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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Live across the Great Lake State. You're connected to Michigan's
most engaging and influential radio and television program, Michigan's Big
Show starring Michael Patrick Shields, presented by Blue Cross, Blue
Shield Michigan and Blue Care Network.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm producer and creative director Tony Cuthberts.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now in the shadow of the Capitol Dome and lancing.
He's heard from the beaches of Lake Michigan, to the
halls of power and behind closed doors. Here's Michigan's Michael
Patrick Shields.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh my, thank you, Michael hoy Back.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I love you too.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
If I didn't, I wouldn't be standing it because it's
freezing out here.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Michael Patrick Shields is polier.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Good morning world.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
It's freezing in Michigan, that's for sure, but it's a
winter wonderland and it's Michael Patrick Shields. And it takes
me back to the day when there were school closings
and I worked at the big three letter station in Detroit,
and the whole morning sometimes would be devoted.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
To the school.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Closings, and we'd run a little music bed and the
voice in the newsroom would come on and read them all,
and you would read every single school. You know. Southgate
schools are closed today, wind Up Public schools are closed
this morning. Our Lady of Mount Carmel Catholic School is
closed this morning. Riverview schools are closed today, Trenton. And
you'd be at home like, oh, please stay home, Let's
(01:33):
stay home and build a snowman or whatever it might be.
Now I think it's a little more sophisticated. When there
was a robocall that used to come, that was like
the next step and letting people know that the weather
was so cold you couldn't go to school and it
was snow and ice or whatever. And now I suspect
you get a text or maybe an email or something
(01:55):
like that through your almighty phone. And when we start
to talk about cell phones and schools, it gets tricky
because I just heard the other day too that one
state is going to figure out a way to limit
the amount of social media usage for underage people. We're
trying to protect people and we're trying to make them
(02:16):
accessible at the same time, what is the balance. State
Representative Mark Tisdell is from Rochester Hills Republican on our Well,
how ironic he was on our radio stage right now
till his cell phone dropped. But apparently in the legislature
yesterday there was some movement. Oh there he is reconnected
(02:38):
and welcome back to the program, and thank you for
being here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It must have been a snow day on our connection.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You can't make it up, ken you when you're talking
about our phone.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And it drops out.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But you did create a bill because I don't know
what the genesis of it was for you to create
this bill about cell phones and the classrooms. But what
is the origin story?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, simply the science of smartphones, social media and the
detrimental impact on our kids at teens and particularly tweens
and girls. And I've been following a psychologist out of
New York University by name of Jonathan Heite. He's been
(03:24):
writing about this probably for five or six years. And
just the more I read, the more the science came
out showing causation, not just correlation. You know, I just
decided it was time to act. My first draft was
in June of twenty twenty three, and as I said
(03:44):
on the House floor yesterday, when I started, you know,
kind of showing that draft around, the response from people was, well,
you can't take smartphones away from kids at school now
thirty eight states later that have introduced statewide restrictions. You know,
the comment is, when are we going to start taking
(04:06):
smartphones away from kids at school? So it's been an
evolution and it's it's it's a parent and our schools
are are not knocking it out of the park or
in the bottom ten states for education. So any distraction,
anything that gets in the way of learning needs to
(04:26):
be needs to be tossed out the door.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The presumption is that kids aren't paying attention during the
lesson time or the lectures or what have you because
they're you know, playing candy crush or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well it's not, it's not a presumption, it's it's just
a fact. And the schools that for example, Avondale Middle
School in Auburn Hills is now and it's maybe it's
fifth year of a bell to bell from the morning
bell to the afternoon bell, prohibition of phones. And you know,
(05:01):
the teachers the first thing they noticed is when they
when they step to the front of the class, they've
got thirty sets of eyeballs looking back at them. The
the hallways are noisier, the cafeteria is noisier because kids
are talking to each other. Uh uh. You know, for teachers,
(05:23):
the Internet is the world's greatest entertainment source and and
teachers simply can't compete with that. And so the other
thing that that dramatically changes in schools that adopt that
have adopted these restrictions and prohibitions, the drama just goes away,
(05:47):
the number of fights, the assaults on teachers, the you know,
imagine being a kid and knowing that cameras are focused
on you all day to you know, just ready to
catch your worst moment of the day and then post
it online to your embarrassment forever and ever. That that
(06:11):
that all goes away.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So to put it simply, your bill would across the
state of Michigan, make it I don't know what the
word is, illegal, but it would ban the use of
phones during instruction time, but not when they go to
their lockers or in between classes or at lunchtime. And
that kind of thing is is that it simply put.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well right and to and to reach a consensus, had
an agreement and Senator Paul Hankey, chair of the Education
Committee in the Senate, and you know, we we've been
working on this closely together to reach to reach an agreement.
Funny thing in Lancing, but you know, and it's just
(06:58):
so for introduction purposes, we thought it would be easier
and Senator Pohank was behind the idea of having one
set of standards for all grades. So K through twelve
it's a prohibition of smartphone use or access during instruction time.
(07:19):
Now K through six all day is instruction time, So
you know, that's halfway there. And of course those as
those students age and progress through the system, it will
be easier and easier for school districts to increase the
(07:44):
restrictions which is allowed in the law. Schools and school
districts can be more strict than what the law provides.
The gold standard across the US, and are about eighteen
states that have adopted this, and you know, ultra blue
New York State being one is a bell to bell prohibition.
(08:07):
The morning bell rings, phones are gone and you don't
see him again until the afternoon bell rings. But this
is a very good start. I think it's a welcome start.
I know it's a welcome start among many school districts
and administrators because now they know the state has their backs.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
You have our backs too, and I appreciate that very
much and we will keep in touch. Politics is our
family business, and this is a this is a family issue,
This is an education issue, This is a mental health issue.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
All of it.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
And I try to pry that phone out of a
kid's hand, good luck, and I'm sure some of them
will be sneaking them in and all that sort of thing.
It's a modern new world, and Mark Tisdale is keeping
an eye on its state representative, Republican from Rochester Hills
with MPs.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Bringing a happy and healthy new year with Wycoff Wellness.
Save save twenty percent all January on our quality supplements
in the office or online at Wycoff Wellness dot com.
Save twenty percent on all treatments including ubi ozone, intravenous infusions,
colon hydrotherapy, kalation, sonotherapy and more. Get on your pathway
(09:20):
to wellness with our help. The why Coff Wellness functional
medicine approach will find the root cause of your chronic
health concerns such as fatigue, anxiety, depression, hormone and balance
and weight. Save on our GLP one weight loss program
and get your first eight weeks of name brand medication
for free this month. Call five one seven three three
three seven two seven zero and make your appointment at
(09:43):
our East Lansing office today. Begin this year with a
new outlook and let us help improve your health and
wellness naturally. Learn more at Wycoff Wellness dot com or
call five to one seven three three three seventy two
seventy Wycoff Wellness. Our results can change your life.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Looking for your next sunny getaway, whether it's to your
favorite theme park, relaxing beach time, a golf trip, or
just feeling the sun on your face. Breeze Airways as
you covered with convenient non stop flights from Lansing's Capital
Region International Airport to sunny Orlando and Fort Myers. Travel
with these by visiting Flybreeze dot com or by downloading
(10:23):
the Breeze app Fly Lancing on Breeze Airways seriously nice.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We're always upgrading phones, cars, tech, but what about the
energy systems we all rely on.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
That's exactly what Enbridge is doing, investing in the energy
systems that help keep energy reliable and affordable for Michigan
families and businesses today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So it's about keeping Michigan's energy moving exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Smart investments help keep energy secure and affordable for everyone.
Learn more at enbridge dot com. Slash Michigan Enbridge Tomorrow
is on
Live across the Great Lake State. You're connected to Michigan's
most engaging and influential radio and television program, Michigan's Big
Show starring Michael Patrick Shields, presented by Blue Cross, Blue
Shield Michigan and Blue Care Network.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm producer and creative director Tony Cuthberts.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now in the shadow of the Capitol Dome and lancing.
He's heard from the beaches of Lake Michigan, to the
halls of power and behind closed doors. Here's Michigan's Michael
Patrick Shields.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh my, thank you, Michael hoy Back.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I love you too.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
If I didn't, I wouldn't be standing it because it's
freezing out here.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Michael Patrick Shields is polier.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
Good morning world.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
It's freezing in Michigan, that's for sure, but it's a
winter wonderland and it's Michael Patrick Shields. And it takes
me back to the day when there were school closings
and I worked at the big three letter station in Detroit,
and the whole morning sometimes would be devoted.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
To the school.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Closings, and we'd run a little music bed and the
voice in the newsroom would come on and read them all,
and you would read every single school. You know. Southgate
schools are closed today, wind Up Public schools are closed
this morning. Our Lady of Mount Carmel Catholic School is
closed this morning. Riverview schools are closed today, Trenton. And
you'd be at home like, oh, please stay home, Let's
(01:33):
stay home and build a snowman or whatever it might be.
Now I think it's a little more sophisticated. When there
was a robocall that used to come, that was like
the next step and letting people know that the weather
was so cold you couldn't go to school and it
was snow and ice or whatever. And now I suspect
you get a text or maybe an email or something
(01:55):
like that through your almighty phone. And when we start
to talk about cell phones and schools, it gets tricky
because I just heard the other day too that one
state is going to figure out a way to limit
the amount of social media usage for underage people. We're
trying to protect people and we're trying to make them
(02:16):
accessible at the same time, what is the balance. State
Representative Mark Tisdell is from Rochester Hills Republican on our Well,
how ironic he was on our radio stage right now
till his cell phone dropped. But apparently in the legislature
yesterday there was some movement. Oh there he is reconnected
(02:38):
and welcome back to the program, and thank you for
being here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It must have been a snow day on our connection.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You can't make it up, ken you when you're talking
about our phone.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And it drops out.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But you did create a bill because I don't know
what the genesis of it was for you to create
this bill about cell phones and the classrooms. But what
is the origin story?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, simply the science of smartphones, social media and the
detrimental impact on our kids at teens and particularly tweens
and girls. And I've been following a psychologist out of
New York University by name of Jonathan Heite. He's been
(03:24):
writing about this probably for five or six years. And
just the more I read, the more the science came
out showing causation, not just correlation. You know, I just
decided it was time to act. My first draft was
in June of twenty twenty three, and as I said
(03:44):
on the House floor yesterday, when I started, you know,
kind of showing that draft around, the response from people was, well,
you can't take smartphones away from kids at school now
thirty eight states later that have introduced statewide restrictions. You know,
the comment is, when are we going to start taking
(04:06):
smartphones away from kids at school? So it's been an
evolution and it's it's it's a parent and our schools
are are not knocking it out of the park or
in the bottom ten states for education. So any distraction,
anything that gets in the way of learning needs to
(04:26):
be needs to be tossed out the door.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
The presumption is that kids aren't paying attention during the
lesson time or the lectures or what have you because
they're you know, playing candy crush or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well it's not, it's not a presumption, it's it's just
a fact. And the schools that for example, Avondale Middle
School in Auburn Hills is now and it's maybe it's
fifth year of a bell to bell from the morning
bell to the afternoon bell, prohibition of phones. And you know,
(05:01):
the teachers the first thing they noticed is when they
when they step to the front of the class, they've
got thirty sets of eyeballs looking back at them. The
the hallways are noisier, the cafeteria is noisier because kids
are talking to each other. Uh uh. You know, for teachers,
(05:23):
the Internet is the world's greatest entertainment source and and
teachers simply can't compete with that. And so the other
thing that that dramatically changes in schools that adopt that
have adopted these restrictions and prohibitions, the drama just goes away,
(05:47):
the number of fights, the assaults on teachers, the you know,
imagine being a kid and knowing that cameras are focused
on you all day to you know, just ready to
catch your worst moment of the day and then post
it online to your embarrassment forever and ever. That that
(06:11):
that all goes away.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So to put it simply, your bill would across the
state of Michigan, make it I don't know what the
word is, illegal, but it would ban the use of
phones during instruction time, but not when they go to
their lockers or in between classes or at lunchtime. And
that kind of thing is is that it simply put.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well right and to and to reach a consensus, had
an agreement and Senator Paul Hankey, chair of the Education
Committee in the Senate, and you know, we we've been
working on this closely together to reach to reach an agreement.
Funny thing in Lancing, but you know, and it's just
(06:58):
so for introduction purposes, we thought it would be easier
and Senator Pohank was behind the idea of having one
set of standards for all grades. So K through twelve
it's a prohibition of smartphone use or access during instruction time.
(07:19):
Now K through six all day is instruction time, So
you know, that's halfway there. And of course those as
those students age and progress through the system, it will
be easier and easier for school districts to increase the
(07:44):
restrictions which is allowed in the law. Schools and school
districts can be more strict than what the law provides.
The gold standard across the US, and are about eighteen
states that have adopted this, and you know, ultra blue
New York State being one is a bell to bell prohibition.
(08:07):
The morning bell rings, phones are gone and you don't
see him again until the afternoon bell rings. But this
is a very good start. I think it's a welcome start.
I know it's a welcome start among many school districts
and administrators because now they know the state has their backs.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
You have our backs too, and I appreciate that very
much and we will keep in touch. Politics is our
family business, and this is a this is a family issue,
This is an education issue, This is a mental health issue.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
All of it.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
And I try to pry that phone out of a
kid's hand, good luck, and I'm sure some of them
will be sneaking them in and all that sort of thing.
It's a modern new world, and Mark Tisdale is keeping
an eye on its state representative, Republican from Rochester Hills
with MPs.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Bringing a happy and healthy new year with Wycoff Wellness.
Save save twenty percent all January on our quality supplements
in the office or online at Wycoff Wellness dot com.
Save twenty percent on all treatments including ubi ozone, intravenous infusions,
colon hydrotherapy, kalation, sonotherapy and more. Get on your pathway
(09:20):
to wellness with our help. The why Coff Wellness functional
medicine approach will find the root cause of your chronic
health concerns such as fatigue, anxiety, depression, hormone and balance
and weight. Save on our GLP one weight loss program
and get your first eight weeks of name brand medication
for free this month. Call five one seven three three
three seven two seven zero and make your appointment at
(09:43):
our East Lansing office today. Begin this year with a
new outlook and let us help improve your health and
wellness naturally. Learn more at Wycoff Wellness dot com or
call five to one seven three three three seventy two
seventy Wycoff Wellness. Our results can change your life.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Looking for your next sunny getaway, whether it's to your
favorite theme park, relaxing beach time, a golf trip, or
just feeling the sun on your face. Breeze Airways as
you covered with convenient non stop flights from Lansing's Capital
Region International Airport to sunny Orlando and Fort Myers. Travel
with these by visiting Flybreeze dot com or by downloading
(10:23):
the Breeze app Fly Lancing on Breeze Airways seriously nice.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We're always upgrading phones, cars, tech, but what about the
energy systems we all rely on.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
That's exactly what Enbridge is doing, investing in the energy
systems that help keep energy reliable and affordable for Michigan
families and businesses today and tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So it's about keeping Michigan's energy moving exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Smart investments help keep energy secure and affordable for everyone.
Learn more at enbridge dot com. Slash Michigan Enbridge Tomorrow
is on
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