in this arena.
And so you know that there are multiple ways that
these deployments can happen, and each one of those has
(10:14):
language that enables what is going on today.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
It can get very down in the weeds. But I
hear a lot of people, just for transparency, I hear
I hear pundents on both sides making the argument that
you know, one may be right, one may be wrong.
I think we're there under thirty two, right, yep, and
maybe we should be there under ten. And again, not
being an attorney, I don't fully understand that.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
So, yeah, that isn't really the basis of what our
brief talks about. But certainly there are multiple avenues by
which the federal executive can deploy National Guard members.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Fair Enough, Jamie, this may be more of a philosophical
question than a legal question, but I'm going to toss
it to you anyway. DC has a crime problem, despite
what some may say that it doesn't, it does. Why
is that a West Virginia problem? Why is that a
West Virginia National Guard problem?
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I mean, I think you could ask the same question
were you to say, why we're why we're West Virginians
deployed to Afghanistan?
Speaker 9 (11:14):
Right?
Speaker 8 (11:14):
Why were West Virginians deployed deployed to Iraq?
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Right?
Speaker 8 (11:19):
We went through earlier. The District of Columbia, first of all,
is a place where every single American needs to feel
safe to do the business of the government. Secondarily, you know,
in Morgantown you might not see this as much. In
Charleston you might not see this as much. But if
you live in Jefferson County or Berkeley County or Morgan County,
you're in DC a lot. D C is where you
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go to get on an airplane. D c's where you
go to go see the Christmas parade. D C is
where you go to work. And so the idea that
West Virginians don't have an interest in one of our
largest cities that happens to be right on our border
being safe doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
We do.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
So I'll actually up here on this. I read your
brief you cite Madison. I think in the brief paraphrasing
that the safety of the district is too great a
public pledge for a single state. I can buy into
the fact that every state has ownership in DC. It's
our nation's capital. I think Madison had a fair point there.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
There's a reason it's not a state, and it shouldn't
be correct or it should be no, it should not
be you know, to be fair, the mayor of DC
welcome the National Guardsman to her city with open arms
after she realized how much success they were having. Right,
And so it isn't like this brief was filed by
the mayor of the Washington of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It wasn't.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And so you know, there is enormous interest, not just
for West Virginians but for all Americans for the District
of Columbia to be a place that is a shining
example of what America is supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'll pose this to both you guys, if you're TJ
happy to hear your thoughts and JB you as well.
Obviously I understand what you're saying, and actually I buy
into it for the most part, but also, well, you
could make the argument, and I'm willing to listen to it,
that if the voters in Washington, d C. Want to
vote and put people into city council and mayor who
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have established the policies that lead to crime problems, not
just DC, Chicago, New York, in a big city, whatever,
isn't that their progative. Isn't that the voters responsibility the
people who live in d C. Isn't that their problem
to deal with?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I mean, I think the answer to that question is multifaceted,
But the first part of it is is Washington d C.
Is a creature of the federal government. It operates under
a home rule agreement created by Congress that gave them
that authority. It would be very much like I'm trying
to think of a good analogy, and it's not really
popping into my head right now, but Washington d C.
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Has its own government because the federal government lets it. Right,
the federal government could rescind d C's city charter whenever
they wanted and make it a federalized city as it
was for a long time. And yes, the voters of
DC have have authority over what happens within their city
council and their Mayor's office. But like we have been
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talking about this entire time, there is a much greater
purpose for the city of Washington, d C. Which is
why it is so differently created than any other state
in the country.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Right.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
It is a place that has a federal nexus. And
the only reason why DC exists is because Congress gave
them that authority.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Here's why I think Richard Lindsay really got this right
in his decision.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Richard's a great judge and a good guy.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
I think, and he didn't explicitly state this, but I
think it was implied if you listen to some of
the arguments and some of the things he had to
say on the matter. This shouldn't be in the court room,
you know where this should be ballot box. Ballot box,
ballot box. Yeah, and good or bad. Governor Morrissey will
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face the consequence of his decision at the ballot.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Box, as will I and as will a Trump. Right,
and at the end of the day, my job is
to defend state law. And Judge Lindsay has very specifically
and succinctly stated that our governor and the President had
the authority to dispatch National guardsmens to Washington, d C.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
That is our state law. That is the law that
was created by Richard Lindsay in Kanawha County.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
He's JB. McCuskey. He's the state attorney in general. You
could read Brad mcilhenny's story over at wv metronews dot com.
JB always a pleasure. Thanks for stopping by this morning.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Hey tell handsome, JB. I said, what's up? Well, no way,
you got to do that to yourself. I mean, I'm
not like, I'm not JB. By the way, he's my delegate.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
Does that mean because he's your delegate, you have to
call yourself and say that he's handsome.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I mean, I just it doesn't have to.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
Be one of the other. But but but my delegate
has my same name. I'll tell you something's pretty cool.
You married up? So did I?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah, that is That is a a fact that I
recognize every single morning when I wake up.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
JB. Always a pleasure. Aboddy, Thank hey, Thanks, You'll have
a great day with you, Mary, Chris. Is everybody up next?
Australia's kicking you off Facebook? If you're under sixteen, we'll
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Meta has started removing Australian children under sixteen years old
from Instagram and Facebook, as well as threads platforms, a
week before an official teen social media ban begins. Let's
go to Fox News Radios Jonathan Savage. Jonathan, what's happening
down under.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, it's a big change for teenagers in Australia, a
big change for parents, and of course quite a change
for the social media companies. Two and you're right. December tenth,
when the ban officially comes into fourth cource, it'll affect Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube,
x and read It, among others. The Australian governments that
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they want to protect children from harmful content. They want
to protect them from cyber bullying and from grooming. Of course,
is the other side of the coin. Teenagers are no
doubt up in arms at the loss of their social
media Some of them say it disregards right and some
say it'll deny children and teenagers important information that they
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protect them.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
How do you enforce this, Jonathan, Because teenagers are crafty,
by the way, they may figure it out.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But I'm wondering how Australia thinks they'll enforce this.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
The Australian Communications Minister were speaking the other day and
she said, yes, there's going to be withdrawal symptoms. Some
will fight to get back on, some teenagers will find
their way around the technology and keep their accounts, but
what they really want to do is try for parents
and not back down on this one. In terms of enforcement,
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a lot of it is getting these social media companies
to do the enforcement job for them, and in doing so,
any platforms which won't take reasonable steps to block under
sixteens will face find a up to fifty million Australian
dollars that's about thirty three million US and teenagers who
want to prove that they're old enough will have to
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provide a driver's license, government issued ID, or even a
video selfie using technology that can scan their face and
provide an eesting at their edge.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Has there been I'm sure there's been pushback from the
social media firms. What's been their response to this whole process.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, there has been pushback. They oppose this, but they
are pretty much all going to comply with the law.
Meta it's going to get a bit ahead of the
game here the honor of Facebook in Instagram, it's asking
the young users to update their contact details, make sure
their dated birth is accurate, so that when we turn sixteen,
META will be in touch and say, hey, let's get
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your account up and running again. What META also wants
is an alternative law rather than a total band. They
want it to be a case for under sixteen can
give them account if they have parental approval.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I was just getting ready to ask that, what's the
feedback in terms of parents, What are the actual parents saying?
Any organizations coming forward for their viewpoint?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, in general, this is something which is united parents.
There was a large consultation before this came out, and
parents groups surveys generally were widely in favor of all
this and this consultation, but testimony from teenagers and parents,
and they heard about how lives had been damaged by
(20:51):
social media, from the families of teenagers who had taken
their own life because of what they had experienced online
and sometimes because of information I'd advised to receive online
about how to take their own life. What pearents it
seems I've been asking for is some help because you
know how stubborn teenagers can be, and you know how
difficult social media can be. Imagine taking on those two together.
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They're saying, this legislative backup gives peers the tools they need.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Fox News Radios Jonathan Savage, Jonathan always appreciate thanks for
joining us this morning.
Speaker 12 (21:26):
Thank you, take care you as well.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Three or four Talk three or four is the text
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Beckstrom died as a result of the attack. A few
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prayer last night at a vigil in Martinsburg for Wolf,
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Three or four Talk three or four is the tax
line eight hundred seven sixty five eight two five five
the phone number. Let it out. Well, that last statement
that Jonathan made is the one that just about I
fell out most fell out of my chair. Stubborn teens
parents need tools from the government to handle their stubborn teams.
Let me tell you, brother, my dad had all the
tools necessary to make my stubborn hind end do what
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I was supposed to do. And he got ten to
time or two, didn't it. My dad once told me,
I think I've told this story on the air before
I'll tell it again.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I was a you know, I'm a big dude. I
was a big you know in high school, played offensive line,
so I was big. My dad's five eight, one hundred
and fifty pounds soaking wet. Yeah, and you know you're sixteen.
You think you're ten feet tall in bulletproof And I
thought it was. And he reminded me one time. He said,
I don't care how big you are, you're nothing. A
two before upside your head can't fix well. And I
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am ninety nine percent certaintyj That was not a threat,
but a promise and a guarantee. Let me tell you
what's gonna happen with this. Kids are gonna get a VPN.
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
They're gonna work their way around it. Even if you
managed to shut down the VPN, They're gonna digitally create
an ID that he talked about having it. And look,
I get it's I'm not being PEJORTI of Jonathan. He's
just reporting the story. Sure they'll they'll get that digital ID,
they will use a different image.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I really started about cracking up.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Now they're gonna have to submit an image and it's
gonna be digitally scanned and all this kind of stuff,
and I'm like, yeah, bottom line, I'm sure the intent
is gonna you know what, dave parents have to step up. Yes,
and social media is dangerous. Let's not dismiss that for
one second. Look what just happened with this this young man,
so unfortunate in Nitro, and what these folks were able
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to do, And my heart just breaks for his family.
And frankly, whoever did that, I'd like to it should
be cruel and it should be unusual, whatever their punishment is.
But the best thing you can do is apparent is
keep them off of it and or till they're age appropriate,
and then discussions, discussions, discussions, because people, bad things are
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going to happen, nefarious actors are going to come after them.
I just I don't know that you can I don't
know that you can legislate your way out of this.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So anyway, good thing, there's nothing like that going on
here in West Virginia legislature, poking around where it doesn't
need to be glad. That's not easy here easy. The
voice you hear is, by all accounts and reports from
the previous guest, the better looking JB.
Speaker 16 (27:42):
I've never agreed. I've never agreed with our ag Moore
and when he referred to me as a handsome JB.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Kanawha County delicate, JB acres joining us in studio because
there is talk, among other things, heading into the twenty
six legislative session, we might be talking about high school
sports and transfer eligibility rules once again. So JB, what's
the problem and what do we how do we resolve it?
Speaker 17 (28:07):
Well, we'll get to that in just a minute.
Speaker 16 (28:09):
First, I want to say, Dave, I didn't know that
your dad was hacksaw Jim duggan carrying the two by
four around the house, so it sounds like that was
a pretty rough environment. I also want to just I
would say this daily until there's some hopeful final resolution,
but just continue in prayers for the Vectan family and
the Wolf family. Obviously that situation is not over and
aside from you know, comfort for the vection rooms and
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healing for the Wolf family. We need justice for those
folks as well.
Speaker 17 (28:33):
So I just want to put it out there.
Speaker 16 (28:35):
As far as the high school transfer a portal thing,
I want to tell people, you know, first of all,
it's not the most pressing issue in the world. I know,
you know, jobs and the economy and tore the things
that I focus on the most as a legislator. In
the off season, I spend the vast majority of my
time on job issues and try and create a better
economy and on constituent services.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's what I mostly do.
Speaker 16 (28:53):
But you can't say that this high school transfer a
portal thing is not important at all.
Speaker 17 (28:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 16 (28:59):
We hear a lot of complaints from coaches and administrators
and athletic directors in the state of West Virginia and
from parents, and you know, it's our job as legislators.
If someone comes to us with a concern, we can't say, well,
we don't care. I mean, sometimes we'll explain to him,
will we think that we can't do something or maybe
something shouldn't be done. But I think on this one,
there's been enough a concern express over the past couple
of years since this rule has opened up that we
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need to take a second look at it and see
if we can come up with a reasonable compromise and
do some positive changes to it. And you know, one
of the main reasons I just hit it at as
you know, we talk all the time about what a
positive influence that coaches have on our kids as they
grow up, and the athletic directors who devote a ton
of time. I mean, all my kids have been publicly schooled.
I still have two who are in public school right now,
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in the AD at our twins school. They're both seniors.
The AD at their school. I mean, he is always
at the events. You know, He's always, you know, making
sure he's visible in part of that process. And you know,
we should be respectful. I am I saying that he's
approached me about this situation, but I'm just saying, these
people spend a lot of time in this environment and
we should be respectful telling us and a lot of them,
I think it appears to be most of them have
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concerns about the way the process is right now.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Dave has a better question than I do. Dave, I
know you want to ask it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Go oh, I was going to save it for at
least a couple of questions. So I read what Dana
Ferrell has proposed. He proposed them last year, he's going
to bring it up again this year. Jab it's awfully
similar to what the transfer rule was prior. So why
do we need more legislation? Why not just repeal the
transfer rule and let the s SAC and the members
schools who make up the SSAC set the policy.
Speaker 16 (30:32):
I think from a practical standpoint, it may be difficult
to get a consensus of legislators on board to just
completely get rid of the system we have now, and
that may be possible once the discussion starts. But you know,
that bill that Delegate Farrell had last year didn't really
gain much traction. So I don't know if a complete
overhaul and reversion back to what we had before would
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have the best chance of passing, you know. So, and
let me get this straight as well. We should probably
know this. It's not like kids couldn't transfer before. You
had to acquire a waiver, and I know that it
sometimes could be difficult and some people had their waivers
rejected obviously, but it's not like a transfer was impossible before,
but you had to get a waiver. So you know,
is there a compromise between the old system and what
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we have now. I mean, I don't know, something has
to be done. I'm not really concerned as much with
the technical process we're going to do. I mean, eventually
we'll have to get into that, and I think people
like Delegate Ferrell will spent more time on maybe what
the bill should look like. My concern is more holistic
in terms of you know, we had this discussion about
what's the purpose of a public school, what's the purpose
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of team sports at a public school?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well we've forgotten that.
Speaker 16 (31:40):
Yeah, I mean, listen, all of my kids played sports
grown up. My youngest daughter just finished for last, you know,
high school soccer season ever, and they all started playing
sports when they're very little. Sports are extremely important, but
they're not the most important thing in the world. And
some parents, I mean, don't get mad at me, but
some parents lose their minds over their children's sports, and
I think they lose focus on what they're about. And
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some of that I think has blowed over into this
area where the transfer portal has been seen as something
that's supposed to facilitate pure individualism in sports. It's funny
I put up a post about this a few weeks ago,
just saying, hey, I think we should revisit this and
look at it. I mean I didn't say aything controversial.
I say, hey, let's take a look at this again,
see if we can fix it. And some guy came
on there and call me a communist because I said that,
you know, community schools are important, and I think that,
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you know, there's more to a community school than just
the pure individual achievement when it comes to team sports,
and that somehow made me a communist. I guess, which
that's where we are some days on these issues. But
you know, community school schools serve a purpose that's bigger
than the individual students. We want them all to achieve
and succeed, be the very best they can. But it
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is a community and we call it that for a reason.
And team sports, I've said this before, they're a metaphor
for life. I mean, you guys work in a company TJ.
You can't come in this studio as much as you
want some days and just set your own agenda. You've
got some rules you got to follow, and you've got
people you answer to, and they probably give you a
lot of lee away and trust you, but you know,
you have to follow some rules within this company. And
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you may not always like your boss or what your
boss says. You know, our kids may not always like
their teachers or their professors. But that doesn't mean you
just pack up your bags and say, well, I'm going
to do my own thing and and and move on
and so like if your kid and listen, our kids
have had a few coaches who I wasn't super happy
with at times, and our kids have complained to me
and their mom, uh you know, their their their mom
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whose job is to judge things and so, and we've
told them, We've said, look, you're gonna have to learn
to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
This is this is called life.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Now.
Speaker 16 (33:38):
If your coach is being abusive or something like that,
that's different. But if I'm just talking about if you
disagree with the coaching style or playing time. We've told
our kids, we said, look, you're going to have teachers
who treat you unfairly. You're gonna professors who treat you
that way. If you go to colleagues and you're gonna
have coworkers and bosses who treat you unfairly, and you
have to learn to persevere and deal with that, and
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you have to, you know, succeed despite that. And that's
one of the things team sports teaches you is life's
not always fair.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Amen. So you know folks who are.
Speaker 16 (34:09):
Like, well, I don't like the amount of playing time
my kids getting, so I'm gonna send them to a
different school. You know, if your parent, I absolutely respect
your choice as a parent to do what's best for
your kid. But I don't know if that in and
of itself would be the right reason to say we're
just gonna move kids around and let them just go
from one school the next. Now, academically, that's a different
Let's get this straight. I think kids should be able
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to transfer for academic reasons much more broadly. Yeah, But
if you're talking about just purely team sports, which again
team sports, I have a different view on that.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
What you just brought up I was going to suggest
to you, and it sounds like you would agree. That's
what's getting lost in my mind. And look, I'm not
as vested. My nephew, who was mister Sports, he's in
college now, right, So I'm not as vested maybe as
I used to be. My kids are still too young.
But I feel like lawsuit after lawsuit over this issue
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and this issue, changing the rules because it's not fair.
Kids are missing that lesson in that reality that hey, newsplash,
life is not fair. It's not and you are going
to have to overcome these hurdles in and of your
own accord. You're not just going to be able to
run to court every time something goes wrong and file
a lawsuit. I'm not being I'm not being critical of
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filing lawsuits. There's a place for adjudication, you understand what
I'm saying, But just teaching kids that.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Hey, go file a suit, go fillow suit, go fight.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I we're missing that and that's a problem because we're
teaching our children that if life isn't fair, that they
shouldn't have to try to overcome it. They can just
go take legal action or complain here or there and
it'll all be made better for them. I think it's
softening our kids.
Speaker 16 (35:51):
Yeah, well, I mean it's someone who I mean, I'm
a lawyer in my day job, but I'm not in
the legislature. And I think that you know, some of
these lawsuits I've seen filed, I have an I've been
a fan of Frankly, I can say that, and I'll
tell you this too, Like, you know, when I was
grown up, you know, I played sports. I actually got
a Division one scholarship to play sports in college. So
I've been through this process and you know, I know
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what it's like, and also know that you're certainly going
to have some kids who are going to fight their
way and work harder than their talent and they're going
to achieve above and beyond what people expected of them.
Speaker 17 (36:23):
But by and.
Speaker 16 (36:24):
Large, you can be a kid. If you have that
level of talent, people are going to recognize it, I think,
no matter where you are. And I also think like
there's a certain level of on fairness as well for
the kids who have you know, fought hard and practiced
and worked their tails off in a particular community school
and all of a sudden, now we're saying, well, we
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have these other kids are going to transfer in and
take your spot from you, and like, what's your recourse?
Then now you've got to transfer to another school as
well to you know, to try and get play time
in this sport that you love and you know you
may only have a year or two left and it's
an important part of your life and you've worked hard
to be started, and you have it and someone comes in,
I mean, shybe.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That happened a school near my home. A bunch of
people transferred in, they stayed a year and they laugh.
Guess what all the other kids didn't want to fool
with it. Now that they can't, they can barely field teams.
Speaker 16 (37:10):
Yeah, I mean, and you know, you have some high
schools in West Virginia this year who, for the first
time that in better members, did not have a high
school football team. So is that a better I mean,
that's one of the outcomes of this law. So if
anyone says, don't mess with it, we should always just
leave this up to the parents, which I generally in
favor of that view, But there have certainly been negative
consequences to this. We can't deny it. And when you
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have West Virginia high schools who no longer can even
field a football team for the first time in their history,
that is a negative consequence of this. And we think,
I think we have an obligation to look at this
law and say, can we do something to make it
better where you still respect the parents' choices, the kids
rights to do what's best for them, but also make
it so that our public community schools are robust and
that the team sports aspect of the schools is preserved
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in a way that we are actually teaching kids how
to be better citizens, better co workers, you know, better
husbands and wives, and then grew up how to play
for a team, how to know what personal personal sacrifice means.
Those things are important. And if you have some kids TJ,
like you said, you don't play at all, they're going
to miss those lessons.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So let me throw my two cents in here. One.
I totally respect your first answer, JB. And I hadn't
thought of it in that context that basically the toothpaste
is out of the tube and it's impossible to get
it back in. I think the best outcome I personally
would be to get the legislature uninvolved, because they had
a pretty good policy in place that was flexible if
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you moved from one town to another. If you know,
mom or dad got a job and Huntington and had
a move that you weren't going to lose eligibility, or
if you did transfer that and it didn't work out,
you could go back to your home school. So there
was some flexibility built into the old rule. But I
understand that getting the legislature all on board there that
that cat may be well out of the bag. Here's
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the problem. You know what the real problem is, JB.
It's the adults. It's the adults in the room. It's
not the kids. It's the adults. It's the parents who
don't have a good grasp on what's going on. And
let me tell you, coaches can get mad at me.
This weekend, I'm gonna go to the lately field. There's
recruiting going on. There are parents talking to each other.
There are coaches who are talking through parents. I can
tell you right now. There are coaches worried that their
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receivers are going to transfer to another school because that
school's got a better quarterback this year. That school's worried
their quarterbacks going to that school because they got better receivers.
It's the adults in the room, man, It's not the kids.
It's the adults, which is generally the problem when it
comes to any type of youth sports athletic endeavors.
Speaker 16 (39:29):
That's my ch I mean, well, go sit in the
stands and see how the adults act when they don't
like a call from I mean literally like you'll see
like little kids like I remember the first time, you know,
I saw parents getting kicked out of games when our
girls were seven eight years old in youth league soccer.
I'm like, there were parents screaming to the extent that
they were removed from the field at that age. So
I mean, I agree with it that I think mostly
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this is the adults, and it's what we signal to
the kids.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
As adults.
Speaker 16 (39:53):
That's normal and says saying, hey, stay at the school
you're at, learn to persevere, support your brothers and sisters
on your tea. Those are your friends, this is your community.
Instead we're saying, well, if you don't like it there,
we'll just send you somewhere else. And again, there are
times I think they can be appropriate. I might say never,
but you know, one of the things I told someone
else recently too, is when it comes to these public issues,
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there's always got to be a compromise. Otherwise we wouldn't
even have things like public roads that are built because
when you build a road, inevitably somebody is going to
say I don't want that road going through my property.
And I understand that, But if you don't build the
road through someone's property. You don't have a road. So
I view this the same way with public community schools.
And there are other options out there for parents. There's
a lot of travel sports now, there's other things they
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can do. If they're looking for a pure individual experience
for their kid, you can get that in a lot
of different ways. But I think public community schools just
serve a different purpose to me in the same way
that you have something else that's like a public road system.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
You know.
Speaker 16 (40:49):
So I don't think that makes me a communist TJ
and Dave. I could be wrong, you know. If I
am Dave, your dad's got permission to hit me inside
side the head with a tube by four.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't want to be like walking around the house
to be like self. It only the two before, but
that flag with a two by four. I'm just saying
it was an option if necessary. That's all all right, guys. Hey,
we'll look forward to having that debate probably in January
February sometime when some sort of legislation comes up. And
don't forget, by the way, high school FOOTBA championships coming
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up this Friday and Saturday. Lately, Field will preview those
with Joe Broccatto, come over and catch a game or
two this weekend. JB.
Speaker 16 (41:26):
I appreciate that, man. And last time I talked to
you guys, you're desperately trying to dump your talent all
ken View stocks. So I hope you guys are able
to unload all that after that last discussion we had,
I stayed long.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I'm in it to win it. JB. Appreciate jab Acre's
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We'll get back to this conversation that we've been having
for a couple of days now about asking questions. Should
we be asking questions? Are you un American? If you
are asking questions? Are we asking the wrong questions? Why
am I asking so many questions? We'll talk about it.
Coming up at eleven oh six Texas is David tj.
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The legislature needs to look at neighboring states like Ohio
and Pennsylvania to make certain we are at least not
losing players in families by moving out of state. I
believe Ohio now has high school nil in some areas.
Families want what's best for their kids. I would think, yeah,
SSAC has addressed this. I want less legislature. I want
less government and a lot of things. High school athletics
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is one of them. Education is another one of them. Actually,
I would like to have less legislature involved in less government.
I thought that's where Republicans were about, less government, not
more government. Less government. I think I'm not.
Speaker 7 (46:41):
Sure what Republicans are about today. I used to be
considered a conservative. I don't know if I still am
or not. I mean, it's this whole populist right. I
just know I don't get it.
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Are you a communist?
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Now?
Speaker 1 (46:53):
What are you? I don't know.
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Man depends on what day of the week and who
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Speaker 7 (48:45):
Good morning Dave. This caught my eye. Caitlin Collins of
CNN on Twitter. She says, the White House is lowering
the flags to half staff today in honor of US
Army specialist Sarah Beckstrom. So that news coming across the
X machine.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Three or four talk three or four is the tax
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two five five the phone number. So we have been
having this conversation and TJ, if you can go back
to what was that Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, I can't
remember what day it was, but you had the commentary
maybe it's yesterday about asking questions and whether or not
(49:20):
it's patriotic, unpatriotic, loyal, disloyal, or we have some sort
of duty responsibility to ask the question. Summarize what you
wrote there earlier this week at WV Metro News dot com. Yeah,
I'd be glad to.
Speaker 7 (49:33):
So basically, the premise of the piece is this, there
is a narrative that and it's been quiet. It's still quiet,
but it's creeping in more and more into other issues
that are being debated. And that narrative is that if
you question our leaders it is somehow unpatriotic to do so.
And the essence of my commentary was, not only is
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it patriotic to do so, it's our responsibility as citizens
of a republic to question our leaders. There's a reason
we have a First Amendment in this country, and it
was part of the design, the ingenious design of our founders,
to make sure we had the ability if for no
other reason, then power is corrupting and we need to
be in a position to question what our leaders are
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telling us. That was the essence of the piece.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And the impetus for this whole conversation that kind of
started and you'd obviously been thinking about it, but that
started on the show earlier this week was folks asking
questions about the National Guard deployment to DC, what is
the mission? Were they properly equipped, et cetera, et cetera,
And then some of the responses, and in the governor
has been part of the response saying, well, if can
(50:38):
we not just support the guardsmen, as if asking questions
is somehow opposing or not supporting those guards troops. So
that is how we kind of arrived at this point.
Let's bring into the conversation Ashley Horst. She's with the
Stubblefield Institute for Civil Political Communications. She joined the sol
Metro News talk line Ashley, good morning and thanks for
(50:58):
joining us.
Speaker 18 (51:00):
Good morning, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
So why is simply asking the question, as we like
to often say, and maybe just asking the question. Why
is that perceived nowadays as criticism or opposition?
Speaker 14 (51:13):
I think it's because we have stopped asking questions. Actually,
I think that as a nation, our attention has become
so divided that we've abdicated a lot of our responsibility
for self governing to our elected officials. But in fact,
our governing systems were set up to be questioned and
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to allow people to participate through I mean not only
our elections, but also public comment periods that are put
out on pieces of legislation and on proposals. There's built
in with the judicial review opportunity for judges, many of
whom are either elected or appointed, to ask questions of
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our elected officials. And when we don't use that opportunity,
when we don't ask questions and put ourselves as the
public in the governance structure, we lose the ability to
do so. Because those who are in positions of power
become accustomed to not being questioned.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Talk about that aspect of it.
Speaker 7 (52:19):
I think folks would say, at least some Ashley, Oh no, no, no,
the First Amendment is ingrained in the Constitution.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
They'll never be able to weaken it.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
But minus exercising, that just becomes words on a piece
of paper, doesn't it.
Speaker 14 (52:34):
Absolutely Unless we ourselves use our freedoms, we use our
rights in including our right to free speech, to engage
with our legislators, it will be eroded. And so what
we need to do is exercise that right and exercise
it responsibly. And we have been seeing some challenges for
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our legislators when it comes to answering questions. There should
always be questions. However, I think one of the trends
we've seen in our country are the gotcha questions. We're
trying to craft that perfect question that is going to
get the answer that we are then going to turn
around and hammer our elected official with. And we also
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have lost the appreciation that legislation is complex. Legislation is
often a compromise. It should be a compromise. And when
we are trying to find that one little piece that
we can prove that that legislator doesn't support our position,
then it is very challenging for our legislators to engage
(53:42):
in good faith with us, because even when they're trying
to be transparent, they're setting themselves up for a full man.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think you did such a much better job of
articulating what I was trying to yesterday, Ashley. When I
look at media, and especially national news media, look at
look at ourselves here for a moment. MSNBC has an
editorial position. Fox News is an editorial position. So if
I'm of the opposite position of those it we'll just
(54:11):
use those particular networks as examples, Ashley. If if I'm
a Democrat and a Fox News reporters asking me a question,
I've already got the perception there out to get me.
Same if it's MSNBC and it's the Republicans, it's it's
hashtag fake news, you're already out to get me. So
the answers already tainted, the questions already tated, because we've
already and I'm speaking broadly in media and many immedia types,
(54:33):
taken a position on something before we get the information,
before we even have an opportunity for the you know
question period to play itself out, and quite frankly, you
just articulated that very very well.
Speaker 14 (54:45):
Absolutely, and we as citizens need to come into this
these questions and into these conversations with honest curiosity and
not not trying to prove our point, but being willing
to learn, being willing to understand why decisions were made.
Speaker 18 (55:03):
I remember when I.
Speaker 14 (55:04):
Was listening to one of the debates before the last election,
and one of the candidates, who was the incumbent, had
been hammered by another candidate on a specific piece of
legislation that they supported. And after the debate, the incumbent said,
but that was just such a small piece and it
(55:25):
was taken out of context, and you know, I did
it because of these other reasons that were very supportive
of this candidate's positions. But in that you know, thirty
second clip, you lost all of that complexity and the
compromise that had to happen to get that piece of
legislation over the finish line.
Speaker 7 (55:48):
How do we distinguish between gotcha and accountability?
Speaker 14 (55:55):
That's a great question, and I think it comes through
in the follow up questions that we ask that when
we do hear something either you know, if the question
was crafted as a gotcha question, being willing to ask
the next question of well, why why did you vote
this way? Why did you support this bill or not
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support this bill? Why did you take this action and
listening openly and honestly, because when we shut the conversation
down as soon as we've gotten our one little piece
of information we were using to frame that legislator, then
we haven't gotten the true story, and we're not being
honestly curious. We have a lot of self interest in
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it at that point.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
How did we reach this point? Was it just a
gradual I guess it would be a descent, not an uscent.
Was this just a gradual descent? Over twenty years you
look up and then suddenly you're like, man, we can't
even have a conversation anymore. How do we get here? Ashley?
Speaker 14 (56:56):
I think a lot of it is that is ambivalence, honestly,
so we have let our attention become so distracted. There
are so many more things vuying for our attention, the
rise of technology. We've gotten so busy that if you
look at how often we vote, you know, voter rates
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have declined. If you look at civic participation, that has declined,
and the rise of loneliness has creeped in, especially since COVID,
and all of that is because of that disconnect. And
so when we don't speak up, when we don't go
to public meetings, I mean, how many public meetings have
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no people in the public part of the meeting. Then
it allows our legislators to do what they want without
the supervision of the people.
Speaker 7 (57:52):
Tribalism has become so popular, I think because it's easy
to sell and it's easy to fund raise on, and
it's gotten to the point where you are on the
team or you are not on the team, and then
folks who want to be independent, folks who want to
look issue by issue, find themselves marginalized. I mean, look
no further than the Republican primary here that for years
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they needed independence to vote in order to carry enough
to win. And now if you're an independent, can't vote
that primary anymore. Are independents just opting out? And by
opting out, are they getting out of the entire process?
And should they be more vocal now in reclaiming that
role and saying no, no, no, you're not going to frame
me into this.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
I got to be one or the other.
Speaker 14 (58:35):
I think that everybody needs to be more vocal, because
when your moderates on both Republican and the Democratic side,
when your independence aren't vocal, the people you do here
are on the fringes of the party or on another fringe.
It's not necessarily just on the right.
Speaker 18 (58:55):
Or the left.
Speaker 14 (58:56):
And so as a community, as the public, saying that
we're not going to be forced into a box that
I might agree with the Democratic Party in some things
and the Republican Party on others.
Speaker 18 (59:08):
And being willing to.
Speaker 14 (59:11):
Not vote a straight party ticket sometimes because you've considered
the issues, not just whether it's an R or a D.
Those are the things that are important. It's putting in.
It's investing your time, your attention, and your energy into
understanding the issues, voting on the issues, not just which
party you think supports your.
Speaker 18 (59:33):
Issue, and being active.
Speaker 14 (59:36):
Join volunteer, volunteer in your community, Go to the state capitol,
go to our nation's capital.
Speaker 18 (59:44):
Hear what's going on there. Visit in person when you can.
It's about all.
Speaker 14 (59:49):
Of us who are being active, because if all of
us are not active, we're going to be represented by
those who are, and those people sometimes tend to be
those who feel the most strongly about specific issues.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Ashley. We're talking to Ashley Horst with the Doublefield Institute.
What role has the shrinking local newsroom also played in this?
There are very few, if any investigative journalists who are
doing deep dive investigative pieces here in West Virginia. Most
newsrooms are just being pulled left, right, up, down, and
(01:00:22):
sideways just to cover current events. Television stations, newspapers barely
exist in some cases. We do what we can. Obviously,
I think every Capitol reporter this morning is all on
the same panel today. None of them are available to
come on the show. So how has that played a
role in this whole conversation that we're having.
Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
It is really pivotal because when we can't get local news,
when we aren't hearing what our county commissions are doing,
our school boards are doing, it does two things. One,
it hyper focuses us on the national because we are
able to get the national news, and so sometimes it
makes some of the national issues seen bigger and more
(01:01:02):
important than what is happening in our own backyard.
Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
And two, then we don't know what's happening.
Speaker 14 (01:01:09):
And it does allow our elected officials locally and at
the state level to kind of do what they want
to do because that flashlight isn't in there, kind of
poking around in the corners and letting the general public
know what's.
Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Happening in our discourse, whether it's guys like us asking questions,
citizens asking questions, just wanting to have debate, even on
the floor among politicians, it seems we have been overtaken
to some degree by cruelty and hate. Civility is absent
(01:01:48):
from much of these discussions nowadays. I don't know why
that has come to be. Maybe it's always been and
we can just see it more now with media. But
it seems to me that we can't get to the
play that we're talking about, Ashley if we don't care
a little bit about the other guy and treat them decent.
Speaker 14 (01:02:07):
So I'm going to push back on that just a
little bit. I think what we see is that vitriol
and that name calling and that nastiness, because that makes
for good entertainment.
Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
I think what we don't see is the day to.
Speaker 14 (01:02:23):
Day work that is happening on the boring things, on
the things that you know don't make great headline news
because it's something that is administrative, or it just isn't sensational.
So I think there is a lot of collaboration happening.
I think there's a lot of working across lines, and
(01:02:44):
that's both at the federal level and the state level.
And then we have seen in our community actually a
rise in having these conversations because there are people who,
you know, they're tired of the vitriol, they're tired of
the name calling, and so we are pushing ourselves with
(01:03:05):
the Stumblefield Institute, with Shepherd University to have these conversations
in a civil manner and to highlight those who are
doing so. So I would yeah, I would just caution
not to paint with too broad of a brush on
what we're seeing on the headlines versus what's happening day
to day.
Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
All right, Ashley, we got to take a break and
stir things up because we need some more ratings. So
TJ and I are going to go at it in
the next segment. Well, good luck, Ashley, Horace Stubblefield is too.
Thank you so much for the context this morning, appreciate
the discussion. Thank you for having me take a break
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I will go at it virtually coming up here in
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and I will dive into a Supreme Court ruling or
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not a Supreme Court ruling, a court ruling, and a
case that you may have lost track of over the
last oh, I don't know, four years, Texas says. TJ.
Raises a good point. The vitriol and hatred has to stop. Tidbit.
The first time I ever heard vitriol and hatred by
media was during lunch in the nineties on one O
three three in Clarksburg, a Metro News affiliate, when Rush
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Limbaugh called teenager Chelsea Clinton the White House Dog, says
the Texter I think the full quote is power corrupts
and absolute power crups. Absolutely that we are even asking
the question about is it okay to ask questions or
is it disloyal to ask questions? Shows us where we
are and where a few have taken us. FYI, MSNBC
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no longer exists. It's now ms now, a cable news
channel owned by Versant, a subsidiary of Comcasts, pending its
spin off to their shareholders in twenty twenty six. Yes,
I know, and I've seen the rebranding, but I would
venture most of you probably haven't, is my guess. Anyway,
back to the Texter's point about the vitriol and the hatred,
(01:06:50):
TJ he's right or she's right. I don't know if
it's a here she that person's right, you're right, And
we've seen this from both sides. Especially, it feels like
it really cranked up. And maybe it's because I was
more becoming more aware doing you know, through this, through
this role in this job. Feels like it really cranked
up twenty twenty in COVID and moving forward from there,
(01:07:13):
Does it have to do with Trump getting elected in sixteen?
Does it were we headed in that direction? I don't
have the answer, but and that's a feeling. It's a
gut feeling that's not certainly not scientific, but it certainly
feels that way.
Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
And it's not just pushing back on what Ashley said.
The focus maybe state or federal. I even see it locally.
I was at a board meeting board of education meeting
locally a few years back. Someone who didn't like a
position that the board member had brought in blow ups,
had some how found pictures of this board member's children
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and started disparaging the children as a means of attacking
the board member. Come on, do you think we project?
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
And what I mean is we see these national issues,
these issues something that happens in Portland, Oregon, or San
Francisco or DC, and we feel left out and we
want to get involved. So then you go to the
board meeting and just because you disagree with the policy,
they're a communist or they're a raving right wingers? Some
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do you think we project? Sometimes? And that that gets
us in this trap of you know, top down, national down.
I didn't articulate that well, but no, you did.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
I know where you're going. I'm gonna give you my
honest opinion here. There are some people. They don't care
about solutions. They just want to set the fire. I
believe that's and that's that's how they get their kicks.
Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I believe Christopher Nolan wrote that line, didn't it isn't
that Dark Knight. Some people just want to see the
world burn. That's the joker. Oh, come on, TJ. You've
seen the Dark Knight, haven't you? But I can't remember
to quote it? Okay, okay, questioning our nerdiness here, Jake
is that dark Knight? That's Dark Knight right in the
Batman trilogy. Jake doesn't know either.
Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
I read it in an article a while back about
wanting it to burn. I agree with it. I forget
what article it was, but it may come from Batman too,
I don't know.
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Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Three oh four talk three or four is the text line.
You assume most of you haven't to your reckoning talk
line now will be only for card carrying mega worshippers
of crying out lab Listen. You want to know why
I assume. But people have things to do in life,
and I bet I'm just going to go on a
lemon bets. Folks aren't going around going you know. You
know MSNBC's now ms NOW. We still call X Twitter
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And how long has it been X? Does the now
stand for it's supposed to stand for something? Right? I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
I thought if I were Microsoft, I'd be a little ticked.
I'd want my name off of that completely.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Amen. But it has nothing to do with like I'm
assuming the demographics of the audience, or I'm assuming what
the audience wants to. Just assume you got stuff to
do and you haven't been sitting around going, well, you know,
it's ms NOW mercy and this is part of the problem,
and we'll put a bow for the conversation for now, TJ.
That's part of the problem is we assume we have
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these perceptions already, whether we are the questioners or the
interviewe or the interview were or we're in the public,
we already have these preconceived notions and going in with
an open mind to gather information with curiosity. It's hard
to do it. It's a lot of people don't do it.
(01:13:55):
They go in and they either want affirmation or they
want they go in wanting the fight. Like you you
pointed out a little bit ago.
Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
I would hope there are still enough people who want
to listen to a show like this that just don't
want to be in an echo chamber and hear everything
they believe pandered back at them. I also think that
this show is different in that, look, if we screw
up or somebody doesn't agree Boom text line, I mean,
it's ultimate accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
We hear it, trust me, well, I'll and all. A
couple of Texters I lost the text asked about layup questions.
We ask layup questions. You know why we pose a
layup question to It's an opportunity for say a lawmaker
to explain their like, explain their position, and then we
can start to get into the you know, the whys
(01:14:43):
and the hows and whether we're poking holes in banded
legislation or trying to understand where somebody's coming from. You
got to establish a little bit if you come in
guns blazing, and every time, nobody's going to want to
come on here. If you know, Dave and TJ are
a couple of you know, pick your adjective there whatever, Now, right,
you got to give up people an opportunity to explain
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where they're coming from, explain their point of view, and
then you get into the now Wait a minute, hang on,
here's a perfect example, TJ. Brian Helton, Senator Helton came on.
We gave him an opportunity to explain his energy legislation,
and then you've followed up with some pretty tough questions
about it. Right, Yeah, that is a pretty tense conversation,
(01:15:27):
but it was a good conversation. Y'all didn't brawl in
the parking lot afterward, did you. No? No, not that
I recall, you know, And that's that ought to be
the conversation we have that we're not fighting each other. Yeah,
we're having tough conversations. Hopefully that improves the legislation down
the road. Because somebody asked questions and pointed out if
there are holes or deficiencies in it.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
Yeah, well, one of the things you do really well
that I've tried to do a better job at, and
there's still more room for improvement. You let people go
a little bit and look, there's a place to step
in if they're getting too far down. But it's important
that we hear from these people directly. People don't want
to hear us, They want to hear from those people.
So you do a good job at that. I've tried
to do a better job and taken that learning from you.
(01:16:11):
But look, are we perfect?
Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
No.
Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
I'd also say this, Every football team, every basketball team
has a few warm ups, right, few tune up games
before they get into the guts of it. So I
don't think we have that. You know, right out of
the gate camer somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Not everybody's Mike Tyson gets the knockout in the first round.
Sometimes exactly, you got to feel out the fight a
little bit prior. All right, I want to get into
this and we're gonna probably spend some more time on
this next week. We were sorting it through. I think
it's about a thirty nine page ruling that came out
of Canawll County Circuit Court yesterday Westerndia's charter school systems
under a permanent injunction after a circuit judge's Thursday ruling
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and a case stretching back I think it was Wednesday
Wednesday rulings, or maybe it was last week anyway, stretching
back several years. The legal challenge was brought by Sam
Brennette of Marion County and Robert McLeod of Knawa County,
both parents and educators. They can they would suffer irreparable
harm if the charter schools were created without consent of
a majority of voters in the county or counties in
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which the charter schools operate. The injunction, which included a
sixty day stay to maintain the status quo for any
appeals process, enjoined the West Virginia Professional Charter Schools Board
from authorizing any new charter schools without consent of the
affected county voters. This would not affect operations of the
eight charters already approved by the state Oversight Board. Second,
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the order tries to take into account reasonable time for
the legislature and governor to respond by having special elections
to get the consent of voters with charter schools in
their communities, or by taking related legislative or executive action.
Brad mclhenny writes, if there is no action taken, or
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the voters were to reject those charter schools, then somewhere
down the line they could be discontinued. The challenge was
based on a section of stateitution that says no independent
free school, district or organization shall hereafter be created, except
with the consent of the school district or districts out
of which the same is to be created, expressed by
a majority of voters voting on the question. So go
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read Brad Mackwhenney story at WV Metro News dot com.
But CJ, as we often say, this is not the
end of this story. No, it's not.
Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
It's going to be appealed and it will go back
to the Supreme Court. And Dave, I did have a
chance to read more deeply into the order a bit
this morning in the nine o'clock hour, and the more
I read full disclosure. When you and I talked this morning,
I was like, I really don't know where I'm at
on this yet. And the more I read, the more
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I personally believe from my lay perspective, which means nothing,
I think the judge got this wrong, and I think
that it should be appealed and overturned. This idea of
Section ten in Article twelve talks about what the Constitution
says in terms of school districts. When you look back
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at why that was put in, that was to prevent
the legislature from carving up school districts, not to block
the legislature from creating new kinds of schools. And you
see that they've done that. This idea of independent, well,
you've got independent vocational schools. I was reminded of that,
you have magnet schools. This definition of independent has to
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do with taxing authority. Charter schools aren't a distinct taxing authority.
I mean they draw their money from revenue sources that
are already created. The other point, and this one, I
think is really where it goes above and beyond. This
idea that we'll have an election that's nowhere in the constitution.
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Wasn't a law the legislature passed. Is just to say
we'll have an election on whether or not it's not codified.
It's kind of came in out of thin air. How
do you do that? How does a judge say, well,
we'll have an election in the county on these issues.
I don't think a judge has that broad of authority.
Maybe I'm missing something. Someone can tell me. If I am,
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i'd be glad to hear it, but that I don't
like when new law is created from the bench, especially
something on this. And as my lay read of this
comes in, I'm afraid we're getting close to that.
Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 13 (01:20:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yes, And I'll stop short of saying whether I think
the judge was right or wrong, because, as we have
famously said many times, not an attorney. But I'll come
on up from this perspective. To you, Jay, it seems
very impractical to me now that we are, what three years,
three four years into public charter schools. Since they have
been established, there are brick and mortar buildings, there have
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been significant investments into those facilities, there are students who
are attending these schools, and they are expanding. It seems
very impractical now three four years after the fact. Let's
say the judge got it right, then the legislature's going
to have to take some sort of action because it
seems very impractical to hold an election where you can
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certainly drive people to the polls to vote against something
and then have to disband the How is that? How
would that ever be in the best interest of students
if this is what this is all about, So come
back after the fact and disband it and then send
them I guess you tell the parents tough you now
have to go to blank school in this district or whatever.
That does not seem practical or like it's in the
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best interest of the students at this point. And your
point is well taken.
Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
My saying the judge got it wrong, let me say this,
let me rephrase, revise, and extend my remarks.
Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Please.
Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
I don't understand how the judge could conclude that she
can authorize an election on this issue and we'll have
a vote on whether or not the county's going to
allow That seems like that was invented. Maybe that's somewhere
else in the law and I missed it. Absolutely possible,
somebody pointed out to me. But I just I question
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why a judge can say, well, we'll just have an
election on this, And that's the part that I find
very confusing.
Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
And like I said, this came out what sometime yesterday afternoon,
so trying to sort through the legal leese. Of course,
Brad McElheny always does a marvelous job of sorting through
those and summarizing. And we're going to reach out Sam
Burnette from Marion County. He teaches or taught I think
he may have retired now at Morgantown High or Robert MacLeod.
We'll get one of these guys on the show. We'll
talk about it, get their perspective on it, and ask
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them questions. But like I said, from a practical matter,
I mean, we're three four years down the road here,
is that in the best interest to go back retroactively
and try to approve or reject these public charter schools.
Seems like, like we said earlier, cats out of the
bag at this Yeah, And I don't know how you
would pull those back.
Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
Maybe you can stop from moving forward. And I know
this injunction does that She's not saying that those charter
schools that have already been approved have to close today
because she understands there's going to be appeal. That's the
way I read the order, right.
Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So you have that.
Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
But even even if this goes and the Supreme Court
says yep, you have to have an election and everything,
I would think you have to have a carve out
for what you've already created. That just doesn't seem appropriate
that now you pull the carpet out from under what
is it three charter schools now something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I think there's eight eight? Wow, not counting very well today.
Speaker 7 (01:23:22):
Well, a couple of them are actually brick and mortar,
and I know there's a few virtual virtual academies. I
don't see any point of pulling the rug out from
under what's already been done.
Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Three or four talk three or four. Read Brad back
on honey story at WV metro news dot com. Like
I said, I think we'll talk some more about this
early next week, get a little bit more in detail
as we have some more time to digest the legal
eese of the matter coming up. He could be a lawyer,
he's brilliant enough to be. Metro News Sports Joe Roccato
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High school football championships kick off tomorrow at noon Morgantown
versus Martinsburg in the Class four A title game. We'll
get things started. Joe Bricado is the hardest working man
in sports media. He joins us on Metro News talk
line this morning. Joe, good morning, Dave.
Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
Don't worry, You're not the only one that's so confuses
Twitter at X. My brain doesn't recalibrate that quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Yeah, I mean, we might need another five years before
we officially start calling it what it's actually called. So Joe,
let's start with us for a matchup tomorrow. Martinsburg Bulldogs,
going for the third straight championship, take it on the Mohegans,
back in the title game for the first time since
two thousand and five, and it's.
Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
The only one of the four matchups that is a
regular season rematch, although Princeton Nitro did play in a
scrimmage game prior to the year. But back in Week seven,
Martinsburg handed Morgantown they were bone loss, thirty four to six.
Martinsburg head coach State Walker was pretty quick to say
that he thought that game was a lot closer than
the score line indicated. The game kind of got stretched
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out late. But you know, if you're Morgantown, even though
you have lost to Martinsburg, it's probably beneficial to have
a full game against them, to know what they like
to do and to you know, get good sense of
their tendencies in personnel. Yes, it's a great challenge to
go up against Martinsburg, and when Martinsburg gets to the
state championship game, that's usually game, set and match in.
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The Bulldogs generally take home the title, as they've done
eleven times since twenty ten. But I'm sure Morgantown's looking
forward to the challenge and the.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Opportunity class triple A. Joe, let's go.
Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
There should be a fun matchup of two offenses that
are very prolific, but I think defenses that are underrated.
Princeton and Nitro. Both teams have tremendous skilled players on
offense that obviously get the line share of the attention.
Princeton led by their outstanding receiver and running back Brad
Moser and a three year starter quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
In Chance Parker.
Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
Nitro has talent all over the field, led by WBU
signed ee Malachai Thompson. The Rod Parks just signed with
North Carolina yesterday. Davie Pattinson signed with Morgan State. See
they've got three Division one players in terms of overall talent,
Triple A takes the back seats and nobody.
Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah, Joe, that game has the potential to be like
sixty five sixty four by the end of the night.
There could be a lot of offense Saturday Night in
that Triple A game.
Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
Yeah. I mean, if you do look at the offensive
players and the numbers that both of those offenses have
put up. Yes, but again, I do believe that those
defenses look Chapin or Nitro hell Chapin bullet at thirteen
points in the semi final last week, and Princeton found
a way to shut out Spring Valley and that's a
tremendous p of effort that they were able to put
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up in the semi finals. So I do think the
defenses do garner a good deal of respect on both.
Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Sides, Hi, Joe, Class DOUBLEA. It'll be Frankfurt and Bluefield
Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Second year in a row, these teams are meeting in
the playoffs, and you've got a couple of veteran head
coaches that have been highly successful. And it's interesting because
Frankfort Kevin White has said to everybody who would listened
last year, Hey, I just want to get one more
champion or one championship before my coaching career is done.
And now that he finds himself on the doorstep of another,
he's like, yeah, you know, I'd kind of like to
get a second. And Bluefield is led by the Dean
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of State coaches Brett Simon in his fortieth year and
five titles to his name, leaving that program so tremendous coaches,
tremendous teams. That should be a good one to open
up things on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Class single A. Wheeling Central has what twelve championships in
its program history, cleavit Tell making its first title appearance.
Speaker 6 (01:30:56):
Yeah, and Clayvetel is the newcomer to the field. All
the other teams have played in the state championship before,
but Clay Mittel's this is their first benship to the
state championship and a tremendous job their second year head
coach and still the program's all time leading rusher at
Kleayvittel and Aaron Lepou. He's done a fantastic job getting
that team to win twelve consecutive games. They've lost their opener,
(01:31:17):
they haven't loost since and everybody knows what Reeling Central is.
They've got the championships and the pedigree and a record
of success, and they've played at difficult of a schedule
as anybody in the States. So I'm curious to see
how that one plays out tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
It all kicks off tomorrow at noon with the Class
four to eight championship game. Morgantown and Martinsburg will have
every game for you on the Metro News Radio Network.
Pregame covered starts about fifteen minutes prior to kickoff. Of course,
you can watch the games as well on the Metro
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Malone and the rest of the crew, will have comprehensive
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(01:31:54):
the whole nine yards. Joe appreciate you coming on and
see it. Downt Laateleyfield tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
Quick pregame coverage on the Metro News TV app with
Greg Carey, myself and Jeff Jenkins helping out a great
deal on pre and postgame coverage.
Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
That's all coming up this weekend. Joe seeing Charles Someboddy,
Thank you, Thank guys, take a break, Wrap it up.
This is talk Line from the Cove Insurance Studios.
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(01:34:20):
Ladley Field. I recommend you turn on the Metro News
TV app and then turn the volume down turn the
radio up. I'm just throwing that out there as an option,
but I'll be over there, so please give TJ your
full and undivided attention tomorrow as I'll be over there
to win some championship football. TJ. Maybe I'll talk to
you tomorrow I'm not sure yet. We'll see, yeh, we'll see.
(01:34:42):
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