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Speaker 1 (00:13):
God is great, there's good.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And people are crazed and well, I think that everyone
could probably agree with that. Wall been ma want a
break to high? Sit down? Fine, why would you go
(00:40):
to Ohio? It's Michael Patrick Shields with you through the
AT and T microphones radio stations across the state of
Michigan and worldwide at m I Big show dot com.
If you listen to the A list Our podcast by
Attorney Andrew A. Bood, he speaks to interesting people and
actually spoke to me in a day to those interesting people,
(01:02):
and it's listed wherever you get your podcasts, but it's
called the A List Hour And most recently interviewed Curtiser
of Chella Junior, the Democrat party chair, and they talked.
And there are some others on there too, including Dan
Olson from Michigan who played on the PGA tour. And
we may have a clip. Do we have a clip?
(01:23):
Should we play it a little bit later? I think
we should because Anthony Foorlini's on the line right now,
the Mcomb County Clerk, former state representative, Republican candidate for
Secretary of State. Thank you for being here and welcome
to the program. Happy New Year to.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You, Patty new your MPs. It's great to be on
your show. I appreciate it. I'm looking outside. It looks like,
right after I get done here, we have to shovel
the snow here today.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Don't they have people for that at your level? I
don't know. This is Michigan. We're all in it together,
aren't we.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's right, that's right, that's okay. We haven't had much
here on the east side of the state, so little
bit now doesn't hurt us.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Good thing it is an election day, or people wouldn't
be going to the poll. Wait a minute, they can
mail in their vote and I don't know, maybe someday
they'll be able to vote on their smartphone and they
won't have to go anywhere at all. But that's a
long way off. When the voting system that we have
right now, which we thought was most dependable, turns out
it might not.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Be well, you know, you know, there's so many things
out there, and I'm the kind of guy that likes
proof before I say anything. And it was kind of
crazy in our office. We had a situation where we
had so many jurors that were non citizens that we had,
(02:42):
you know, let them off of jury duty, and I
started thinking about that just a couple of months ago.
I says, wait a minute, how did you even get
in this? How is that even possible? You know, we
don't have seventeen year olds coming in for jury duty.
Why is it we have non set since being qualified?
And then it occurred to me on the other end,
(03:03):
wait a minute, I'm going to put these names up
against the qualified voter file and see what was going on. Well,
we had two hundred and thirty nine over a short
period of time the last four months that were non
citizens on the qualified voter roll I'm sorry, on the
jury pool. Fourteen of those were actually on the QVF.
(03:28):
So that's a problem. We had fourteen non citizens show
up that they potentially could have walked in and voted
at any of the precincts that they're registered in. This
is a major problem because this is a small sampling,
and we're going to look a little bit deeper into this,
a little bit further back. We're going to continue looking
at it forward because in that sampling of fourteen, twenty
(03:50):
one percent of them three actually voted. They have a
voting record. One of them actually voted multiple times. So
we heard about the student over in ann Arbor, made
a big deal about the Chinese citizen that voted. Well,
we got three, now three more, and it's a small sampling.
(04:11):
I think this is bigger than anyone ever realized.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Do you think that it's people who just don't understand
how it works or how it's supposed to work, or
they are operating in a farious way purposely to vote
when they know they're not qualified too.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, there's obviously a hole in the system. And let's
be honest, a foreigner that's been here, maybe living in
this country for a period of time with a green card,
fills something out, is that it's so simple to get
in It says am I a US citizen. Well, they
might be thinking, yeah, I live in Clinton Township. I've
been living here my whole life or a good part
of my life. Yeah, I'm a citizen. Well that answer
(04:52):
would be not proper. But with a language bearer, there
might have been an innocent mistake. Let's just assume that
for moment's sake, right, But then it goes further down.
Here's the real tricky part. If you don't there's a
box that says, if you don't have a driver's license.
If you don't have a Michigan ID, and you don't
have a social scurity number, check this box. Now you're in.
(05:13):
It's that simple to get into vote if you're a
non citizen. And I say that it's illegal, but some
people just don't understand the ramifications of that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And when they go to vote, they have to show
some form of ID right that matches their name on
that list.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, they don't necessarily have to write I mean that
they're on the list. And that's why there is so
much controversy, you know right now that we want people
Now this petition that's going around that is talking about
the must be a citizens citizens only voting, that is
(05:52):
going to be critical. And and you know what the
system squad to allow people in that easy. It really
should be on and the onus of the Secretary of
State's office. Then when they get an application to register
to vote, there should be a national database that can
go to yes or no? Is that person a US citizen?
If it's yes, you're in. If it's a no, it
(06:13):
stops there. It shouldn't be self reporting. Self reporting is dangerous.
It could affect face it could affect jury trials, we're
a person who wants the honor of being a juror,
not a citizen. Checks it off wrong, it's self reporting,
and all of a sudden they find themselves on a
jury trial. You know, we're expected to be judged by
(06:35):
our peers, American peers, not foreign peers. So this is
a bigger problem than just voting. I think it's a
little bit more widespread, and we as citizens need to
take back control of our voting and of our jury process.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So if somebody says to you, Anthony Foorlaney, candidate for
Secretary of State, well it's just one Chinese student in
a couple people here and there. You know, elections are
decided by much bigger numbers than that. How can that
be really important? How do you answer that?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, listen, every vote matters, every vote counts. It's you know,
there's three just in mccon County and a very small sampling.
This is much bigger than that. And the once we
start putting these numbers out and we start looking further
into it, and we're going to put a little bit
of how we did it to all the corks across
(07:30):
the state, say this is how we found it. Here's
how we went about it. You may want to apply
this method against your own database and see what you have.
I'm going to be interested to see how this number
starts multiplying. It.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is it presumed that somebody who's not a citizen and
gets to vote is going to vote Democrat for some reason.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
No, No, this isn't what that's about. It's the sanctity
of the ballot itself. It doesn't matter who you are.
I mean, if they're voting republic I'm sure Democrats would
be pretty upset. But it just seems like right now
it's a one sided argument that Republicans are arguing that
citizens should be only voting now. I say that, but
it's really an eighty percent rule that everybody is out there.
(08:14):
But you know, I don't want to make it a
partisan thing. I want to make it an issue that
we got to fix. We have to fix it, and
if we all get together to fix it, there shouldn't
be any opposition. Let's just fix it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Getting the nomination of your party to be the candidate
for Secretary of State because it's not a primary vote,
seems like one of the most complicated and difficult things
to do. So we salute you for going through that process,
and the microphones are open to you when you want
to talk as that unfolds. He is Macomb County Clerk
and was a state representative. He's Anthony Forlini and you
(08:50):
can hear the passion in his voice about getting it
right beyond partisan politics. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
This is Chris Buck with Michigan Reimagined podcast. And when
it comes to managing your finances and planning for your future,
I suggest you contact my friends at Wagoner Financial. Whether
you're just getting started, getting ready to retire, or anywhere
in between, Wagoner Financial can help you make smart financial decisions.
Don't navigate a complex problem on your own. Wagoner as
the expertise to help you feel confident that you're making
the right financial choices. Contact an advisor by calling five
(09:23):
one seven eight five three three three sixty seven, or
visit their website at wagonerhyphenfinancial dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Our path to a top ten state is only as
strong as our strength of commitment. It's time to compete
to win. When we do better by our kids, invest
in people, accelerate our economy, and get the fundamentals right,
we will feel a powerful win in our sales that
will move Michigan over. That's a top ten state Business
(09:50):
Leaders for Michigan is the State's Business Roundtable. We're committed
to make Michigan more competitive. Time to be bold, Michigan.
It's time to compete to.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
When it comes to healthcare costs, we often focus on
one thing, our insurance premiums. But what if we're only
seeing part of the picture. The truth is our health
insurance costs reside downstream at the end of the cost equation.
But to really understand what's driving up costs, we need
to look upstream to the healthcare system itself. Upstream, there
are costs like the price is charged by hospitals and doctors,
(10:24):
and the cost of prescription drugs, healthcare administration, and technology.
These costs flow downstream directly into your health insurance premium.
That's why Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is advocating
for a system wide solution to address the rising cost
of healthcare. Blue Cross knows that healthcare is personal, needs
to work for everyone, and affordability matters, and that starts
(10:47):
with shedding light on the entire cost equation from upstream
costs to downstream premiums. Want to learn more visit Miiblue
Daily dot com slash affordability
God is great, there's good.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And people are crazed and well, I think that everyone
could probably agree with that. Wall been ma want a
break to high? Sit down? Fine, why would you go
(00:40):
to Ohio? It's Michael Patrick Shields with you through the
AT and T microphones radio stations across the state of
Michigan and worldwide at m I Big show dot com.
If you listen to the A list Our podcast by
Attorney Andrew A. Bood, he speaks to interesting people and
actually spoke to me in a day to those interesting people,
(01:02):
and it's listed wherever you get your podcasts, but it's
called the A List Hour And most recently interviewed Curtiser
of Chella Junior, the Democrat party chair, and they talked.
And there are some others on there too, including Dan
Olson from Michigan who played on the PGA tour. And
we may have a clip. Do we have a clip?
(01:23):
Should we play it a little bit later? I think
we should because Anthony Foorlini's on the line right now,
the Mcomb County Clerk, former state representative, Republican candidate for
Secretary of State. Thank you for being here and welcome
to the program. Happy New Year to.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You, Patty new your MPs. It's great to be on
your show. I appreciate it. I'm looking outside. It looks like,
right after I get done here, we have to shovel
the snow here today.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Don't they have people for that at your level? I
don't know. This is Michigan. We're all in it together,
aren't we.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's right, that's right, that's okay. We haven't had much
here on the east side of the state, so little
bit now doesn't hurt us.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Good thing it is an election day, or people wouldn't
be going to the poll. Wait a minute, they can
mail in their vote and I don't know, maybe someday
they'll be able to vote on their smartphone and they
won't have to go anywhere at all. But that's a
long way off. When the voting system that we have
right now, which we thought was most dependable, turns out
it might not.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Be well, you know, you know, there's so many things
out there, and I'm the kind of guy that likes
proof before I say anything. And it was kind of
crazy in our office. We had a situation where we
had so many jurors that were non citizens that we had,
(02:42):
you know, let them off of jury duty, and I
started thinking about that just a couple of months ago.
I says, wait a minute, how did you even get
in this? How is that even possible? You know, we
don't have seventeen year olds coming in for jury duty.
Why is it we have non set since being qualified?
And then it occurred to me on the other end,
(03:03):
wait a minute, I'm going to put these names up
against the qualified voter file and see what was going on. Well,
we had two hundred and thirty nine over a short
period of time the last four months that were non
citizens on the qualified voter roll I'm sorry, on the
jury pool. Fourteen of those were actually on the QVF.
(03:28):
So that's a problem. We had fourteen non citizens show
up that they potentially could have walked in and voted
at any of the precincts that they're registered in. This
is a major problem because this is a small sampling,
and we're going to look a little bit deeper into this,
a little bit further back. We're going to continue looking
at it forward because in that sampling of fourteen, twenty
(03:50):
one percent of them three actually voted. They have a
voting record. One of them actually voted multiple times. So
we heard about the student over in ann Arbor, made
a big deal about the Chinese citizen that voted. Well,
we got three, now three more, and it's a small sampling.
(04:11):
I think this is bigger than anyone ever realized.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Do you think that it's people who just don't understand
how it works or how it's supposed to work, or
they are operating in a farious way purposely to vote
when they know they're not qualified too.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, there's obviously a hole in the system. And let's
be honest, a foreigner that's been here, maybe living in
this country for a period of time with a green card,
fills something out, is that it's so simple to get
in It says am I a US citizen. Well, they
might be thinking, yeah, I live in Clinton Township. I've
been living here my whole life or a good part
of my life. Yeah, I'm a citizen. Well that answer
(04:52):
would be not proper. But with a language bearer, there
might have been an innocent mistake. Let's just assume that
for moment's sake, right, But then it goes further down.
Here's the real tricky part. If you don't there's a
box that says, if you don't have a driver's license.
If you don't have a Michigan ID, and you don't
have a social scurity number, check this box. Now you're in.
(05:13):
It's that simple to get into vote if you're a
non citizen. And I say that it's illegal, but some
people just don't understand the ramifications of that.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And when they go to vote, they have to show
some form of ID right that matches their name on
that list.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, they don't necessarily have to write I mean that
they're on the list. And that's why there is so
much controversy, you know right now that we want people
Now this petition that's going around that is talking about
the must be a citizens citizens only voting, that is
(05:52):
going to be critical. And and you know what the
system squad to allow people in that easy. It really
should be on and the onus of the Secretary of
State's office. Then when they get an application to register
to vote, there should be a national database that can
go to yes or no? Is that person a US citizen?
If it's yes, you're in. If it's a no, it
(06:13):
stops there. It shouldn't be self reporting. Self reporting is dangerous.
It could affect face it could affect jury trials, we're
a person who wants the honor of being a juror,
not a citizen. Checks it off wrong, it's self reporting,
and all of a sudden they find themselves on a
jury trial. You know, we're expected to be judged by
(06:35):
our peers, American peers, not foreign peers. So this is
a bigger problem than just voting. I think it's a
little bit more widespread, and we as citizens need to
take back control of our voting and of our jury process.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So if somebody says to you, Anthony Foorlaney, candidate for
Secretary of State, well it's just one Chinese student in
a couple people here and there. You know, elections are
decided by much bigger numbers than that. How can that
be really important? How do you answer that?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, listen, every vote matters, every vote counts. It's you know,
there's three just in mccon County and a very small sampling.
This is much bigger than that. And the once we
start putting these numbers out and we start looking further
into it, and we're going to put a little bit
of how we did it to all the corks across
(07:30):
the state, say this is how we found it. Here's
how we went about it. You may want to apply
this method against your own database and see what you have.
I'm going to be interested to see how this number
starts multiplying. It.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Is it presumed that somebody who's not a citizen and
gets to vote is going to vote Democrat for some reason.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
No, No, this isn't what that's about. It's the sanctity
of the ballot itself. It doesn't matter who you are.
I mean, if they're voting republic I'm sure Democrats would
be pretty upset. But it just seems like right now
it's a one sided argument that Republicans are arguing that
citizens should be only voting now. I say that, but
it's really an eighty percent rule that everybody is out there.
(08:14):
But you know, I don't want to make it a
partisan thing. I want to make it an issue that
we got to fix. We have to fix it, and
if we all get together to fix it, there shouldn't
be any opposition. Let's just fix it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Getting the nomination of your party to be the candidate
for Secretary of State because it's not a primary vote,
seems like one of the most complicated and difficult things
to do. So we salute you for going through that process,
and the microphones are open to you when you want
to talk as that unfolds. He is Macomb County Clerk
and was a state representative. He's Anthony Forlini and you
(08:50):
can hear the passion in his voice about getting it
right beyond partisan politics. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
This is Chris Buck with Michigan Reimagined podcast. And when
it comes to managing your finances and planning for your future,
I suggest you contact my friends at Wagoner Financial. Whether
you're just getting started, getting ready to retire, or anywhere
in between, Wagoner Financial can help you make smart financial decisions.
Don't navigate a complex problem on your own. Wagoner as
the expertise to help you feel confident that you're making
the right financial choices. Contact an advisor by calling five
(09:23):
one seven eight five three three three sixty seven, or
visit their website at wagonerhyphenfinancial dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Our path to a top ten state is only as
strong as our strength of commitment. It's time to compete
to win. When we do better by our kids, invest
in people, accelerate our economy, and get the fundamentals right,
we will feel a powerful win in our sales that
will move Michigan over. That's a top ten state Business
(09:50):
Leaders for Michigan is the State's Business Roundtable. We're committed
to make Michigan more competitive. Time to be bold, Michigan.
It's time to compete to.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
When it comes to healthcare costs, we often focus on
one thing, our insurance premiums. But what if we're only
seeing part of the picture. The truth is our health
insurance costs reside downstream at the end of the cost equation.
But to really understand what's driving up costs, we need
to look upstream to the healthcare system itself. Upstream, there
are costs like the price is charged by hospitals and doctors,
(10:24):
and the cost of prescription drugs, healthcare administration, and technology.
These costs flow downstream directly into your health insurance premium.
That's why Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is advocating
for a system wide solution to address the rising cost
of healthcare. Blue Cross knows that healthcare is personal, needs
to work for everyone, and affordability matters, and that starts
(10:47):
with shedding light on the entire cost equation from upstream
costs to downstream premiums. Want to learn more visit Miiblue
Daily dot com slash affordability
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