November 10, 2025 • 53 mins
Karen Read with the help of State’s witness Erin O’Keefe, the narrative that Karen Read treating Kaley to Dunkin Donuts is what started a fight the morning of 1/28/2022 is now Karen Read myth. However, the text messages between Karen Read & John O’Keefe tell a different story.
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Show Notes: Innocence Fraud Watch “John O’Keefe REJECTED Cop Killer Karen Read & Her Romantic (Or Sexual) Advances During Morning Of January 28th 2022 & Dunkin’ Donuts Red Herring. Incl. Questions For Erin O’Keefe”- https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2025/11/07/john-okeefe-rejected-cop-killer-karen-read-her-romantic-or-sexual-advances-during-morning-of-january-28th-2022-the-dunkin-donuts-tale-told-by-erin-okeefe/
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Show Notes: Innocence Fraud Watch “John O’Keefe REJECTED Cop Killer Karen Read & Her Romantic (Or Sexual) Advances During Morning Of January 28th 2022 & Dunkin’ Donuts Red Herring. Incl. Questions For Erin O’Keefe”- https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2025/11/07/john-okeefe-rejected-cop-killer-karen-read-her-romantic-or-sexual-advances-during-morning-of-january-28th-2022-the-dunkin-donuts-tale-told-by-erin-okeefe/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, just be sure you didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Who did it?
Speaker 5 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know, We don't know, and it's not for
us to know.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen.
Speaker 6 (00:19):
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Glass True Crime Report putting the true back in true crime.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
From New York City.
Speaker 7 (00:47):
ROBERTA.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Oh okay, how is everybody? Hello? Mia, Nice to see
you a Mia Wallace. Dark Side of the Moon. We
ready for a role call Audrey Jill she Fly nine.
(01:29):
The usual suspects are all here. Tater Bug, thank you
for moderating. I appreciate it, and yes, please hit the
thumbs up on the way in. So. I wanted to
talk to you guys today because Innocent Fraud Watch keeps
putting out these amazing blogs on Karen Reid case, and
(01:54):
there's been some news in the Karen Reid case. I
think I should start it with that. Then I'll move
on to the blogs debunking this dunkin Donuts myth, and
I've always felt it was a myth. I've never been
sold on it. If you've been following this channel, that
Karen Reid had bought Caylee Duncin Donuts that morning and
(02:16):
meaning the morning of the twenty eighth of twenty twenty two,
and that is what set off John O'Keefe, and they
fought because Karen Reid was just too generous and too
indulgent with the children. And while I think that her
elaborate gifts and working against John O'Keefe's parenting could not
(02:43):
have helped the situation, surely their text messages tell quite
a different story. But before I start on that, on
this civil case, so if you guys remember back to
the first public civil hearing. So this is what I
mean when I'm talking about the civil case, I'm talking
(03:05):
about the o'keefees civil lawsuit against Karen Reid for wrongful
death and pain and suffering of Caylee. Goes into that.
So when they on the first public hearing, Karen Reid's
South African lawyer, Damien Seligson stood up and said, oh, actually,
(03:31):
we would like to be plaintiffs in this case and
join in a whole host of people, a list as
long as your arm of people who Karen Reid has
complaints like the O'Keefe family has complaints against us, well,
we have complaints against Uri Buchanic, Michael Proctor, the mccabes.
(03:52):
I mean, it just went on and on and on
and on, and really wanting to make this a confused case.
The judge didn't seem inclined to do it, and we've
been waiting for that filing. So they said, we're going
to tell you, we're going to ask to bring in
(04:13):
and they say they're going to do this to streamline
the case. This would do anything but streamline the case.
It would just confuse the case. Karen Reid wants to
sue them all civilly, which I don't think she has
a leg to stand on. It's really just making a defense,
a kind of conspiracy defense that points away the finger
(04:34):
from Karen Reid to all these other people and confuses
the jury. That's really what they want to do. And
the way they're arguing into the court is that they
want to streamline the case by bringing in these other
parties so it all can be dealt with in this
one case because otherwise, I mean it's for the same reason.
I mean, you can really look at this is Karen
(04:54):
Reid's pattern of behavior. So for the same reason that
karenaran Reid called Carrie Roberts, I mean really, she called
Michael Camerano first, and then Katherine Camerano. They were her
first marks. They weren't around, I mean, Katherine Camerono was around,
but she wasn't at work, which she was at work.
(05:15):
Then she called Carrie Roberts and Jen McCabe and had
them be an audience to her theatrics, Her performed hysterics,
Her feigned hysterics and pretending to not know where John
(05:38):
O'Keeffe was. So and they were also in there so
that she could point the finger at someone else. So
Jen McCabe, she made Jen McCabe plays the nine to
one one call. There's no recorded call of Karen Reid
ever calling nine to one one, of ever getting help
for John O'Keeffe. She got other people on the scene
(05:59):
so she could point away from herself. This is very
much the same thing. So on this so we've been
waiting for this filing of Karen Reid saying she wants
to bring in all these other people and all their arguments.
They're legal arguments for it, and it looks like it
was done in secrecy, which is a new one for
(06:19):
Karen Reid, who's used the courtroom really is a PR pulpit.
So let me see if I can go to X.
Here we go. So truth for Bs shared this on
(06:39):
an X. So this is about the Law Show civil case.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't know if you can.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
With Mark Bettero, who is one of Aiden Kearney's lawyers.
So Aiden Kearney being the blog who was really another
wing of the defense and Propa guy propaganda is the
public with all of Karen Reid's innocence fraw nonsense.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
You light on this or not. But I do know
for a fact that the attorneys for Karen Reid have,
through the spear of court Rule nine a process, told
the other attorneys they've filed their motion privately to the
other attorneys to add third party defendants and to add
additional causes of action. I don't know if you can
(07:35):
shed any light to us as to what's in that
motion which doesn't get filed in court publicly until the
other attorneys have the chance to respond. Or what do
you think the chances are that the judge in that
case will allow all of those third parties that her attorneys, so.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
We won't see actually what she filed until the other lawyers,
meaning the o'keefes lawyers Mark Dillar at all respond to it.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Jerney's talked about in the hearing a few weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Well, that's the extent my knowledge is what you just referenced.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm not privy to anything other than what's been reported
or set an open court.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And I know they.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Listed the several names of the usual suspects.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You would expect that they intended to add to the
party and go after you know, I understand their argument
that it's got At the same time, by putting it
on them, it exonerates Karen in a civil sense, So
why not have it all in one trial?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
I mean the impression I got though from the judge.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
See, you know they love to use this word exonerate.
It exonerates her civilly. I haven't seen any evidence that
exonerates Karen Reid. Mark Bedow, I haven't seen any evidence
it exonerates Karen Reid. I've seen evidence that shows that
(09:03):
Michael Proctor could have done his job more professionally as
far as writing me text messages to his friends about
Karen Reid. But I haven't seen any evidence that points
away from Karen Reid, shows that anyone else did this.
They couldn't even really develop a third party culprit in
(09:24):
the either Trial one or Trial two. They were allowed
to develop it, but that just meant they went a
full hog arguing it with no evidence that Judge Cononi
was such a horrible judge for those cases, was the
perfect judge for Karen Reid. I mean the point of
you have to have evidentiary support to your arguments, but
(09:48):
not so in Judge Canoni's courtroom. Just bring up whatever
you want.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Judge, at least back then several weeks ago, was they
was not inclined that. I mean, you say whatever you're
going to say, but you know, I think you have
a tough road to do that, and I may force
you to start your own proceeding against them.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
So I'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
But as far as what they provided to the other side,
I would assume they have the claims against those third
parties that we talked about, and we'll have.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
To wait and see.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yeah, I just got I got confirmation that yes, the
Rule nine A package was sent out. I just I
just thought maybe you could give us some insight into
what's in there.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I don't know that, to tell you the truth, I
know nothing about the civil case.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Okay, Sergeant Schultz.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He knows nothing about the civil case except that it
will exonerate Karen Reid. Not biased at all, not biased
at all. Whatever she has in there, it's going to
exonerate Karen Reid, surely. So that is just a little
update on the civil case, which I'll be watching and
(11:05):
in reporting when I can on it. But I am
about to move on to, you know, start to talk
about some other cases too on this channel. So hold tight,
old tight on that. But I'll be I'll be staying
(11:25):
on Karen read as much as I can. You know,
I think it's I'm interested in the civil case. I
don't know if my audience is. I'm interested in it,
so I'm gonna be talking about it. And when there's
an explosive blog like this one written by Innocent Fraud Watch,
(11:46):
I will be reporting on it. So back to this.
So we've all heard about this Dunkin Donuts story. It's
just something. It's never sat right with me that this
would be this much of a disruptive argument, like you
(12:08):
took Calie to Duncan Donuts before school. It is undermining
his parenting. I get that, but I along with all
the other evidence of Karen Reid, I've been talking about
Karen Reid spending her Christmas last Christmas, that John O'Keefe
(12:32):
was alive before she murdered him alone in Mansfield in
her home. I mean, things had really hit a breaking
point way before Aruba. And we know that shortly after
returning from Aruba, Karen Reid was writing Brian Higgins. Texting
(12:56):
Brian Higgins. Week after arriving back from Aruba, She's texting
Brian Higgins. So let's look at this blog, let's bring
it in and Innocent Fraud Watch looks at the text
messages of Karen and John and they tell a different story.
(13:22):
So it's called John O'Keeffe rejected cop killer, Karen Reid
and heromanic or sexual advances excuse me during morning of
January twenty eighth, twenty twenty two and Duncan Donuts red
herring including questions for Aaron O'Keeffe, So we know that
(13:50):
Thursday the twenty seventh, I went over this last good
show by the way, last show I thought it was
a good show about Karen read her ladder the way
the ladder was posed and this bump on the head
that she told the police John O'Keeffe had gotten and
(14:11):
was complaining about and innocent FraudWatch asked the question if
she was trying to make some kind of connection between
John o'keef hanging her chandelier and her stairway and this
bump on the head, So he was hanging a chandelier
in the stairway. Karen Reid took this really odd picture
(14:34):
of John O'Keefe's on the stairway, and she said he
brought his ladder to do it, and she was cooking
him a dinner to thank him for while he set
up the chandelier in her home with the ladder. But
when the police came, the ladder was still there. It
(14:56):
was just moved to the side. So was it really
was it really her ladder or did he leave his
ladder in the stairway after he fixed the chandelier. So Friday,
the twenty eighth of January twenty two to sixteen. This
is this weird two sixteen am phone call. It's not
(15:19):
known on what time John O'Keefe went to Mansfield on
the twenty seventh, but at two sixteen ten, so in
the early morning hours of January twenty eighth, Karen Reid
called John. It was also not known by the public
where Karen Reid was when she made her two sixteen
(15:40):
and ten seconds am call, and if she stayed at
her own home in Mansfield on the night of the
twenty seventh or at John's. The two sixteen ten call
was touched on during Karen Reid's twenty twenty five murder
trial by Hank Brennan and Trooper Grino Below.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
So you shared with us that you downloaded the extraction
of the phones that you identified, and you made reports
based on specific identified features, for example, a conversation between
two people.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Yes, so I didn't do the attraction of Gen's phone,
but I made those reports with the PDFs from the
debt extraction.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Relative to mister O'Keefe and the defendant's phones. You created
a document that provided us the phone calls between them.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
On January twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, that's correct, and separately.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
You also provided a document that included all of the
chats a test messages between John O'Keefe and the defendant
on January twenty nine, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
It also included the twenty eighth thank you.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And in that compilation, did you put together or do
you create or review a PowerPoint of those?
Speaker 11 (16:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
They did.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
And what was the point of that?
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Just to show.
Speaker 10 (16:57):
The texts and calls in a chronological order, because that
way you're not looking at two different documents trying to
compare and contrast the calls to text message when eacher
is coming in.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
And did you begin that PowerPoint presentation with a call
at to.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Sixteen ten on January twenty eight, twenty twenty two, Yes,
that's correct. Another additional chat to text messages earlier that morning.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
Yes, there's a handful starting around nine forty five.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Am okay, revitalize your sitting hair and transform your weak
pony tail. Thank you. So it starts at sixteen ten,
he started his started the report referring to the night
of January twenty seventh. Karen had said in a text
(17:49):
to John last night you were basically like, yeah, what
about when we talked about the future. So why don't
you just admit you're not into it into so much anymore.
I think she means into it so much or us anymore. Okay,
So that is that happened that night At seven eighteen am,
(18:18):
Karen was caught on John O'Keefe's ring camera waiting for
her car to drop off her niece. Let's take a
look at that. Wait, do I have let me actually
pull that up? I thought I pulled it up, but
I didn't pull it up. My apology. Let me just
(18:38):
open it and I'll fly through the commercials so you
don't have to. Really, I really not pull that up.
Oh no, I did pull it up. Okay, I did
pull it up. Hold on one second.
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Did you review ring video for January twenty eight two
in January twenty nine, twenty and twenty two, I didn't.
With the courts permission, I'd like to show a number
of segments of the video from January twenty eight, twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
Okay, the one that's already in evidence. It is a
good say okay, thank you.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
When you reviewed the video from the ring that Ring
provided for mister O'Keefe's home on Meadows for January twenty eight,
twenty twenty two. Did you review it from the morning
time at about seven eighteen fifty five throughout the.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Evening on the twenty eighth, Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 12 (20:10):
Could have video one nineteen.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So for those listening on podcast, you see Karen Reid
looks like she pulled out of John O'Keefe's driveway. I
mean not driveway, excuse me, garage directly. I mean that
would be a direct line in. And Cally comes out.
She throws her book pat bag into the back of
(21:00):
Karen Reid's car, and then they set off. Karen Reid's
going the driver to school. Do any kids take the
bus anymore? I didn't have this kind of luxury. Well,
actually ride to school in the morning. We waited outside
the driveway for the bus. And if you got like
(21:22):
one one year, you were on like a you were
just some years you were just giving like a bad
bus schedule and you had to get up at an
ungodly early hour because you were one of the first
people picked up. You wait out in the end of
the driveway and the cold. Oh no, I guess Aiden's
(21:46):
kids wait for the bus. I don't know. It's just
it seems like everyone's driving their kids to school now,
all right, So there's that again. It's not clear to
the public if Karen Reid had stayed at her home
in Mansfield on the night of the twenty seventh and
then drove to Canton in the morning, or if she
(22:08):
had stayed at John's and with no ring camera footage,
which for this period, it can only be speculated on
and at eight am. The ring camera footage of Karen
Reid arriving at John O'Keeffe's house after dropping the niece
off to school is also not publicly available, but based
on the context of text messages, it is estimated she
(22:28):
arrived to John's house set around eight am. So rejection.
I'm trying to hug and kiss you this morning, and
you whack me in the face with a pillow, Karen
Reid writes January twenty eight, twenty twenty two. It appears
Karen Reid felt rejected that John o'keeff had spurned her
(22:51):
romantic and possible sexual advances, and this is what really
set Karen off. On January twenty eighth, I'm not as
quick to jump back into being lovey dovey as you, apparently,
John O'Keefe January twenty eighth. After leaving John's house, by
around nine nineteen at the latest, Karen had spent around
(23:12):
one hour and eleven minutes on the phone to John
during the course of the morning, over three or possibly
four see ten seventeen thirteen am below separate calls, and
at nine nineteen thirty five, Karen Reid called John o'keef.
The call lasted fifteen minutes and twenty nine seconds. At
(23:32):
nine thirty five oh four, Karen reids fifteen minute and
twenty nine second with John O'Keeffe ended. Eighteen seconds later,
Karen Reid called John back again, just giving him an
eighteen second break. At nine thirty five twenty two, Karen
Reid called John o'keef. The call lasted three minutes and
fifty five seconds. Nine thirty nine thirty nine seventeen, Karen
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Reid's three minutes and fifty five second call with John
O'Keeffe ended ten minutes later. Karen Reid texted John ten
seventeen thirteen. Did Karen Reid called John o'keeff at ten
seventeen thirteen for a minute in sixteen seconds? Or was
this someone else? At ten fifty three eighteen, John O'Keeffe
called Karen Reid. The call lasted fifty two minutes in
(24:17):
twenty nine seconds. This is when she said she was
working from home this day. When could you work with
all these calls? Eleven forty five am. John O'Keefe ended
his ten fifty three call to Karen Reid gaslighting at
twelve thirty three pm. Text messages suggest that they'd smooth
(24:39):
things over by lunchtime, and everything appeared to be okay
with Karen when she texted John, no, life can pick
you up sometimes. Please be happy with them and put
away your frustration for the rest of the day and
be so proud of yourself JJ two sixteen to three
oh four. In reality, the frustration lay with Karen read
(25:00):
and by two sixteen ten her behavior had changed. We
can be which can be seen when she again referred
to around eight am, saying to John in the text,
I feel pretty shitty how this morning went down. I
know you said sorry, but it really stung, especially when
(25:21):
I've tried pretty hard lately. I feel like a loser
turning around just coming back over after everything you said,
and John writes at two seventeen sixteen not sure what
else you wanted me to do. I said, I'm sorry,
and I was out of line. If you prefer to
stay home, I totally get it. So what I get
(25:43):
for out of this is like, you don't want to come,
I won't miss you. If you don't want to come
out tonight, I won't miss you, Karen, because it gets
like all this communication between from Karen to John is
a burden to him. He's like, stop it, stop texting me,
(26:04):
stop calling me, and she just keeps violating his boundaries
over and over and over again, even sending a photo
of himself with his father, proving that he's with his father,
and proving that once again, Karen Reid insisted that John
o'keef send pictures to prove where he was and what
(26:26):
he was doing, so she could keep her eyes on
him at all times and you know, have her eyes
on her victim at all times. It's really disturbing how
this was normalized in court. I don't get. But did
she so after? You know what I'd like to ask
(26:48):
here is did she jump back in bed with him
after dropping off Kelly at school? Was he in bed
having more of a leisurely day? Did she jump in
bed with him and try to start something and he
rejected her. Was that the beginning of something? Trying to
hug and kiss you this morning and you whack me
(27:09):
in the face with a pillow and he's like, not
how it went down, but okay. One of my favorite
text messages from John O'Keefe that Karen read. John replied,
I'm not sure what else you want me to do? Oh,
I said. I was sorry and I was out of line.
(27:30):
If you prefer to stay home, I totally get it.
Karen had then called John at two seventeen for two
minutes and twenty seconds. This call ended at two twenty
oh six. She called John at two twenty two fifty
six for one minute and seven seconds, and that ended
(27:51):
at two twenty four h three and fourteen seconds later.
Karen had called John back again, but he rejected her call,
so at two twenty five eighteen, she texts him, tell
me if you're interested in someone else, can't think of
any other reason you've been like this. John replied, things
(28:11):
haven't been great between us for a while. Ever considered
that Karen had called John at two twenty eight forty
and again he rejected her call. John then texted Karen
twenty three seconds later, saying kids are here, not in
the mood to talk. Karen replied, so you're not into
(28:32):
it anymore, Like I'm just going to ignore that the
kids altogether. So you're not into it anymore. I'm going
to continue this argument. That's fine, but I don't want
to keep trying if you keep treating me like this,
followed by I'm trying to hug and kissy this morning
and you whack me in the face with a pillow
last night. You were basically like, yeah, what about when
(28:54):
we talked about the future, So why don't you just
admit it? You're not into it so much anymore, which
John replied not how it went down, but okay, followed
by sick of always arguing and in fighting. It's been
weekly for several months now, John texts, So yeah, I'm
not as quick to jump back into being lovey dovey
(29:15):
as you apparently. Karen then called John at two thirty
two forty seven, and he again rejected her call, So
Karen texted, John, can you please admit your head is
out of the game with us, to which John replied
to Karen with, oh my god, stop calling Karen then
(29:37):
texted to thirty two fifty eight, then why would you
start with me this morning? Say it's John starting with
Karen starting something with John, You're setting me up to fail.
This is all Karen's text to thirty three twenty six.
You start a number of fights from your end. John
then texted Karen, I've explained it a few times already,
(30:00):
not doing it again, followed by not into fighting all
the time? Correct. Karen then texted John saying if you
tell me you're interested in someone else, you'll never hear
from me again. You can have all the space in
the world. John seemingly replied with a blank message, to
which karenry replied, then stop starting with me. Say it's
(30:24):
such the narciss display book. It's never anything Karen REI does,
always something John O'Keefe does. Hold on one second. I
just got to take a drink of water. Hold on, okay.
At two thirty two twenty Karen had again called John,
(30:48):
and again he rejected her call. Twenty two seconds later,
he texted, I'm not answering. Stop calling. Exhausting. That's how
Innocent Fraud Watch puts the heading to this. Karen read
is exhausting, Karen replied to John saying can you please
(31:09):
answer after how you treated me earlier. Karen again called
John at twelve thirty two fifty four, and again he
rejected her call, texting back eight seconds later saying, Cayley
is right here. Karen replied, you start a rager with
me out of nowhere, and then you tell me you're
sick of fighting with me, followed by I'm going to
(31:33):
grab a drink in a bit At twelve thirty eight fourteen.
John liked Karen's text that she was gonna drab grab
a drink, and Karen called John, who again rejected her call.
Karen texted John ten seconds later saying can you please answer,
and John replied no. Karen, not sure why you need
(31:56):
to announce that you're grabbing a drink, but have fun
seeing if you want to meet me later, Karen writes,
followed by can you please call me? John replied, have
to take them to the doctor, he has practice. Karen
texted back yeah. Five minutes. Karen called John at twelve
(32:19):
thirty at twelve forty three oh one and John let
Karen ring. Karen's call ring out, which showed up as
a miscall on his phone. Karen Reid called again at
twelve forty three forty five again and John rejected her call,
and thirteen seconds later he texted at twelve forty three
(32:40):
fifty eight, my father just walked in. More manipulation. Karen
Reid replied, okay, can you please call me for two minutes,
twelve seconds later with I'm there when anyone else needs me.
Karen then called John again, and again John rejected Karen's call,
(33:01):
and nineteen seconds later John sent Karen a photo of
his father sitting on his couch. Karen retexted twenty five
seconds later said yes, John, you gave me utter grief
this morning. I'd like to I'd like you to call
me for a minute, like she's now the schoolmarm. I'd
like you to report to the Such a portrait of manipulation,
(33:25):
Isn't it like you've treated me terribly? It's like guilt manipulation,
guilt manipulation. You're cheating, You're treating me terribly. I'm so
into this, but I've been texting another guy and kissing
another guy, and but it's you who's not into it.
(33:50):
Two forty six eight. I've been trying to get over
the hump with is arguing, And now you're telling me
you're not into things and you don't want to fight weekly,
but fly off the handle with me at eight am,
like you're setting me up to fail. I've been dealing
with my own personal crisis over things I have zero
control over. I'd like to lean on you sometimes Instead
(34:12):
I just hear everything I've done wrong. So I think
she's just saying personal crisis. I think this is her
illnesses that may or may not be made up. We
know that the brain tumor was just like a side
(34:33):
effect for medication and not cancerous at all, and certainly
she didn't have her whole colon remove. That's a whole
nother story. Two fifty fifty six to fifty one thirteen,
Karen had called John and again John had rejected both calls.
At two fifty two thirty seven to fifty three, Karen
(34:54):
again calls John, and John lets both calls, ringing out.
Karen texts John seconds later saying you seriously cannot pick
up the phone for two seconds. So Karen reidcalled John
again at two fifty eight, and again John had rejected
Karen's call, but at two fifty nine, John had called
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Karen for five minutes and eleven seconds. This call ended
at three oh four eleven, after which Karen had begun
texting John's sister in law, Aaron O'Keeffe a series of messages.
Aaron said of Karen, she had texted me while I
was waiting for the school bus. Let's listen to Aaron's
so it gets a little awkward reading all of this.
(35:36):
Let's look at Aaron's testimony. I know I have it
up here. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
If you were what if any calls?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So again, this is going to be the first trial.
Aaron o'keeff didn't give testimony second trial. Unfortunately. I thought
she was a pretty good witness, certainly a better witness
than her husband.
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Paula Keith, you have with miss Reid on that day
she had texted me while I was waiting for the
school bus, asking if there was any chance I was
out without Paul.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Was that a typical thing that she would text you
as far as the without Paul Parker? No, And you
indicated that you were waiting for the school bus. Correct,
And at that time, in January twenty two, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Had two daughters corrected, yes, correct, more.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Than the same school as far as.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
On the same bus.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
No, they were not their separate schools, So I'd say.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
One was maybe an elementary one was in middle school.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
So as far as around that time that you received
the text, would that have.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Been the younger daughter or the older daughter that you
were waiting for us?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
The younger daughter? It was after three o'clock?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And who comes home or at that time who came
home first? The younger daughter?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Our older daughter?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And when you receive that text.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
From the defendant, what if anything did you or how
did you respond?
Speaker 11 (37:21):
I said that we I was waiting for the school bus,
and we had basketball on Friday nights.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
And the basketball on Friday nights? Was that something that
was one of your daughters or both both?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And do you.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
Recall, well, let me ask you this with regard to
your daughter's basketball at least at that time, what if
any sort of relationship did your husband have to those basketballs?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
He was the coach for both of them.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And was that something that was sort of like a
local league? Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
And that all of you and by all I mean yourself,
your husband, and the two girls that you all go
to both games that night?
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And you recall about what time those games.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Were six or seven.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Now, this Read reached out to you and texted you,
and then you responded as you described, What if any
further conversation did you have with miss Read on that day?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
I asked her if everything was okay, if something was up,
and she responded and said another day. I wish I
didn't talk to an O'Keefe after two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And how did you respond to that?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Which is weird because she's an O'Keefe. Does she think
that Aaron because she married into the families in the O'Keefe,
or does did Aaron share her problems with the o'keefes
with Karen and vice versa. I said, what happened? What's
going on?
Speaker 11 (38:57):
And they had bickered a guess about her taking Kayle
to Dunkin Donuts in the morning before.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Right, which is Karen's story. Karen's not going to say
I jumped into bed with John and after returning from
Dunkin Donuts. I mean, I'm not saying that he loved
dunkin the idea that she brought Kelly to Dunkin Donuts,
but it seems from the text message is much more
likely that she had jumped into bed with him or
(39:26):
had tried to get physical with him and he didn't
he wasn't into it. And did they start fighting during
the hanging of that chandelier? And is that why he
left his ladder there in a huff? Did he leave
in a huff? And did she come to his house
at two twenty six that day that night and sleepover?
(39:52):
Just some ideas. I don't know, you know, you can't know.
This is speculation, but it's speculation based on the text messages.
So this is what she's telling Aaron O'Keefe. It's all
about which is the Dunkin Donuts? It's Dunkin. I'm just
too nice to the kids. Why aren't I meaner to
(40:13):
the kids? John wants me to be meaner to the kids,
not feed them sugar for breakfast or school.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And just to be clear, when you say they, you
mean John O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
And correct.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
You recall sort of how that conversation evolved or what
if anything else was said during that time.
Speaker 11 (40:39):
I just knew that they had gotten into some type
of what. I don't know if it was an argument
or there was something they bickered about her taking them
and he said that she spoiled them.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Now, as far as your conversation with Miss Reid in
regard to the weekends, what if anything to two of
you talk about As far as plans.
Speaker 11 (41:15):
I said, I was anticipating a storm, so was probably
going to hang in the neighborhood with everybody.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Now, as far as later on in that afternoon, what
if any sort of further communication did you receive from
Miss Reid that day?
Speaker 11 (41:34):
I think the last text was a picture something that
popped up in her memories of my children and Kayley
and Patrick from the cape that summer and said, this
just popped up my memories and made me smile.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Now, did you have occasion to talk with Miss Read
any further on that day of the twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
No, that was it. Okay, that's the end of that testimony.
But Karen tells Aaron, it's all about Duncan Donuts and
they're just treating the kids too too nicely, spoiling them. Karen, Okay,
(42:26):
let's see where we're all right. So, so in this
is fraud, Watch ends this with some questions, and they're
(42:49):
always good. These questions are always good because they always give
you a lot to think about. They're really not just
questions for Aaron o'keeith, They're really questions for the reader
to think about. What did Aaron O'Keeffe think Karen Reid
was insinuating by a comment if there was any chance
I was without Paul. Why did Aaron O'Keeffe tell Karen
(43:10):
Reid they had basketball on Friday nights? How did Aaron
O'Keeffe feel about Karen Reid's statement? So I wish I
didn't talk to and O'Keeffe after two thousand and four,
in the knowledge she too was an O'Keefe. He'llp it
by marriage. Yeah, I thought the same thing. How did
Aarin O'Keeffe know John O'Keeffe and Karen Reid had bickered
(43:32):
about her taking Kelly to Duncan Donuts in the morning
before school. Aaron O'Keeffe had said she just knew that
Karen Reid and John O'Keefe had gotten into some type
of what. I don't know if it was an argument.
How so Aarin O'Keeffe said they bickered about her taking them.
(43:53):
What did Aaron mean about this? How did Aaron O'Keeffe
know John O'Keeffe had told Karen Reid on January twenty eighth,
that she spoiled Then what evidence did she see, if any,
that Karen Reid spoiled them? It certainly wasn't their testimony
Kley and Patrick's. They didn't feel spoiled anything. Patrick talked
(44:21):
about getting the cold treatment from Karen Reid. She I
think they had an argument of her steak tips, like
she wasn't eating them with enough like joy happiness to
have them. And Caylee talked about Karen Reid running hot
(44:45):
and cold. OR'd just be like this coldness coming from
Karen Reid. Other times she'd be Okay, you just didn't
know which Karen Reid you'd get. Did Aaron O'Keefe find
it odd when Karen Reid texted her this just popped
up in my memories and made me smile, given the
fact she previously said she wish she didn't talk to
in n O'Keeffe after two thousand and four. Did Karen
Reid tell Aaron o'keeff that John O'Keeffe had spurned her
(45:06):
romantic or sexual advances on the morning of the January
twenty eighth, How often, if at all, did Karen Reid
send text to Aaron O'Keeffe like her, this just popped
up in my memories and made me smile. Text Did
Karen read regularly text or call Aaron O'Keefe to complain
to her about John O'Keefe. And if Karen Reid did
(45:28):
regularly text or call Aerin o'keef to complain about to
her about John, what was it that she complained about.
Did John O'Keeffe ever complain to Aaron about Karen Reid?
Did Aaron O'Keeffe meet Karen Reid for the first time
in twenty twenty on a different day to her husband
Paul O'Keeffe, or did she or Paul make a mistake
(45:50):
during their twenty twenty four testimony, So they have two.
Their memories are different about meeting when they met. You
would think they would meet Karen Reid for the first
them together, but their memories are different. Take a listen
that you.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
First met Karen.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I believe it was Mother's Day, so maybe May of
twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
Over the course, well, when was the first time did
you recall meeting the defender misrut?
Speaker 11 (46:24):
I believe it was in June of twenty twenty during.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
COVID based on sort of your understanding, when was that
in relation to when they began sort of their relationship.
Speaker 11 (46:35):
I think it was in February or March of that
same year, so.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Right around the time that the pandemic caused a sort
of general shutdown, correct.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
I think so, yes.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Now, as far as you were aware, did you know
of any sort of pre existing relationship or any time
that they had dated in the past prior to that
February March of twenty twenty.
Speaker 11 (46:55):
I learned that after the fact, So fair to say
during any sort of previous time that they may or
may not have dated, you hadn't met miss Read.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You weren't aware of her at all?
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Correct, I had not met her.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
And do you recall sort of where you were what
the circumstances were the first time that you that you
met the defender?
Speaker 11 (47:14):
I believe we were all coming to our house. It
was either it may have been a birthday party or
Father's day, but we were out on the patio.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I think it was June. Okay, So that that's that story.
I mean, just take that down so it's not in
my ear. So that's a little bit different than the
dunkin Donuts story. I don't know how you guys feel
(47:46):
about that. It makes a lot more sense to me.
That's a dunkin Donut story, and it goes a lot
better with the text message. I just can't imagine Karen
Reid calling Aaron o'kee. I know they were friendly, but
saying yeah, I jumped into bed with John or maybe
(48:08):
he was out of bed and she tried something and
he was not into it. But it seemed to put
Karen Reid into some kind of the rejection seemed to
I mean, that's just a little bit of the phone
communication that day. It just never stops. She's relentless and
(48:32):
completely violates any boundaries he tries to set up. But
that is what I have for today, guys. That is
the update on It makes a lot more sense, at
least in my head. I've never really bought this. I
was like what when I first heard the dunk Donuts story,
(48:53):
I was like what they thought over? What taking the
kids to dunkin Donut? Really? Really, that sounds like a
small It may have been a small squabble that day,
but that's not the That's a tiny part of it,
tiny part of it. Legion says absolutely Roberta. So I'll
(49:16):
be returning to this sometimes, but we're gonna be talking
about other things too, in this case, on this channel
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for listening.
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I pushed the pain on. Now hit him hard.
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Speaker 9 (53:10):
In the
Okay, just be sure you didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Who did it?
Speaker 5 (00:13):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We don't know, We don't know, and it's not for
us to know.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Somebody other than Karen.
Speaker 6 (00:19):
Somebody other than Karen is responsible for that, for the
killing of John.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Oh okay, how is everybody? Hello? Mia, Nice to see
you a Mia Wallace. Dark Side of the Moon. We
ready for a role call Audrey Jill she Fly nine.
(01:29):
The usual suspects are all here. Tater Bug, thank you
for moderating. I appreciate it, and yes, please hit the
thumbs up on the way in. So. I wanted to
talk to you guys today because Innocent Fraud Watch keeps
putting out these amazing blogs on Karen Reid case, and
(01:54):
there's been some news in the Karen Reid case. I
think I should start it with that. Then I'll move
on to the blogs debunking this dunkin Donuts myth, and
I've always felt it was a myth. I've never been
sold on it. If you've been following this channel, that
Karen Reid had bought Caylee Duncin Donuts that morning and
(02:16):
meaning the morning of the twenty eighth of twenty twenty two,
and that is what set off John O'Keefe, and they
fought because Karen Reid was just too generous and too
indulgent with the children. And while I think that her
elaborate gifts and working against John O'Keefe's parenting could not
(02:43):
have helped the situation, surely their text messages tell quite
a different story. But before I start on that, on
this civil case, so if you guys remember back to
the first public civil hearing. So this is what I
mean when I'm talking about the civil case, I'm talking
(03:05):
about the o'keefees civil lawsuit against Karen Reid for wrongful
death and pain and suffering of Caylee. Goes into that.
So when they on the first public hearing, Karen Reid's
South African lawyer, Damien Seligson stood up and said, oh, actually,
(03:31):
we would like to be plaintiffs in this case and
join in a whole host of people, a list as
long as your arm of people who Karen Reid has
complaints like the O'Keefe family has complaints against us, well,
we have complaints against Uri Buchanic, Michael Proctor, the mccabes.
(03:52):
I mean, it just went on and on and on
and on, and really wanting to make this a confused case.
The judge didn't seem inclined to do it, and we've
been waiting for that filing. So they said, we're going
to tell you, we're going to ask to bring in
(04:13):
and they say they're going to do this to streamline
the case. This would do anything but streamline the case.
It would just confuse the case. Karen Reid wants to
sue them all civilly, which I don't think she has
a leg to stand on. It's really just making a defense,
a kind of conspiracy defense that points away the finger
(04:34):
from Karen Reid to all these other people and confuses
the jury. That's really what they want to do. And
the way they're arguing into the court is that they
want to streamline the case by bringing in these other
parties so it all can be dealt with in this
one case because otherwise, I mean it's for the same reason.
I mean, you can really look at this is Karen
(04:54):
Reid's pattern of behavior. So for the same reason that
karenaran Reid called Carrie Roberts, I mean really, she called
Michael Camerano first, and then Katherine Camerano. They were her
first marks. They weren't around, I mean, Katherine Camerono was around,
but she wasn't at work, which she was at work.
(05:15):
Then she called Carrie Roberts and Jen McCabe and had
them be an audience to her theatrics, Her performed hysterics,
Her feigned hysterics and pretending to not know where John
(05:38):
O'Keeffe was. So and they were also in there so
that she could point the finger at someone else. So
Jen McCabe, she made Jen McCabe plays the nine to
one one call. There's no recorded call of Karen Reid
ever calling nine to one one, of ever getting help
for John O'Keeffe. She got other people on the scene
(05:59):
so she could point away from herself. This is very
much the same thing. So on this so we've been
waiting for this filing of Karen Reid saying she wants
to bring in all these other people and all their arguments.
They're legal arguments for it, and it looks like it
was done in secrecy, which is a new one for
(06:19):
Karen Reid, who's used the courtroom really is a PR pulpit.
So let me see if I can go to X.
Here we go. So truth for Bs shared this on
(06:39):
an X. So this is about the Law Show civil case.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't know if you can.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
With Mark Bettero, who is one of Aiden Kearney's lawyers.
So Aiden Kearney being the blog who was really another
wing of the defense and Propa guy propaganda is the
public with all of Karen Reid's innocence fraw nonsense.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
You light on this or not. But I do know
for a fact that the attorneys for Karen Reid have,
through the spear of court Rule nine a process, told
the other attorneys they've filed their motion privately to the
other attorneys to add third party defendants and to add
additional causes of action. I don't know if you can
(07:35):
shed any light to us as to what's in that
motion which doesn't get filed in court publicly until the
other attorneys have the chance to respond. Or what do
you think the chances are that the judge in that
case will allow all of those third parties that her attorneys, so.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
We won't see actually what she filed until the other lawyers,
meaning the o'keefes lawyers Mark Dillar at all respond to it.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
Jerney's talked about in the hearing a few weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
Well, that's the extent my knowledge is what you just referenced.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm not privy to anything other than what's been reported
or set an open court.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And I know they.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Listed the several names of the usual suspects.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You would expect that they intended to add to the
party and go after you know, I understand their argument
that it's got At the same time, by putting it
on them, it exonerates Karen in a civil sense, So
why not have it all in one trial?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
I mean the impression I got though from the judge.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
See, you know they love to use this word exonerate.
It exonerates her civilly. I haven't seen any evidence that
exonerates Karen Reid. Mark Bedow, I haven't seen any evidence
it exonerates Karen Reid. I've seen evidence that shows that
(09:03):
Michael Proctor could have done his job more professionally as
far as writing me text messages to his friends about
Karen Reid. But I haven't seen any evidence that points
away from Karen Reid, shows that anyone else did this.
They couldn't even really develop a third party culprit in
(09:24):
the either Trial one or Trial two. They were allowed
to develop it, but that just meant they went a
full hog arguing it with no evidence that Judge Cononi
was such a horrible judge for those cases, was the
perfect judge for Karen Reid. I mean the point of
you have to have evidentiary support to your arguments, but
(09:48):
not so in Judge Canoni's courtroom. Just bring up whatever
you want.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Judge, at least back then several weeks ago, was they
was not inclined that. I mean, you say whatever you're
going to say, but you know, I think you have
a tough road to do that, and I may force
you to start your own proceeding against them.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
So I'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
But as far as what they provided to the other side,
I would assume they have the claims against those third
parties that we talked about, and we'll have.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
To wait and see.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yeah, I just got I got confirmation that yes, the
Rule nine A package was sent out. I just I
just thought maybe you could give us some insight into
what's in there.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I don't know that, to tell you the truth, I
know nothing about the civil case.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Okay, Sergeant Schultz.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He knows nothing about the civil case except that it
will exonerate Karen Reid. Not biased at all, not biased
at all. Whatever she has in there, it's going to
exonerate Karen Reid, surely. So that is just a little
update on the civil case, which I'll be watching and
(11:05):
in reporting when I can on it. But I am
about to move on to, you know, start to talk
about some other cases too on this channel. So hold tight,
old tight on that. But I'll be I'll be staying
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on Karen read as much as I can. You know,
I think it's I'm interested in the civil case. I
don't know if my audience is. I'm interested in it,
so I'm gonna be talking about it. And when there's
an explosive blog like this one written by Innocent Fraud Watch,
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I will be reporting on it. So back to this.
So we've all heard about this Dunkin Donuts story. It's
just something. It's never sat right with me that this
would be this much of a disruptive argument, like you
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took Calie to Duncan Donuts before school. It is undermining
his parenting. I get that, but I along with all
the other evidence of Karen Reid, I've been talking about
Karen Reid spending her Christmas last Christmas, that John O'Keefe
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was alive before she murdered him alone in Mansfield in
her home. I mean, things had really hit a breaking
point way before Aruba. And we know that shortly after
returning from Aruba, Karen Reid was writing Brian Higgins. Texting
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Brian Higgins. Week after arriving back from Aruba, She's texting
Brian Higgins. So let's look at this blog, let's bring
it in and Innocent Fraud Watch looks at the text
messages of Karen and John and they tell a different story.
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So it's called John O'Keeffe rejected cop killer, Karen Reid
and heromanic or sexual advances excuse me during morning of
January twenty eighth, twenty twenty two and Duncan Donuts red
herring including questions for Aaron O'Keeffe, So we know that
(13:50):
Thursday the twenty seventh, I went over this last good
show by the way, last show I thought it was
a good show about Karen read her ladder the way
the ladder was posed and this bump on the head
that she told the police John O'Keeffe had gotten and
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was complaining about and innocent FraudWatch asked the question if
she was trying to make some kind of connection between
John o'keef hanging her chandelier and her stairway and this
bump on the head, So he was hanging a chandelier
in the stairway. Karen Reid took this really odd picture
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of John O'Keefe's on the stairway, and she said he
brought his ladder to do it, and she was cooking
him a dinner to thank him for while he set
up the chandelier in her home with the ladder. But
when the police came, the ladder was still there. It
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was just moved to the side. So was it really
was it really her ladder or did he leave his
ladder in the stairway after he fixed the chandelier. So Friday,
the twenty eighth of January twenty two to sixteen. This
is this weird two sixteen am phone call. It's not
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known on what time John O'Keefe went to Mansfield on
the twenty seventh, but at two sixteen ten, so in
the early morning hours of January twenty eighth, Karen Reid
called John. It was also not known by the public
where Karen Reid was when she made her two sixteen
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and ten seconds am call, and if she stayed at
her own home in Mansfield on the night of the
twenty seventh or at John's. The two sixteen ten call
was touched on during Karen Reid's twenty twenty five murder
trial by Hank Brennan and Trooper Grino Below.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
So you shared with us that you downloaded the extraction
of the phones that you identified, and you made reports
based on specific identified features, for example, a conversation between
two people.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Yes, so I didn't do the attraction of Gen's phone,
but I made those reports with the PDFs from the
debt extraction.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Relative to mister O'Keefe and the defendant's phones. You created
a document that provided us the phone calls between them.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
On January twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, that's correct, and separately.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
You also provided a document that included all of the
chats a test messages between John O'Keefe and the defendant
on January twenty nine, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (16:44):
It also included the twenty eighth thank you.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
And in that compilation, did you put together or do
you create or review a PowerPoint of those?
Speaker 11 (16:54):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
They did.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
And what was the point of that?
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Just to show.
Speaker 10 (16:57):
The texts and calls in a chronological order, because that
way you're not looking at two different documents trying to
compare and contrast the calls to text message when eacher
is coming in.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
And did you begin that PowerPoint presentation with a call
at to.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Sixteen ten on January twenty eight, twenty twenty two, Yes,
that's correct. Another additional chat to text messages earlier that morning.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
Yes, there's a handful starting around nine forty five.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Am okay, revitalize your sitting hair and transform your weak
pony tail. Thank you. So it starts at sixteen ten,
he started his started the report referring to the night
of January twenty seventh. Karen had said in a text
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to John last night you were basically like, yeah, what
about when we talked about the future. So why don't
you just admit you're not into it into so much anymore.
I think she means into it so much or us anymore. Okay,
So that is that happened that night At seven eighteen am,
(18:18):
Karen was caught on John O'Keefe's ring camera waiting for
her car to drop off her niece. Let's take a
look at that. Wait, do I have let me actually
pull that up? I thought I pulled it up, but
I didn't pull it up. My apology. Let me just
(18:38):
open it and I'll fly through the commercials so you
don't have to. Really, I really not pull that up.
Oh no, I did pull it up. Okay, I did
pull it up. Hold on one second.
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Did you review ring video for January twenty eight two
in January twenty nine, twenty and twenty two, I didn't.
With the courts permission, I'd like to show a number
of segments of the video from January twenty eight, twenty
twenty two.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
Okay, the one that's already in evidence. It is a
good say okay, thank you.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
When you reviewed the video from the ring that Ring
provided for mister O'Keefe's home on Meadows for January twenty eight,
twenty twenty two. Did you review it from the morning
time at about seven eighteen fifty five throughout the.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Evening on the twenty eighth, Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 12 (20:10):
Could have video one nineteen.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So for those listening on podcast, you see Karen Reid
looks like she pulled out of John O'Keefe's driveway. I
mean not driveway, excuse me, garage directly. I mean that
would be a direct line in. And Cally comes out.
She throws her book pat bag into the back of
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Karen Reid's car, and then they set off. Karen Reid's
going the driver to school. Do any kids take the
bus anymore? I didn't have this kind of luxury. Well,
actually ride to school in the morning. We waited outside
the driveway for the bus. And if you got like
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one one year, you were on like a you were
just some years you were just giving like a bad
bus schedule and you had to get up at an
ungodly early hour because you were one of the first
people picked up. You wait out in the end of
the driveway and the cold. Oh no, I guess Aiden's
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kids wait for the bus. I don't know. It's just
it seems like everyone's driving their kids to school now,
all right, So there's that again. It's not clear to
the public if Karen Reid had stayed at her home
in Mansfield on the night of the twenty seventh and
then drove to Canton in the morning, or if she
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had stayed at John's and with no ring camera footage,
which for this period, it can only be speculated on
and at eight am. The ring camera footage of Karen
Reid arriving at John O'Keeffe's house after dropping the niece
off to school is also not publicly available, but based
on the context of text messages, it is estimated she
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arrived to John's house set around eight am. So rejection.
I'm trying to hug and kiss you this morning, and
you whack me in the face with a pillow, Karen
Reid writes January twenty eight, twenty twenty two. It appears
Karen Reid felt rejected that John o'keeff had spurned her
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romantic and possible sexual advances, and this is what really
set Karen off. On January twenty eighth, I'm not as
quick to jump back into being lovey dovey as you, apparently,
John O'Keefe January twenty eighth. After leaving John's house, by
around nine nineteen at the latest, Karen had spent around
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one hour and eleven minutes on the phone to John
during the course of the morning, over three or possibly
four see ten seventeen thirteen am below separate calls, and
at nine nineteen thirty five, Karen Reid called John o'keef.
The call lasted fifteen minutes and twenty nine seconds. At
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nine thirty five oh four, Karen reids fifteen minute and
twenty nine second with John O'Keeffe ended. Eighteen seconds later,
Karen Reid called John back again, just giving him an
eighteen second break. At nine thirty five twenty two, Karen
Reid called John o'keef. The call lasted three minutes and
fifty five seconds. Nine thirty nine thirty nine seventeen, Karen
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Reid's three minutes and fifty five second call with John
O'Keeffe ended ten minutes later. Karen Reid texted John ten
seventeen thirteen. Did Karen Reid called John o'keeff at ten
seventeen thirteen for a minute in sixteen seconds? Or was
this someone else? At ten fifty three eighteen, John O'Keeffe
called Karen Reid. The call lasted fifty two minutes in
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twenty nine seconds. This is when she said she was
working from home this day. When could you work with
all these calls? Eleven forty five am. John O'Keefe ended
his ten fifty three call to Karen Reid gaslighting at
twelve thirty three pm. Text messages suggest that they'd smooth
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things over by lunchtime, and everything appeared to be okay
with Karen when she texted John, no, life can pick
you up sometimes. Please be happy with them and put
away your frustration for the rest of the day and
be so proud of yourself JJ two sixteen to three
oh four. In reality, the frustration lay with Karen read
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and by two sixteen ten her behavior had changed. We
can be which can be seen when she again referred
to around eight am, saying to John in the text,
I feel pretty shitty how this morning went down. I
know you said sorry, but it really stung, especially when
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I've tried pretty hard lately. I feel like a loser
turning around just coming back over after everything you said,
and John writes at two seventeen sixteen not sure what
else you wanted me to do. I said, I'm sorry,
and I was out of line. If you prefer to
stay home, I totally get it. So what I get
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for out of this is like, you don't want to come,
I won't miss you. If you don't want to come
out tonight, I won't miss you, Karen, because it gets
like all this communication between from Karen to John is
a burden to him. He's like, stop it, stop texting me,
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stop calling me, and she just keeps violating his boundaries
over and over and over again, even sending a photo
of himself with his father, proving that he's with his father,
and proving that once again, Karen Reid insisted that John
o'keef send pictures to prove where he was and what
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he was doing, so she could keep her eyes on
him at all times and you know, have her eyes
on her victim at all times. It's really disturbing how
this was normalized in court. I don't get. But did
she so after? You know what I'd like to ask
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here is did she jump back in bed with him
after dropping off Kelly at school? Was he in bed
having more of a leisurely day? Did she jump in
bed with him and try to start something and he
rejected her. Was that the beginning of something? Trying to
hug and kiss you this morning and you whack me
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in the face with a pillow and he's like, not
how it went down, but okay. One of my favorite
text messages from John O'Keefe that Karen read. John replied,
I'm not sure what else you want me to do? Oh,
I said. I was sorry and I was out of line.
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If you prefer to stay home, I totally get it.
Karen had then called John at two seventeen for two
minutes and twenty seconds. This call ended at two twenty
oh six. She called John at two twenty two fifty
six for one minute and seven seconds, and that ended
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at two twenty four h three and fourteen seconds later.
Karen had called John back again, but he rejected her call,
so at two twenty five eighteen, she texts him, tell
me if you're interested in someone else, can't think of
any other reason you've been like this. John replied, things
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haven't been great between us for a while. Ever considered
that Karen had called John at two twenty eight forty
and again he rejected her call. John then texted Karen
twenty three seconds later, saying kids are here, not in
the mood to talk. Karen replied, so you're not into
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it anymore, Like I'm just going to ignore that the
kids altogether. So you're not into it anymore. I'm going
to continue this argument. That's fine, but I don't want
to keep trying if you keep treating me like this,
followed by I'm trying to hug and kissy this morning
and you whack me in the face with a pillow
last night. You were basically like, yeah, what about when
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we talked about the future, So why don't you just
admit it? You're not into it so much anymore, which
John replied not how it went down, but okay, followed
by sick of always arguing and in fighting. It's been
weekly for several months now, John texts, So yeah, I'm
not as quick to jump back into being lovey dovey
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as you apparently. Karen then called John at two thirty
two forty seven, and he again rejected her call, So
Karen texted, John, can you please admit your head is
out of the game with us, to which John replied
to Karen with, oh my god, stop calling Karen then
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texted to thirty two fifty eight, then why would you
start with me this morning? Say it's John starting with
Karen starting something with John, You're setting me up to fail.
This is all Karen's text to thirty three twenty six.
You start a number of fights from your end. John
then texted Karen, I've explained it a few times already,
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not doing it again, followed by not into fighting all
the time? Correct. Karen then texted John saying if you
tell me you're interested in someone else, you'll never hear
from me again. You can have all the space in
the world. John seemingly replied with a blank message, to
which karenry replied, then stop starting with me. Say it's
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such the narciss display book. It's never anything Karen REI does,
always something John O'Keefe does. Hold on one second. I
just got to take a drink of water. Hold on, okay.
At two thirty two twenty Karen had again called John,
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and again he rejected her call. Twenty two seconds later,
he texted, I'm not answering. Stop calling. Exhausting. That's how
Innocent Fraud Watch puts the heading to this. Karen read
is exhausting, Karen replied to John saying can you please
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answer after how you treated me earlier. Karen again called
John at twelve thirty two fifty four, and again he
rejected her call, texting back eight seconds later saying, Cayley
is right here. Karen replied, you start a rager with
me out of nowhere, and then you tell me you're
sick of fighting with me, followed by I'm going to
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grab a drink in a bit At twelve thirty eight fourteen.
John liked Karen's text that she was gonna drab grab
a drink, and Karen called John, who again rejected her call.
Karen texted John ten seconds later saying can you please answer,
and John replied no. Karen, not sure why you need
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to announce that you're grabbing a drink, but have fun
seeing if you want to meet me later, Karen writes,
followed by can you please call me? John replied, have
to take them to the doctor, he has practice. Karen
texted back yeah. Five minutes. Karen called John at twelve
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thirty at twelve forty three oh one and John let
Karen ring. Karen's call ring out, which showed up as
a miscall on his phone. Karen Reid called again at
twelve forty three forty five again and John rejected her call,
and thirteen seconds later he texted at twelve forty three
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fifty eight, my father just walked in. More manipulation. Karen
Reid replied, okay, can you please call me for two minutes,
twelve seconds later with I'm there when anyone else needs me.
Karen then called John again, and again John rejected Karen's call,
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and nineteen seconds later John sent Karen a photo of
his father sitting on his couch. Karen retexted twenty five
seconds later said yes, John, you gave me utter grief
this morning. I'd like to I'd like you to call
me for a minute, like she's now the schoolmarm. I'd
like you to report to the Such a portrait of manipulation,
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Isn't it like you've treated me terribly? It's like guilt manipulation,
guilt manipulation. You're cheating, You're treating me terribly. I'm so
into this, but I've been texting another guy and kissing
another guy, and but it's you who's not into it.
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Two forty six eight. I've been trying to get over
the hump with is arguing, And now you're telling me
you're not into things and you don't want to fight weekly,
but fly off the handle with me at eight am,
like you're setting me up to fail. I've been dealing
with my own personal crisis over things I have zero
control over. I'd like to lean on you sometimes Instead
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I just hear everything I've done wrong. So I think
she's just saying personal crisis. I think this is her
illnesses that may or may not be made up. We
know that the brain tumor was just like a side
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effect for medication and not cancerous at all, and certainly
she didn't have her whole colon remove. That's a whole
nother story. Two fifty fifty six to fifty one thirteen,
Karen had called John and again John had rejected both calls.
At two fifty two thirty seven to fifty three, Karen
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again calls John, and John lets both calls, ringing out.
Karen texts John seconds later saying you seriously cannot pick
up the phone for two seconds. So Karen reidcalled John
again at two fifty eight, and again John had rejected
Karen's call, but at two fifty nine, John had called
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Karen for five minutes and eleven seconds. This call ended
at three oh four eleven, after which Karen had begun
texting John's sister in law, Aaron O'Keeffe a series of messages.
Aaron said of Karen, she had texted me while I
was waiting for the school bus. Let's listen to Aaron's
so it gets a little awkward reading all of this.
(35:36):
Let's look at Aaron's testimony. I know I have it
up here. Here we go.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
If you were what if any calls?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
So again, this is going to be the first trial.
Aaron o'keeff didn't give testimony second trial. Unfortunately. I thought
she was a pretty good witness, certainly a better witness
than her husband.
Speaker 11 (36:10):
Paula Keith, you have with miss Reid on that day
she had texted me while I was waiting for the
school bus, asking if there was any chance I was
out without Paul.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Was that a typical thing that she would text you
as far as the without Paul Parker? No, And you
indicated that you were waiting for the school bus. Correct,
And at that time, in January twenty two, you.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Had two daughters corrected, yes, correct, more.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Than the same school as far as.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
On the same bus.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
No, they were not their separate schools, So I'd say.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
One was maybe an elementary one was in middle school.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
So as far as around that time that you received
the text, would that have.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Been the younger daughter or the older daughter that you
were waiting for us?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
The younger daughter? It was after three o'clock?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And who comes home or at that time who came
home first? The younger daughter?
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Our older daughter?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And when you receive that text.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
From the defendant, what if anything did you or how
did you respond?
Speaker 11 (37:21):
I said that we I was waiting for the school bus,
and we had basketball on Friday nights.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
And the basketball on Friday nights? Was that something that
was one of your daughters or both both?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And do you.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
Recall, well, let me ask you this with regard to
your daughter's basketball at least at that time, what if
any sort of relationship did your husband have to those basketballs?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
He was the coach for both of them.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
And was that something that was sort of like a
local league? Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (37:54):
And that all of you and by all I mean yourself,
your husband, and the two girls that you all go
to both games that night?
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And you recall about what time those games.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Were six or seven.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Now, this Read reached out to you and texted you,
and then you responded as you described, What if any
further conversation did you have with miss Read on that day?
Speaker 11 (38:22):
I asked her if everything was okay, if something was up,
and she responded and said another day. I wish I
didn't talk to an O'Keefe after two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
And how did you respond to that?
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Which is weird because she's an O'Keefe. Does she think
that Aaron because she married into the families in the O'Keefe,
or does did Aaron share her problems with the o'keefes
with Karen and vice versa. I said, what happened? What's
going on?
Speaker 11 (38:57):
And they had bickered a guess about her taking Kayle
to Dunkin Donuts in the morning before.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Right, which is Karen's story. Karen's not going to say
I jumped into bed with John and after returning from
Dunkin Donuts. I mean, I'm not saying that he loved
dunkin the idea that she brought Kelly to Dunkin Donuts,
but it seems from the text message is much more
likely that she had jumped into bed with him or
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had tried to get physical with him and he didn't
he wasn't into it. And did they start fighting during
the hanging of that chandelier? And is that why he
left his ladder there in a huff? Did he leave
in a huff? And did she come to his house
at two twenty six that day that night and sleepover?
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Just some ideas. I don't know, you know, you can't know.
This is speculation, but it's speculation based on the text messages.
So this is what she's telling Aaron O'Keefe. It's all
about which is the Dunkin Donuts? It's Dunkin. I'm just
too nice to the kids. Why aren't I meaner to
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the kids? John wants me to be meaner to the kids,
not feed them sugar for breakfast or school.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And just to be clear, when you say they, you
mean John O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
And correct.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
You recall sort of how that conversation evolved or what
if anything else was said during that time.
Speaker 11 (40:39):
I just knew that they had gotten into some type
of what. I don't know if it was an argument
or there was something they bickered about her taking them
and he said that she spoiled them.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Now, as far as your conversation with Miss Reid in
regard to the weekends, what if anything to two of
you talk about As far as plans.
Speaker 11 (41:15):
I said, I was anticipating a storm, so was probably
going to hang in the neighborhood with everybody.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Now, as far as later on in that afternoon, what
if any sort of further communication did you receive from
Miss Reid that day?
Speaker 11 (41:34):
I think the last text was a picture something that
popped up in her memories of my children and Kayley
and Patrick from the cape that summer and said, this
just popped up my memories and made me smile.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Now, did you have occasion to talk with Miss Read
any further on that day of the twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
No, that was it. Okay, that's the end of that testimony.
But Karen tells Aaron, it's all about Duncan Donuts and
they're just treating the kids too too nicely, spoiling them. Karen, Okay,
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let's see where we're all right. So, so in this
is fraud, Watch ends this with some questions, and they're
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always good. These questions are always good because they always give
you a lot to think about. They're really not just
questions for Aaron o'keeith, They're really questions for the reader
to think about. What did Aaron O'Keeffe think Karen Reid
was insinuating by a comment if there was any chance
I was without Paul. Why did Aaron O'Keeffe tell Karen
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Reid they had basketball on Friday nights? How did Aaron
O'Keeffe feel about Karen Reid's statement? So I wish I
didn't talk to and O'Keeffe after two thousand and four,
in the knowledge she too was an O'Keefe. He'llp it
by marriage. Yeah, I thought the same thing. How did
Aarin O'Keeffe know John O'Keeffe and Karen Reid had bickered
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about her taking Kelly to Duncan Donuts in the morning
before school. Aaron O'Keeffe had said she just knew that
Karen Reid and John O'Keefe had gotten into some type
of what. I don't know if it was an argument.
How so Aarin O'Keeffe said they bickered about her taking them.
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What did Aaron mean about this? How did Aaron O'Keeffe
know John O'Keeffe had told Karen Reid on January twenty eighth,
that she spoiled Then what evidence did she see, if any,
that Karen Reid spoiled them? It certainly wasn't their testimony
Kley and Patrick's. They didn't feel spoiled anything. Patrick talked
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about getting the cold treatment from Karen Reid. She I
think they had an argument of her steak tips, like
she wasn't eating them with enough like joy happiness to
have them. And Caylee talked about Karen Reid running hot
(44:45):
and cold. OR'd just be like this coldness coming from
Karen Reid. Other times she'd be Okay, you just didn't
know which Karen Reid you'd get. Did Aaron O'Keefe find
it odd when Karen Reid texted her this just popped
up in my memories and made me smile, given the
fact she previously said she wish she didn't talk to
in n O'Keeffe after two thousand and four. Did Karen
Reid tell Aaron o'keeff that John O'Keeffe had spurned her
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romantic or sexual advances on the morning of the January
twenty eighth, How often, if at all, did Karen Reid
send text to Aaron O'Keeffe like her, this just popped
up in my memories and made me smile. Text Did
Karen read regularly text or call Aaron O'Keefe to complain
to her about John O'Keefe. And if Karen Reid did
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regularly text or call Aerin o'keef to complain about to
her about John, what was it that she complained about.
Did John O'Keeffe ever complain to Aaron about Karen Reid?
Did Aaron O'Keeffe meet Karen Reid for the first time
in twenty twenty on a different day to her husband
Paul O'Keeffe, or did she or Paul make a mistake
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during their twenty twenty four testimony, So they have two.
Their memories are different about meeting when they met. You
would think they would meet Karen Reid for the first
them together, but their memories are different. Take a listen
that you.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
First met Karen.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I believe it was Mother's Day, so maybe May of
twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (46:16):
Over the course, well, when was the first time did
you recall meeting the defender misrut?
Speaker 11 (46:24):
I believe it was in June of twenty twenty during.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
COVID based on sort of your understanding, when was that
in relation to when they began sort of their relationship.
Speaker 11 (46:35):
I think it was in February or March of that
same year, so.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Right around the time that the pandemic caused a sort
of general shutdown, correct.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
I think so, yes.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Now, as far as you were aware, did you know
of any sort of pre existing relationship or any time
that they had dated in the past prior to that
February March of twenty twenty.
Speaker 11 (46:55):
I learned that after the fact, So fair to say
during any sort of previous time that they may or
may not have dated, you hadn't met miss Read.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
You weren't aware of her at all?
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Correct, I had not met her.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
And do you recall sort of where you were what
the circumstances were the first time that you that you
met the defender?
Speaker 11 (47:14):
I believe we were all coming to our house. It
was either it may have been a birthday party or
Father's day, but we were out on the patio.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
I think it was June. Okay, So that that's that story.
I mean, just take that down so it's not in
my ear. So that's a little bit different than the
dunkin Donuts story. I don't know how you guys feel
(47:46):
about that. It makes a lot more sense to me.
That's a dunkin Donut story, and it goes a lot
better with the text message. I just can't imagine Karen
Reid calling Aaron o'kee. I know they were friendly, but
saying yeah, I jumped into bed with John or maybe
(48:08):
he was out of bed and she tried something and
he was not into it. But it seemed to put
Karen Reid into some kind of the rejection seemed to
I mean, that's just a little bit of the phone
communication that day. It just never stops. She's relentless and
(48:32):
completely violates any boundaries he tries to set up. But
that is what I have for today, guys. That is
the update on It makes a lot more sense, at
least in my head. I've never really bought this. I
was like what when I first heard the dunk Donuts story,
(48:53):
I was like what they thought over? What taking the
kids to dunkin Donut? Really? Really, that sounds like a
small It may have been a small squabble that day,
but that's not the That's a tiny part of it,
tiny part of it. Legion says absolutely Roberta. So I'll
(49:16):
be returning to this sometimes, but we're gonna be talking
about other things too, in this case, on this channel
very soon. So please hit the thumbs up on your
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(49:37):
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hopefully tomorrow at six. Have a great night, everybody, Thanks
for listening.
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