Is this Proof Karen Read Deleted the Ring Camera Footage?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just to be clear, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Who did it? We don't know.

Speaker 5 (00:13):
We don't know, We don't know, and it's not for
us to know.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Somebody other than Karen.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John. You are listening to the ROBERTA. Glass
True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime

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from New York City.

Speaker 6 (00:46):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record. Okay, here I am.

(01:14):
That's everybody. Happy Thursday. Hello Wesley loves October Fest. Nice
to see you. Hello, Tricks Are for Kids, Karna Texas,
Texas t Rex Hello, and Hello lakes Street, Eve Ave

(01:38):
six hundred. I don't know what you are. I'm not
sure exactly about your about your internet persona there, Lake Street.
But hello everybody, And today we're going to talk about
Karen Reid and a bunch of different things. One I'm
going to start with just because Innocence Fraud has been

(02:00):
doing such a good job on her blogs. She did
a great block about this, and I just wanted to
bring it to everybody's attention, which is about this ring
camera footage. So the police interview of Proctor and Buchanic,
you're a ironman Buchanic as I like to call him
during the trial. It's like inflappable or unflappable. I guess

(02:25):
he interviewed Karen Reid, if you remember, they both interviewed
Karen Reid at her parents' house. That report from that
interview has come out and it seems to suggest that
Karen Reid was reviewing the ring camera footage. So there's
a Freudian slip in that interview that revealed that she

(02:47):
was looking at the ring camera footage. So I don't
think it's too much of a leap to think that
if she was very in touch with the ring camera footage.
You know, we like to think that she would have
to be in a certain spot, like have to be
at John O'Keefe's computer, or have to be as we know,

(03:10):
she invaded John O'Keefe's house after she ran him over.
Instead of going back to her place at Mansfield, she
went and invaded John O'Keefe's home uninvited, unannounced. So I
mean that takes a special kind of psychopathic mind to

(03:31):
run someone over and then invade their home unannounced and
plot out in your victim's home how you're going to
get away with the crime. It's really something, and it's
it's interesting, you know, there's been so much propaganda around
this case that people always say she returned home, she

(03:53):
went home, so they've just totally bought into the defense
has used that language. She earned home, she went home. No,
she didn't return home. She went to John O'Keefe's house
and invaded it unannounced, uninvited. She was invited to go
back with him, but once she ran him over and

(04:14):
killed them, she certainly wasn't invited to go back. I
think that's where the invite ends. When you kill somebody, No,
when you run them over, going with your foot seventy
four point five percent down on the gas pedal and
up to speeds of twenty four miles an hour in reverse.

(04:34):
And why did she reverse into him? And my feeling
is why she reversed into him and didn't hit him
head on is that she could always It's just the
way that Karen Reid does everything, always with just a
little bit of deniability, So you can deny that like, oh,
I didn't see him. It was an accident. And this

(04:56):
is some of the problems with this of the fence.
Why we lose so much next to you know, Karen
Reid murderer, Karen Reid and her team of lying lawyers
and flying monkeys. Why we lose so much is the
way to combat an innocence fraud campaign is with the truth,

(05:18):
with the minutia of the truth, and not with a
slick and phony narrative. And there's always been a slick
and phony narrative, and oftentimes it's like Karen Reid's narrative,
like you know, it was just an accident. She was
so hysterical. No, she's acting hysterical. She brought back witnesses

(05:38):
that she could rope into this case and she could
point away from herself and her own murderous actions. And
her first choice was Michael Camerano. She was looking for
Michael cameronou Is. The first person she called then was
Catherine Camerano. They weren't available, so the next Mars Carrie

(06:01):
Roberts and Jen McCabe, and we'll talk about just why
being self aware is so important and why listening to
your enemies is so important in responding to these kinds
of innocence b odd campaigns, and of course I got

(06:23):
hugely attacked on Twitter after having some I thought it
was fair criticism of this defending the Truth website, which
seems to be all about the personalities that made the
website and not really about the harassed and smeared witnesses
who were harassed and smeared by psychopathic murderer Karen Reid,

(06:47):
her enablers and flying monkeys with the help of our
complicit and compliant press. But apparently it's all because I'm
so jealous. None of the witnesses will talk to me. Lol.
With that, I love that. I love that people think
they know what I'm up to all the time, or

(07:08):
they think they know me, or they think they know
how I operate or how I think without knowing me
at all. It's fantastic. But we'll talk about that at
the end of this episode. Some of the criticism I've got,
I'm going to answer a little bit of it, you
know why. You know, I think the general thing was like, well,

(07:30):
this is trying to help, why aren't you more supportive?
And of course I'm supportive of any kind of help
of the witnesses. I just don't think that this is
very helpful, and in fact, I think it helps Karen read.
So I mean, if the better choice is when someone's
trying to help, if it's not helpful to just stay it,
would it be better to just stay silent and just

(07:52):
keep watching it devolve into absolutely having no punch to
the until the campaign has no punch at all. I mean,
it would be hard to make a campaign with less
punch than the Defending the Truth campaign has. But okay,
all right, me, let's get into Karen Reid and her

(08:13):
She's so guilty. I agree, she's so guilty, all right,
So let's get into this.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Blog.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
The only way this is Innocent Fraud Watch blog. The
only way for cop Killer. The link is in the
description of this episode. The only way for cop Killer
Karen Reid to know Michael Camerano had arrived at John
O'Keefe's house at approximately five pm on January twenty eighth,
twenty twenty two, was if she had already seen ring

(08:50):
camera footage. So Freudian slip in. Massachusetts State Trooper Michael
Proctor April thirteen, twenty twenty two report it took a
little while for that report to come out, right, you know,
these cops hate writing these reports, So the end of January,
the report doesn't come out until April thirteenth, all right.

(09:12):
Regarding his and Sergeant Buchanic's interview with Karen Reid on
January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, it states on page
two that she had told them Michael Camerano arrived at
John's house at approximately five pm. How did Karen Reid

(09:33):
know that Michael Camerano arrived at John's house at approximately
five pm unless she had already seen ring camera footage
of his arrival before she was interviewed by the police.
It's almost as if she was reviewing ring camera footage
and maybe erasing ring camera footage. And just to circle
back to what I was saying about Karen Reid being

(09:55):
in a specific place, she could just have to have
access on her phone anywhere. She could have deleted this
ring camera footage anywhere in the back of a police car,
in the back of her of a car on her
way to her parents' house, or retrieving the murder vehicle
at John O'Keeffe's home. So you know, this idea that

(10:23):
she could only do it in John O'Keeffe's house and
when she was upstairs is really nonsense. She had access
to the ring camera, John's ring camera, which we know
that John O'Keeffe was obsessed with his ring camera. If
she had access to that, to the app, she could
easily delete it. How did Karen ree know that Michael

(10:44):
Camerano arrived at John's house at approximately five pm unless
she had already seen ring camera footage of his arrival
before she was interviewed by the police. Leslie loves october
Fest says, it's been a while topping off the cat
door fund. Thank you so much, Thank you so very much, Leslie,

(11:11):
appreciate it. Karen, how did okay, how did Karen Reid
know that Michael Cameron arrived at John's house at approximately
five pm unless she had already seen ring camera footage
of his arrival before she was interviewed by the police.
Karen Reid at five Karen Rei told John o'keeff her plumber,

(11:34):
Richie was supposed to be at her house at in
Mansfield at five pm. Does everybody remember Richie the plumber?
So this is the last argument that Karen Reid had
with John O'Keefe, and in any other case this would
be highly significant. The fact that we heard nothing about

(11:55):
this plumber in two trials brought by the Commonwealth is
really shocking. And the fact that I think it's because
the police never followed up and said were there any
text messages? It was never asked. There was a moment,
a great moment I remember in the second trial where
I thought Hank Brennan was going to ask Trooper Gerno, well,

(12:19):
were there were there any text messages to this plumber? No? Yes, no, yes, no.
What did we find on Karen Reid's phone? Don't know?
Not in the public domain. So here she is. They're
going back and forth for over an hour, way longer
than that hours, it feels like about this plumber. And

(12:44):
John O'Keeffe is getting pissed off told Michael Camerano he
has pissed off that Karen Reid didn't ask him to
end his father, who's a plumber, to fix her hot
water issues. She says she's showing Ritchie the plumber rusty
pipe and he's gonna go. He went to home depot,

(13:08):
but he'll be back manyana after the Norwester to fix it.
We don't know if she ever fixed her hot water issues,
but it sure was the basis for me to write this.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Everyone is waiting for me to arrive at the bar
and home in lass Field. Them making up a low
cold star. His name is a ritchie, the plumber. No

(13:49):
hot water, it's a bumma. It's all the pigment of
my imagination. Call it a lie, a fame right full indignation,
sham called the plumber. I got a rusty pipe, hot
water is not working. I'm starting a fight. Sure is

(14:12):
a lie, but it's a little one. Gotta get my
boyfriend under my phone, John says he and his papa,
who would have fixed it if only this broken pipe
in real life existed. Causing pain and suffering is what

(14:34):
I do best, put in my boyfriend's patience through test
after test, whichie, my imaginary plummer is at home deed,
both hoping that story will get a rise out of
my boyfriend and his a little beadle. I'll arrive at

(14:56):
the bar, showing up late, make him angry right out
out of the gate.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
He's so I feel and Lovevey Duffy.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I'm done right. Twistin's coming. I'll down many drinks and
her on him over after miss gets late, scream and
cry it's you John Lay.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Leave him to die in a blizzard, in flipped in
pain on a whizer, get jend to call nine one one,
have the whole town pointing fingers when.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's over and dun camera footage of Michael Camerano and
his daughter and their arrival in John o'keefstriver, let's take.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
A look look at video at about five five pm.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'm sorry there was a noise coming from a bag
over there.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
I apologize problem.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Can you repeat that question?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sure? On January twenty eight, twenty twenty two, did you
have a chance to look at video from the ring
at about five oh five pm?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Could I have video one forty five? Please? Thank you,

(16:36):
Miss Gilman.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, so there's there's there. They are arriving and it's
like almost like she hi. Guys saw they ring camera
footage with their own eyes. At five oh nine, twenty nine,
John O'Keeffe had texted Karen Reid, need to figure out
what everyone is doing. All I know now is Madeline
is coming over. No clue about Patrick yet or if
Papa planning on hanging for a few more hours. John

(17:03):
o'keef's statement, I know now as Madeline is coming over
suggests Madeleine was not there yet. At five nineteen forty
two pm, John O'Keeffe also texted Karen Reid going to
send Patrick to Collins tonight. They're picking him up around seven.
Mike may hang two when he brings mad over, So

(17:24):
why don't you just come over and again? John O'Keeffe's
statement Mike may hang two when he brings mad over
suggests Michael Camerano and his daughter had yet to arrive
by this time. The only way for Karen Reid to
have known that Michael Camerano and his daughter had arrived
at approximately five pm as opposed to nearer to six
twenty seven pm see was if she had seen them

(17:48):
arrive on ring camera, which was able to view via
her iPhone or laptop. Another thing, her laptop was never seized.
At some time after she had killed John O'Keeffe. Karen
also told police Michael and John had some beers and
made plans to go to C. F. McCarthy's bar. How
did Karen Reid know whether or not John o'keeff and

(18:09):
Michael Camerono had some beers before they left for c F.
McCarthy's bar at around seven thirty six pm. There is
no indication of this in any of their text messages
from around this time. Karen Reid claimed she called her father,
William Reid, or he called her and importantly, Karen Reid

(18:30):
also texted John o'keeff at six twenty seven twenty six,
is mike over, to which John O'Keeffe had replied yes.
Karen Reid then texted back, sounds like you're good with
getting together tonight, followed by six thirty two twenty four.
Was hoping after this morning you'd be interested in smoothing
things over with me, meaning things were at a breaking

(18:53):
point and had not been smoothed over. John O'Keeffe texted
Karen Reid, we're heading out shortly. What's your plan, Karen?
Seven oh nine twenty two, Karen Reid texted John o'keeff
where you headed seven fourteen forty eight, to which John
o'keeff first mentioned c F McCarthy's, stating trying to decide
maybe McCarthy's. At seven twenty four to eleven, Karen Reid

(19:14):
texted John o'keeff, I'm having issues with my hot water,
so I had to text someone to take a look.
Seven point thirty six, John O'Keeffe and Michael Camerono were
captured on ring camera leaving the house to head to
c F McCarthy's bar. Seven forty nine, John o'keeff and
Michael Camerano entered c F McCarthy's pub nine three pm.

(19:37):
Karen Reid arrived at c F McCarthy's ten oh seven
three pm. Michael mccamerono left c F McCarthy's. Karen Reid
could go on to say that John o'keeff or Michael
Camerano went on to tell her that Michael arrived at
John's house at approximately five pm later on in the night,
But it's highly unlikely this type of conversation took place,

(20:00):
especially given the fact that she allegedly allegedly. We can't
say that even more, can we say that one more
time allegedly had a plumbing issue. She allegedly had a
plumbing issue, allegedly, So wouldn't the plumbing issue take precedence

(20:22):
in the conversation which she spent over one hour and
ten minutes texting John about one hour ten minutes all
about the plumber, But We've never seen or heard about
this plumber, So why is it so important? Which likely
dominated any initial conversation. So when I talk about narratives
that help Karen read, the narratives that hurt Karen read.

(20:45):
The most important thing to Karen Reid is the fact
that she not be betrayed as the psychopathic liar that
she is. We've all seen her lies, whether it's her
lie to Brian Higgins that she had ten colon cancer
surgeries and that she was a wreck, or that she

(21:07):
wrote Aiden Carney that she never put a touched a
pinky finger on Brian Higgins untrue. I mean she lies
so much. I mean she first she said she didn't
see John o'keep going the house. Then by the end
of the second trial, she had seen John keep going
the house. Everybody knows who did this crime in the

(21:31):
early days of pre trial, first pre trial, the first trial.
By the second trial, it's we don't know who did it,
and it's not for us to answer. First pre trial,
first trial, we all know it's so obvious. We all
know who did this. We all know who's set me up.

(21:54):
It's a conspiracy of fifty plus people and planted tail
lights and ridiculousness. So why it's important is, first of all,
it's really important to John o'keef's state of mind that
he was pissed off about. It could have been something

(22:17):
they argued about, could have been the last straw his
doubting that she had a plumber over in the evening
hours of a Friday night before enormous North northeaster, and

(22:37):
she's telling John things like, well, Richie's good where he's
a good worker, but he puts the toilet seats on crooked.
So why it's important is if Karen Reid saying she
didn't do it, show her gut her on issues of
character right up? Why is this side so reluctant to
gut Karen Reid? And why I think they're so reluctant

(22:59):
to Karen Reid the lying, the pathological, lying, murderous psychopath
that she is, is that every I think people on
this side have bought into the propaganda. It's powerful. They've
bought into the innocence frau tail and they're pushing like
just nonsense, like Karen Reid was really upset about Bella's mom.

(23:25):
It was just Bella's mom. She killed him because she
got so jealous, because it's really just jealousy. It's not
that Karen Reid was abused John for years, demanded to
know where he was and demanded pictures of where he
was and who he was with, to keep an eye

(23:46):
on her victim at all times. It's not that she
accused him of having affairs to keep him on the
back foot and keep him in a defensive, submissive position. No.
Is it just she was jealous. Guys, She's so jealous.
It's not that accusing someone of having an affair is

(24:07):
a common tactic of female abusers. It's just that she's,
you know, she just really jealous of other women. She's
really jealous. And this is Karen read who said she
wasn't She didn't even love John O'Keefe. They were just dating.
So so the problem was when you were heading off

(24:29):
an innocence fraud campaign like Karen Reid. So it's well financed,
it's well moneyed, the media is picking up on it.
You have to combat it with the truth. And the
problem with the two trials that we had. The first
trial was better than the second trial was we got
all these nonsense narrative. Second trial, Bella's mom second trial,

(24:56):
Hank Brennan was making, you know, mistakes about who Karen
Reid called and hanging up on people she never hung
up on, and everything was kind of like out of order,
and you have to combat it with just the truth
and the truth in minutia so that Karen Reid has
nowhere to move. So I'll say it again, if any

(25:17):
of the witnesses have text messages to and from Karen Reid,
put it out in the public domain. I know people
on x are saying, well, they're going to just use
that to manipulate. No, the more information there is of
the truth, the less places Karen Reid has to go
to manipulate. The problem is is that all the witnesses
have stayed silent. The victim's family is largely stayed silent.

(25:40):
They've never done an interview as a family. There's never
been any real hard hitting pushback to this narrative, and
my conversations with the witnesses behind the scenes, they seemed

(26:00):
to have bought into a lot of this nonsense too,
like this idea that Karen Reid was frantic or panicked
that day. When have we ever seen Karen Reid panicked
or frantic? She acted frantic to cover up her crime.
She had to act like she was just discovering that
John O'Keeffe was dead when she seemed to tell everyone

(26:22):
before she ever led them to his body, that something
terrible had happened to him. She seemed to know that
he was dead before anyone else, another one of Karen
Reid's psychic moments. In addition to knowing when Michael Camerono arrived.
Maybe we can harness Karen Reid's awesome psychic powers. So
I got some criticism for talking about this campaign, and

(26:46):
I guess I'll go over one more time and why.
So this is like a campaign put together by people
who seem to just love true crime, and this is
supposed to be they're raising money for the harassed and
smeared witnesses. But never do they want to say who

(27:10):
smeared them. It's like they're they don't want to say
that this was all done by Karen Reid, by an
accused murderer, and her flying monkeys and her legal team
all got behind this witness harassment campaign because it was
good for them. It's a good narrative for them, But

(27:33):
never does that say this anywhere. First of all, they're
calling it the Karen Reid trial. I'd call it the
John o'keef trial. But okay, but then they call it
the John o'keefcase right after that. So which is it?
Is the Karen Reid trial or the John o'keef case.
Make I would call it the John o'keefcase. Who continue
to be horrendously harassed and defamed. So let's the Alberts, mccabs,

(27:57):
and Higgins families are asking for support and fighting against
the ongoing personal and professional attacks endured since April twenty
twenty two. Three. Excuse me, These attacks are part of
a coordinated and targeted effort to shift blame and spread
misinformation about the tragic death of Boston Police officer John Okee.
It wasn't a tragic death. It was a murder. It

(28:19):
was a murder, but done by Karen Reid, one of
the cruelest, most heartless murders. Just back into him and
just leave him to die alone in a blizzard with
just no way to act, like, just totally immobilized and
his injuries, no way to help himself in the freezing

(28:40):
cold without a jacket. I mean, how cruel is this murder?
Throughout two criminal trials, false narratives have been weaponized. How
about lies, flat out lies, smears, slander to make Karen
Reid all to make care and Read look good, and

(29:02):
similar tactics are being deployed in the O'Keefe civil trial.
I'm wondering if was this written by AI You think
it's so odd. Tactics are being deployed in the O'Keefe
civil trial to deflect responsibility and obstruct justice for John
Believing in the integrity of the justice system, that's where
they went wrong. There's nothing wrong with our justice system.

(29:23):
Although I didn't think Judge Kenoni was a great help
to Karen Read, but that's not the justice system. That's
a crap judge. But it's not the justice system. It's
the innocence fraud campaign that put pressure from the outside
onto our justice system, and that's how it works. We
like to think that our justice system works in a vacuum,

(29:46):
and it doesn't. With full cooperation. These individuals provided statements
to multiple law enforcement agencies and without wavering what without wavering,
what option did they have Now their witness is in
a murder case. Are you saying that these witnesses should

(30:08):
have wavered and said no, I don't want to testify.
I testified before grand juries and during two trials, something
the defendant never did. Why don't they want to call
out Karen Reid on this website? I don't understand. Help
me understand it. Why are they so kind to Karen
Reid on this website? Unfortunately, the steadfath faith in the

(30:32):
justice system was deeply misplaced. Or were they all just
too wimpy and afraid of harassment to speak out? I
baked them all to speak out before I said do
it can't hurt. But be careful who you talk to.
Talk to someone who won't edit in like Karen Read's

(30:54):
propaganda in between your quotes. A federal investigation driven by
selective and misleas information, selective and misleading lies. What is
this euphemism website we're looking at here? Selective and misleading?
It just guys, guys. The information that the murderer put

(31:16):
out was selective and misleading. It was one lie after
the next, one, conspiracy, smear, lie, misdirection, maybe mixed in
with maybe a little bit of truth. You always got
to mix in a little bit of truth provided by
the defense team sought to distract from the evidence. No,

(31:39):
not the evidence the evidence, yes, but the evidence against
the murderer, Karen Reid, the psychopathic, criminal.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Lying.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Murderer, pathological liar, Karen Reaid, disturbed, dangerous, murderer, Karen read.
Throughout this ordeal, these families have faced and continued to
face tremendous hardship resulting from public harassment, defamation threats, and

(32:13):
personal attacks. This would be a good time to list
some of that hardship. Many who have courageously stood up
and have also been targeted, while others have remained silent
out of fear of personal and professional retaliation. Well, that
doesn't show much courage. They have this video about how
courage is the most important thing and that then they
say that some of these witnesses stayed silent because they

(32:35):
had no courage and they were fearful for an intent
extended period. The families were framed from speaking publicly out
of respect for the judicial process and confident in its
commitments to fairness and truth, and because they didn't understand
innocence fraud and the people that make this website seem
to not understand it either. However, the silence offered no

(32:56):
protection and has permitted the injustice to persist unchallenged. Silence
is no longer an option? Why not? Why not just
stay silent? Why is silence no longer an option?

Speaker 8 (33:08):
Now?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Couldn't you just stay silent throughout the civil trial? Why?
Now it's time to stand up? Financial support is needed
to defend the truth. Any contribution, large or small will
help the families to secure the legal resources necessary to
confront these injustices and hold defenders accountable. The encouragement, compassion,

(33:30):
and strengths so many have shown are deeply appreciated and
provide the result to keep moving forward. Well, what do
you mean do you mean that if you didn't give
money that some of these people would just say f it,
I'm gonna go to the free Karen Rea side. With
continued support, justice will be served? Will it? Will it

(33:51):
be served? Will it be served? Is civil justice meaning
a monetary, a monument terry judgment? Is that justice for
John O'Keeffe? Because I feel like we're kind of past that,
I mean little. I think the time for justice for

(34:13):
John O'Keeffe is really the criminal trial. Civil trial. Would
be nice to have her legally held responsible, but but
she seems again to just be going from strength to
the murderer seems to just be going from strength to strength.

(34:33):
But for John O'Keeffe, whose memory deserves nothing less than
the truth, yeah, it does deserve nothing less of the truth.
Why aren't you putting the whole truth out there? What
happened to these witnesses? Really? I see these little videos
and they're like some like really sexist, vulgar messages online.

(34:59):
But I people don't have a sense of how steady
and how serious this harassment was. So let's see hold
on one second, and then we have these like I

(35:23):
thought these were really interesting, so reclaiming the narrative. These
are like these memes they made of Brian Albert. They're
almost like baseball kardish memes. Reclaiming the narrative. We believe you? Well,
who's we because there's lots of people who don't believe
them thanks to the innocence fraud campaign. Community husband, father,

(35:53):
So he's part of the community, are you saying, or
he's community minded? Is that what you're saying. I'm not
sure exactly what that means, the community of the He's
a husband and a father and a hero. Take our
word for it, I guess, And then there's Jen McCabe here,

(36:15):
mother's sister friend. It's almost like a gravestone. Here, mother's
sister friend. Here lies Jennifer McCabe, reclaiming the narrative. We
believe it. I just don't think this is the kind
of thing that wins hearts and minds. But okay, okay,
And so Kate Peter weighed in. She said that none

(36:36):
of the witnesses have any interest in talking to me.
Roberta Glass. Apparently I roberta Glass because Kate Peter, the
self described sociopath, she told Kevin Lenahan that she self
describes as a sociopath, apparently knows all about me and
how I feel. I'm owed, I don't feel I'm old.

(37:00):
And there are many interviews that I did that I
didn't do because I knew what I was going to get,
which was a lot of nonsense that was going to
help Karen read Karen Reid, How do I put this?

(37:21):
Karen Reid the murderer, and her innocence fraud campaign was
so effective that it actually brainwashed John O'Keefe's friends, the
witnesses in this case with her nonsense. So Kate Peter's
obviously behind this website. So she's angry that I have

(37:43):
some criticism of it. Apparently you're not allowed to have
any kind of reaction except everything you do is wonderful
on this side, and so you just have to keep
your mouth shut as you watch your side, the truth side,
victim side lose once again to a psychopathic murderer because

(38:04):
you don't want to hurt other people's feelings in true
crime by saying that maybe that this campaign could be
more effective. So zona Ego came out of blue. I've
never seen this. I don't know who this whose sock puppet?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
This is?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Said? Thank you five people who have led the charge
from day one and relentlessly fought to keep John o'keef's
spirit alive. Or were they true crime junkies who just
relentlessly tweeted on the case. Your commitment to shining a
light on injustices faced by his family and the witnesses
in this case is not just inspiring but essential. Together,

(38:48):
you're making a difference in honoring John's memory. I mean,
just this is what they want from me. So the
zona Egle some other people went after me. Oh law,
let me say hold on one second, let me see
if I can pull up some of these crazy, crazy criticisms.

(39:10):
They're calling me innocent fraud watch saying we're the same person,
We're awfully close, I mean, just ridiculous trying to smear
me with the idea that I do things secretly, or
that I would lie to my audience about who I
am and what I do, or I don't know why
they would think I would want to write an anonymous

(39:30):
blog and get no credit for it, but okay, or
even would have the time to do it, but okay.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh. Earl pink Ray is also coming says they're done
watching me. Please please, Earl pink Ray, I please, if
you don't want to watch me, don't watch me. I
think I'll been doing this quite some time. I think
I'll survive. So yeah, here she is saying she's done

(40:12):
watching me, and I of course like that tweet. And
then people are saying, what, how can you say that
Kate Peters self describes as a psychopath?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Is your only hope?

Speaker 5 (40:29):
I think I've done a lot of good work on
this case myself. But that's okay. I thank God for
Kate Peters do so I try to tell people that
you know, she would self describe herself as a social path,
but it's not at all. When you meet the real
Kate Peters and you work with the real Kate Peters,
it's not like she's.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Really I'm so surprised Kivin Lenahan hasn't learned to listen
when people talk and tell you they're shortcomings. All right,
So that's that. But you know, I mean, this is
like the kind of nonsense we've had on this side
of the fence. Is this this kind of like accident

(41:12):
stuff that Kate Peter's been pulling out. Here's a good example.
Innocent FraudWatch documented it on her blog. If you believe
Kate Peter aka mass Ole Mafia, nobody would have hated
cop killer Karen Reid for killing John O'Keefe, including domestic abuse.
I listened to this ex and my mouth hit the
floor at this murderer apologist nonsense coming from Kate Peter.

(41:37):
Kate Peter aka mass Hole Mafia allege everybody really liked Karen.
So this is a narrative they went with before the
first trial because they thought that if they all said,
if all the witnesses said that they really liked Karen,
then that would pull the rug out from under the
idea that it was a pinned on the girl conspiracy.
But I don't believe everybody did love Karen Reid. In fact,

(42:00):
I think, if I had to, my thoughts are I
think that Peggy O'Keefe certainly did not like Karen Reid
so much. I mean, remember when Pegy o'keef's at the
hospital and she said, what's she doing here? That's certainly
not a warm and everybody loved Karen responds to seeing

(42:20):
Karen Reid at the hospital. What's she doing here? Not
what's Karen doing here? It's what she There's a whole
distancing language there. What changed that was not just the
fact you know. This is Kate Peter describing what changed
that was not just the fact that you know she
killed John, but the way that she handled it after
the fact, right with the finger pointing and the hate.

(42:42):
I mean, so let's listen to this clip. This clip
is unreal. Take a listen to this nonsense.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
I don't think that at any point, had this been
handled a different way, that that woman would deserve to
be demonized. I know for a fact, confirmed from multiple
members of his family and social circle, that that happening,
and Karen Reid just saying, I fucked up. I'm sorry,
you know, take take the consequence, which probably wouldn't have
been that stiff for a first time tragic accident. Nobody

(43:12):
would have hated her for that, because up until this happened, nobody.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Who says this is a tragic first time accident. Who's
calls this an accident? When you put your foot to
seven seventy four point five percent down throttle on the
gas pedal that's almost all the way to the floor,
and reverse it up to speeds of twenty four miles

(43:38):
an hour, who says that's an accident? Who reverses that
fastened anything? And then she had her camera showing her
that she was gonna hit She could see clearly she
was hitting John. Karen Reid doesn't say it was a
tragic first time accident. Karen Reid says that to think

(43:58):
that this wasn't planned is a mistake and that the
plan was to teach John a lesson at minimum. So
who said that Karen Reid didn't know she did this,
or did this by accident, or was so out of control?
When has Karen Reid ever lost control? Really?

Speaker 9 (44:23):
But he hated Karen Reid. There was no animus. Everybody
liked her. Jen McCabe had her in her house. Carrie
Roberts tolerated her. Carry Roberts is a different animal, but
at no Karen didn't ever like her. But Carry also,
like Carrie had been around for such a long time that,
like John had a lot of women. I think the
longest relationship that I've heard about him having lasted like

(44:44):
maybe like six years, So he was a bit of
a bachelor. And so I don't think Carrie really took
any of the girlfriends that seriously, not even Karen Reid.
But like, other than that, everybody really liked her. I
thought she was great for John. That's what I hear consistently,
and I've heard for years and years and years is parents,
his niece and nephew. Everybody really liked Karen.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
What changed that was they were all fooled by the psychopath,
by the thin mask of a psychopathic murderer and a
pathological liar. That's the truth. So when you put out
these fake phony narratives, they all help Karen read. So

(45:24):
when Karen Reid said she doesn't do it, didn't do it. Well,
Everyone liked Karen Right, she's a trustable, dependable person who
just accidentally hit John O'Keefe with her car. And maybe
because of Bella's mom, guys, because she was so upset
about Bella's mom. Really it's Bella's mom, guys, Bella's mom

(45:46):
that really just threw her over the edge. I mean,
we could all forgive her, but instead she made an
innocent fraud campaign and she went on a witness at
She planned with her lawyers a witness harassment campaign via Aiden, Turtleboy,
Carney in a propaganda campaign, innocent fraud propaganda campaign that

(46:18):
would brainwash the public, and boy did it brainwash the public,
not including people on this side of the fence. But
I feel like this is about these people want recognition.
I get the impulse to help, but this kind of
narrative is not helping. This is only helping Karen read

(46:40):
not just.

Speaker 9 (46:41):
The fact that she killed John, but the way that
she handled it after the fact, right with the finger
pointing and the hate. I mean, and you know that
Karen Reid holds that against them because she sent Turtleboy
after the family too, which to me is still like
finger pointing.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
She disparaged and attacked the victims family members, finger pointing.
She smeared the witnesses. She made sure that they went
up to you know, Aiden Carney called them cop killers
and murderers. Everything, just total deflection onto them, pointing fingers.

(47:18):
I wish she pointed fingers.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
I mean, that's something to judge somebody on that, that's
something to judge somebody on.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Theay okay, okay, okay with that. I don't know, oh
yea yeai. So I mean it's what can you do?
What can you do?

Speaker 8 (47:44):
Really?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Try to tell the truth, try to put out more
information in the public domain would be really helpful. And
it would be also really helpful if the witnesses really
looked at their testimony and god it like in order
and made sure it was consistent and correct, that would
be helpful. What about when it was discovered Karen Reid

(48:13):
had been isolating John o'keeff from his friends and family
and creating division between people John cared about, like for example,
Christmas Eve twenty twenty one debacle, or the Ruba vacation,
Or what about when it was discovered why Karen Reid
had spent Christmas Day twenty twenty one home alone in
Mansfield had everybody really liked Karen? After learning all the

(48:37):
details which led to this and what about when it
was discovered Karen Reid had fabricated a story about Johnny
kissing Laura's sister in the lobby of the hotel in Aruba.
Had John's friends Laura and Maretta Sullivan really liked Karen
after this?

Speaker 8 (48:56):
I'll give you.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'll give you a little clue. Did they all really
like Karen? Did Mary out of Sullivan really like Karen.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I went up to her and I looked at her
and I said.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
John O'Keefe's girlfriend.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
And she looked at me and said Karen.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
And I said, yeah, you guys like her. She said yeah,
she's okay. And I said, well she sucks. Wow, that
doesn't sound like everybody really loved Karen Reid. She sucks
And everybody really liked Karen Reid when it was discovered

(49:33):
she had been flirting and kissing with ATF agent Brian
Higgins a week after flying back from Aruba behind John's back.
Had everybody really liked Karen When it was discovered all
what she had said to Brian Higgins and John O'Keefe
and her text messages and voicemails to them about John
and other people, including about his innocent and vulnerable niece
and nephew, that the niece and nephew made things toxic,

(49:57):
she didn't want to be around them. Did everybody really
like Karen Reid and think she was great for John
O'Keefe when they all discovered her domestic abuse of him
and the lead up to her killing him? And how
did Kate Peter consistently hear what she claims she heard
for years and years and years when she only really

(50:17):
learned of John o'keeff and Karen Reid in around late
twenty twenty three, and below is a transcript of what
Kate Peter alleged on November seventeen, twenty twenty five. I
don't think that at any point had this been handled
in a different way after that woman would be deserved
to be demonized. I know for a fact confirmed from

(50:39):
multiple members of his family in social circles that happening,
and Karen Reid just saying, I fed up, I'm sorry,
you know, sorry, I'm sorry I killed your son. Sorry, sorry,
I'm messed up, I'm bad. You know, you know it's

(51:01):
just a small mess up that your son has been
no longer on the planet, and your uncle, your fun uncle,
no longer on the planet. But you know, I just
messed up. Sorry goes a long way in those situations.
Take the consequences, which probably wouldn't have been that stiff
for a first time tragedy accident. No one would have
hated her for that, because up until this happened, nobody

(51:23):
hated Karen Reid. Not true, there is no animus. Everybody
liked her. Jen McCabe had her in her house, Carrie
Roberts tolerated her. Carry Roberts is a different animal, but no,
Carrie Roberts didn't never like her. That's a lot of negatives,
but Carrie, like Carrie had been around for such a
long time that John had a lot of women. I
think the longest relationship that I've heard about him having

(51:44):
lasted about six years er. So he was a bit
of a bachelor, and so I don't think Carrie really
took any of his girlfriend's that seriously, That's what I've heard,
that she didn't even get to know Karen Reid. That's
what I've heard Karen Reid. But like other than that,
everybody really liked her and thought she was great for John.

(52:05):
That's what I hear consistently, and I've heard for years
and years and years. His parents, his you know, his
niece and nephew, everybody really liked Karen. What change that
was not just the fact that you know, she killed John,
but the way she handled it after the fact, right
with the finger pointing and the hate. I mean, and
you know that Karen Reid holds that against them because
she sent Turtle Boy after the family too. No, she

(52:29):
just had Karen Reid. It's so if you're doing an
innocence fraud campaign, you got it. So so many innocence
frod campaigns go after victims' family members because they can
capture the public sympathy so easily with just the truth
and with their honest, off the cuff interviews. Luckily for Karen,

(52:53):
they never did an interview as a family, which would
have been the most powerful interview the hol lo' key family,
including the niece and nephew, So Aaron O'Keefe, Paul O'Keefe,
Peggy o'keef, John Senior, that would have been a super
powerful interview. So in lieu of that, she went after

(53:16):
them and said they sucked. They were terrible. They deserve
no sympathy, and that was pretty much the press's attitude
towards them too. Dit Oh, the witnesses so and anybody
who had the most knowledge of her guilt. She's gonna
try to undermine on issues of character. But this side

(53:39):
doesn't want to talk about Karen Reid's character at all,
doesn't want to bring her down, wants to somehow be
part of the mainstream in raising and treating Karen Reid
like a murderer, Karen Reid like a celebrity, like a
member of the royal family, while trying to prove her
guilt her character. We all saw her character in two trials,

(54:06):
and to quote Marietta Sullivan, it sucks. It more than sucks.
It's disturbing. She's dangerous and disturbed. And the closer you
stick to the real narrative, the more power your campaign's
going to have. But you guys have gone another way
into fantasyland where you're talking about witnesses in other cases,

(54:29):
other vague cases that have been harassed. I mean, I
don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what
case you're talking about, and you want to raise money
for them or be a help for them. These people
you've never talked about witnesses who come forward, Well, Karen
Reid had plenty of witnesses who came forward for her.

(54:50):
Snake in the grass Karina Calla Keith is, So are
you're going to support her? Good people who simply do
the right thing. I mean, that's kind of like a simplification.
We're all a mix, you know, mostly good people have
a lot of faults too, and Karen read has exploited
every single one. Are being harassed, defamed, threatened, and pressured

(55:14):
into silence. Imagine stepping forward believing justice will protect you,
only to find yourself fighting for your peace, your privacy,
and your safety. They also had witness advocates too through
both trials too, so they weren't entirely alone. Our mission
to protect and empower witnesses and victims of crimes who

(55:34):
face retaliation, harassment, and defamation fulfilling their civic duty. So
this is they're fully on board with any witness who
faces retaliation. They're going to back up no matter what
the what it's about, or why they face retaliation. We
ensure vulnerable people are not alone when they stand up

(55:54):
for what's right through advocacy, education, and collaboration. We work
to promote proper protection of witnesses and their rights. How
are you going to do that? What could the Commonwealth
have done differently? Do you think why we formed this movement?

(56:17):
This mission began during one of our most public one
of the most publicized trials in Massachusetts, where witnesses were
relentlessly harassed simply for cooperating with investigators. Their ordeal revealed
the dangerous gap in our justice system. That no, there's
no dangerous gap in our justice system. That showed a
pattern of intimidation and defamation from Karen Reid. It's not

(56:39):
from the justice system. It's from Karen Reid and her
innocence fraud campaign and her enablers. But this movement is
in about one case. Why not? So I'm persona non
grata now again, But I mean, I don't think I've
ever left from that position really in this case. So

(57:02):
it's nothing new for me, Nothing new for me. Oh okay,
So that is what I think I have for today.
We've been going for an hour. I think that's a

(57:23):
good hour. Any questions, how's everybody doing in the chat?
Has it been infiltrated by the murderous groupies. I have
trash pandas in this chat. I don't know where my

(57:44):
moderators are. I can't make them show up. They don't
show up. I'm with you, Roverta. I still remained steady. Okay,
I'm done responding to free care and read people. All right. Yeah,
so that's the that's what I have for today. You know,

(58:04):
this is going to be incredibly ineffective. They've raised money.
I mean, my understanding is I thought that witnesses could
pay for their lawyers, but they want to raise money.
Good for them. Certainly don't deserve to spend money out
of their pocket for being harassed and to famed with
Karen Read's ridiculous lawsuit. Laughable lawsuit. You know, I was

(58:25):
going to review the other video, but they've taken it down,
which so I can't really respond to it now. But
I don't know why. Why are they protecting Karen Reid
in this. I don't understand. It's like they want to
be part of the mainstream narrative so much that they're

(58:45):
willing to go really soft on Karen Reid in order
to virtue signal that they're supporting the witnesses in this case.
It's a mistake altogether. I mean, this is just, you know,
it's just frustrating to be on the losing side of

(59:06):
this case all the time and just watch these big
mistakes happen one after the next and call it out
and then watch us fail. And then it's like the
whole like the whole memory of me calling it out.
It just gets put into the put into the you know,

(59:26):
like it goes into the collective black hole. Most the
best thing they can do is put as much information
in the public domain if they have any information about
Karen Reid, any information about Karen Reid's relationships, any more
information about Karen Reid's abusive treatment of John o'keef, something

(59:50):
I've worked really hard to put out all that. But
as long as you treat her like she's not a
pathological liar and that she should be believed, you're supporting
Karen Reid. So that's what I have to say for tonight.
Have a great night everyone. I will be back very shortly,

(01:00:14):
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Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
I hit my boyfriend with my car.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
It wasn't an accident, but with Lyon lawyers, I'll go far,
Lion lawyers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
And witness harassment.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
All avoid prison. It was someone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I pushed the pain on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Now hit him hard now the legal system my clown.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
In since for a campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Making money true things. My second victim carry carry ginger.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Like John You were, Mama.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
My innocence from a campaign is my biggest.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I hid my boyfriend with my coat.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
It wasn't an as both liing lawyers I'll go phone,
Lion lawyers and witness harassment I'll avoid Christis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It was snowing.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
I pushed the pedal down, hit him hard.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
Now the legal system, my clown.

Speaker 7 (01:03:13):
Insense frog campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Making money. In truth, it's my second victim.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Carry carry ginger like John your word Mamo, but innocence
for ad campaign is my biggest hitten. Yeah they

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
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