January 17, 2026 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In a world where movies rely on marketing more than
ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make
sense of it all. This is movies and marketing. Next
Saturday Night, where's sing you back to the future? Go ahead,
make my day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Corbut now you're crazy, Dutch bastard. What we've got here
is failure. Mel Gate. Take them as fresh all about,
we might be as well with them. I am an
as I'm agent. Well, we'll start it this way today. Monkeys, apes, gorillas, chimps, orangutangs, orangutans.
(00:54):
Can't forget about the orangutangs. They're the They're the greatest
of all. Well, all these primates have a long history
in movies. Let me ask you a little monkey related trivia, Patrick,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I love monkey related trivia.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You've always like more monkey related trivia?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I asked for it all the time, nobody ever gives
it to me.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it's usually has nothing to do with anything, But
today it's your lucky day. Start you off with a
tru or false? How about that? We never do it
true or false?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
True or false? I like those because I have a
fifty to fifty shot of getting it right.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, it's pretty good, all right. True or false, monkeys
were once dressed in human clothes to bypass film censorship rules. True,
of course, that's true comes from a fascinating and slightly
absurd chapter of early film censorship. In the early twentieth century,
(01:54):
especially during the Silent era and early sound era, filmmakers
operated under a mix of local censorship boards and later
the Haze Code, formally enforced starting in nineteen thirty four.
These rules tightly restricted what could be shown on screen,
including sexual or romantic behavior, criminal activity shown sympathetically, mockery
(02:15):
of authority or social norms.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Those things weren't all inclusive of monkeys.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, those were just things you could not show on screen.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, because that's a good determination there, because I was
like sexual with oh that's what.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, No, here's how it ties in. Animals existed in a
legal and moral gray area. So since monkeys weren't human,
filmmakers realized they could portray romantic or flirtatious behavior, showed drinking, smoking,
theft or mischieft, satirize human society or authority as long
(02:52):
as a monkey was doing it dressed as a human.
See you dress up a monkey? In clothes. You know,
they can get romantic, they can be a criminal, they
can steal something, they can make fun of authority figures
because it's not a person doing those things.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How weird are we?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah? How far we've come.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To or haven't come? Weird? Little piece of film history
that monkeys are involved in. Let me take you forward
in time, back to one of your favorite years, nineteen
ninety five. I don't know if that's one of your
favorite it's been it seems like it might be. Yeah,
nineties which nineteen ninety five adventure film is an early
(03:35):
example of Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead
of real trained animals. So you know, we got to
a point which we're at now where basically CGI monkeys
have replaced regular monkeys a lot of time. Yeah, but
that wasn't always the case. So ninety five is kind
(03:55):
of like the midpoint we start dabbling more CGI going
in there? What ninety five adventure film early example of
Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead of real
trained animals. I can give you multiple choice unless you
have an answer in your mind.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh, ninety five, I don't know. I have an idea,
but give me the multiple choice, because I don't want
to sound like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
All right, a ace Ventura. When nature calls B, Dunstan
checks in C Jumanji or D George of the Jungle.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Uh. I thought Jumanji was earlier than ninety five. But
I'll go with Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's a good guess because it is Jumanji. Okay, Jumanji
had a bunch of I mean, if you looked at
them now, you'd be like, they're clearly not real monkeys, right,
But at the time it was a big, you know,
big deal in special effects. All these animals that were
made by special effects as opposed to real animals.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And they were pretty good at the time because you
get the I think there's like rhinos that charge through
the house and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, and then there's like a herd of monkeys that
are kind of like running loose on the streets.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, they're tearing stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But a turning point when the monkeys started losing their
jobs in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was, yeah, it's like AI for monkeys at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, that brings us to the reason for our show today,
or at least part of the reason for our show.
Today the movie Primate, which is coming out January ninth.
For our listeners out there who are listening to this
clearly after the launch of this movie. Primate is a
movie about chimpanzee There's something wrong with Ben. To start
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everyone off, I'll give you the IMDb summary, which is
always fun, very short. A group of friends tropical vacation
turns into a terrifying, primal tale of horror and survival.
So I'll give you a little bit of background to this.
This move. That's it. That's the Dimdb summary. It's very short.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, does it even mention a monkey in there?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Not really?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
The plot of this centers around a chimpanzee, Ben, adopted
by a family as an unusually intelligent pet during a
tropical vacation alluded to in the IMDb summary at their
you know, remote Hawaiian home. Of course, these people have
a Hawaiian home. You know. Ben, the chimpanzee, is bitten
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by a rabid animal, triggering a terrifying behavioral shift. Then
he goes on a rampage essentially. But he was once
an affectionate and playful primate, but he becomes violent and
then he's a cunning predator who stalks teenage Lucy, who
is the main character. I think, I don't know, maybe
(07:05):
she dies early, I have no idea, and her sister
and their friends through this like isolated property. So this
is a Paramount Pictures movie. I guess this was greenlit
in twenty twenty four. So just to give you some
context when you look this movie up. What's interesting is
it comes out twenty twenty six January ninth, but it
(07:27):
lists it as a twenty twenty five movie. Did you
know this?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I did not, So I think that's because it premiered
at Fantastic Fest.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
In twenty twenty five, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And then it got its theatrical rollout now in twenty
twenty six. So the critics have generally praised it as
an energetic, crowd pleasing movie, you know, horror movie of sorts.
It's got some positive buzz surrounding it for that reason,
because every so often you get a movie like this,
right nature verse versus man essentially.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, and horror you know, plays pretty well, especially in
these like off months where there's not a lot of
movies coming out. It's usually like you see a horror
movie that's kind of like topping the charts and this one,
there's been a good amount of marketing for it. I
mean we were both just talking about how much we've
seen the trailer before other movies. Yeah, I'm interested too.
(08:24):
We both just recently saw Anaconda. Did you see the
trailer before that?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, And was it the one where it was like
people reacting to clips of primate y Yes, okay, okay,
mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It was a different trailer because the first trailer I
saw was just sort of the normal one, and then
the second one was the audience.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What would you call that cameras that you could see
people in the dark, sitting in the theater watching it
and you know, jumping and talking about how scary it
was and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, it was kind of like they did that with
Paranormal Activity or.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like, yeah, that was the one, you know, the first trailer.
When I saw it, I was like, oh, this looks
pretty good. And after I saw that one a second time,
I was like, Okay, I'm into this. You know, there's
a part in it where they show you know, the monkey,
like he uses the tablet to communicate.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh yeah, Lucy bad, Lucy bad.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's the I mean that's the
best part.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it's an interesting trailer because in any of the
previews I've seen, they're being terrorized in the same areas,
Like there's the pool scene and then there's the car,
and then like the beginning where they're in the house.
But like it doesn't seem like they ever go out
into the jungle. They just stay at this, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's how you keep the you know, budget down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
stick around the house. When I did read.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That they this is actually all done on a sound stage.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh okay, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, so that makes a lot of sense why they
would keep it pretty confined to the house, in the pool,
in a car, because there's that scene where the girls
in the jeep or the you know, the suv and
she's locking the door and it's he's unlocking the door.
I think gets in the back classics suspense, slash horror.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know, I'm interested in this one. I'm interested to
see how it does too, and if it kind of
gets a crowd or builds some buzz.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, so you want to see it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Do you think it looks good?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I do?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'm on boards for me. What about you?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it looks like a well made movie. I
gotta be honest, though I don't want to see it.
You want to know why I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You just don't want to pick a monkey's doing that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, I don't want to watch this chimp kill people. Man,
Like I feel like he got a bad like he
a bit you feel bad. I feel bad for the chimp,
you know, like whereas everybody's gonna be like, oh my god,
this chimp is evil and you're like, well, he wasn't
evil though, he was a good guy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, it's like Kujo, you know, it's like the
dog you get once you get the rabies.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Man, it's just I mean, it's a it's a classic
tale of like people they underestimate or they don't respect nature,
and so you get this this chimpanzee who is clearly
a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well we've seen this in real life though several times
where the you know, people will have the pet, say
monkeys for anything, but you know it's chimps or whatever,
and then they end up attacking him. I'm malling him
pretty bad but.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Not meant to be pets, I know, and I don't.
I mean, I feel bad for a person. Obviously, I
don't want to see somebody get hurt, but I'm also like,
I feel more bad for the chimp. I feel bad
for them because a lot of times they like euthanize
you know, that animal, and it's like, what, you know,
it wasn't their fault. Even in the movie poster, you know,
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it's him sitting in the corner in his shirt and
his little red shirt with a little Teddy bear and
it says something's wrong with Ben. It makes me feel
bad for Ben the chimpanzee.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So what do you think about this one? Do you
think hit or flop? I was just checking it out.
It looks like we've got a twenty four million dollar
budget on this one. That gives you any you know,
context on what a hit or a flop could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think it could be a hit with the budget,
you know, in terms of the box office return, I
don't know what it'll do, but it definitely has done
pretty good with the marketing. They've pumped it before movies,
the trailer, the movie poster, So I think it has
the potential of it'll definitely make back its money and then.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Some yeah, I agree. I don't know what the marketing
spend is here, so I don't know how much they
have to make back there. They seem like a pump
some money into it, but I think it's looks like
a minor hit, you know, or a break even at
least if it really got people buzzing, it could hit
like fifty million, but it's probably not gonna go that high.
Maybe like thirty million. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Maybe we'll be surprised it would be like one hundred
million dollar movie. In January.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, in honor of Primate, we decided to put together
our own monkey movie or movie monkey, depending on how
you want to look at it, Mount Rushmore. So we're
each gonna share two of the most memorable I said,
either movie monkeys or monkey movies. I think either one works.
(13:29):
You know, you can focus on the monkey or you
can focus on the movie. Yeah, your choice. Yeah, keynote here,
using monkey is a very broad term. I know that's
not accurate, it's not scientifically accurate, but we liked the
alliteration of movie monkey Mount Rushmore. But we're encompassing apes, gorillas, chimps,
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all the other monkeys we mentioned before, even though they're
not monkey. All the other primates you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Before, gorillas, silverback gorillas. Yeah, Rangutang's primates, monkeys and other things.
On this episode of Movies and Marketing, we talk about
monkeys and other things. So, yeah, the movie Monkey Mount Rushmore.
So we're each picking two, right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, we're each picking two.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, But I mean we're just gonna generally talk about them,
you know, like what made them great? Were they prominently
featured in the marketing, that kind of thing. But I'm
really interested to see which ones you picked. I picked
a couple, and then I gave some backups because I
wasn't sure if you would pick the same movie. So
I thought, well, you know, maybe I should probably pick
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some extras just in case.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I had the same thought. I'm like, where is Patrick
gonna go with this? I have some ideas of where
you might go, and I wonder if that's what you'll
actually do. I think mine are going to be different
than yours, and I have some you know, inklings. I'm like, oh,
maybe Patrick will hit this one, but I don't know.
I don't know. This is a real wild card category
or whatever you want to call.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
This it is. And we often do this, like we
pick stuff and we're not really sure what the other
person would pick, and we tend to go, Okay, well,
I'll pick a backup or even the honorable mentions we talked.
We've joked about that in the past. You know. The
key is, there's just so much to choose from. Sometimes
(15:21):
I'll just go with the overlap, you know, because I
feel that strongly in the one that you picked, or
vice versa. You know what I mean that I don't.
I don't want to go with an honorable mention. I
want to go with the one I originally felt strongest.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I agree, And sometimes the overlap is interesting in itself,
you know what I mean, just the fact that we
both pick something. Of all the choices out there, we
landed on kind of the same one.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Mm hmmm. Yeah. So the key is, don't judge us
too harshly whether we pick the same ones or not.
So why don't you give the first pick on your list?
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right? My first pick on the list? I think
you have seen this one, but I was. This is
one of your picks from nineteen eighty seven. It's the
movie Project X. You know, Project X. I was pretty
sure you did, because you know, we mentioned a lot
on the show that we both grew up as HBO kids.
Yeah yeah, this was a movie that I saw many
(16:16):
times on HBO as a kid. It's not to be
confused with the twenty twelve high school party movie Project
X that decided to hijack the name. This is a
different movie. This is again nineteen eighty seven. It's an
adventure drama sci fi movie starring Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt.
(16:37):
Let me tell you the plot of it. Here. An
Air Force pilot joins a top secret military experiment involving chimps,
but begins to suspect there might be something more to
the mysterious Project X. This is sort of a movie
I feel like has been lost in time. I don't
think anybody has really talked about in the past thirty
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years for any reason. The ro out of me when
I was younger was that it had Ferris Bueller in it.
H But this is very much not a Ferris Bueller
style movie. This movie takes itself pretty seriously. I mean,
other than a little bit of monkeying around with the
gimps that are in this I'll be honest. It's been
a long time since I saw this movie. Did not
rewatch this movie. I remember very little about the plots
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or any major events in this movie, but I do
remember the monkeys or chimps to be exact. This is
the first movie I thought of when we were like
the Monkey movie Mount Rushmore. The main chimp inness named Virgil. Yeah,
he's mentioned by name in the trailer, featured in silhouette
on the poster next to a giant picture of Matthew
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Broderick's head. And fun or maybe not so fun fact,
the host of the Price is Right, Bob Barker and
the United Activists for Animal Rights when this movie came out,
accuse the film's producers of animal cruelty. The American Humane Association,
which consulted during production, then filed a ten million dollar
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defamation lawsuit arguing that the animal cruelty claims were based
on hearsay and they were false. So a little bit
of controversy around this one and how the animals were
actually used. But this was the Monkey movie I thought of,
you know, first first thing that came to my mind.
So I'm like, I'm putting it on the mounta Rushmore.
Plus it's one that you just do not hear talked
(18:27):
about anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, you don't, and I'll tell you this was my
second Oh no way, Yeah, HBO kids, HBO kids coming
back to a podcast platform near you. Yeah, you know,
this movie for one played a lot. I do remember.
I'm pretty sure I saw this movie in the theater.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Oh did you see it in theater?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Because this was eighty seven, I would have been ten.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, it seemed kid friendly. I mean, well back then
everything was kid friendly. It didn't even really matter. This
could have been PG and been R today. Maybe, but
this movie, and maybe this will tell the listeners something.
Maybe you'll get a glimpse as to why I don't
really want to see Primate because this really set up
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my perception of I guess, chimpanzees and you know, like
the cruelty that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
People victimize, victimize. I mean, this is a very like
I would call this an ethical drama.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's pretty dark. From what I remember, it was like
a dark and it was intense. And do they kill
the monkey? Like does the experiment like end up killing
the monkeys or the chimps?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I mean a lot of them, ones that you know,
came off as like kind of mean spirited, like some
of the chimpanzees. They you know, they all had personalities,
which was really interesting. I remember very vividly. There was
one that was kind of mean, but he ended up
saving some of the other ones. The whole thing was
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this was like a government experiment.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
They're like flying planes or flying simulator, you know. I
again I remember like bits and pieces.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, they were testing the effects of radiation exposure. But
Matthew Broderick's character in this doesn't know that this is happening,
and as he sort of uncovers this, it's like because
he befriends this Virgil Champion, and it's very uncomfortable because
you know, you feel, you really feel for these chimpanzees.
(20:30):
And I didn't even see it when I picked it,
but I'm seeing the parallels as to why primate sits
kind of somewhere in my gut, Like I'm like, I
don't really want to see this chimpanzee hurt people, because
like I don't think it would intentionally do that. You know,
even if it did, it wouldn't intentionally do it, you know.
So there's like some turmoil there for me. But yeah,
(20:51):
this is a really good one, you know, and it
starts a little quirky and light. But then it becomes
like there's this like ethical despair is sort of how
I looked at it, you know, at the turn in
this movie and Project dex So, yeah, I'm with you.
I think this is a good one. This is definitely
a good one.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. Well, clearly it belongs on the Mount Rushmore if
we both you know, had this in mind, and you know,
young Helen Hunt.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I didn't even in my head, I can only
picture Matthew Brodrick, but I guess, yeah, you're right, there
was Helen Hunt, and that one element that I thought
was really interesting too for listeners like you think about
this eighty seven. It taps into like a Cold War
anxiety that we had at the time. Yeah, and you
know again radiation exposure. You know, like the militaries performing
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these tests with the chimpanzees because they're not using humans.
And you know, of course, at the time, government mistrusts
was sort of a part of our you know, social
norm and look how things change.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Totally different now.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, but I would recommend this to anyone. It brings
back a lot of memories.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I know, that's a big you know, that is a
big one from the HBO Days of Yr.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So my first pick was a movie that I may
have talked about before with you. I don't think I've
ever mentioned it to the listeners. Every which way but loose.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is what I was like, is he gonna pick
one of the Clint Eastwood monkey movies. I thought there
was a good chance that that was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And here's why I picked it. Like I could go
with the easy ones like King Kong, right Outbreak. Those
are great movies in the in and of themselves, but
every which way but loose. This is why I had
Project X on my list. Every which way but Loose
nineteen seventy eight. You could argue, I mean, weren't you
like one at the time, Yes, But I watched this
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movie when I was a kid, and you know there's
a follow up any which way you can, and in
both of them. Clint Eastwood is the sort of laid
back trucker named Philo Beto fantastic.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Name, great, great movie name.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He roams the American West, getting into bare knuckle fights,
dodging biker gangs, and pursuing romance. But he's accompanied by
his friend Clyde, who is an orangutang. I mentioned it
in the beginning of the episode, and I'll just tell
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you Rangutang's you know, they are primates. They may not
be monkeys, but they're insanely intelligent. This movie is very
much like a road movie meets comedy meets a fighting film.
There's a lot of elements to this, and it's a
really good movie, but Clyde is sort of this comic
(23:50):
relief that follows with Clint Easewood's character. It's a pretty
fun movie in that way. But there's this element to
the movie where Clyde drives in the car with Clint
Eastwood and there's this biker gang and he'll say right,
turn Clyde, and Clyde throws his arm out the window
and punches the bikers, you know, the biker gang, and
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the you know, knocks him over. I may lose all
my memories and have dementia, and I will still remember
things like this. I feel like, you know what I mean,
because it's just so it's so powerful of a memory.
On the flip side, so that's about the movie and
my own personal feelings. But the marketing presence he wasn't
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overly showcased in the posters, but he was there, Clyde
in Project Decks. I think it was, you know, a
silhouette of Matthew Broderick holding Virgil the chimpanzee's hand, like
look like they were like walking, but you could see
the silho of them. This is like Clyde, You could
kind of see him. It was like one of those
old school like Star Wars where there's a collage of
(24:53):
the different characters and you see Clyde from the side
at least in the one poster, and there's a little
bit of a MOVI in the trailers. You know, he
wasn't a huge part of it, like he wasn't front center,
but he was there and he was a part of
the marketing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
One of the posters that I see, which is hilarious,
it's like Eastwood and he's kind of flexing his arm
muscle with Clyde draped around his neck.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is that a legit poster from that time period? Is
that like a fan poster?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
No, it's legit from that time. There's like a lot
of old ones being sold like originals.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because there are like promo shots and stuff like that
of like photos of him with Clyde around him.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, this is like an artistic rendering. He's kind of
like in a circle sticking out and then there's kind
of like different characters surrounding this circle.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, that could be one that's legit. I didn't see
that one when I was going back, like, I mean
again nineteen seventy eight, so there's probably some multiples of that.
But you know, he is in it, and Clyde was
a fan favorite of that movie, so they clearly talked
him up in the marketing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It was also like a big deal Clin east would
doing something kind of comedic. Mm hmm, this is like
dirty Harry. This is like the spaghetti westerns guy not
known for his comedy chops. Really, what if I told
you this is the fourth highest grossing movie of nineteen
seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I believe it. I would believe what a different world,
do you know what I mean? I would totally believe it,
because you know, it was, you know, like these were
the movies that made America back then. Yeah, yeah, I
mean really.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And Clin east would just huge star the star.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Power of Clint Eastwood at that time, and then you
know you've got this movie where he's a fighter. It
was a little different than the spaghetti Westerns and you know,
Dirty Harry. It was just it was really good. It's
a high, high recommendation on my list for listeners. If
you haven't seen it, go back and watch it. I
think you will adore this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
A real uh Patrick pick.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I was wondering. I was like, one of these is
of like put both of them together. So that's good.
To my second pick, which you you know, inadvertently knocked
at the beginning of yours two thousand and five, King Kong,
h that's good. I was trying to stick mostly with
real life monkeys, chimps, whatever you want to call them.
(27:19):
But I was like, you know, maybe it's important to
get some of the special effects the creations in there.
The way we've kind of moved away, which again has
been I think beneficial to the treatment of animals in
the long run, even if sometimes they don't look the greatest.
But this is an example where it does I think
look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It does.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, so the giant ape and King Kong not real
created by digital effects, but they made a real character
out of this guy. I feel again like this movie
has been a little bit forgotten over time, not quite
to the project X level, but it's twenty years old
at this point. I just don't hear people talking about
it a lot. From Peter Jackson coming off the Lord
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of the Rings movies, it was successful but considered a
little bit of a disappointment, ended up making like two
hundred million dollars at the US box office five hundred
million worldwide. But it's got Naomi Watts, got Jack Black,
Adrian Brody, Colin Hanks. I remember seeing in theaters and expecting,
you know, this is gonna be like a special effects showcase,
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kind of be a good time. And damn if this
wasn't way more intense than what I was expecting, even
probably a little bit more emotional than I was expecting.
So I think it's a movie that deserves a little
more love than it gets. And I think this Kong
deserves a little more love. This somehow from two thousand
and five, this creation, this you know, ape looks better
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than the ones they just did recently in these like
cong versus Godzilla movies, and I think it's part of
it is the care they like took to create it.
Fun fact for you on this one, the two thousand
and five King Kong's design blended Andy Circus's realistic performance capture.
That's the guy who did you know Gollum in The
(29:10):
Lord of the Rings, which he said was inspired by
albino guerrilla snowflake m hm okay, so mix his performance
capture with the advanced CGI detailed digital sculpting and realistic
skin fur texturing so you could really see when you
watch this, like the facial features and the movements and
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the way the like the fur moves as he goes around.
I mean, this guy, he gets mad, he fights, he emotes,
He's really like the star of the movie. Once he
comes on screen, he falls in love. Then yeah, he
at the end climbs the Empire State building and you
know there's a kind of sad end to this. I
think we got to have Kong on the Monkey Mount Rushmore,
(29:54):
whether it's the original one, you know, the claymation style
one or this one. I think is just a movie
I want to call a little attention to where I'm like,
I need to rewatch this.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, this is a strong movie and I think it
holds up too being Could you believe that's twenty one years.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Ago, twenty years over twenty yeah, twenty one yeah, I
mean it's twenty twenty six, man, you know, I mean,
can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And that movie still holds up. The special effects of
that is still pretty good. Like it's not dated quite
like all the other stuff of that time period. I
would say I have a special place in my heart
for Kong clearly. You know, we talk about this all
the time, Monsters Unlimited, you know, speaking human we joke,
(30:40):
you know, we have affinity for monsters, Kong being one
of the universal monsters. The thing about this is that
they did a really great job. You said, he motes,
he motes. You feel for Kong in this movie too, Yeah,
like more so than the original, And the original was,
you know, okay, but this one you can see the
(31:00):
real pain and sadness more so than any of the
other movies that I've seen with Kong. With the marketing,
he's the I mean, he is the marketing.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, it's his face front and center there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So you just can't not put this on the Mount
Rushmore of movie primates.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I mean, he's got to go. He belongs.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What did this movie do? Did you say?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah? It did a little over two hundred million at
the US box office and five hundred worldwide. I don't
know where that put it for the year.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
The budget though, I'm kind of what was the budget
It had to be through the run. I mean, I
can't imagine because it's Peter Jackson, right, Yeah, there's some
great like I mean, I'm trying to remember now because
you said revisiting this, there's a point where they're on
Skull Island, right.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, yeah, and they're getting attacked by all these different
like bugs and creatures and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Just I remember it's a barrage and it was almost
like a you can't breathe type of situation because they
keep coming and you're like, oh my god, that's a
lot of them. And then when you think all right,
they've kind of fought through them, then more come and
you're like, oh my god, and then more come and
more coming. You're like, these this is insane.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, it is pretty crazy. You've described it perfectly. It's
the suspense of that scene. You just don't even understand
how they're going to get out of that situation. You
almost feel defeated just watching it. But man, so good.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So the budget on this was two hundred and seven million,
making it the most expensive film ever produced at the time,
with costs rising from an initial one hundred and fifty
million dollars due to visual effects in an extended run.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Time extended runtime two hundred and seven. Yeah, so globally
they made I guess they.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Made the movie. Yeah, they they probably they made some money,
so it's probably it was successful.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But I mean they went on to do Skull Island,
which was technically a sequel, right, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Know if you consider that a sequel because don't he
die at the end of Kingcar.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, it's obviously not Peter Jackson.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It might be Jackson Peter. I think it was Jack Peterson.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Jack's Jax Peter. So that's a good one. So your
second one then was Project X.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Right, yeah, Project X. As a backup, I had Outbreak.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, which is a good I didn't even think of
that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Technically our Mount Rushmore is three, but I think that's
all right because they're you know, a solid three. My
backup was Nope, nopeas the story of Gordy the Chimpanzee, Okay,
which has a pretty significant, you know, kind of subplot
in the movie. Again, this was a cgi you know chimp,
not an actual real one, but it's kind of a
(33:46):
scary and sad subplot in that movie, which kind of
has another like treatment of animals angle to it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's funny that that would have been a backup for
the Mount rushmot I didn't even think of that one.
I have to maybe go back and watch that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, it's a pretty interesting part. Yeah, it's worth checking
out again. If there was something, people would be like,
how could you not have this? Do you have any guests?
What I'm thinking here?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh, how do you not have this movie? Yeah? On
the Mount Rushmore, I had a long laundry list at
the beginning. You're not talking about like Monkey Trouble.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm not talking about Monkey Trouble.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Twelve Monkeys, Planet of the Apes, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was thinking of. Something from the Planet of the
Apes series. Yeah, because there's been so many of them.
It's like, you know, definitive the ape people, though they
kind of evolved in the later movies where they're actual
like talking apes. So yeah, that's kind of what I
was thinking of as a significant you know series for
monkeys or apes.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So great Mount Rushmore for listeners, let us know if
we miss something that you would have rather seen in there.
But we talked about this and Shad and I were
going to make a concerted effort to end each episode
now of movies and marketing going forward by sharing an
upcoming movie or piece of movie marketing, you know, whether
(35:11):
it's a teaser or social or post or whatever that's
on our radar. That's on our.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Radar right, something that's buzzing for us.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So this is a new segment. Hopefully you like it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What do you have, Shad, I'll tell you what I have. Patrick.
This is something I caught recently. I don't know if
you've seen it, but if you haven't, you should watch
it and the show so should our listeners. And that
is the trailer for They Will Kill You.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
This building is a temple to say each month we
must pay with a human sacrifice. Build today. You are
the offering. Our offering is on the loose, on the lookouts.
I just dropped her picture in the group.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
They Will Kill You. This hits theater is March twenty seventh.
It's for Warner Brothers. Really good trailer makes the movie
look propulsive, wild, you know, kind of hilariously violent, think
of sort of a cross between John Wick and kill
Bill and Zombie Land somewhere in there. Great title, a
(36:24):
great looking font they used with the title, and just
kind of leaning into a B movie aesthetic with the
marketing that I think is pretty fun and cool. So
looking forward to this one. That's my kind of thing
to check out.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, that's a good one. I caught glimpses of that,
I think. I think I've seen the trailer, so that
one's good. And I like the name. Yeah, they've gotten
clever with these new the new names of these movies.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well, when it's speaking directly to you.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, they will kill you. True. It's almost like a
with further ado segment.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, oh yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You know, I would probably pick the one that I
shared with you actually recently behind the scenes Digger with
none other than Tom Cruise for listeners out there. Tom
Cruise has this upcoming film with director Alejandro g in Arito.
I'm butchering his last name, I'm sure, but this movie
(37:22):
is described as a brutal, wild comedy of catastrophic proportions.
It's scheduled for release in October of twenty six, which
is this year. October of this year, and I will
tell you. The poster is interesting. The font, like the
whole it's very artistic in its representation. It's basically the
(37:44):
word digger stacked. The G is holding a shovel, the
R at the bottom has cowboy boots on. And the
trailer played at one of the movies that I went
to over the holidays, and it's basically like a silhouette.
You don't really make out that this is Tom Cruise,
but I guess it is. This guy's walking with a
(38:06):
shovel and he's got these cowboy boots on and he's
sort of dancing or doing something that on the boardwalk
or peer where you're overlooking the ocean. I don't really
know a lot about this, but I could tell you
the plot. The plot says Tom Cruise plays the most
powerful man in the world who embarks on a frantic
(38:28):
mission to prove he is humanity's savior. Before the disaster
he has unleashed destroys everything. I don't know how true
that is to reality, because this is again this is
sort of the log line, as they say, which is
sort of the ether in the world. I don't know
if it's legit or not, but this is a big
(38:49):
departure from Tom Cruise, you know, like it's his first
film really outside of Mission Impossible and the top gun
franchise since twenty seventeen. Doing something like this is of
outside of his normal, you know, mainstay Hollywood big budget films.
It's just very strange. So when I saw that it
(39:09):
was Tom Cruise, I sent it to you. Wasn't your
first reaction was like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I mean, watching the trailer, you have no ida. I
mean you could watch it thirty times and You're like,
what the hell is this? What is going on here?
But I'm you know, i'd heard I'd heard of this movie,
and I'd heard Tom Cruise is doing this. That was
the first time I'd seen anything from it, and I'm
just super curious. I'm ready for Cruise to get weird again.
You know, he had that kind of weird period in
(39:35):
the early two thousands, and I really like it, Like
Vanilla Sky, Yes, Eyes Wide Shut, you know, yeah, Collateral. Yeah,
So I'm ready for him to do kind of some
interesting stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Again. Here's the thing about him, man, he chooses his
movies very carefully. I would imagine this is going to
be a good movie.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I don't know how many bad Tom Cruise movies I've
seen over the years.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean, there aren't many, and he almost always works
with good directors, so I'm just, yeah, super super curious
see where this goes. I really like the poster though,
it's very like Saul Bass and you know, I like
the font they're using and how it kind of it's
just doing something a little different than hey, here's this
star's face or something like that. Yeah, or a blue
alien or.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
A blue alien. So check out Digger online. Just look
it up on YouTube, check out the trailer, go look
at the movie. Poster'll be on the show notes page
of course. But that's it. Yeah, so hopefully those are
some coming attractions. But yeah, we hope you enjoyed this episode.
That's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
(40:41):
next time, let's fade to black. I'll be back
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Saturday Night, where's sing you back to the future? Go ahead,
make my day.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Corbut now you're crazy, Dutch bastard. What we've got here
is failure. Mel Gate. Take them as fresh all about,
we might be as well with them. I am an
as I'm agent. Well, we'll start it this way today. Monkeys, apes, gorillas, chimps, orangutangs, orangutans.
(00:54):
Can't forget about the orangutangs. They're the They're the greatest
of all. Well, all these primates have a long history
in movies. Let me ask you a little monkey related trivia, Patrick,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I love monkey related trivia.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You've always like more monkey related trivia?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I asked for it all the time, nobody ever gives
it to me.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it's usually has nothing to do with anything, But
today it's your lucky day. Start you off with a
tru or false? How about that? We never do it
true or false?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
True or false? I like those because I have a
fifty to fifty shot of getting it right.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, it's pretty good, all right. True or false, monkeys
were once dressed in human clothes to bypass film censorship rules. True,
of course, that's true comes from a fascinating and slightly
absurd chapter of early film censorship. In the early twentieth century,
(01:54):
especially during the Silent era and early sound era, filmmakers
operated under a mix of local censorship boards and later
the Haze Code, formally enforced starting in nineteen thirty four.
These rules tightly restricted what could be shown on screen,
including sexual or romantic behavior, criminal activity shown sympathetically, mockery
(02:15):
of authority or social norms.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Those things weren't all inclusive of monkeys.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, those were just things you could not show on screen.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, because that's a good determination there, because I was
like sexual with oh that's what.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, No, here's how it ties in. Animals existed in a
legal and moral gray area. So since monkeys weren't human,
filmmakers realized they could portray romantic or flirtatious behavior, showed drinking, smoking,
theft or mischieft, satirize human society or authority as long
(02:52):
as a monkey was doing it dressed as a human.
See you dress up a monkey? In clothes. You know,
they can get romantic, they can be a criminal, they
can steal something, they can make fun of authority figures
because it's not a person doing those things.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How weird are we?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah? How far we've come.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
To or haven't come? Weird? Little piece of film history
that monkeys are involved in. Let me take you forward
in time, back to one of your favorite years, nineteen
ninety five. I don't know if that's one of your
favorite it's been it seems like it might be. Yeah,
nineties which nineteen ninety five adventure film is an early
(03:35):
example of Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead
of real trained animals. So you know, we got to
a point which we're at now where basically CGI monkeys
have replaced regular monkeys a lot of time. Yeah, but
that wasn't always the case. So ninety five is kind
(03:55):
of like the midpoint we start dabbling more CGI going
in there? What ninety five adventure film early example of
Hollywood using CGI monkeys alongside and sometimes instead of real
trained animals. I can give you multiple choice unless you
have an answer in your mind.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh, ninety five, I don't know. I have an idea,
but give me the multiple choice, because I don't want
to sound like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
All right, a ace Ventura. When nature calls B, Dunstan
checks in C Jumanji or D George of the Jungle.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Uh. I thought Jumanji was earlier than ninety five. But
I'll go with Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's a good guess because it is Jumanji. Okay, Jumanji
had a bunch of I mean, if you looked at
them now, you'd be like, they're clearly not real monkeys, right,
But at the time it was a big, you know,
big deal in special effects. All these animals that were
made by special effects as opposed to real animals.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And they were pretty good at the time because you
get the I think there's like rhinos that charge through
the house and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, and then there's like a herd of monkeys that
are kind of like running loose on the streets.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, they're tearing stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But a turning point when the monkeys started losing their
jobs in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was, yeah, it's like AI for monkeys at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Well, that brings us to the reason for our show today,
or at least part of the reason for our show.
Today the movie Primate, which is coming out January ninth.
For our listeners out there who are listening to this
clearly after the launch of this movie. Primate is a
movie about chimpanzee There's something wrong with Ben. To start
(05:55):
everyone off, I'll give you the IMDb summary, which is
always fun, very short. A group of friends tropical vacation
turns into a terrifying, primal tale of horror and survival.
So I'll give you a little bit of background to this.
This move. That's it. That's the Dimdb summary. It's very short.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, does it even mention a monkey in there?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Not really?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
The plot of this centers around a chimpanzee, Ben, adopted
by a family as an unusually intelligent pet during a
tropical vacation alluded to in the IMDb summary at their
you know, remote Hawaiian home. Of course, these people have
a Hawaiian home. You know. Ben, the chimpanzee, is bitten
(06:43):
by a rabid animal, triggering a terrifying behavioral shift. Then
he goes on a rampage essentially. But he was once
an affectionate and playful primate, but he becomes violent and
then he's a cunning predator who stalks teenage Lucy, who
is the main character. I think, I don't know, maybe
(07:05):
she dies early, I have no idea, and her sister
and their friends through this like isolated property. So this
is a Paramount Pictures movie. I guess this was greenlit
in twenty twenty four. So just to give you some
context when you look this movie up. What's interesting is
it comes out twenty twenty six January ninth, but it
(07:27):
lists it as a twenty twenty five movie. Did you
know this?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I did not, So I think that's because it premiered
at Fantastic Fest.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
In twenty twenty five, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And then it got its theatrical rollout now in twenty
twenty six. So the critics have generally praised it as
an energetic, crowd pleasing movie, you know, horror movie of sorts.
It's got some positive buzz surrounding it for that reason,
because every so often you get a movie like this,
right nature verse versus man essentially.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, and horror you know, plays pretty well, especially in
these like off months where there's not a lot of
movies coming out. It's usually like you see a horror
movie that's kind of like topping the charts and this one,
there's been a good amount of marketing for it. I
mean we were both just talking about how much we've
seen the trailer before other movies. Yeah, I'm interested too.
(08:24):
We both just recently saw Anaconda. Did you see the
trailer before that?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, And was it the one where it was like
people reacting to clips of primate y Yes, okay, okay,
mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It was a different trailer because the first trailer I
saw was just sort of the normal one, and then
the second one was the audience.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What would you call that cameras that you could see
people in the dark, sitting in the theater watching it
and you know, jumping and talking about how scary it
was and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, it was kind of like they did that with
Paranormal Activity or.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like, yeah, that was the one, you know, the first trailer.
When I saw it, I was like, oh, this looks
pretty good. And after I saw that one a second time,
I was like, Okay, I'm into this. You know, there's
a part in it where they show you know, the monkey,
like he uses the tablet to communicate.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh yeah, Lucy bad, Lucy bad.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's the I mean that's the
best part.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it's an interesting trailer because in any of the
previews I've seen, they're being terrorized in the same areas,
Like there's the pool scene and then there's the car,
and then like the beginning where they're in the house.
But like it doesn't seem like they ever go out
into the jungle. They just stay at this, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's how you keep the you know, budget down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
stick around the house. When I did read.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
That they this is actually all done on a sound stage.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh okay, yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, so that makes a lot of sense why they
would keep it pretty confined to the house, in the pool,
in a car, because there's that scene where the girls
in the jeep or the you know, the suv and
she's locking the door and it's he's unlocking the door.
I think gets in the back classics suspense, slash horror.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You know, I'm interested in this one. I'm interested to
see how it does too, and if it kind of
gets a crowd or builds some buzz.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, so you want to see it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Do you think it looks good?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I do?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I'm on boards for me. What about you?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it looks like a well made movie. I
gotta be honest, though I don't want to see it.
You want to know why I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
You just don't want to pick a monkey's doing that.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, I don't want to watch this chimp kill people. Man,
Like I feel like he got a bad like he
a bit you feel bad. I feel bad for the chimp,
you know, like whereas everybody's gonna be like, oh my god,
this chimp is evil and you're like, well, he wasn't
evil though, he was a good guy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean, it's like Kujo, you know, it's like the
dog you get once you get the rabies.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Man, it's just I mean, it's a it's a classic
tale of like people they underestimate or they don't respect nature,
and so you get this this chimpanzee who is clearly
a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well we've seen this in real life though several times
where the you know, people will have the pet, say
monkeys for anything, but you know it's chimps or whatever,
and then they end up attacking him. I'm malling him
pretty bad but.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Not meant to be pets, I know, and I don't.
I mean, I feel bad for a person. Obviously, I
don't want to see somebody get hurt, but I'm also like,
I feel more bad for the chimp. I feel bad
for them because a lot of times they like euthanize
you know, that animal, and it's like, what, you know,
it wasn't their fault. Even in the movie poster, you know,
(11:56):
it's him sitting in the corner in his shirt and
his little red shirt with a little Teddy bear and
it says something's wrong with Ben. It makes me feel
bad for Ben the chimpanzee.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So what do you think about this one? Do you
think hit or flop? I was just checking it out.
It looks like we've got a twenty four million dollar
budget on this one. That gives you any you know,
context on what a hit or a flop could look like.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think it could be a hit with the budget,
you know, in terms of the box office return, I
don't know what it'll do, but it definitely has done
pretty good with the marketing. They've pumped it before movies,
the trailer, the movie poster, So I think it has
the potential of it'll definitely make back its money and then.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Some yeah, I agree. I don't know what the marketing
spend is here, so I don't know how much they
have to make back there. They seem like a pump
some money into it, but I think it's looks like
a minor hit, you know, or a break even at
least if it really got people buzzing, it could hit
like fifty million, but it's probably not gonna go that high.
Maybe like thirty million. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Maybe we'll be surprised it would be like one hundred
million dollar movie. In January.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, in honor of Primate, we decided to put together
our own monkey movie or movie monkey, depending on how
you want to look at it, Mount Rushmore. So we're
each gonna share two of the most memorable I said,
either movie monkeys or monkey movies. I think either one works.
(13:29):
You know, you can focus on the monkey or you
can focus on the movie. Yeah, your choice. Yeah, keynote here,
using monkey is a very broad term. I know that's
not accurate, it's not scientifically accurate, but we liked the
alliteration of movie monkey Mount Rushmore. But we're encompassing apes, gorillas, chimps,
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all the other monkeys we mentioned before, even though they're
not monkey. All the other primates you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Before, gorillas, silverback gorillas. Yeah, Rangutang's primates, monkeys and other things.
On this episode of Movies and Marketing, we talk about
monkeys and other things. So, yeah, the movie Monkey Mount Rushmore.
So we're each picking two, right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, we're each picking two.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, But I mean we're just gonna generally talk about them,
you know, like what made them great? Were they prominently
featured in the marketing, that kind of thing. But I'm
really interested to see which ones you picked. I picked
a couple, and then I gave some backups because I
wasn't sure if you would pick the same movie. So
I thought, well, you know, maybe I should probably pick
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some extras just in case.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I had the same thought. I'm like, where is Patrick
gonna go with this? I have some ideas of where
you might go, and I wonder if that's what you'll
actually do. I think mine are going to be different
than yours, and I have some you know, inklings. I'm like, oh,
maybe Patrick will hit this one, but I don't know.
I don't know. This is a real wild card category
or whatever you want to call.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
This it is. And we often do this, like we
pick stuff and we're not really sure what the other
person would pick, and we tend to go, Okay, well,
I'll pick a backup or even the honorable mentions we talked.
We've joked about that in the past. You know. The
key is, there's just so much to choose from. Sometimes
(15:21):
I'll just go with the overlap, you know, because I
feel that strongly in the one that you picked, or
vice versa. You know what I mean that I don't.
I don't want to go with an honorable mention. I
want to go with the one I originally felt strongest.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I agree, And sometimes the overlap is interesting in itself,
you know what I mean, just the fact that we
both pick something. Of all the choices out there, we
landed on kind of the same one.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Mm hmmm. Yeah. So the key is, don't judge us
too harshly whether we pick the same ones or not.
So why don't you give the first pick on your list?
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right? My first pick on the list? I think
you have seen this one, but I was. This is
one of your picks from nineteen eighty seven. It's the
movie Project X. You know, Project X. I was pretty
sure you did, because you know, we mentioned a lot
on the show that we both grew up as HBO kids.
Yeah yeah, this was a movie that I saw many
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times on HBO as a kid. It's not to be
confused with the twenty twelve high school party movie Project
X that decided to hijack the name. This is a
different movie. This is again nineteen eighty seven. It's an
adventure drama sci fi movie starring Matthew Broderick and Helen Hunt.
(16:37):
Let me tell you the plot of it. Here. An
Air Force pilot joins a top secret military experiment involving chimps,
but begins to suspect there might be something more to
the mysterious Project X. This is sort of a movie
I feel like has been lost in time. I don't
think anybody has really talked about in the past thirty
(16:58):
years for any reason. The ro out of me when
I was younger was that it had Ferris Bueller in it.
H But this is very much not a Ferris Bueller
style movie. This movie takes itself pretty seriously. I mean,
other than a little bit of monkeying around with the
gimps that are in this I'll be honest. It's been
a long time since I saw this movie. Did not
rewatch this movie. I remember very little about the plots
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or any major events in this movie, but I do
remember the monkeys or chimps to be exact. This is
the first movie I thought of when we were like
the Monkey movie Mount Rushmore. The main chimp inness named Virgil. Yeah,
he's mentioned by name in the trailer, featured in silhouette
on the poster next to a giant picture of Matthew
(17:43):
Broderick's head. And fun or maybe not so fun fact,
the host of the Price is Right, Bob Barker and
the United Activists for Animal Rights when this movie came out,
accuse the film's producers of animal cruelty. The American Humane Association,
which consulted during production, then filed a ten million dollar
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defamation lawsuit arguing that the animal cruelty claims were based
on hearsay and they were false. So a little bit
of controversy around this one and how the animals were
actually used. But this was the Monkey movie I thought of,
you know, first first thing that came to my mind.
So I'm like, I'm putting it on the mounta Rushmore.
Plus it's one that you just do not hear talked
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about anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, you don't, and I'll tell you this was my
second Oh no way, Yeah, HBO kids, HBO kids coming
back to a podcast platform near you. Yeah, you know,
this movie for one played a lot. I do remember.
I'm pretty sure I saw this movie in the theater.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Oh did you see it in theater?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Because this was eighty seven, I would have been ten.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, it seemed kid friendly. I mean, well back then
everything was kid friendly. It didn't even really matter. This
could have been PG and been R today. Maybe, but
this movie, and maybe this will tell the listeners something.
Maybe you'll get a glimpse as to why I don't
really want to see Primate because this really set up
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my perception of I guess, chimpanzees and you know, like
the cruelty that.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
People victimize, victimize. I mean, this is a very like
I would call this an ethical drama.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's pretty dark. From what I remember, it was like
a dark and it was intense. And do they kill
the monkey? Like does the experiment like end up killing
the monkeys or the chimps?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I mean a lot of them, ones that you know,
came off as like kind of mean spirited, like some
of the chimpanzees. They you know, they all had personalities,
which was really interesting. I remember very vividly. There was
one that was kind of mean, but he ended up
saving some of the other ones. The whole thing was
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this was like a government experiment.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
They're like flying planes or flying simulator, you know. I
again I remember like bits and pieces.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, they were testing the effects of radiation exposure. But
Matthew Broderick's character in this doesn't know that this is happening,
and as he sort of uncovers this, it's like because
he befriends this Virgil Champion, and it's very uncomfortable because
you know, you feel, you really feel for these chimpanzees.
(20:30):
And I didn't even see it when I picked it,
but I'm seeing the parallels as to why primate sits
kind of somewhere in my gut, Like I'm like, I
don't really want to see this chimpanzee hurt people, because
like I don't think it would intentionally do that. You know,
even if it did, it wouldn't intentionally do it, you know.
So there's like some turmoil there for me. But yeah,
(20:51):
this is a really good one, you know, and it
starts a little quirky and light. But then it becomes
like there's this like ethical despair is sort of how
I looked at it, you know, at the turn in
this movie and Project dex So, yeah, I'm with you.
I think this is a good one. This is definitely
a good one.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah. Well, clearly it belongs on the Mount Rushmore if
we both you know, had this in mind, and you know,
young Helen Hunt.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I didn't even in my head, I can only
picture Matthew Brodrick, but I guess, yeah, you're right, there
was Helen Hunt, and that one element that I thought
was really interesting too for listeners like you think about
this eighty seven. It taps into like a Cold War
anxiety that we had at the time. Yeah, and you
know again radiation exposure. You know, like the militaries performing
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these tests with the chimpanzees because they're not using humans.
And you know, of course, at the time, government mistrusts
was sort of a part of our you know, social
norm and look how things change.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Totally different now.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, but I would recommend this to anyone. It brings
back a lot of memories.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I know, that's a big you know, that is a
big one from the HBO Days of Yr.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So my first pick was a movie that I may
have talked about before with you. I don't think I've
ever mentioned it to the listeners. Every which way but loose.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is what I was like, is he gonna pick
one of the Clint Eastwood monkey movies. I thought there
was a good chance that that was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And here's why I picked it. Like I could go
with the easy ones like King Kong, right Outbreak. Those
are great movies in the in and of themselves, but
every which way but loose. This is why I had
Project X on my list. Every which way but Loose
nineteen seventy eight. You could argue, I mean, weren't you
like one at the time, Yes, But I watched this
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movie when I was a kid, and you know there's
a follow up any which way you can, and in
both of them. Clint Eastwood is the sort of laid
back trucker named Philo Beto fantastic.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Name, great, great movie name.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He roams the American West, getting into bare knuckle fights,
dodging biker gangs, and pursuing romance. But he's accompanied by
his friend Clyde, who is an orangutang. I mentioned it
in the beginning of the episode, and I'll just tell
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you Rangutang's you know, they are primates. They may not
be monkeys, but they're insanely intelligent. This movie is very
much like a road movie meets comedy meets a fighting film.
There's a lot of elements to this, and it's a
really good movie, but Clyde is sort of this comic
(23:50):
relief that follows with Clint Easewood's character. It's a pretty
fun movie in that way. But there's this element to
the movie where Clyde drives in the car with Clint
Eastwood and there's this biker gang and he'll say right,
turn Clyde, and Clyde throws his arm out the window
and punches the bikers, you know, the biker gang, and
(24:11):
the you know, knocks him over. I may lose all
my memories and have dementia, and I will still remember
things like this. I feel like, you know what I mean,
because it's just so it's so powerful of a memory.
On the flip side, so that's about the movie and
my own personal feelings. But the marketing presence he wasn't
(24:32):
overly showcased in the posters, but he was there, Clyde
in Project Decks. I think it was, you know, a
silhouette of Matthew Broderick holding Virgil the chimpanzee's hand, like
look like they were like walking, but you could see
the silho of them. This is like Clyde, You could
kind of see him. It was like one of those
old school like Star Wars where there's a collage of
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the different characters and you see Clyde from the side
at least in the one poster, and there's a little
bit of a MOVI in the trailers. You know, he
wasn't a huge part of it, like he wasn't front center,
but he was there and he was a part of
the marketing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
One of the posters that I see, which is hilarious,
it's like Eastwood and he's kind of flexing his arm
muscle with Clyde draped around his neck.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Is that a legit poster from that time period? Is
that like a fan poster?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
No, it's legit from that time. There's like a lot
of old ones being sold like originals.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because there are like promo shots and stuff like that
of like photos of him with Clyde around him.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, this is like an artistic rendering. He's kind of
like in a circle sticking out and then there's kind
of like different characters surrounding this circle.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, that could be one that's legit. I didn't see
that one when I was going back, like, I mean
again nineteen seventy eight, so there's probably some multiples of that.
But you know, he is in it, and Clyde was
a fan favorite of that movie, so they clearly talked
him up in the marketing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It was also like a big deal Clin east would
doing something kind of comedic. Mm hmm, this is like
dirty Harry. This is like the spaghetti westerns guy not
known for his comedy chops. Really, what if I told
you this is the fourth highest grossing movie of nineteen
seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I believe it. I would believe what a different world,
do you know what I mean? I would totally believe it,
because you know, it was, you know, like these were
the movies that made America back then. Yeah, yeah, I
mean really.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And Clin east would just huge star the star.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Power of Clint Eastwood at that time, and then you
know you've got this movie where he's a fighter. It
was a little different than the spaghetti Westerns and you know,
Dirty Harry. It was just it was really good. It's
a high, high recommendation on my list for listeners. If
you haven't seen it, go back and watch it. I
think you will adore this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
A real uh Patrick pick.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I was wondering. I was like, one of these is
of like put both of them together. So that's good.
To my second pick, which you you know, inadvertently knocked
at the beginning of yours two thousand and five, King Kong,
h that's good. I was trying to stick mostly with
real life monkeys, chimps, whatever you want to call them.
(27:19):
But I was like, you know, maybe it's important to
get some of the special effects the creations in there.
The way we've kind of moved away, which again has
been I think beneficial to the treatment of animals in
the long run, even if sometimes they don't look the greatest.
But this is an example where it does I think
look pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It does.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, so the giant ape and King Kong not real
created by digital effects, but they made a real character
out of this guy. I feel again like this movie
has been a little bit forgotten over time, not quite
to the project X level, but it's twenty years old
at this point. I just don't hear people talking about
it a lot. From Peter Jackson coming off the Lord
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of the Rings movies, it was successful but considered a
little bit of a disappointment, ended up making like two
hundred million dollars at the US box office five hundred
million worldwide. But it's got Naomi Watts, got Jack Black,
Adrian Brody, Colin Hanks. I remember seeing in theaters and expecting,
you know, this is gonna be like a special effects showcase,
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kind of be a good time. And damn if this
wasn't way more intense than what I was expecting, even
probably a little bit more emotional than I was expecting.
So I think it's a movie that deserves a little
more love than it gets. And I think this Kong
deserves a little more love. This somehow from two thousand
and five, this creation, this you know, ape looks better
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than the ones they just did recently in these like
cong versus Godzilla movies, and I think it's part of
it is the care they like took to create it.
Fun fact for you on this one, the two thousand
and five King Kong's design blended Andy Circus's realistic performance capture.
That's the guy who did you know Gollum in The
(29:10):
Lord of the Rings, which he said was inspired by
albino guerrilla snowflake m hm okay, so mix his performance
capture with the advanced CGI detailed digital sculpting and realistic
skin fur texturing so you could really see when you
watch this, like the facial features and the movements and
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the way the like the fur moves as he goes around.
I mean, this guy, he gets mad, he fights, he emotes,
He's really like the star of the movie. Once he
comes on screen, he falls in love. Then yeah, he
at the end climbs the Empire State building and you
know there's a kind of sad end to this. I
think we got to have Kong on the Monkey Mount Rushmore,
(29:54):
whether it's the original one, you know, the claymation style
one or this one. I think is just a movie
I want to call a little attention to where I'm like,
I need to rewatch this.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, this is a strong movie and I think it
holds up too being Could you believe that's twenty one years.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Ago, twenty years over twenty yeah, twenty one yeah, I
mean it's twenty twenty six, man, you know, I mean,
can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And that movie still holds up. The special effects of
that is still pretty good. Like it's not dated quite
like all the other stuff of that time period. I
would say I have a special place in my heart
for Kong clearly. You know, we talk about this all
the time, Monsters Unlimited, you know, speaking human we joke,
(30:40):
you know, we have affinity for monsters, Kong being one
of the universal monsters. The thing about this is that
they did a really great job. You said, he motes,
he motes. You feel for Kong in this movie too, Yeah,
like more so than the original, And the original was,
you know, okay, but this one you can see the
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real pain and sadness more so than any of the
other movies that I've seen with Kong. With the marketing,
he's the I mean, he is the marketing.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, it's his face front and center there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So you just can't not put this on the Mount
Rushmore of movie primates.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I mean, he's got to go. He belongs.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What did this movie do? Did you say?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah? It did a little over two hundred million at
the US box office and five hundred worldwide. I don't
know where that put it for the year.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
The budget though, I'm kind of what was the budget
It had to be through the run. I mean, I
can't imagine because it's Peter Jackson, right, Yeah, there's some
great like I mean, I'm trying to remember now because
you said revisiting this, there's a point where they're on
Skull Island, right.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, yeah, and they're getting attacked by all these different
like bugs and creatures and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Just I remember it's a barrage and it was almost
like a you can't breathe type of situation because they
keep coming and you're like, oh my god, that's a
lot of them. And then when you think all right,
they've kind of fought through them, then more come and
you're like, oh my god, and then more come and
more coming. You're like, these this is insane.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, it is pretty crazy. You've described it perfectly. It's
the suspense of that scene. You just don't even understand
how they're going to get out of that situation. You
almost feel defeated just watching it. But man, so good.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So the budget on this was two hundred and seven million,
making it the most expensive film ever produced at the time,
with costs rising from an initial one hundred and fifty
million dollars due to visual effects in an extended run.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Time extended runtime two hundred and seven. Yeah, so globally
they made I guess they.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Made the movie. Yeah, they they probably they made some money,
so it's probably it was successful.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But I mean they went on to do Skull Island,
which was technically a sequel, right, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Know if you consider that a sequel because don't he
die at the end of Kingcar.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, it's obviously not Peter Jackson.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It might be Jackson Peter. I think it was Jack Peterson.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Jack's Jax Peter. So that's a good one. So your
second one then was Project X.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Right, yeah, Project X. As a backup, I had Outbreak.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, which is a good I didn't even think of
that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Technically our Mount Rushmore is three, but I think that's
all right because they're you know, a solid three. My
backup was Nope, nopeas the story of Gordy the Chimpanzee, Okay,
which has a pretty significant, you know, kind of subplot
in the movie. Again, this was a cgi you know chimp,
not an actual real one, but it's kind of a
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scary and sad subplot in that movie, which kind of
has another like treatment of animals angle to it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's funny that that would have been a backup for
the Mount rushmot I didn't even think of that one.
I have to maybe go back and watch that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, it's a pretty interesting part. Yeah, it's worth checking
out again. If there was something, people would be like,
how could you not have this? Do you have any guests?
What I'm thinking here?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh, how do you not have this movie? Yeah? On
the Mount Rushmore, I had a long laundry list at
the beginning. You're not talking about like Monkey Trouble.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I'm not talking about Monkey Trouble.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Twelve Monkeys, Planet of the Apes, that's the one.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was thinking of. Something from the Planet of the
Apes series. Yeah, because there's been so many of them.
It's like, you know, definitive the ape people, though they
kind of evolved in the later movies where they're actual
like talking apes. So yeah, that's kind of what I
was thinking of as a significant you know series for
monkeys or apes.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
So great Mount Rushmore for listeners, let us know if
we miss something that you would have rather seen in there.
But we talked about this and Shad and I were
going to make a concerted effort to end each episode
now of movies and marketing going forward by sharing an
upcoming movie or piece of movie marketing, you know, whether
(35:11):
it's a teaser or social or post or whatever that's
on our radar. That's on our.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Radar right, something that's buzzing for us.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So this is a new segment. Hopefully you like it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What do you have, Shad, I'll tell you what I have. Patrick.
This is something I caught recently. I don't know if
you've seen it, but if you haven't, you should watch
it and the show so should our listeners. And that
is the trailer for They Will Kill You.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
This building is a temple to say each month we
must pay with a human sacrifice. Build today. You are
the offering. Our offering is on the loose, on the lookouts.
I just dropped her picture in the group.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
They Will Kill You. This hits theater is March twenty seventh.
It's for Warner Brothers. Really good trailer makes the movie
look propulsive, wild, you know, kind of hilariously violent, think
of sort of a cross between John Wick and kill
Bill and Zombie Land somewhere in there. Great title, a
(36:24):
great looking font they used with the title, and just
kind of leaning into a B movie aesthetic with the
marketing that I think is pretty fun and cool. So
looking forward to this one. That's my kind of thing
to check out.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, that's a good one. I caught glimpses of that,
I think. I think I've seen the trailer, so that
one's good. And I like the name. Yeah, they've gotten
clever with these new the new names of these movies.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well, when it's speaking directly to you.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, they will kill you. True. It's almost like a
with further ado segment.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, oh yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You know, I would probably pick the one that I
shared with you actually recently behind the scenes Digger with
none other than Tom Cruise for listeners out there. Tom
Cruise has this upcoming film with director Alejandro g in Arito.
I'm butchering his last name, I'm sure, but this movie
(37:22):
is described as a brutal, wild comedy of catastrophic proportions.
It's scheduled for release in October of twenty six, which
is this year. October of this year, and I will
tell you. The poster is interesting. The font, like the
whole it's very artistic in its representation. It's basically the
(37:44):
word digger stacked. The G is holding a shovel, the
R at the bottom has cowboy boots on. And the
trailer played at one of the movies that I went
to over the holidays, and it's basically like a silhouette.
You don't really make out that this is Tom Cruise,
but I guess it is. This guy's walking with a
(38:06):
shovel and he's got these cowboy boots on and he's
sort of dancing or doing something that on the boardwalk
or peer where you're overlooking the ocean. I don't really
know a lot about this, but I could tell you
the plot. The plot says Tom Cruise plays the most
powerful man in the world who embarks on a frantic
(38:28):
mission to prove he is humanity's savior. Before the disaster
he has unleashed destroys everything. I don't know how true
that is to reality, because this is again this is
sort of the log line, as they say, which is
sort of the ether in the world. I don't know
if it's legit or not, but this is a big
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departure from Tom Cruise, you know, like it's his first
film really outside of Mission Impossible and the top gun
franchise since twenty seventeen. Doing something like this is of
outside of his normal, you know, mainstay Hollywood big budget films.
It's just very strange. So when I saw that it
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was Tom Cruise, I sent it to you. Wasn't your
first reaction was like, what is happening right now?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I mean, watching the trailer, you have no ida. I
mean you could watch it thirty times and You're like,
what the hell is this? What is going on here?
But I'm you know, i'd heard I'd heard of this movie,
and I'd heard Tom Cruise is doing this. That was
the first time I'd seen anything from it, and I'm
just super curious. I'm ready for Cruise to get weird again.
You know, he had that kind of weird period in
(39:35):
the early two thousands, and I really like it, Like
Vanilla Sky, Yes, Eyes Wide Shut, you know, yeah, Collateral. Yeah,
So I'm ready for him to do kind of some
interesting stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Again. Here's the thing about him, man, he chooses his
movies very carefully. I would imagine this is going to
be a good movie.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I don't know how many bad Tom Cruise movies I've
seen over the years.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean, there aren't many, and he almost always works
with good directors, so I'm just, yeah, super super curious
see where this goes. I really like the poster though,
it's very like Saul Bass and you know, I like
the font they're using and how it kind of it's
just doing something a little different than hey, here's this
star's face or something like that. Yeah, or a blue
alien or.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
A blue alien. So check out Digger online. Just look
it up on YouTube, check out the trailer, go look
at the movie. Poster'll be on the show notes page
of course. But that's it. Yeah, so hopefully those are
some coming attractions. But yeah, we hope you enjoyed this episode.
That's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
(40:41):
next time, let's fade to black. I'll be back
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