January 17, 2024 • 46 mins
Chris, Jess, and Maggie bring their rewatch of Lost Tapes to a stunning and somewhat underwhelming conclusion with a look at an over-meme'd "cryptid": reptilians.
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You can follow Chris Stachiw @Casualty_Chris, Jess Byard @writerjessbyard, and the podcast @ScaryStoriesWT. Alex Malnack of Blondo provides the music for the podcast; that track is "Stay Here." The album artwork is provided by Maggie the Odd.
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These are the creatures science refuses torecognize. If our eyes see it,
if our cameras capture it, doesn'texist. Do you believe? Do you
believe in life after love? Yeah? Hello, I don't know what I
believe in other than I believe.Again, I believe. I believe.
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This is an episode of Scary Stories. We tell I am still your os
Chris Tashu, and I am joinedby one of the other hosts of this
show, your friend and mine jesFired Hello. And to round out this
Lost Tapes rewatch, Maggie showed upabout what halfway through the first season.
All right you I think like afterfour episodes. Yeah, so, Maggie,
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you're here to help bring the showhome. I know it's been a
long journey. It feels like graduation, only with like a cold slap to
the face, just scally slap tothe No. I guess the tracks for
like high school graduation. I didfeel like, Wow, I got a
piece of paper. You're gonna say, scaly slapper, Yes, yeah,
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No, this is a way bettergraduation. I must say. At least
this had like a really laughably sadrave party underground, a really cool seeming
party. I don't know about y'all. Oh yeah, right, I wish
you would here, Yeah, flashinglights in my pace. Bye God Jesus.
So yeah, on this episode ofthe Lost Tapes Chronicles, we are
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ending this little mini show within theshow that we've been doing with a look
at the tenth and final episode ofthe third season of Animal Planets Last Tape,
aptly titled Reptilian All about Yes,you guessed it, the lizard People,
ladies and gentlemen. I know lately. Sorry, this is a family
program, but the lizard people aretaking over. They're turning the Animal planet.
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Kay. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, go buy my whatever toot paste
that prevents covid. Jesus, whatthe show? The show got us ready
last episode for where it was goingthis episode, it's like, all right,
we're going to introduce you to themilitia, guys who believe in the
reptility. At least they do nowGod right? Oh lord, So yeah,
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we're gonna be talking about the finalepisode titled Reptilians all about Reptilian humanoids,
otherwise known as that's the thing here, folks. This is not a
cryptid no, this yeah, makessense that this show would end this way
at this point, why right,I mean, unless we take it in
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the purely like lizard alien person,is that like as NV, like you
know, like the B style,like the V style really purely alien but
just happened to be you know,lizard based. I don't know. I
don't know, Like that's the questionthough, because the lizard people that we're
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talking about, there's an episode ofJesse vent Toure's conspiracy theory on those lizard
people, which are the conspiracy youknow, Prince Prince Edward or you know
Obama is a lizard or whatever thefuck? Right, right, That is
what my expectation was through this episode. It's not that though, No,
it's adjacent, but not quite whichI do appreciate this one. They just
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have like an underground cavern and liketo saran wrap people and see like it's
quite a whimsical really there more tastefavor. Yeah with that, yeah,
I don't understand. So okay,So the setup of this this episode is
New York City. Women, childrenpeople are are going missing because of underground
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raves, and we have a coldopen where we have the funniest like actress
in this entire show. Oh Iwish you were here, right, say
that whole setup of them walking intothat place. First of all, no,
never, oh good, never knowwhat I am through there. But
they walk all the way there.Her boyfriend's filming the whole thing because you
know, lost it. And theyget there and the bouncer and you know,
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the lizard bouncer is like, nah, not allowed it to the boyfriend,
and so she's like, I'm justgonna your camera, you can get
I love it without you, andhe just leaves because he's not allowed to
go. It doesn't wait, doesn'tanything. He just straight why He's just
like, oh man, limb.But what do you think though? You
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know when when she walked into thatroom where the rave was and there was
nobody else. It was just aroom with flashing lights. It didn't look
like there was very much of anybodyelse in there. In ice cream socials
with poor people, yeah it was. Oh the setup is so strange because
then all of a sudden she's dancing, talking into the camera and then she's
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just being suffocated with a bag overher head. Which hey, they played
that pretty well. It was probablyone of the only like in the last
hour of many episodes of this,probably one of the more legitimately creepy things
that has happened in an episode.Yeah, i'll give I'll give you that.
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You're not wrong. However, whatdoes this have to do with this
lizard people are doing it though?It's got footinge braw. I guess we
see what they've got. Like shinyeyes is kind of like the indicator for
the most you're not looking at themthrough the right eyes. Like bro that
line. Oh, I actually didnot mind this episode because it was so
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ludicrous that it just made my day. Honestly, have you guys ever seen
a dinosauroid? Have you ever seenthose before? Okay, that's what this.
The lizards in this episode looked likethat, like weird dinosauroid thing.
I don't like. I don't understanda couple things. Lizard people like this
has never been told this way.They're like mole people in this episode,
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right, yeah, so why whynot just do mole people? Why?
Why do wow? Why do anyof this? I was so exasperated by
this show. Is there a gentwell, I guess molti people is nine.
Guys are just missing a whole point. There have always been reptilian things
in New York's, like underground wego, Oh my god, a super
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Mario Brothers movie. I'm sorry,gang, we're just in super Mario levels.
All right, what if that wasit? These are goombas, Thank
you very much. God. DennisHopper shows up Monkey monkeys, that is
Denis Hopper will show up as bowseras king Koopa. What was the bouser
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to that underground rave man, that'swhere you have to get the super boots.
God, it's and okay, sowe have the cold open and then
lo and behold Maggie. What don'twe get again for like the fucking humpteenth
time this season? We don't getthe Enigma Corporation again? No? Yeah,
once again an easy insert too right. Two cops go into the sewers.
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In fact, it probably would havebeen the same like two that we
got in the very beginning, whereit's whatever Stacey and Brent going names.
Oh Tanner Noble, thank you?Okay, no, no, no,
Tanner Noble noted that was the guywho died. It was Noel Connor and
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at least Mooney Mooney, that's right. I remember. It was something that
made me think of killer clowns becausethey won't make stem me out of me
there's always so good. I don'tknow why they where. There's no Enigma
Corporation anything in here, but thatthey're the two detectives are dispatched to go
and find the lizard people and thesewers and so to do that or to
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find out where the raves are Iguess. So. Uh So they go
and they find Spike. Yeah,I love it. It's so obvious and
amazing. So so Spike is apromoter for the lizard raves and Spike and
they go to the Bronze. Yeah, I don't. It's such a weird
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idea for an episode, right,because the lizard people are what are they?
They're just a list, Yeah,and they're just abducting teens, like
throughout it, we get, youknow, just eating them snippets of Oh,
teens are going missing, and we'regonna blame rape culture on it,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But actually it's the lizard people that
were doing it. It's the Lizardpeople and five other people that won't stop
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showing up to these underground ways.They're the bait. They're like, well
we have to have somebody. We'lljust make some close friends and we'll just
kill its. Yeah, that's createThat's what I don't get here, Like,
what is the what is the goalhere? Are they killing teenagers to
eat them? That's why I wouldFiger I thought so, yeah, because
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I mean during the Animal Facts portionof the show, they were just giving
us facts about reptiles in their vanderismsand considering that they're predatory, and they
made like distinct and like points beinglike, oh, with their skins,
like they can move fast, they'vegot power. It's like I would assume
that they're just trying to like indicatetheir saran wrapping teens to pull for you
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know, more than just practical groupsof gaffes. Yeah, and they talk
about the Komodo dragon where it's alwayswritten where they are like, oh,
they're ambush type hunters, so theyset up these you know, traps,
and even if they're not hungry,they'll still you know, like go after
prey just for the hell of it. Once they catch them, they don't
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let them go. So it's verylike, Okay, they're they're lizard people
in the most literal way you couldthink of them as like they act like
they live underground and they purely justhunt people, and that's they are the
lizard from Spider Man. Yeah,yeah, right, they like to causeplay
is lizards and that's that. Arethey in this? Are they reptile humans
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or are they reptiles? I thinkthey're humanoids. Okay, it's just weird,
right, or wear clothes they haveof their own. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know, because they bemen. Yeah, they mentioned like
the alien aspect of it, soI think they're doing the classic Loss Tapes
vague wash of or it's like,well it's up to you, which honestly
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is a good approach considering they've beenoverly specific in the past, like three
episodes. Yeah, but I feellike if they're going to do reptilians,
this was a really weird way todo it, almost like this is the
only way they could do it.Well, I mean they had to tiptoe
around the conspiracy theory aspect, right, because conspiracy theory aspect of it,
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it's heavily heavily political and you're droppingit. Yeah. So while you know,
previous episode that we all talked abouthad a little bit of a slant
military military wise, they're not goingto go full bore into heavily political conspiracy
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theory world, and so they chosea cryptid that's not a cryptid and had
to basically make something up, ignorewhat and more or less ignore what already
exists because what already exists. Again, it is like you mentioned for the
show, Well, it's kind ofproblematic depending on the direction you go,
but the fact that it's I meanagain fucking doing an Alex Jones impersonation should
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give you an idea of how problematiclizard people can get. Right. They
took the sheer fact that they're takingover as just that, and it's like
we're in like the Lesser Lizard,like on The Lizard Person totem Pole.
They're not going for Washington, dC. And they're just going for like
New York. This feels like thesetup feels like an X Files episode,
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Yeah, a little bit, Yeah, sure, where it's a Monster of
the Week. Mulder and Skelly goto like Seattle because there's a bunch of
kids that have gone missing. Butthere's rumor of like, ooh, this
weird underground club and the people thatrun it have you know, might be
lizard people. And then we goto the Rave Club and we find the
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teams like you know, so aroundapted poles and you know, Mulder and
Skelly shoot everybody in the place.But X Files oddly violent show. I
never see the got out of alot of those cryptids don't survive those encounters
with the FBI's duo very very frequently, they don't. The ones that do
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never come back ever comes off.That's fair. Also, to be fair,
the X Files, similarly to thisshow, really bungled the big Cryptids,
Like there are not a lot ofgood episodes of The X Files featuring
the big ee Cryptids, like chuopa Cabra. That episode's fucking joke,
The Jersey Devil episode equally a fuckingjoke, and then episode that might be
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the only one, but that alsohas like a weird like anti climax thing
it does, but is very muchlike a Molder Scully Bond episode. And
sure for it. So that's fair. Give me the drama and just want
sexual tension. I just want abetter Fiji Mermaid episode. Please, It's
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like moonlighting, but they worked forthe FBI. Fuck That would make so
many fans of the show. Myself, I don't care, but fans of
the show would hate that comparison butin those later seasons it kind of starts
going. It's like, well therewon't they like, fuck, you would
have fucked by now five times over? Come on, right, and then
I have a kid together. Itturns out to be an alien, yes,
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or a be and maybe they werea lizard person. Yeah, yes,
they were a be from the secondYeah, like that's what the xmiles
ever do? Reptiles U There werea fewer. One was like a like
an amphibious man, but the AmphibiousMan like that title. It was like
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picture just like the circus poster ofthe amphibious mask. Yeah not not even
it's Phineas the Amphibious Man. Pleasegott to create that, AYI next?
Please? Yeah? That that AIcould do anything at this point. Give
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it some give it, give itsome direction, and it'll it'll it'll surprise
you from what I've heard. Man, Maybe that's how they wrote this reptilian
episode. It was just early AI, so it only had so much to
work with. While the writing onesare terrible, I'm sure the ones that
were only fed purely like early twothousands information would be trash fires. So
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I don't think they'd give it.I don't think they've given up on this
show, but I definitely think thatwhere we are now is essentially unrecognizable,
right they have if just it's weirdthat this is how this show concludes is
with reptilians. Yeah, the topic'sweird, but I think it is quite
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on point, at least for thelast episode. I don't think this was
the best episode of the season necessarily, but this one, if I mean,
I'll definitely be thinking about it.It had decent visuals and they did
actually show parts of the creature atthis time, which, thank you,
That's all I want in life.Well, I'm sure David Ike likes this
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episode a lot. Yeah, orfucking the reptiles. I just it's weird
that they would even approach reptiles becauseof the overwhelmingly problematic association with people like
David Ike, who you know,believes they're all, you know, secret
lizard Jews or whatever the fuck likethat. Why why you would get this
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close to that is very strange tome at least. Right, of all
the ways to end this show,wouldn't it been better to end it with
like, I don't know, theLocknest monster, right, yeah? But
or big or Bigfoot again or evenwait for the moth now until the end,
just aliens in general, dude,the Alemann's Life bro Right, I
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would say that my expectation was thatthis was going to be the alien reptiles,
and that's why they left it tothe end, because if it had
been the alien reptiles, then I'mthen I'm on board with why they've waited,
because it's like, you're gonna dothe big granddaddy dumbass conspiracy, which
is cryptid adjacent, like there's nota you know, secret bigfoots running the
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world thing. There's only one ofthese, right, it's reptile people.
So it kind of I mean,in reality, we can you know,
Jess, I know we talked aboutearly on with the show. We didn't
want to give those kinds of insaneo conspiracy theories a platform, which is
why we've never talked about reptiles becauseit verges on that very easily. But
it kind of is like the bigconspiracy with cryptids, like the far reaching
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one, because like bigfoot lockedness,like those those are what like isolated to
one area, right, like Lucknesscan't. I'm not worried about the locknest
monster here. I'm in fucking Lincoln, Naska. But like you, you'd
stay out of that one unlock.You're fine, right, But with reptilians,
at least that conspiracy theory version ofit, it's like, well,
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they're in control and there's nothing wecan do about it, which is scary,
but like again, it's so fuckingcuckoo bananas right. At least there
are fun parts about it where it'slike go on YouTube and like, oh,
look at the way the eyes moved, Like, oh my god,
these people waiting much time on theirhands. But when it goes through the
kind of racially motivated lens is whenit becomes a very big problem. You
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know, when you start talking aboutthe Rothschilds and reptilians, it's like pump
your brakes right, like now,Ryan, Yeah, Like, oh,
we were having a fun conversation untilwe weren't. All of a sudden you
had to ruin it with saying thatthe space lasers in the sky are causing
California wildfires or whatever. Fucking insaneshit people say these things, right,
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It's just I don't know, like, of all the things to do,
I guess it makes sense that thisis what they would do. I guess
it's kind of a bummer that theydidn't just do that like that the head
of the Enigma Corporation wasn't like areptile in the end, that kind of
thing. That's what that was thetwist. But I was expecting if they
bothered to keep up with the thingthey did and the thing that they introduced
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specifically for this season, Like seeingthe lineup at the beginning of the season
and knowing that it was ending ona reptile episode, It's like, oh,
yeah, they're probably gearing it up. There's setting these little steps up
so that you know, it treadsout whoa Nigma Corps really collecting the lost
tape, so that no one knowsthat there were cryptids in the first place.
I was thinking the same thing,by the way, I was like,
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why are we doing this show's jobfor it? What the fuck?
It's so disappointing. It's inspiring,though, you can just keep thinking about
it. All we have to dois just bring this show back. I
know, I know, we justtalked too much smack. I just don't.
I just don't think. Well,here's the thing, I don't think
any of our criticisms of the showhave ever verged outside of like legitimate I
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think for the most part, ifyou were to sit down with the people
who watched this show and we triedto get a hold of them and they
said they would talk to us,but they never did. But the door
is always open, the offer isalways on the table. I'm just nothing
to be sorry about. A lotof these episodes, at least in this
season, have really given up thespirit of this show. And that's the
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complaint. Almost entirely this season forme, has been the spirit of what
made this show great has been lostbecause they wanted to tell different stories,
but those stories didn't have to betold in such a drastically different way.
And some of these are just likethe Q Serpent God one, like God,
what were you thinking? What isgoing on now? One at least
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stands out in my mind out ofthe episodes that existed in this season alone,
and it's like, well that wasinteresting, but I learned more about
Mormons than I wanted to do.And then it's like Reptilian and it's like,
Okay, yeah, I guess thisis an alternate way of going about
Reptiles. Man still going and youknow, welcome to it? Is it
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like outside of your building. Itwas damn. If you want to repeat
what you said, you probably should. Oh, as if I were everyone
wants you said. Yeah, Bro, the trains going, Man, the
train's going. That mile mark isback. No, I'm never going to
repeat that sentence again for the restof my life. I can tell you
everything about Eta, often short storiesright now and he but no, I
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don't remember the last thing said.Sorry, Chris. Is when when we
talk about TV shows, which we'vetalked about TV shows and we watched TV
the three of Us two, weoften are left with the last impression that's
made is the way where we rememberthe show looking at you, Game of
Thrones looking at you, Dexter lookingat you, X Files? Does looking
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at you every latter half of Americaor sy Does that ring true for lost
tapes as well? Does this lastseason, this last episode really sink any
value that the show ultimately hadn't?I don't think so. But this last
season is really tough to get.I mean I would just say watch the
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first season and check out a fewepisodes of the second season and then just
pretend the third season doesn't exist.Fair. I mean, this one was
rough. I don't think this lastepisode was like the worst sendoff. I
think this is one of the fewepisodes that is closer to how the earlier
format was. Definitely had more ofthe animal facts, which I always give
a gold star for the attempt.It just doesn't have the same tone.
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It grew in a different direction,which is fair. They were trying out
different stuff and it didn't work,and sometimes these hair brain schemes do that.
I can at least appreciate that theythrew it out, for sure.
I don't think this is like abad note to end on. It's just
very strange and questionable, and it'sfine. Like well, I was not
really prepared for how much then ofthe zombie episode would inform the rest of
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the show's run, because once thatepisode airs and when we watched it,
like it was so different from anythingelse that we had seen with this show
that it I wasn't expecting it toreally just be well, this is the
tone of the show now, Ohmy god. So this episode at the
end, it's a better version ofthat zombie episode. I will say that
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much. I think that I don'tknow where you would come down on this,
Maggie, But for this season,this may be the best of these
kinds of episodes. I was aboutto say the ones that stand out in
my mind for the third season isobviously this one, but that doesn't count
for too much. I just watchedit. But also on the boat one
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with the giant Octus, that onewasn't the worst that I've seen. What
was the best water episode that theyever did? Agreed? And that was
one where they didn't try to shootWren in the enigma cor recomplicant things.
I would say the Quanzocoal episode wasmemorable, but definitely not for the same
reasons that the Octuas episode was betterexecuted under less resources. I would say,
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by you, Jess, you kindof came back to this in the
third season of these episodes that yousaw, where did where? Where?
Where does this season episodes rank foryou? Which is the best one you
saw? Well? This one isbetter than the last one? Agree?
Yeah, I think that this,But like I said, I think that
I'm going to give this one extrapoints for having, you know, at
least a moderately creepy setup that's youknow, more interesting than the other setups
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that I obviously don't remember right well, and and some and you know again,
it kind of is more of aserial killer episode than like a reptile
or a lizard thing. Yeah,you just have people getting asphyxiated and hung
up and murdered. It's like thembeing lizards is kind of incidental, frankly,
right, what is them being lizardsactually have any bare on the plot.
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They're not shape shifters like they're youknow, that's the thing about oh,
you know, Hillary Clinton or BarackObama or whoever the fuck is a
lizard like, they're all they're shapeshifted like that's the whole thing. There's
none of that here. They eventalk about it. They have talking heads
bring it up. Yeah, they'rejust literally lizards with human features, like
human bodies with lizards. I don'tknow, it's very weird. They,
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like you said, Jess, theyreally wanted it to be lizard people period.
Yes. Yeah, the bear likewhat to the literal definition of a
humanoid lizard person that acts purely uponlizard brain? Yep. And I guess
all they do is throw raves andkill people. Yeah, and gate Keith,
I mean, you're all those flashfires. Well, that's the thing about
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this episode is the way that thesecharacters are painted because they kind of take
the more bombastic and wild parts awayfrom the reptilian creature. It could have
they could have been zombies, theycould have been vampires, they could have
been whatever. Franklyly it them beingreptiles is really incidental. Like we see
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a tail a couple of times,but that's it. Like, I don't
know what. What a kind ofweird way to end a weird show.
Yeah, I still appreciate it.I still really like to know deep in
my heart that the New York canonthat anything subterranean is just rife with people.
Well, if for this show,that may be the case. Yeah
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and Jason, Yeah, all thesubterranean creatures hanging out underneath New York.
Yeah, they just don't show upto the raves. It's kind of sad.
That's the only people that show upare the humans. They're turned away
the chut Yeah, what's chut uptoo? So he was there? That
was very shuddly episode of Lost.Yeah what if it was chuds instead,
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Like you got it wrong? Thatwould be too. I mean again,
them being lizards are so incidental.It doesn't matter what they are. They're
just killing people underground, Okay,Like why not? So uh. I
guess to bring this all to aclose, Maggie, did you have a
favorite episode of this show? Youknew I was gonna ask. Oh,
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yeah, you know, and I'vejust been sitting here being like, oh
geez, there's so many whack assmoments that I just cherished in my heart.
I think Alman of man and mightbe up there because that has like
just a slew of amazing quotes thatjust roll around in my head, like
get to the altar, it's theholiest place in the church. Like,
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ah, I love that logic.I also didn't mind the uh oh man.
The Mothman episode was so bizarre,but I did appreciate what they tried.
That was probably the furthest they stucktheir neck out on the chopping block,
but I appreciated that one the biggeststretch of all the episodes was the
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Mothman one. Oh, I know, such a stretch, but you know,
they actually like took it to heart, like no they need video evidence
that makes sense for the time.It was so weird. But I think
almanavan In might might be one ofmy standout favorites, just because that was
one I didn't previously know too muchabout. And though it was an absolutely
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nutty and ludicrous setup, it wasjust so so strange. I appreciated the
crap out of that finding the giantowl pellet the steeple, like get out
of town. Yeah, what aboutyou, Jess? Now, Like I
still like the cubicab one. Istill think that it was probably the creepiest
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out of the bunge, for like, in context of being a kid,
So I thought child alone in adesert because of the cubicaverric yilled it's Paris.
I mean, I will say thefirst episode of this show is a
very strong showing for a for acryptid that effectively really has not got a
lot of that kind of you know, I guess characterization before. There's very
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few things where it's like Cheopacabra isthe main focus. And when I think
of the chuop of Icabra, Ihonestly think of the Lost Tapes episode,
which is wild to me, Likethat's what I think about when I think
of the chep of Kabra is thefamily with the video camera and the coyotes
taking him through the desert. Yeah, I actually I agree with you,
Maggie. I think the Death Raptorepisode is my favorite because the Owlman of
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Mannan is a phrase that kicks aroundin my head a lot for no reason.
And yeah, that shot of theguy pulling a fucking whole human skull
and like jaw out of a owlpellet is just there's very few things as
funny as that because the show playsit so at that point the show is
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playing it's super straight. So ohyeah, and it's like weird because the
owl man is like a thing inthe UK, but it's in California for
whatever fucking reason. Yeah, it'slike a nineties four or movie. It's
like they just really jumped the sharkon it. But yeah, stuck with
it. Honestly, I think thefirst season of the show for me is
just like most of those episodes havesome value, but when we get to
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the second season, it's just,you know, they started it out with
Vampire and that's not a cryptosh.That were Wolf episode was oh my,
oh yeah, oh talk about anx an X Files episode, like that
could have been an episode of theX Files. Gosh, that wasn't like
an episode of Cops. Chris was, well, it reminds me. I
think I have mentioned it when wetalked about it reminds me of that X
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Files X Cops episode. Oh god, yeah, that's right, it's I
don't know that. The second seasonof the show is very strange, but
then the third season is just it'salmost like it's a completely different show and
it should have just been a spinoffof Lost Tapes and which again could have
worked, should have worked. Ithink this show still could work, Ryan,
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Like, is Animal Planet creating narrativebased content? Probably not a lot.
Why not just revitalize this. Thesecreatures are all, like, you
know, open free, they're opensource creatures, like they're folk lored domain
right right, Like the Mothman isa thing like you don't owe anybody.
Oh, you don't owe Richard Adamanything if you make moth friends. Yeah,
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even if you want some of it. So so I was one.
Okay, So obviously we've been talkingabout how NeSSI didn vehrance, But I
am personally curious about which cryptid youwere hoping to see or we're thinking you'd
see that we didn't get a chanceto because I thought that they would do
a Gnomes episode. But I guessGnomes were just terrifying to me and YouTube
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populous circle like two thousand and six. I don't know. Well, I
was surprised we never got like adinosaur in the jungle thing, like you
know, you know what I'm talkingabout. There's that's like a very popular
one. Dunby even did an episodeof that. I mean that for me
is a bit surprise, because that'sanother kind of large one. I mean
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they did cover for the most part. I would say they covered everything,
right, at least the more wellknown ones, right, like Mokelly and
Bembe, Like that's one of thebig ones. But like I guess Loveland
Frog, like I don't know,like that could make a case for that
one, right, well, consideringthey brought up so many of like the
behemoth animals that already existed that theythought would be like transferable, like well
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it exists, now, what doyou think it's like, Like, dinosaurs
would be the obvious one, ButI maybe there would be too many complications
of what narratives they would be ableto do that wouldn't be direct Jurassic Park
rip boss. That's fair, Oha lot, that's very fair. I
hadn't thought about that. How dowe not rip off one of the biggest
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movies in the last decade. Shit, I don't know, man, can
they all rape? I forget theraving dinosaur? I do. I do
feel like for the most part though, like they covered all the bases.
I think the issue for me wasjust the way the way that they did
some of them was not great.Like sure Bigfoot was relegated to the first
season in a rather just okay episode. I think the bigger issue for me
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is they is they invented stuff asopposed to like Oklahoma octopus oo or megaalanea.
I mean, you were talking aboutthat, but that's like that's a
dinosaur, Like that's not a it'snot even a crypt it existed. Yeah,
although I'll give them credit for sorry, drag races rife in our town,
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but uh living the set of Americangraffiti, yes, yeah, absolutely,
even plastic bags blowing in the breeze. Wow Jesus. But so I
give them credit for like doing thehistorical big creatures and theory, because yeah,
sure it's a bit of a coppaconsidering just how many urban legends and
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cryptids there are. But but whatmade the first season eerie to me is
the animal facts and how it wasframed so well, because if you were
a little kid watching this and you'regetting all of these animal facts and like
scientists talking about these sightings and shit, yeah, that's scary as hell.
For a lot of the latter season, you don't necessarily get convinced half as
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well that they could exist. Infact, I think we even stopped like
asking each other at the end ofepisodes, do you think this exists?
Where we're just like, of course, what is this? I mean at
some point it's like, all right, you're talking about zombies like they don't
exist, right, right? Right? Yeah? I mean, ultimately,
I think that the big takeaways forme with this show were the bungling of
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the water episodes, which were almostbungled completely. Outside of the Kraken episode,
which is the best of the waterepisodes, which is probably one of
the bright spots of the final seasonof the show, the crack An episode
is pretty good. Yeah, thatone would be like second season tier in
my mind. It did. Theydid a decent job, and it was
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creative enough, and they like,you see the creature while still obstructing it
in a clever way and not anannoying whoa shaky kumway, right, which
is what they end up just likeleaning on in the third season so insanely
are too much. But then theother kind of takeaways are them creating things
like the Devil monkey, like theOklahoma Octopus like it. Those serve no
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purpose other than filler episodes. Andif you needed to fill episodes with stuff,
there are creatures they did not have. There are things they could have
done, Like you said, no, I don't know how they didn't do
a gnomes episode or trolls or somethingis hell sorry, those are like it's
so dumb to me that the weirdestthings will like get under my skin.
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Is creepy. But like those stupidYouTube gnome videos, it's like no,
no, no, no for thelittle kids that were talking about a mutual
sighting of seeing gnomes in little tinycars chasing them obviously big, but I'm
like sweating, Like he's been readinga lot of our slash paranormal recently,
dude, I've been on a stint. Well. And the other thing about
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this show is by the end ofthe show, they've also established in this
universe the Devil exists, because rememberthere was the Spectral Black Dog episode.
It's it's so weird. They openedup doors and directions that they never went
they never went back down, thatthey never did an exorcism episode, which
again that how that never happened isa good question, because they did Spectral
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Black Dog, they did hell Hounds, so I don't I don't know that
that's one of the ones. I'msurprised that they didn't lean on an exorcism
episode. Ryan. By the endof this show, it would I would
not have been surprised. I wouldhave been like, this kind of makes
sense, all right, No,because they've been doing anything under the Sun
cryptids. Plus, yeah, thethird season is really just like whatever the
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hell we want. So so onthat note, Maggie, your final thoughts
on Lost Tapes The show A man. I mean, it's one that I
didn't grow up with, oddly enough, because I didn't have cable. I
was busy watching Arthur apparently. ButI enjoyed going through this from beginning to
end. It was amazing to seethe development for better or worse. But
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the initial idea is just so strong. I'm tickled that this existed, especially
during that time where I think theywere really experimental with what media would draw
more people to Animal Planet. Itwasn't just the thing that they were known
for when I was like a littlelittle kid, which is like essentially zoom
Books as a TV show. Butit was a good hybrid, very worthy
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experiment. The results at the endburied, but it was entertaining. I
don't think I'm going to trade backthe time, except for maybe a few
episodes were well at least those episodesare only like eighteen minutes long, so
oh exactly, and I could makefun of them anyway, So it's like
I find trade offs. What aboutyou. Jes's final thoughts on last tage.
I mean, I obviously did notwatch as much as you guys did.
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I was not following along religiously watchingevery episode. But but no,
I'm in agreement. I like thatthe show exists, that it was a
thing, that it had a place, and that you know, there were
somehow it did get escaped my radar. But I think it must have just
been a little bit too after Ihad, you know, moved out of
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the Animal Planet watching time. Butyeah, it was entertaining for the most
part. Again, as as theshow hit towards the end, things started
to get man, as we've said, But yeah, it's a fine show.
I would not suggest watching all ofit, Like if if there are
specific cryptids you want to like lookup and check them out, do it.
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I don't think that you need towatch every episode, though I would
agree with both of y'all. Ithink that this I think that this show
is an interesting, interesting idea thatthey did rather well at a time where
things like this were not in voguelike they are now, and they won't
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be in vogue always. I mean, there was a big thing in the
seventies, and then they dropped inthe eighties, and then kind of in
the nineties, but that's thanks tothe X Files, and then it dropped
again for almost twenty years, andthen now we're kind of back into Bigfoot
and cryptids and weird stuff and theparanormal and supernatural, and that stuff's never
been bigger than it is right now, and next time it happens it will
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be even bigger than this time,because it just keeps building. But something
like this had a place then,something like this has a place now.
I think if somebody did something likethis right now on the right network,
fucking Animal Planet, even it wouldkill people would be into it if it
was done right, and if thepeople who were doing the show liked,
and I will give credit to thepeople who did the show. Their hearts
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were in the right place. Maybenot at the end. But again,
like we've already kind of mentioned,most shows by the end of it aren't
going to be great. They're goingto complay, especially if they're semi narrative
based or even narrative based. Theyhave a long way to fall, and
they can fall very quickly. Andwe've seen We've seen better shows than this
fall further than this show fell inits three seasons, and I've seen shows
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fall in the span of one goddamnseason. So as bad as this show
has gotten, it's not terrible init Holistically it's not terrible. And again
I mean the fact that it's allabout cryptids, Like who doesn't love that.
They could have done more cryptids,They could have done cooler ideas with
the cryptids. They could have putmore time and effort into redoing a couple
of these scripts Draft two or threemaybe as opposed to one or two.
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But you know, I think overall, it's a fun show. It's an
interesting show. I have to putmy stamp as the one who thought we
should do this, So any goodor bad is going to have to sit
on my head, and I thinkoverall it was a fun experience rewatching because
I hadn't seen some of this laterstuff. Even so, it's nice to
finally have seen the show. I'veseen it all. I don't like Jess,
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like you said, I don't needto rewatch every episode. There are
a couple episodes that are good thatare worth revisiting, and they we've mentioned
them already. But for the mostpart, like any anthology show tales from
the Crypt, Twilight Zone, anyof the iterations of the Twilight Zone,
there are not going to be alot of amazing episodes. They're going to
be a fair amount of good episodes, but a fair amount of shitty episodes
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too, because you know, withtwilights on, there's like seventy or eighty
episodes, so not all of themare killed. Not all of them kill,
just like not all these episodes killed, but a lot of them do,
at least in the first season.In the first season is fourteen episodes,
so it's not an insignificant amount tobegin with the first season. But
yeah, I think that this wasan interesting show. I would like to
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see somebody do something with it now. That's more like, my big takeaway
is like, somebody do something withthis, because anthology shows are kind of
also back in vogue again, andyou know with stuff like you mentioned American
Horror Story, Jess, so youknow, like you said, I mean
it's it's This is an anthology show, ultimately at its core, for good
and for bad, and it embodiesthe positives and negatives of being an anthology
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show. So and bluck ness,motherfuckers. You can do it next time,
next time, do it? Yeah, one comeback episode, Do one
good water episode, like please,because God just a deluge of awful water
episodes. So please. So onthat note, Maggie, we have decided
on what we're doing for the nextversion of this for scary stories we tell
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all right, and what is thatshow? Oh gosh, are we doing
a Thousand Ways to Die? Ithink so, oh my god, all
right, I will I will primemyself for that one. Because I watched
one episode. I'm like, well, shit, it is a weird.
It's another show that is very oddfor when it existed. Uh, Thousand
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Ways to Die was a Spike TVshow. It a rated air rated by
Ron Pearlman yep, which was Icompletely forgot Ron Pearlman is the narrator.
But it's also like an insanely strangeit's it's a it's like a micro anthology
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show. Yeah, I don't knowhow else to describe it. It's an
anthology show. But then like eachepisode is an anthology in and of itself,
so great, a collection of terriblethings that happened. But man,
being a kid and seeing those episodes, it sticks with you. Yeah,
yeah, And I am really excitedto rewatch it. I have watched one
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episode and I forgot how much ofa fucking trip it is. And I
didn't watch anymore because I wanted torewatch it cold. I only ever really
saw it, like just randomly,like I never went out of my way
to watch it. So that's whatwe're gonna be talking about when we come
back with this, and we're gonnabe talking about Yeah two two thousand and
eight to twenty twelve, Spike TV, one thousand Ways to Die Jesus.
(44:07):
So until then, where could peoplefind you on the internet? Jess?
You can find me on Instagram atwriter Jess Byer. You can find me
on TikTok it's the same name,and you can find me on episodes of
the Culture Cast with Chris and theother show we did called One Season Show,
and that's pretty much the main place. By you, Maggie, you
(44:28):
can find me at one place,in one place only. It is Dolin
Museum Dot. It's true. AndI think when we started this you didn't
have Dolan Museum, and now youdo. Know this is true, and
by the time we get through aThousand Ways to Die, I might not
have the museum. Wow. Asfor me, you can find me at
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weirding Way Media, which is thepodcast network that the projection booths Mike White
and I set up for all thepodcasts that we work on together and the
podcast that our friends make. Soif you like good shows that you're gonna
want to listen to all of them, that's where you and go and could
God, there's a lot of fuckingshit to listen to, guys, like
thousands of episodes worth, so you'vegot plenty of time, or maybe you
(45:10):
don't. I don't know, maybeyou're on your deathbed listening to this isn't
that dark and awful? Which thankyou. If you're sticking around series oh
boy, yeah, yeah, ifyou're if you're rid of your if you're
death Averse. The next series maynot be your bags. Just a warning
right out of the gate, Souh and uh yeah. As always,
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Maggie, thank you so much forthe album, artwork for the show,
get to thank you in person,and to Dustin Rutledge for the Campfire Stories
episodes. As always, you canfind Blondeo that's Alex Malnax band who does
the music for us on Spotify.Just search blondo and we'll let our good
friend, the former host of Sidings, mister Tim White, lead us out.
No mystery is closed to an openmind.
These are the creatures science refuses torecognize. If our eyes see it,
if our cameras capture it, doesn'texist. Do you believe? Do you
believe in life after love? Yeah? Hello, I don't know what I
believe in other than I believe.Again, I believe. I believe.
(01:06):
This is an episode of Scary Stories. We tell I am still your os
Chris Tashu, and I am joinedby one of the other hosts of this
show, your friend and mine jesFired Hello. And to round out this
Lost Tapes rewatch, Maggie showed upabout what halfway through the first season.
All right you I think like afterfour episodes. Yeah, so, Maggie,
(01:26):
you're here to help bring the showhome. I know it's been a
long journey. It feels like graduation, only with like a cold slap to
the face, just scally slap tothe No. I guess the tracks for
like high school graduation. I didfeel like, Wow, I got a
piece of paper. You're gonna say, scaly slapper, Yes, yeah,
(01:47):
No, this is a way bettergraduation. I must say. At least
this had like a really laughably sadrave party underground, a really cool seeming
party. I don't know about y'all. Oh yeah, right, I wish
you would here, Yeah, flashinglights in my pace. Bye God Jesus.
So yeah, on this episode ofthe Lost Tapes Chronicles, we are
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ending this little mini show within theshow that we've been doing with a look
at the tenth and final episode ofthe third season of Animal Planets Last Tape,
aptly titled Reptilian All about Yes,you guessed it, the lizard People,
ladies and gentlemen. I know lately. Sorry, this is a family
program, but the lizard people aretaking over. They're turning the Animal planet.
(02:35):
Kay. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, go buy my whatever toot paste
that prevents covid. Jesus, whatthe show? The show got us ready
last episode for where it was goingthis episode, it's like, all right,
we're going to introduce you to themilitia, guys who believe in the
reptility. At least they do nowGod right? Oh lord, So yeah,
(03:00):
we're gonna be talking about the finalepisode titled Reptilians all about Reptilian humanoids,
otherwise known as that's the thing here, folks. This is not a
cryptid no, this yeah, makessense that this show would end this way
at this point, why right,I mean, unless we take it in
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the purely like lizard alien person,is that like as NV, like you
know, like the B style,like the V style really purely alien but
just happened to be you know,lizard based. I don't know. I
don't know, Like that's the questionthough, because the lizard people that we're
(03:44):
talking about, there's an episode ofJesse vent Toure's conspiracy theory on those lizard
people, which are the conspiracy youknow, Prince Prince Edward or you know
Obama is a lizard or whatever thefuck? Right, right, That is
what my expectation was through this episode. It's not that though, No,
it's adjacent, but not quite whichI do appreciate this one. They just
(04:08):
have like an underground cavern and liketo saran wrap people and see like it's
quite a whimsical really there more tastefavor. Yeah with that, yeah,
I don't understand. So okay,So the setup of this this episode is
New York City. Women, childrenpeople are are going missing because of underground
(04:30):
raves, and we have a coldopen where we have the funniest like actress
in this entire show. Oh Iwish you were here, right, say
that whole setup of them walking intothat place. First of all, no,
never, oh good, never knowwhat I am through there. But
they walk all the way there.Her boyfriend's filming the whole thing because you
know, lost it. And theyget there and the bouncer and you know,
(04:54):
the lizard bouncer is like, nah, not allowed it to the boyfriend,
and so she's like, I'm justgonna your camera, you can get
I love it without you, andhe just leaves because he's not allowed to
go. It doesn't wait, doesn'tanything. He just straight why He's just
like, oh man, limb.But what do you think though? You
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know when when she walked into thatroom where the rave was and there was
nobody else. It was just aroom with flashing lights. It didn't look
like there was very much of anybodyelse in there. In ice cream socials
with poor people, yeah it was. Oh the setup is so strange because
then all of a sudden she's dancing, talking into the camera and then she's
(05:35):
just being suffocated with a bag overher head. Which hey, they played
that pretty well. It was probablyone of the only like in the last
hour of many episodes of this,probably one of the more legitimately creepy things
that has happened in an episode.Yeah, i'll give I'll give you that.
(05:56):
You're not wrong. However, whatdoes this have to do with this
lizard people are doing it though?It's got footinge braw. I guess we
see what they've got. Like shinyeyes is kind of like the indicator for
the most you're not looking at themthrough the right eyes. Like bro that
line. Oh, I actually didnot mind this episode because it was so
(06:20):
ludicrous that it just made my day. Honestly, have you guys ever seen
a dinosauroid? Have you ever seenthose before? Okay, that's what this.
The lizards in this episode looked likethat, like weird dinosauroid thing.
I don't like. I don't understanda couple things. Lizard people like this
has never been told this way.They're like mole people in this episode,
(06:43):
right, yeah, so why whynot just do mole people? Why?
Why do wow? Why do anyof this? I was so exasperated by
this show. Is there a gentwell, I guess molti people is nine.
Guys are just missing a whole point. There have always been reptilian things
in New York's, like underground wego, Oh my god, a super
(07:04):
Mario Brothers movie. I'm sorry,gang, we're just in super Mario levels.
All right, what if that wasit? These are goombas, Thank
you very much. God. DennisHopper shows up Monkey monkeys, that is
Denis Hopper will show up as bowseras king Koopa. What was the bouser
(07:27):
to that underground rave man, that'swhere you have to get the super boots.
God, it's and okay, sowe have the cold open and then
lo and behold Maggie. What don'twe get again for like the fucking humpteenth
time this season? We don't getthe Enigma Corporation again? No? Yeah,
once again an easy insert too right. Two cops go into the sewers.
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In fact, it probably would havebeen the same like two that we
got in the very beginning, whereit's whatever Stacey and Brent going names.
Oh Tanner Noble, thank you?Okay, no, no, no,
Tanner Noble noted that was the guywho died. It was Noel Connor and
(08:11):
at least Mooney Mooney, that's right. I remember. It was something that
made me think of killer clowns becausethey won't make stem me out of me
there's always so good. I don'tknow why they where. There's no Enigma
Corporation anything in here, but thatthey're the two detectives are dispatched to go
and find the lizard people and thesewers and so to do that or to
(08:33):
find out where the raves are Iguess. So. Uh So they go
and they find Spike. Yeah,I love it. It's so obvious and
amazing. So so Spike is apromoter for the lizard raves and Spike and
they go to the Bronze. Yeah, I don't. It's such a weird
(08:54):
idea for an episode, right,because the lizard people are what are they?
They're just a list, Yeah,and they're just abducting teens, like
throughout it, we get, youknow, just eating them snippets of Oh,
teens are going missing, and we'regonna blame rape culture on it,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But actually it's the lizard people that
were doing it. It's the Lizardpeople and five other people that won't stop
(09:16):
showing up to these underground ways.They're the bait. They're like, well
we have to have somebody. We'lljust make some close friends and we'll just
kill its. Yeah, that's createThat's what I don't get here, Like,
what is the what is the goalhere? Are they killing teenagers to
eat them? That's why I wouldFiger I thought so, yeah, because
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I mean during the Animal Facts portionof the show, they were just giving
us facts about reptiles in their vanderismsand considering that they're predatory, and they
made like distinct and like points beinglike, oh, with their skins,
like they can move fast, they'vegot power. It's like I would assume
that they're just trying to like indicatetheir saran wrapping teens to pull for you
(10:00):
know, more than just practical groupsof gaffes. Yeah, and they talk
about the Komodo dragon where it's alwayswritten where they are like, oh,
they're ambush type hunters, so theyset up these you know, traps,
and even if they're not hungry,they'll still you know, like go after
prey just for the hell of it. Once they catch them, they don't
(10:20):
let them go. So it's verylike, Okay, they're they're lizard people
in the most literal way you couldthink of them as like they act like
they live underground and they purely justhunt people, and that's they are the
lizard from Spider Man. Yeah,yeah, right, they like to causeplay
is lizards and that's that. Arethey in this? Are they reptile humans
(10:45):
or are they reptiles? I thinkthey're humanoids. Okay, it's just weird,
right, or wear clothes they haveof their own. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know, because they bemen. Yeah, they mentioned like
the alien aspect of it, soI think they're doing the classic Loss Tapes
vague wash of or it's like,well it's up to you, which honestly
(11:05):
is a good approach considering they've beenoverly specific in the past, like three
episodes. Yeah, but I feellike if they're going to do reptilians,
this was a really weird way todo it, almost like this is the
only way they could do it.Well, I mean they had to tiptoe
around the conspiracy theory aspect, right, because conspiracy theory aspect of it,
(11:26):
it's heavily heavily political and you're droppingit. Yeah. So while you know,
previous episode that we all talked abouthad a little bit of a slant
military military wise, they're not goingto go full bore into heavily political conspiracy
(11:46):
theory world, and so they chosea cryptid that's not a cryptid and had
to basically make something up, ignorewhat and more or less ignore what already
exists because what already exists. Again, it is like you mentioned for the
show, Well, it's kind ofproblematic depending on the direction you go,
but the fact that it's I meanagain fucking doing an Alex Jones impersonation should
(12:11):
give you an idea of how problematiclizard people can get. Right. They
took the sheer fact that they're takingover as just that, and it's like
we're in like the Lesser Lizard,like on The Lizard Person totem Pole.
They're not going for Washington, dC. And they're just going for like
New York. This feels like thesetup feels like an X Files episode,
(12:33):
Yeah, a little bit, Yeah, sure, where it's a Monster of
the Week. Mulder and Skelly goto like Seattle because there's a bunch of
kids that have gone missing. Butthere's rumor of like, ooh, this
weird underground club and the people thatrun it have you know, might be
lizard people. And then we goto the Rave Club and we find the
(12:54):
teams like you know, so aroundapted poles and you know, Mulder and
Skelly shoot everybody in the place.But X Files oddly violent show. I
never see the got out of alot of those cryptids don't survive those encounters
with the FBI's duo very very frequently, they don't. The ones that do
(13:15):
never come back ever comes off.That's fair. Also, to be fair,
the X Files, similarly to thisshow, really bungled the big Cryptids,
Like there are not a lot ofgood episodes of The X Files featuring
the big ee Cryptids, like chuopa Cabra. That episode's fucking joke,
The Jersey Devil episode equally a fuckingjoke, and then episode that might be
(13:39):
the only one, but that alsohas like a weird like anti climax thing
it does, but is very muchlike a Molder Scully Bond episode. And
sure for it. So that's fair. Give me the drama and just want
sexual tension. I just want abetter Fiji Mermaid episode. Please, It's
(14:00):
like moonlighting, but they worked forthe FBI. Fuck That would make so
many fans of the show. Myself, I don't care, but fans of
the show would hate that comparison butin those later seasons it kind of starts
going. It's like, well therewon't they like, fuck, you would
have fucked by now five times over? Come on, right, and then
I have a kid together. Itturns out to be an alien, yes,
(14:20):
or a be and maybe they werea lizard person. Yeah, yes,
they were a be from the secondYeah, like that's what the xmiles
ever do? Reptiles U There werea fewer. One was like a like
an amphibious man, but the AmphibiousMan like that title. It was like
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picture just like the circus poster ofthe amphibious mask. Yeah not not even
it's Phineas the Amphibious Man. Pleasegott to create that, AYI next?
Please? Yeah? That that AIcould do anything at this point. Give
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it some give it, give itsome direction, and it'll it'll it'll surprise
you from what I've heard. Man, Maybe that's how they wrote this reptilian
episode. It was just early AI, so it only had so much to
work with. While the writing onesare terrible, I'm sure the ones that
were only fed purely like early twothousands information would be trash fires. So
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I don't think they'd give it.I don't think they've given up on this
show, but I definitely think thatwhere we are now is essentially unrecognizable,
right they have if just it's weirdthat this is how this show concludes is
with reptilians. Yeah, the topic'sweird, but I think it is quite
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on point, at least for thelast episode. I don't think this was
the best episode of the season necessarily, but this one, if I mean,
I'll definitely be thinking about it.It had decent visuals and they did
actually show parts of the creature atthis time, which, thank you,
That's all I want in life.Well, I'm sure David Ike likes this
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episode a lot. Yeah, orfucking the reptiles. I just it's weird
that they would even approach reptiles becauseof the overwhelmingly problematic association with people like
David Ike, who you know,believes they're all, you know, secret
lizard Jews or whatever the fuck likethat. Why why you would get this
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close to that is very strange tome at least. Right, of all
the ways to end this show,wouldn't it been better to end it with
like, I don't know, theLocknest monster, right, yeah? But
or big or Bigfoot again or evenwait for the moth now until the end,
just aliens in general, dude,the Alemann's Life bro Right, I
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would say that my expectation was thatthis was going to be the alien reptiles,
and that's why they left it tothe end, because if it had
been the alien reptiles, then I'mthen I'm on board with why they've waited,
because it's like, you're gonna dothe big granddaddy dumbass conspiracy, which
is cryptid adjacent, like there's nota you know, secret bigfoots running the
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world thing. There's only one ofthese, right, it's reptile people.
So it kind of I mean,in reality, we can you know,
Jess, I know we talked aboutearly on with the show. We didn't
want to give those kinds of insaneo conspiracy theories a platform, which is
why we've never talked about reptiles becauseit verges on that very easily. But
it kind of is like the bigconspiracy with cryptids, like the far reaching
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one, because like bigfoot lockedness,like those those are what like isolated to
one area, right, like Lucknesscan't. I'm not worried about the locknest
monster here. I'm in fucking Lincoln, Naska. But like you, you'd
stay out of that one unlock.You're fine, right, But with reptilians,
at least that conspiracy theory version ofit, it's like, well,
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they're in control and there's nothing wecan do about it, which is scary,
but like again, it's so fuckingcuckoo bananas right. At least there
are fun parts about it where it'slike go on YouTube and like, oh,
look at the way the eyes moved, Like, oh my god,
these people waiting much time on theirhands. But when it goes through the
kind of racially motivated lens is whenit becomes a very big problem. You
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know, when you start talking aboutthe Rothschilds and reptilians, it's like pump
your brakes right, like now,Ryan, Yeah, Like, oh,
we were having a fun conversation untilwe weren't. All of a sudden you
had to ruin it with saying thatthe space lasers in the sky are causing
California wildfires or whatever. Fucking insaneshit people say these things, right,
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It's just I don't know, like, of all the things to do,
I guess it makes sense that thisis what they would do. I guess
it's kind of a bummer that theydidn't just do that like that the head
of the Enigma Corporation wasn't like areptile in the end, that kind of
thing. That's what that was thetwist. But I was expecting if they
bothered to keep up with the thingthey did and the thing that they introduced
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specifically for this season, Like seeingthe lineup at the beginning of the season
and knowing that it was ending ona reptile episode, It's like, oh,
yeah, they're probably gearing it up. There's setting these little steps up
so that you know, it treadsout whoa Nigma Corps really collecting the lost
tape, so that no one knowsthat there were cryptids in the first place.
I was thinking the same thing,by the way, I was like,
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why are we doing this show's jobfor it? What the fuck?
It's so disappointing. It's inspiring,though, you can just keep thinking about
it. All we have to dois just bring this show back. I
know, I know, we justtalked too much smack. I just don't.
I just don't think. Well,here's the thing, I don't think
any of our criticisms of the showhave ever verged outside of like legitimate I
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think for the most part, ifyou were to sit down with the people
who watched this show and we triedto get a hold of them and they
said they would talk to us,but they never did. But the door
is always open, the offer isalways on the table. I'm just nothing
to be sorry about. A lotof these episodes, at least in this
season, have really given up thespirit of this show. And that's the
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complaint. Almost entirely this season forme, has been the spirit of what
made this show great has been lostbecause they wanted to tell different stories,
but those stories didn't have to betold in such a drastically different way.
And some of these are just likethe Q Serpent God one, like God,
what were you thinking? What isgoing on now? One at least
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stands out in my mind out ofthe episodes that existed in this season alone,
and it's like, well that wasinteresting, but I learned more about
Mormons than I wanted to do.And then it's like Reptilian and it's like,
Okay, yeah, I guess thisis an alternate way of going about
Reptiles. Man still going and youknow, welcome to it? Is it
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like outside of your building. Itwas damn. If you want to repeat
what you said, you probably should. Oh, as if I were everyone
wants you said. Yeah, Bro, the trains going, Man, the
train's going. That mile mark isback. No, I'm never going to
repeat that sentence again for the restof my life. I can tell you
everything about Eta, often short storiesright now and he but no, I
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don't remember the last thing said.Sorry, Chris. Is when when we
talk about TV shows, which we'vetalked about TV shows and we watched TV
the three of Us two, weoften are left with the last impression that's
made is the way where we rememberthe show looking at you, Game of
Thrones looking at you, Dexter lookingat you, X Files? Does looking
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at you every latter half of Americaor sy Does that ring true for lost
tapes as well? Does this lastseason, this last episode really sink any
value that the show ultimately hadn't?I don't think so. But this last
season is really tough to get.I mean I would just say watch the
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first season and check out a fewepisodes of the second season and then just
pretend the third season doesn't exist.Fair. I mean, this one was
rough. I don't think this lastepisode was like the worst sendoff. I
think this is one of the fewepisodes that is closer to how the earlier
format was. Definitely had more ofthe animal facts, which I always give
a gold star for the attempt.It just doesn't have the same tone.
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It grew in a different direction,which is fair. They were trying out
different stuff and it didn't work,and sometimes these hair brain schemes do that.
I can at least appreciate that theythrew it out, for sure.
I don't think this is like abad note to end on. It's just
very strange and questionable, and it'sfine. Like well, I was not
really prepared for how much then ofthe zombie episode would inform the rest of
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the show's run, because once thatepisode airs and when we watched it,
like it was so different from anythingelse that we had seen with this show
that it I wasn't expecting it toreally just be well, this is the
tone of the show now, Ohmy god. So this episode at the
end, it's a better version ofthat zombie episode. I will say that
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much. I think that I don'tknow where you would come down on this,
Maggie, But for this season,this may be the best of these
kinds of episodes. I was aboutto say the ones that stand out in
my mind for the third season isobviously this one, but that doesn't count
for too much. I just watchedit. But also on the boat one
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with the giant Octus, that onewasn't the worst that I've seen. What
was the best water episode that theyever did? Agreed? And that was
one where they didn't try to shootWren in the enigma cor recomplicant things.
I would say the Quanzocoal episode wasmemorable, but definitely not for the same
reasons that the Octuas episode was betterexecuted under less resources. I would say,
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by you, Jess, you kindof came back to this in the
third season of these episodes that yousaw, where did where? Where?
Where does this season episodes rank foryou? Which is the best one you
saw? Well? This one isbetter than the last one? Agree?
Yeah, I think that this,But like I said, I think that
I'm going to give this one extrapoints for having, you know, at
least a moderately creepy setup that's youknow, more interesting than the other setups
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that I obviously don't remember right well, and and some and you know again,
it kind of is more of aserial killer episode than like a reptile
or a lizard thing. Yeah,you just have people getting asphyxiated and hung
up and murdered. It's like thembeing lizards is kind of incidental, frankly,
right, what is them being lizardsactually have any bare on the plot.
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They're not shape shifters like they're youknow, that's the thing about oh,
you know, Hillary Clinton or BarackObama or whoever the fuck is a
lizard like, they're all they're shapeshifted like that's the whole thing. There's
none of that here. They eventalk about it. They have talking heads
bring it up. Yeah, they'rejust literally lizards with human features, like
human bodies with lizards. I don'tknow, it's very weird. They,
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like you said, Jess, theyreally wanted it to be lizard people period.
Yes. Yeah, the bear likewhat to the literal definition of a
humanoid lizard person that acts purely uponlizard brain? Yep. And I guess
all they do is throw raves andkill people. Yeah, and gate Keith,
I mean, you're all those flashfires. Well, that's the thing about
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this episode is the way that thesecharacters are painted because they kind of take
the more bombastic and wild parts awayfrom the reptilian creature. It could have
they could have been zombies, theycould have been vampires, they could have
been whatever. Franklyly it them beingreptiles is really incidental. Like we see
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a tail a couple of times,but that's it. Like, I don't
know what. What a kind ofweird way to end a weird show.
Yeah, I still appreciate it.I still really like to know deep in
my heart that the New York canonthat anything subterranean is just rife with people.
Well, if for this show,that may be the case. Yeah
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and Jason, Yeah, all thesubterranean creatures hanging out underneath New York.
Yeah, they just don't show upto the raves. It's kind of sad.
That's the only people that show upare the humans. They're turned away
the chut Yeah, what's chut uptoo? So he was there? That
was very shuddly episode of Lost.Yeah what if it was chuds instead,
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Like you got it wrong? Thatwould be too. I mean again,
them being lizards are so incidental.It doesn't matter what they are. They're
just killing people underground, Okay,Like why not? So uh. I
guess to bring this all to aclose, Maggie, did you have a
favorite episode of this show? Youknew I was gonna ask. Oh,
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yeah, you know, and I'vejust been sitting here being like, oh
geez, there's so many whack assmoments that I just cherished in my heart.
I think Alman of man and mightbe up there because that has like
just a slew of amazing quotes thatjust roll around in my head, like
get to the altar, it's theholiest place in the church. Like,
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ah, I love that logic.I also didn't mind the uh oh man.
The Mothman episode was so bizarre,but I did appreciate what they tried.
That was probably the furthest they stucktheir neck out on the chopping block,
but I appreciated that one the biggeststretch of all the episodes was the
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Mothman one. Oh, I know, such a stretch, but you know,
they actually like took it to heart, like no they need video evidence
that makes sense for the time.It was so weird. But I think
almanavan In might might be one ofmy standout favorites, just because that was
one I didn't previously know too muchabout. And though it was an absolutely
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nutty and ludicrous setup, it wasjust so so strange. I appreciated the
crap out of that finding the giantowl pellet the steeple, like get out
of town. Yeah, what aboutyou, Jess? Now, Like I
still like the cubicab one. Istill think that it was probably the creepiest
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out of the bunge, for like, in context of being a kid,
So I thought child alone in adesert because of the cubicaverric yilled it's Paris.
I mean, I will say thefirst episode of this show is a
very strong showing for a for acryptid that effectively really has not got a
lot of that kind of you know, I guess characterization before. There's very
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few things where it's like Cheopacabra isthe main focus. And when I think
of the chuop of Icabra, Ihonestly think of the Lost Tapes episode,
which is wild to me, Likethat's what I think about when I think
of the chep of Kabra is thefamily with the video camera and the coyotes
taking him through the desert. Yeah, I actually I agree with you,
Maggie. I think the Death Raptorepisode is my favorite because the Owlman of
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Mannan is a phrase that kicks aroundin my head a lot for no reason.
And yeah, that shot of theguy pulling a fucking whole human skull
and like jaw out of a owlpellet is just there's very few things as
funny as that because the show playsit so at that point the show is
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playing it's super straight. So ohyeah, and it's like weird because the
owl man is like a thing inthe UK, but it's in California for
whatever fucking reason. Yeah, it'slike a nineties four or movie. It's
like they just really jumped the sharkon it. But yeah, stuck with
it. Honestly, I think thefirst season of the show for me is
just like most of those episodes havesome value, but when we get to
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the second season, it's just,you know, they started it out with
Vampire and that's not a cryptosh.That were Wolf episode was oh my,
oh yeah, oh talk about anx an X Files episode, like that
could have been an episode of theX Files. Gosh, that wasn't like
an episode of Cops. Chris was, well, it reminds me. I
think I have mentioned it when wetalked about it reminds me of that X
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Files X Cops episode. Oh god, yeah, that's right, it's I
don't know that. The second seasonof the show is very strange, but
then the third season is just it'salmost like it's a completely different show and
it should have just been a spinoffof Lost Tapes and which again could have
worked, should have worked. Ithink this show still could work, Ryan,
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Like, is Animal Planet creating narrativebased content? Probably not a lot.
Why not just revitalize this. Thesecreatures are all, like, you
know, open free, they're opensource creatures, like they're folk lored domain
right right, Like the Mothman isa thing like you don't owe anybody.
Oh, you don't owe Richard Adamanything if you make moth friends. Yeah,
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even if you want some of it. So so I was one.
Okay, So obviously we've been talkingabout how NeSSI didn vehrance, But I
am personally curious about which cryptid youwere hoping to see or we're thinking you'd
see that we didn't get a chanceto because I thought that they would do
a Gnomes episode. But I guessGnomes were just terrifying to me and YouTube
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populous circle like two thousand and six. I don't know. Well, I
was surprised we never got like adinosaur in the jungle thing, like you
know, you know what I'm talkingabout. There's that's like a very popular
one. Dunby even did an episodeof that. I mean that for me
is a bit surprise, because that'sanother kind of large one. I mean
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they did cover for the most part. I would say they covered everything,
right, at least the more wellknown ones, right, like Mokelly and
Bembe, Like that's one of thebig ones. But like I guess Loveland
Frog, like I don't know,like that could make a case for that
one, right, well, consideringthey brought up so many of like the
behemoth animals that already existed that theythought would be like transferable, like well
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it exists, now, what doyou think it's like, Like, dinosaurs
would be the obvious one, ButI maybe there would be too many complications
of what narratives they would be ableto do that wouldn't be direct Jurassic Park
rip boss. That's fair, Oha lot, that's very fair. I
hadn't thought about that. How dowe not rip off one of the biggest
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movies in the last decade. Shit, I don't know, man, can
they all rape? I forget theraving dinosaur? I do. I do
feel like for the most part though, like they covered all the bases.
I think the issue for me wasjust the way the way that they did
some of them was not great.Like sure Bigfoot was relegated to the first
season in a rather just okay episode. I think the bigger issue for me
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is they is they invented stuff asopposed to like Oklahoma octopus oo or megaalanea.
I mean, you were talking aboutthat, but that's like that's a
dinosaur, Like that's not a it'snot even a crypt it existed. Yeah,
although I'll give them credit for sorry, drag races rife in our town,
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but uh living the set of Americangraffiti, yes, yeah, absolutely,
even plastic bags blowing in the breeze. Wow Jesus. But so I
give them credit for like doing thehistorical big creatures and theory, because yeah,
sure it's a bit of a coppaconsidering just how many urban legends and
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cryptids there are. But but whatmade the first season eerie to me is
the animal facts and how it wasframed so well, because if you were
a little kid watching this and you'regetting all of these animal facts and like
scientists talking about these sightings and shit, yeah, that's scary as hell.
For a lot of the latter season, you don't necessarily get convinced half as
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well that they could exist. Infact, I think we even stopped like
asking each other at the end ofepisodes, do you think this exists?
Where we're just like, of course, what is this? I mean at
some point it's like, all right, you're talking about zombies like they don't
exist, right, right? Right? Yeah? I mean, ultimately,
I think that the big takeaways forme with this show were the bungling of
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the water episodes, which were almostbungled completely. Outside of the Kraken episode,
which is the best of the waterepisodes, which is probably one of
the bright spots of the final seasonof the show, the crack An episode
is pretty good. Yeah, thatone would be like second season tier in
my mind. It did. Theydid a decent job, and it was
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creative enough, and they like,you see the creature while still obstructing it
in a clever way and not anannoying whoa shaky kumway, right, which
is what they end up just likeleaning on in the third season so insanely
are too much. But then theother kind of takeaways are them creating things
like the Devil monkey, like theOklahoma Octopus like it. Those serve no
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purpose other than filler episodes. Andif you needed to fill episodes with stuff,
there are creatures they did not have. There are things they could have
done, Like you said, no, I don't know how they didn't do
a gnomes episode or trolls or somethingis hell sorry, those are like it's
so dumb to me that the weirdestthings will like get under my skin.
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Is creepy. But like those stupidYouTube gnome videos, it's like no,
no, no, no for thelittle kids that were talking about a mutual
sighting of seeing gnomes in little tinycars chasing them obviously big, but I'm
like sweating, Like he's been readinga lot of our slash paranormal recently,
dude, I've been on a stint. Well. And the other thing about
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this show is by the end ofthe show, they've also established in this
universe the Devil exists, because rememberthere was the Spectral Black Dog episode.
It's it's so weird. They openedup doors and directions that they never went
they never went back down, thatthey never did an exorcism episode, which
again that how that never happened isa good question, because they did Spectral
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Black Dog, they did hell Hounds, so I don't I don't know that
that's one of the ones. I'msurprised that they didn't lean on an exorcism
episode. Ryan. By the endof this show, it would I would
not have been surprised. I wouldhave been like, this kind of makes
sense, all right, No,because they've been doing anything under the Sun
cryptids. Plus, yeah, thethird season is really just like whatever the
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hell we want. So so onthat note, Maggie, your final thoughts
on Lost Tapes The show A man. I mean, it's one that I
didn't grow up with, oddly enough, because I didn't have cable. I
was busy watching Arthur apparently. ButI enjoyed going through this from beginning to
end. It was amazing to seethe development for better or worse. But
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the initial idea is just so strong. I'm tickled that this existed, especially
during that time where I think theywere really experimental with what media would draw
more people to Animal Planet. Itwasn't just the thing that they were known
for when I was like a littlelittle kid, which is like essentially zoom
Books as a TV show. Butit was a good hybrid, very worthy
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experiment. The results at the endburied, but it was entertaining. I
don't think I'm going to trade backthe time, except for maybe a few
episodes were well at least those episodesare only like eighteen minutes long, so
oh exactly, and I could makefun of them anyway, So it's like
I find trade offs. What aboutyou. Jes's final thoughts on last tage.
I mean, I obviously did notwatch as much as you guys did.
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I was not following along religiously watchingevery episode. But but no,
I'm in agreement. I like thatthe show exists, that it was a
thing, that it had a place, and that you know, there were
somehow it did get escaped my radar. But I think it must have just
been a little bit too after Ihad, you know, moved out of
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the Animal Planet watching time. Butyeah, it was entertaining for the most
part. Again, as as theshow hit towards the end, things started
to get man, as we've said, But yeah, it's a fine show.
I would not suggest watching all ofit, Like if if there are
specific cryptids you want to like lookup and check them out, do it.
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I don't think that you need towatch every episode, though I would
agree with both of y'all. Ithink that this I think that this show
is an interesting, interesting idea thatthey did rather well at a time where
things like this were not in voguelike they are now, and they won't
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be in vogue always. I mean, there was a big thing in the
seventies, and then they dropped inthe eighties, and then kind of in
the nineties, but that's thanks tothe X Files, and then it dropped
again for almost twenty years, andthen now we're kind of back into Bigfoot
and cryptids and weird stuff and theparanormal and supernatural, and that stuff's never
been bigger than it is right now, and next time it happens it will
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be even bigger than this time,because it just keeps building. But something
like this had a place then,something like this has a place now.
I think if somebody did something likethis right now on the right network,
fucking Animal Planet, even it wouldkill people would be into it if it
was done right, and if thepeople who were doing the show liked,
and I will give credit to thepeople who did the show. Their hearts
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were in the right place. Maybenot at the end. But again,
like we've already kind of mentioned,most shows by the end of it aren't
going to be great. They're goingto complay, especially if they're semi narrative
based or even narrative based. Theyhave a long way to fall, and
they can fall very quickly. Andwe've seen We've seen better shows than this
fall further than this show fell inits three seasons, and I've seen shows
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fall in the span of one goddamnseason. So as bad as this show
has gotten, it's not terrible init Holistically it's not terrible. And again
I mean the fact that it's allabout cryptids, Like who doesn't love that.
They could have done more cryptids,They could have done cooler ideas with
the cryptids. They could have putmore time and effort into redoing a couple
of these scripts Draft two or threemaybe as opposed to one or two.
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But you know, I think overall, it's a fun show. It's an
interesting show. I have to putmy stamp as the one who thought we
should do this, So any goodor bad is going to have to sit
on my head, and I thinkoverall it was a fun experience rewatching because
I hadn't seen some of this laterstuff. Even so, it's nice to
finally have seen the show. I'veseen it all. I don't like Jess,
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like you said, I don't needto rewatch every episode. There are
a couple episodes that are good thatare worth revisiting, and they we've mentioned
them already. But for the mostpart, like any anthology show tales from
the Crypt, Twilight Zone, anyof the iterations of the Twilight Zone,
there are not going to be alot of amazing episodes. They're going to
be a fair amount of good episodes, but a fair amount of shitty episodes
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too, because you know, withtwilights on, there's like seventy or eighty
episodes, so not all of themare killed. Not all of them kill,
just like not all these episodes killed, but a lot of them do,
at least in the first season.In the first season is fourteen episodes,
so it's not an insignificant amount tobegin with the first season. But
yeah, I think that this wasan interesting show. I would like to
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see somebody do something with it now. That's more like, my big takeaway
is like, somebody do something withthis, because anthology shows are kind of
also back in vogue again, andyou know with stuff like you mentioned American
Horror Story, Jess, so youknow, like you said, I mean
it's it's This is an anthology show, ultimately at its core, for good
and for bad, and it embodiesthe positives and negatives of being an anthology
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show. So and bluck ness,motherfuckers. You can do it next time,
next time, do it? Yeah, one comeback episode, Do one
good water episode, like please,because God just a deluge of awful water
episodes. So please. So onthat note, Maggie, we have decided
on what we're doing for the nextversion of this for scary stories we tell
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all right, and what is thatshow? Oh gosh, are we doing
a Thousand Ways to Die? Ithink so, oh my god, all
right, I will I will primemyself for that one. Because I watched
one episode. I'm like, well, shit, it is a weird.
It's another show that is very oddfor when it existed. Uh, Thousand
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Ways to Die was a Spike TVshow. It a rated air rated by
Ron Pearlman yep, which was Icompletely forgot Ron Pearlman is the narrator.
But it's also like an insanely strangeit's it's a it's like a micro anthology
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show. Yeah, I don't knowhow else to describe it. It's an
anthology show. But then like eachepisode is an anthology in and of itself,
so great, a collection of terriblethings that happened. But man,
being a kid and seeing those episodes, it sticks with you. Yeah,
yeah, And I am really excitedto rewatch it. I have watched one
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episode and I forgot how much ofa fucking trip it is. And I
didn't watch anymore because I wanted torewatch it cold. I only ever really
saw it, like just randomly,like I never went out of my way
to watch it. So that's whatwe're gonna be talking about when we come
back with this, and we're gonnabe talking about Yeah two two thousand and
eight to twenty twelve, Spike TV, one thousand Ways to Die Jesus.
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So until then, where could peoplefind you on the internet? Jess?
You can find me on Instagram atwriter Jess Byer. You can find me
on TikTok it's the same name,and you can find me on episodes of
the Culture Cast with Chris and theother show we did called One Season Show,
and that's pretty much the main place. By you, Maggie, you
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can find me at one place,in one place only. It is Dolin
Museum Dot. It's true. AndI think when we started this you didn't
have Dolan Museum, and now youdo. Know this is true, and
by the time we get through aThousand Ways to Die, I might not
have the museum. Wow. Asfor me, you can find me at
(44:49):
weirding Way Media, which is thepodcast network that the projection booths Mike White
and I set up for all thepodcasts that we work on together and the
podcast that our friends make. Soif you like good shows that you're gonna
want to listen to all of them, that's where you and go and could
God, there's a lot of fuckingshit to listen to, guys, like
thousands of episodes worth, so you'vegot plenty of time, or maybe you
(45:10):
don't. I don't know, maybeyou're on your deathbed listening to this isn't
that dark and awful? Which thankyou. If you're sticking around series oh
boy, yeah, yeah, ifyou're if you're rid of your if you're
death Averse. The next series maynot be your bags. Just a warning
right out of the gate, Souh and uh yeah. As always,
(45:32):
Maggie, thank you so much forthe album, artwork for the show,
get to thank you in person,and to Dustin Rutledge for the Campfire Stories
episodes. As always, you canfind Blondeo that's Alex Malnax band who does
the music for us on Spotify.Just search blondo and we'll let our good
friend, the former host of Sidings, mister Tim White, lead us out.
No mystery is closed to an openmind.
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