Campfire Stories with Chris' Mom: Bigfoot, Aliens, The Other Side

Chris has his mom Cindy on the show for the first time to talk about her beliefs in the supernatural, paranormal, and everything in between.

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Episode Transcript

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Weird. Hi everyone, Hello fromthe other side. I'm not on you

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on the other side. I'm notYou're not dead before you you're normally listening,
Yes to the show. That's whatthe others Jesus Christ, Hello from
the dead world. I'm dead.Yeah, wouldn't that be something here?
I mean, with my dead momand she's we're doing a podcast together and
she's dead. Fuck. Wow,it's a great way to start it.

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Startay us. No, I'm veryhappy to be here today because I usually
am always on the other side listening, So I'm glad to be here today,
not listening. Here not listening.So well, we've had my dad
on before a couple of years ago. I think that was during the height

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of the pandemic. But now thepandemics more or less over, so they
say on the internet. And now, I mean, we've talked about this
before, and we talked about thisa couple of times, and it's I
mean again, it's because one ofthose things where I don't necessarily know what
we're going to talk about, butI'm sure we'll buying things to talk about.

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So before well, just in general, before we kind of go in
the direction that we may go whatwhat are your thoughts on Let's do like
a rapid fire round. Uh yeah, yeah, yes, you know.
My feelings on these things are verywell known at this point. If anyone
is listening to this nose En haslistened to this show before. What are

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your feelings on big foot? Iknow it's gonna show. You are coming
on, Yeah, exploit. I'mstumped. I'm asking you to get I'm
not asking you to answer the questionof what big foot is. Just tell
me what your thoughts on big Okay. I I don't believe in big I
don't don't believe in big foot.I don't believe this big foot stuff.

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And you don't believe in big foot, Well I buy it for you because
I know you like big every nowyou're your mom. I guess, I
guess the I guess everyone is juststaring at me and going this psychotic person
believes a big foot None of ustoo? Why not? I'm curious,
like genuinely curious. What what?What are the stumbling blocks to you believing
that bigfoot is real? I'm you'reallowed to give an answer. No,

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I know, I am. I'mjust I'm processing. I just don't believe
it exists. I think it's justmade up something that people think they see
or they want to see it andthey imagine it. Well, what are
they seeing instead? I think they'reseeing, you know, a bear or
a combination of things. Yes,a bear, a bear, a really

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tall bear like a bear, andor a really tall bear. Two bears
in a trench coat, you know. I mean, it can't always be
bears though, that's my that's theonly thing, because some places there aren't
bears. Yes, well it couldit could be well are there though yettis
tailor bears. It could be aperson who hasn't bathed in a long time.

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Okay, so like a mountain person, yes, being tall and looking
like an ape, somebody who hasn'tbeen around people and it's scared of people.
No one's gonna listen to this show. I don't feel like I don't
feel I don't feel like, wellno, I don't know. I mean,
I get it, But at thesame time, I feel like,
if it's a person out in thewoods, that still doesn't account for why

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Bigfoot has such big feet and it'stall. Could look like that, sure,
but like it doesn't answer the questionas to like the physical quote deformities
I guess he would say, right, bigfoot super tall, and Bigfoot has
big feet supposedly allegedly, Yeah,allegedly he has big feet in this really
tall? So is that what itis? You just think that people are

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making it up? Yes, aconstantly. Do you think anyone has ever
seen up any Do you think theBigfoot doesn't exist at all? So people
are all just miss seeing something completely. I'm just asking, Yes, that's
that's my feeling. What about Blocknessmonster? Same thing? Blockness monsters even
word, because it's like it's ina thing. It's not like big when
we say bigfoot, it's like itcould bigfoots everywhere, Like Blockness is there

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in the lock nest. Yeah,the loch Ness monster, that's part of
the name. I don't believe inthe Lockness Monster. I don't like at
all. I have a hard time. I have a hard time with those
thesius surds. What's it called?Please, it's like a dinosaur, because
that's always what that is, Like, well, it's a dinosaur. That
didn't that People say it's a likea big piece of wood floating in the

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water. So well that might that'sprobably more of what it acts. But
it really is well, well,those pictures were faked. Was like a
toy submarine with like a little plasticthing on top. So what about ghosts,
Well, let's leave that one foryou, because that's a good one.
That's a good one. What aboutbecause I do believe Okay, well
we can get to that one.Then what about one? It's another big

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I'm trying to think there's any kindof a lot of these other ones,
like specific things. Who killed JFK? Oh you like that? That's the
call that's on page forty seven ofthe President's Oh my God, no from
Natural Treasure too. Yeah, that'son you can look at the book page

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No, I didn't, but that'swhat I'm assuming the President asks God Benjamin
Gates too, and then and thenthey ignored it with the new show.
So yes, they surely did killJFK. Who killed JFK? I don't
believe it was. I don't believeit was Oswald because that's that that shot

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that they say that he made thatcame from behind. But when you see
the actual footage of JFK and hishead's going back, how do you hit
somebody from behind and your head goesback, wouldn't that's the motion. That's
the way your body reacts when you'reThat is the way your body would react.
The real question that should be askedis why take that shot when he

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was driving straight at him? Correct? Like, yeah, I mean that.
I don't understand. I will neverunderstand that. I don't believe it.
I don't he maybe he Maybe Oswaldmade the initial shot, but there
had to have been somebody else onthe street, is it? Do you
think? Do you think? Yeah, do you think there were other people

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in? Well, Oswald didn't runout of the thing and run down there
and do the second or third shot. There had to been somebody else on
the street. Okay, I agreewith that, and I think there were
multiple people there were. They're thesorry I'm not a big government person.
Sorry, audience. The government's nevergonna tell us, right, but they

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don't have any interest. There's novest in it. They's interest in not
telling it. They may not knowthemselves. They do know because they were
they were part of it, butthey're they're never They're never going to tell
us. The government was part ofit in some form. I think they
let it happen. DFK was tryingto dismantle the CIA and the FBI,
and those two groups, those twobig government entities have no interest in being

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dismantlemantled by a president who gets itin his druthers to go and dismantle.
I mean that's what he said.He said he was gonna go do it.
He was gonna do it, hewas trying to do it. But
then also he was trying to takedown the mafia, so they had a
vested interest in JFK being dead.Also and the Cuban so it's like they're
plenty of I mean JFK painted abig target on his forehead and he had

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he was doing things he wasn't supposedto be doing doing was at me.
Well, there's also like that thewhole Maryland Monroe. Yeah, that he
killed her. Yeah, well henot that he did well, no,
but that's there was some hand init. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I don't it was. JFK isa weird No, No, it's just

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a weird It was a confluence ofweird things because it was like the celebrity
was like the president was like acelebrity, yes, which is a weird
thing. Well, I don't knowwhether it was because he was and then
somebody in your audience will probably haveto correct me. I don't. I
think he was at that time,he was probably the youngest person ever elected,

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and he was he was Catholic,which people were worried that the pope
was going to have a direct lineto the president. That's what they were
worried about. Yeah, I meanin my mind while I was little then
it doesn't matter. But I mean, in my mind, I don't care
what religion the president is. Whoops, I'll probably get in trouble, but
that's the reverse. You will notget in trouble for saying you don't care
what religion the president is. Thereverse. People will say, yeah,

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me either, myself included. Itjust there were just a lot of there's
a lot of stuff going on withhim because he was a very I mean
people like to think that Trump issome sort of like anomaly and like being
a weird person for president. ButJFK was Catholic, which again people now
might not think that's weird, butat the time that was like a big

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deal. That alone was a bigdeal and also being very young, and
you know it just I'm also likean establishment family. The Kennedys were like
a non political family. They're likein Trench. Yes, so yeah,
yeah, has a weird it's hisfather was in politics in one way or
well with the Nazis. Yeah,I mean his family is well not to

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think about. You know the wayconspiracy theories in this country used to be
used to be stuff like nine toeleven and JFK and stuff like that,
and now it's you know, QAnonand that ship and it's like, this
shit's not even you can't even havea discussion about this because it's not like
the JFK thing that comes from athat stems from a belief of like,
like you said, distrust to thegovernment, belief that the government doesn't necessarily

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have our best interests in mind,regardless of who's empowered. That stems from
that. And now it's like it'sbeen taken towards like Jewish space lasers starts
forest fires, and it's like that'snot fun. That's anti Semitic and stupid,
like and your and and you're stupidfor believing it. Like sorry,
that's not the kind of conspiracy theorythat I can get down with. And
I don't you know, I thinkthe other hosts of this show, Jesse

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and Emma and Maggie would agree withme, because like, that's those aren't
conspiracy theories. You know, whenI have Rob Scavarlan and we talk about
the fun conspiracies, we always talkabout it bridging both sides of the political
spectrum. It's not just one sideor the other. And that's when conspiracy
theories are being used for political gainis when it's a problem. When it's

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being used to shine a light onthe ship that's going on, that's affecting
all of us, that's when it'sfine. And when the government feels like
it can overstep its boundaries to thepoint of killing a president, that's when
we should be worried. I meanthat's the problem. Yes, compiracy theories
now are fucking like they're kuku bananashit that nobody should be believed. I
think probably before Kennedy was assassinated,people probably trust trusted the government more,

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and then I think after his assassinationit made people doubt the government well.
And not only did it allow theI think it allowed more people to openly
distrust the government, but I thinkit I think to your point, it
made it popular a popular thing.I mean the nineties, I mean stuff
like the X files and stuff.I mean, the thing is with the
Kennedy assassination. The Kennedy I mean, the Kennedy assassination was a big deal

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in the nineties. But that's likethirty years after it happened. We think
about it. I mean, butit was a big deal in the nineties.
So I don't know. I justI feel like the Kennedy assassination is
a good thing in terms of conspiracytheories because it's like the original one.
But it's a bad thing also becauseat the same time, it's resurgence in
the nineties with people like Build Cooperwith you know, on a pale horse.

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Those kinds of thing are fueled bythat distrust of the government. So
that's the reason why we're here nowwith all these like people who are believing
things that are very hard for mainstream. I mean, the belief that Kennedy
was assassinated by someone other than Oswaldis mainstream, right. QAnon is not
mainstream. It's not it never willbe. I mean, that's the reason
it's not taking hold the way thatother things did is because the beliefs are

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too fantastical and radical for more thana small portion of people to believe so
like you know about like Building sevencollapsing and that being kind of weird that
a building that was just damaged bythe buildings falling also kind of collapsed.
Oh you're talking Are you talking aboutTowers one and two? No, that's

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like I don't I think I thinkthat that. I don't. I think,
if anything, people in our governmentturned a blind eye. But I
don't think like there were bombs andstuff. I think that's like a little
bit there were bombs in them.Yeah, that's a little fun. Like
that's a little much for me,Like if that's what happened to find but
like even if that's what happened,you'd have it's that's a pretty steep hill

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to get me to believe it.I have a hard time believing that our
government had something to do with it. I mean directly direct What if they
had something to do with it indirectlylike let like not letting it happen,
but just seeing it as a seeingit as an opportunity balls in their eyes
and going down maybe it seems maybeit'll happen, maybe not. Yeah,
seeing is it an opportunity to like, you know, well, it'll allow

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us to like in you the militaryindustrial complex and we'll go to war.
I mean, we were in Afghanistanand Iraq until that's a that's a last
year. That's a pretty horrible waytoo. Pretty bad. Yeah, it's
pretty bad. It's horrible, butpeople make people make money off of doing
horrible things. I would rather notthink, right, I would rather not

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believe that our government had I turneda blind eye or just let it happen.
I think I think a better phraseis less our government, people in
our government, because that people thatwould be pretty horrible. But that but
like that is horrible, and that'sthe problem. Like you, you can't
live in the society we live innow and pretend like these things aren't happening,
because you have to be cognizant ofthem and not not not that any

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one of us can really stop it. It would, but being aware of
it is more important than pretending,oh well, but I just don't think
about it. It doesn't exist,Like it's still gonna exist, right,
because it was very it was inferior, infuriating to see something like that happening
on us, But at the sametime, that was the point, that

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was the intended outcome. Yes,if you were angry, correct which allowed
them to take your rights away.They took your rights away at the airport,
they took your rights away with yourcell phone, they took your rights
away with your internet privacy. Andeverybody gave their rights up willingly because they
were all angry. Correct. Andagain, not like you personally could have

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done anything any more than anyone elsecould have, because none of us have
that kind of power. But thegovernment took a lot. The government took
rights away under the guise of it'sfor your own for your safety, yeah,
for your safety, for your owngood. Yes. And then again,
you know now that we're on theother side of COVID. If you
look back on what happened, insome way, the same thing happened,

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we are rights were further eroded onceagain because again the idea of quote safety
unquote, and again I the efficacyof the vaccines is not in question.
The vaccine work. Go get vaccinated. You need to be vaccinated if you're
at high risk war in general,because I've gotten COVID in it. It's
not as bad if you're vaccinated.But at the same time, the government

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got to do what the government gotto do, and they did it because
they were again under the guise ofyour safe. They were doing things for
our safe, overstepping their boundaries againand again again. It is what it
is. But every time something likethis happens, it's like it's just further
eroded and further eroded, and atsome point there won't be anything left to

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erode and then God bless the government. They think they know better for everybody.
They always but they always do.It's regardless of whose empowered, but
there you are, regardless of whoseempower. They always think that they know
best. Don't agree, but okay, but agreeing with you. Agreeing with
the government is never a good ideafor the most part, because they have

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their own agenda as well. Gospeak to the UFO community and they can
tell you all about it. That'swhy nobody should ever believe anything that's ever
been disclosed by the US government regardingUFOs, because it's the government disclosing.
Yeah, why would you believe thegovernment. They're the ones who are covering
it up. They're the ones whoare actively covering it up. Why would
anyone believe what they're disclosing. It'salways a weather below, yeah, or

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or is we just don't know whatit is and it's like, well,
how is that any different? You'reconfirming that you don't know what it is?
How does that help us? Sowhat? Like that's it's weird too,
because that's all these things have beendisclosed recently. It's like, we
don't know what this is. Andit's like okay, great, well,
well it just begs the question.It's like, okay, so if you
don't know what it is and wedon't know what it is, do you
actually not know what it is?Because if you don't, that is a

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bigger problem than if you're covering itup, because I would like to believe
you're just saying, well, wedon't know what it is, but you
actually know and it's just part ofthe cover up. That's easier for me
to stomach. Then if you don'tactually know what it is, which I
don't think is the case. Thatdoesn't seem like it could be the case.
But I don't understand how anyone innormal society believes that that could be
the case, that the government actuallydoesn't know. So what do you believe?

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Alien? Oh? God, that'sa that's a hard one, is
it. Yeah, people have prettystrong feelings on aliens. Well, No,
I'm not going to make friends here, I'm sure, but I friends,
this is the right place. Yeah, I don't believe in aliens?
Why? How how do you?Okay, I don't believe it because I've
never I've never seen I feel likeI feel like you're I feel like that

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is the That is the argument someonewho was wanting to believe should be using
that you've never seen them. You'reat you you were a skeptic, but
you want to believe, right?Don't you want to believe that they're aliens?
Wouldn't it be a little boring ifthis was it that we were the
only sentient life forms on the study? Yeah? Okay, Look, it's
not statistically possible that that's the case, So there have to be other things

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out there. Do you Are youmore hung up on other people telling you
that they've seen aliens or it's justyou've never seen them. No, I
don't care what other people have seen. I've never seen one, So you
don't believe so I've never seen them? Yeah? Interesting? Uh? Interesting?
But do you want to believe inthem or do you so? Okay,

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so take a side that you've neverseen them. Do you want to
believe in aliens or do you believethat they don't exist until you've seen them?
If they don't exist, what areall these people saying must be saying
something? It's not just one shareddelusion theoretical. I mean, I guess
it could be they're all sniffing thesame you know, stinky air or something.
I don't know. Well, that'sthe question. Do you want to
believe that there's more going on thanjust this, because like aliens, mean,

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there's more going on than just this. I mean, believing in aliens
in this day and age is tantamountto believing in a higher power as far
as I'm concerned. If something elseexists out in the universe, then then
we're not the only ones. Thatmean, there's a lot of things that
that means for a lot of peoplethat they refuse to believe because it doesn't
fit with the narrative of what they'vebeen taught since they were child. Religiosity

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and uphology, as it were,do not necessarily mix. They mix in
certain areas, but there are plentyof areas where those two things are almost
diametrically opposed to one another, unlessyou go the whole ancient aliens route,
which is only a more recent thingthat's recent, that's from the mid seventies.
Maybe maybe it has something to dowith the ancient ancient astronaut theorists theorized

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because when I when I do watchthat show, that show gives me a
headache because I'm trying so hard tounderstand and to maybe think that what they're
saying kind of makes sense that itmakes my head er. I mean,
Ancient Aliens is kind of they takefun of show to watch for entertainment value.
Yeah, they kind of take ittoo far in my opinion. So

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but I think that's I mean,that's like, I don't know, they
trust junk science. There's a lotof junkie. I mean, there's it's
it's an entertaining show. That doesn'tmean that there's going to be any sort
of like doing close to the factsor you or or presenting the evidence in
an honest way, make it presentit in a less than honest way to
make it fit the evidence, thefit the argument that they're making. So

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maybe I need to watch it witha different mindset. It's just entertainment,
Like it's purely entertainment there, there'sthere's not a lot to be gleaned from
it. I mean there are somethings that but I mean again, if
you go and look some of thestuff, it's like this is not a
thing like at all. I getthe I guess aliens have most of the
time, I don't want to sayall the time are portrayed as being evil

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or not nice or whatever. Somy mom is a very My mom tries
to think about the happy all thetime. Guys, I would I would
prefer to not encounter a mean alien? Would I would like to encounter Et
sometimes? Okay, but who wouldchrist like alien? Yeah? I don't
want to encounter Et. Why becauseeat? Because fucking eat. Because the

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story of ET is weird. Well, of course, it's when alien comes
to Earth and plays father to achild wild who doesn't have a father,
and then that alien dies and isresurrected. Like Jesus, wow, I
never even thought of it that way. What what you just the alien as
a stand in for his dad.Yeah, that's what it feels like,
he like helps raise him. Yeah, it's fucking that. Okay, he's

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weird, but fine, I meanit's Steven Spielberg, you know, kind
of like, boy, I justlearned something. He always is like grappling
with his like family life, andlike what his family meant to him,
and how his family fell apart.Was that Steven Spielberg always okay, I
did not that alien dad left atthe end of the moon. I'll be
right here. I'll be right here. Yeah, I know you don't want

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to meet et. I never eventhought of that. I mean, I
don't know. Aliens are fine.I believe in aliens. Yeah, we
went to Roswell, Yes we did. We went to the crash side and
all that stuff. We went toa crash site. Yes, we don't
know which crash we went to.I don't know we went to where?
Correct me if I'm wrong. Wewere in Roswell. We were taking to

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where the alien spaceship hit a rockand cleved it in half. Right,
correct, supposedly suppose yeah, everyallegedly everything is supposedly Oh yeah, in
the middle. We'll not take youout see where the UFOs gray. Right,
I'm sure sure whatever hand is Overston, allow my truck out to my

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And so you go out there toRoswell, and you stand out there and
you turn all the lights off,and you look up into the night skin.
You can see why somebody thought theysaw something correct, it's dark.
I mean dark's pitch black. Can'tsee the light there. I think you
went there yourself with with Tata atMarfa, Texas where you go out where

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you go out there at night andyou're supposed to see lights in the sky.
Yeah, but that's like the reflectionfrom the other side of the kids.
And you stand there and you standthere and and look and before you
know it, boy, don't yousee something? And I just I think
it's I think it's you're I'm havinga hard time. I think you want

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to see something so bad that thereit is hallucination, yeah, like manifestation.
I mean we went we I thinkit was last summer. We yes,
it was last year. We wentto Marfa and we stood there and
we stood there, and we stoodthere, and you know, we said
we saw something. I think it'sbecause you want to see it. Yeah,

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so it you make yourself in yourhead go yeah I saw it.
Yeah. But we went all theway to northern Canada and we didn't see
polar bear. And we could have. But you know what I mean,
same thing. Well, you drovearound for hours and didn't see a single
thing. We didn't conjure up apolar bear. No, well we couldn't.
I think some of this stuff isnatural phenomenon, and I think some

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of this is just the natural world. I mean, you go out hunting,
you're not necessarily going to see something. I mean, I use the
polar bear thing for an example,because people always go, why are bigfoot
hunters out there finding bigfoot and gettingphotos of big foot? It's like,
well, if you're going out lookingfor bigfoot, it would stand to reason
that you might find bigfoot if yougo looking, which is why to me,
it's not surprising when people who goout looking for aliens find alien right

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in my mind, you know.But like again, like if you go
and see it. Now, ifyou're going to a place where there's a
natural phenomenon and you see the naturalphenomenon, I don't know if that's you
manifesting wanting to see it. Youmay just be seeing what you're there to
see. Correct. You go toMarfa to see the Marpha lights and you
see the Marpha lights. I thinkyou went to Marfa and you saw the
Marpha lights, you know. Ithink I think the box was double check.

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You went to Marfa and you sawthe light. That's my point like
if you go ufo hunting and yousee UFOs, wouldn't that be a success?
Wouldn't people who saw you go,oh, you're doing a good job
at this thing, as opposed tooh, you're double lying, because that's
what it always is. Think aboutit, like, think about all these
you know, I mean, itshows a side because again, once the
publicity angle comes in, I thinkmaybe that's the national publicity. But think

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about someone who's like a ghost hunter, like and they go and they go
into a haunted house and they getsomething. People go, oh, of
course you got something. It's like, I mean, of course it's not.
It's not a given you're gonna seea ghost or here's something. We
went to the Sally House Kate,and I didn't. I didn't see anything,
We didn't hear anything. I wouldn'teven pretend that I heard anything because

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I wouldn't want to diminish it ifI go back and actually see something,
because I wouldn't want it to bewell, you went twice and you saw
something both times. I went tothe Zach Beagan's Haunted Museum twice and I
only saw something weird in the mirrorthe one time, not both because again,
like it's not guaranteed. Yeah,I'm I'm I would not I would
not go to any of those,like a haunted house. Why, like

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an actually haunted place, because Iwould be afraid, afraid of what?
Well, I would you believe inghost or you believe in demons? Well,
you believe in bad stuff. Ibelieve in ghosts. But I don't
want to put myself in a situationwhere I'm purposely going somewhere to interact with
a go the thing. The thingsthat have happened to me that I believe

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are are things that were random.Right. Yes, I'm not going to
put listen. I don't want toput myself in a spot where you're there
for that so I know, Iknow something might happen. No, think
I'm not that tough, huh.Are that you exist? You exist in
the real world. I mean you'refor the most part, any of these
things that you interact with will notbe able to do any think to you.

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I mean that's a given. Imean, that's the given part of
this here for the most part.But I just don't care to be that
scared or are being on the edgeall the time thinking, but what if
you interpret it less as scared,but more as an opportunity to interact in
a new and meaningful way with somethingthat's hard to understand. Why does it
have to be scared again? Ifyou take out the idea that it's somehow

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bad, I just understand that it'slike you're going you might interact somehow again.
We can't understand what we can't.We don't understand something we don't know,
so we just don't. I mean, I think it's just a person
option thing, Like because you hearabout interactions where people aren't negative, it's
not overwhelmingly negative. I think it'sfifty fifty. Well that's my personality flaw

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is that if you say, oh, we're going to haunt a place that's
haunted in my mind, I automaticallythink it's gonna be scary or something bad.
So it's a personality. I thinkit's an expectation. It's you don't
watch scary movies sometimes with you?Yeah, when you make me, I
mean, is that a making youthink? It's just more like it like

(28:30):
this is a good movie. Itdoesn't matter that it's a horrible like no
one but the Doll, Doll conjuring. Yeah, An Annabel Comes Home.
That wasn't even that scared. No, it was kind of no. The
other one, the None that wasthat was that was kind of goofy.
Yeah. But the Exorcist, well, it's not even scary. The Exorcist
is scary for a different reasons.Excercist is scary because it feels real.

(28:55):
The movie feels real. I've seenplenty of scary movies that aren't scary at
all that you would find gross morethan scary. I will I will agree
with you that it feels more likethe Exorcist captured something on film. That's
where I come from with the Exorcist. To compare other things that the Exorcist
is unfair, the Exorcist is like, is its own thing. I think

(29:15):
of movies that send people throwing upin the aisles, and not because the
camera was shaky like in clover Fieldor people jumping over the seats like in
Jaws. Those are movies that elicitan a visceral reaction from people in a
way that cinema doesn't normally, butif it is really effective, it can.
That movie came out when in thelate seventies, had seventies seventies and

(29:37):
there was rated R at that time, And I mean I wasn't even allowed
to go see it, so Ididn't watch it until I was like,
I'm seventeen eighteen, and I didn'twant to watch horse that kid. But
then again, I wasn't allowed todo much anyway, So it really doesn't
matter about the movie. Well,I think the expectation with haunted and hauntings

(29:59):
is that it it's always going tobe negative. It's gary. Yeah,
well it's where the movies, right, you know, the Conjuring Annabelle,
Like, none of the things thathappened in those movies are remotely positive.
People are getting chased around the houseby ghosts. Ghosts are screaming and yelling,
doing all sorts of ship like theghosts usually have not I's like,
none of this is remotely positive.So if that's the expectation, then I

(30:21):
understand why one wouldn't want to goto a quote haunted house, Right,
I've never been to Well, hey, you've buen to plenty of haunted places.
You've been to plenty of haunted places. You have to have you exist
in the world. Just think aboutI have hotels that you've stayed at,
restaurants you've eaten it are haunted,they have to be. There are plenty
of them. You just don't gothere because they're haunt because they're haunted.

(30:42):
No, I do not. Thereare people that do. Yeah, I
know it. Oh no, Ihave some. I have several friends that
go to places because they're haunted.It's not for me. I think it
would be fun got stay overnight ina place that's haunted, and they like,
do like an investigation, go withlike some ghost hunters. Would you
do it? Would you do it? You go do all of this sudden

(31:02):
crazy shit. Get the fuck outof here. Don't even you go fuck
into Egypt. I have friends whowere surprised that you were going to Egypt
because it's perceived as dangerous. Becauseit's perceived as dangerous, do you understand
You have to understand it's a perceptionhere thing, it's not a reality.
You're going. How is my pointto when you're like, I won't going
on a house, It's like,why, it's the same thing. It's

(31:23):
like, it's not dangerous. Thedanger is in your mind. Yes it
is, it is. And Iguess when I went to Egypt, I
didn't feel like I was in danger. Well, my point. That's a
perception thing I was talking to befun. You were you were all about
conquering your fears. It would befun to go out on a ghost investigation
overnight do like EVP, do somespirit But it would be fun. I'd

(31:45):
probably never sleep, but that's whatyou wouldn't be sleeping. Yeah, you
would be up all night. You'dyou're up all night and locked in the
place doing the investigation with the peoplewith the ev I know people, we
could go do it. We'll go, We'll go, We'll we'll that'll be
yeah, that would It would befun only because again, if it's to
be believed that spirits feed off ofenergy, the different like you wouldn't all

(32:08):
you also wouldn't want to go onone of these things where it's like everybody's
a believer, Okay you know whatI mean? Yeah, because like what's
the point of a bunch of peoplewho are going I believe having them in
a room like if it's if itdoesn't you think if everybody believes that something's
gonna happen, well if well,it's more of like an energy thing.
It's like these things maybe you knowcan sense the energy of the people that

(32:29):
are in there, and it maynot want to present itself if the group
is just a bunch of people thatare all believer. Okay, you know,
and again like I'm I'm putting intentto something we can't understand. But
you know, if it's to bebelieved that these things have intent, they
might be able to sense the energyof you being standoffish, not used personally,

(32:50):
but someone who doesn't believe being standoffishto them and being like all right,
well I'll show you or something tothat effect. Again, I was
putting intent to something we can't understand. You do all this other crazy shit
it you go and fucking fish inthe Amazon River. I'm not going to
go do that. That does notsound. That sounds horrifying to me.
You're doing shit like that, Andsee what I mean like that? I
would that doesn't seem safe to me. Well see what I mean that se

(33:13):
perception. I would go stand ina haunted house in Kansas. We can
go to Kansas. We can goto Atchason, Kansas. When you guys
come up, we can go stayovernight there. We can go do it.
It's like three hundred bucks. That'sit. You go stay overnight in
the Sally house where the guy wasgetting scratched on his chest and she saw
the show. Dah, yeah,yeah, we can go do that,
you know, I think, Ithink that's a house in Kansas. How

(33:35):
is that scarier or as scary thangoing to the Amazon to fish for piranhas
that you're then using to catch worse, bigger, horvying, more horrifying fish,
And that's scarier. That's less scarythan some ghosts and house in Kansas.
I thought many times when I wason we were on the boat in
the Amazon, what if something happensto the guide and any of my listeners

(33:58):
whose parents are doing that, pleaselet me know. I'd love to hear
from you so we can commiserate aboutwhether or not we would go and do
it, because there's no parents ornuts or I would never go fucking do
that. We did it twice.I fucking aware you liked it so much
the first time you win again?Yeah well yeah, well, Tata,

(34:19):
I don't go get kicked in thenuts twice because I like it. Tata
wanted to catch a big catfish,which he did one hundred and twenty pounds
in the fucking river in the riverin the Amazon, and I caught a
vampire fish, do you Yeah?Do you understand that that sounds way more
horrifying than ghosts in the continental UnitedStates, where after you're done you can

(34:39):
drive and have breakfast at McDonald's,Like you do you understand I'm not going
to shit in a bucket and pourit into the Amazons with the giant fish
that I'm trying to catch them.Eat my poo poo. You know what
I like here? I know that'snot what we did. Your person,
your perspective on this, I thinkis missing a little skewed me. So

(35:00):
what so? Okay? So doyou believe a ghost in a religious or
non religious fashion? Does your beliefin ghosts tied to religion because that's like
a conveecious Absolutely not. Yeah,No, it does not feel like you've
gotten less religious the older you've got. Yes, that weird? Is that
weird for you because you went toCatholic school as a kid. I don't
know if it's weird, but ohyes. Do you feel like it was

(35:22):
your choice to be Catholic? Well, do you feel like it was your
choice to be baptized Catholic? No? No, I mean you when you're
in generally in the Catholic religion.You baptize babies, so you don't ask
the baby, Hi, would youlike to be would you like to be
baptized? No? But I meanmy parents were Catholic, My grandmother was

(35:44):
Catholic. I mean's just lying oflike, well, okay, here,
you just keep walking into the samerake over and over again. Yeah.
Yeah, this kid hid it inthe face, but I went nobody wants
to have a not smashed it nose. I went to Catholic school from kindergarten
all the way through high school.Yeah. Well, and that, dude,
it I mean, religious indoctrination isa thing. I mean, that's

(36:06):
what this is. I mean,that's what that is, right, I
mean that's what it is. Yeah. And you you don't put kids in
religious school so that they're not constantlybeing subjected to religious shit all the time,
right, You put them there sothat they are because the perception is
by them being religious, that meansthey're good. I guess, good people.
I guess is that what you weretold growing up? Yeah? Well

(36:28):
again, like you're gonna be agood person. That's a bunch of ye
coming from the Catholics, as veryrich as they would say thank you don't
even well, Catholics have not doneanything wrong in the last hundred years five
five seconds, maybe the last fiveseconds. They haven't done anything, but
Bryan last ten minutes. God onlyknows. Again, I won't make any

(36:49):
friends, I'm sure, but I'mthe older, I get the less.
Why why do you think you're gonnamake not make friends on this show?
I don't know when it's people myage who And I've tried telling you this.
The if you talk to people youngerthan you, the younger you get,
the less religion there is. Likeyeah, I know, like over

(37:09):
like to the point where they're thelike religious establishments are getting nervous because the
hey, guys don't get vaccinated forCOVID. Oh and my god, how
many parishioners got COVID and died becausethey were old and couldn't get themselves.
Yeah, but I know, Butthen what happens now now there's less people,
and there aren't people my age fillingthe bunkers because we're not fucking wasting

(37:30):
our time in organized religion. Ourreligion is much more personal to us in
the form of spirituality. Yeah,boy, that sucks. How's un doesn't
it? Yeah? But I knowit's the God's plan. Yes, it's
all it's alms. Yeah, playfor me. My husband's dead. Can
you donate to my go fund menow you don't have any money. I'm

(37:52):
sorry. If that was If thatwas God's plan, then in my in
my head, I keep wondering whatbad things happen to people? And things
happen all the time to our friends, good friends, family, this,
that cancer, God only knows whatelse. And then people will say,
oh, well, that's God's plan. Well where was he when the person

(38:15):
got answer or got COVID or passedaway unexpectedly? Where where was he there?
Why wasn't he protecting that person?Then we're strong. That makes strong
people. I don't want you understandthat. No, I don't. Don't
you understand that it's about being strong. You're a stronger person because your wife

(38:35):
died of COVID. Okay, okay, You're a stronger person because you lost
both of your legs by a drunkdriver hitting you. You're a stronger person
now because you can't use your legsanymore. Thanks God, Thanks God for
ruining my life. So you know, people still say, oh, you
know, send out prayers for whateverI have friends prayers or whatever. I

(38:57):
don't know yours or whatever. Idon't send prayers anymore. I send juju
okay, either peaceful, healing,happy. Is that cultural appropriation? I
don't know. I'm just joking.I don't think it is, but I
don't do I don't positive energy sendinggood vibes. I don't send good vibes,
good vibes like the Beach Boys,good vibe, good vibration, vibrations.

(39:22):
I just cannot bring myself anymore tosay you're in my prayers or religion
an aid, because I don't believeyou. Guys baptized me in Greek Orthodox.
You know what that means, dick, It means you. It means
I was put in a bathtub thatwasn't ours one time when I was a
kid. That's what it means.They don't mean shit. I mean shit

(39:42):
to anybody. You don't want toput any character here. So that was
good because none of it matters,because none of it is actually real.
It's all our ability to perceive,like what we're what is our perception and
assignment to value of dunking a childin a tub of water? I get
it, but like it means nothing. It means nothing if you reject it

(40:02):
completely, because now as an adult, you realize you had no choice in
that matter, correct, I meanat least you know, at least you
made decisions like that that didn't affectyou physically. I mean again, you
know what I mean. There's plentyof cultures around the world that do way
worse thing to children than dunk themin a tub of water. So I
mean, you know what I mean. I mean realistically, like, there's
way worse things that could be had. So yeah, religious in doctorations a

(40:27):
fucking thing. Religion sucks. Doyou think how much like the land is
taken up by churches in this countryand how much time is wasted, money
is wasted, and stupid shit wewere tied to organized religion. I don't
have any problem with religion. Ihave a problem with organized religion. When
people get involved in religion, religionshould ultimately be up to you, the

(40:47):
person to decide, not someone elsetelling you don't don't. Don't shove your
stuff down my throat. Because Ihad that, I had that for my
first eight years of my life.High school was excuse me, high school
was completely different. It was notlike that's when the hooks, that's when
they start losing the grip on thehooks. Because high school kids, it's
like good luck. I don't evenunderstand how there's I don't understand how there

(41:10):
are high schools that are religious givenand it's like those kids. It should
be like those It should be impossibleto get those kids to do anything involving
abstaining from sex and drugs and havinga good time. Theoretic, they still
exists. I know. North Texasis full of them. North Texas is
full of giant churches, giant religioushigh schools. I mean they have them

(41:34):
here in Nebraska too. We havea massive Catholic high school here. And
you see their license plates and thenyou see them down out out in front
of the planned parenthood assling women whoare going to get condoms and lesbians were
going to get dental dams, andgay guys were going to get condoms because
oh, by the way, plannedparenthood isn't just for fucking abortions, you
psychos like, it's just like itcalls in my mind, religiou causes people

(42:00):
to lose sense and sight of commonsense, and sometimes permanent it's like you're
lost to it completely because there areplenty of people that are part of organized
religion that are perfectly normal, thatare able to interact with you on a
daily basis, that aren't prostalytizing constantly. But we all know plenty of people
that are that other way. ButI think that's far and few in between.

(42:22):
What you're either all in this isme now anymore? Well people,
well people your age for sure,for me, anyway, you're either all
in or you're all out. Peoplethey have an identity tied to things that
here's the thing, like and againlike this has nothing to do with you
personally, But people your age havea hard time doing what they want because

(42:43):
they have put themselves in a positionwhere who they are is very much tied
to the expectations of people before them, what their parents wanted for them,
what their parents parents wanted for them, what they thought they want their parents
wanted for them. And these people, now, a lot of them are
going to die, never getting tolive the life that they wanted, while

(43:05):
people like yourself are coming to realizethat the shit that I was sold,
the bill of goods that I wassold up a bunch of bigs, bull
shit of the highest order, andthat's not an easy thing to accept,
an easy thing to stomach, andit's not something that's really easy to have
a conversation with with people your ownage because most people your age aren't even

(43:25):
willing to fucking go there. Andthen you feel weird trying to talk to
people my age about it, becausehow do you meet people my age?
Which you guys have you have youguys have friends that are my age?
Yes, But I mean that's theother thing, is you have to expose
yourself to people that are going tobe like I don't It's not that I
don't want to constantly hear about it, but it's like there are things that

(43:45):
we are not going to get alongabout, and if you're cool with that,
we can be friends. And likethey're like people a lot of people
in your generation. It's like Icouldn't have a conversation with someone who's like
that, right, and that's fun, that's fun up. That is fucked
up, like if you think aboutit. But again, it's like it's
coming from this place of like religionand cultural background and it all feeds into

(44:07):
this like sense of like feeling angryat your loss of identity that you never
got to have. So instead ofembracing what you wanted, you've just turned
it into like anger towards the peoplethat are people that are conservative, that
are angry at the gay people.You're angry at the gay people because they're
actually enjoying themselves, because they're actuallybeing themselves, because they're and out and

(44:30):
being who they want to be.And you know what that bothers people who
have been told they can't do thatsince the day they were born, because
religion is all about control. Organizedreligion is about controlling. Yeah, yeah,
and do whatever you want. Justdon't hurt anybody. Yeah, don't
mess with me. That's yeah,exactly, don't mess But that should be
But in my mind, that shouldbe the way we as Western American society

(44:53):
should be. It's like we arethe culture of people who want to be
left alone. Isn't that why wewent to war with the British is so
that they would leave us alone?But then we took it upon ourselves to
police ourselves just as hard or worsethan they would. Now. I mean
again, the erosion of our rightshas been damn near constant throughout the last

(45:15):
one hundred two hundred years, andit goes back to the thing with the
aliens. People can't be honest withus about But they don't because I don't
know, you know why, Becausewhat happens if tomorrow we find that the
aliens exist? What happens to allthe Christian nationalists, the crazy, crazy
Christian people, and the crazy religiouspeople. What happens they all go kill
themselves because aliens exist, which probablyis not remotely in line with their beliefs.

(45:38):
What do they all go do?Go nuts, remove themselves from society,
kill themselves, walk out into thewoods strand and you know what I
mean, disappears Well, you knowwhat I mean. I mean there's a
vested interest in not having society breakdown, which again I think is the
perception of what would happen if thingslike that were to get out, Because
I think aliens I think I agreewith your sentiment on why you don't believe

(46:01):
in Bigfoot. I believe it,but I get it. But like the
belief in Bigfoot and big Foot wasfound out to be real tomorrow, how
does that affect our daily lives?Don't if you're scared of that, don't
go into the woods. Like thelikelihood you would interact with one is very
low anyway, right right, itwould be like well, okay, yeah,
Like it'd be like them saying like, well, there's a giant shark

(46:22):
in the ocean, Like what ifthere was an if there was a giant
if there was a giant shark inthe ocean that could eat cruise ships in
one bite, would you ever goon a cruising it? Would you personally
ever go on a cruising it?Oh? That's hard. I mean,
that's the Bigfoot question. Would yougo into the woods knowing that there's a
giant ape that could kill you inthe woods that people don't even know if
it is. I don't like goingin the woods anyta. But yeah,

(46:43):
yeah, well maybe maybe a mootpoint on the question, but you know
what I mean, yeah, wouldyou would you would you ever step foot
on an airplane knowing that there's agiant terradactyl like dinosaur that patrols the air
There's only one of them, butwould you ever step up that? That
would be very scary? Right yeah? Yeah, yeah. I don't know
what my answer would be though,because if I want to go somewhere,

(47:04):
I have to get on a dangplane for God's sake. Well, then
in my mind, that's you haveto take your chance. It's a level
of acceptable risk. Yeah, youhave to take your chances. I don't
I don't know if I would geton an airplane knowing that there's a giant
bird flying around that could destroy theairplane in one foul swoop. But at
the same time, we're talking aboutessentially this maybe the same odds of airplane

(47:25):
breaking in right, right anyways theway it is now. Yes, so,
but that's the question I always thinkabout when it's like stuff like this
with like Bigfoot and stuff, islike, is it scary enough for you
to have your daily life interrupted?No? Okay, then the government would
never care if we found out thatBigfoot exists, because I don't think the
government has any sort of like coverup about Bigfoot unless Bigfoot has something to

(47:47):
do with aliens, like it's celestialBigfoot. Yeah, well that's I mean,
that's a theory. It's like Bigfoot'slike interdimensional being. It's everything from
bigfoots and interdimensional being to Bigfoot isan interdimensional pet for aliens, that he's
like a scout that he scouts theI mean, there's all kinds of stuff.
God, oh boy, has takena Bigfoot has gone from just being

(48:08):
a myth passed around by indigenous peopletoo. Now he is a possible interdimensional
being that can walk between dimensions andmaybe like is a sentient alien. He's
like a traveler. I need toread up on things. I'm way out
there, kids, But I well, I think your again, your beliefs

(48:30):
come from a very just from theshows I watch on Davy. But I
mean, I think that's how alot of this gets formed. I mean
there's I mean, there's there's alwaysbeen this theory that the descriptions of how
aliens look in people being abducted areclose to the way aliens are being portrayed
in film, to the point wherethey evolve with how aliens continue to be

(48:52):
portrayed, and cinema affects the waypeople are remembering through regression hypnosis, the
aliens that abducted, which I meanagain, I don't believe that. I
don't believe that aliens could look likeus, but the movies have made us
think that they have, you know, big fans again, I mean,
if you want to make something scaryand they're green and they're or gray and

(49:15):
they're pink, what color is etbrown. He's brown. Yeah, the
grossest, He's so gross looking.It's funny the whole yess a weird movie.
I never I never thought of itthe way you described it. I
just Steven Spielberg loves telling stories abouthis broken family, to the point where
he made a movie about his ownfamily being the broken family. With that

(49:36):
Meet the Fableman's Movie, which isjust about his life. It just came
out he mythologized his own childhood.Do you believe that? No? I
mean again, like it's the ultimatelike family STI because that's Steven Spielberg's thing.
Every movie that he tells is astory about family. Jaws, Minority
Report, Wore, The World's IndianaJones, Indiana Jones, The Last Crusade,

(49:59):
Yeah, in Indiana Jones, andThe Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Indiana
Jones. Well, Indiana Jones,and Raiders The Lost Arc. Kind of
the last, I mean, it'smore like that's more of like a sibling
rivalry between him and Belloc. Andthen in the second one, I mean,
India is kind of like a surrogatefather for short round. Yeah,
I can see it. In thelast group saying well, that's all about

(50:20):
family and like reconnecting with your longlost father. Yeah when he comes in.
Spielberg is not even subtle about it, when he comes in with the
cross and he's yeah, dad,dad, count to ten. Yeah,
it's all about like the relationships withyour father they in video have in Greek.
Yeah, that's all those. That'sSteven Spielberg's obsessed with the with the
family that he didn't have in mythologizingthe perfect family every time every one of

(50:45):
his movies. I'm saving Private Ryanthree brothers who all died, and the
fourth brother is the one that theyhave to go and save, so the
whole family's not gone. Yea.The subtlety of Steven Spielberg is astounding,
and by that I mean lack ofsubtlety, because he's not subtle at all.
But that's the appeal of stevens todo. I didn't know that,
so I learned something today. Butthat's why I don't like ET, because
ET isn't do with Alien, hasto do with fucking Nold. This kid's

(51:07):
family is falling apart. No,he doesn't have a dad. Yeah,
an alien is dad. The alienis his dad. Wow. He helps
him learn to grow and be emotionallymature and then he leaves again. Yeah,
I'll be right right here. Yeah, by fuck you fucking just sell
bullshit. It's such a bush closeaccount is a third kind, much more

(51:29):
entertaining. Steven Spielberg Alien Movie.Still, I mean, I guess not
as bullshit better still a little bitromantic. Well, I'm gonna go off
with the aliens willing. I no, no, on that one, I
didn't understand. He goes off withaliens willingly. At the end, he's
someone who's empty looking for something tofulfill him because he is in a dead

(51:51):
end life with the marriage that hedoesn't like in his family, and him
and that woman connect and then hegoes and he goes away looking for whatever.
Again, absent father. He becomesan absent father. Okay, interest
things. Even Spielberg's movies are unsubtle. Jaws is literally about the well,
I mean, it's about protecting whatare the links you go to protect your

(52:13):
fam And also I mean kind oflike that familial bond that the three of
them have Quinn, Hooper and Brodyon the boat. Yeah, yeah,
because it's kind of like the olderit's kind of like a pseudo father and
brother relationship between the three of themthat I can say, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's not Steven Spielberg's notsubtle. I think there's any other

(52:35):
question go on to add. Solet's let's end to this episode with you
telling me because art when my dadwas on, he talked a little bit
about it. Your personal experiences.Have you had any personal experiences with what
any of the unexplained Oh, thosegoods, whatever, anything unexplained that's happened
to you. I wasn't going tosay it was even ghost. It's whatever

(52:57):
your perception of it. I don'tknow if you're perceiving it is, go
then yes, But I'm asking youhave you ever had anything unexplained? How?
Yeah, A couple of things.One that I remember very well.
I think you were I believe youwere in college and we had come to
visit you, probably at yeah,probably at Miszoo. We came to visit

(53:17):
you William Zoo grads out there andI didn't graduate from his zoo. Sorry
Truman the Tiger m I z Yeah. Anyway, we had come to visit
you, and we had an Iknow we had we had a rental car.
Okay, so we come home andunpacking and whatever, and for some
reason, can't find our camera.That was back in the day when you

(53:42):
carried one camera, you didn't useyour phone. So that wasn't probably well
it wasn't years ago, fourteen yearsago. But at the same time,
I don't know where we were going. We were actually going someplace else,
kind of close to come. Oh. So the first thing was, well,

(54:02):
you know, maybe we left,maybe we left the camera in the
rent a car. Didn't even thinkabout it to call the rent a car
company. No, nothing was turnedin. Okay, okay, So Tata
just went and bought a new camera. Because he went and bought a new
camera, right, well, Imean because if you can't find it,
well, assumption is it's gone.Yeah, assumption is it's gone. I

(54:24):
we don't know where in the hellit went anyhow. So I was packing
or something to go somewhere else,and he bought the same exact camera,
same exact camera back. So thesuitcase was on the bed, his camera
was on the right side of thesuitcase. I swear to God, this
is the absolute truth. And Iwish I had taken a picture of it,

(54:45):
but I can still see it inmy head. I was gone back
and forth from one room to another, gathering things to put in the suitcase.
And at one point when I cameback, the other camera was on
the other side of the suitcase lane, just like the new one, same
camera, same camera bag, juststaying there. You've told that, You've

(55:05):
told me this story before. Yeah, it was. It was just so
what was me? It was?It fucking weird? Excuse you for what?
No, it was very interesting.Yeah, you can. It was
as though somebody and if it wasYeah eight passed away. We we just
think that my father in law,who had passed away in No. Seven

(55:28):
knew were was and put it there. H I mean, I mean we've
had stuff like that happened here.So I can kind of see the Senate
and yeah, there was. Yeah, it's weird. Now when I mean
this, probably this probably is notanything like because when my mom passed away,
she passed away in oh three,and she passed away in April,

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and anybody, I won't go in, I won't say anything else. In
May, when the kids were outof school, I went for a week
by myself to get her house cleanedout, and I stayed all day.
Let's describe what this house is.This was an apartment, a three story
apartment that was shared in San Franciscoand San Francisco in North Shore now in

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the Marina Marina. In the Marina, so there was a flat upstairs,
my mom's flat, a bunch ofItalians living together, and the basement pardon
me, and anyway, beside thepoint why it had to be cleaned out.
Anyway, So I was there fora week, and I was there
every day cleaning out. I neverstayed at night again because of haunting and

(56:36):
things. I didn't want to bethere alone. Yeah, so I I'm
with you on that. I wouldn'twant to be there either. I went
to friends houses and stuff in theevening. But every once in a while
I would be there doing something andi'd see my mom go by. And
I don't think that's unusual, becauseI don't know what I mean if that's
it sounds fucking unusual to me.You're talking about the sentiment of being in

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a place where someone was after theyhad just passed away and seeing their energy.
I mean, I would, Imean that's common, But again,
like I don't when you were withmy dad, when you were with Todd
doing the clean out of his parents'place, did you see them? No,
well there so it is. Itis weird. Yeah, I never
did. It is weird. Didhe would have said something? Is that?

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I mean we that's been since hewas on he would have said something.
Then he's never said anything to meabout it, and I would see
her kind of weird. Yeah,she had a grace. My mom had
this gray sweater she wore all thetime. And there she'd go by whether
grace sweater or on what and oneother thing? And then well, do
you let me ask you something?I think it's an interesting question. I
hear. Maybe she was there tomake sure I was doing things right.

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Well, we won't get too farinto it, but relationship, your relationship
with your mom was strained, wasnot good, It was not necessarily positive.
No, do you think that hassomething to do with it? Again,
to speak intentions to something that wedon't know intentions, Yeah, I
don't know. I just think youthe only one. I'm You're the only
one who can make a statement.I don't know. I think maybe she
was just coming around, like youknow, they always coming around to make

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sure I was doing it. Butagain, they always talk about how spirits
maybe stick around because they have unfinishedbusiness like I never I mean, I
never felt right, you know,anything any intent behind that? No,
just shuffling around. Yeah, justshut and one other one other thing.
This was when Dieto passed away,Mark Tanta's dad, and that was in

(58:30):
April of oh seven, and thata few months later his wife, your
grandma Baba. She came and stayedwith us quite a while. In the
month of June. We had aplumb tree, two plumb trees that just
had so many plumbs on them thatsummer. Congratulations. Her and I decided

(58:52):
we were gonna make jam. Wemade jam for four days straight, and
finally she said, put all thatshit away, I'm done. May can
jam anyway. And we were sittingin the kitchen when doing this stuff,
and I swear to God, we'retalking talking about we probably were talking about
Dieto, and I felt, Iswear to god, I felt somebody petting

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my head and I thought, ohmy good God. I just assumed that
that probably was Dito just walking by, going yeah, it's all good.
I'm just keep talking about me.Let's see and so and see. You
see now why I ask you aboutthe perception of the other thing, because
that's your perception of your perception.Your perception of it is tied completely to
the feeling, because all you feltwas just that about it. If it

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was negative, think about how youwould feel if that was if that was
a negative feeling and I didn't feelscared or anything. It just was like,
Oh, did you feel scared whenyou saw your mom? No?
Freaked out? It was kind Itwas yeah, I was kind of You
think if you had had a positiverelationship, it would it have been maybe
reaffirming probably, you know, justlike little little stuff like that that you
know, you think and I don'tknow. The thing with the camera could

(59:58):
have been my imagination, but thatcamera was not there when I walked away
and I came back and there itwas, right, I believe, Like
what in the world? So sometimeshalf I can't find something, I just
kind of, you know, gohey, and somebody find it for me,
And somebody find that for me becauseI can't find it for I don't
I what's weird is I never sawmy I never saw my dad, Right,

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Well, that's what I'm getting it. You never saw anybody else,
That's my point. Get a ratherpositive relationship with everybody else. Would you
say, oh, yeah right,Yeah with Todd's parents. Yeah, with
your own father, but I withyour mom, right, So I didn't
that. I think that does saymaybe a little bit more than nothing,
which is you know, well thatthey that they went, they had nothing

(01:00:44):
to stick around. It was nothingto stick around for. Yeah, because
when we were we spend a lotof time. Of course she was there
at her house making sure that herphysical belongings were being taken care of,
because that's all she cared about.That's was that was a concern, was
how were my things gonna be?I I only I only care about my
my effects after I'm dead, Andas much as I want them to go

(01:01:05):
to the right people, I don'tcare how they get them, you know
what I mean, That's what Icare about is, Oh, I want
my posters to go to somebody orwhatever the fuck, like my money to
go to whoever. Like I don'twant I'm not sticking around like the fucking
nothing keeping me here because like whenI'm done, I'm done. Like think
about that, like that was stickingaround to make sure her stuff got handled
correctly. Wow, Well it saysa lot. I mean, we always

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taught always says that Baba the minute, the minute bye bye, the minute
she ceased breathing, she was gonebecause yeah, dude, well no,
she wanted to go back and bewith Dido and smoke and have her jack
and coke and be cool. Shedid. There was nothing for there was.
She didn't worry about us taking careof her stuff. No, we

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she knew we were gonna do whatever. Was it right exactly? And that's
my point. I think there ispart of that because it's like, yeah,
I'm when I'm gone, like I'mgone. I'm not sticking around here
like yeah, I'm there is nothinghere that would keep me, like unless
it was like I was murdered andI want my family to find my killer,
like bye, yeah, nothing wouldkeep me here. Probably my dad

(01:02:12):
the same he you know, heyeah, I would. One minute he
was there, the next minute hewas. Last I would want is for
people to see a vision of meafter I'm gone, because like then they
have to live with that forever.Yeah, like thing I mean think,
I mean that's in my mind.It's also like that's the one last gasp
of someone who's who's like getting youknow what I mean, Like one last

(01:02:34):
gasp like oh I'm gone, butstill here like I'm gone and I'm just
good good riddence, your stuff isgone and goodbye, you know. But
it's like again, like you justsubscribing intent to what we don't know.
I'm gonna I'm gone, but I'mstill gonna be course of course, of
course. It's it's that you know, you you're miserable in life, miserable
in death, and hope to Godlike whatever you come back as will allow

(01:02:57):
you to go on a journey thatwill help ease the pain that your soul
is feeling. Because like that's thething, like if you fuck up bad
in this like human body, you'regonna get sent back to something else.
You gonna get sent back. It'slike a cockroach or something. We'll try
again, well, you know whatI mean. Like that's that's what I
believe. I believe that it's likeyou, your spirit and your soul is

(01:03:19):
building through every iteration and if youdo well enough in this one, you
get to go on to whatever thenext thing is. But if you don't
do well here, like why youcome back as like a titsy fly and
you have like three weeks to dogood as a titsy fly. Because that's
how long they live and good luck, Like you get real resurrected as a
titsy flight eight million times before youget one opportunity to be anything else.

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That's what I believe because like interesting, because like fuck it, because like
because at the end of the day, people don't always stand accountable for the
shit that they do because there's someways too. There are lots of things
you can't be able accountable for,but something will hold you accountable. Something
will something will hold you accountable,and that is that's a solace. That
is what finding peace feels like,is knowing that ultimately something there will be

(01:04:08):
some semblance of. And that's whyI don't believe in organized religion because organized
religion doesn't profit that shit, atleast notizer. Well, I go to
heaven, Okay, Okay, wellI mean again, if you if you
believe heaven is like you don't needto do any better than you did before,
then yeah, that's heaven. Okay, That's what I'm talking about.
But it's like that's not guaranteed.I don't know where i'd want to go

(01:04:29):
when I will end it this way, Okay, I think if I think,
if I had choices of where Iwanted to go. When I pass
away, I think I'd probably liketo go to Disneyland for a little while,
because I've always loved Disneyland. Iprobably would like to go to Vegas
every once in a while. Yeah, just hang out, play slot machines
and win all the time. Butin heaven, well, I don't know.

(01:04:50):
I mean, when you pass away, it's things that you want to
do. I mean, I'd probablygo and hang around in Disneyland and go
on brides, okay, go toVegas once in a while, go to
a show, or walk up anddown the strip and like grab people's slaves.
I don't scare them. Oh ifyou were a ghost, yeah yeah,

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go on cruises, you know,just throw people over the world.
No, just go on a cruise, throw somebody over. Yeah, just
going some bye. I mean,those are those are things that I like
to do. Those are things youwould just do anyways. Yeah. So,
I mean, because I don't lookghosts waiting in line at the cruise
to get on the boat because theycan't get on any other place. They're

(01:05:36):
all waiting there for all the peopleto get on. I don't I don't
really know if there's heaven. Imean, what doesn't matter, right,
I mean, I'm you know,so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
I mean I'm gonna, well,it's the thing like that somewhere.
Well, I don't even understand whyanybody cares, Like we were not going
to get to enjoy it in thisform anyway? Is it nest be flying
around? Well? What does itmatter? Like it's so weird. I

(01:05:58):
mean, like I get why wecare, but I don't get why we
put so much, like an immenseamount of like stock into it, Like
why cared that much? Oh?Not? I know. One other thing
that I would probably like to dois maybe I'll find a group somewhere that
likes to play dominoes and majong bunco, you know, things that I like
to do. And then after that, well then then we'll catch up with

(01:06:20):
our friends and stuff and go todinner and hang out. Hey, you
have to, as Pata will alwayssay, you always have to have something
to look forward to. So whenyou pass away, you have to think,
oh, there's gonna be something evenmore fun on the other side.
And it's not necessarily sitting at theright hand of God doing I don't know

(01:06:41):
what polishing his shoes. I don'tknow, so I don't know that.
There's my take. And I've enjoyedbeing on the podcast. Good. Yes,
I've made my debut. I'm sureall your listeners are out there going
dang. Now I see where hegets it from. Now I know why
that prestachous the way he is becausehis mom is kind of off the book.

(01:07:05):
But it's been I've I've enjoyed it. O good. Well. On
that note, you can find everythingthat I work on, along with this
show and so many other shows overwhere do we meedia dot com? Yeah,
where you can find this show andMike White's the Projection Booth, Susan
Lambert, Adam's av eighties TV Ladies, and Father Malone. Yeah, Father

(01:07:26):
Malone shares a birthday with me.You've heard him on here before. Man,
there would be a trip to getthe three of us to do a
podcast together. That would be funny. He's a funny guy. He likes
to make jokes. I like FatherMalone. It's a cool kid. Yeah.
His blue hairnets, his blue Hairnet'sblue hair, my green hair anymore
him, he's a blue hair man. And well, you know what I'm
gonna say, Thank you to DustinRuttledgend Maggie Dion for the album artwork for

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the show. Though you can hearDustin over on the Bolly would send him
a club pretty regularly, and Maggieis well one of the hosts of this
show, so you can hear Maggieall over the place on this show.
And big thanks to our good friendAlex Malnac of Blondo or Blondo as the
whole band, because those dudes arekicking it around the Midwest touring and now
they're headlining with people opening for them, So damn, what the fuck?

(01:08:11):
What am I doing? I needto do here? Fuck, I gotta
I gotta get something. You can'tfind me anywhere, you can't fuck you
all. You can't find me anywhere, Stepp Tier, So I'll let you
say the last line. And normallyI let Tim White say it, but
since my mom is here, I'mgonna let my mom say it. So,
Mom, you do the thing thatTim White, our friend from Sightings

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does. No mystery is closed toan open mind. Two