The Real Story Behind Karen Read & John O_Keefe's Fight in Aruba!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just to be clear, you didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We know who did it, Steve, we know, and we
know who spearheaded this cover up.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
You all know if John was beaten up and attacked
in that house.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Who did it?

Speaker 5 (00:12):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (00:13):
We don't know, We don't know, and it's not for
us to know.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Somebody other than Karen, somebody other than Karen is responsible
for that, for the killing of John.

Speaker 6 (00:33):
You are listening to the ROBERTA.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
From New York City.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
ROBERTA.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Glass is now on the record.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh right, I am back from my travelings. So good
to see everybody. I missed everybody. Hello Maestro, Hello Melanie. No,
I can't, Doris, because I didn't see it. I've been

(01:29):
I just got back into the city today. I missed it.
I've been taking some time off also scheduling some stuff.
We have some interesting things coming up even this week,
so stay tuned. Hello Autry Tater, thank you for moderating.

(01:51):
Hello second beach gal. So what I heard was it
was very short, Doris. I'm talking about Charlie Kirk shooters
hearing today and that he wasn't even on camera, didn't

(02:14):
even make an appearance. That's what I've heard about it,
but I haven't seen it myself. I'm just curious whose
paying is his salary. But let's stay on topic. Topic
for today is Karen Reid and leading up to her

(02:35):
murder of John O'Keefe, what was going on in the relationship.
And we've gotten some insight from my interview with John
O'Keeffe's friend from childhood till when he was murdered by

(02:59):
Karen Ree that Karen Reid that last Christmas Eve, So
that's Christmas Eve twoenty and twenty one, that Karen Reid
was isolating John O'Keefe from his friends. And I don't

(03:24):
know how many of you remember this story, but let
me just share it, but we have some jaw dropping
revelations concerning the that Christmas. Stay tuned, So this is
just an appetizer. Stay tuned, guys, because you're gonna want

(03:46):
to hear. You're gonna want to hear what I have
in store, and we're going to return to it in
another episode. It is a jaw dropper. Okay, here is
this ye what happened on the last Christmas? What happened there?
Why didn't you guys celebrate Christmas Eve together.

Speaker 7 (04:07):
So this was deep into COVID. This is like eighteen
months in the COVID, so most people had kind of
found the level footage with the virus.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
So Brendan kin this kind of this short kind of
jumps in a little too early, but to give you
some background, Brendan Kane along with his wife, so this
is John O'Keeffe's friend from his childhood, along with his wife.
With Brendan's wife and their daughter would spend Christmas Eve

(04:42):
with John O'Keeffe and his family and his niece and
nephew who John O'Keeffe was a guardian for Kley and Patrick.
But the last Christmas of John O'Keeffe's life, Brendan Cain
was disinvited. And here's the story behind it.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Take a listen, Iris.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
But we were set to go over there as we
had the past four or five years, and I got
a call from Johnny but a couple too made two
three days before and he said his exact words were, Hey,
I got a little problem. There's some concern about COVID
and it's going to be immediate family.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Only. I was like, oh, seriously, okay, all right, didn't
didn't know.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
And the irony of that the story was that at
the time Johnny related to me, he said it was
actually Paul's wife who had the issue with immediate family.
Only had Johnny never murdered, I never would have found
this out. But since it came to light after his
his killing, it turns out that it was not it

(05:47):
was not Paul's wife heron that had any problem with COVID.
She was one of the least the people that was
least concerned about COVID. It was Karen, and you know,
we had just been out with them. And you know,
the way I justify it is is Johnny wanted to
kind of protect our view of Karen, and if we
said it was Karen that had the issue, maybe our
opinion would change a little bit. But the key to

(06:09):
that and the reason why it hits home is that
I can distinctly remember my daughter crying for you know,
ten fifteen minutes that we're never gonna be able to
go to Johnny's again after he died. We can never
go back over here on Christmas Eve. And and for
the for that, you know, year, until I figured it out,
I was I was blaming Aaron and it was it

(06:30):
was Karen the whole time. So now in hindsight, you
look at, you know, with all the other behavior, and
it's just additional red flags that I missed.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, So Karen read disinvites to just recap there, disinvites,
make sure that Brendan Kane, his wife, and his child
are not there, and that the only ones that are
there on for that Christmas Eve celebration or get together

(07:08):
whatever you'd like to call it, is John o'ke John
O'Keefe's family and Karen Reid's family, and Karen Reid had
taken hosting duties over taking totally taken over hosting duties.
I'll have more to say on it in a future episode,

(07:29):
but we do know that on Christmas Day twoenty twenty one,
Karen Reid spent Christmas Day alone in Mansfield. So things
were not I think we can infer from that that

(07:50):
things were not the rosie picture that Karen Reid and
her lawyers painted of her relationship with John O'Keefe, even
going back further. And then they went to Aruba. So

(08:12):
after this, after Karen Reid spends Christmas Eve at Christmas alone, sorry,
Christmas alone, then they take five days later, they're taking
a trip to Aruba together, and we'll listen to again.

(08:33):
We're going to revisit that.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Again.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
But Karen Reid did not care about COVID. She had
been out in November. This is the first time and
the only time Brendan Kane met Karen Reid due to COVID.
They went to a hockey game together. So Brendan Kane,

(08:58):
Karen Reid, John O'Keeffe all went to a hockey game together,
and that's where she drank just pretty much continuously from
the afternoon into the ten thirty at night. And he

(09:18):
said she was just it was. It was you could
not tell at all that she had any drinks. And
he called her a professional drinker, which is what I've
been saying all along. When people say she was so
drunk or she was so jealous, I don't believe she

(09:40):
was a jealous person. But I do believe that she
accused John O'Keefe of jealousy to exert power and control.
Once you accuse someone of wrongdoing, you're in a power
position and they're on the back foot on the defensive.
And that's a technique that Karen Reid used. Your cheating,

(10:02):
you're cheating on someone, You're you can hear the messages
after she reversed into him, you're effing someone else. And
in Aruba she accused John O'Keefe of kissing Marietta Sullivan,
the younger. The Sullivan's sisters will listen to their testimony.

(10:27):
But it's a great way by creating these kinds of scenes.
It's a great way to keep John O'Keefe's friends away
from him. It's a great way to isolate him. If
you create enough of these scenes, the friends won't want

(10:48):
to come around. And then you can keep exert power
and control over John O'Keefe all to your all to yourself,
without anyone weakening your position saying what are you doing
with this woman? You can hear in Laura Sullivan's testimony

(11:09):
that John O'Keefe told Laura Sullivan she's crazy. I don't
believe Karen Reid is crazy, just believe she has a
dark personality. Let's revisit Laura Sullivan's testimony. So this gives
us some idea. Knowing that she spent Christmas alone, it

(11:32):
was a hard candy Christmas that year for Karen Reid.
Twenty twenty one, it gives the Aruba context. So now
they're going to Aruba, a trip that they booked in
the summer. But things have totally deteriorated, I mean due

(11:54):
to Karen Reid's coercive control over John. And this is
what we Let's take those into Laura Sullivan and what
she says about this urb a trip. So Laura Sullivan

(12:24):
was a partner of John's friend in the Actually let's
let's start from the beginning in the force. Who took
his own life?

Speaker 6 (12:51):
All right, mister allie, whenever you're ready mm hm.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
And John O'Keefe was the godfather to her baby.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'll good afternoon' good afternoon. Did you uh please state
your name and spell your last name?

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Laura Sullivan s U L L I V A N.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
And uh where do you live there?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (13:16):
Pembroke, Massachusetts? And uh how long have you lived in
pember Almost six years?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
And uh, if anyone do you live in Pembroke?

Speaker 7 (13:25):
I have?

Speaker 9 (13:26):
I live with my boyfriend and our three children, two
step children that are with us half the time, and
then my son.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Ben and your son? Uh how old was.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
I'm sorry ten? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And your step children?

Speaker 6 (13:45):
How old are there fifteen and thirteen.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Now do you work, man?

Speaker 6 (13:51):
I do?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
What do you do for that?

Speaker 6 (13:53):
I work in human resources?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
How long have you been doing that?

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Just over six years?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
And if I could turn your attention to New Year's
Eve of twenty twenty one into New Year's Day twenty
twenty two, do you recall that time frame?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I do, and recall where you work.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
I was in Aruba.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
And if you could.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Explain to the jury sort of how how often was
that a regular trip that you did around that time
of year.

Speaker 9 (14:23):
Yeah, we've been doing a trip like around that time
for I'd say five or six years. This will be
our our sixth year, I believe.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And over the course of those five or six years
that you've done that. When you say sort of we
how did that start? And how has that expanded?

Speaker 10 (14:50):
It?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Though?

Speaker 9 (14:51):
So we've been going we I mean, Josh and I
have been going to Aruba for years. In twenty two anyone,
post COVID, we decided to bring our children. We had
never gone with them before, and since it was post COVID,
a lot of people are kind of stir crazy, and

(15:12):
a group of our friends jumped on board, and so
we went from just the five of us going to
approximately sixty people.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And as far as the yourself and or the other people,
how you know, is this all at one.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Facility or how are.

Speaker 11 (15:31):
So we.

Speaker 9 (15:33):
All stayed at the Renaissance, which is in downtown, and
we'd buy time shares, So it was a timeshare resort
where we would purchase weeks that people owned.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So Karen Reid and John O'Keefe would not have been
that stir crazy because Karen Reid had booked a trip
where they went to Florida to visit Karen Reid's friend
Ingrid and Bill Curtis, and they also visited and they

(16:06):
took the Kley and Patrick the kids and they went
to Disney World. So all it's curious to see how
the way that that trip was used by Karen Reid.

(16:29):
Let me see if I can show you Innocence Fraud
Watches blog on this. So this would be so April
twenty twenty one, so Florida was much more open than
Massachusetts was as far as COVID rules and masking, et cetera.
And it was during the oh Say she wrote. Innocent

(16:55):
FraudWatch writes, Karen Reid appears to have organized a trip
to Florida for herself. John O'Keeffe and his niece and
nephew were COVID restrictions at the time appeared to be
more relaxed compared to Massachusetts. It was during this time
April twenty twenty one trip that Karen introduced John and
the children to her friend John Silvera. John and Karen

(17:19):
apparently grew up together and he works as an offshore
on He works offshore on an oil tanker. While in Florida,
they also visit Disney World in Orlando, and it was
during this trip that Karen appears to have introduced John
to who her best friends, Ingrid and Bill Curtis. So
these pictures of John and Bill Curtis were used as

(17:43):
evidence that John's friends were siding with Karen and back
in Karen, when in fact, Bill Curtis was always Karen's
friends and John O'Keeffe had just met him on this
trip to Florida. So you can see they're Bill Curtis,
John o'keef there, and there's John Silvera, who donated quite

(18:06):
a bit of money and was the person. Another person
in addition to Natalie burnschneud Er Mawiki who passed messages
from Karen to Aiden Turtle Boy Karney helping Karen and

(18:27):
direct how Aiden Carney should harass the witnesses in this case.
In twenty twenty five, Silvera appeared in an entertainment TV
show by Fox Nation headed Karen read Killer or Convenient Outsider.
I might watch that on kick soon. I'll let you

(18:48):
know when I do that. During his performance, John Falseley
stated that Karen went straight out of Bentley and went
right to work for Fidelity. In reality, after graduating Bentley
College in two thousand and three, Karen had worked for
Brown Brothers Harriman, followed by Sinsada Technologies. So there's this

(19:09):
period where Karen Reid's working in New York City and
she starts. She arrives in New York City in August
twenty twenty one, which means just after her arrival, she
would have been in New York City for nine to eleven.
And that's a period that she never talks about why

(19:32):
she was in New York not Boston, in what she
was doing at Brown Brothers Harriman or Sinsada Technologies, it's
always that she worked for Fideli right off the bat.
So there's a reason there's something Karen Reid I would
think wouldn't want you to know about her time working

(19:56):
at Brown Brothers Harriman in Cinsada Technology.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
O Peace Gonza.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
On one second, let me see if I can. So
that's just a little background. Let's get back to her
trip to Aruba. Their trip to Aruba. But they wouldn't
have been so crazy much at all. They'd just they'd
just been out on a vacation in April.

Speaker 9 (20:26):
And so if they weren't going for that year, we
would buy a week so we were able to get
I think it was something, you know, close to twenty rooms.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
For all of us to go for the same week.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And as far as the planning in regard to that
in particular, when when did that planning process begin?

Speaker 9 (20:45):
It starts approximately a year in advance because the rooms
go on sale almost immediately because people want to get
rid of them. So I would say it was probably
around January of twenty twenty one that we booked our
room for that year.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And once you had both your room.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
As far as the family and friends group that you
were talking about, how was that sort of put out
to them?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Like? Through what made it?

Speaker 9 (21:10):
We would well, I would post on Facebook. More rooms
are available for a Ruba if anybody was interested in going,
So the timeshare owners would reach out to me directly,
is there anybody else who would want to go? And
we would look for any interested either friends or what
have you, to join our trip.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
And so, at some point in time over the summer
of twenty twenty one, in July or August or so,
was there someone who.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Friend of doors that reached out in regard to possibly
coming on the trip.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
Yeah, I received a text message from John O'Keeffe interested
in learning more information about our trip.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And if you could ascribe to the jury sort of
how did you know what? Donald?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So this makes me think Karen saw this and got
John to call me, because I guess John was on
Facebook too, But according to Natalie Burns down her wiki,
I'm just this is obviously I wouldn't know who saw it.
Karen Reid studies Facebook like no other, and she had

(22:26):
blocked John O'Keefe over a year before. So on that
last day where they're text messaging before she reversed into him,
it speeds of up to twenty four miles an hour
with her foot seventy five down on the gas pedal

(22:47):
John O'Keefe. Karen Reid is asking John O'Keefe to accept
her friend request and John o'ka said, you blocked me
more than a year ago.

Speaker 9 (23:03):
I met John in May of twenty thirteen. I met
him at a bar in South Boston with uh, he
was with pat Rogers at the time. Post meeting John,
I started dating Pat and.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
My son's father is pat Rogers.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
And stopping there.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
So as far as as John o'keeithen and your son's
father pat Rogers, did you know where did you come
to know sort of what they did for a living?

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah? They were both Boston Police officers, and did you
know sort.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Of what the relationship was beyond co workers of mister
o'keith and was yet?

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Uh, they were best friends.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So at some point following that meeting in twenty thirteen,
you begin to date with Rogers.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And what happened?

Speaker 9 (24:04):
So in July of twenty thirteen, I became pregnant and
in November twenty thirteen packmuth.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
And Okay, Yeah, So there are text messages between Karen
Raid and Aiden Corney where Karen Reraid is referring to
Lauras Sullivan as a pig and saying she's grossly overweight.

(24:45):
I mean, she's a very attractive woman. So I would
think there would be some you know, just very cruel, cruel, cruel,
cruel words against Laura Sullivan. She said she's not friendly.

(25:05):
She testified against me. Is the essence of the text
message Karen read sent Aid and Carney concerning Laura Sullivan.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Following that, how would you describe sort of the relationship
with mister keeper the ball.

Speaker 12 (25:24):
Good?

Speaker 9 (25:26):
So in November twenty thirteen, I was on a work
trip and I had not had the best conversation with Pat.
It was kind of it just didn't feel right. And

(25:48):
I called John and said, you need to go find him.
I can't get a hold of him. He won't answer
his phone. And so John left his nephew's birthday party
and called by to people on the way, and ultimately
Pat was found in the basement of his house and

(26:11):
John was there immediately following. But he was the one
that found people to go find Pat. Immediately following that,
John never really left my side, you know, as a
support system.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
And at some point following that you had your time.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and before.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Or after that, at some point did you have a
conversation with mister Keith in regard to yourself.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
It was it was his birthday, December of twenty thirteen,
and we went to the Playwright which is where we
had we had all met, and I gave him a
card and I.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
Asked him to be Ben's godfather and he said yes.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
And in relation to your son, was mister O'Keefe, Was
John and involved in your son's life?

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Yes, very much so. He was every birthday, Christmas, he was.
He was always in contact. He was the first person
in my delivery room after I gave birth.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
He was.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
He was a constant. He was a connection to Pat
and always making sure that you know, Ben was taken
care of in the sense of being there to tell
stories or or what have you, from his relationship with Pat.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's interesting because Brendan Kane says that the first person
in his home after his daughter was born was John o'cafe.
So here she says he's was the first person in
their hospital room. What a special waet. It just shows
you how much trust, how much they all trusted John
O'Keefe these really intimate times, and that's a particularly vulnerable

(28:12):
time too for a woman. After a baby is born
in a hospital room, and.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Through sort of his relationship with you and your son,
mister keep also becoming familiar.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
With your family as well.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And in regard to your family, was there some kind
of term or.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
How would they report to the godfather.

Speaker 13 (28:37):
He was?

Speaker 6 (28:38):
He was called the godfather to almost everybody.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Now, ma'am, if I can turn your attention back to
that summer of twenty twenty one and you receive a
text from mister o'keith.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Is that right and so sorry, you do have to
say yes or no? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yes, After you received that text, did you reach out to.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
Mister Yes, I gave him a call because I was excited.
I was immediately excited. I gave him a call explained
to him that we had a group of rooms we
were going with. I don't even know the number at
that time that had, you know, signed up to go,
but it was a lot of kids. It was all
of our friends, and that they would have a great time.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
And from that, did he give you any sense or
say anything about who from from?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Was it just himself or like who was coming along?

Speaker 9 (29:31):
He had mentioned that it would be the kids, and
he said Karen would be joining him as well.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And at that point, Wow, at some points such went
that you knew him to.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Be referring to Karen direct.

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yes, at that point, had.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
You met Karen? Did you know that?

Speaker 6 (29:49):
I had not.

Speaker 9 (29:49):
I knew that they were dating, but I didn't. I
had never met Karen though.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
And in addition to himself, it would be mister o'keith,
let's read, the defendant.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
And his n nephew Patrick.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Correct, Yes, and if you know in.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Relation to your son as far as his mister, that happened.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
Where are the uh, they are like three three years apart.
Three yeah, three years apart.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Now, speaking of reaching out, if you know, we've just
discovered this very highly significant fact that Karen Reid spent
Christmas alone. Last Christmas, John O'Keefe was alive, and it

(30:47):
really changes the fabricated narrative. If Laura Sullivan Marietta Sullivan,
Karen Read's sister Elizabeth, would like to reach out and
talk to me behind the scenes and fill in some
of the information that's not in the public domain, please

(31:15):
reach out and write to me at ROBERTA. Glass twenty
three at gmail dot com. Also Victoria Crisp too, So
Victoria Chris was the woman who took Karen Read as
her plus one to John O'Keeffe's sister's birthday, Christen's birthday party.

(31:40):
That's where they first met Victoria Crisp. We would like
to reach out Berta Glass twenty three at gmail dot com.
There's so much that of this story that has not
been put in the public domain.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
When you have that phone conversation with mister Keith, what
if any interest does the show as far as going.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Through after, you know, asking a couple of questions.

Speaker 9 (32:07):
He I could hear Karen in the background, and he
put Karen on the phone and that was the first
time I had spoken to her. He basically said, he
just talked to her. So if you can answer her questions,
can you.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Recall what kind of lices they were or what it
was about.

Speaker 9 (32:23):
She was interested in the the the room set up,
how many people could sleep in a room, and how
the room.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Is set up.

Speaker 9 (32:31):
You have a king sized bedroom and then there's a
kitchen area, and then there's a living room that has
a pull out couch, and they explained that you could
it's a four person occupancy room and you could get
a roll away bed as well.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
And following that conversation, when was the next time, if
at all, that you had.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
In a conversations with miss g enormous Read in regard
to the room.

Speaker 9 (33:02):
So during that conversation, Karen mentioned that she needed her
own bathroom and she needed her own space, and that
she wanted two rooms. And so I put them in
contact with a woman that I knew had two rooms
for them to you know, figure that piece out. I

(33:23):
don't handle any of that. I put people in contact
with whoever owns the rooms.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
I put them in.

Speaker 9 (33:29):
Contact with with the woman who had the two rooms,
and I know that they had, you know, paid her
relatively quickly. I mentioned to John that the rooms. I
couldn't promise that the rooms would be next to each other,
and they weren't. They were on opposite sides of the hotel,

(33:50):
but they.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So another highly significant detail that Karen Read wanted her
own room away from John O'Keefe in this So once again,
this trip to Aruba, they left on December thirtieth, so

(34:15):
it was over the New Years. And when Karen Reid
got back from Aruba a week later, she was texting
Brian Higgins, Hey, it's the weed whacker. So she's already
looking a week later after she gets back from Aruba,

(34:40):
she's already looking to move on to a different relationship.
So if John, Karen and the children flew back from
Aruba on the fifth of January, it was only a
week later. So she texted Brian Higgins on the twelfth
of January. But we know they also left that may

(35:04):
there may be a few days I may be a
few days off. We know that they left early from
this trip with the excuse that they wanted to make
sure the kids got back to school. Yeah, it's not
obviously they made it made a trip to Aruba that

(35:26):
I would think would accommodate the kids school schedule, but
that was the excuse. They came into rooms where John
O'Keefe gave and.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
When you say opposite side of the hotel, where you
know of where those rooms were in relations to each
other and who stayed in.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
So the the the pool and lobby is in the center,
and then the hotel comes like this, and there are
pool walkout rooms on the first floor of each and
Karen and John were on this side and the kids
were on this side, and they both had walkout rooms and.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
As far as sort of front door to front door,
and you know about how far away they were from
each other.

Speaker 9 (36:11):
I would say mean steps wise, maybe two hundred, but
I mean the hotel is is. It's small enough, but
it was separated by a lobby, the front entrance, the
outside entrance.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Now, with regard to your rival, when when was it
that you arrived in Roo?

Speaker 9 (36:40):
So the timeshare run the timeshare rooms run Friday to Friday,
So we were booked for the thirty first through the seventh.
Josh's birthday is December thirtieth, so we went down as
a family a day early, and we had friends who
were already down there since Christmas. John's timeshare room woman

(37:03):
reached out and said, hey, we're leaving early if you
want to arrive early. So the him, Karen and the
kids actually came down on the thirtieth as well. They
were on the flight following us, and then the rest
of the sixtyish people, however many were there, showed up

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on the thirty first, And so from.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
That first day that you arrived there, as far as
when you got there on the thirtieth, when was the
first time that you saw John.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Or when was the first time that you saw.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Anyone from that group it was.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
We were at the pool, so it was not long
after they had landed. He texted me and said we're here,
and Ben and I jumped out of the pool and
went to the lobby to see him. And then on
the way back from the lobby, I saw somebody banging
on the window the left hand side of the rooms

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and I didn't know who it was, and then I
saw Kaylee and I was like, oh, well, that must
be Karen.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
And again, was this the first time that you had
seen Karen face to face.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Or or met Miss Read?

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yes, And just for clarity.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Purposes as far as Miss Read is concerned, you see
you're in the courtroom today.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Did you just identify as to where she's seated or
an article of clothing?

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Miss She's right there, she's.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
As a record of identification of the Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Now, after you see this person bang on the window,
when you recognized Caylee, what what happened?

Speaker 9 (38:35):
She came out, She gave me a big hug, said
it's nice to meet you. I've heard so much about you.
I recognized you from pictures.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And following along from there, what happened then? As far
as as far as the day was conned.

Speaker 9 (38:51):
So as they mentioned it was Josh's birthday, we had
already made plans to go out for dinner. Our friends,
who had been there since Christmas, have a seventeen year
old daughter who watched our children, so we could go
out for dinner. I mentioned it to John. I said,
you know, we'll just add you to the reservation. You
can join us for dinner. The kids can stay with Chloe,

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and they said absolutely, So we all went.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Out for dinner that evening to scream an eagle.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And it's try adiga. Where's that in relation to the
hotel room?

Speaker 9 (39:26):
It's probably about a fifteen ish minut cab ride.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And when you arrived there, and what if anything you
recall about sort of the dinner or how it went.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
So we were sitting outside on the patio.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
It was.

Speaker 9 (39:45):
Karen, myself, our friend Laura. Across from Laura was her
husband Dave. Josh was in front of me, and John
was in front of Karen.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And what if anything specifically recall about dinner?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (40:03):
So we.

Speaker 9 (40:05):
The waiter came over, he ordered, he started taking drink orders.
Karen placed her order, I placed mine, Laura placed hers
Dave placed his, and then Josh ordered a dirty martini
with blue cheese stuffed olives.

Speaker 11 (40:22):
I'll allow it.

Speaker 14 (40:23):
I don't know where it's going, and you can move
to strike if it unless you wanted to see me,
mister Unetti.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Okay, so solid and turning back to at the restaurants
and drinks that order.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
People have what they have. And at the end of
the evening, as far.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
As what the hell was that, David Nannetti did not
want any any mention of Josh's drink. Karen Reid made
probably some rude comment about his dirty martin in his

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blue cheese stuffed olives, and Canoni agreed.

Speaker 13 (41:08):
And so.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You come back and Lolly's like, well they had what
they had, Karen had, we all have what you had.
Let's not talk about that dirty martini with the blue
cheese stuffed olives. I mean, but look at the way

(41:34):
Canoni just catered to the defense. If you want to
meet me in sidebar, let me hear every issue you
have with this small, small story, the small piece of evidence.

Speaker 9 (41:49):
And what if anything you recall about Karen had paid
the bill prior to us receiving it.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yes, I actually if you were anyone happened.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
The entire table was.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
Kind of taken aback, you know, said it wasn't necessary.
Wanted to venmo or or give cash or something along
those lines, and she declined, saying that she she was
honored to be there and wanted to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
So this is one of Karen Reid's favorite things to do,
is to make Grando's financial gestures. It's the way to
have people indebted to her exert power control. Patricia Burns
asked ROBERTA, can we end with the dog expert song?

(42:51):
I would say, let's not end with it. Let's take
a break and listen to it now for this where
Patricia Burns, I'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Bored.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Then retired from myself into.

Speaker 15 (43:05):
A high profile trial thresty four.

Speaker 16 (43:08):
Attentions and admiration.

Speaker 15 (43:12):
I am the best expert in.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
The entire nation.

Speaker 15 (43:17):
Get paid to live by the hour, making stuff up.
It's my superpower.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
I see doll.

Speaker 16 (43:23):
Bites, I see doll bite Just tell me and I'll
tell you that doll bites.

Speaker 15 (43:38):
Limp to the stand decked out in polyester, lay my
eyes on the course.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
And let them fester.

Speaker 10 (43:49):
Hole puncture wounds in the shirt.

Speaker 15 (43:53):
Testify to a great deal.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Certain hell, I'll say anything.

Speaker 15 (44:00):
It's the prosecutions the burden. I'm the best effort that's
ever been.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Who else can.

Speaker 16 (44:07):
Testified to a dog bite by a teen ie.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
Without a jew?

Speaker 15 (44:14):
No need ever did say my claim.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
There's a lot of house.

Speaker 15 (44:19):
In the world. One's got to be blamed. I'll do anything,
get read and get.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
A killers Amy extra.

Speaker 15 (44:30):
I'll blame Gourvillas.

Speaker 16 (44:56):
I'm the expert that's ever been. It's just a bad
fool of dog by via cana without.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh remember the time when we had hoped that the
Okay family would get justice. Oh? Every time I see
justice for John O'Keefe, it makes me sad. This is
really Karen Reid. I do not believe she's swifty million
dollars in debt. I don't believe she's in debt at all.

(46:03):
Tater Bug, glad her back, Roberta. I think she's made
a fortune on her on with blood money on this crime.
So thank you, Tator. Back to Marietta, to Laura Sullivant,

(46:24):
excuse me, you will get to Marietta Sullivan's testimony to
today testimony about Aruba.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Turning your attention to the following day.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
What if anything you recall about the next day being
that would have been I'm sorry thirty first.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yes, So turn your attention to the cemetery first twenty
twenty one, What if anything you recall about in specific
regard to mister Keith.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
John was very vocal on the thirtieth on how he
just wanted to sit in the pool and watch the
Alabama game, and.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
He was a pretty big Alabama fan. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And so over the course of that day, what if
any interactions did you have with either the starting the adminster,
What if any interactions did you have with him?

Speaker 6 (47:26):
I saw him in the pool.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
So my understanding is why John O'Keefe rooted for Alabama
was that the Patriots weren't all that great when he
was growing up, so he picked Alabama. But I would
love to know exactly why he picked Alabama. There had
to be more than Alabama as a winning team.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I know he was.

Speaker 9 (47:52):
He was sitting at the pool bar watching the game
with Josh.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
I saw the kids. I recall seeing Karen.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
I don't remember if we spoke or not, but it
was mostly in the pool because we were waiting for
the rest of our friends to show up.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Now the most.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Really, that was the reason given, Theater, I don't know,
we can listen to it. It had been notoriously winning.
I'm not a football watcher, you can tell, Taylor, but

(48:49):
that was the reason given. I don't know, they were losing,
so he went to college sports. I guess, Really, are
there lots of Alabama fans not from Bama for you

(49:10):
for keeping up with it? Tater? Can you imagine calling
Laura Sullivan a pig like Karen Reid did? That pig
is in this picture? That pig is, you know, standing
in front of my beach bag. She goes, they're a pig.
Lovely woman. I mean, I really liked her from this testimony.

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I don't know how everyone else is feeling.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I do. And how many siblings do?

Speaker 6 (49:38):
I have two?

Speaker 9 (49:40):
And I have a younger brother and a younger sister.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And with reference to your younger.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
Sister, what's her name Marietta?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
And how much younger than you?

Speaker 6 (49:52):
She's ten years younger than me?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
And was Marietta Sullivan? Was she coming in on that
day as well? She was? And you're called about what
kind of was that she arrived or that she came claim.

Speaker 9 (50:05):
It's tough to remember, but I want to say everybody
showed up on one of the first or second flights
that came out of Boston, so I'd say she was
there by one pm.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And if you recall, what if any plans were there
as far as do.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I just think that I think that anybody who
testified against her. She makes it clear in the next
text that Laura Sullivan testified against her was going to
be public enemy number one. So Jen McCabe, Carrie Roberts
were all disparaged and gone after Laura Sullivan, Marietta Sullivan,

(50:44):
anyone who didn't join her innocent fraud campaign was public
enemy number one. And they will disparage your looks, go
after you, harass you. I mean, Jim McCabe was voted
best looking in high school and they constantly go after

(51:08):
her looks.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And on that evening news.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
So what we tend to do is.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
Book reservations and if people are interested in joining, they
can join us. And that night we had approximately forty
people going to have dinner on the beach at Mumba
Beach around I want to say it was like seven o'clock.
We had our reservations for.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
And the mister Case and theven and Miss Reid joined
you for dinner Avenue They did not know. Yeah, I
mean things that back just for a moment. As far
as Miss Reid was concerned, prior to your Rye Won Rubert,
did you have her phone.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Number or had your contact? Did you have any way
of contact dinner?

Speaker 6 (51:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
And when was it that you got miss reads?

Speaker 9 (51:55):
John had added her and I and Chloe to a
group text the night that we had gone out for
dinner to make sure that we could all communicate with
Chloe to make sure the kids were okay.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So we got her phone number in relation to watching kids.
As far as Patrick Keley and your children and everybody
else cracks.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Now, if you recall you go out to dinner and
you think the reservation was about seven or so, do
you recall about what time was that you got back
to the hotel.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
I want to say it was around nine thirty ten
o'clock by the time my group got back. I know
there was a couple of different seatings, so we probably
got back around like nine thirty ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
And as far as.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Your group was concerned, your sister Marietta, was she within
your group that went out to dinner.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yes, and beyond.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Your younger sister Marietta, which did you have other sort
of media family with you.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
On this trip as well?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
My mother was with us as well.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
And with regard to your sister Marietta and your mother,
what if anything was there as far as where were
each of them and.

Speaker 9 (52:58):
Staying so they had their they had their own room.
I think it was a couple away from us on
the fifth floor.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Is that the top floor?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
As far as the hotels, yes, Now, once you arrived
back to dinner, where where was you when your group went?

Speaker 9 (53:16):
We go to the pool area the kids can swim.
We ring in the New Year at the pool bar,
watching it on the on the TVs and then watching
the fireworks.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Now, when you came back to the hotel and you
went at some point to the pool area, your sister
an area.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
That you know where she went.

Speaker 9 (53:35):
She actually when we got back from dinner, she went
up to her room with my mom and essentially put
my mom to bed.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
She didn't want to be up anymore, but she went
to go change as well.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Now, when you came down to the pool area, as
far as mister will Keith and or miss Reid was concerned.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Did you see them in that area?

Speaker 9 (53:57):
I saw John, I want to say around ten ten
thirty ish. I don't know the exact time, it was
definitely before midnight.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And where in relation to the hotel divisum.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
He was standing behind me at the pool bar.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And at some point, at some point does her sister
come out to the pool area after putting your mother?

Speaker 9 (54:24):
Yeah, so right before I saw John at the pool bar,
I saw my sister. She came out and she was
visibly upset, and your honor in regard.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
To get you the instruction that you would request about this.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
Maybe all right, thank you.

Speaker 13 (54:41):
So.

Speaker 14 (54:41):
Jurys, you're about to hear testimony about certain conduct or
behavior allegedly committed by Ms Reid. Be mindful that the
defendant is not charged with committing any crimes other than
those charges within the indictments. The witnesses testimony may not,
and indeed must not, be concer that are by you
as any evidence that the defendant has a bad character

(55:04):
or as evidence that she has a propensity to commit
the crimes with which she has been charged. You may
not take the defendant's prior acts as a substitute for
proof that the defendant committed the crimes charged here, But
you may consider the act solely on the limited issue
of the state of mind of the defendant and the

(55:24):
nature of her relationship with John O'Keeffe as it might
go to motive or intent. You may not consider this
evidence for any other purpose. Specifically, you may not use
it to conclude that if the defendant committed the act
or acts, that she must also have committed the offenses
with which she's charged. You can only use the evidence

(55:45):
for the limited purpose of how it goes to the
defendant's state of mind, the nature of her relationship with
John O'Keeffe as it may go to motive, and just
for the record's mind.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
You only can use this to motive, like anyone would
use this kind of evidence to a specific evidence of
that she ran over him with her car and left
him to die in a blizzard. These are the kind

(56:17):
of ways that defense attorneys have changed our dressice system
getting these kind of things read. They're completely unnecessary and
ridiculous if you have someone as stupid that using this
kind of evidence as proof of that she hit him.

(56:40):
But it does. You know, when you're talking about motive,
you have to look at but you can look at it,
as you know, evidence of a coursively controlling relationship, and
partners who abuse when uh you abuse, often end up

(57:08):
murdering their partner. The end, the end end of the
road for abuse of relationship is murder. Doesn't always get
that far. If you look at O. J. Simpson, same thing,
miss stalking her, beating her. This was much more psychological

(57:34):
abuse that's at least been put into the public domain.

Speaker 14 (57:39):
My findings are the same that I made at sidebar previously.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
Go ahead, mister Allia.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Thanks now. With regard to at some point you two
comes out to the pool area where you were, Is
that right?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
And do you know where mister aint, I do not know.
And when your sister comes up to the Poolaria.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (58:03):
She said, Yeah, that's sustained. I thought you were doing
something else.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
When your sister comes out to the pool area, how
would you describe her demeanor when she comes out?

Speaker 6 (58:17):
No, Ala, she was frustrated.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
And at some point did you have a conversation, without
regard to what the conversation was, at some point, did
you have a conversation with her about something.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
That had just happened.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Yes, Now following that conversation with your sister. At some
point subsequent to that, mister O'Keefe come back out to.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
The pool a.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
After I spoke with her. Yes, he came out to
the pool area.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
And you know about how long a period of time
it was between the time that your sister came out
to the pool era and.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Mister o'keith came out with me.

Speaker 9 (58:55):
I mean, I would say approximately twenty minutes, but I
don't I don't really know exact timing.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Now, when mister came back out, did you have any
conversations with him?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I did, and so I can ascribe that conversation with all.

Speaker 14 (59:10):
Right, Is this the instruction that you were talking about
instead of the other one?

Speaker 6 (59:13):
All right, so we'll or as I have another instruction
for you.

Speaker 14 (59:17):
So you're about to hear evidence of statements made by
John O'Keeffe.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Is that accurate, now, miss to Lelly?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 14 (59:25):
These statements are being admitted only for a limited purpose
of establishing John O'Keeffe's state of mind. You're not to
consider this testimony is proof that the defendant has a
bad character or propensity to commit crimes. The testimony of
witnesses recounting conversations with mister O'Keeffe can only be used
as they go to the defendant's motive or intent on

(59:46):
January twenty eighth or twenty ninth, and only if you
find that the defendant was aware of mister O'Keeffe's state
of mind at the time of the crime and would
be likely to respond to it.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
There need not be.

Speaker 14 (59:58):
Direct evidence that the defendant learned of mister o'keeff's state
of mind, so long as you reasonably can infer from
the evidence that she did learn of it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Okay, yes, ye.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Tell me Sullivan. If I could take you back again,
mister Keith comes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Out and you have a conversation with him, can you
describe to the jury what that conversation was.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
I turned around and I was pretty shocked to see him.
I said, what's going on? And he said nothing. I said,
did Edit and Karen have words? And he said, I
don't know. And I said, well, that's not what Eda said.
And I asked him if everything was okay, And at.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
That time his his phone was lighting up and it
was it looked like call texts, calls and texts, and
it said Karen on his phone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
After you make that observation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
So it's interesting that John to respond I don't know
when he does know, and he's covering up Karen's abusive behavior,
and Laura Sullivan knows him so well that she's saying, well,
I heard from Eda that did they did have words.

(01:01:19):
And as this is going on, Karen Reid, just like
she did on the day of twenty eighth, she's texting him,
calling him, texting him, calling him, not respecting his boundaries.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
I asked him if he needed to take it, and yeah,
he said, yes, she's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
I got to take care of this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Was that the last time that you saw him? One
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
To give that excuse she's crazy is a real minimization
of her behavior because crazy people can't be responsible for
their behavior because they're out of their mind. I don't
believe Karen Reid is out of her is or was
out of her mind. If anything, I believe she's a calculating, cunning, manipulator. Again,

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John to keep putting the best face on it, she's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Attention to the following day, your's day? Did you see
all that?

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
I did not? I saw the children, but we didn't
see them that day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
No, Now turn your attention to the following day the
age Anuary.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
What was sort of a plan as far as what was.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
Going on that our hotel has a private island. The
hotel we stay out has a private island, and we
rented all eight of the cabanas between the sixty of
us that were there. And when the cabanas went on sale,
I had reached out to John and asked him if
he wanted me to get him one, and he said sure,

(01:03:09):
So I booked one for him and he paid me
for that cabana.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
So we all went out that morning.

Speaker 9 (01:03:20):
And it was probably around you know, ten o'clock in
the morning, and they weren't there yet, and so I
sent him a text and I said, you know, are
you coming or do you want me to sell this
cabana because there was other you know, couples there. At
least he could have made you know, the money back.
And he asked me who was there, and I said,
to everybody, and I named off I think I named

(01:03:43):
off a couple of names. I'm not really sure, but
I said, everybody's here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
And when you said that Adam is.

Speaker 9 (01:03:51):
He said, well, apparently I made out with your sister
the other night.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
According to Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Now, is that the first time that you had heard that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yes, so fair to say whatever you had heard from
your sister on December thirty first was not that? I
know that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
And what was your reaction when the show told you ill?

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
I was shocked.

Speaker 9 (01:04:22):
I immediately found my sister and said, did you make
out with John?

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
Assisted?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Now when you went to talk to your sister? Who
was it that your sister was with when you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Went to talk to about her.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
I'm not I don't recall who was who was standing
near her? Maybe my mom.

Speaker 9 (01:04:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
As far as your sister was concerned at that time,
was she dating someone?

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And the person that she was dating was that person
on the trip as well?

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
He was Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
And was that person that she was dating it was
on the trip well where they at.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
The commands on that day that they were.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Now, as far as.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
You have some conversation in regard to your sister and
then at some point you go back and have her
the conversation with.

Speaker 9 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I said, I uh, I texted him back, I said,
I just talked to Eda.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
She said absolutely not, that did not happen. Let's sustained.
I'll strike that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Now. At some point after that exchange, did Miss Jill
keith and or miss Reid and or the kids come
out through the command?

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
They did?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yes, and uh at any point, how would you describe
sort of how mister o'keith and or miss Reid was
acting when they came out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
To the command.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
But Karen immediately went in the water.

Speaker 9 (01:05:43):
I just recall her being like floating in the ocean
for a good chunk of the day. John was hopping
around from the different command as talking to people.

Speaker 6 (01:05:55):
One of my favorite pictures of him is with my
son from that day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Did you have any conversation with mister o'keith once he
came out to the command. No.

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
We kind of just kept it light. We didn't really
talk about anything that had happened. I was just kind
of trying to stay out of it for now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
And following sort of the command of situation or the
command a day. What happened then?

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
I suppose that day. I think I saw John one
other time. I saw him in the pool. It was
the one time that him and I were alone. He
didn't seem like he was himself. Oh, he seemed distant
and I asked him if he was okay, and he

(01:06:48):
kind of just you know, shrugged it off, and I said,
you know, are you happy, and he kind of, you know,
just rolled his eyes and shrugged it off. And I said, well,
you know something along the lines of life is too
short to not be happy, and he goes, well, you know, Laura,
it is what it is. And I did ask him

(01:07:10):
if he wanted to talk about it. I said, do
you want to talk about it? And he's like, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
And so following.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Bad stage in the pool area, when was the next
time that you saw them?

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
I had spoken to him.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
We all went on a jolly pirate. We had all
bought tickets in advance, so we had basically rented the
whole boat for everybody to go. He had bought four tickets,
and we had gotten a bus from our hotel and
he didn't show up for the bus and wasn't answering
my calls or my texts. And then we finally got

(01:07:55):
down to where the boat was a boat was about
to leave, and he messaged me He's like, not going
to make it. Kids slept late, and so I didn't
think anything of it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
And after that, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
How much do want to bet they're arguing in their
hotel room? We heard about arguments from the children during
this trip to Aruba. So again cover it up, cover
it up. But we know that when he in January,

(01:08:36):
before he was murdered, he was asking Karen Reid to
move out and she wouldn't move out, and telling Karen
that the relationship had run its course. So was Karen
Reid starting to plot a way to punish him and

(01:09:00):
discard him in the most hurtful way possible? Well, playing
up You've seen in the text messages. She's playing up
this role, pretending to desperately want to hold onto the relationship.
Just tell me if you're not into it anymore, when
in reality she had moved on to Brian Higgins. But

(01:09:28):
is this when she started to think about a plan
where she could hurt John in a way where she
had plucked she had some deniability and she could call
it an accident like reversing into him as a way
to teach John a lesson. She's starting to think these

(01:09:50):
things up in January. I mean, if you have a
boyfriend who doesn't wear a coat, I would think it
would it would come into your mind more than once.
You know, if he ever gets stranded out in the
cold in the way that he can't move, it's going
to be very bad for him. That would kill him.

(01:10:15):
When you're living in this area of the world, it
just gets very cold. And John's telling her in those
text messages on the twenty eighth that there's a big
storm coming, no one's going anywhere. Does Karen read see
this as the moment they reversed him? And we know

(01:10:37):
that they fought that night and she admits to being
angry with him that night, and they fought all through
the day via text messages.

Speaker 9 (01:10:53):
They saw him and Karen the night before they left,
and they ended up leaving a day or two early
so that the kids could get back to school.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
And when you saw them, where was that in relationship?

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Right outside the hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
But Laura Sullivan knows that's not the real reason the
kids would have gotten back to school. They left at
the time that they were planning, so that what we
know is they left early, that they that the trip
was so hellish that they left early. Let's hear about

(01:11:30):
the trip from her sister or younger sister, Marietta's point
of view. This is much shorter testimony. Take a listen
old on one second. I mean just rearrange this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
There we go. He came back down. By down, I
mean you called where you were saying in the hotel. Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
So we were on the fourth floor of the hotel.
So I took the elevator up and then I took
it back down to the lobby.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
At that point in time, and when you're getting back
from dinner and going up to the room and coming
back down, were you aware of where mister o'keith and
his niece and nephew were staying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
And yeah, knew what they were saying? Yes, room wise?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yeah, and where was that in relation to the first floor.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
So lobby's on the first floor.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
The room products for yes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So when the elevator gets down to the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
When the elevator gets down to the lobby, leather you
get out of that correct.

Speaker 17 (01:12:30):
So you have to say okay, you just have to
answer yes, yes, sorry, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
So the elevator gets spent down to the lobby, you
walk out with anyone you see when you come out.

Speaker 8 (01:12:41):
So when the elevator opens up, I the first person
I saw was the attendant standing behind the desk. I
didn't see anybody else in the lobby with me until
I stepped out. When I stepped out, I looked to
my left and I saw Johnny coming in through the
first set of outside doors.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Now, as far as mister o'keith was concerned, was there
any other sort of a term that you would use to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Refer to him Johnny or godfather?

Speaker 11 (01:13:07):
You're all right, I think this may be your propos
all right, So, folks that I'm going to say again
that first instruction I gave you with the last witness,
that you're about to hear testimony about certain conduct of
behavior allegedly committed by the defendant.

Speaker 14 (01:13:21):
Miss Reid is not charged with committing any crimes other
than those charges within the indictment. So this witness's testimony
may not and must not be considered by you as
any evidence that the defendant has a bad character.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Or whoever said in the comment section, don't take her
bad behavior as evidence of a bad character repeatedly.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
Is so it it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Goes against you know, a logical rational mind. How do
we determine if someone has a bad character? Flip a coin,
Nagi gate ball, And these are things that defense attorneys
have pushed to get in these kind of instructions just
to give you know, a little bit of favoritism to

(01:14:12):
their client, a little bit more, you know, to push
the scales in their favor.

Speaker 14 (01:14:23):
There's evidence that she may have a propensity to commit
the crimes with which she's been charged. You may not
take the defendant's prior acts that you'll hear about as
a substitute for proof that the defendant committed the crimes
charged here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
But you may.

Speaker 14 (01:14:36):
Consider the acts solely on the limited issue of the
defendant state of mind and the nature of her relationship
with John O'Keefe, as it might go to motive or intent.
You may not consider this evidence for any other purpose. Specifically,
you may not use it to conclude that if the
defendant committed these acts, that she must also have committed

(01:14:56):
the offenses with which she's been charged. You can only
use the evidence for the limited purpose of how it
goes to the defendant state of mind, motive, and the
nature of her relationship with John O'Keefe, and for the
same findings that I made it Sacon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Is he doing yes?

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
As you walk out of the elevated here by yourself
correct yes, and you see mister o'keith, could.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
You Claire read makes a good point, makes a good
comment here example, she's kicked puppies in the past and
has dog kicking shoes, but she didn't kick this dog.
A smart comment.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
See you where mister Keith was in relation with lobby
or where he's coming from.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
He was coming from the outside doors into the lobby.
Is that where the pool bar is located opposite side?

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
And when you see him come in with anyone? Do
you see with him? Initial?

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Nobody with him?

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
And what if anything was he doing or how was
he acting?

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
So he sort of stumbled in.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
I came out of the elevator and my initial response
to him was whoa you okay? I actually said, well, godfather,
are you okay? But yeah, he was stumbling into.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
The lobby, and did you go to him?

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
I did. I went up to him, and I gave
him a hug.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
And what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Then I pulled back. He was glassy eyed, looking above me.

Speaker 8 (01:16:29):
We never made eye contact. He was looking above me.
It looked like he was looking for someone. I asked him,
where are you going, assuming that he would be coming
to the pool bar to meet us.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:16:40):
He kept looking around, and he indicated that he was
going that way and pointed toward a bank of rooms
to our right, and I said, well, you should go
that way, and I stepped back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
And I guided him toward the area that he was going.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
As far as the bank of rooms to the right
indicated that you were familiar or aware of where it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
So keep was and when Jill More was that rare.

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
I know they were on the first floor.

Speaker 8 (01:17:02):
I'm not one positive as to where exactly their rooms were.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
And if you know, then you know whether or not
that mister O'Keefe was staying in the same room as
as Patrick and Cayley.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
At that point, I didn't know that if they were
staying in the same room or not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
No, so you point him in that direction, and what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
So I point in that direction. He walked off. I
continued out to the pool bar.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
When I heard very loudly his name screamed across the lobby,
very angrily, and it made me stop in my tracks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
And when you stop in your tracks, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Then I started to turn around to come back in.

Speaker 8 (01:17:43):
So once you go out to the pool bar, you
kind of go around a corner and you go out
of view.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
So I turned around to go back in.

Speaker 8 (01:17:49):
As I'm going back in I hear someone yell who
the fuck was that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
And as I.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
Come around the corner, I see mister O'Keefe walking toward
women and they were and he said, excuse me, He said,
calm down, that's that's Laura's little sister.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
And what happened then.

Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
When I came back around the corner, I said, After
mister O'Keefe said calm down, that's Laura's little sister, I said, Hi,
nice to meet you. That's when Miss Reids had snapped
up and she very loudly told me to go fuck
myself across the lobby and I said, yeah, fuck you too,
and walked away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
And just to be clear, when you say miss Reids,
this is someone that you became familiar.

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
With the trick on the hall, this was my first
interaction with her. I had never been fully introduced to
her at all. I just had seen her sitting by
the side of the pool when I had been talking
to Johnny earlier in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
And the person you know to be Miss Reids. Have
you see her in the courtroom today?

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Could you just describe as where she's seated or an
audible clothing.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
Missions make sure she's in a white checkered blazer, two
people in from you, because that's the record.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Reflect identification and intended by yes, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
As far as this read was concerned, what if anything
did you observe as far as the dependence beyond and yelling?
What if anything did you observe as far as her
mean or house she was acting in the time that
this interaction was going on.

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
She was just very loud, She very you know, energetically
screamed for me to go fuck myself.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
She was waving her hands. Johnny was trying to calm
her down. And after I said yeah, fuck you too,
I went out to the pool bar. So I didn't
see much after that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
And could you hear anything as far as when you're
walking out to the pool bar, as far as any
other conversation between the dependent and miss.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Rogs not after that first time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
No, you go back to the or you go out
to the pool bar, and if anyone did you talk
to me.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
I went straight up to my older sister Laura, who
was out to dinner with the couple the night before,
and I said.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
I'll allow this.

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
I went up to her and I looked at her
and I said, John o'keeth's girlfriend. And she looked at
me and said Karen, And I said, yeah, you guys
like her. She said yeah, she's okay, and I said,
well she sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Following that, I kind of work that into the opening.
You guys know, Karen read she sucks. She sucks just
the way that she says that. Can we so watch
it again? It's so perfect. You guys know her, you
like her? Yeah, she's so right. She was right, well
she sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
And I said, well she sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Wait wait wait, wait wait, we got to get to
the bad. We got to get to this the way.

Speaker 8 (01:20:56):
She went girlfriend and she looked at me and said Karen,
and I said, yeah, you guys like her. She said yeah,
she's okay and I said, well she sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Following that, hap particular, at any point in time later
in that evening.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
You see either mister O'Keefe or miss Reid.

Speaker 17 (01:21:19):
Later on that evening, I did not see them, know,
And when was the next time that you doc?

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
I saw them briefly on the second, which was the
day that we rented cabanas on the island.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
And when you say you briefly saw them above.

Speaker 8 (01:21:34):
Can you describe so we had all rented the cabanas.
Each family had one or they were sharing one. I
was sharing one with my family down at the end.
We got about halfway through the day and realized that
their family cabana was still empty. So I saw them
about halfway through the day when they did come to
the cabana, And I briefly saw miss Reid and mister

(01:21:55):
O'Keefe at the pool the island.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Bar that same day. But there was no conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Now with regard to mister O'Keefe and miss Reid at
some point in time on that day of the campanas,
what if any conversation did you have with your sister
regarding that?

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
So I don't know what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, see it sidebar quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
And Sullivan, with regard to the day of the commands,
did you have some conversation with your sister Laura in
regard to mister O'Keefe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
So that looks like Karen Reid was zubert that she
got whatever and Nettie wanted out there.

Speaker 17 (01:22:38):
And what if anything did your sister Laura telling you
she had learned from mister So my sister pulled me
aside from everybody and asked if the night that I
got into the altercation with Miss Reid in the lobby,
if I was making out with.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Mister O'Keeffe, how did you respond that I absolutely was not, And.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Let me say absolutely was not beyond the fact that
it didn't her. Why would that knock her?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
He was I'll allow it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:06):
He was family, he was my older brother. For all
intents and purposes, it just never would have happened between us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
And you expressed that to your sister. Is that correctly?

Speaker 17 (01:23:14):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Now, as far as the remainder of the trip was concerned,
starting with the defending miss read, what if any other
interactions did you have with none? And as far as
mister o'keeith was concerned, what if any further interactions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Did you have with him?

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
None?

Speaker 9 (01:23:37):
That was it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
And was that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Normal?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Or as far as mister o'keith was concerned.

Speaker 8 (01:23:46):
That, as far as I knew Johnny, that wasn't normal.
He would always come up to us, up to our family,
try to be around my nephew, his godchild, and he
was always the life of the party and wanted to
be around his family and his friends.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
And following that tri in a erbit, did you see
mister o'keith again, I did not. I had nothing further on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
All right, misterian EDDI thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Go neu miss Sulvan.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Beir to say that you were not at the Waterfall
Bar and Grill on January twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I wasn't at the Waterfall Bar and Grill. But I
do know, and I wasn't there when Karen Reid put
her foot seventy five percent down on the gas pedal
and clip John with her car. She was going up
to speeds of twenty four miles an hour. I wasn't
there either, But I do know that Karen Reid sucks.

(01:24:48):
I do know that she's a sucky person, a murderous
psychopath who was isolated John O'Keefe from his friends and
the family. Oh his friends, excuse me, not his family.
Friends don't know about its family. I don't know even

(01:25:11):
know enough. I mean, so much of this narrative has
been concocted by Karen Reid. So when I say that
it is jaw dropping that she spent the Christmas alone,
it's jaw dropping. It's a big change in the narrative

(01:25:31):
that everything was great and these fights were some kind
of normal fights. Among couples, and that Karen Reid and
John were so loving towards each other that night. This
is the narrative that she's put out. No one knows
anything about Karen Reid's past, her boyfriend's, her life in

(01:25:54):
New York, her friends. I mean, she's a total mystery.
And when Brenda Kane said he went out met her

(01:26:15):
at the hockey game, she asked tons of questions of
him and his wife. But when it came time to
answering questions about herself, she was very she was vague.

(01:26:37):
And there's these rumors that she set her ex boyfriend's
car on fire and held a knife to another boyfriend's neck.
But where's the They're just rumors. Where's the proof of that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Twenty twenty two in Canton, I was on you were
not at thirty four Fairview Road in Canton on January
twenty ninth, was not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
But I do know that Karen Reid is What you
get from this is that John was suffering, and it's
really insisting on suffering in silence as Karen Reid exerted
power and control over him and abused him. I think

(01:27:31):
these two sessimonies are such good examples of it. He
wasn't himself. He didn't want to open up. He stayed
away from our family where he would have wanted to
be near us. He doesn't want to get any more,

(01:27:58):
uh into any more fights with Karen, So he's staying
away from people that might that Karen might start fights about.
So here's this isolation. There's a lot I will return

(01:28:21):
to Christmas Eve. There's a lot more to say about
Christmas Eve and why Karen Reid spent Christmas alone. I
will return to it again. If Victoria Chris, Marietta Sullivan,
Laura Sullivan, Karen Reid's sister Elizabeth, would like to reach
out to me for to Glass twenty three at gmail.

(01:28:42):
Let's get some of this information out in the public domain.
You can just speak to me confidentially. I'm not asking
for an interview. I'm just asking to try to fill
in some of these blanks and get a narrative of

(01:29:06):
what really happened, a truthful narrative instead of the concocted,
fantasy narrative that Karen Reid has put into the public domain.
That is what I have for today, Wednesday, Just Wednesday.
Tom or Toady, civil lawyer, fantastic civil lawyers coming on
talk about the civil case. Karen Reid's lawyer, Damon Selgutson,

(01:29:33):
her South African lawyer, says, they indeed are going to
file file a motion to add multiple parties in so
Karen Reid will be both a defendant and a plain off.
You meing she'll be a defendant in the O'Keefe's wrongful

(01:29:56):
death civil suit and a plain off. She wants to
be a lay and a defendant. She herself sues the police,
Jen McCabe in a list of a whole host of
people as long as your arm. I'm going to be
talking about that with Tom or Toddy on Wednesday, making

(01:30:17):
sense of the civil suit and going to be asking
him about his chances for success with that motion. It
certainly would be highly highly unusual if the judge allowed it.
This is a much better judge in the civil case,

(01:30:38):
already making better rulings than Canonia are ready. So let's
hope that this stays. Have a Thanks so much for listening.
Very nice to see all of you again. I missed
you all. I'll be back tomorrow at six. Have a
great night, everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:31:06):
I hit my boyfriend with my car. It wasn't an accident.
But with lion lawyers, I'll go far. Lion lawyers and
witness harassment.

Speaker 15 (01:31:23):
All avoid prison.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
It was snowing.

Speaker 15 (01:31:30):
I pushed the pain down, hit him hard.

Speaker 12 (01:31:36):
Now the legal system of my clown in since for
a campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
Making money?

Speaker 10 (01:31:55):
True?

Speaker 15 (01:31:56):
Is my second victim carry carry gentle like John you
were Mama.

Speaker 13 (01:32:06):
My innocence from a.

Speaker 15 (01:32:07):
Campaign is my biggest.

Speaker 13 (01:32:36):
I hid my boyfriend with my coat.

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
It wasn't an ass.

Speaker 13 (01:32:50):
Both flying lawyers all go far. Lion lawyers and witness harassment.
I was void prison. It was snowing. I pushed the
pedal down, hit him hard. Now the legal system my

(01:33:10):
clown innsense frog campaign to save my skin.

Speaker 12 (01:33:22):
Making money.

Speaker 13 (01:33:23):
Truth, it's my second victim, carry carrying ginger like John
you were Mama. My innocence Frog campaign is my biggest hitten.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
It propping the boy

Speaker 9 (01:34:10):
At s

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