Alien Contact: Are Humans Ready? | Dr. Simeon Hein Explains - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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are we gonna do if aliens are real and are here?
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eight We have a great show tonight as we are
going to talk alien contact and some Bigfoot with doctor

(02:45):
Sibbi and Hin coming up momentarily. Then in our number
three Swamp Dweller, we'll kick things off with a spooky story.
Then Grant Baker will give us an update on General
Neil McCaslin, and more on the UFO Report. So let's
let's get right to it. I love it when Syby
and Heine is on the show. Doctor Hein is a sociologist, author,

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and researcher whose work explores the intersection of consciousness, science,
and unexplained phenomena. He received his degree in sociology from
Washington State University in nineteen ninety two and focuses his
research on nonlinear methods, complexity theory, and the relationship between
technology and society. Doctor sibion Hin first began studying remote

(03:31):
viewing in nineteen ninety six and has been actively involved
in crop circle research ever since. In ninety seven, he
has taught wrote remote viewing at the Mount Baldy Institute
in Boulder, Caldrado, helping students explore the potential of human
consciousness at perception beyond traditional scientific boundaries. So we say
thank you to doctor Sibien Hein for coming on spaced

(03:54):
Out Radio tonight. My friend, how are you, hey.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Dave, Thanks for having me here tonight. I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
It's been a whirlwind for you in travel trying to
get out of Washington, d C. Speaking at a Bigfoot
conference near the Pentagon, Holy Cow. I didn't know Bigfoot
win in that area.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, we brought Bigfoot to DC. We're lobbying for Bigfoot.
I'm personally in favor of Bigfoot having voting rights, so
we want to register Bigfoot to vote. And no, I
really do have a petition. It's on change dot org
slash Protect Bigfoot. I really do think.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
It's time that we recognize that.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
These creatures, beings, ancient humans, whatever they are. You know,
there's some recognition of the reality.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But yeah, Dave, I was at an event there.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
It was at the Lost Origins Art Gallery in Northwest Washington,
and it was a two day, two night event showing
the film A Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot, the second
in the Flash of Beauty series from the Resonance Pro
film production folks from Portland. And then in the second

(04:59):
nine they wanted to do a Q and A about
dark matter monsters and how I wrote the book and
my ideas, you know, the sociology of the paranormal and
why it's so challenging to talk about these topics and
get society to accept that they're real.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So we had a good time.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
It was a challenging with the weather today, as a
lot of you know, if you're in the US, we
had some crazy weather in the past couple of days,
and I'm glad to have made.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
It back in time for the show.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So thanks. Well, I'm glad you're here too, my friend,
because you know, it would have been weird not having
you here and me talking to myself. It would have
been weird. But the fact that you were able to
do that, we really do appreciate it. You've always been
such a good friend to us here on Spaced Out Radio.
You love these topics and you have the unique perspective

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to bring a scientific understanding to what is going on.
Does anything really amaze you anymore with these weird and
strange phenomenal events.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, I feel amazed every day. I feel very fortunate
to feel amazed. I think it's very easy to be
on earth and feel bored and just accept the kind
of consensus reality view that we're taught in school. But
as I've grown older, I've realized that what we were
taught in school is very limited view of reality. It's
much much bigger than that. It's as big as your imagination, folks.

(06:28):
That's how big reality is and what really makes it rewarding, Dave,
is exactly what you said. The more you study in
these topics, do you think people have.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Already figured everything out?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
No way, Just read books on these topics, the classics.
People have been studying parapsychology for hundreds of years, and
there's new works, new authors, you know this, new experiencers,
people who've written books. There's always more to learn. I've
just been going through James Lukatski's books, just Skinwalker's Depentagon,

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but the second book, and I.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Just finished that on the plane tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
About the UFO program as app when you see what
that guy says about how complex UFO encounters are and
how it involves people having psychic and paranormal experiences after
their encounters, before their encounters, going all the way back,

(07:26):
Dave to Kenneth Arnold, I am not kidding. Lakatski says
that Kenneth Frickin Arnold in nineteen forty seven, one of
the original UFO sighting cases in the US, right by
Mount Rainier. Yes, Spike working for Search and Rescue. I
believe a businessman from Boise and he the saucer skipping.

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You know how where the flying saucer term came from.
According to Lakatski, after that encounter, Arnold started hearing disincarnate
entities in the house or.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
And other paranormal phenomena.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think that's literally what the quote is I mean,
And he says, that's where the hitchhiker effects started?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Did anyone know that that started with Kenneth Arnold?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
So all I'm saying, David is there's always more to
learn about this, and I think we're making a lot
of progress. So yeah, it's very exciting and it's a
great time to be involved in these topics, and everyone
out there, you know, you should feel very good that
you've stuck with these topics, because I think we're going
to end up discovering a lot of very interesting things,

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and it's going to turn out that this older paradigm
that we're emerging from was not necessarily wrong, but just
highly limited. And those of us that had curiosity about
these topics are going to turn out to be proven
to have been moved. You know, we were moving in
the right direction the whole time.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I want to get to the topic of the night
because we do have to talk some Bigfoot. Now we're
number two with you with the latest up and coming
south By Southwest documentary that's being played at south By
Southwest that the Patterson Gimblin film is fake and I
know I don't believe it. I believe you don't believe

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that either, And we'll get into that now we're number two.
But one of the subjects that I wanted to talk
with you tonight, and this is why it was important
for me to have you on, is because you look
at the big picture of things and with all the
talk over the last few weeks about Donald Trump releasing
the UFO files and what Barack Obama said that aliens

(09:32):
are real, and there has been all of this talk
recently really bringing this subject into the mainstream. One thing
we haven't talked about is the cause and effect on
this planet, on what will happen if it is announced
that aliens are here. We have a huge abundance of

(09:54):
religious people on this planet. We have the other half
is pretty much non believers said anything like this, Simeon,
So I'm just curious your thoughts on it all. And
I think, sim yeah, there you are, or you're froze
up there for a minute. Do we have you, Simeon? Yes, yes,

(10:22):
there you are. That was weird, Yes, a little, Simeon
keeps freezing up on us. I don't know why our
signal is good. Everything's going through smoothly on this end.

(10:42):
Sometimes we have something strange going on here. Right now,
we are like having like a I know in radio
side you can hear us, but we are having some
major technical difficulties right now. All right, Simeon, can you
hear me? Okay, yes, I can hear you. Find all right,
there we go, there we go. So let's uh, let's

(11:03):
get to the idea of that topic. Are we ready
for ET contact? Well, it looks like my signal. It's

(11:27):
it's on my end. It's my signal right now, Simeon.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
So that's okay. I'm going to keep talking. How about
while you figure it out?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, you keep it. Well, you know, the problem is
my radio people are not going to be able to
hear you. Uh So I think I think we're getting
out of this issue right now. So let's ask you
once again before the aliens come down and buzz my
internet again. Okay, are we ready for ET contact?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
No? No, Dave, this is an excellent question.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
This is an excellent question, and it's something that I
think about all the time because I think this is
what the whole thing comes down to. I think if
there's any government cover up the misinformation program that's been
going on for a long time, that like James Lukaski
in his recent interviews, you know, with Corbella Knapp, said

(12:17):
that it's still going on there. We're all being subjected
to a disinformation program right now. If that is happening,
I think the main motivation is not just to protect
advanced technologies from being discovered by adversaries or those conventional arguments.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think there is this fear on.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
The part of the powers that be that it might
cause social collapse or panic.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I just think that's still an issue on the table.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I don't personally, I don't think that would happen, just
because of shows like this and others that have been
going on for a good long time doing their jobs
getting human beings culturated to this idea that there's other
types of intelligent.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Life forms may be more intelligent than we are, that
are around.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
But this is obviously a big one because just all
of you, in your imagination just consider the possibility that
this announcement is made that extraterrestrials are already living amongst us.
They could be your neighbors, they could be people at
your workplace and you didn't know it the whole time,
and they were disguising themselves, or they look just like
humans and we're doing a very good job of impersonating humans.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean, how would you react to that?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Because it doesn't take a lot to cause social disruption,
as we saw during COVID. If a certain percent of
people decide they're not coming out of their homes, it
can kind of break down pretty quickly, and the store
shelves look pretty bare in short order. So I think
this is a big issue and a big part of it.

(13:59):
When I talk to Colonel Robert o'dean was the colonel
sergeant Colonel Robert remember from he had worked in NATO.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yes, Robert Dean, Yeah, yeah, Robert Dean.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
And I talked to him at the UFO International UFO
Congress in Laughlin, and and he told us, and I
think you're most your familiar with the story, so I
won't go into it too much, but he said at Schaefe,
NATO headquarters Shafe, one night, some guy said to him, Hey, hey, Bob,
do you want to see something interesting, and they showed
him this very each side. It was thick, a thick

(14:33):
report NATO had done on extraterrestrials. They had seen these
objects coming over from East Germany and they weren't sure
what they were, but they found out that the East
Germans were seeing them come over from our side. So
each side thought it was during the Cold War, thought
it was the other guy's bogies, but it turned out
that they weren't anyone's from Earth, and NATO concluded there

(14:57):
were four species that were visiting Earth, the types that
you're familiar with, and according to Bob, one of them
looked just like human beings.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
They you wouldn't tell them apart. And I went up
and asked him.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
I said, but Bob, were they human beings that had left.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Our planet and come back?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Or were they really extraterrestrial's aliens that looked like humans?

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Were they humans who had returned? Or did they?

Speaker 4 (15:26):
He said, The book didn't say, but he said. The
appendix was this stick. This is what he raised his
hands up. He said, this stick, and it went into
all the details of the four species. Now we're told
by by people familiar with the topic. Stone and others
that there were hundreds of species known about by the

(15:48):
late seventies, but back then Bob said.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It was just for so I think this is and
the in this native report.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Tells us that there was this concern about the implications
of having not just the extraterrestrials that we could tell
were different from us, but the ones that look the
same and everything in between. So you guys can use
your imagination here to see how complex this gets so quickly.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, so this is the big issue. Would we really
would we be able to handle that truth? It really
depends on how.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Close they are to us, Are they in their ships
up there, or are they already integrated. Well, here's another possibility, Dave.
Do extraterrestrials even resemble anything we're familiar with? Let's not
just talk about the ones that look, like Bob said,

(16:49):
just like humans. I've often entertained this idea, and I
don't want people to think about this too much.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Because it's kind of weird.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Maybe they're already here and they look like something like
a familiar your thing, but they're not, you know, like
when you go maybe they look like trees or bushes
or even objects in your home that they can shape shift. Okay,
it's enough about that. I don't want people preoccupied with it.
But you see how complex it gets.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It gets very complex, and you know, I think one
of the things that I started looking at a couple
of years ago. I remember having a conversation with Lou
Elizondo right after the pandemic, and you know, I think
for a lot of us, you know, coming out of that,

(17:36):
there were things we questioned on whether or not we
were being played or not, the severity of it all.
And I'm not here to debate the whole pandemic because
that gets very political. But I remember asking Lou about this.
I said, did you guys watch how people were treating

(17:57):
people during this worldly event? And were you paying attention?
Because this is probably as close as we're going to
get to judge people on their actions, like everyday people
on their actions when you know, if aliens were to
come down. And he said, absolutely, we were watching and

(18:21):
they've and you know, I'm paraphrasing the conversation, but basically
he said, we failed, you know, and it was failure.
It was failure in a number of ways. Going to
the grocery store, taking too much milk, taking too much meat.
The toilet paper epidemic, you know what, people were still
cutting trees. I live in a logging town. Even during

(18:44):
the pandemic, trees were being cut, which means there's toilet paper. Okay.
You know, we failed as a society. We were ratting
out our neighbor for having people over for Christmas. We
were you know, whether you believed in the mask or not,
people were ratting people out. And when we looked at
it all, society really saw a lot of good, but

(19:07):
it saw a lot of bad as well. That was
concerned for the alien side of everything. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (19:14):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
COVID was a really good test of all this.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Even a lot of what was passed off as science
is now being questioned whether there was any legitimacy to
it at all. And this I'm reading in Science magazine.
We had this sort of knee jerk reaction just to
vaccinate everybody, and how quickly employers were willing to say,

(19:39):
you can't even work here anymore if you're not vaccinated.
We didn't even have the proof that vaccinated people were
more or less contagious. That was a debate I was
reading about in Science magazine.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Every week.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
It wasn't necessarily clear that unvaccinated people were more contagious
or not, but.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
There was this real harsh reaction.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Governments snapped into action doing what they liked to do,
which was great rules and regulations. I still remember going
to visit my mom in New York and seeing the
National Guard right there at the gate. They would not
let you into New York State unless you had been vaccinated,
and they were checking your vaccination card as you got

(20:22):
off the plane, as you got off the plane.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Was that really necessary?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
I think governments like to do what they think they're
supposed to be doing, which is in forced law and order,
and they can go too far in that direction without
the proper evidence. I always thought, you know what you're saying, Dave,
it makes you think about a lot of things, because
I always thought we were an evidence based society. But

(20:50):
what I saw happened during COVID, and I'm a believer
that masks helped and everything. I'm not a conspiracy theory
about I don't believe in conspiracy theory about this.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
However, there was so much done.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Without the proper testing the safety of the vaccines. Things
that we would normally agree are important. So I think
a lot of it was questionable, and whether we failed
or not, it definitely showed a lot of negative aspects
of the social control, people hoarding, and yes, even what

(21:22):
you're saying, people treating. I remember going to parties and
having debates about vaccinations. Some of the parties of friends
I went to, they were all pro vaccination. Other people
I went to other parties and I was the only
person there that had vaccinated everyone, And it was just
it was kind of a polarization. So whatever you think

(21:43):
about that, you have to ask yourself. Extraterrestrial contact or
even if it's ultraterrestrials, whoever these beings are. If they
were to emerge and finally engage with us on a
regular basis, and we were to interact with them and
even go on their ships and go to wherever they're from,

(22:07):
I mean, what would.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That do Because human.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Beings are already kind of we're a little afraid at
the moment with the current political situation here in the US.
So you play this clip in the beginning of the
show that I've listened to so many times, and it
always makes me think, was Ronald Reagan Wright, would it
actually have the opposite effect and cause all these wars

(22:33):
we have on the planet to cease very quickly because
we'd all realize we have a lot in common compared
to the others, and there could be so much diversity
with these types of extraterrestrial life forms that one possibility
is that it makes us feel like.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
We have a lot in common.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
What are we doing fighting each other in these wars
that are going on in Eastern Europe and Ukraine and Iran,
all incredible levels of violence that are going on on
the planet right now.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Maybe that maybe Reagan was right, maybe that.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Would end in short order we realize we have to
pull together as.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
The human race.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
So there's a Dave. There's a number of possibilities here.
I think the folks that model these things in the
Pentagon and these other think tanks and things, I don't
think they know which way it's going to go.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I don't know which way it's going to go. None
of us do. But I'm willing to bet that it
goes in the right direction. I'm betting on the universe here.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think the universe knows what it's doing, and I
think the nature of evolution is for species to eventually
come in contact with each other one way or another,
however long it takes. And I think that's the direction
we're going in. We're going to meet these folks. It's
coming up one way or another. We're going to meet

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and intermingle with them, and the chips will fall where
they will. But for those of us who've been part,
you know, part of this show for so many years
and other shows like this, I think we've been inoculated
against that fear because every time you have a guest
on this show, people come up with are exposed to

(24:17):
new and weird ideas, including when I'm on the show,
two weird ideas.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
And that's good.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's a good thing, all right, Doctor Simi and him
when we come back. Are humans ready for extraterrestrials? It's
a big question. Nobody seems to answer it, but we
will on spaced out Radio next.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Coming on my soapbox. All right, you're taking it's good now.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I'm happy. Yeah, I don't know what caused that. I
apologize about that to our listeners, to you, that was weird,
very weird.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Here, let me how many minutes do we have. I'll
come back in a second.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
We got about four and a half. Four and a half,
I'll take you out.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Okay, I'll be back in a secon how about that?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
All right? There we go, There we go. Yeah, if
you haven't already, I would really appreciate it. And I
know Para Marve will put it up here because he
puts up everything. He's like Frank's red Hot Sauce. He

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puts that shit on everything. Thank you for that to
Para Marv. I appreciate that. My new YouTube channel, which
is the Haunted one oh eight, so it goes along
with my project that I've been working on, and the
video is on there you've probably already seen. But I

(26:10):
would really appreciate if you guys could do me a favor.
I don't ask for much, you know, but if you
could do me a favor and go give it a
like and subscribe and share it with your friends, because
we got some real good cool stuff happening. Integrationting. How
are you doing. Nice to see you, and yeah, it's

(26:34):
a really cool, cool thing we're putting together here and
it's all going to tie in. It's going to take
a little bit of time, but I would appreciate that. No,
interviews on there just gonna be haunted endeavors. That's what's
gonna make it fun. Haunted endeavors, and Paramar puts that
shit on everything. That's right. Good job, PARAMRV. Appreciate you
for that. I've got a new project, simeon that I'm

(27:01):
working on right now. Our local museum that's about three
four miles from my house. It's one of the only
museums in our province that isn't government funded. So I
went to the board in January, the beginning of January,
and I said, I got this idea to raise some

(27:22):
money for you guys, and I said, let's turn this
into a paranormal tourism adventure place, because I had already
done ghost tours there that were very successful, and by God,
they went for it. They thought it was a great idea.
So I'm literally going to be turning it into a
like a haunted bed and breakfast, nice and all sorts

(27:47):
of things going on there. And so we just recently,
as of yesterday, that's how recent. I just put a
YouTube channel up, so I've been making a bunch of videos.
I got to show you. You'll like this here, you'll
like this pitchure.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Are you saying you're turning a museum into a bed
and breakfast.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
There is a house there that we have that we're
going to turn into a haunted bed and breakfast.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, I think that's going to be extremely successful.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
People love that sort of thing. People love it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I want to show you one of our ghost photos
here because this is really cool. My man, Oh no,
it's not on that one.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Here, So we have this giant Clydesdale barn. Okay, it's
about seventy yards long and it is. It was built
in nineteen oh eight for a gentleman named Captain Watson,

(28:50):
and Captain Watson died in World War two or probably
World War One in nineteen fifteen, and one day in
twenty nineteen, I took a photograph of one of the
horse stalls and uh oh, where am I here? And
I took this picture. I'm trying to hurry up here.

(29:11):
I took this picture and then I saw it found
a picture of what he looked like. So there he is,
and there's the photo, same dark eye, same facial shape,
military hat, mustache, everything. I don't know if you could

(29:31):
see that very clearly.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I can.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, right there.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh oh on the right side.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's a little it's a little hard to
see on my screen, but I see something.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I can see something there yet. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yes,
who did those little videos? Is that your career?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I did? And I have my twelve year old son
editing him because he loves editing. Oh good. Yeah, we're
coming back in fifteen seconds. Thank you to JSCO Area
fifty four and Pam for the super chats, and thank you,
and here we go, everybody. We're into the second half

(30:38):
hour of spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott.
Doctor Simeon Heine is our guest. What are we going
to act?

Speaker 6 (30:45):
Like?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
How are we going to be as humans when we
are told and find out that aliens are here? But first,
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that mouthful, let's bring in Simeon Hin here. What are
we going to be like when aliens are officially here?
This is a big question, It's a burning question. And

(31:30):
right before the break, you know, we talked about some
tests that people have gone through, especially with the pandemic.
I don't agree, Simeon, and this is just my opinion.
I don't agree that humans are going to be ready.
I don't want to be the pessimist here, okay, but
the way I look at it is half this planet

(31:53):
still praise to some sort of religious deity where they
all feel for the most part that anything that comes
from the sky or anything that is not explained as
human or what we know is demons is satanic, is
from the devil himself, Beelzebub's best friends, his army, that
they are coming to start armageddon, which is the start

(32:15):
of the end of the world. And then we have
the other people who we do have to worry about
mental health, We do have to worry about the financial system,
and could that cause a crisis. I mean, is it
a grow up time for humans or is it something
that we're going to all of a sudden see a
big shift in belief and pattern.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yes, that's exactly the question, isn't it. The person I
was referring to before, by the way, was Sergeant Clifford Stone.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
You had probably heard of him.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
He did those alleged crash retrievals I think about sixteen
or so, and he talked about the different species. But
towards your question, you know who I'm thinking about, Travis Walton.
I'm thinking about Travis Walton because he gave us a
lecture at.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
One of the Open minds UFO.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Conferences outside of Scottsdale Fountain Hills, and I still remember
the impact it made on everyone when he said, if
anyone thinks he would have made that.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Up for popularity, you'd be crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Because his town was filled with religious fanatics and his
family endured unending hostility from the rest of the town.
If I'm not mistaken. It with Snowflake Arizona, and he
described what it was to have people come up to

(33:54):
the house and just start harassing them, and it never ended,
never stopped.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
And that's what you're.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Talking about, because these were deeply religious people who thought
he had encountered demons, and they harassed his family and
persecuted them, and he said, if you think we would
have made this up for any sort of fame or fortune,
you're out of your mind, because this is the last
thing you ever wanted to have happened to you in
a small town. And in fact, just thinking about that's

(34:26):
exactly what Bob Gimlin said to me when I talked
to him once. He talked about the horrendous reaction of
the people in the town of Yakima. We can talk
about that later with the film you're talking about. But
his wife was a banker, worked in the and they
had bottles thrown at their homes and everything. So yeah,

(34:47):
on one hand, Dave, you're absolutely right. I can think
of a portion of society that would have a negative
reaction to this in a really big way. Consider it
to be demonic and satanic. Even in some of the

(35:07):
scriptures from like the Dead Sea Scrolls, they talk about
some of these monsters in the Bible, and they don't
describe them very nicely, you know. I think the phrase
is sons of bastards, elite and desert howlers and things
like this, and said, you need to avoid these these
creatures and things. I mean, this is something that it's

(35:28):
very interesting to look into to see what people thought
about some of these topics thousands.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Of years ago, if you can even interpret it.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
But on the other hand, I have to agree with
Digger Dog here in the comment section, just to comment
I saw go By.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I think you saw it too.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
At there are times when we're called to grow up
as a species and to evolve, and there are times
when we've had to do that when scientific discoveries were made,
when we realized that we weren't the center of the universe,
when people like Copernicus and Galileo came along and told

(36:06):
us we weren't the center of the solar system anymore.
And yeah, there was a really strong reaction against scientists
like that by the powers.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
That be at the time.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
It would have been the Vatican right and the Catholic Church,
and you know, even Galileo was put under house arrest,
and Copernicus was afraid to publish his books.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
He delayed the publication.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Out of fear of this sort of reaction right until
he had passed on.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
The books were published posthumously.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
So there are times when we just have to we
have to take the deck of cards that were dealt
the hand that were dealt and deal with it. And
I think we're going to all have to stand up
and decide how we're going to react to the situation,
or we can be like ostriches, David, just keep our

(36:57):
heads in the sand and never evolve. I mean, what
you're saying is correct. At the same time, we can't
live that way forever. We have to deal with reality.
I personally believe there are a lot of other species
out there. I think they've been showing us that they're
around for decades now, and I think it's not too

(37:17):
long in the future that this type of disclosure, just
because of the rate at you know, with which it's
going right now, even this week, moving along, there are
going to be people who are going to come forward
who say they know it's true. I've talked to people
like this who still haven't come into the public limelight,
who've told me what they've seen in the basements of

(37:40):
military bases, in labs looking at recovered crash materials and
so forth. I know these people are out there, and
there are probably hundreds and thousands of them, And when
those people feel like they can come forward without a
lot of risk to themselves, perhaps violating NDAs, that they
signed and so forth.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think that'll cause.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
A really large sea change in the amount of evidence
that we're asked to consider. And I think we're gonna
have no choice but to deal with it. And I
guess we're all gonna find out how it turns out.
I personally, I think it's very exciting, and I think
that's it's the direction we have to go in one
way or another.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know, I think it's just a nature revolution.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
David. Do you see any type of human cataclysm with this,
Riots in the streets, panic people all of a sudden,
you know. I you know, I look at people that
there are people out there who have who have lists. Man, well,
all of a sudden, you know, the aliens are going
to get us. So I might as well go do

(38:43):
what I need to do before the aliens get me.
You know, this is the kind of thing that I
concerned about because it will play on the psyche of
a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
It will.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
But I mean, I think we've survived challenges like that
before in the United States and other countries. You know,
we here in the US, we survived a civil war,
there was the civil rights movements in the fifties and
sixties in this country. I know people that were involved
in that who went down south to register African Americans

(39:21):
to vote and so forth, and they were you know,
they encountered a lot of violence from people that didn't
want that to happen. But at the end of the day,
we had more people voting than voted in the nineteen.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Fifties, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
So it moved forward, like it or not. But there's
another aspect to it, Dave, which we have to consider.
There's a multi dimensional aspect to this, which is those
that have some sort of contact with these entities might
have the realization, a kind of an epiphany that the
universe is much much bigger than we thought. And I

(39:59):
think that's of realization for a portion of the population
that's ready for it could have a type of transformative
effect on our consciousness to make us realize, Dave, that
we're part of a larger galactic community. And I think
realizing that we're part of a larger galactic community would
in and of itself have a healing and evolutionary effect.

(40:23):
It would have a positive effect just to realize that
you belong to something bigger than you might have known existed.
So I think there is a type of polarity going
on here. You're right about that, but I think we
also need to consider the you know, the positive impacts
on our awareness, just to realize there's other beings out

(40:45):
there they want to interact with us, and we could
learn a lot from them, and it just opens up
a whole new chapter in humanity's evolution.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I think that has to be.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Counterbalanced against the kind of fundamental I'm not sure, Dave,
all the religions would react that way. I mean, I
think in Islam there's already a belief that they're multiple worlds.
I mean, it does say I believe somewhere in their
religious text that God was ruler.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Of the world's plural So I'm not sure all the religions.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I'm not sure the Buddhists would react negatively or the Taoists,
you know. But yeah, you would have that from some
of the people. But we've survived that before. I mean,
even in this our country here down here in the
lower forty eight I mean, women who were accused of
being witches were executed and drowned in the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

(41:47):
We've had that extreme, you know, negative reaction, but we
somehow found a way to survive that, the witch burning
in Europe, in the Middle Ages and so forth. So yeah,
it's a very complex and challenging question, and I would
encourage anyone listening and viewing right now to really consider

(42:07):
think about all of the implications for yourself, because one
way or another day for coming up to this moment,
I don't know exactly what.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
The year is going to be.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Is it going to be next year, is it going
to be five years from now? But I mean it's
coming down the road at some point because there's a
lot of evidence that we haven't seen yet, and it'll
show us.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
That this is real.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Now, I will say this, I do believe it's the
younger generations. You know that. I look at my children.
My eldest daughter's twenty seven, my youngest is twelve. Okay,
they are more open to any sort of change. They
are more open to aliens being real and acceptance of it.

(42:48):
You know, we hear a lot about you know, these
these indigo children. A lot of kids are now Indigo
children that are being born in where they're more virtually
advanced and accepting of the soul of the human race
of life forms in general. I see that part of

(43:10):
society being more accepted to all of a sudden coming
down about you know, the president saying aliens are here.
It's the you know, I'm you and I would both
be in that same category. It's that forty forty five
and up where we're still looking at a lot of
old school ways of thinking our way was better kind

(43:33):
of thing, where we're not as accepting to change and
and to anything that could be coming because it blocks
or changes an entire lifetime of narrative.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Exactly right, that's very well put to it, very well put. Yeah,
we're the ones who are the problem because the older
folks like us were kind of set in our ways.
And I guess I'd like to believe I'm not as
sat in my ways as other people who are less
familiar with the topic. But I could be wrong, But yeah,
all younger people are more open to it.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Dave, There's a couple sides to this.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
I mean, there is this outside reaction, the political culture reaction,
but there's also the psychological reaction of each person to
your own mind and awareness, in other words, being in
the presence of extraterrestrials or people with a sort of
different biological psychophysiological makeup could expose you to even portions

(44:37):
of your own mind that you're not very familiar with.
We all have very interesting and strange dreams at night sometimes, right,
where do those come from? So there's this possibility that
being around these beings, let's say they're just at a
different frequency than we are, could expose you to yourself
in a way that you've never experienced before. Right, and

(45:00):
that in and of itself, let alone the outside reaction.
There's a sort of physiological reaction to encountering new life
forms like this that each and every person would have
to deal with on their own. I've often felt that
the benefit of learning remote viewing was that it exposed
you to your.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Own unknown in your own mind.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
You know, as Jules know, someone who's taken my classes,
any classes you take would do this. You're going into
the unknown of your own awareness. Every time you sit
down to do a session with a blank sheet of paper.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
You don't know what's going to happen. But that's a
kind of.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
A fear and oculation program because you get used to
being with the unknown from yourself for fifteen minutes, half
an hour, an hour, and you realize it was a
little weird, but it's okay, I'm done. I think that
type of exercise, if people start doing something like that,
it gets you used to It creates a type of
tolerance for the unknown. I think da Vinci had a

(46:03):
name for this, Leonardo da Vinci, he called it sufa matto.
I think that's the name. In Italian, it's called going
into the mist, sufa matto. There's something valuable for that
if you practice it just a little bit every day,
that there's a cumulative effect of being less afraid of
new or unknown, strange things. And I think that will

(46:25):
be valuable when we encounter these beings at some point.
So yeah, Younger people don't have those barriers that older
people do, and for those of us who are older,
it's useful to practice getting used to uncertainty and a
kind of gray zone without having to come to a

(46:48):
conclusion logically, which is something that our v teaches.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
But any creative exercise teaches the same sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
So yeah, I think we can all practice in our
own way to get used to this moment, which I
think for most of us, and I could be wrong,
but I think it's coming in our lifetimes.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I think if you're listening right now. You're going to
experience this.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
And it will certainly be one of the biggest changes
that we've ever encountered in history. But we'll either deal
with it and face up to it or we won't.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
There'll be a test on it.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Can we survive it? I know humans are very good
at surviving all sorts of usually self inflicted issues and
problems that we face on this planet. But is this
something we could survive not knowing what the intentions of

(47:46):
these extraterrestrials here would be.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, we've survived really challenging things, and every day we
survive the possibility of a nuclear war that could come
out at any moment because of all these missiles that
are set in all these different countries to go at
each other, right, and we've survived that for decades without
actually annihilating ourselves. So Dave, I could make the argument,

(48:16):
I mean, just is one answer that we're more of
a threat to ourselves than they would be, because so far,
it doesn't seem like they've been intent on, you know,
wiping us out, despite themes of many science fiction movies.
But the question is can we survive.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
That type of chaos?

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Mental chaos, confusion socially without society falling apart, and can
we live through that type of transformation. Well, look, I
think one thing is for clear. It is clear here
we won't be the same when we go through that transformation.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
We won't be the people we are now.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
But you know, we're not the same people we were
several years ago either, and we're still here and we're
still okay.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
So we go through these changes.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Every year, every day really without being conscious of it.
We're always changing and evolving. But this would be definitely
a big one, Dave. I think there's one aspect of
it though, that we would.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Have to consider and we have to deal with this intelligently.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
If anyone saw the Moment of Contact movie about the
Virgina incident in Brazil in nineteen ninety six, I mean,
there was some bacterial contamination from one of these creatures
to the firefighter who picked him up and grabbed.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Him in his arms and they took him to the hospital, and.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
That according to the surgeons in the newer version of
this movie that came out in January. Moment of Contact
by James Fox. I don't know if you've had him
on the show, but I mean, there is some physiological
risks there of these interactions between species that no one understands.
The surgeons told us it was a type of bacteria
that they're familiar with, but it wasn't acting the same

(49:59):
way normally does on Earth. It was there was no
way to treat it, so it was just virulent like
it had come from somewhere else. And that movie is
a very good example, Dave, of how people in that
little town of Margina reacted to seeing these creatures around
those three girls and everything, uh, you know, and how

(50:20):
the okay, and mainly how the authority, the authorities repressed
that information. And those witnesses are still there, which is
why James Fox could.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Just interview them recently and update the movie. They're all
still there, but they were told to shut up so well.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Radiation sim you look at the radiation that was burned
onto Stephan Miklik in the Falcon Lake incident, right, and
there's plenty of physical evidence to go along with that.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
That's a safety, physiological safety issue that has to be addressed.
This also applies to new forms of fusion, cold fusion
and low energy nuclear reaction, where there is a danger
of these types of radiation, and I think we can
deal with that, but yeah, I mean UFOs can potentially
be harmful. I interviewed that guy Gary from my not

(51:11):
Air Force base. He's on my YouTube channel, the missile
security guard, his whole right side of the body, and
his other guy in.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
The security alert truck.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
The whole truck was burned from some sort of ultraviolet radiation.
So there's no doubt that there are risks to this interaction,
which is all the more reason why we should be
talking about it and find out what we need to
do to prepare so that this sort of contact happens safely.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
We got about two and a half minutes ago before
we have to go to break. At the top of
the hour, doctor Simmy and Heine is our guest. Can
we survive alien contact on this planet?

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Overall?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Because we are going to switch subjects to the next hour,
talk some Bigfoot, especially the Patterson Gimlin film. Overall, your
final thoughts on whether or not humanity is ready for
alien contact?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
My thoughts are ready or not?

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Here they come, and we will adapt because we have
you know, we have resources and abilities we're not even
aware of.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
And there's another aspect to it. Dave. If they do
show up and you know, are more.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
In open contact with us than they are now, they've
probably done this before and they'll probably have ways of
helping us overcome this sort of sense of panic or
fear or anything like that. So I would imagine we
would I will say, well, we will survive it, and
we will grow, and that's the way it should be.

(52:42):
I think we'll do fine with it. It won't necessarily
be easy for everyone, but the evolution will happen in
a way that.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I just think it's natural. I think that's how the
universe works.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Species eventually come in contact with other species and they
become part of larger collective organizations and groupings. This seems
to be how it works, and I think this is
probably what's going to happen in this case. So do
your homework now and it'll be less scary later on.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
And stock up on cans of spam just in case.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
You know, Yes, maybe.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Build that dugout in the forest where nobody can find
you unless you put out a chimney with a smoke signal.
You know, get ready for the alien invasion of what's
going to happen now. I think that overall I'm scared that.
I think there's going to be a lot of damage
right up front. But humans are resilient, and we're pretty smart,

(53:50):
we're pretty able, We're pretty easy to survive, and I
think overall we'll be able to do it. That's mine at.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Least survived our own stupid in the past too.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
If you look at all the dumb things we've done
throughout as we've survived that too. So yeah, I'm betting
on human survival and in many cases improvement from this
sort of type of contact, interaction and so forth. But
you know, Dave, we're all gonna find out together. I
don't know how they have all the answers to this,

(54:22):
nobody does, but we're we're all here together. We're gonna
find out how it's going to how it's all gonna
lay out.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
So is it that the truth by Fred, doctor Sibby
and Heine is here? And in the next hour we
are going to break down this latest controversy in the
Bigfoot World. Oh, the gloves are off, it's a brawl
at center right. You said the Bigfoot World is the
Patterson Gimlin film a hoax? Well, we're gonna get the

(54:50):
opinion of doctor Heine and more when we return.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
This is faced out break, Hew with Hopes dam Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
All right, my friend, we got about six minutes. Great,
I'm gonna put you in the background and I'll be
your back, your back, Okay, there we go, l chair.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
Chairs already by I'm back and.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Let's see doctor Hyen is back as well.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
We got about a minute forty five before we go here.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Great.

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on spaced Out Radio, Doctor simeon Hein is here just
off a Bigfoot conference in Washington, d C. And during
that weekend there was a big, big dust up in
the bigfoot world regarding the nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlin film,

(01:02:44):
and in fact, it even made an article in People
magazine calling the film an incredible hoax. Says the director
of a groundbreaking new documentary, Doctor sibbyon Hein, welcome back,
Thank you. I'm gonna read you this article from People,
well part of it, and then I want to get
your opinion on it. It says there's a new documentary

(01:03:07):
Capturing Bigfoot, which offers up some startling new revelations behind
the story of Sasquatch thanks to film footage locked away
in a safe for decades. Documentary filmmaker Mark Evans had
a hunch one day that he might tackle the topic
of Bigfoot, but he had no idea that he'd end

(01:03:27):
up creating a film that could end up debunking the
mystery linked to the creature that's lasted fifty nine years.
His groundbreaking documentary Capturing Bigfoot, which premieres at the South
By Southwest Film and TVs Festival, provides startling new evidence,
he says that finally proves that the most famous Bigfoot

(01:03:47):
film of all is nothing more than an incredible hoax,
long held up as evidence that Bigfoot exists and responsible
for launching the multimillion dollar big foot industry. The iconic
shaky fifty nine second silent clip that was shot in
nineteen sixty seven shows an enormous, hairy creature later nicknamed Patty,

(01:04:08):
walking slowly through a wooded area in a forest near
Bluff Creek, California. It really captured the imagination of billions
of people over the last six decades, says Evans, shot
by a former rodeo star named Roger Patterson and his
pal Robert Gimlin. The Patterson Gimlin film had for decades
been scrutinized by biologists, anthropologists, and even Hollywood costume exabinors

(01:04:34):
looking to debunk the authenticity. Over the years, no one
has been able to definitively, definitively prove that the sixteen
millimeter movie was staged. All that began in June twenty
twenty four, when Evans, who has directed a handful of
critically acclaimed documentaries, received an email from a part time
instructor named Teresa Brooks at Olympic College, where he teaches

(01:04:58):
courses in documents entry filmmaking. After her father's death, says Evans,
she found a canister of sixteen millimeter film that had
been sealed away for over half a century. She needed
help getting it developed and wondered if it might be interested,
if he might be interested, Evans, that is, in doing
something with it. Little did Evans know what he had

(01:05:21):
just been handed and its possible connection to the fame
nineteen sixty seven film, But he soon learned that Brook's father,
a man named Norm Johnson, who spent years running the
film department at Seattle's Boeing company, was connected to Patterson
and Gimlin through his brother Dave, and it quickly became
clear to Evans that Teresa's father had developed the Patterson

(01:05:44):
Gimlin film, which immediately made headlines around the world. After
the footage was released, it caught fire right away, Evans says,
as somebody said in our film, it went viral before
the word even existed. So realizing he had physical evidence
that finally put to rest the question of whether Patterson's

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creation was a hoax, Evans knew that he had the
makings for an explosive documentary. He quickly went to work,
he says, connecting the dots behind the making of the
nineteen sixty seven film and interviewing the cast of characters
in Patterson's hometown of Yakima, Washington who were involved with
its creation, including eighty something year old Bob Hieronimus. I

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apologize if I got that wrong, Hieronymus, who confessed to
being the individual wearing the fake bigfoot suit in the film. Evans,
whose father had grew up in Miyakima and had heard
plenty of gossip among locals about its film's authenticity, assumed
that the family of Roger Pattison, who died of Hodgkins'
lived Foma in nineteen seventy two, would, as they always had,

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refused to speak about the film, which had generated millions
of dollars in licensing fees over the years. What makes
the story even more complicated and tragic, says Evans, is
that Patterson, who by all accounts truly believed it Bigfoots existed,
knew that he was dying in nineteen sixty seven. When

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he made the release of the film. He knew he
didn't have long and that he was going to be
leaving his wife and three young kids to take care of,
Evans said, so he took a shot at leaving them
some sort of legacy that could possibly help pay the bills.
So it goes on to explain a little bit more,
but nothing really in depth about the forty second clip.

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Oh pardon me, let me get to this. Not long
after receiving Brooks's email, Evans had the sixteen millimeter film developed.
Days later, he found himself looking at a forty second
clip set in a location similar to the one in
the movie and showing what appeared to be slightly skinnier
looking Bigfoot walking into the woods. It maybe took me

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nine months to realize what we had. Who Evans says
was able to determine by markings on the film that
the footage had been shot in nineteen ninety six, roughly
a year before the now famous clip in the fifty
nine second Bigfoot movie. What we eventually found out was
that this new footage represented a trial run, a rehearsal

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that was never discarded.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Your thoughts, well, it's you know, I started seeing this
on the plane coming back tonight from DC. I haven't
seen the documentary, so I can't really comment on it
too much, but I would say in the history of science,
these types of events can actually open people's minds to

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the reality of the phenomena.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
In other words, I don't know whether this actually is this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
You know, these charges this story is true or not.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But for a lot
of people, the Patterson Dimmlin film opened up a lot
of minds, and it actually describes a lot of people
have seen out in the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I've talked to so many.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
People who've seen bigfoot sasquatch now and they will often
use the Patterson Gimblin film Dave as a reference to
how much it looked like Patty or not, And in
a lot of cases it didn't look like that Patty
type creature at very different features, a much brighter hair

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and so forth. So whether it is or it isn't
actually a real film or not, I'm more inclined to
believe it Israel just from having talked to Bob Gimmlin
myself about it once. But even if I'm wrong, I
mean the phenomena itself is real and it describes what
a lot of people have seen. And this raises a

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lot of interesting issues because there is this label in parapsychology.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Have you heard of this called mixed mediumship MISK mediumship?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
No, I have done.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Yeah, this is a fascinating concept that was new to me.
I learned about it at one of the SSE meetings
a number of years ago. These are actually real psychics
who occasionally fake what they're doing because they may be
having an off day, but they're asked to perform, so
they've actually they really do what they say they're doing,

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but maybe some of what they do is not always real.
But when it's not real, it doesn't invalidate the times
that it is real. And this is sort of what
this reminds me of is even if you have people
faking a couple of UFOs here or there, it doesn't
mean the whole phenomena isn't real. Even if you have
accusations against people like Uri Geller that the PK the

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spoon bending, that there's some explanation from that, it doesn't
invalidate the fact that psychokinesis is a real phenomena.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
So I think if this work turn out to be true,
and I'd really have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
To see this film for myself and look at the
evidence and so forth, it still opened people's minds up
to the reality of the phenomena and perhaps allowed them
to actually experience this in reality for themselves, just like
we learned from mixed mediumships mediumship.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
So I think it's really good to have discussions like this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
If it turned out to be true, I'd be really surprised,
just because in the analysis of the costume, Dave, it's
an extremely detailed, anatomically correct costume, you know, I mean,
it's a female.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Bigfoot there with breasts.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Which, according to people at Disney when they asked them
if they could make costumes like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
They said we would make a male version.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
It would be so much more expensive to make a
female version of that type of costume. We don't see
these zippers on the back. We put our zippers on
the back. So if this were true, it would mean
that Patterson and Gimlin were better than the expert costume
makers in Hollywood. I would really be surprised if that
were true, But I'm always open to evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Here's my point too on that, And I think we
look at this with a twenty twenty six mind and
not a nineteen sixty seven mind. And I'm going to
focus on the breasts here for a second, because that
in nineteen sixty seven, society was still very very conservative
with clothing, with especially with women. They still had people

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going around measuring bathing suits that make sure they weren't
more than one inch above the knee. You know, it
was a very conservative clothing society. Free love hadn't begun
yet in the sixties flower Power movement, you know. And
when you get people like this, you know, I just

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don't see them saying at that time in a nineteen
sixty seven mind frame, hey, let's make a costume but
let's play a joke on everybody, and let's sew a
pair of boobs on this thing. You know, it just
doesn't make sense. No, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
And one of the things I saw at the oak
Ridge Bigfoot Festival last year was a really an upscaled
four K version of the Patterson Gimlin film where you
can see it in really really great detail. And even
at that upscaled resolution, there were no signs of seams

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or zippers or anything. How would someone like that have
long arms that go down to their knees that sort
of length. Plus, from what I've seen in various documentaries,
that particular gait that Patty has is not a gait
that a human can reproduce. They tried, they found someone
who was just you know, very tall athletes. Try to

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get this person to walk exactly like you see Pattie in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
The film, and he couldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
He could not do it the way the leg is
lifted up at that certain height, way it goes back
and so forth. So I've seen a lot of evidence
to the contrary, But I think we have to remember
that even if there are cases here.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
And there of people hoaxing these things. I will tell
you I have been wrong in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
When I first started studying crop circles, I was convinced
from all the arguments that there was no blipping way
humans could make crop circles. If you saw some of
my early presentations from the nineties on this subject, I
would get up there on stage and say, you know,
I've looked at the evidence, and here's all the reasons.
I don't think humans could ever come close to making

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these complex.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Better And I was wrong. Humans could do it because
I went out with them at night. I've talked about this,
I wrote about it in Opening Minds. They could do it.
I saw it done multiple times.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
These people had a lot more skill than I originally thought.
They weren't really hoaxers because they believed in this natural
magic that they were creating through shapes and geometry and
resonance and so forth. So I wouldn't call them hoaxers.
But they were capable of going out there in four
or five hours and making very complex patterns. I know

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because I was with them many times. So I've been
wrong in the past. Regardless of whether that's true or not,
it didn't invalidate the witnesses who I've written about in
black swungos who've actually seen craft.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Flattened meadows.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
In large scale people out of the Tully saucer nests
and so forth. So one case here or there of
people imitating the real thing doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Invalidate the real thing. And let me give you an
example of that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
I got to know a former Secretary of Defense in
the US who was a Secretary of Defense in in
the eighties, and he told me it an RV conference
and I finally got permission to share this story.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
He didn't want me to ever talk about it again.
But this is the story. He told me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
There were thirty people in one of the intelligence agencies
monitoring a Soviet PK test PK being psychokinesis. In this
particular test, a psychic was one thousand miles away from Moscow.
The spoon was in Moscow, and they wanted to see
if this particular psychic, I don't know who it was,

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the Soviets, a whole bunch of them, could bend a
spoon at one thousand miles. And he said, they were
listening into this experiment. And so I said, and what happened?
Did the spoon bend on command? He goes, Yes, it
bent on command, and until this day, there were only
thirty people that knew about it, and now you're one more.
So now thirty one people know. But I said, well,

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how come you never shared this? I mean went to
make an amazing news headline. You know, US government has
proof positive that PK is actually real because we had
to protect sources, methods, and it was more important to
protect the sources and methods of how they monitored this
particular event than it was for the American public to

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know that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
PK has been proven to be real.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
So even if there are people here and there that
found a way, I don't know how they do it
to bend dis builder, and they weren't really bending it
from cheapower or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
They were just kind of using some nurture, some sort
of trick.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
It doesn't invalidate the fact that PK is real and
the federal government knows it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Looking at sasquatch, I know the one that I saw
walk away from me back in twenty thirteen. It was massive.
I did not get a look at the legs. I
got a right profile and a back profile. What amazed
me about that creature being about seventy feet away was
the size of its shoulders. And just like the Patty

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and the Patterson Giblin film, it was no neck. It
was just a giant head with a conical shaped head.
It never turned to look at me. I never saw
the face, but just the absolute sheer size of it
and the way it moved and the hair that moved
like I could see it right now as I'm describing

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it to you. I mean, a lot of people see that,
they have these close encounters with this giant of a mystery,
and they can't see a neck, they can't see arms,
the way it walks, like in the Patterson Gimlin film
where they've done studies and tests about the way the

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muscles move in the legs underneath underneath, I mean, you
need a bodybuilder's leg, you know, like somebody like Brian
Shaw or you know, one of the world's strongest men's
size legs in order to get that sort of tone
in that stride.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Simion right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
In the case of crop circles, I asked these circle makers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
To prove to me they could do it, and they did.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
But in the case of Patty, I haven't seen anyone
come anywhere close to reproducing that muscle movement you can
see in the legs and on the thighs and so forth.
If the people that created this film believe that that's true,
can they give us a demonstration of something that looks

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like exactly like Patty in that film right now? That
would convince me that they're right. But I have never
seen anything that ever comes anywhere close to the way
Patty walks, the muscle movement, the arms, the length of
the arms, and so forth. And another thing is theyve
you've seen sasquatch that looks pat like Patty. But I've

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talked to people where they said it didn't look like Patty.
It had much a very different characteristic on the face,
looked much more like a human than ape like, and
so forth. And there's so many varieties of the way
sasquatch looks. And some of these people are people that
are friends of mine. They were so frightened by these encounters.

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These are multiple people I know. I just talked to
one last night about his encounter. Again, they didn't want
to go back out in the woods for at least
a year. They were so they were afraid even to
go to parks. That's how the impact these sightings made
on them. So one case here, if Patty is really

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a hoax like they say, I would really need to
see someone right now reproduce that walk, that look that
muscle movement in a convincing outfit with sixteen millimeter film
that looked like that, And so far I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
So I'm open to the evidence. I just haven't seen
the evidence that convince me that that argument is correct.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Whether Patterson attempted to create something like that, that would
almost be kind of an example of mixed mediumship.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I mean, it wouldn't completely invalidate the sighting, because here's
the question. I haven't seen the film.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Does that film that they found so allegedly in the
vault does it look like Patty walking there or not?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
What do people say? Does it look like it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. There's still
a lot of reviews. Like I said, this is just
brand new from this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's still doing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
I would say the weight of evidence going back to
Native American counters, going all the way back to the Vikings,
according to Dave Polats, completely outweighs this claim that this
started some sort of industry. From my knowledge, neither Patterson

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nor Gimblin made any money off of this film, and
I think that invalidates the claim right there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Did they make any money from this film? No, they
made nothing. And they had to.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
These guys were so poor they had to one of
them had a gimlin, had to hitchhike back to Yakima
from Bluff Creek, Okay. And yet they were able to
construct a suit that even Disney costume makers say they
can't do. I mean, I guess it's there's always this possibility.
I'd really need to see some strong evidence in that favor,

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but it certainly wouldn't change my mind about Bigfoot overall.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
I know Sasquatch is real. I haven't seen Sasquatch dave.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I did do something in the Blue Mountains with Barbshoop
last summer, and something did.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Run by my tent very quickly. That was bipedal at
three am.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
And you're pretty groggy at three am, and I was wondering,
who's out there besides my tent, And they told me
that is the sort of thing that's how it starts.
Maybe that's my I haven't seen this myself directly, but
I've talked to enough people who have so it really
wouldn't have one impact one way or another.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Well, one of the things is we got about a
minute to go here before we have to go to
break that. This is kind of stirred up is automatically
all the skeptics are jumping out of the woodwork. See,
we told you Bigfoot wasn't real. Your famed footage shows
that it was not real. And I think a lot
of people are taking well, you know, if Patterson Gimlin

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is fake, well that proves right there that Bigfoot does
not exist. So what are we doing here? I mean
there's always that extreme portion there. So we got about
forty five seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Well, yeah, Back in the nineteen twenties, there was something
called the Piltdown folks, do you remember that where someone
combined I think it was the skull of an ape
with the torso of another human or something like this,
and they claimed it was another species. But there were
a lot of different types of species of humans found

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since then. One has been found recently called Homo florensis,
and then recently we've learned about the Denis Sovieans in Asia.
So just because someone did deliberately create something that didn't
turn out to be real in the nineteen twenties doesn't
mean that we still haven't found new species of hominids

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that are relatives of humans. So I don't think that
argument really would wash. Just one film one way or
another doesn't matter. What about the Paul Freeman film Taken
in the Blue Mountains. You've seen that one, right, that's good,
quite like Patty, But that's a huge creature walking into
the bush. No one thinks Paul Freeman fake that one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Hold that thought. We're gonna go to break here. We
have doctor simmen Hine on Bigfoot coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
You're listening to Space Down Book with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
All right, my friend, we are clear. It's such an
interesting topic. I mean, I look at what I've found,
and I'm an amateur, Simon, I am a total amateur.
And I've looked at what I've found in my two
areas that I go to, and I feel like a

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kid in a candy store. Man, when all of a
sudden you come across like a fifteen sixteen inch footprint,
you know, or when the one time I remember, like
in twenty twenty four, we left our camp. We were
gone for about twenty minutes. We came back. We're in
the middle of the forest, there's nobody around, Sybyan, you know,

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And we come back to our camp after about twenty minutes,
and there's a footprint ten feet from our tent.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I mean, this is stuff that boggles you, It scares you,
it intrigues you, it makes you fascinated.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
It absolutely does. And this goes back to your first
question of the night, Dave. This is freaking amazing. And
I will tell you whatever comes from this film about
Patterson Gimlin, it'll just be really good for looking at
all the evidence, all the evidence that these journalists haven't
wanted to look at, because we all have a lot
of evidence about this, and I would love to talk

(01:26:38):
about it and show the exhibits, the footprints, the casts,
the hydrocal or the plaster cast, the hair samples. Right,
there's a new film coming out from the Flash of
Beauty People about the Sierra Sounds. Remember Morehead, the Johnson

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Bryans before them, in the fifties. This went on for decades,
these Sira sounds. They brought up skeptics to try to
debunk it. Ron Morehead wanted it to be some sort
of hoax or something. He brought up al Berry, who
had scientific training, was a journalist, and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Al Berry said, this is the real thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
And they got all those tape recordings and in this
film they're having them analyzed these Sierra sounds. And to
make those sounds you would have to have two sets
of vocal cords. There isn't any way for a human
to make those sounds. So I think anything in this
area just has a positive effect of having this look

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at more evidence. The Sierra sounds could just you could
spend so much time just looking at all those weird jitter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Chatter conversations, the reverse samurai speech.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
There's just so much evidence that hasn't been looked at
that one thing like this, A good documentary, even if
it's attempting to debunk it, or one particular film, would
just have a better effect of, well, what other evidence
is there or whatever. I would like to see them
debunk the Sierra sounds because al Berry wanted to and
he couldn't do it, and he was up there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
He was up there in that hunting cabin.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
So we had at our one spot in twenty eighteen,
at flight twenty one, we had the samurai chatter you
did forty thirty forty yards in front of us like
hearing it. And the thing is, we didn't. I didn't

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put two and two together until about eight months later
when I re listened to the Sierra Sounds and all
of a sudden, I'm like, that's what we heard. That
is exactly what we heard. And I'll tell you I've
never like my entire body froze, you know, when I

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was sitting here listening to the Sierra Sounds again about it,
and and I'll tell you this, these sounds are incredible
when you hear them. I've heard whoops. I've heard Rick
Flair's brother in the forest go whoo. After our siting
in twenty twenty two that we had, right, I mean,

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we've heard a number of things I had.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Did it sound like that back and forth like in
the Sierra Sounds?

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
Really? Right?

Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
No, it was it was like direct at us.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Right at you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
So Scott Nelson, you know who's analyzed the Sierra Sounds,
he used to work for the Navy, is a you know,
in linguistics and cryptography and all this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
I saw him give a presentation up in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Kallis Bell at Dave Polaidi's conference a couple of years ago,
and he said he's familiar with all human languages. He's
a linguistic expert work for the Navy intel and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
He said, humans do not have the ability to make
sasquatch sounds. You would have to have.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
An nobility the way we speak on the exhale, they're
able to speak on the inhale.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Hold that thought. We're coming back in three seconds. We

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are into the second half of Spaced Out Radio. My
name is Dave Scott. Great to have you with us.
Doctor Simon Heine is here. We're talking Bigfoot, Patterson Gimlin film.
Is it real or is it memory X? We don't know,
but there's many who believe now after a documentary coming
out at the south By Southwest Documentary and TV Festival,

(01:31:02):
that capturing Bigfoot means that it might be a hoax. Now,
you're not buying that. I'm not buying that. And there's
a lot of scientific study that has gone into this,
Simeon that states that Bigfoot is out there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Right, During the break, we were talking about the linguistic evidence,
the chattering reverse samurai sounds that so many people have
heard and even you know these experts like Scott Nelson say,
you have to be able to make those sounds breathing
in and breathing out, which something you know no human
could do. So again, I haven't seen the film, so

(01:31:42):
I can't really comment it directly, but you know what
it reminds me of Dave the Right Brothers. There's an
excellent book that I read the whole way through, David
McCullough's book on the Right Brothers. Do you know that
the same arguments were made against the Right Brothers, which
is why they chose to leave the United States and
do their first public flights in France, because there was

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so much hostility to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
This idea of manned flight.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
All the journalists said that it had to be a hoax.
There was the famous headline Wright Brothers, flyers or liars.
This is always the knee jerk reaction to new discoveries
is to say that it was a hoax. Thomas Edison
when he demonstrated the phonograph, what did people say? It

(01:32:33):
was journalists that he was a ventriloquist, right, there was
no phonograph. Well, guys, it turns out that records and
record players turns out to be real, just like airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
I flew on a couple today. I'm telling you airplanes
are real.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
But our minds are limited by the belief systems generally,
as you were saying earlier about young people and old people.
Our older minds are limited by these belief systems we
grew up in from authority figures in school and all this.
So by the time we reach our twenties, you know,
we get really said in our ways. And my experience

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with people that look at these types of phenomena, whether
it's Bigfoot or PK or RV, is that they generally
don't want to look at the evidence. They want to
take one little case where they can show maybe there
was some fraud or something that they can disprove, and
they won't want to look at the whole gamut of evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
And I think that's what we have going on in
this case.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Again, I haven't seen it yet, but how would you
explain all the other videos that show something like Patty
or what you've seen yourself with your own eyes. So
those types of critiques I think, in the long run
don't matter personally because the weight of the evidence shows

(01:33:55):
that these phenomena are real. I remember hearing a lecture
by Marcello Trusie at the first Remote Viewing conference in Mescalero,
New Mexico, in nineteen ninety nine, before IRVA the Remote
Viewing Association International Remote Uning Decision even existed, and Trusie
was the guy that created Psychops Committee for Claims against

(01:34:17):
the Paranormal Right, which later attracted Martin Gardner and the
amazing Randy and all the skeptics. And you know what,
Trusie told us, he was sorry he ever created Psychops.
He goes because they weren't skeptics in the true sense
of people that are willing to be open to evidence.
He said, they were just scoffers. They didn't want to

(01:34:37):
see the evidence. They would love this particular film because
that's what they believed the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
So that type of.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
You know, commentary, scoffing type of commentary, in the long run,
in my mind, doesn't matter so much because they're not
looking at the real evidence. They're not looking at the
reality of these phenomena over a large scale, over many
tests or experiments or in this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Case of Bigfoot, thousands and thousands.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Of people's experiences with this hundreds of thousands, probably over
the entire globe. So in the long run, if people
want to talk about evidence, I say, bring it on,
because we've got a lot of evidence. I would like
to see how they deal with all of these types
of witness testimony that I've listened to. So any case,

(01:35:32):
that's my reaction to it. I think the analysis of
the evidence is always a good thing. But let's see,
let's look at all the evidence, not just one person's
interpretation of one film and what was found in some
vault somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
It doesn't really matter to the reality of the phenomena
in my view.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
We also have to remember too that most of the
skeptics who have you know, virtually poop pooed anything to
do with sasquatch. Likelihood of them being people who have
actually walked into a forest is very low. The percentage
is very low. They haven't investigated it, they've done their

(01:36:11):
internet slewing. Rather than what it's like to be out
in the middle of the forest and come across these
amazing footprints, or come across hair samples or scat samples,
or even have an encounter with one of these, you know,
the chances of you seeing one are very slim, but

(01:36:32):
when they are in your area, they let you know
that they are there. And I don't think a lot
of these so called skeptical people have put themselves in
a position, you know, from their concrete jungle or their
suburban jungle, to actually go into the jungles of North
America or around the world to see this creature and
put themselves in harm's way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
No, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
I find that a lot of the academic treatments of
these subjects are people that have stayed within their ivory
towers and actually have never gone out to the woods
to look at footprints or tree structures or listen to
the vocalizations. They're very confident that they and this pertains

(01:37:17):
dave to a lot of subjects that we kind of
put under this rubric of calling it, you know whatever,
our normal, supernatural whatever is that the people that claim
to really know the ultimate explanation for this, who think
they can explain it away, actually haven't looked at the evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
They are they're too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
They seem almost too lazy to want to look at
the real evidence, talk to real witnesses and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
So, yeah, you've got to go out there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
You've got to look at the evidence, and you've got
to see what other people are seeing. It's very easy
to dismiss these topics. And I have to say to
the people I talk to in Washington, d C. Just
last weekend, we got those types of questions that is

(01:38:07):
typical of people that have never really looked into these topics.
But they've their opinions are coming from you know, local sources,
the newspapers that we're all familiar with, and that's all
they've really ever encountered about these topics, Dave, is what
other people have said about it, other journalists. They haven't

(01:38:27):
actually talked to witnesses, and so we got those types
of questions, if this is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Real, how come we don't hear about it more often.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Well, that's the nature of hidden events and people being
afraid of ridicule, stigma, and the giggle factor is they're
not going to volunteerily, you know, voluntarily share their experiences
if they feel they're going to be laughed out of
the room. So it takes a certain mindset, as Marcello
Truzzi pointed out to us, to actually want to look

(01:38:56):
It's not just the evidence, Dave, As you know, it's
a willingness to want to look at the evidence, and
it's often easier for people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
And I don't know the producer of this film.

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
I'd like to see what if he's an open minded
person or view has just had an agenda to begin with.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
You know, it takes a willingness to want to look
at evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
And I think those of us who consider ourselves be
modern people, we consider ourselves to be evidence based people.
We're willing to change our minds based on what we
actually see. So I'd like to see if a lot
of these skeptics are actually really skeptics or are they scoffers,
you know, And I've encountered a lot of scoffers, and

(01:39:35):
it's as a sociologist, it's always fascinating because it always
makes me think of all these.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Other topics like electromagnetism. Do you know what they said about.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
James Clerk Maxwell and even going back to Faraday, very
very metaphysicians, it was just considered to be metaphysics.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Yeah, all this technology that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
We use, computers, Internet, the way where you and I
are communicating right now, and are the odd viewers right
now watching this, And that's all because we were able
to understand electromagnetism and get it under some control. But
at the time, and Jules and I often talked about this,
at the time this was discovered in the eighteen hundreds,

(01:40:14):
people just thought it was like Bigfoot, It's just fantasy.
Where's the evidence, you know. So these things can take
a while to sink in. But the history of science
shows us that the mainstream often gets it wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
They get it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Let's get to a couple of audience questions here for you, please,
let's do Jaketa is asking. It's been said octopus are
not of this planet, and some folks love klamari. So
do you think et might have second thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Yes, yes they might. You know, that is exactly what
I was saying earlier on Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
Maybe they're already here and we don't they're octopus or
some you know, dolphins. Some people think dolphins are a
type of et, like how smart they Maybe they're already
here in some form and we're just not We're not
perceiving them as they really are. We just think they're

(01:41:09):
ordinary animals and there's something they come from somewhere else
we don't really know. But that could be one of
the outcomes of this is some of the familiar creatures
around could have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Some sort of extraterrestrial origin. Maybe even we do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
All right, next question comes from Jco doctor hein, is
there any recent UFO evidence that you are really impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
By recent evidence? You mean in terms of films and photos.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
It's getting more challenging that way, as you all know,
because of the way that AI can just doctor photos
and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
So we all saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Jake Barber footage of that kind of what is that
night vision greenlit egg being lifted up by some sort
of cable.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
I mean I saw that too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
I'm not sure what that is that was claimed to
be some sort of recovery operation. I think the most
amazing thing is that within the span of a week
we had a former president and our current president say
that this is a real subject, and one of them
even issue says he's issuing a directive our current president too,

(01:42:28):
that there should be a declassification. We'll see if this
actually happens. I think that's actually the most impressive thing.
But if I think of any evidence, I'll let Dave know.
Might come after the show.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
All right, while we're waiting for more questions in light
of the cryptid world a bigfoot. What do you think
it is? Do you think it is flesh and blood
or do you think there might be something a little
bit more magical to it, maybe combines of flesh and
blood with a little bit of supernatural ability.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Yeah, that's a good question, Dave, because you know what
people say. They often ask the question to me and
other people. You hear this in podcast interviews. Are there
several types of sasquatch, some of whom are more flesh
and blood and some of.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Whom are more supernatural or magical.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
My take on it is is that this is a
hominid species that's been around a long time and never
relied on technology the way we developed it. For whatever
reason over the past several thousand years, whether it was
et intervention or something else, the reason that we're so
technologically oriented, right, and the sasquatch stayed a lot more

(01:43:42):
connected to nature, and they were able to develop resonance
based behaviors and technologies which allow them to do cloaking
and energy projection and this kind of telepathic mind speak
and so forth. So I would say, Dave, my view
of it, having looked at all the evidence and really

(01:44:03):
reading a lot about this is that these creatures are
in some ways more advanced than we are in terms
of their ability to harness resonance and use whatever it is,
whether it's charge clusters that they're able to develop from
walking on the ground with all these fine types of
hairs that they have, you know, it's not fur.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
They have this very fine hair.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
They're able to develop charge clusters which are the basis
of exotic vacuum objects, micro ball lightning, and all of
the phenomena that go along with that. Whether it's through
that charge cluster concentration just like static, we're talking about
kind of static build up that they were able to
turn into kind of a vortex type structure. Again, microball lightning,

(01:44:50):
or some sort of sound based technology.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
David cavitation.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
I'm thinking about cavitation, which leads to the same sort
of micro ball lightning. The work of Takiyaki Matsumoto in
Japan and others here in the US, Mark Leclair, who've
shown that you can use sound, really high frequency sound
to generate this kind of nucleonic transformation.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Those are natural technologies.

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
I think sasquatch Dave is able to create a natural
technological effect that to us looks like magic, but to
them it is just second nature. And you and I,
unfortunately are some have become so disconnected from nature that
when we look at it, we think it's magic, but
it's actually how.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Nature works.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
I was able to visit the Smithsonian National Zoo just
yesterday and I learned something new that well. When Alessandro
Volta invented the battery pile in nineteen seventeen ninety nine,
he was basing it on.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
The structure of electric eels.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
They knew that eels had segmented bodies, segment of which
acted like a battery, and that first battery that volta
where volt comes from the pile that he created, the
vertical pile a couple feet high, was based on the
body of an electrical fiel. So a lot of what
we consider to be technology is already being used by nature.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
And that's how I think sasquatch does it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
So to answer your question, Dave, in my typical kind
of longer winded way, they are flesh and blood, but
they know how to create a type of resonance with
their bodies that you and I haven't quite figured out yet.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
That's my view, and.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
They are the masters of camouflage. We cannot forget that.
I mean unless you spend time in the forest. And
I don't want to make this sound like I'm down
talking to anybody here, but this is something that I've
learned because I grew up in a city. I've never
been a hunting guy or an outdoors person or a
hiker or anything like that. But when you go out

(01:46:59):
with your newfound buddies, when you move to a small
town like I did, you start spending time in the forest.
You're thinking, Oh, man, I'm going to see deer all
over the place. I'm going to see bears, I'm going
to see moose, I'm going to see all sorts of
wildlife out here. And you don't because you realize quite
quickly how camouflaged they are within the wilderness. I mean,

(01:47:24):
it's like in India, where where you would think an
orange tiger would stand out in a green forest, and
yet it blends right in Simeon.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
It blends right in Yeah, and the sasquatch having been
out there their whole lives, never having kind of created
cities or automobiles or anything like that, they haven't lost
that ability. But it's something that we all kind of
can regain again. You know, during COVID, I spent a
lot of time since everything was shut down here in Boulder,
I spent a lot of time camping in the Northwest.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
I camped up there for about six months.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
What I found was those animals that you're talking about,
after a period of weeks, will begin to see you
as another animal, and they'll come closer and closer and
closer into your camping area, un till the chipmunks are
coming right up your arm, the rabbits are coming up

(01:48:21):
right to chew on your shoelaces, and the deer and
the moose come just right, I mean right in front
of you, like you're not a threat or anything, because
they've they've gotten used to you, and you're kind of
matching their kind of vibe a little more, and all of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
A sudden you kind of meet in the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Really interesting, but it takes a couple of weeks for
it to happen, So I don't know if you've had
that experience. But as the city gets New York City,
this is something you don't see it originally, and they
start coming closer right So they have a lot absolutely right,
they have to want to interact also with you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
They have to want to drive you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
You're absolutely right. Probably the biggest, the biggest thing that
I have learned in chasing down Bigfoot as an enthusiast,
because I still refuse to call myself a researcher, because
I don't know the first thing about research. Okay, I
will say that the biggest thing that I have learned

(01:49:18):
is doing everything the same. When when we go week
after week into our Sasquatch area, we park in the
same spot. We try and take the same vehicles, try
and wear similar clothing than than what we wore the
week before. If we have a fire pit, the fire
pit is in the exact same spot. We set up

(01:49:40):
our lawn chairs in the exact same spot. And the
first few times you just sit there and do nothing.
Allow them to get your scent, allow them to get
a look at you, what you're doing, what your vehicle
sounds like, absolutely everything. And I will say by the
time we ended last year in our research spot, it

(01:50:04):
didn't take long for the interactions. We didn't have any sightings,
well I didn't, at least Tim, my research partner did.
We didn't catch it on film, unfortunately, but we did
everything the same, and they seem to like that. They
seemed to be able to understand that we weren't there

(01:50:26):
to harm them. We weren't there to break into their territory.
We weren't there to reconstruct what they have. We were
guests in their area. We weren't trying to take it over.
And we just continued that pattern. And I've heard a
lot more people who are now doing that because they
realized that sasquatch really is like a house cat. It's

(01:50:49):
curiosity will get the better of it. It has to
come see what you're doing. Have you heard that as well?

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Absolutely, yes, when I've talked to people up in the Northwest,
that's the way they describe it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
It's like an habituation.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Some people, you know, sometimes there's a gifting exchange, whatever
it is is. They start leaving things out for the sasquatch,
little puzzles or fruit or something, and eventually this takes
a while. The Sasquatch see them as some sort of
coequal or something like. There's this barter relationship, which is,

(01:51:28):
you know what a lot of the Northwest Coast Indians had,
I'm told some of them still have it to this day,
where they had this barter relationship with the sasquatch, you know,
salmon from medicinal herbs or something like that. But I've
heard people of having this now, and yeah, they've described
it to me, but they, you know, they don't want
a lot of attention on it. They feel like it's
a very special relationship with these forest dwellers, so they

(01:51:53):
really don't want you coming around trying to prove it,
take photos and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
But yeah, I've heard this from a number of people,
and it takes a while.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Eventually the Sasquatch become it's something you got to get
used to having around.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Some people say they like, they like having them around.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
It's something comforting about it, you know, So yeah, it
can happen with them too.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
But it's something about that realization that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
The Sasquatch that you're not going to harm them, you're
not trying to take pictures of them or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
So that's very true. That's very true. And you know,
like with us, we're in our couple of spots, it's
amazing how close they get and then they start playing
games with you. Simeon. It's like last year, the last
time Tim and I went out there, it was like

(01:52:44):
we were playing hide and go seek with them, right.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Yeah, I've heard this, Dave. I've heard the same thing
from other people or the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Yeah, and it's fun. And then all of a sudden,
after about twenty thirty minutes, you'll get this like telepathic
message that says, Okay, guys, it's time for you to
go back to your vehicle. You can hang out in
your little camp there, but this area here, this is ours. Now,
you go back to your spot. We're gonna we're gonna

(01:53:14):
be in our area and just thank you for the fun.
But it's time for you to go. And you just
acknowledge it and you say thank you and you go
with it. And that's that's what we've been doing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Whether or not that's actually happening or not, I don't know.
I'm not a scientist. I'm I'm not a researcher. I'm
a guy who's enthused by this. But I like to
believe that we are getting those telepathic messages, because well,
we've come out safe every time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
A lot of people have reported that type of telepathic contact.
So even less Stroud from your country, who produces a
lot of films, right, yes, Survivor man described this when
he went to investigate, like what you're saying? This woman
said that I've got sasquatch on my property. Les said

(01:54:06):
that he had these. He couldn't believe what was happening.
He had telepathic messages in his mind. It was sufficient
for him to want to go see a psychiatrist afterwards.
You often hear the same thing people think, Am I
cracking up? It happened to Les Stroud. It's a rivorman
city and high and everybody. Doctor Simon and I thank
you for a great show tonight. Coming up next Swampweller

(01:54:29):
and UFO Max Grant Baker will be here for our three.
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Sim Thank you so much. You're amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Thank you, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
I gotta tell you one funny episode I heard up
in Idaho, oh. This woman said she kept getting this
telepathic message that she should plant more fruit, and then
one day before they were going to harvest it, all
the fruit was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
From that night they took it all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
That's awesome. That is awesome. I believe that. I believe that.
Have a good night. My friend will let you get
some sleep. Bye bye, bye, shy and high and everybody.
I'll be right back.

Speaker 9 (01:56:27):
Us USA, Okay, back, let's bring in the Max himself.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
There he is, little Grantee Baker going on, brother living
the dream, bro living the dream.

Speaker 5 (02:00:02):
He I finally got some cool footage.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Look at that show us that knee again. That's an
impressive knee.

Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
That knee is atrophied like you wouldn't leave a whole.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
Leg right, Yeah, all right, Andromedin, how you doing. Nice
to see you, honest content. Nice to have you here,

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Speaker 7 (02:02:34):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio's Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unn sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 6 (02:02:51):
I'm a sixteen year old male, and this story takes
place when I was about thirteen years old or so,
me and a friend let's just call her Ashley. Ashley
was an avid hunter and most times she went hunting
with her family, she would invite me. My mom would
never let me go, but after months of asking, she
finally let up. The place we went to would be

(02:03:12):
a wooded area with very little light. Before it continue,
I feel it would be crucial to mention her brother
was coming with us as well. Continuing on. When we
got there, we started gathering wood for the fire for later. Ashley,
her brother, and I went to go gather it. We
start looking for wood, but we soon realized there was
a terrible stench that filled the air. It smells like

(02:03:34):
rotting meat and garbage. We ignored the smell, thinking it
was just a deer or some other wildlife. We kept going.
We had gathered enough wood, so we headed back. As
we turned around to head back, we hear a scream.
It sounded like a young girl, but it also sounded off.
I can describe it just not right. Ashley wanted to

(02:03:58):
know what it was, but I just ushered her to
keep going on and told her to just ignore it.
By the time we got back, it was starting to
get dark outside. As soon as we placed all the firewood,
we started the fire. We just kind of sat there talking. Ashley,
her brother, and I brought up the story of what
happened to us earlier in the woods when we were
looking for firewood.

Speaker 5 (02:04:18):
Her parents told us.

Speaker 6 (02:04:19):
That we could have had a run in with a
wend to go or a skim walker, but we did
not believe in that sort of stuff. As soon as
we finished the campfire and s'mores and all that type
of fun stuff, we headed off to bed. Me and
Ashley stayed in the same tent after a while trying
to sleep. I couldn't sleep, so I decided to go
for a short walk around the little campsite we were

(02:04:39):
staying at. While I was taking this walk, I noticed
that there were little footprints around. They looked to be
bigger than a deer's, but were too small to be
anything else. I decided to start heading back to the tent.
But no sooner than I did that, I heard that
same the blood curdling scream of a little girl again.
This time it seemed closer and for some reason, sounded aggravated.

(02:05:03):
I looked around, but I saw nothing. I pulled out
my flashlight and shined over to the trees. I wish
I had not done that. I saw something I've never
seen in my life, this terrifying eight foot tall creature
staring back at me. Looking back at this now, I'm
almost positive what I saw was a wind to go
or a skim walker, just like her parents said. And

(02:05:26):
typing this out now, it's all coming straight back to
my mind now. I really just didn't know what to
do in that moment, so I ran off hit in
the tent and luckily didn't hear or see anything else.
I'm not sure what that thing wanted, if it was
hunting me, trying to lure me out, or it was
just trying to scare us.

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It's a lot of fun, just like listening to this show.
Time for the UFO Report.

Speaker 10 (02:06:06):
At the stars to night.

Speaker 11 (02:06:09):
Still no shining him sky, When's how the store is
breaking through? What he comes into view from.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
This secrets.

Speaker 10 (02:06:25):
The mouse laissing little swipe.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Sotu house stall is the last.

Speaker 10 (02:06:41):
Jun all weird gotch all.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Massa becomes a soul.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
All right. We have Grant Baker coming on in and
it's always good to have you here with the latest
and greatest, said the UFO news. How you doing, my
friend doing great?

Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
Thank you so much for having me my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Oh man, I'll tell you I have tentatus in my
ears and I've had it for years. I blame working
in radio and wearing headphones, and that is probably the
reason why I don't wear headphones very often. And I'll
tell you my tentatus is so loud tonight, so loud,

(02:07:30):
and that's all I hear is the ringing right now.
And I'm just like, oh, I just want to go
to bed and you know, sleep it off and let
it relax for a little bit, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:07:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
If you suffer from tinnitus, let me know how do
you deal with it? Because I can't stand it. I
can't stand it. It's brutal.

Speaker 5 (02:07:52):
Sorry to hear that. The only the only time I
ever get it is that just random weird ear. You're
seeing a ring in one ear and it happens for
about ten seconds and then goes away. And I used
to tell my parents that and they're, oh, just someone's
thinking about you really hard.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
I've heard that too. Yeah, but when it's constant from
the time you wake up till the time you go
to bed, it is what it is, man, it is
what it is. It sucks. Sucks. What do you think
about the whole aspect that the Patterson Gibblin film might
be faked? Oh my, I've actually seen two different versions

(02:08:34):
of this.

Speaker 5 (02:08:34):
Actually, there was an AI program that they just put
that through and it did not detect any fakery involved.
In fact, one of his biggest claims was how the
skin moved around versus if you have a suit, it'll
bunch up in areas like the armpits when they walk.
And it could not find any feasible evidence. And this

(02:08:57):
is just one AI that there was any kind of
hoaxing going on there. So is there another AI now
that's saying that it's a hoax?

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
Well, apparently there is a new movie that's being a
documentary called Capturing Bigfoot. It's being shown south by Southwest
right now, and apparently it shows that the suit was faked.

Speaker 5 (02:09:25):
That's very interesting. I literally yesterday watched that on a
show that I was like a small documentary of a gentleman,
probably a twenty minute one that had put that video
inside of an AI had it and analyzed it, and
then from that analysis because it stabilized the image, zoomed in,
zoomed out, did everything and said it it was not

(02:09:47):
a hoax. So it's very interesting. I'm seeing two different
ones now that you have both sides coming out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Oh, I agree, what's do in the UFO world?

Speaker 5 (02:09:57):
Oh my, oh this was fun. You know Steven Spielberg is,
don't you of course? Oh yes, So, as everybody should know,
he was the creator of Close Encounters of the Third
Kind as well as ET. Now he said some very
interesting things of late, and this is a headline during

(02:10:17):
his SXSW keynote on March thirteenth, where he openly shared
his long standing belief in ET's in extrachast real life.
And he had actually said, this is a quote that
I'm going to read to you, a very strong, sneaking
suspicion that we are not alone here on earth right now,
trying this conviction directly to his upcoming film which is

(02:10:42):
coming out very soon. Actually, and I'm actually looking forward
to seeing it. It's called Disclosure Day for anybody that
doesn't know, and it's a sci fi epic. If you
watch the teasers. There was one during the Super Bowl
game and I want to say halftime, and it explores
social reactions or societal reactions if et was actually to

(02:11:05):
come here and land. It's very interesting the way that
he put it, and the timing is absolutely perfect. Have
you watched any of the the teasers and trailers? I have, Oh,
what do you think about it?

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
There's sony clues. So here's the thing. When you get
somebody who is as good as Steven Spielberg, it's going
to look like they are so so tapped in to
what is going on. It reminds me of Tom Clancy,

(02:11:44):
my favorite author when he was alive and is Jack
Ryan series. And I remember reading one time where Clancy
was actually called into a meeting by the CIA because
they were reading his books. They were like, how do
you know this? How do you know this is going on?

(02:12:06):
You shouldn't know this? Are you a spy? They were
questioning him on this, and he basically said, well, I
get my information from public source, and then I am
a fiction writer, so I put it all together. That's
how he gets it right. So I think Spielberg is

(02:12:26):
quite the same way, where he's involved himself with some
very knowledgeable people. I mean, if you go back to
Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he had j Allen
Heinek in there, he had Jacques Valet in there, and
with that going on, I think that he has had

(02:12:48):
good people give good research, okay, and lead him in
directions to look. You know, if an alien looks one way,
he's probably talked to an experience or to say, no,
that's not the way it walked, that's not the way
it acted. You know, Like I'm tripping out over one
of the Disclosure Day trailers where you hear that type sound.

(02:13:14):
I remember standing on my patio listening to a conversation
at one o'clock in the morning between what was ever
up my driveway and what was standing in my backyard.
It was a weird, weird night having them in there.
And other people have heard that clicking too. We heard

(02:13:38):
that clicking in the movie Signs, and now we hear
it again in Disclosure Day, and it describes what I
have heard and what many other people have heard.

Speaker 5 (02:13:53):
You know, when it comes to these movies, and a
lot of people speculate that Close Encounters the third time,
just like you said, Heinik was involved in it, and
he asked he had somebody that he'd say, Okay, what
are these what do these crafts look like? What do
these beings look like? Now? The being that came out
of the craft at the very end was real, tall
and skinny and really interesting looking. But the craft and

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a lot and the noises like in signs that you're
talking about there, A lot of people are suggesting that
these are key ways to desensitize us through theater, through movie,
and right now, I think most people if you walk
up and say, hey, do you think the aliens could
be real? And most people will say yes. I mean,

(02:14:36):
we're to the point now where if a UFO did
land on the White House lawn, so to speak, came
out and had an alien shaped whoever's hand that showed up,
we'd be like, eh, we've already seen that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
In the Simpsons. Oh goodness, that's very interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:14:56):
Oh yeah. And so here's the crazy thing. Not only
are we have semi disclosure going on, you have Arrow
going through all kinds of stuff. You have the Pentagon
gearing up right now, trying to release things. We're all
waiting for it. And then, as I was saying before, activity,
the activity that people are seeing in the skies has

(02:15:17):
just blown up exponentially. I mean, all the way from
New York to Peru. It is ridiculous. I got a
whole bunch of them here that I've been reading about,
and it's fairly large events that are happening with multiple witnesses,
and it's getting very fun. Did you hear about the
Queens one New York?

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
No, fill me in on that one.

Speaker 5 (02:15:38):
Yes, so March eighth, and this is still buzzing as
of today. And there was a guy named Charlie. Now,
I'm gonna mess this up a little because I kind
of get it backwards. Charlie Korea in Corona, Queens. I
got it, stepped outside of about eight thirty and spotted
what he thought was a shooting star, but then two

(02:15:59):
more white lights. It's actually joined in in it. He
grabbed his phone for an eighteen second video showing these
three orbs, like luminous orbs, moving in a loose triangular formation.
They appeared to be kind of playing with each other
and chasing each other. Now, I've seen this before over
the deserts in Utah and Nevada where but they weren't

(02:16:20):
lit up. I actually saw them in the backdrop of light,
so they appeared to be chasing each other and swerving
and hovering, which is kind of fun to watch. And
then they'd stop abruptly, and then they move again without
any visible means of propulsion. There was no wings, he said,
no exhaust, no blinking lights like an aircraft drone, and

(02:16:40):
one fold ahead and kind of dived out of view,
and the other ones followed. And evidently this is going
viral on Reddit right now, which is redditt UFOs and
outlets like New York Post and Daily Mail even picked
this up, Dave calling it eerie and fueling more speculation.
That was a quote. Commenters note similar sightings that night

(02:17:03):
places like Texas and Ohio. Was some theorizing a single large,
large triangular craft or coordinated small objects. And here's what
I got out of the FAA. And because they reportedly
tracked these UAPs but declined to comment of any comments specifically,
so there's no official explanation yet. Drones near La Guardia

(02:17:25):
Airport get suggested, but the movement seemed too fluid. I mean,
these things are thrust free. They're not hobby you know,
you can hear the drones, the hobby ones. And that's
just in Queens and it goes to Poland, to Peru.
I mean, it's everywhere. The Poland was really interesting too.

(02:17:45):
I mean they got a video from March thirteenth and
that was it in the evening time, around seven o'clock
at night. It shows three bright UFO lights in perfect
triangular formation, just liking Queen's and they were moving silently
across you know, the sky. It's it's short but clear,
and there's no sound of conventional aircraft traits coming from

(02:18:07):
this object. And it's you know, it's shared in other
UFOU excuse me, and other UFO circles as classic triangle cases.
But I mean it's pretty clear that people are starting
to see a lot more activity in the skies, which
is becoming very fun. I'm constantly going out, like you,
Dave and looking up.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
You have to, you have to. And you know what,
what's the worst thing that happens If you're outside for
a little bit and just looking up, you get to
see some beautiful stars, count some satellites, maybe figure out
your constellations. I love staring up at the stars. It's

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one of my favorite hobbies. Man.

Speaker 5 (02:18:56):
That's one of the biggest things I got here where
I live. I can walk right out on my top
deck and just stare at them. Of course, I have
my phone with me so I can track things I
use it. I have two apps on my phone that
I open at all time. One is light Radar twenty four.
Any other one is any kind of star map that

(02:19:16):
I can get hold of, usually the free ones, but
they tell you where all the objects are, like satellites
and everything, and I if I see something, I compare
it to those very quickly. And I right now don't
have the ability to see most air force and military.
I'm still trying to get the keys to get back

(02:19:37):
into that. Once I get that, then I'll start checking
everything out that I see in this guy's as well.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
I got a few years ago a couple of those
those floating chairs that recline so that way I when
I'm staring up at the stars, I could just lay
down in the chair. It doesn't hurt my neck. It's fantastic. Absolutely,
I recommend them those floating chairs. Do you want to

(02:20:06):
stargaze get the floating chairs totally. It is to you.
I'm afraid to try get into a havoc. I'm so clumsy.
We'll get into a hammock, you know, but you gotta
get the right one. Maybe maybe have you been following

(02:20:27):
up on the general McCaslin.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
So as of yet, I did have a blurb on that,
and especially since the wife, they're still looking. The wife
has publicly dismissed UFO related misinformation and emphasized is no
law or no, he has no special knowledge on the topic,
which is very interesting that they would put that out there.

(02:20:52):
I mean to specifically state he has no special knowledge
on the UFO topic. Okay, circles like what you mean?
You're in They link it to disclosure momentum. Most of
us are speculating foul play and cover ups. But I
see here that mainstream coverage treats it as a standard

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missing person's case, and it adds to the eerie layer
of the cultural conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:21:18):
So what do you got, Well, there is some fresh
audio here that come out from the Sheriff's department that
I think I want. I definitely want the audience to
hear it. I think it's really important so that way
we can actually have an understanding of what is going
on here.

Speaker 12 (02:21:40):
Everybody's asking why a silver alert on mister Micausle. With
the Mexico State statute, a silver alert does not require
a formal.

Speaker 3 (02:21:49):
Diagnosis of any mental deterioration.

Speaker 12 (02:21:53):
The reason being also is because mister Micausele is over
fifty years of age. He did state that he was
variencing a mental fog, and because of this information that
we received.

Speaker 1 (02:22:04):
We decided to do a silver alert.

Speaker 12 (02:22:08):
Mister mccauslin, it was confirmed, was looking in to some
of those mental fog.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Without of respect for the family.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
I will not go onto any further detail. The mental
fog is pretty much what it is.

Speaker 13 (02:22:19):
That was his statement about what he was experiencing that
was cited as reasons for stepping down from some different.

Speaker 3 (02:22:24):
Groups that he was working with.

Speaker 13 (02:22:27):
I'll clarify it with this. There's no indication and we
are not putting forward that mister mccastling was disoriented, confused.
Arguably he would still be the most intelligent person in
the room that any of us would be in highly intelligent,
highly capable, but that information was given to us early
on and out of an abundance of caution. We escalated

(02:22:49):
to the silver alert to try to garner as much
public attention as possible to.

Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
Try to help locate him as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (02:22:56):
And how recent was the mental fog statement?

Speaker 3 (02:22:58):
Was it immediately proceeding or is it months ago?

Speaker 12 (02:23:00):
It's been within the prior few months. Everybody's asking why
as well.

Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
I mean, that's where you know, we get an intel
right there, Matt or Grant of what is going on
that they believe that there is this mental fog. They're
not calling it dementia, they're not calling it Alzheimer's, but
just that he has this mental fog. And all I
got to say is, Okay, it's possible. It's very possible

(02:23:31):
that he has some sort of brain disease or mental
malfunction that is going on as we speak, and that's
what's caused him to vanish. But the weird part about
it is, as far as we know, there is no

(02:23:51):
video of him leaving the house on his neighbor's cameras,
on their ring cameras, on their security cameras. Unless the
police are hiding something on that, there's nothing there. And
how does somebody just vanish? How do they just disappear,

(02:24:14):
and we're going to continue this conversation when we get back,
because there's another aspect to the General McCaslin disappearance that
I think has to have a little bit more attention
on Space Out Radio's UFO report.

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
This is spaced Out Radio, and your hosts nay, stop.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
All right, we're clear. Oh I'm just gonna find this
one thing because this is.

Speaker 5 (02:25:16):
I don't know just the timing of it. Oh yeah,
we can talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
Yeah, give me a couple of seconds here.

Speaker 5 (02:25:28):
I like how that guy said, oh, he's the smartest
guy in the room. There is.

Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
H oh stop typing like that.

Speaker 7 (02:26:13):
M hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:26:14):
I want to say so much.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
An I'm getting frustrated here. It's weird. I cannot find

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this story all of a sudden.

Speaker 5 (02:26:43):
Is it? Is it on the General?

Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
It has something to do with him?

Speaker 5 (02:26:47):
Yeah, because there is one on X. I read it now.

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
I'm thinking me one session here, that's the one right there?

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Um excuse me?

Speaker 14 (02:27:50):
Oh wow, Well, I hope everybody in the chat is

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doing well this evening good sing y'all.

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
All right, I got it. We got about a buck
this wedding.

Speaker 5 (02:29:01):
Sweet. I just I didn't realize you were going there
right quick, so I can took me surprise, So I
had to go back a few pages.

Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
I can't hear you right now. Just give you a second.
I'm trying to pop the tendatives here a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:29:25):
Of course, I didn't know there was a cure for that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:38):
Let's go back OU to a cure, and it is
you can't. Common causes, hearing loss, loud noise, exposure, concerts, machinery, headphones,
ear wax, build up, our blockage, stress, anxiety, certain medications,

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no jaw issues or neck tension. Neck tension probably all right,
five seconds, final half hour of tonight's show. It is

(02:30:40):
the UFO Report. Our good friend Grant Baker is with
us as we are talking about the disappearance of General
Neil mccasle. Now, one thing we need to remember, Grant.
I mean, there's a lot of speculation with what happened,
what is going on here? And Loue Elizondo was on
Fox News basically saying he does not believe for a

(02:31:03):
second that this is UFO related, whereas a lot of
conspiracy theorists are going to point in that direction, because
let's face it, General McCaslin had a multi billion dollar mind.
He was a brilliant student. He held some of the
United States Air Force's most secret programs, including UFOs, which

(02:31:28):
he was involved with. Elizondo went on to say that
he was an advisor to the To the Stars Academy
behind the scenes. And this is somebody who's name first
came up with the founder of the To of the
Stars Academy, Tom DeLong and John Podesta in the wiki
Leak's Leak by Julian Assange on this So there is

(02:31:51):
a lot of information that this guy knows. And look,
it's not just about aliens and UFOs. We're talking electronic
warfare at all sorts of specialized weaponry and technology that
the US had developed grant.

Speaker 5 (02:32:06):
Yeah, and he even oversaw classified space weapons programs. He
served as a chief engineer on GPS, directed special Pentagon programs,
and managed a two point two billion dollar science tech budget.
This dude's off the chart.

Speaker 1 (02:32:23):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He had a multimillion dollar brain.
So how he vanishes? Could it be somebody who wants
information from that brain? But let's throw a caveat in
here for a second, okay, because this is where it
gets interesting, and the conspiracy theorists might be onto something

(02:32:45):
here because his former assistant, a lady named Monica Jacinto
Reza okay, disappeared in the same area around June of
twenty twenty five. Yes she did. Now, Raisa was very

(02:33:17):
much into technology. She worked very closely with General McCaslin.
And look, we're not saying there was anything nefarious going
on here, but this is what it said. The Air
Force started funding raises. This is by Ross coltheart by

(02:33:37):
the way, Okay, the Air Force started funding raises super
alloy work in nineteen ninety nine. Mccaslyn commanded AFRIL from
May twenty eleven to July twenty thirteen, overseeing four point
four billion in science, technology, and customer funded research and

(02:33:58):
development at Wright Patterson Air Force Space. His budget directly
funded the programs that depended on Raisa's alloy R one
hydrocarbon boost air force propulsion. She was brilliant and she
vanished as well, and four days after she was reported missing,

(02:34:20):
she apparently was deceased or reported deceased. However, nobody knows
if she was actually found or not. Now, could something
have happened? Could it be a little bit more than
just a coincidence that sixty year old Monica Raisa at

(02:34:45):
four foot eleven and one hundred and one pounds had
just vanished. Now pardon me, it was I don't believe
it was in the same area. It was in California
that she di disappeared. I apologize, I want to correct that. Okay,
So is there a tie in to her vanishing and

(02:35:08):
now general McCaslin vanishing.

Speaker 5 (02:35:12):
So far that I've been seeing, the raise of one
is very interesting, but most of the theories are a silencing,
silencing theory exactly like almost all of us suspect if
you disappear and there's no trace all the things that
are most important you were left behind. There's no camera

(02:35:34):
within seven hundred homes that they searched on ring cameras.
Nobody found this dude. He didn't even It was like
he just went outside and disappeared. It's super super like
conspiracy theorists and X and you name it. Anybody that's
reading this is just going crazy right now. You don't

(02:35:56):
even have to be a conspiracy theorist to flee through
the lines on this one.

Speaker 1 (02:36:00):
But that's what I'm saying, Like, her disappearance is very strange.
Ross Colthart put on X As the search continues for
Major General Neil McCaslin, Grave neew questions about his former colleague,
who also disappeared while hiking in the same area. Someone
declared Monica Jacinto raised a dead and buried. Four days

(02:36:25):
into the search, while SAR teams search and rescue from
half the state of California, we're still combing the mountain sides.
I mean, does that not seem weird?

Speaker 5 (02:36:37):
That doesn't make a bit of sense at all, not
at all. Everybody knows that that person's missing, everybody's searching
for it, and all of a sudden you come up
with this story that, oh, no's she accidentally unlived or
whatever happened and has already had a service. Not I mean,
and in fact, Ross Colhart called what's going on with

(02:36:58):
the general is a grave national security crisis. And if
you go into that, I mean, he's held some of
the most sensitive secrets in his head when it comes
to UFOs.

Speaker 1 (02:37:08):
Well, this is David Politis like, okay, so this is
from the search and rescue from this report on the
Sentinel network dot substack dot com. They mapped every search
track on cal topo or topo for topography to prevent
overlap across forty to fifty mile radius, They ran canines.

(02:37:32):
They deployed what Vienna described as forensic technology, photography, airships, drones, canines,
and other specialized tools. With nearly no available resource untapped.
One piece of physical evidence was recovered on the morning
of June twenty third, approximately twenty four hours after the disappearance.

(02:37:55):
A beanie belonging to Raisa was found in a steep
ravine south of the ridge, descending towards Devil's Canyon. Scent
dogs tracked Raz's trail from the upper ridge downward and
successfully followed it to the beanie. They lost the scent
entirely after that, no exit trail, no trail in any direction.

(02:38:18):
Raises scent simply stopped at the beanie and went nowhere.

Speaker 5 (02:38:26):
And that was Mount Waterman somewhere else interesting And she
was sixty.

Speaker 1 (02:38:37):
As of March twenty twenty six, Monica Raisa has not
been found. So, oh, pardon me, there's a little bit
more here, because I skipped over it accidentally. The day
she went missing, someone reported hearing a woman screaming in

(02:38:57):
the general vicinity. The original witness was never publicly identified.
The time and exact location were never disclosed. A lip
bomb was later found far from both the last known
position and the beanie. Subject A insisted it looked new
and was hers. The only photo provided showed it looking weathered.

(02:39:21):
Forum investigators noted that it was a common brand that
could have belonged to any of the hundreds of searchers
who had already covered the area in the weeks before
its surfaced. Yeah, this is so weird, so riddling this.

Speaker 5 (02:39:39):
I mean, you got two people and you got a
very interesting timing and patterns. Because she disappears of June
of twenty five, hiking with no trace. Mccasly vanishes February
twenty seventh of twenty six on foot from homes. Both
of them leave their homes and he leaves all his

(02:40:01):
stuff behind. And this is off depart But they were
both avid outdoorsmen women.

Speaker 1 (02:40:09):
I am freaking out right now. What's up my second
microphone in the studio. It was sitting up like this
and then it just turn in. I have like goose
pop big here this is this is like three feet

(02:40:29):
in front of me, three feet in front of me
right there, three feet in front of me. I am
flipping out right now, flipping out, Oh my god. Okay,

(02:40:51):
all right, let's continue. Sorry for interrupting. That scared me.
That scared me right there, So you're right though, like
getting back on topic. It is now I'm staring at
my microphone waiting for it to move again.

Speaker 5 (02:41:08):
All right, Like the paper and the guitar screens.

Speaker 1 (02:41:13):
If you add in both of them, multi billion dollar brains,
multi billion dollars worth of knowledge in their heads. Okay,
there is potentially something strange going on, and of course,

(02:41:36):
in any investigation, the police are not going to give
up any of that. You know, she's in California, he's
in New Mexico. Obviously not an affair going on. So
it is Grant, just one of those weird, weird traits.
Why two of the same people who were so tightly

(02:41:59):
put together all of a sudden vanish.

Speaker 5 (02:42:04):
There was a story about Raza, and it's what people
are calling the broader clean up of things. I mean,
you're talking about a gal that had very what is
the word novel alloys? I guess you would call very
exotic materials, knowledge of these materials, and there was a

(02:42:25):
theory and it's part of a string of suspicions that
there was losses in them in these these advanced physics
and propulsions adjacent fields to the UAP and UFO stuff,
and she was a part of that. And so you
have somebody that has all these interesting and very novel
materials that certain how would I say this, other countries

(02:42:50):
I guess would be very interested in. And so there
was like this novel tie in where the others are
influencing tech races and our foreign app aniversaries are having
recoveries and they're targeting US experts. It's a lot of
speculation on that as well. And when you have somebody
like Raisa going into the mountains and they find the

(02:43:11):
beanie and the lipstick or lip wow, so whatever it is.
And this is somebody that was always in the mountains,
always hiking, and you you don't tell somebody where you
went when you're going out there, you know, like that
guy that spent one hundred and seventy some odd hours
out in the out in the you know, with his

(02:43:34):
hands stuck in a rock. You know, you tell somebody
you're going out there. So it just none of this
lines up. And the similarities between these two are too profound.
To ignore.

Speaker 1 (02:43:49):
I would agree with you, it is a little too coincidental.
We're going to continue following this grant. We got seven
and a half minutes left. What do you got for us?

Speaker 5 (02:43:58):
So we have the Peru one that I wanted to
tell you guys about, And it was very interesting that
we're getting all these sightings everybody. I encourage you to,
if you're interested in this subject, look these up. It's
happening every day. It's a flood of information and it's

(02:44:18):
very interesting when you have things in New York and
things in Utah and Texas well in this month. Recently,
another compelling clip was forwarded around the fifteen sixteenth that
shows a semi transparent, semi visible object and it was
appearing over a small town in Peru. The witnesses actually

(02:44:41):
described them as glitching in and out of visibility, and
we've heard this before, like a matrix glitch, and it's
taking solid shape at times and then glowing. And they
reported that it deployed smaller spheres, which we've heard constantly
over the years, where you'll see a bigger or object
disbursing smaller ones underneath it. They were scanned, you know,

(02:45:07):
they that were scanning the area below on this one,
like in grid light patterns or possibly surveying terrain or
infrastructure whatever was under them. Of course, these witnesses, you know,
they were walking downhill and caught it unknowingly at first.
So there's analysts on it, including some in the community
like Eddie Abbott who ran deep fake AI checks and

(02:45:30):
called it authentic and that there was no obvious folks markers,
because there are markers and videos if you, you know,
managed to edit them a little bit, including pictures, you
can edit them, but there's always a watermark that says
edited by this software and blah blah blah, and it's
deep within the code. And one described it as one

(02:45:51):
of the better civilian captures with the spheres deploying from
a MAINFAFT. There is no official word, but it's I mean,
I'm excited because you have enthusiasts with the showing the
scanning behavior and I mean almost makes you wonder what
they're looking for. But I mean there's ongoing reports of

(02:46:11):
mystery orbs over like let's say Laguna Beach. There was
some over there in California ocean views nightly sidings with
swooping motions. Some say, they've been consistent for weeks. You know,
there's a couple scattered ORB videos from March fourteenth, one
heading north and one heading east. It's basic, but adding
to the cluster vibe of what we're saying. And then

(02:46:34):
I mean, there's the general uptick in orbs in the
southwest United States, from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona all around
mid March, you know, with the same thing. It's glowing
lights and coordinated patterns and color shifts, and you can
pick these up on YouTube, x, Instagram, Facebook. People are

(02:46:54):
posting them wherever their social media sites are and it's
actually kind of becoming difficult to follow them all, to
be honest with you. And ever since this whole subject's
been going down, you have old presidents and new presidents
saying something about it. And now you got the Pentagon
and Arrow, you know, ramping up there. We're gonna let

(02:47:16):
suff out. And then you have the two disappearances as well,
the one disappearance with the General. Then you have tons
more sightings. Now I don't know if that correlates, just
because it's in the news media. I've heard this before.
Once people kind of become aware of it, more people
are looking up and that may be the case, and
now more people are starting to catch these things.

Speaker 1 (02:47:40):
I think, you know, the benefit of what we see
going on in the UFO world, where people are starting
to take that opportunity to say, hey, maybe I can
catch something outside. I think we're gonna get more videos.
I think we're gonna get more captures, and I think
that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (02:47:59):
Well, I'm gonna tell you right now. I went as
of last week. I rolled myself into my room and
dusted off the camera because I haven't been outside for
a while, and I'm going to start going out on
the top deck in my little wheelchair and I'm going
to start staring at the sky for a while.

Speaker 8 (02:48:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:48:18):
You're going to be one of those people who just
you know, has some deep thoughts memes coming out of that.

Speaker 5 (02:48:25):
Maybe maybe I don't know, there's maybe el sit there
and will one into existence in front of me and
get a good picture of it.

Speaker 1 (02:48:35):
Oh, that would be great. We got about three minutes
to go here before we have to say good night
to you and good night to everybody on the show.
The one thing that I want people to do, you know,
and I talk very critically at times about UFOs. I
talked very critically about a lot of things on this
show as much as I'm a believer, but I think

(02:48:56):
it's exciting when you have somebody brand new to the subject,
like I was a long time ago, and they see
something that they can't explain. Enjoy the moment. Okay, sure,
do your homework. Learn what the International Space Station is doing.
Learn when starlink is flying over. You don't want to

(02:49:17):
be one of those people who is recording starlink after
so many years and trying to pass it off as
a fleet of UFO is coming over the horizon. Don't
be that person. But when you see something that doesn't
make sense, okay, where all of a sudden you think
you're watching at satellites and they stop, or you think

(02:49:42):
you're watching a black triangle like I did, and all
of a sudden, the front, the front one, the front
light does a ninety degree angle, it shoots to the south.
Those are moments right there, man, that are so work it.
It is so worth the time to go sit outside

(02:50:04):
and look, you could complain about it being cold, You
can complain about the mosquitoes, like look, I can tell
you right now, I got snow on my deck. I
am not going outside in this weather to go look
for UFOs. But come springtime, you know, come summertime and fall,

(02:50:24):
take the time to look up. Take the time, and
you know what, if you live near a military base,
that actually benefits you because you know what's flying there.
You know what kind of jets they're flying, You'll know
what kind of what time they are flying, and so
on so forth. And when you learn your scenario and

(02:50:47):
you learned your surroundings, you realize that something maybe there
that you haven't even seen before. It is so worth it.
Give yourself the break and just go outside and look up,
and the worst case scenario, have some fun with it.

(02:51:08):
Take your kids outside and say, hey, let's see who
can count the most satellites tonight. Let's see who can
find the International Space Station if it's flying by. It
doesn't have to be about UFOs. Can you name the constellations?
What about a nice clear night where you actually get
to see the Milky Way and all of her beautiful colors.

(02:51:32):
It's worth it, That's all I'm saying. And I think
you feel the same way too, Grant.

Speaker 5 (02:51:39):
I definitely do. Thank you so much, my man.

Speaker 1 (02:51:42):
It is absolutely great. A great UFO report from Grantavius Maximus,
from UFO Max Grant Baker and the UFO Report. We'll
talk to him in a couple of nights time. And
for the rest of you, as we say, stare up
at the star because you never know what you're gonna find.

(02:52:03):
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