November 12, 2025 • 55 mins
Robert Lee Camp was born into a relatively poor family in West Virginia in 1953. The first of seven children, he always had an interest in self-improvement which eventually lead to spirituality. In 1976 he moved full time into a yoga school in Pennsylvania and was a celibate and renunciate for five years and a resident leader and teacher for 10 years. It was there he was first exposed to the idea of astrology to which he took to immediately.
Robert discovered the Science of the Cards in 1988 when a friend showed him a copy of Sacred Symbols of the Ancients. He was already doing astrological readings at the time and was stunned by the accuracy of what he read there. That book eventually lead him to his teacher, Arnie Lein, with whom he took numerous lessons in order to master this ancient system. Arnie Lein did not live long after Robert met him and died about a year later. This prompted Robert to dedicate himself to spreading this knowledge of the cards to the world, and write and publish his first book, which was entitled The Atlantean Oracle. He used his knowledge of computer programming to create all the yearly spreads that his book displayed, to make reading the cards much easier than the method taught by Mr. Lein.
In 1992 Robert discovered The Order of the Magi, who were located in Paradise, CA. On his second trip to meet with them, he was told he was to be initiated into the Order due to his commitment to the cards and his past lives, in one of which he served the prophet Daniel. In May of that year, he was initiated as a Grand Master in the Order of the Magi on Terra. It was from this initiation that Robert realized the spiritual underpinnings of this amazing system and dedicated himself to making it known to the world.
As Robert used and taught the Science of the Cards to others, he made many discoveries about the system, ones that brought out even more meaningful information that had never been taught. Much of what is common knowledge about the cards today is a result of his experience and research.
While in Los Angeles, CA, Robert was able to perform readings for several Hollywood celebrities, but eventually decided to move up to Paradise to rewrite his book. With the support of his students, Robert published The Cards of Your Destiny, which became much more successful. He was discovered by accident by Sourcebooks, Inc. just as he was writing his Love Cards book and accepted a publishing deal for both books.
After that he spent year teaching classes, developing software, and doing readings for others. Now, over 30 years later, he has sold hundreds of thousands of books and card science has become much more available and visible to the world. His books have been translated and published in Russian, Chinese, and other languages. He continues his work and is helping train students to become readers and teachers. Robert currently resides in Asheville, NC with his wife Lena Rachel and son, Radheya.
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Robert discovered the Science of the Cards in 1988 when a friend showed him a copy of Sacred Symbols of the Ancients. He was already doing astrological readings at the time and was stunned by the accuracy of what he read there. That book eventually lead him to his teacher, Arnie Lein, with whom he took numerous lessons in order to master this ancient system. Arnie Lein did not live long after Robert met him and died about a year later. This prompted Robert to dedicate himself to spreading this knowledge of the cards to the world, and write and publish his first book, which was entitled The Atlantean Oracle. He used his knowledge of computer programming to create all the yearly spreads that his book displayed, to make reading the cards much easier than the method taught by Mr. Lein.
In 1992 Robert discovered The Order of the Magi, who were located in Paradise, CA. On his second trip to meet with them, he was told he was to be initiated into the Order due to his commitment to the cards and his past lives, in one of which he served the prophet Daniel. In May of that year, he was initiated as a Grand Master in the Order of the Magi on Terra. It was from this initiation that Robert realized the spiritual underpinnings of this amazing system and dedicated himself to making it known to the world.
As Robert used and taught the Science of the Cards to others, he made many discoveries about the system, ones that brought out even more meaningful information that had never been taught. Much of what is common knowledge about the cards today is a result of his experience and research.
While in Los Angeles, CA, Robert was able to perform readings for several Hollywood celebrities, but eventually decided to move up to Paradise to rewrite his book. With the support of his students, Robert published The Cards of Your Destiny, which became much more successful. He was discovered by accident by Sourcebooks, Inc. just as he was writing his Love Cards book and accepted a publishing deal for both books.
After that he spent year teaching classes, developing software, and doing readings for others. Now, over 30 years later, he has sold hundreds of thousands of books and card science has become much more available and visible to the world. His books have been translated and published in Russian, Chinese, and other languages. He continues his work and is helping train students to become readers and teachers. Robert currently resides in Asheville, NC with his wife Lena Rachel and son, Radheya.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome to Mission Evolution Radio show with Guildowaka, bringing together
today's leading experts to uncover ever deepening spiritual truths and
the latest scientific developments in support of the evolution of humankind.
For more information on Mission Evolution Radio with Wildawiaka, visit
www dot Mission evolution dot org. And now here's the
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host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildawieka.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is Mission Evolution, where we explore the evolution of
consciousness and the human experience. I'm your host, Guildoweka. Our
guest is ours Robert Lee Camp, internationally recognized author, master astrologer,
and creator of The Cards of Your Destiny, a groundbreaking
system that blends astrology, numerology, and ancient wisdom to reveal
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the hidden blueprint of our lives. Through decades of research
spiritual insight, Robert has helped thousands discover their purpose, timing,
and relationship dynamics to the unique power of playing cards.
Join us as we explore how the fascinating ancient science
can illuminate our journey of personal and spiritual evolution. To
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learn more, visit his website at Cardsofyour Destiny dot com. Robert,
thank you so much for joining Lan's omission evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Thank you. I'm great to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
For our listeners. New to your work.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What is the science of the cards and how does
it differ from astrology or numerology.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, it's, you know, like you can take a numerology
and then you can take astrology, and they may give
you the same information or a lot of the same information,
but they do it in a different way. And the
card system is more akin to well, it's really more
akin to astrology because it has planetary influences as well
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in it, So from that point of view, it's more
like astrology, but it's its own system. And according to
the most ancient sources that came from Atlantis twenty thousand
years ago. We can't prove that, but that's all we
know about it, really. But when we look at a
deck of cards and see how it connects with the
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calendar of the Earth, most people don't realize the significance
of it. How a deck of cards is so correlated
to the cycles of the Earth, it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Excuse me, I'm having a little bit problem with my
voice here. You say, each person is born to a
specific card.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Every day of the year is governed by a card
and the one on the day you're born. It's it's
almost like your astrological sign, but it's a lot more
detailed than that. It's a lot more detailed than just
your astrological side. Yeah, it tell us a lot about you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So from all the different angles that you're coming in,
it's almost like triangulation, isn't it. You know, where you
get information from lots of different places and then focus,
I mean to get a single answer.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yes, yes, So your card happens to be the Seven Clubs.
That's your birth card. You have other cards too, because
it's a long story, but there's more than one card,
usually from most people that are significators of who you are.
So this but just looking at the Seven Clubs, the
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essential nature of that card is spiritual knowledge. Spiritual knowledge.
It's funny that you and Robert both seven o'club and
you're both doing spiritual knowledge. That's what you're doing. You're
taking that to the world, you know, and it's part
of my life path too. The Seven o' clubs falls
in the cars that are considered in my life path.
Everybody has a life path, okay, but the seven sits
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right in the center of a suit. If you go
from the ace to the king, in the very center
is the seventh, and the seven has one foot in
the mundane world and one foot in the spiritual realm.
So they bring the spiritual into the mundane. That's the
highest the highest offering of a seven o'clubs. The highest
expression is to bring one who brings spiritual knowledge to
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the world, from the spiritual into the mundane world. See,
and when you're a seven, though, there's always a there's
always a challenge to every card too, you know. So
the challenge of a seven is sometimes they're just totally enlightened,
like they feel so enlightened, they're just connected to the universe,
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like on the spiritual level. And the other times they
get dragged down by the mundane world. They feel down
or depressed. Sometimes at time to time they can be
very critical. They can be very critical sometimes kind of
you know, that's my card too. I have the same quality.
I have to really watch myself because I can be
so looking at everything, like the glass half empty, you know,
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and everything. So, you know, Robin Williams was the seven
of club's. All seven of clubs people have like a gift,
a mental gift, like they have a connection to this
other realm. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So you said the highest expression, what do you mean
by that?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, the lowest expression would be like depressed, complaining negative,
you know about stuff, you know, looking at everything like
it's bad. And the highest expression is like freedom from
all of that and connected to the universe, connected to
the higher realms, higher realms of knowledge, you know, and
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receiving information from the higher realms.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You understand, I do.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
William Robi Williams. I met him a couple of times.
That man, he just channeled comedy, just let it come through.
And he was doing that all the time. He never
stopped doing that. It wasn't like he was doing that
as an act. That's what he did all day long.
You know, whoever he was with what he was doing,
he was the stuff with us coming through and like that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I understand a lot of times he would go off
script and just pop through with something that was even
funnier than probably.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
What was written.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I mean, almost all the time, that's what he did.
I mean even in his stand up things. And you know,
he wasn't like he wasn't like other comedians that would
work really hard. I don't think on some kind of
a script that he was going to memorize and then do.
He just would just let it flow, and it flowed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, how did the system originate historically?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, all every major ancient civilization claims to have invented
the deck of cards, the Indians, the Chinese, who else,
all of them? Whatever. So the first book that was
ever written about the system to reveal it to the
world was written in eighteen ninety five by a man
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named Olney Richmond. And he was a soldier in the
Civil War, and he was a mathematician. He was a
homeopathic apothecary. He was the world's chess checker champion three
years in a row. I mean, checkers seems really like
a child's game, but if you're really good at checkers,
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you can lose on the very first move. You know,
the whole game could be gone on the first move.
So he was a genius in his mind. And he
was approached after the Civil War by a man that
told him he was going to bring this card to
the world, And he had no idea what the guy
was talking about, and he doubted he he said, I'm
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not even going to live through the Civil War. All
my friends are getting killed, you know. But he he
said that this system came from Atlantis. And he had
a temple in Chicago later and he was an amazing guy.
He had reporters come and they would there's several reported accounts.
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A reporter would come to visit him in the temple
and only at Richmond would hand him an envelope that
was sealed. And after he had given him sort of
a tour around the temple, he said, let's do a
little experiment. And he would have the man shuffle cards
a deck of cards, and he would say, now, now
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lay them out and put four cards. He had like
a zodiac cloth that had twelve houses and they has
the center where the sun is, and he would he say,
put four cards at your own whatever you like. Put
four cards in each house and four in the center,
and that makes up the whole deck thirteen times for
so he would do that, and then he would say,
now roll the dice and whatever number comes up, pick
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up the cards in that house and turn them mobile.
And he would do that, and then he said, now
open the envelope, and in the omeleve it would say
if this reporter does this, ancient he called it an
Egyptian mystery number is something fifty seven or something. At
this time of day, he's going to pull out these
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four cards. There's several reported accounts of reporters that had
that happened to them on a visit to the temple.
So only had he had some information that we don't
even have access to, but he wrote a book called
the Mystic test Book, and that is like the first
book that it was ever published. He said the system
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was kept secret withou of years because we went through
very dark Agius, and you would have been murdered if
you had been practicing cards during the Dark Ages and
so forth. So it was it was basically unknown. I mean,
the cards were known by the Gypsies who worked in
the temples of Egypt. They saw the priest with these cards.
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They were on ivory tablets, by the way. They weren't
like a little playing cards, and the gypsies thought they
got something from it, and they started doing gypsy readings,
and you have a lot of gypsy fortune telling with
cards going on today even today. And the Toureau evolved
out of that. The Touro deck evolved out of that,
and of taking a deck of cards and adding in
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the Kabbala and so forth. So you know, everything evolved
out of the original deck, but the Gypsies didn't have
the full knowledge because they weren't they weren't priests in
the temple. It was only used by the priests in
the temple. But they did what they could, and the
cards got around and then it became poker and all
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So they didn't originate as a game.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
No, not at all. Because let's just just look at
a deck of cards, if you don't mind for just
a second. Okay, let's just look. Okay, So first of all,
you've got fifty two cards, right, we know that fifty
three with the joker, but fifty two number of weeks
in a year. Correct. We have four call we have
four suits, we have four seasons. We have two colors,
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red and black, we have day and night. We have
thirteen cards in each suit, and there are thirteen full
moons every year, thirteen moonar cycles each year. The word
moonth month comes from moon. It really should be moon,
and it should be there should be thirteen months in
a year. Honestly, I mean that's what it was originally
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made from. So then we take all the cards in
the deck and add up the number on the card
where an ace is a one, two, three, four to ten,
Jack is eleven, Queens are twelve, King thirteen, and you
add up those all the numbers of all the four
suits and you get exactly three hundred and sixty five.
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No other card deck does that, only the original deck.
And this is what this is what people don't realize.
They don't realize it's been right in front of them
this whole time.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It sounds like it's Earth instellar based, then yes it is.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And when we and the way the system works is
it divides up the year like your personal year. It
divides up your year starting on your birthday, into seven periods,
each fifty two days long, okay, and each one is
named after a planet. Firstus, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus,
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and Neptune. These seven periods are and there's cards in
each of these periods. This is all done mathematically, by
the way, it's not nothing random about it. There's no
shuffling and laying them out. It's all calculated. Come to
your birthday. I have your cards for this year right
in front of me right now, you know, and I
have next year, just want to click a button. I
created software that did it. Because it's complicated, it's it's
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I learned it. It was I learned it the ancient way,
and it was very easy to make mistakes. So I
just put it into a computer so I wouldn't make mistakes.
I didn't like to make those mistakes. But anyway, so
we have cards in every period you have you have
at least six cards in each period, and these cards
tell you what's happening during that fifty two day period,
who is happening with and is it a good thing
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for you or is it a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, we're going to have to go deeper into this
on the other side of a station break, Robert and
I will return very shortly, so don't go away. This
is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution dot org. How
does this work? With this this hour discussing Cards of
your destiny? Is Robert Lee Camp? Robert continue, you were
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giving an example of how it works.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, so let's see. I think, Oh, I tried this before.
I couldn't share just a part of my screen that
I wanted me to share, the whole screen, but it's
my screen is way too big to share, but I
have a software program that you could see all the
cards laid out. Okay, But so on your birthday, you
start a new year, and you enter the Mercury period.
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During the Mercury period, you're in the Neptune period right now,
the last period of the year. But on your birthday
here in a week or so, we actually, yeah, even
less than a week, You're going to start a whole
new year, okay, And everything shifts a little bit on
your birthday because you have you have five cards that
influence every influence the entire year. So everything kind of shifts.
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Sometimes it's not that different, but sometimes it's very different,
and it happens right on your birthday. You do have
a whole new set of cards that you're going to
live through for that year. And these cards are like
mirror of what's happening in your life. So if you
don't mind, I'll give you just a quick overview of
what I see for this coming.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Year for you don't mind at all, Thank you for so.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
One thing I see is that we have what's called
a long range card for every year that tells like
it's like the headline of the year, and you have
three different cards to consider. You're a seven o'club, but
you're also a jack of clubs, and you're also a
jack of diamonds. Okay, these are your three currents. So
each of those has its own spread, and each of them,
each of those has its own long range card. So
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the three of diamonds is a long range card in
your first spread, and that means that you're going to
be making money for more than one source. You're going
to be branching out and looking and having financial financial
finances coming from different directions more than you are now
for whatever reason, you know, I don't know what that's
going to mean exactly, but that's what the cards say,
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and the cards have been. We have an old saying
people will lie, but the cards never lie. In your
other spread, you have an Ace of Hearts long range. Now,
this is a This is the first card in the
deck as of Hearts. It's the first class card is
the King of Spades. First card is the Hearts. As
of Hearts is the card of like, what do I love?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
What is really like? It's it's it's like I think
you're going to go through a process of examination of
your life, a re examination of your life and say, well,
here I am, Now what do I really love? What?
What really is it that I want to do? What
is it that I who do I want to be with?
Where do I want to live? I mean, all those
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things could be up for questioning, But the question is
what do you really love that you want to put
yourself into. That's going to be a big theme for
you this coming year. Okay, you might already feel it coming,
you know, by this time, because you're only like two
days away or three days away. And then I see
you doing more of what you're doing now with the
spiritual knowledge. I don't see that change. But there may
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be some other aspect of your life where you're going
to examine it, is this really what I really want
to keep doing or what I really love to do?
And you'll be making some most likely some changes as
a result of that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
There you have it, many tools, promised destiny insights in
your view.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
What makes card based timing so accurate?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Well, it's you know, when I first when I first
was introduced to this, I thought, I'm not going to
just believe in this, you know, I want to test
it out. I want to test it, And so I
tested it for a year. But on the very first day,
like I took a class with this deep my teacher,
my first teacher in LA And on the very first class,
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he showed us how to look up our cards for
the current time period. And right there in the card
that I had that I found for myself was something
that had just happened the day before. I couldn't believe.
It just blew me away. It's like it was a
secret thing. It was something that already knew about, something
I wasn't one telling anybody about it, and there it was.
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I was like, oh my god, And so it hooked
me from the beginning. But I still didn't want to
just give it my you know, my belief whatever. So
I tested it for a year. It just it just
has never failed me. You know, it just continues. And
I have so many clients and students that just tell
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me these amazing stories of how these cards I've predicted
the birthday of children that were going to be born.
I predicted all kinds of stuff, you know, I mean,
and I use astrology as well, so I have both
tools at my disposal, and when I see it in both,
I say it with one hundred percent confidence. This is
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what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It sounds like this gets very in depth into a
person's private stuff. Like you said, you didn't even tell
anybody about what did show up. I mean, you didn't
tell anybody of an incident that did show up. Are
there some ethics that go along with this because it
is so accurate?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Well, I think eventually there will be some ethical considerations.
Right now, people don't take it all that seriously, you know,
but it's obviously. I mean I use it in all
of my relationships. Like if I'm hiring somebody for something
or going to be working with somebody, I get their
birthday right away because I want to know how do
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we connect and what's the very nature of this person,
you know, Like I recently had some solar work, some
solar panels and things installed in their home. And when
I found out the name of the birthday of the
main guy, I realized there's a potential problem here because
I've had issues with this birthday before and they have
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a lack of morality let's just call it when it
comes to money. And sure enough, that's how it turned out.
He gave me an estimate and he came back to
something entirely different, and I had to show him the estimate,
and I ended up like cutting the project off right
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in the middle because I could tell he just wasn't
on the up and up. He was pulling a fast one.
And maybe I projected at end of the situation because
I had had happened before, But it hasn't. This is
the third time I've met person of that birthday who
has those cards who acted that way. So you know,
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I'm not going to say everybody who's that card is
going to be like this, but it seems to be
a pretty strong pattern with certain cards. You know. I
don't know if that answers your question or not.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It does. Yeah, for skeptics, what repeatable patterns or case
studies convinced you this system is real world validity?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, I mean I saw this was a long time ago.
I remember when OJ Simpson's wife and best friend were
murdered and I looked in OJ's cards and I didn't
see any signs of tragedy. I saw signs of success.
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Blew me away. I was like, what, these cars must
not be right, And then I realized, Oh, this wasn't
a tragedy for him. This was mission accomplished for him,
you know. And as I learned the cards more and
more it all became obvious. And I also looked at
in Ron Goldman's cards and his wife Nicole, and I
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saw where I wouldn't have predicted death for them, like
not knowing them very well. But perhaps if I had
known the whole situation, I mind, if I had known
more about how their interactions had been prior to the event.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I've had so many I can't even count all
the times people have come back to me who have
gotten readings and said, you know, everything you said happened
just like you said.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You know, I was.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I did a lot of radio shows in the beginning.
Back then it was radio, you know, we didn't have
podcasts and all this stuff, and all the guy all
the radio guys would call me mister Destiny. So I
ended up with this mister Destiny moniker from making doing
predictions readings for their listeners. They would call in and
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I would, you know, give a quick reading, and then
they would call back later and go, you know, so
I've just seen it. I've just seen it. It's proved
itself to me just so many times. I can't personally,
I can't. I can't deny it. And I think if
you understood how the system actually originates, how it is
actually formed, how these yearly spreads come to be, which
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is a mathematical process, but not like a not like
a regular math process, but more like a spiritual math process.
Even though it is mathematical. Once a person kind of
gets into it and it looks at it deeper, it
instills a sense of like it's really connected to this
world that we live in. It's it's super connected to
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the life that we live here. That's how I see it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
How can listeners start using their birthcard and planetary ruling
card in daily decision making?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, there are actually even cards for every day, and
they can go to my website and find out what
their birth caard is, what their card for this year is,
the main card, what the what the card for this
planetary period is, and the card for this day for free.
It's right there on the front page of Cards in
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your Destiny dot com. Now as soon as if they
want to get into it. I have two books. One
is called the Cards. It's called The Cards of Your
Destiny that's available on Amazon and it's in some bookstores
or through our website. And then there's another book called
Love Cards, and Love Cards tells you all about your personality,
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of your birthday, and your relationship karma, and it tells
you how to do a relationship reading with other people
that you're involved with, so you find out what the
connections are and what that really means, what's going on
with you and your relationship?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Do the cards carry?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
They seem so complex and coming from so many different angles.
Can you also use those cards to decide where to
live or say, for instance, can you use those cards
on a company versus an individual?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We have we've used the cards on companies individuals. What
was the first one you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
The first one was you know, I know, astrologically, you
could do a reading and figure out where's the best
place for you to be on the planet right now?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, well I use astrology for that. I use astro
cartography for that for that one. Now there is like, okay,
you can take like every state has a birthday and
every town has a birthday, like a data incorporation or
you know, so you can get the card of a
place and see if you're compatible with that card. And
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some people swear by that I haven't used that as
much as I use astro cartography. Astrocryotography has been so
accurate for me. I just you know, don't even need
another one to do. But there was a whole book
written about using the cards for location where you would live,
you know, knowing the card of the place.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So say, for instance, I'm going to start a business,
if I before I initiated, if I look up various dates,
will there are days that a.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Better There days that are way better for business. So
every every card in the deck has a certain karma
in regards to relationship, business, and health. Okay, every card.
So there are certain cards that have really good money karma. Okay.
So you want to have your business own one of
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these cards, start your business on one of these days
that is ruled by that card, because it's it's going
to be way better. It's just going to be better.
Your birth the birthday of your business is an entity,
just like the birthday of a country or a birthday
of a state or a city. It's going to be
the birthday of this entity, which is your business. And
you want to have one that's a powerful money maker
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if you can, you know, and I tell I've answered
that question so many times for people. And there's a
couple you know. I could tell you now, but it
wouldn't make any wouldn't really help you because you don't
even know what days match which cards and all that stuff,
you know, But it's easy to find.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Out how to compatibility readings with the cards illuminate strengths
and friction points and relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, the cards are the basic way cards are arranged.
I don't you can see this. This is this is
what we call the Grand Solar spreads. Everything comes from
here and I'm just showing you briefly so you get
an idea. But every car, every.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Hang on, hang under that because we're going to have
to take a station.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Break on the other side.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Robert and I will be right back to continue our discussion,
So you stay right there. This is Mission Evolution www
dot Mission evolution dot org. This is Mission Evolution, Mission
evolution dot org. With us is master Astrologer Robert Lee Camp. Robert,
you were about to show us something. You had a
demonstration you were holding up. It's a little hard to
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because it really.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
See briefly, how these are all the cards in the
deck in two different formations. One's called the lifespread, and
one's called the spiritual spread. And all of our relationship
stuff is done by the relationship between any two cards here.
And if every two cards have some kind of connection,
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and usually multiple connections, but the first ones, like if
you have cards, for example, there are two spaces apart,
that's called a Venus connection, okay, And Venus means you
guys are going to have stuff in common, You're going
to get along, you're going to like each other just
because you do. It's just it's a good one for marriage,
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a good one for friendship, a good one for any relationship.
Really is a Venus connection. And then there's like you
have a Mars card, which is somebody that excites you
but may also make you mad or angry. Okay, you know,
like Mars is a little bit. Mars is good in
the relationship because it's good for sex, it's good for
doing things. Too much Mars will be justighting, you know,
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fighting constantly. I've had that. I've experienced that myself. I
had one that's just had too much MARDs. We couldn't
even have a conversation without arguing. So then there's Jupiter
and there's Saturn and the Saturn is the worst. You
don't want to be, you know, you wouldn't pick somebody
who's your saturn car, which is five spaces away from
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your car in any direction, so you know, and you
are saturn to somebody as well. Everybody is have somebody
that's Saturn to them and somebody that you're saturn to.
So it's knowing which connections are the best for relationship,
and it's knowing which one is to avoid because those
are going to come up in a relationship. And there's
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also a moon connection, which is when two cars are
right next to each other. It's called sun and moon. Okay,
so the one is in the front, the sun card
will be the boss. They'll always be the boss. And
the one that's on the backside will be the support person.
And it could be the girl or the guy, it
doesn't matter. But the one on the front is going
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to be the one who's driving the ship. They can
devote to where it's going, and the one is the passenger,
you know. So and that's the most common connection, by
the way, in all marriages, almost all marriages, over ninety
percent of marriages have one or more Moon connections. Inspires marriage,
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you know, Sun and moon male female together like that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, what card signatures tend to appear in entrepreneurs, artists,
or healers.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Healers can often be nine's because nine is this really
compassionate car that likes to take care of people, like
they would work in hospices, or they'd be a counselor too.
People that are minds really go for that. Business is
usually diamonds. You know, you have a diamond. One of
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your cars is a jack of diamonds. You're in a
seven of clubs, a jacket clubs, and a jacket diamonds.
So you've got a little bit of money thing going on,
you know. And I'm a Queen of diamonds and an
Asa diamonds. I got to money cards, so you know,
I'm about making money. I was making money when I
was six years old, you know, I was out there
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doing lemonade stands and stuff. It's just like it's interesting.
You know, if your birth card, your first card is
a diamond, it's a little stronger, but it can be
also there present there as well when it's your ruling card,
which is what your jacks are. There ruling cards and
jacket clubs and jack of diamonds. Okay, So entrepreneurs are
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usually diamonds, not always, but usually there's other cars that
can be because of other connections in their lifespread, but
generally they're diamonds that are more interested in money, like
an ASA diamonds person, whish I am, and that's what
my cars. And I've met a lot of as of
diamonds women. And you know, they got to have their business.
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They cannot they cannot not have a business. They have
to have a career. They have to be making money.
They have to be proving to themselves in the world
that they're going to that they're they're valuable, that they
have value by how much money they make. You know,
it's so obvious with them. And there's twelve birth there's
twelve birthdays of that car. So there's a lot of
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them out there, you know, a lot of them. Anyway,
Does that answer it? I'm not sure if I answered that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah you did.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, you know, here, you're a seven. Seven and nine
are the two spiritual numbers. So anybody who is a
seven or nine can be very spiritual. You know, Einstein
was a nine of diamonds and a two of spades,
so he he he was very psychic. By the way,
the nines are very psychic, so he was very psychic.
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But it was also that two spades is such a
strong mental card, really like a genius kind of card.
So he had this he was a genius that also
had this other side where he was connected to the
unseen realms like seven, the clubs like yours, you know.
But that two spades allowed him to put that into
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into writing, into bring that out to the world, you know.
So it's very fascinating when you get into it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
How do you counsel someone who spread shows challenging cards
without installing fear.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Well, I tried to. I look at there are challenging cards,
they come up, you know, and but every every challenging
card has a potential to be a breakthrough, like a
personal breakthrough. Because the sevens and nine are considered bad cards. Okay,
if you have a seven or nine coming up in
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your yearly spread of cards, it's often a problem to challenge.
But all of these cards can be transformed by changing
one's attitude or looking within, see what's going on here?
What's going on? Like when you have a nine showing
up in a spread, something's going to end either a relationship,
a lifestyle choice. It could be a death of somebody
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close to you with a nine, depending on the position
and the suit of the card and so forth. But
it's going to be an ending when you have a nine.
So usually if it's in a bad position like Saturn
in the Saturn period, it means I'm not going to
like this nine. I'm going to think I shouldn't lose this,
But in fact you do. The universe is trying to
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tell you is this has got to go. It's time
to flush the toilet, it's time to let go. You know,
you think it's good for you, but it's actually not.
And so on the other side of this, people always
come out, whether they fight it or whether they let
go soon. On the other end, they always think this
had to happen, this was the right thing. In retrospect,
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they always look back and they go, well that I
can see why that had to happen the way that
it happened.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
In our culture. Yeah, in our culture we don't let
go easily.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
We keep building and building, but we don't like them, and.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We're very materialistic really, you know, our whole society has
based on like getting more money, getting more fame and
so forth and so forth. So you know, if a
person is very materialistic, these sevens and nines are going
to be nothing but major problems and suffering. But if
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you have a spiritual side, it becomes like an opportunity.
They have a breakthrough. And I've had many sevens and
nine that showed up in the beginning being a real
problem that turned into like amazing breakthroughs, personal breakthroughs.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You know, do most cards are all cards have a
positive and a negative?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yes? Yeah, absolutely, every card. There's no such thing as
a bad card. I mean, the Ace of Spades, you know,
has been a symbol for death for a long long time.
I don't know if you've seen, but like there's pictures
of people that were murdered by the mafia and there'll
be an asa spades thrown on their chest, you know,
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and and there's just so many examples of that. But
the Ace of Spades is one of the most spiritual
cards in the whole decade. It means transformation, which is
which death is a transformation. But people don't realize that
it has this other meaning of spiritual transformation, you know,
and it actually the Ace of Spades is the card
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that represents this entire system. It is the card that
is the symbol for the order of the Magi, who
are the ones that kept this knowledge alive for centuries.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Transmutation it is finest exactly you.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Know what you like it or not, you know. And
some cards are very resistant to change, and they have
a hard time when the time comes to let go
or to shift, you know, but other cards don't. It
just varies, it's all. It's all very unique to each person.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Where do you believe personal choice fits in within card
indicated cycles.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, some of the things that happen are destined to
happen because they're karma. They you know, they occurred because
of something that happened in the past which had to
be worked out in the future. You know, like if
you kick a ball, if you see a ball rolling,
you know somebody kicked it right. So like a lot
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of the karma that we experienced in our lifetime, it
comes from past lives and from earlier in our life.
In this lifetime, mostly from past life. I mean, in astrology,
and I'll read an astrology card chart I'm reading, I'm
reading a blueprint of a person's past life karma that's
coming to fruition in this lifetime. That's what it is.
And a friend of mine called it the spiritual DNA,
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you know, and uh, and astrology in the cards are
like so so tight together and so you know, Uh,
most of what happens to us, especially early in our
life is karmen. So where the choice comes in is
how do we how do we do how do we
deal with it when it comes up? You know, what
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do we do with it? And a lot of it's
good karma too, you know, a lot of if you
I tell you people this, a lot if you look
at the best things in life that happened to you,
like opportunities that arose and and things, and how you
chose the career you're in, you'll you'll realize that you
had nothing to do with it. These things just happened
to you. They were they were good things that came
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to you because they were your destiny. They were karima
from past life. So a lot of karma from doing
good deeds. And then there's an other camera from not
being aware of how we hurt other people that comes
into play, and we have to be on the other
end of that to see what it's like to get
the whole picture. You know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It sounds like the cards. Let you know what the
wave is, but how you surf it is up to you.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, exactly, this like an event's going to happen with
Some of these events are not going to be welcome
because you know, we want everything to go our way
and life doesn't doesn't work that way, you know, So
all this stuff's going to happen that we don't like,
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and we're gonna whatever, bitch and complain or we're going
to like look at it as why am I fighting
against reality?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You know?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Maybe I can because a seven and nine can bring
the most profound spiritual experiences in life, you know. And
I know you as a seven of clubs. I know
you've had some of those. You have to you can't
be set them without having had these or a nine
for that matter. Okay, you have to so you understand
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Are there evolutionary themes such as the way the cards
point to sole growth across a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Well, you know, evolutionary growth, in my opinion, is really
very personal for each individual, you know, So like you
can find one hundred people of the same birthday and
they're going to play those cards out a little differently.
They're not not all of them are going to be
spiritually oriented, some of them, maybe some of them, some
of them may become enlightened before they're twenty years old,
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you know, because they're past like karma. But they are
this card, you know. I mean, I have met a
few enlightened people in my lifetime, and sometimes they are
a card that you wouldn't even consider would be enlightened.
It's like, you know, but they are. They're an enlightened
version of this card. They're not there's their ego is gone.
There's no ego, there's no negativity at all. And these
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people that I've met, and yet they're a card that
usually is like problem making card. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
Please stay with This is Robert and I continue to
explore discovering your destiny. This is Mission Evolution www. Dot
Mission evolution dot org. What if I'm a newbie, this
is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. We're continuing our
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discussion with author Robert Lee Camp his website Cards Off
your Destiny dot com. So what are a few practical
dues and don'ts for beginners?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Pulling their first breads.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Well, you know, my book, The Cards of Your Destiny
tells you how to do your own yearly readings or
readings for anybody else for that matter. And there's about
twenty five to thirty pages of instruction that leads you
through doing the first read. And you know, one has
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to be patient enough to read those twenty five pages. Okay,
some people open up the book and they see all
these spreads and they go, oh, my god, this is
too complicated. I can't do this, you know, instead of
just reading the instructions because all this information is to
the spreads are necessary because it has everyone's life to
age one hundred. In the book, there's about you know,
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fifty or one hundred pages of justice spreads. But it's
not that complicated if you just read, take it step
by step and go into it. So I always recommend
the book because there's no there's no online course that
teaches you from the very beginning, and you need to
have those access to those spreads in order to do
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the reading. You have to be able to look them
up and see, you know, oh do I have where
an I'm oh, I'm into my Mars period right now.
And these are the cars, and then the book tells
you what those cards mean in the Mars period, in
every period, So there's a lot of interpretation of the
cards in there. There's some basic instructions, and once you
get into it, you can go. I've had people go
right into doing readings, you know, for other people right away.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It's it's it's actually the easiest of all the systems
to learn. I think, in my opinion, it takes longer
to master it, but you can get valuable information from
it right away, like within within an hour of picking
up the book and reading it. Yeah, well I love book.
Sorry I didn't mean answer.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Have you seen the cards help resolving long standing patterns
such as health, finances or relationships?
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes? Well, you know there are certain birthdays that are
born with a lifetime of health challenges and we know those,
we know what they are, and we know which ones
could possibly have that issue, and it turns out that
a lot of them do, not every single one, but
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most of them do. You know, there's certain birthdays and
if they were to look at the card and they
would go into that, well, what is it? What is
it that I need to to learn here? Like what
is it? What is this? Why do I have this existence?
And what is it that that I can be with
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and have a breakthrough? I mean, look at Stephen Hawkings. Okay,
Stephen Hawkings. He never once complained about his condition, and
he was you know, in the end, he couldn't even
move his lips.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Was he a seven or nine?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I forget, I looked him up once. Yeah, I think
he was. Might might have been a seven of spade
or or card, because the seven of spades is usually
the card that has challenges on the on the physical level,
whereas the seven of clubs will have challenges on the
mental level, and the seven of diamonds will have challenges
on the financial level, and the seven or hearts will
have challenges on the relationship level. So they are challenging cards.
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You know, I forget what is I could look it up.
But you know, when you when you look at that,
you realize that it's possible to have the worst things
happen to you and yet not have a negative relationship
with it, you know. So that's the challenge, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
What boundaries do you keep when reading for sensitive topics
like illness or loss?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Well, I, first of all, I don't have any negative
I don't have any negative judgments about anything pretty much,
you know, like I'm not going to say, oh, you know,
you're bad or there's something really bad, like I all
say this, this could be a real challenging period for you.
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It may or may not be, but if it is,
it's going to be about this. It's going to be.
This is the challenge of facing with this. Now. I've
had some clients that are extremely materialistic, and all they
want to know is am I going to make money?
Am I going to get married? Am I gonna you
know whatever? Am I going to travel? Buy house? Whatever?
And I give them the best I can, you know,
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I give them the best I can. And I'm on
so I'll say, you know, if I don't see it,
I say, I don't see that, And sometimes it comes
out and the conversation before the readings are that they
really don't want to move, They really don't want what
they say they want. You know, it just you have
to be just kind of like patient and just kind
of go into it. But I don't. I don't care
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any judgment about it. So I'm not putting that charge
on it. I'm pretty sure, you know, with my.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Readings basically meeting a person where they're at.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, I want to. I want to know where they're at,
because you know, are they materialistic or are they more spiritual?
How attached are they to their problems? How attached are
they to their negative story about their life? How attached
are they to there whatever their relationship or their money.
You know, I want to know where they're coming from,
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and then I try to sort of ease them into
looking at it in a better way and showing and
letting the cards show them a pathway that can lead
them out of wherever they want to whether they are
to where they want to be. You know, it's my
intention anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Which leads me to my next question, how can these
cards be used for the evolution of mankind?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Sting has Sting the musician from the police. He had
a song called all This Time, and the very last
line of the song is men go crazy in congregations.
They only get better one by one. So I have
not found a way to use the cards to make
a prediction about society in general, but I have I
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have been able to help a lot of individuals, and
that's what I focus on. So any individual, this system
is inherently spiritual, but it's whatever the person takes from it.
I taught a class once to a group of people
in Las Vegas, Nevada. Okay, all I wanted to know was,
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guess what, how can we use these cards to win
at gambling.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
For the lottery?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, and you know what, most of them moved there
for that very reason. And these were spirits. These are
quasi spiritual people. Okay, they were spiritual and they were gamblers.
And I was like, this is so crazy. I thought
it was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
How as a divinational tool, how accurate can they be?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's mind blowing actually, because you can take the book
the cards you're destined. You look on your past. You
can say, okay, I got married when I was twenty
eight or whatever, and you can go back and look
and see if that card was there. You can test it.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
How do you go back and look?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, it has your whole life of the book, from
birth to age one hundred.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Particularly that year.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
It's done by age, you know, like the first year
of life is age zero, then age one is your
second year of life, and so forth. So you if
you know your age, you can go back and look,
and you can even look at the very time period,
what period you were in, one of your which one
of your planetary periods you were in at that time,
And you can look at those cards and the cards
for the year and say, well, does that match what
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happened to me? And you'll find it. I guarantee you'll
find it.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Can the cards tell you when you're going to die?
Speaker 4 (49:46):
You know?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
I looked for myself, and I was told by my
first card teacher never to predict anyone's death, you know,
And because you know it, it creates karma. Like if
I if I gave you a reading and I told
you five things or four things that were so right on,
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and then I told you you're going to die, You're
gonna believe me. That's that's a heavy burden. I would
never do that. I would never, so I never I
never do now I have. I've had a lot of
clients who come to me like when is my dad
or my mom going to die? Sometimes they're waiting for money.
I mean, I've seen the best and worst of people
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in my practice. You know, so well they just want
to know. They're just concerned, you know, And sometimes you
can see it, uh, and I will I will say
there's a possibility with this whatever like that. But I
never say definitely someone's going to die, because I don't
really know, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Do you feel like by giving a date then they
can make it happen because they believe it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Perhaps, But I never again, I never tell then this
is going to happen. I'd say, you know, it's a
possibility here. I mean, I've had I've seen my best friend,
actually my best friend growing up. Him and his siblings
couldn't wait for their mom to die. They were so
mean to her. I was I couldn't believe it. It was
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it seemed to be really cruel to me when she
got really ill, the way they treated her, And I
just couldn't believe people did that. You know, it just
just amazed me, you know, how that happened. So it's
all very individual. It's all very individual. And of course
you know by now there's just any possibility of anything
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in this world. It's especially lately it's a madhouse.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
These are indeed wild times, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Three ring circus and we know how the jokers are exactly.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
By the way, by the way, December thirty first is
a joker card, and that's one birthday that we cannot read.
In this system, you cannot read jokers. They're like the
enigma of the whole system because of the a joker
can be any card in the deck at any moment.
Then they can change Anthony Hopkins, Val Kimmer, who else.
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There several amazing actors that are jokers. They can become
that character.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
So Charlotteton's basically yeah, they can't.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Chamelions. I guess that's what I meant to say that Chamelion,
that's better.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
If a listener wants to go deeper, which foundational resources
that you offer? Which would you start with?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well, I would get the love cards and cards of
your destiny books first off. Start there, and then we
have a lot of I have a lot of courses
on my website, recorded classes if you need help getting
deeper into it. We take people all the way from
a beginner to being a professional reader. We have a
ten month training program we do every year. We're in
the middle of one right now. Well, we have usually
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around thirty people learning to be professional card readers certified.
We certify them, you know, we teach them in the
way that I learned it, and we make sure that
when they come out of there, they're able to do
amazing readings that can transform a person's life.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Well, it's that time in the show, Robert, when I
get to ask you, what's your mission?
Speaker 3 (53:25):
My mission? I discovered this thirty before, just before, just
as I was getting into the card. So I narrowed
it down and I'm my mission is and it hasn't changed.
To bring knowledge from the past into the present, knowledge
from the ancient past that was enlightened past into the present,
to benefit people, to benefit mankind.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
That beautiful, beautiful mission.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
How do you feel that that applies to now? Particularly
you're bringing time things from ancient How does it apply
right now?
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Well, this system comes from the Agent, and you know
it came from a time when that was a pure
spiritual knowledge. So the more I spread this around, the
more that people read my books, the more people are helped.
I get, you know, I get feedback almost every day
from people that have been lives have been transformed by
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the knowledge that's given in the books. So I'm very
content about that.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Unfortunately, Robert, we're out of time. Thank you so much
for all you do and for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Well, that's a pleasure to meet you, and I hope
to see you again.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
To me, I think we'll com plan on it.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Once again, our guest this hour has been Robert Lee Camp, author, astrologer,
and creator of the Cards of Your Destiny. To discover
what your birthcard reveals about your soul's path destiny, visit
his website at cardsof your Destiny dot com, where you
can also access past episodes and guest information. This has
been Mission Evolution, dedicated to guiding humanity towards a more
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conscious and connected future. I'm wildered wei Yuka. Until next time,
May you embrace your soul with courage, wisdom and heart.
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host of Mission Evolution, Miss Gwildawieka.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is Mission Evolution, where we explore the evolution of
consciousness and the human experience. I'm your host, Guildoweka. Our
guest is ours Robert Lee Camp, internationally recognized author, master astrologer,
and creator of The Cards of Your Destiny, a groundbreaking
system that blends astrology, numerology, and ancient wisdom to reveal
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the hidden blueprint of our lives. Through decades of research
spiritual insight, Robert has helped thousands discover their purpose, timing,
and relationship dynamics to the unique power of playing cards.
Join us as we explore how the fascinating ancient science
can illuminate our journey of personal and spiritual evolution. To
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learn more, visit his website at Cardsofyour Destiny dot com. Robert,
thank you so much for joining Lan's omission evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Thank you. I'm great to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
For our listeners. New to your work.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What is the science of the cards and how does
it differ from astrology or numerology.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, it's, you know, like you can take a numerology
and then you can take astrology, and they may give
you the same information or a lot of the same information,
but they do it in a different way. And the
card system is more akin to well, it's really more
akin to astrology because it has planetary influences as well
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in it, So from that point of view, it's more
like astrology, but it's its own system. And according to
the most ancient sources that came from Atlantis twenty thousand
years ago. We can't prove that, but that's all we
know about it, really. But when we look at a
deck of cards and see how it connects with the
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calendar of the Earth, most people don't realize the significance
of it. How a deck of cards is so correlated
to the cycles of the Earth, it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Excuse me, I'm having a little bit problem with my
voice here. You say, each person is born to a
specific card.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Every day of the year is governed by a card
and the one on the day you're born. It's it's
almost like your astrological sign, but it's a lot more
detailed than that. It's a lot more detailed than just
your astrological side. Yeah, it tell us a lot about you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So from all the different angles that you're coming in,
it's almost like triangulation, isn't it. You know, where you
get information from lots of different places and then focus,
I mean to get a single answer.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yes, yes, So your card happens to be the Seven Clubs.
That's your birth card. You have other cards too, because
it's a long story, but there's more than one card,
usually from most people that are significators of who you are.
So this but just looking at the Seven Clubs, the
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essential nature of that card is spiritual knowledge. Spiritual knowledge.
It's funny that you and Robert both seven o'club and
you're both doing spiritual knowledge. That's what you're doing. You're
taking that to the world, you know, and it's part
of my life path too. The Seven o' clubs falls
in the cars that are considered in my life path.
Everybody has a life path, okay, but the seven sits
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right in the center of a suit. If you go
from the ace to the king, in the very center
is the seventh, and the seven has one foot in
the mundane world and one foot in the spiritual realm.
So they bring the spiritual into the mundane. That's the
highest the highest offering of a seven o'clubs. The highest
expression is to bring one who brings spiritual knowledge to
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the world, from the spiritual into the mundane world. See,
and when you're a seven, though, there's always a there's
always a challenge to every card too, you know. So
the challenge of a seven is sometimes they're just totally enlightened,
like they feel so enlightened, they're just connected to the universe,
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like on the spiritual level. And the other times they
get dragged down by the mundane world. They feel down
or depressed. Sometimes at time to time they can be
very critical. They can be very critical sometimes kind of
you know, that's my card too. I have the same quality.
I have to really watch myself because I can be
so looking at everything, like the glass half empty, you know,
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and everything. So, you know, Robin Williams was the seven
of club's. All seven of clubs people have like a gift,
a mental gift, like they have a connection to this
other realm. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So you said the highest expression, what do you mean
by that?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Well, the lowest expression would be like depressed, complaining negative,
you know about stuff, you know, looking at everything like
it's bad. And the highest expression is like freedom from
all of that and connected to the universe, connected to
the higher realms, higher realms of knowledge, you know, and
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receiving information from the higher realms.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You understand, I do.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
William Robi Williams. I met him a couple of times.
That man, he just channeled comedy, just let it come through.
And he was doing that all the time. He never
stopped doing that. It wasn't like he was doing that
as an act. That's what he did all day long.
You know, whoever he was with what he was doing,
he was the stuff with us coming through and like that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I understand a lot of times he would go off
script and just pop through with something that was even
funnier than probably.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
What was written.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I mean, almost all the time, that's what he did.
I mean even in his stand up things. And you know,
he wasn't like he wasn't like other comedians that would
work really hard. I don't think on some kind of
a script that he was going to memorize and then do.
He just would just let it flow, and it flowed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, how did the system originate historically?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, all every major ancient civilization claims to have invented
the deck of cards, the Indians, the Chinese, who else,
all of them? Whatever. So the first book that was
ever written about the system to reveal it to the
world was written in eighteen ninety five by a man
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named Olney Richmond. And he was a soldier in the
Civil War, and he was a mathematician. He was a
homeopathic apothecary. He was the world's chess checker champion three
years in a row. I mean, checkers seems really like
a child's game, but if you're really good at checkers,
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you can lose on the very first move. You know,
the whole game could be gone on the first move.
So he was a genius in his mind. And he
was approached after the Civil War by a man that
told him he was going to bring this card to
the world, And he had no idea what the guy
was talking about, and he doubted he he said, I'm
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not even going to live through the Civil War. All
my friends are getting killed, you know. But he he
said that this system came from Atlantis. And he had
a temple in Chicago later and he was an amazing guy.
He had reporters come and they would there's several reported accounts.
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A reporter would come to visit him in the temple
and only at Richmond would hand him an envelope that
was sealed. And after he had given him sort of
a tour around the temple, he said, let's do a
little experiment. And he would have the man shuffle cards
a deck of cards, and he would say, now, now
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lay them out and put four cards. He had like
a zodiac cloth that had twelve houses and they has
the center where the sun is, and he would he say,
put four cards at your own whatever you like. Put
four cards in each house and four in the center,
and that makes up the whole deck thirteen times for
so he would do that, and then he would say,
now roll the dice and whatever number comes up, pick
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up the cards in that house and turn them mobile.
And he would do that, and then he said, now
open the envelope, and in the omeleve it would say
if this reporter does this, ancient he called it an
Egyptian mystery number is something fifty seven or something. At
this time of day, he's going to pull out these
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four cards. There's several reported accounts of reporters that had
that happened to them on a visit to the temple.
So only had he had some information that we don't
even have access to, but he wrote a book called
the Mystic test Book, and that is like the first
book that it was ever published. He said the system
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was kept secret withou of years because we went through
very dark Agius, and you would have been murdered if
you had been practicing cards during the Dark Ages and
so forth. So it was it was basically unknown. I mean,
the cards were known by the Gypsies who worked in
the temples of Egypt. They saw the priest with these cards.
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They were on ivory tablets, by the way. They weren't
like a little playing cards, and the gypsies thought they
got something from it, and they started doing gypsy readings,
and you have a lot of gypsy fortune telling with
cards going on today even today. And the Toureau evolved
out of that. The Touro deck evolved out of that,
and of taking a deck of cards and adding in
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the Kabbala and so forth. So you know, everything evolved
out of the original deck, but the Gypsies didn't have
the full knowledge because they weren't they weren't priests in
the temple. It was only used by the priests in
the temple. But they did what they could, and the
cards got around and then it became poker and all
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So they didn't originate as a game.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
No, not at all. Because let's just just look at
a deck of cards, if you don't mind for just
a second. Okay, let's just look. Okay, So first of all,
you've got fifty two cards, right, we know that fifty
three with the joker, but fifty two number of weeks
in a year. Correct. We have four call we have
four suits, we have four seasons. We have two colors,
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red and black, we have day and night. We have
thirteen cards in each suit, and there are thirteen full
moons every year, thirteen moonar cycles each year. The word
moonth month comes from moon. It really should be moon,
and it should be there should be thirteen months in
a year. Honestly, I mean that's what it was originally
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made from. So then we take all the cards in
the deck and add up the number on the card
where an ace is a one, two, three, four to ten,
Jack is eleven, Queens are twelve, King thirteen, and you
add up those all the numbers of all the four
suits and you get exactly three hundred and sixty five.
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No other card deck does that, only the original deck.
And this is what this is what people don't realize.
They don't realize it's been right in front of them
this whole time.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It sounds like it's Earth instellar based, then yes it is.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And when we and the way the system works is
it divides up the year like your personal year. It
divides up your year starting on your birthday, into seven periods,
each fifty two days long, okay, and each one is
named after a planet. Firstus, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus,
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and Neptune. These seven periods are and there's cards in
each of these periods. This is all done mathematically, by
the way, it's not nothing random about it. There's no
shuffling and laying them out. It's all calculated. Come to
your birthday. I have your cards for this year right
in front of me right now, you know, and I
have next year, just want to click a button. I
created software that did it. Because it's complicated, it's it's
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I learned it. It was I learned it the ancient way,
and it was very easy to make mistakes. So I
just put it into a computer so I wouldn't make mistakes.
I didn't like to make those mistakes. But anyway, so
we have cards in every period you have you have
at least six cards in each period, and these cards
tell you what's happening during that fifty two day period,
who is happening with and is it a good thing
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for you or is it a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, we're going to have to go deeper into this
on the other side of a station break, Robert and
I will return very shortly, so don't go away. This
is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution dot org. How
does this work? With this this hour discussing Cards of
your destiny? Is Robert Lee Camp? Robert continue, you were
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giving an example of how it works.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, so let's see. I think, Oh, I tried this before.
I couldn't share just a part of my screen that
I wanted me to share, the whole screen, but it's
my screen is way too big to share, but I
have a software program that you could see all the
cards laid out. Okay, But so on your birthday, you
start a new year, and you enter the Mercury period.
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During the Mercury period, you're in the Neptune period right now,
the last period of the year. But on your birthday
here in a week or so, we actually, yeah, even
less than a week, You're going to start a whole
new year, okay, And everything shifts a little bit on
your birthday because you have you have five cards that
influence every influence the entire year. So everything kind of shifts.
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Sometimes it's not that different, but sometimes it's very different,
and it happens right on your birthday. You do have
a whole new set of cards that you're going to
live through for that year. And these cards are like
mirror of what's happening in your life. So if you
don't mind, I'll give you just a quick overview of
what I see for this coming.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Year for you don't mind at all, Thank you for so.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
One thing I see is that we have what's called
a long range card for every year that tells like
it's like the headline of the year, and you have
three different cards to consider. You're a seven o'club, but
you're also a jack of clubs, and you're also a
jack of diamonds. Okay, these are your three currents. So
each of those has its own spread, and each of them,
each of those has its own long range card. So
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the three of diamonds is a long range card in
your first spread, and that means that you're going to
be making money for more than one source. You're going
to be branching out and looking and having financial financial
finances coming from different directions more than you are now
for whatever reason, you know, I don't know what that's
going to mean exactly, but that's what the cards say,
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and the cards have been. We have an old saying
people will lie, but the cards never lie. In your
other spread, you have an Ace of Hearts long range. Now,
this is a This is the first card in the
deck as of Hearts. It's the first class card is
the King of Spades. First card is the Hearts. As
of Hearts is the card of like, what do I love?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
What is really like? It's it's it's like I think
you're going to go through a process of examination of
your life, a re examination of your life and say, well,
here I am, Now what do I really love? What?
What really is it that I want to do? What
is it that I who do I want to be with?
Where do I want to live? I mean, all those
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things could be up for questioning, But the question is
what do you really love that you want to put
yourself into. That's going to be a big theme for
you this coming year. Okay, you might already feel it coming,
you know, by this time, because you're only like two
days away or three days away. And then I see
you doing more of what you're doing now with the
spiritual knowledge. I don't see that change. But there may
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be some other aspect of your life where you're going
to examine it, is this really what I really want
to keep doing or what I really love to do?
And you'll be making some most likely some changes as
a result of that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
There you have it, many tools, promised destiny insights in
your view.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
What makes card based timing so accurate?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Well, it's you know, when I first when I first
was introduced to this, I thought, I'm not going to
just believe in this, you know, I want to test
it out. I want to test it, And so I
tested it for a year. But on the very first day,
like I took a class with this deep my teacher,
my first teacher in LA And on the very first class,
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he showed us how to look up our cards for
the current time period. And right there in the card
that I had that I found for myself was something
that had just happened the day before. I couldn't believe.
It just blew me away. It's like it was a
secret thing. It was something that already knew about, something
I wasn't one telling anybody about it, and there it was.
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I was like, oh my god, And so it hooked
me from the beginning. But I still didn't want to
just give it my you know, my belief whatever. So
I tested it for a year. It just it just
has never failed me. You know, it just continues. And
I have so many clients and students that just tell
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me these amazing stories of how these cards I've predicted
the birthday of children that were going to be born.
I predicted all kinds of stuff, you know, I mean,
and I use astrology as well, so I have both
tools at my disposal, and when I see it in both,
I say it with one hundred percent confidence. This is
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what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It sounds like this gets very in depth into a
person's private stuff. Like you said, you didn't even tell
anybody about what did show up. I mean, you didn't
tell anybody of an incident that did show up. Are
there some ethics that go along with this because it
is so accurate?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Well, I think eventually there will be some ethical considerations.
Right now, people don't take it all that seriously, you know,
but it's obviously. I mean I use it in all
of my relationships. Like if I'm hiring somebody for something
or going to be working with somebody, I get their
birthday right away because I want to know how do
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we connect and what's the very nature of this person,
you know, Like I recently had some solar work, some
solar panels and things installed in their home. And when
I found out the name of the birthday of the
main guy, I realized there's a potential problem here because
I've had issues with this birthday before and they have
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a lack of morality let's just call it when it
comes to money. And sure enough, that's how it turned out.
He gave me an estimate and he came back to
something entirely different, and I had to show him the estimate,
and I ended up like cutting the project off right
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in the middle because I could tell he just wasn't
on the up and up. He was pulling a fast one.
And maybe I projected at end of the situation because
I had had happened before, But it hasn't. This is
the third time I've met person of that birthday who
has those cards who acted that way. So you know,
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I'm not going to say everybody who's that card is
going to be like this, but it seems to be
a pretty strong pattern with certain cards. You know. I
don't know if that answers your question or not.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It does. Yeah, for skeptics, what repeatable patterns or case
studies convinced you this system is real world validity?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Well, I mean I saw this was a long time ago.
I remember when OJ Simpson's wife and best friend were
murdered and I looked in OJ's cards and I didn't
see any signs of tragedy. I saw signs of success.
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Blew me away. I was like, what, these cars must
not be right, And then I realized, Oh, this wasn't
a tragedy for him. This was mission accomplished for him,
you know. And as I learned the cards more and
more it all became obvious. And I also looked at
in Ron Goldman's cards and his wife Nicole, and I
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saw where I wouldn't have predicted death for them, like
not knowing them very well. But perhaps if I had
known the whole situation, I mind, if I had known
more about how their interactions had been prior to the event.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I've had so many I can't even count all
the times people have come back to me who have
gotten readings and said, you know, everything you said happened
just like you said.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You know, I was.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I did a lot of radio shows in the beginning.
Back then it was radio, you know, we didn't have
podcasts and all this stuff, and all the guy all
the radio guys would call me mister Destiny. So I
ended up with this mister Destiny moniker from making doing
predictions readings for their listeners. They would call in and
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I would, you know, give a quick reading, and then
they would call back later and go, you know, so
I've just seen it. I've just seen it. It's proved
itself to me just so many times. I can't personally,
I can't. I can't deny it. And I think if
you understood how the system actually originates, how it is
actually formed, how these yearly spreads come to be, which
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is a mathematical process, but not like a not like
a regular math process, but more like a spiritual math process.
Even though it is mathematical. Once a person kind of
gets into it and it looks at it deeper, it
instills a sense of like it's really connected to this
world that we live in. It's it's super connected to
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the life that we live here. That's how I see it.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
How can listeners start using their birthcard and planetary ruling
card in daily decision making?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, there are actually even cards for every day, and
they can go to my website and find out what
their birth caard is, what their card for this year is,
the main card, what the what the card for this
planetary period is, and the card for this day for free.
It's right there on the front page of Cards in
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your Destiny dot com. Now as soon as if they
want to get into it. I have two books. One
is called the Cards. It's called The Cards of Your
Destiny that's available on Amazon and it's in some bookstores
or through our website. And then there's another book called
Love Cards, and Love Cards tells you all about your personality,
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of your birthday, and your relationship karma, and it tells
you how to do a relationship reading with other people
that you're involved with, so you find out what the
connections are and what that really means, what's going on
with you and your relationship?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Do the cards carry?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
They seem so complex and coming from so many different angles.
Can you also use those cards to decide where to
live or say, for instance, can you use those cards
on a company versus an individual?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We have we've used the cards on companies individuals. What
was the first one you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
The first one was you know, I know, astrologically, you
could do a reading and figure out where's the best
place for you to be on the planet right now?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, well I use astrology for that. I use astro
cartography for that for that one. Now there is like, okay,
you can take like every state has a birthday and
every town has a birthday, like a data incorporation or
you know, so you can get the card of a
place and see if you're compatible with that card. And
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some people swear by that I haven't used that as
much as I use astro cartography. Astrocryotography has been so
accurate for me. I just you know, don't even need
another one to do. But there was a whole book
written about using the cards for location where you would live,
you know, knowing the card of the place.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So say, for instance, I'm going to start a business,
if I before I initiated, if I look up various dates,
will there are days that a.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Better There days that are way better for business. So
every every card in the deck has a certain karma
in regards to relationship, business, and health. Okay, every card.
So there are certain cards that have really good money karma. Okay.
So you want to have your business own one of
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these cards, start your business on one of these days
that is ruled by that card, because it's it's going
to be way better. It's just going to be better.
Your birth the birthday of your business is an entity,
just like the birthday of a country or a birthday
of a state or a city. It's going to be
the birthday of this entity, which is your business. And
you want to have one that's a powerful money maker
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if you can, you know, and I tell I've answered
that question so many times for people. And there's a
couple you know. I could tell you now, but it
wouldn't make any wouldn't really help you because you don't
even know what days match which cards and all that stuff,
you know, But it's easy to find.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Out how to compatibility readings with the cards illuminate strengths
and friction points and relationship.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, the cards are the basic way cards are arranged.
I don't you can see this. This is this is
what we call the Grand Solar spreads. Everything comes from
here and I'm just showing you briefly so you get
an idea. But every car, every.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Hang on, hang under that because we're going to have
to take a station.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Break on the other side.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Robert and I will be right back to continue our discussion,
So you stay right there. This is Mission Evolution www
dot Mission evolution dot org. This is Mission Evolution, Mission
evolution dot org. With us is master Astrologer Robert Lee Camp. Robert,
you were about to show us something. You had a
demonstration you were holding up. It's a little hard to
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because it really.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
See briefly, how these are all the cards in the
deck in two different formations. One's called the lifespread, and
one's called the spiritual spread. And all of our relationship
stuff is done by the relationship between any two cards here.
And if every two cards have some kind of connection,
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and usually multiple connections, but the first ones, like if
you have cards, for example, there are two spaces apart,
that's called a Venus connection, okay, And Venus means you
guys are going to have stuff in common, You're going
to get along, you're going to like each other just
because you do. It's just it's a good one for marriage,
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a good one for friendship, a good one for any relationship.
Really is a Venus connection. And then there's like you
have a Mars card, which is somebody that excites you
but may also make you mad or angry. Okay, you know,
like Mars is a little bit. Mars is good in
the relationship because it's good for sex, it's good for
doing things. Too much Mars will be justighting, you know,
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fighting constantly. I've had that. I've experienced that myself. I
had one that's just had too much MARDs. We couldn't
even have a conversation without arguing. So then there's Jupiter
and there's Saturn and the Saturn is the worst. You
don't want to be, you know, you wouldn't pick somebody
who's your saturn car, which is five spaces away from
(29:22):
your car in any direction, so you know, and you
are saturn to somebody as well. Everybody is have somebody
that's Saturn to them and somebody that you're saturn to.
So it's knowing which connections are the best for relationship,
and it's knowing which one is to avoid because those
are going to come up in a relationship. And there's
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also a moon connection, which is when two cars are
right next to each other. It's called sun and moon. Okay,
so the one is in the front, the sun card
will be the boss. They'll always be the boss. And
the one that's on the backside will be the support person.
And it could be the girl or the guy, it
doesn't matter. But the one on the front is going
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to be the one who's driving the ship. They can
devote to where it's going, and the one is the passenger,
you know. So and that's the most common connection, by
the way, in all marriages, almost all marriages, over ninety
percent of marriages have one or more Moon connections. Inspires marriage,
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you know, Sun and moon male female together like that.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, what card signatures tend to appear in entrepreneurs, artists,
or healers.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Healers can often be nine's because nine is this really
compassionate car that likes to take care of people, like
they would work in hospices, or they'd be a counselor too.
People that are minds really go for that. Business is
usually diamonds. You know, you have a diamond. One of
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your cars is a jack of diamonds. You're in a
seven of clubs, a jacket clubs, and a jacket diamonds.
So you've got a little bit of money thing going on,
you know. And I'm a Queen of diamonds and an
Asa diamonds. I got to money cards, so you know,
I'm about making money. I was making money when I
was six years old, you know, I was out there
(31:22):
doing lemonade stands and stuff. It's just like it's interesting.
You know, if your birth card, your first card is
a diamond, it's a little stronger, but it can be
also there present there as well when it's your ruling card,
which is what your jacks are. There ruling cards and
jacket clubs and jack of diamonds. Okay, So entrepreneurs are
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usually diamonds, not always, but usually there's other cars that
can be because of other connections in their lifespread, but
generally they're diamonds that are more interested in money, like
an ASA diamonds person, whish I am, and that's what
my cars. And I've met a lot of as of
diamonds women. And you know, they got to have their business.
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They cannot they cannot not have a business. They have
to have a career. They have to be making money.
They have to be proving to themselves in the world
that they're going to that they're they're valuable, that they
have value by how much money they make. You know,
it's so obvious with them. And there's twelve birth there's
twelve birthdays of that car. So there's a lot of
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them out there, you know, a lot of them. Anyway,
Does that answer it? I'm not sure if I answered that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah you did.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, you know, here, you're a seven. Seven and nine
are the two spiritual numbers. So anybody who is a
seven or nine can be very spiritual. You know, Einstein
was a nine of diamonds and a two of spades,
so he he he was very psychic. By the way,
the nines are very psychic, so he was very psychic.
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But it was also that two spades is such a
strong mental card, really like a genius kind of card.
So he had this he was a genius that also
had this other side where he was connected to the
unseen realms like seven, the clubs like yours, you know.
But that two spades allowed him to put that into
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into writing, into bring that out to the world, you know.
So it's very fascinating when you get into it.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
How do you counsel someone who spread shows challenging cards
without installing fear.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Well, I tried to. I look at there are challenging cards,
they come up, you know, and but every every challenging
card has a potential to be a breakthrough, like a
personal breakthrough. Because the sevens and nine are considered bad cards. Okay,
if you have a seven or nine coming up in
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your yearly spread of cards, it's often a problem to challenge.
But all of these cards can be transformed by changing
one's attitude or looking within, see what's going on here?
What's going on? Like when you have a nine showing
up in a spread, something's going to end either a relationship,
a lifestyle choice. It could be a death of somebody
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close to you with a nine, depending on the position
and the suit of the card and so forth. But
it's going to be an ending when you have a nine.
So usually if it's in a bad position like Saturn
in the Saturn period, it means I'm not going to
like this nine. I'm going to think I shouldn't lose this,
But in fact you do. The universe is trying to
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tell you is this has got to go. It's time
to flush the toilet, it's time to let go. You know,
you think it's good for you, but it's actually not.
And so on the other side of this, people always
come out, whether they fight it or whether they let
go soon. On the other end, they always think this
had to happen, this was the right thing. In retrospect,
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they always look back and they go, well that I
can see why that had to happen the way that
it happened.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
In our culture. Yeah, in our culture we don't let
go easily.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
We keep building and building, but we don't like them, and.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We're very materialistic really, you know, our whole society has
based on like getting more money, getting more fame and
so forth and so forth. So you know, if a
person is very materialistic, these sevens and nines are going
to be nothing but major problems and suffering. But if
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you have a spiritual side, it becomes like an opportunity.
They have a breakthrough. And I've had many sevens and
nine that showed up in the beginning being a real
problem that turned into like amazing breakthroughs, personal breakthroughs.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You know, do most cards are all cards have a
positive and a negative?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yes? Yeah, absolutely, every card. There's no such thing as
a bad card. I mean, the Ace of Spades, you know,
has been a symbol for death for a long long time.
I don't know if you've seen, but like there's pictures
of people that were murdered by the mafia and there'll
be an asa spades thrown on their chest, you know,
(36:21):
and and there's just so many examples of that. But
the Ace of Spades is one of the most spiritual
cards in the whole decade. It means transformation, which is
which death is a transformation. But people don't realize that
it has this other meaning of spiritual transformation, you know,
and it actually the Ace of Spades is the card
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that represents this entire system. It is the card that
is the symbol for the order of the Magi, who
are the ones that kept this knowledge alive for centuries.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Transmutation it is finest exactly you.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Know what you like it or not, you know. And
some cards are very resistant to change, and they have
a hard time when the time comes to let go
or to shift, you know, but other cards don't. It
just varies, it's all. It's all very unique to each person.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Where do you believe personal choice fits in within card
indicated cycles.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, some of the things that happen are destined to
happen because they're karma. They you know, they occurred because
of something that happened in the past which had to
be worked out in the future. You know, like if
you kick a ball, if you see a ball rolling,
you know somebody kicked it right. So like a lot
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of the karma that we experienced in our lifetime, it
comes from past lives and from earlier in our life.
In this lifetime, mostly from past life. I mean, in astrology,
and I'll read an astrology card chart I'm reading, I'm
reading a blueprint of a person's past life karma that's
coming to fruition in this lifetime. That's what it is.
And a friend of mine called it the spiritual DNA,
(38:09):
you know, and uh, and astrology in the cards are
like so so tight together and so you know, Uh,
most of what happens to us, especially early in our
life is karmen. So where the choice comes in is
how do we how do we do how do we
deal with it when it comes up? You know, what
(38:31):
do we do with it? And a lot of it's
good karma too, you know, a lot of if you
I tell you people this, a lot if you look
at the best things in life that happened to you,
like opportunities that arose and and things, and how you
chose the career you're in, you'll you'll realize that you
had nothing to do with it. These things just happened
to you. They were they were good things that came
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to you because they were your destiny. They were karima
from past life. So a lot of karma from doing
good deeds. And then there's an other camera from not
being aware of how we hurt other people that comes
into play, and we have to be on the other
end of that to see what it's like to get
the whole picture. You know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It sounds like the cards. Let you know what the
wave is, but how you surf it is up to you.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, exactly, this like an event's going to happen with
Some of these events are not going to be welcome
because you know, we want everything to go our way
and life doesn't doesn't work that way, you know, So
all this stuff's going to happen that we don't like,
(39:38):
and we're gonna whatever, bitch and complain or we're going
to like look at it as why am I fighting
against reality?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
You know?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Maybe I can because a seven and nine can bring
the most profound spiritual experiences in life, you know. And
I know you as a seven of clubs. I know
you've had some of those. You have to you can't
be set them without having had these or a nine
for that matter. Okay, you have to so you understand
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Are there evolutionary themes such as the way the cards
point to sole growth across a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Well, you know, evolutionary growth, in my opinion, is really
very personal for each individual, you know, So like you
can find one hundred people of the same birthday and
they're going to play those cards out a little differently.
They're not not all of them are going to be
spiritually oriented, some of them, maybe some of them, some
of them may become enlightened before they're twenty years old,
(40:39):
you know, because they're past like karma. But they are
this card, you know. I mean, I have met a
few enlightened people in my lifetime, and sometimes they are
a card that you wouldn't even consider would be enlightened.
It's like, you know, but they are. They're an enlightened
version of this card. They're not there's their ego is gone.
There's no ego, there's no negativity at all. And these
(41:00):
people that I've met, and yet they're a card that
usually is like problem making card. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
Please stay with This is Robert and I continue to
explore discovering your destiny. This is Mission Evolution www. Dot
Mission evolution dot org. What if I'm a newbie, this
is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. We're continuing our
(41:30):
discussion with author Robert Lee Camp his website Cards Off
your Destiny dot com. So what are a few practical
dues and don'ts for beginners?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Pulling their first breads.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Well, you know, my book, The Cards of Your Destiny
tells you how to do your own yearly readings or
readings for anybody else for that matter. And there's about
twenty five to thirty pages of instruction that leads you
through doing the first read. And you know, one has
(42:04):
to be patient enough to read those twenty five pages. Okay,
some people open up the book and they see all
these spreads and they go, oh, my god, this is
too complicated. I can't do this, you know, instead of
just reading the instructions because all this information is to
the spreads are necessary because it has everyone's life to
age one hundred. In the book, there's about you know,
(42:26):
fifty or one hundred pages of justice spreads. But it's
not that complicated if you just read, take it step
by step and go into it. So I always recommend
the book because there's no there's no online course that
teaches you from the very beginning, and you need to
have those access to those spreads in order to do
(42:46):
the reading. You have to be able to look them
up and see, you know, oh do I have where
an I'm oh, I'm into my Mars period right now.
And these are the cars, and then the book tells
you what those cards mean in the Mars period, in
every period, So there's a lot of interpretation of the
cards in there. There's some basic instructions, and once you
get into it, you can go. I've had people go
right into doing readings, you know, for other people right away.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It's it's it's actually the easiest of all the systems
to learn. I think, in my opinion, it takes longer
to master it, but you can get valuable information from
it right away, like within within an hour of picking
up the book and reading it. Yeah, well I love book.
Sorry I didn't mean answer.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Have you seen the cards help resolving long standing patterns
such as health, finances or relationships?
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes? Well, you know there are certain birthdays that are
born with a lifetime of health challenges and we know those,
we know what they are, and we know which ones
could possibly have that issue, and it turns out that
a lot of them do, not every single one, but
(44:03):
most of them do. You know, there's certain birthdays and
if they were to look at the card and they
would go into that, well, what is it? What is
it that I need to to learn here? Like what
is it? What is this? Why do I have this existence?
And what is it that that I can be with
(44:24):
and have a breakthrough? I mean, look at Stephen Hawkings. Okay,
Stephen Hawkings. He never once complained about his condition, and
he was you know, in the end, he couldn't even
move his lips.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Was he a seven or nine?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I forget, I looked him up once. Yeah, I think
he was. Might might have been a seven of spade
or or card, because the seven of spades is usually
the card that has challenges on the on the physical level,
whereas the seven of clubs will have challenges on the
mental level, and the seven of diamonds will have challenges
on the financial level, and the seven or hearts will
have challenges on the relationship level. So they are challenging cards.
(45:05):
You know, I forget what is I could look it up.
But you know, when you when you look at that,
you realize that it's possible to have the worst things
happen to you and yet not have a negative relationship
with it, you know. So that's the challenge, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
What boundaries do you keep when reading for sensitive topics
like illness or loss?
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Well, I, first of all, I don't have any negative
I don't have any negative judgments about anything pretty much,
you know, like I'm not going to say, oh, you know,
you're bad or there's something really bad, like I all
say this, this could be a real challenging period for you.
(45:53):
It may or may not be, but if it is,
it's going to be about this. It's going to be.
This is the challenge of facing with this. Now. I've
had some clients that are extremely materialistic, and all they
want to know is am I going to make money?
Am I going to get married? Am I gonna you
know whatever? Am I going to travel? Buy house? Whatever?
And I give them the best I can, you know,
(46:14):
I give them the best I can. And I'm on
so I'll say, you know, if I don't see it,
I say, I don't see that, And sometimes it comes
out and the conversation before the readings are that they
really don't want to move, They really don't want what
they say they want. You know, it just you have
to be just kind of like patient and just kind
of go into it. But I don't. I don't care
(46:34):
any judgment about it. So I'm not putting that charge
on it. I'm pretty sure, you know, with my.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Readings basically meeting a person where they're at.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, I want to. I want to know where they're at,
because you know, are they materialistic or are they more spiritual?
How attached are they to their problems? How attached are
they to their negative story about their life? How attached
are they to there whatever their relationship or their money.
You know, I want to know where they're coming from,
(47:07):
and then I try to sort of ease them into
looking at it in a better way and showing and
letting the cards show them a pathway that can lead
them out of wherever they want to whether they are
to where they want to be. You know, it's my
intention anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Which leads me to my next question, how can these
cards be used for the evolution of mankind?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Sting has Sting the musician from the police. He had
a song called all This Time, and the very last
line of the song is men go crazy in congregations.
They only get better one by one. So I have
not found a way to use the cards to make
a prediction about society in general, but I have I
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have been able to help a lot of individuals, and
that's what I focus on. So any individual, this system
is inherently spiritual, but it's whatever the person takes from it.
I taught a class once to a group of people
in Las Vegas, Nevada. Okay, all I wanted to know was,
(48:17):
guess what, how can we use these cards to win
at gambling.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
For the lottery?
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, and you know what, most of them moved there
for that very reason. And these were spirits. These are
quasi spiritual people. Okay, they were spiritual and they were gamblers.
And I was like, this is so crazy. I thought
it was just crazy.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
How as a divinational tool, how accurate can they be?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's mind blowing actually, because you can take the book
the cards you're destined. You look on your past. You
can say, okay, I got married when I was twenty
eight or whatever, and you can go back and look
and see if that card was there. You can test it.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
How do you go back and look?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, it has your whole life of the book, from
birth to age one hundred.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Particularly that year.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
It's done by age, you know, like the first year
of life is age zero, then age one is your
second year of life, and so forth. So you if
you know your age, you can go back and look,
and you can even look at the very time period,
what period you were in, one of your which one
of your planetary periods you were in at that time,
And you can look at those cards and the cards
for the year and say, well, does that match what
(49:34):
happened to me? And you'll find it. I guarantee you'll
find it.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Can the cards tell you when you're going to die?
Speaker 4 (49:46):
You know?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
I looked for myself, and I was told by my
first card teacher never to predict anyone's death, you know,
And because you know it, it creates karma. Like if
I if I gave you a reading and I told
you five things or four things that were so right on,
(50:07):
and then I told you you're going to die, You're
gonna believe me. That's that's a heavy burden. I would
never do that. I would never, so I never I
never do now I have. I've had a lot of
clients who come to me like when is my dad
or my mom going to die? Sometimes they're waiting for money.
I mean, I've seen the best and worst of people
(50:29):
in my practice. You know, so well they just want
to know. They're just concerned, you know, And sometimes you
can see it, uh, and I will I will say
there's a possibility with this whatever like that. But I
never say definitely someone's going to die, because I don't
really know, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Do you feel like by giving a date then they
can make it happen because they believe it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Perhaps, But I never again, I never tell then this
is going to happen. I'd say, you know, it's a
possibility here. I mean, I've had I've seen my best friend,
actually my best friend growing up. Him and his siblings
couldn't wait for their mom to die. They were so
mean to her. I was I couldn't believe it. It was
(51:17):
it seemed to be really cruel to me when she
got really ill, the way they treated her, And I
just couldn't believe people did that. You know, it just
just amazed me, you know, how that happened. So it's
all very individual. It's all very individual. And of course
you know by now there's just any possibility of anything
(51:38):
in this world. It's especially lately it's a madhouse.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
These are indeed wild times, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Three ring circus and we know how the jokers are exactly.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
By the way, by the way, December thirty first is
a joker card, and that's one birthday that we cannot read.
In this system, you cannot read jokers. They're like the
enigma of the whole system because of the a joker
can be any card in the deck at any moment.
Then they can change Anthony Hopkins, Val Kimmer, who else.
(52:16):
There several amazing actors that are jokers. They can become
that character.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
So Charlotteton's basically yeah, they can't.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Chamelions. I guess that's what I meant to say that Chamelion,
that's better.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
If a listener wants to go deeper, which foundational resources
that you offer? Which would you start with?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Well, I would get the love cards and cards of
your destiny books first off. Start there, and then we
have a lot of I have a lot of courses
on my website, recorded classes if you need help getting
deeper into it. We take people all the way from
a beginner to being a professional reader. We have a
ten month training program we do every year. We're in
the middle of one right now. Well, we have usually
(53:04):
around thirty people learning to be professional card readers certified.
We certify them, you know, we teach them in the
way that I learned it, and we make sure that
when they come out of there, they're able to do
amazing readings that can transform a person's life.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Well, it's that time in the show, Robert, when I
get to ask you, what's your mission?
Speaker 3 (53:25):
My mission? I discovered this thirty before, just before, just
as I was getting into the card. So I narrowed
it down and I'm my mission is and it hasn't changed.
To bring knowledge from the past into the present, knowledge
from the ancient past that was enlightened past into the present,
to benefit people, to benefit mankind.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
That beautiful, beautiful mission.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
How do you feel that that applies to now? Particularly
you're bringing time things from ancient How does it apply
right now?
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Well, this system comes from the Agent, and you know
it came from a time when that was a pure
spiritual knowledge. So the more I spread this around, the
more that people read my books, the more people are helped.
I get, you know, I get feedback almost every day
from people that have been lives have been transformed by
(54:23):
the knowledge that's given in the books. So I'm very
content about that.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Unfortunately, Robert, we're out of time. Thank you so much
for all you do and for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Well, that's a pleasure to meet you, and I hope
to see you again.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
To me, I think we'll com plan on it.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Once again, our guest this hour has been Robert Lee Camp, author, astrologer,
and creator of the Cards of Your Destiny. To discover
what your birthcard reveals about your soul's path destiny, visit
his website at cardsof your Destiny dot com, where you
can also access past episodes and guest information. This has
been Mission Evolution, dedicated to guiding humanity towards a more
(55:06):
conscious and connected future. I'm wildered wei Yuka. Until next time,
May you embrace your soul with courage, wisdom and heart.
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