Ancient Lost Civilizations & Hidden History | Aleksander Czeszkiewicz - Spaced Out Radio

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today for a beautiful paranormal conference in the heart of
British Columbia. We have an amazing show tonight, all the
way from Poland. Alexander Schaskevich is going to be here
to talk about Earth's lost mysteries. It's going to be
a great show. Indeed, I'm very excited about learning this

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off right after that. Josh Rutledge will be filling in
for an ailing Lee Strauss in the Q and A
to wrap up tonight's show. So let's get right to it,
shall we. Alexander Shaiskavich is a Polish researcher and author.
His first book was written just at the age of seventeen,

(03:18):
followed by many articles and shorter works. He collaborated and
was included in plenty of podcasts all around the world,
including Earth Ancients podcast with Cliff Dunning. His main areas
of research and interest are lost civilizations, Atlantis, lost history
of humanity, consciousness, and the entire universe. If you want

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to check out his website, it is schiscavich Global dot com.
I'll spell that for you cz ees zk I e
wi cz global dot com, So go check it on out.
Alexander Shiskavich. It is great to have you on spaced
Out Radio for the first time. How were you?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Hello? Everyone? Thanks for having me young.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
This is gonna be a lot of fun. I mean,
I gotta tell you, man, when I was seventeen years old,
all I knew in life was that I wanted to
chase girls, I wanted to play hockey, and I wanted
to have fun. And here you are at seventeen years old,
way back when doesn't look that long ago, and you're
writing books and articles.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yes, I was spiderriding my life and had plenty of
things going on in my teenage years, so I was
taking all the opportunities, not only at writing, all sort
of sports and other stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
How did you get started in all of this? What
was the interest when.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
It comes to the main topics of today, like civilizations,
Mistress of the Universe. It started when I was a teenager.
When I was in the middle high school. I was
always a good student, had no problems exams and stuff
like that. But in order to be safer at choosing
high school next after the middle high school, I attempted

(05:10):
plenty of different competitions and it was especially during the
historical one that I started questioning stuff that I was learning,
and I started saying that there is probably much more
to what we are being.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Taught about our paths.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
So that's when I started researching all of that, and
this led, as you've said in the beginning, to me writing,
and it was this book Dasia, who has serving already been.
It's like four hundred pages plus with footnotes, bibliography, everything
about loss of civilizations and cyclical time. And this is
the basis of this story, how it started such at

(05:48):
an early.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Age, the fact that you allowed your imagination to grab
a hold of a subject that meant something to you
because you wanted to learn more as a young man.
I commend you for that. I really do commend you
for that, and I think it is absolutely awesome that
you decided to find your niche and you decided to

(06:13):
run with it. You know, you ran with it, and
you've written books on it. You've become a premier talker
on this subject all around the world. That happened pretty fast.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yes, yes, it happened. It happened, Thank you. I had
a few even years of breaks in between. Right now,
I'm twenty three. I'm also a student at my local
university here in Dansk, and I was positively surprised because
what we are talking about is very often considered alternative history,

(06:44):
alternative science and so on.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But actually I gave a few copies of my book
to a few.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Doctors and professors, and some of them were positively surprised
that it's good that young people are interested in such topics.
And right now I'm like interdisciplinary student and I'm studying
what I love, so ancient civilizations mainly Middle East, with languages,
religions and stuff like that. And it started very early

(07:11):
because also I had like the background for everything. I was,
as I said, always a good student. I had plenty
of resources. My mom was actually a historian, so I
had plenty of books and stuff like that. And probably
it was during all of the research because for this
competition during my middle high school, I need to learn
the entire history, even prehistory, from the hominids before our

(07:33):
own species, millions of years ago up until the modern times.
And I started questioning the big picture of how it
is shown to us. And I started questioning, and it's
not even questioning.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I started asking basic questions.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
About how do we know that, how do we know
that this civilization was the first one, how do we
know that this was the turn of events, that this
led to this led to that, and so on.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
And then I started that reading.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
You know, more sources, even more controversial ones, what the
ancient ancestors we're talking about? And as you've said, I
led up into this niche, and I want to because I.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Have the capability to do that.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
I have the background right now, and I have, at
least to some EXTENTSI freedom. So I want to discover
the biggest mysteries of the entire reality universe, not only history,
because I think these are the important things that can
completely change our understanding of reality, can really impact the

(08:36):
entire world, and not only focusing specifically on one area
for most of our lives that can lead us to
only small percentage of change and of evolution.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
When you look back on what got you started on this,
What was the one piece that really caught your attention
that you said, I need to I need to study this,
I need to delve into this. Was it Atlantis? Was
it you know something? Maybe biblical? Was it go Beckley Tepe?

(09:15):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think the main idea was, unfortunately the big picture
of not like specific one topic or specific one object
artifact building, but the entire big picture of how our
history was presented to young people doing in their educational
system curriculum. Because I've also had at my home some

(09:43):
older books from twenty thirty forty years before, and when
I compared what was being taught forty or thirty years
before me, and what was being taught at the moment
that I was studying. I've seen plenty of differences, plenty,
and you see it even nowadays, right now.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
When I was about five years ago writing my.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Book, it was a common consensus, even a conservative one,
that anatomically modern humans saw our species, the same ones
as we are today, appeared about two hundred thousand years ago,
and right now it's about conservatively three hundred fifteen thousand,
so sixty percent older than that. And it's even believed
that we diverged, let's say, from the previous home minute,

(10:28):
about half a million years ago. And I've seen plenty
of other of different examples of that. I remember recently
reading a book from like two thousand and four or something,
so a little bit more than twenty years ago, and
I was shocked that it was that anatomically humors appeared
fifty thousand years ago. And again I remember having some

(10:48):
textbooks from my parents, and it was when it comes
to the let's say, ancient history, it was again completely
different and presented in different form that for instance, there
was no mention of ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Summer, it was
that Egypt.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Was the first in Greece and Rome.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
So I've seen these differences, I think, and how we
were taking back the roots of both humanity as a species,
both civilizations, discovering new ones. And I've seen that if
just in a few decades there was such a change,
what will be different let's say in the next twenty
thirty fifty years. And there are plenty of examples from

(11:28):
history that we were discovering stuff, for instance, ancient Mesopotamia.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Right now, we know that ancient Summer is the.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
First civilization, let's say in the mainstream paradigm, of course,
without alternative ones lost civilization. But let's say in the
mainstream it is common knowledge that ancient Summer about thirty
five hundred BC is the first civilization, but actually most
of any kind of civilizations from the Middle East, because
it's not only Sumerians but also Acadians and other ones.

(11:57):
We discovered death less than two hundred years ago in
eighteen forties, and these civilizations were less than two hundred
years ago, considered purely mythical.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
There were no evidence.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
We haven't we didn't start any excavations there, so we thought, oh,
maybe these are just legends, and right now it's common
knowledge that these are the basics of civilization. So I
thought to myself, when it comes to other stories like
ancestral narratives about the films, Atlantis and other all of civilizations,
what if it is right now the same situation that

(12:30):
we consider them in the mention of course as just
mythical legendary because we just haven't found the evidence for
them yet. But maybe our history is sol or and
maybe in twenty years it will be common knowledge, as
in the case of ancient Sumerians.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
That these were the first civilizations.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
So I think the big picture was the main idea
that started my research and started everything.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Would your parents think, hmm?

Speaker 5 (12:58):
I think they ever opened such theories. They are not
like they were supportive throughout my career. I published my
first book with their financial ass is bad. They aren't
like very in depth going.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
On these topics, but are open about that.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
As I've said, my mom was a historian in years ago.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Did they think this was something you would grow out
of or did they just really encourage you to keep researching?

Speaker 4 (13:29):
No?

Speaker 5 (13:29):
I think it wasn't like just oh, it will be
justified in my life. No, I think they were to
some extent happy that because it was of course better
than just doing nothing or doing bad things, and that
was just in the reading books, researching stuff, so they
were positive about it.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I love it. I love the fact that you've delved
so deeply into this, the passion that you have for it.
What keeps that passion going because you're just studying history books,
it's tough to find anything new. What's the passion?

Speaker 5 (14:09):
I think the passion is that we hear all of
these for instance, Ancient Aliens TV program. We hear all
of these crazy stories about giants, lots of civilizations and
stuff like that, and modern de bunkers want to say, oh,
it's all miss legends, nothing. But when you actually and
I started very early on, when I was fifteen or something,

(14:31):
getting translations of the original ancient texts like Plato's Dialogues
Demison Critics in which he describes Atlantis, or the Egyptian
Book of the Death or any kind of other Mahabarat,
the Vedas and stuff like that, and when you actually
read the original text or the famous Book of Enoch
or other stuff, you see crazy things going on there

(14:53):
and that it isn't just myths and legends, but our
ancient ancestors were portraying the past in a comple litally
different and crazy way that you know, there were so
many mysteries. Here are the giants or the nephil Im.
Here the destructions, Here Atlantis is sinking and stuff like that.
Here are the manas flying machines, her psychic capabilities, and

(15:15):
the exact calculations of what era are we in, were
when the flood was and stuff like that. You see
that it's there's tones of knowledge in these ancient texts
that survived to a lot of times, and that it's
from our modern perspective of let's sayes we are learning
textbooks scientific ones, physics, chemistry, biology, history. It's a crazy,

(15:39):
literally crazy story. But you also see that these stories
are very compatible to each other. If you check out
the Middle Eastern sources, ancient India, Mesopotamia and other they
are very compatible with each other. It's not like, oh,
these people were imagining these stuff. These people were imagining
these or or oh this is fan does thee like

(16:01):
ancient sci fi of our ancestors. Now you see that
there are plenty of connections, even exact connections like the
dates names, different kinds of deities, of groups of people
of certain number, like seven people here, seven people there
that build the civilizations and stuff like that. So I

(16:21):
think this is the biggest passion that you see that
in these texts there there are so many things and
they are to some extent unresolved. Mistress, because if they
aren't in the textbook, or if they aren't in the
mainstream narrative about our past, you see that it is
very worthy of investigating these topics. And I started just

(16:45):
last year studying here at my local university, and I
was again positively surprised because I been talking about these
things for years that actually at these at this academic level,
at least here in Poland, we are learning that we
know almost nothing about our history. It's like a small
person that when it comes to the ancient past, and

(17:05):
probably even you know, they historians are telling us that
that we may never know the exact truth, let's say
historically from the methodological perspective, because not many things survived
till our times.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Do you think there will ever come a time when
we are able to actually solve these mysteries of the
Pyramids or ancient Greece, or find where Noah's arc Is
or even Atlantis.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yes, I'm very positive and very optimistic about that because
I see so many new discoveries. For instance, what I've
learned in the last few months is that, for instance,
again we know that oh, ancient Sumerians were the first civilizations,
but there are actually even in the mainstream narrative, but
it's not very often talked about.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
There are a few proto.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Civilizations, pre civilizations that pre data ancient Sumerians at least
eight thousand years, so there were one thousand years before
the Submerians, but they are not officially called civilization because
for instance, one didn't have a writing system or it
just haven't survived till our times. And when it comes
to the definition of civilization, it needs to have writing

(18:18):
system or in another candidate, and even there are a
few ones from Eastern Europe that are at least eight
thousand years older than the Submerians.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
We see that we have something.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
That looks like script, looks like writing bad because we
cannot decipher it. Yet this writing or this science or something,
we cannot say it's language or it's writing because we
cannot decipher it. So maybe these are just some different
kinds of science. So I am very optimistic about that,
and as I've said, I've been studying very extensively. This

(18:51):
was my initial passion about the history of science because
the science is just actually a few hundred years old,
and other ancestral narratives, all of these stories are thousands
of years, all repeated, and plenty of cultures all across
the globe. These were traditions that were much longer than

(19:11):
the modern science itself. And as I've said, this example
of ancient Mesopotamia that we had plenty of different sources about.
It was not only the Sumerians, but there are plenty
of Sumerians, Acadians, Assyrians, Babylonians. We had a few about
Assyrians and Babylonian sources from the later times, but there
are also sources speaking that there were huge cities, huge civilizations.

(19:34):
Religious texts like the Bible said that Abraham came from
a Sumerian, probably city of Or, and later we found
that this city was real. But there were even historians,
ancient ones that were talking about civilizations in them there
is but everything was covered and mad. We didn't have
any evidence for that, so all of that was considered mythical.

(19:58):
But right now, if you look at the ancient a potimatter,
there is so there have been so many things discovered,
you know, about three thousand years of forgotten history, and
you can have like plenty of such big books about
all of the discoveries. And it was just it started
in eighteen forties. Ancient Egypt was known to the Europeans

(20:20):
of the Renaissance of the Medieval Ages, but there were
only a few expeditions there before, let's say Napoleonic one
in the late seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds. So you
see that the modern history is a very recent one,
and I think that we'll find more and more evidence.
Just that we haven't found the Atlantis yet doesn't mean

(20:42):
that it didn't exist. So I'm very optimistic that we
will find these kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
But it's also.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
About other mysteries like the Pyramids or other stuff. I
think it's not only about the material science in this
disherent form objective one, but I think it's also again
another topic for a bit later today, about philosophy of science,
how it works, methodology, because I think we need some
kind of paradigm shift, some kind of update to the

(21:12):
basics of science in order to expand our horizons and
get into these bigger mysteries like maybe mysteries of spirituality,
of psychic abilities of the pyramids, their energy or remote
viewing and stuff like that. So I think it's also
about science. Oh, I cannot hear you, but I don't

(21:38):
know if.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's on there. There you go. We have about two
and a half minutes before we have to go to
break at the bottom of the hour. Alexander Schishkevitch is
our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. We're talking about
a lot of history that we've only been able to
read through books. And those books and those words going
back thousands of years. How do you translate those words

(22:03):
to try and find something new, whether it's a location
or another clue maybe answer a mystery.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
To be short, I think the best way is to
compare plenty of different texts and search for similar motive,
similar topics about like the Great flood, the cataclysm that
destroyed civilization or kick started one. I think this is
the best way. Bad it's not only texts. We find
more and more artifacts, maybe in some cases single ones

(22:33):
that are again taking the words of civilization, of civilized
humanity culture by thousands of years. And I think we
should go into this topic after the break, like Goublicly
tape and plenty of other archaeological stuff too, because it's
not only the texts.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Well you know what it is, as we got about
it ninety seconds to go. It is a fascinating subject
at least because I think as someone who looks from
the outside like I do, it's very tough for me
to look at this and say what else can we discover?
You know, but people like me were naive to the

(23:12):
subject because we're not throwing our emotional investment into the subject,
which is what you have and a number of others
have in order to try and solve the mystery. But
it is really a big jigsaw puzzle.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yes, yes, there I will expand this idea that there
are much more things happening, that there is a huge
probability about what was happening in the most distant eras.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
There are so many stuff.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
So just after the break, because I based my book
on actually such questions.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I get it. I get it. I'm going to get
you to hold on right there, because when we come back,
we're gonna hit them with some hard questions here, where
is Atlantis? What happened to the lost civilizations? Why ancient
cities just vanished disappeared. Our guest tonight is Alexander Shishkevich.

(24:09):
He is a researcher into the mysteries of the universe,
from cosmology to lost ancient civilizations. We're gonna get right
into it when we return on spaced Out Radio. This
is a good show. This is a young man who
has taken the bull by the horns and wants to
find out what really happened thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds

(24:33):
of thousands of years ago. This is spaced out Radio.

(24:58):
All right, we are clear. Now our YouTube audience can
still hear us, our podcast audience can hear us, but
our radio stations cannot. So now we just get to
tinker around with our words.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Here.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
The great start, by the way, great start.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I really enjoyed, enjoy talking about these topics. Have been
talking about this for years.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
So it's it's just, you know, cool experience for me.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
All right, excuse me, Yeah, this is great. I'm loving

(25:56):
what you're saying. My man. This is a I think
you you're a very smart individual.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Thank you, Thank you. Years of practice. However, Chris, I
find it sounds right.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, from like sixteen or something. So it's been
like what seven years or six years something like that.
So plenty of podcasts, plenty of speeches, let's say, plenty
of these topics.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
All right, somebody else come in here? Mm, well, Cam,
how you doing, buddy, Nice to see you. We've got
about three minutes here, my friend, you caught me muted.

(27:08):
I forgot to turn my microphone back on because I
muted myself to blow my nose. Last thing the audience
wants to hear is me sounding like a trumpet on
the air.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, oh, I see that. We are on YouTube that
people can hear us. So I'm from Poland. There are
some questions. And if you want my book is Desia
who has serf and already been And you can find
it on Amazon's like US, UK, Canada, Australia and plenty
of more. And there are plenty of stuff. There are
plenty of illustrations, images, sources, quotes and.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Stuff like that. And for the record, for the record,
I pronounced Alexander's last name properly the first time. Yeah,
I did not, butcher it I got it right. I
think you were a little bit shocked by that.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, yeah, very good, very.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Good whistling Mike. How you doing, buddy?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
I always tell people when they ask where they can
find me, like on podcasts on social media they mean,
so I always tell copy and paste my name and surname,
and that's the easiest way to find me.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Tim oth Ben and your go t. Why did you
spill oatmeal all over your keyboard, Jennifer Bevernche, I'm glad
this is what you needed tonight. My dear, how long
did I practice the name? Well? I will tell you
there are another number of sports athletes once you got
the first part. So see z is always the chi sound,

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and then the sz is always like a type sound.
And then the kiw ciw or yes cisw is pronounced kavich.
So I know that from when I worked in sports radio.
There are a couple athletes that had the kavich in

(29:24):
their last name. So that's how I was able to
get it, no problem.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
There are worse sur names in Eastern Europe, like in
Serabia Vos Ramanna that if an I can't pronounce properly.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Oh, I get that, my friend, I get that. We
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so I'll take that as a compliment. Here we go

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with the second half hour of space Down Radio tonight.
My name is Dave Scott. We have Alexander Chishkevich here
tonight talking about lost cities, lost history, and universal mysteries.
We're gonna bring him back momentarily. But first I want
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(31:24):
is here. We're talking about history. Where are Atlantis? Where
are the pyramids being built from? Or who made the pyramids?
I should say, let's use it proper English out here, Alexander,
Thank you for being here, Thank you, thank you the
history and knowledge that goes into where do you think
Atlantis is?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I think and it's even based on the original, most
famous and primal texts. When it comes to Atlantis, the
Plato's Dialstemisin Critias. Plato isn't describing just the city single
look as plenty of people suggest, but he's telling us
that it was a maritime civilization, global empire that had

(32:08):
its influence from the Atlantic Ocean over most of the
Mediterranean Sea Italy.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
That Egypt was its colonies.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
So I don't think it's Atlantis was a single city,
single location bad. That it was an empire that used
to water and traveled into plenty of places like Egypt,
like in time, Mediterranean, maybe Americas, and maybe all over
the world.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Even where do you think it was? Though? Because we
had a guest on I think about a week ago
who believed that it was somewhere buried under the Sahara desert.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
M Yeah, I think that Sahara Desert is a good
option for that. Because Plato is telling us that it
was beyond or in front the Pillars of Hercules, which
we know very well that it was the Straits of
Gibraltar or so, these straits connecting the Mediterranean with the
Atlantic Ocean. And plenty of people say, oh, it was

(33:06):
not this, but it was like a small island in
the Mediterranean.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
But they are not reading Plato correctly.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Because Plato is telling us that it was beyond the Mediterranean.
He distinguishes Mediterranean from the Atlantic Ocean, and he says
that it was beyond these pillars are in front of them,
and there was this huge body of water Oceanos in
Greek Ocean. And then after this body of water, there

(33:33):
was a huge continent surrounding it. And if we are
looking at sailing from the Straits of Gibraltar outside into
the Atlantic Ocean, we see that Americas, both Americas, with
of course the central one, are like a huge continent
that surrounds the Atlantic Ocean. From this perspective, so we
know very well that Plato meant the Atlantic Ocean, not

(33:57):
like a small island somewhere on the Mediterraneans. And why Sahara,
because there are a few arguments for that. Plenty of
people say that these parts were much more abundant. Of course,
we know that very well, even scientifically in water, that
Sahara was lash at some point, that there were plenty
of rivers. So maybe they connected the Atlantic Ocean. You know,

(34:18):
they went from the Atlantic Ocean by the river into
let's say, the city of Atlantis, and plenty of people
are for instance, showing the Urushiat structure. Unfortunately, yet we
haven't found any kind of cool evidence and very strong
evidence that the Russia structure was man made creation that
could lead us to saying that it was Atlantis. But

(34:39):
I think that Sahara is a very good option. And
when we see this maritime empire, even in the Platonic texts,
we see that, okay, if it had influences over the Mediterranean,
not only the northern part like Italy, but also the
southern part, maybe it also was in the place of Sahara.
We see Atlas Mountains in Morocco, we see that they

(35:02):
are there, So I think Sahara is a good option.
But I think again, if we are even talking about
this famous lost city of Atlantis that Plato is describing
us when it comes not to the empire but to
the city of let's say in the middle there was
the hill with the temple Posidon, and there were this
famous concentric rings that are very similar to the Aye

(35:24):
of Sahara.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I think it may be Jesse single city.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
That's why I think that both locations like the Eye
of Sahara, or let's say some strange structures fined by
radars nearby azars Azar Island on the Atlantic Ocean, or
even a few other locations, like right now there is
researcher Michael Donald showing that there are some structures off

(35:51):
the coast of Spain, which is also the place like
outside of this or in front of the streets of Gibilartar.
I think that there could have been plenty of Atlantean cities,
maybe even similar ones. Right now we also create similar cities.
There are plenty of different attempts to be built Rome,
for instance. So I think that I think these locations

(36:12):
like I have Saharawan, the other would be Azors the
even another one would be the cadets pain somewhere, there
may be some colonies or some smaller cities, at least
they look smaller off the shore of Cuba, Central America.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Things like that. These are my points when it comes
to the.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Location, What do you think happened to it? Because there
there was allegedly a million plus people there and yet
they all seem to have vanished like they never existed.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
M H.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
I think it's very again coincidental when it comes to
the mainstream history. But even if we let's say, are
let's start very conservatively from what we know in the
mainstream science, how everything works. Plato's date for existence or
sinking of Atlantis nine thousand years before the law giver Solon,

(37:07):
because Solon went to Egypt and there found the Atlantis
store and they said, oh, nine thousand years before our interaction,
there was Atlantis. So about nine thousand, six hundred BC
is coincidentally the same time that there was the ending
of the last ice Age. So logically ice age was ending,
glaciers were melting, so there were huge melt waters all

(37:28):
over the globe that could have led to the sinking
of Atlantis. And geologically speaking, it's considered the fact that
from the times of approximately Plato's sinking of Atlantis up
until the ancient times or nowadays, there was a sea
level rise of about one hundred and twenty meters, so
four hundred feet, which is like a skyscraper. This was

(37:51):
the sea level changed from the end of the last
Ice Age because most of the northern Hemisphere, part of
the South was covered for tens of thousands of years
before that with ice sheets, and these ice sheets started
melting because it was the ending of the last ice
Age climate change, and because of that, you know, there
was such a huge sea water sea level change. And

(38:14):
also when it comes to how much area sunk all
over the world, is estimated that from the end of
the last Ice Age up until nowadays there was about
I think twenty five million or thirty million square kilometers,
which is approximately like the entire North North America including Mexico, Canada, US,

(38:35):
not just USA, entire North America all over the world
of course, so it was spread in plenty of islands,
seashores and stuff like that. But there were such huge changes,
and it is basic academic facts. So I think that
it's not coincidence that Plato choose such a date and
even again, if we want to be conservative, let's say

(38:56):
that we do not agree that there was cataclysm at
the end of the last Ice Age that led to
the singing of Atlantis. I think that even if we
are a conservative, if we see huge possibilities for such
a story as sinking of Atlantis to appear at the
end of the last Ice Age because glaciers were melting
and all over the world huge areas of land were sinking.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
What are some of the greatest clues out there about
Atlantis existing.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
I think that what we've just talked about is the
first one. That there is huge possibility for actually plenty
of lost lands and lost cities to exist at the
end of the last Ice Age, so before the end
of the last Ice Age, and being completely destroyed at
the end of the last Ice Age when there was
this sea level change. But when it comes to the

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evidence for Atlantis, I think the basic one is again
how Plato is describing it. Because Plato isn't telling us, oh,
this is disturb of Atlantic or something. He is putting
this entire story of loss civilization into a completely different story.
That is, when we are reading it historically based on

(40:10):
historical facts.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Because we hear that it.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Was Solon, a very great Greek law giver about five
hundred something six hundred.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
BC, that went to Egypt.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
And we had other resources that are telling us that
Solon truly went to Egypt, like I think Blue Turk,
Herodotus and others telling us that he went there. And
Plato is telling us that they're at.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
A city of size.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
He found the story of Atlantis, and he was told
about it by the Egyptian priests. And what is interesting
is he says tons of facts there.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
For instance that when.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
Solon met the Egyptian priests, they said, oh, the famous quote,
You Greeks are like children, you have no history, and
what is your history? Your recorded history is nothing in
comparison to ancient Egyptian one, because you just have a
few hundred years of history before you, and we Egyptians
have records of thousands and even tens of thousands of

(41:06):
years before that. And when we compare it to it's
called historiography. So what modern historiography what we think, let's
say academically speaking about history and ancient historiography. So the
Greek one and the Egyptian one, and we see that yes,
Egyptian records, are plenty of sources their Egyptian kings. There's
plenty of them telling us that were like tens of

(41:28):
thousands of years.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Of Egyptian history.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
And also the Greek one that Plato stated the fact
that actually the Greeks believed in only like let's say,
a few hundred maybe thousand years of their history, So
he's stating as facts. Even if you compare it to
other Platonic dialogues, maybe Plato is using facts as his
let's say, idealization of different ideas because he was a philosopher,

(41:53):
but he is even in other dialogues using facts, so
I believe that he also used facts.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
When it comes to the Atlantis story.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
So I think this is the biggest validation of the
Atlantean story that Egyptian sources are telling us, maybe not
exactly about the distraction of Atlantis in the same way,
but they are telling us that there was these traditions
going tens of.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Thousands of years ago.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
So this is the validity one the biggest, you know,
claim smoking gun. But when it comes to the evidence,
I think the best actually evidence comes from the other
side of the world, from the Mesoamerica because in the
Aztec mind, there was this lost cradle of humanity called
Astlan Atslan or at Tithlan, at Tithland Atlantis, I.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Think, almost the same word.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
And what is interesting is that Plato in the let's
say Western world, was not the first one to use
the word atlantis, because before him, if I think even
more than one hundred years before him, Hellenicus of Lesbus
used the same word, but we do not know exactly
in what context because only like a few words of
his poems revived, so we did not know what he

(43:01):
was talking there about. But maybe also Atlantis before Plato.
But when it comes to the best evidence from this
Mesamerican one, it's not only let's say this idea that
lost civilization and similar name, but these are already like
two arguments. But also the look of this land and
this land of asland was later modeled as the Aztec

(43:24):
capital even in the Concuistador's time, the Tenachetitlan, and when
we come for Tenagetitland to Atlantis, it looks exactly like
Atlantis to a large extent. Maybe doesn't have this famous
concentric range, but Tenchitlan was an Aztec city, huge capital
of about I think up to one hundred thousand people
could live there, or at least a few tens of.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Thousands of people. But when it comes to Tenachtitlan.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
It was said it was modeled after Adsland, so modeled
after Atlantis, probably, but we see that it was on
Lake Texaco, so on water. It was partially and a
natural island in the middle, with plenty of artificial islands
connected by bridges, which is similar to Plato's famous rings

(44:09):
of water and rings of lands surrounding Atlantis. But here
we do not have rings, but just islands. But it
is a model of Atlantis, not like an exact copy.
But what is the most important is and it can
be found echoed in plenty of myths and legends all
over the world that in Atlantis story there is that
in the middle there was a hill, and on this

(44:30):
hill there was the temple of Poseidon being built. And
in the case of the Notchtitlan, we have this famous
mes American pyramids. It was Temple Majorda. And we know
very well how mes American permits look like. They do
not look like the Egyptian ones that they have like
straight angles and just a pyramid, but they are like

(44:50):
this artificial mound, maybe even it's not even looking very
often like a pyramid, but artificial mound. And on the
top of this mount there is this or a temple
or something. And I think that this is actually when
in this context of ten Stan Atlantis, this is a
model of Atlantis that they recreated that by using this permit,

(45:13):
because maybe there was no natural hill there, so they
built this permit.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And we know this mes American pramit it.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Is like an artificial hill, and on the top it's
this temple, so the same in Teno Stitland Temple mayorso
the Grand Temple. And we see very well that in
my opinion, it's a model, an attempt of recreating the Atlantis.
So not only the name at Atland similar to Atlantis,
but even the description and the model of it is

(45:41):
almost the same as in the plato On the other
side of the globe.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
In Mesoamerica, many people have this romanticism that Atlantis is
or was a highly technological city, much maybe even more
advanced than we are today. How much do you put into.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
That, Again, you said about romanticizing it, but actually from
most of the sources we know about Atlantis, even some
psyche ons like Channel ayings or Edgar Casey stories, we
see that Atlantis was actually a very negative civilization. It
wasn't all reds and roses, and actually it was their fault,

(46:22):
just as in the biblical version of the Garden of
Feeding in Fall of Humanity, it was their fault that
led to the natural disaster that led to their distraction,
led to the sinking of Atlantis, because Plato is telling
us that they started at some point, that they were
again at some point, this mighty civilization, but at some
point they became greedy. He said also that they became

(46:45):
like animals, and that led to their final fall and distraction.
And actually this destruction of Atlantis was like a heavenly
kind of disaster scent because they were so bad. And
Plato is even telling us when it comes to the
original sources that they started fighting with for instance Athenians

(47:05):
and other kinds of nations all over the world. They
wanted to conquer all the lands. So this was one
of the negative parts. But the other on was that
they were becoming like like pigs, like like animals, so
that led to their fall. And for instance, in the
channel readings like the Casey ones, and others. It is
also the same theme that they started to be very

(47:29):
very negative. In these channel readings, there are mentions of
actual advanced technology, because in Plato, it's only that they
were able to travel these seas, the oceans with their boats,
and they were able to conquer plenty of lands that
Egypt was even their colonies, so connection that maybe the
Atlanteans build the pyramids, But Plato is not telling us

(47:51):
about like very very advanced technology. He's telling us about
riclisum so a special metal that they were creating. But
when it comes to this psyche channel sources, there are
plenty of them Frederick.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Oliver, Edgar Casey.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
They are telling us the same story that they were
also advanced technologically and they were using technology for bad
causes and because of that it led to disharmony of
the entire planet and that's why they didn't survive. So
when it comes to let's say historical sources, we do
not have like direct mentions that they were so advanced.

(48:26):
Even other advanced technologies like the vimanas and other kind
of things are in other texts and they are not directly.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Connected to the Atlantis as stories.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
So in original text we do not have this idea
of advanced technology, but in psychic readings and other kind
of non historical sources we do have such mentions.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
We have about five and a half minutes before we
have to go to break at the bottom of the hour.
Alexander Schaskevitch is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio.
One of the other big mysteries it gets talked about
a lot is go Beckley Tepe. How much have you
looked into this?

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Yeah, Goba Cletepe is directly connected to the Atlantis and
what we just talked before about taking the roots of
civilization history back time and time again by thousands or
even in some cases tens of thousands of years.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Gobal Cletepe was the biggest.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
Game changer for all ancient Aliens Atlanta's alternative history because
in the seventies in the eighties, and I've been researching
the history of history but also history of theories of
different ones that in the seventies and eighties, the biggest
argument against such theories was, for instance, people were claiming, oh,

(49:42):
the sphinx is much older, thousands of years older. All
the pyramits are from the Atlantean times. Oh, Atlantis was real,
and the biggest argument against it from the mainstream historians
or archeologists was that we didn't have any evidence that
people ten thousand BC, nine thousand and BC so during
these times were capable of creating megalithic things at least

(50:05):
not to mention other crazy technologies. But then in I
think nineteen nineteen four so late so middle nineties, we
found what you've said, the Gobal cultape, that completely shift
or understanding not only of this but also of the
early humanity origins. Because right now you see ninety six

(50:25):
hundred and older BC, and you see these huge megalthic buildings.
So now the argument that we do not have any
other evidence that people at these remote in these remote
eras could have built that this argument is completely destroyed.
And we found not only Gobet cletape, but in later
years Karahan tape and plenty of other tapes that are

(50:48):
taking the words of civilization back.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
And I think even after the break or maybe now we.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Can talk about that there are even archaeologists as seriologists,
mainstream conservative historians are telling that even the new discoveries
from December last year, that even the writing system may
have appeared not in ancient summer three thousand BC, but
at Gobe Cutepe in nine thousand BCS, so six thousand

(51:14):
years before it was originally considered to be so Goba
Cutepe is very, very important. It's one of these smoking
guns both when it comes to, let's say, conservatively speaking,
taking the roots of civilization back, but also for all
the theories ancient Aliens Atlantis lost civilizations. It changed a

(51:35):
lot when it comes to our understanding.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Do you think then that there are like you mentioned
that there is some sort of tie between a go
Beckley Tepe and Atlantis. Are there are there signs or
signals or writings or teachings that have melded the two together.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
The biggest connection is the dating, because it's almost the
same as Plato is telling us about nine thousand, six
hundred BC, twelve thousand years ago. So this is the
biggest key.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
The other big key is that at the time there
was this now thy revolution, so the first time, allegedly
according to science, that humanity switched from a nobody nomadic
caveman lifestyle into set in Taiwan. It's even said that
Gobecutape was transitionary period that even Gobecutape was built by
this cavement, not by farmers yet. But these are the

(52:34):
biggest things. Maybe not like textual or something like that.
Under one would be that Gobecutape was intentionally probably buried
in the ground, so maybe another kind of connection with
catastrophe that led to the sinking of Atlantis. There are
plenty of different threats to that, but the biggest one
is the dating almost the same as Atlantis, the transition

(52:55):
from people from cavemen into farmers. And I think this
is the biggest connection.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Very cool, very cool. I think it's I think it's
pretty fantastic that we have we have that connection. Going
what other societies from back then would have been melded together?
If we're looking more west, would it have been the Mayans,
would it have been the Egyptians? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (53:22):
No, No, this is like this period.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
It's very like ten thousand, nine thousand busts mostly in
when it comes to this Nootic revolution, it mostly appeared
in this area of Fertile Crescent, so mostly Middle eastern
parts of Egypt. But in the west there were different
cultures and it weren't yet the Mayans or any kind
of other civilizations we are talking six thousand years before

(53:45):
the Submrians, so there are plenty of what we consider
archaeological cultures because they had culture, but not civilization yet.
So they were but at that times it was the
first place, according to science, that people switched from k
men to farmers. So all over the world in other places,
people were mostly living as cavemen, as hunter gatherers, not

(54:07):
yet creating any kind of society.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
This is the original narrative, right story.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Very interesting. I'm going to get you to hold on
right there because we are going to go to break
here at the top of the hour. Man, I can't
believe we've flown through one hour with Alexander Shiskovich so far.
You are incredible, young man, absolutely incredible. And we're going
to take some audience questions. We're going to get to

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Gavis Global dot Alex, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
My friend, thanks for having me on to having really
fun today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Do you also look into biblical mysteries? Yes, a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
Of course, we mentioned already the nepheline, stuff like that.
I actually started, I've said, studying at medical university, and
because I have this specialization personal schedule about ancient Middle
East and ancient religions and stuff like that, I will
be having like specialization in the Bible next year, so

(01:03:34):
I'm very looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Where do you think Noah's Arc is located?

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
It's a very interesting question. But is it still located?

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
This is the question that are there any kinds of remnants?
Because there are plenty of people on the internet, both
on the entire world but also here in Poland. We
had a few people who are claiming to have visited
the Noah's Arc nearby the famous Mount Arat mentioned in
the Bible. But actually when they and they've even they

(01:04:07):
took some photos of that, and it looked like some
kind of old wood, some kind of innersections of the arc.

Speaker 9 (01:04:14):
Bad.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
It's a little bit fishy for me because they're showing
us the interior, which but while on the interior, why
not show us from the outside picture of the true arc.
So there are plenty of controversies about these these kind
of discoveries of the arc of Noah, some of them
having debanked over the years. And I think that we

(01:04:38):
haven't yet found the ultimate Noah's ark when comes to
physical remnants, if they even survived all of the simulinia.
But when it comes to the location, it's not only
the Bible. The Bible is actually a copy, and we
see the linguistically that it is a copy from older
Mesopotamian sources Maria and Akada. But in most of these sources,

(01:05:02):
just as in the Bible, it's mostly the mountains near
the Arat, near the Zagros mountains, so such locations mountainous
areas of the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So you don't believe it is on mount error at then.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
I don't believe we have final evidence that it is there,
and most of the people who are claiming to have
seen it haven't provided that with the ultimate evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
But I do not deny it. I just say that
it's inconclusive. As for the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
What other mysteries of this beautiful universe really captivate you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
All of the entire universe, cosmos, cosmology, spirituality, even metaphysics,
meta from Greek beyond so beyond physics, because again it
was what we've been talking about science. I always loved
like history of science, philosophy of science, and it's about
philosophy of science that right now we think, okay, physics

(01:06:02):
is describing the loss of the universe. It's such a
bad physics and science altogether. So biologic chemistry history included,
is only about the material world, the physical world, natural
world that it is often called. And I think that
there may be things that are unnatural, supernatural as this

(01:06:25):
is often called. So I'm into all of this, mistress,
even world is beyond spirituality and stuff like that. So
I don't know what thread do you want me to take.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Well anything. Do you think aliens built the pyramids in Egypt?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Huh?

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
My personal opinion on aliens, especially Asian aliens, based on
actually a few good evidence, is that these aliens were
not physical aliens grays or something like that, but that
these aliens were non physical in nature, just like dementias
of angels and demons spirit beings. Maybe they communicated in

(01:07:07):
a non physical way with humans. And we see that
with plenty of stories all over the world that these
famous gods, famous annaki are not to not to a
large extent, physical beings, like huge beings with authority, but
very often they are like spirits. And for instance, in
the epic of Atrajses, there is this great Anonaky god

(01:07:29):
Anki who wants to warn Etrojsies of the famous flood
that was later to be copied as the Noah's Flood version.
But he cannot show up to Atrajsis in the flesh.
He's not coming to a Trojeses with his authority as
the great Ananaky god and saying oh atrarasis built and arc. No,
he is coming to Atrojses in his dream, and he

(01:07:53):
is such a law authority that he needs to constantly
repeat a mantra in his dream. So it's not like, oh,
so a single visit in a dream and you know
everything is right. No, he's visiting acises in a few dreams,
few nights of dreaming. But also in a single dream

(01:08:13):
he's repeating a mantra, build an arc, destroy your house
built an arc. So he's repeating that, which shows a
very law authority in that. But when it comes to
non physical aliens, there are plenty of other evidence, like
for instance, famous ayahuasca DMT staff in the Amazon Rainforest
that in plenty all over the world we hear such

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Shamani stories that some kind of spirits of nature taught
humanity basics, that they were the teachers of mankind. And
for instance, in the case of ayahuasca, which is of
course this haucinnganic soup or drink, and when you drink
it you have different visions, different spiritual mystical experiences. But

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it is mentioned that these spiritual beings taught humans how
to get the sayahuasca and then because of the siyawuaska
they can even more connect with the spirits and the
spiritual realm. But you see in shaman next stories all
over the world that there were some kind of teachers
of mankind and that they were non physical. When it
comes to maybe not exactly non physical mentions of these

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teachers all over the ancient world, famous civilizations like Egypt,
Summer India, we had towns. We have tons of mentions
of similar teachers of mankind teaching even the basics of
being a human being. Because it's mentioned that these teachers
are are meeting humans that are cannibals and are so

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primitive that they're like again like animals, just as in
the case of Atlanteans, which was their fault. So my
opinion is that they were non physical, non physical entities,
and when it comes to the pyramids, maybe they assed
in this way humans. But I don't think that physical
aliens came to Earth and and build the pyramids.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
So do you think that there was some sort of
special science that built the pyramids that we just don't
know about.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Yeah, most probably, because when we take a look at
how many blocks are in the pyramid, there are different estimation.
The most often quoted is two million, three hundred thousand blocks,
but let's say conservative ones are one million something blocks.
But when you divide that, let's say approximately twenty years
that allegedly the permits were built during.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
A single permit was built during this period.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
When you calculate that, you either have two and a
half minutes between cutting block, transporting it miles and putting
in a particular person de grete permit, so each block,
so one block each two and a half minutes, or
maybe in these conservative estimate about nine minutes, which is impossible.

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And I think right now, even when I'm studying history,
it is a consensus that we do not know how
the permits were built. At least we do not know
yet how they were built. So I think that for
sure there was something going on that may be considered
such secret science.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I often bring up in the building of the Pyramids.
If you look at the mystery of the coral castle
in Florida where Lead Skalden he built this, and he
had tarps and bedsheets covering up how he was moving one, two, three,
four ten ton pieces of coral from one location to

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another as a single person in that field. He wasn't
a big man either, I mean, and yet we still
haven't figured out the science behind that. So there has
to be some sort of mystery science that we haven't
figured out yet.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Yes, exactly, I totally agree as I said, there are
there's so much potential when it comes both our history,
both our science, both our universe.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Actually, I'm very.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Often not in this position, Oh you need to believe
in Atlantis and lost civilizations.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
No, I want to show.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
The possibilities, that the possibilities are huge, that there is
a huge potential of the unknown to be discovered in
all areas of our lives.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
I love it, I absolutely love it. Let's get to
an audience question here because there are starting to build up.
Let's go, jose is asking do you and your family
believe in UFOs.

Speaker 5 (01:12:34):
I won't consider it believing, but I think we are
open to UFOs that yeah, maybe they are real, but
not like huge strong believers in them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
What would you do if you saw one?

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
I haven't yet, but if I saw one, I would
consider it that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
I'm considering that you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
As I said, I'm open that UFOs are real, but
I haven't experienced them. My opinions also that these may
be again from one perspective, may be physical craft made
here on as but very very advanced, like the stealth
bombers or something, but even more advanced than that. But
on the other hand, I think that these experiences of

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the UFO may also be of spiritual nature, of non
physical nature, even if they appear physical, that you can
even touch them, and we have plenty of examples from
let's say, spiritual traditions that such things can be even
more real than the material world of the five senses
that we have in our bodies, and even sometimes probably

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plenty of us experienced that, at least I experienced that
that sometimes there are particular dreams in which your senses
are more heightened that than in reality. So it is
even more like I don't know touch or seeing something.
And there are spiritual traditions over the word saying similar
things or out of body experiences near death experiences, saying

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that when you have out of body experience or when
you die, you actually have even more heightened all of
these senses. So I think there may be again, just
as in the case of the teachers of mankind, the
nation alience a non physical spiritual component to the UFIS.
I'm very open, but I'm not like a firm believer
that yes, this is a particular this. I'm just open

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for possibility that this may be, that, this may be that,
And I don't know. The more I learned, the more
the more I see how little.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
I or any kind of humans know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Another question from our audience, let's go to jewels here.
Do you have any interest in the prehistoric earthworks of
North America?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Haven't researched them very extensively personally, but I think they
are of interest when it comes to all my work,
but just haven't yet gone into these. This may not
be also such like big smoking guns as the famous pyramids.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Or go back to tape.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
These are like much more bigger in importance as of
today because maybe we'll find something more when it comes
to the earthworks of North America. But is they are
of interest, but I haven't researched them much.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Next question, do you think Homo sapiens had civilizations one
hundred and thirty thousand years ago or even two hundred
and thirty thousand years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
That's a great question because, as I've said, we think
that even conservatively that we diverge as Homo sapiens for
how minutes about half a million years ago or three
hundred thousand years ago. So I think that civilization one
hundred and thirty thousand or two hundred and thirty or
in any kind of other because these are huge spans
of times. Our civilization, including from ancient sumer is about

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five thousand years ago, and here we're talking about hundreds
of thousands of years. I think it's very, very possible
that there were civilizations during these time spans. We do
not have evidence almost we have about non evidence from
unfortunately this time spans when it comes to civilization.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Or advanced culture.

Speaker 5 (01:16:09):
But personally, I think that it's completely possible that there
have been civilizations in these times.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
It's got a caps here. Do you believe the military
killed a redheaded giant in Afghanistan.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
I've heard this story, but also other similar stories. I
don't know, haven't been there, but I think it's still
possible because, for instance, during the medieval times, when the
Mongols were conquering all the world from Asia to Europe,
they encountered something similar maybe not to giants specifically, but
something similar to other how minutes I would say, like

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nan turtles or something like five hundred years ago. So
I think that it's very possible that some kind of
giant was still alive during the times that they allegedly
killed it in Afghanistan. But I do not know if
this story is real or not. It sounds to some accent.
We all maybe there are some flaws in it, but
haven't been there Heaven in the killing of this giant,

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so I'm very open to that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I'm still I'm open to the story. I'm still not
sure if I believe that one. And the reason why
is I got a buddy of mine who did four
tours in Afghanistan in Iraq as an army ranger in
the us, and I asked him about this story if
he had ever heard about it, like just through the ranks,
because it was allegedly army rangers that shot and found

(01:17:35):
this and shot and killed it. And he had never
heard the story, and it would have been during that
time when he was there, so it was it was interesting.
But I mean, if you know, it could be one
of those stories where he wasn't on the mission so
it was kept secret. So there is that too. Let's
move on here, Let's go to Jenny. I love this

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question from Jenny. Do any of the lost worlds have giants?

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Over the world we find mentions of gants, not only
like even in the recent ones. I've mentioned these one goals.
Maybe these were not giants but some kind of home minutes.
But you know, Vespucci and other allegedly met gants in
the New World, you know, five hundred less than five
hundred years ago. There are plenty of stories in the
ancient times. We have the famous nepheline of the Bible.

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We have giants in the Middle East, mentions there in Egypt.
We see that some people are shown at least depicted,
maybe not in tradition like speaking about tags, but they
are depicted as much bigger than others. So the gants
are found these stories all over the world. But when
it comes to maybe Atlantean giants, we do not have

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like direct evidence that would connect giants to atlantis. Maybe
Edgar Casey and Psychic Staff would connect that they mentioned
about hybrids and things like that, so maybe they were
also giants. But you know, I can say about talk
because second question about giants, I can talk about my

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own theory that connects it all about giants, because right
now we are let's say, the only advanced human species,
only Homo sapiens sapiens.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
There are no other hominids.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
But it's the only time in the history of our
species that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
We are alone.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
And we know o verwell that we coexisted with nandertals
twenty thirty thousand years ago, but actually we coexisted at
some point between about eighty thousand BC and one hundred
thousand something BC. We coexisted as anatomically modern humans. So
modern our species coexisted with at least five other hominid species,

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and we find them everyday new ones. So at least
five other hominid species, including the famous nandertals but also homodeneizovans,
also homoflorescences, which was one meter tall hobbit so a small,
little but a small person. So if let's say less
than one hundred thousand years ago, we coexisted with one

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meter tall beings, I think it's very possible that at
some point during our past we also coexisted with giants
three meters tall or a little bit more than that.
It's very, very possible. So this is my theory that
these giants may be just as nandurtles were a little
bit different to humans.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
Bad, We're still connected.

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
So I think there is a huge, even conservatively scientifically speaking,
huge possibility for giants if we are right now discovering
more and more hominid species. I think the homoflores census
was found fifteen to twenty years ago only, so imagine
maybe in fifty years we will find Homo gigantis, and
we will find finally these giants and they will be revealed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
To the public.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Because of course there were conspiracies about giants, evidence for
giants being hidden by Smithsonian or others.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Bad.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
I think it's really poss that there were other hominids
like giants, So I would connect that in the times
of lost civilizations like Atlantis and others, so at least
twelve thousand years ago, and before that there may have
been other hominid species still living on Earth with us
as human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Why do you think we haven't found more skeletal remains
of these giants.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Because it's a great question.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
But even when it comes to other hominids that we know,
like Astrolopeticus, Homodenizovans, and others, what we find is like
in some cases one or two skeletons, because everything is decomposing,
everything is degrading. I think from one home minute, the
only skeleton that was in forty or sixty percent forty

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to sixty percent survived of it was because this person
died at a very young age and he went into
some kind of mud and he died in this mouth,
probably broke his leg or something. He couldn't get out
of this mud, and of course this mud preserved it
much more than if.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
He died normally.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
So we do not have plenty of skeletons of any
kind of species of home in its like in thousands
or something, maybe nand ittles. We have more and Homo
sapiens of course, but it's just we do not have evidence.
This is the biggest smoking about our past lost civilizations,
giants and any kind of lost worlds or lost realms,

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is that what we know is just less than one
percent of everything, or maybe even zero or zero one percent.
So I think that maybe we found them, and maybe
there was this Smithsonian or any kind of other cover up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
So one theory.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Another theory is that we haven't found them yet because
we find plenty of new species in the recent years.
We find them almost as I said, I think this
year in January we find another one in China home
inny It species. So I think it's only a matter
of time that we'll find them, and we haven't because
we haven't dugged the entire planet. Things are decomposing really fast,

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and only in special conditions like airtight layers, like in
oil or in mad things are being preserved for much
longer periods of times, and in casual conditions, lots of
things are being destroyed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
All right, I think we got time for one more
question here, and we will go to t Bone, who
is asking what is your opinion of the underground of
the Pyramids of Giza.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
I do not one hundred I'm not one hundred percent
confident and what was being shown as I think it
was last year with all of these miles deep underground thing.
I'm open but also skeptical. But I think it's common
knowledge that there are huge things underground in Giza. We have,
for instance, a famous Osiris shaft that is a shaft

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on the Giza plateau, so not undirectly under the permit,
but nearby the Pyramit that goes straight and rocked straight down.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
For tens of meters.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Then there is a first level, and then this level
we have a few coffins, the huge megalathic coffins, and
then we have another huge shaft down coming back like
tens of meters below ground. And we have a few
such underground things on the Giza plateau. So I think
it's very very possible that there are huge also bigger

(01:24:33):
things like this famous stars kind of research showing us
the smile long stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
But I also think because it was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Also AI interpreted, so data was interpreted by the AI.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
So a little bit skeptical.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Hold that spot. We're gonna go to break here. Okay,
we have Alex Shkavich for another half hour on spaced
Out Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
You're listening space Out with you with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
All right, we are clear and we are open micd
here alright.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
I has so many things to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Lots to talk about. Mm hmm. You're doing great, by
the way, absolutely great, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
Really enjoying and sometimes I'm going maybe too fast maybe,
but you know, I'm going with the flow.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
What oh man, you're doing fantastic, you were doing fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
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That makes me happy here, and I can't believe how

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fast this show is going. It's great, all right, I'm

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all excited. During the break. I've booked my latest beard
trim for Wednesday. That's gonna be good. Gonna make sure
I'm looking pretty for San Francisco next week in UFO
con Blue Cruise. How you doing. We've got about a

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minute here, Alex. Okay, okay, you're gonna go to bed
after this or what?

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
I probably know?

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
The sun is shining so much, I'll go with my
dog or something. Actually, such conversations always energize so beautiful.

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We're into the second half of Spaced Out Radio tonight.
My name is Dave Scott. We got a great guest
with us, Alexander Shashkevich. We are talking about ancient mysteries,
lost cities, lost temples, and more. We are into audience
questions right now. You're ready for more there, alex of course,

(01:30:59):
wait mine, good, let's go to jewels here. Do you
have any more theories why North America has earthworks that
seem more primitive than the continents that the pyramids and
megalithic complexes.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
I would say that large parts of North America were
under ice sheets for tens of thousands of years, and
it may be because of that the same here in
Europe we have maybe pre pre ice age, like from
forty thousands years ago or something, some kind of megalist evidence.
But here in Poland we also do not have like
a veryver old prohistoric huge things and stuff like that.

(01:31:39):
And entire Northern Europe, entire North America was covered for
many tens of thousands of years by ice sheets. So
I think that's why during let's say the famous Atlantean times,
during which actually we see goblakly Tepe and other megaliths
were built during this time period. I think that's why

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in most cases we did not have much from North
America the same. It's actually the biggest questions from the
scriptic that, oh, we alternative.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Researchers are searching the.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Worst possible places like Sahara, which is very hard, like
Atlantic Ocean, or like the Amazon.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Why are we not searching in.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Casual places Because casual places were under aage miles of
ice sheets, so nothing was going on let's say twelve
or fifteen thousand years ago there. So we have the
same thing here in Poland and in northern Europe that
we do not have much from this period. Nothing crazy,
nothing advanced, even no people because there were ice sheets.
I don't know exactly you know where the ice sheets

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were in North America, because we should check it out
to check if these mounds are you know, outside.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Of this influence or inside.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
But I think mostly that's the reason why North America,
in the northernmost parts especially was not very good for
people to live.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Let's move on, let's go to t Bone here. Alec,
what is your opinion, Oh, we already asked that one
I apologize. Let's go to carry. Do you know anything
about these caves that are supposedly in the Grand Canyon,
that ancient Egyptian relics have been found in them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
The only things I know are, of course, the legends
and stories that they were founder that right now you
cannot go there. For many years you are for many
years now you are not. You haven't been able to
go there. But I do not know more than just
these legends. There is no more info if you want
to find some sources or something like that, there is

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no more info than than these stories and legends you
find online or in older newspapers. So I probably do
not know much dam casual people in these matters. But yes,
there was this story that Egyptian stuff, including herooglyphs and
clothing mom means, were found in the Great Canyon. Then
after that they closed it. They removed of course everything,

(01:34:06):
and they have been even later stories of people illegally
going there and finding that there are some kind of
cave systems with maybe not these artifacts that were completely
got from these places, but with some kinds of hieroglyphics.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
But do not know much outside of that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Makes sense? All right, let's go to another one. This
one comes from Candice. Do you have any ideas as
to why so many of us connect with our past
lives during their building of the pyramids.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
I think that it may not be only the past life,
let's say, of me or you during the building of
the pyramids. I think it may be some kind of
also collective memory of people building the pyramids, and either
it was so traumatic building these pyramids, or maybe so
heightened elevated emotion states of consciousness that we are remembering that.

(01:35:02):
I am, of course into these topics that we had
some past lives here and there, But I think that
lots of memories may not be our own memories, but.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
Just collective ones.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Even with these stories of hypnotic regression to our past
lives or before we were born here there is these
stories that we're often souls are actually replaying some other lifetimes,
not directly of them, but of other people to learn.
So let's say, oh, I want to right now play
this level and see how it was in ancient Egypt

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or in any other kind of other places or during
the building of the premits. Let's not reincarnate there, but
let's let's be in this avatar and let's feel everything
this person was feeling during this lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
So I when.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
It comes to why so many people may be also
so many people were building that, so so many souls
have this memory. But I also think it may be
a collective memory, not directly from our own past life.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
So you are a believer in reincarnation and the idea
that you know we have lived multiple lives throughout history.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
I'm in believer that there is something beyond our current lifetime,
but I do not I'm not one hundred person sure
if it is called reincarnation or something, because, as I said,
what if these are just some kind of collective memories
of others. So I'm open, but I'm also trying to
be skeptical.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
T Bone is asking what do you think is under Antarctica.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
We know that Antarctica at some point, at least a
few points during the past was lush green. There were
jungles there and things like that, So there are things
for sure under Antarctica natural ones from.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
These previous periods.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
There are legends that the Nazis went at the end
of the World War, and these legends have some claims
in the historical sources that they at least tried to
went there, and they believed, of course, that there was
something there, something ancient. When it comes to civilization. There
are also some structures like this famous pyramid. Maybe it's

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man made, maybe it's natural. There are plenty of mysteries,
but I don't know exactly what is hiding under the Antarctic.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
I did not think, from what I know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Geologically speaking, that it was a place a very important
thing doing.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
The Atlantean times.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
But maybe before that, maybe after that, maybe some kind
of secret stuff going on there, But I'm not that
it was like the Atlantean stuff or something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
I want to get before we get to any more
audience questions here, I kind of want to get into
a lot of the mysteries of technology, because you know,
there have been relic artifacts that have been carbon dated
for for so long, and yet they look very very
real as if they were from today. The one that

(01:38:13):
really catches my mind is that is that little Swiss watch.
I don't know if you've ever seen that one, or
or something that looks like a Nokia cell phone, that
it was carbonated tens of thousands of years ago, and
yet it looks relatively to what we have. What do
you think that is.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
Some of these artifacts were the banked, maybe not all.
And I think that there are plenty of people who
tried to create this fake old artifact because when it
comes to all these things that look like the modern
ones exactly, that would be you know, the red flag,
because in the past it was probably even if it
was let's say, the same technology, it could have been different,

(01:38:56):
or maybe it was some kind of I don't know,
time travel, or maybe it was some kind of glitch
in the reality something like that. Okay, there is a
possibility like that. But also it's also about the carbon dating,
that most of the datings are not good for particular things.
The carbon dating is not for millions of years, as

(01:39:17):
some people claim, and plenty of these things were fined,
for instance in calls, so it's another red flag. Carbon
dating is just for the last few hundred, few thousand years,
But there are other elements that are having spenser of
millions of years. But the problem is that even small
things like radiation rays coming from the sun like solar
winds can completely change our datings. Distractions, not destruction, but

(01:39:42):
detonations of nuclear plants can also change the dating.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
So the dating is another problem. In itself.

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
But when it comes to these artifacts, I think it's
a very red flag if they look similar to like exactly, oh,
this is model like the modern one, because it may
be then faked into being all. There's some things very
debanked as that, because I think that it was if
it was really a million year old or hundreds of
thousands of years old technology, it would be different. You know,

(01:40:09):
maybe a watch bad one that cannot be fined in
the modern world. But as I said, maybe there are
also other stuff like glitches in the matrix time travel bad.
But there have been anomalous artifacts like that that have
not been the banked. Of course, it doesn't mean that
all of them were de banked. Some of them may

(01:40:30):
have been real. But as I said, even with this
dating stuff, they may not be millions of years old,
but maybe just tens of thousands of years old.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
So it's another mother.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I always wondered that. I think that is just something
that is very very intriguing. I mean, it's almost like
some of these objects have traveled back in time in
order to do that. No pun intended for the watch
or even the cell phone, but it's absolutely weird, Like

(01:41:04):
do you believe this may be off topic a little bit,
but do you believe maybe that there are portals out
there that can bend time in space?

Speaker 5 (01:41:14):
Yeah, I think it's possible. We know even from physics
that there are things that they that can bend time
and space with gravity or something. And I think even
this idea of portals or some kind of stargates like that,
it's there in ancient knowledge for ancestories. They even said,
for instance, when it comes to the pyramids or the

(01:41:34):
soul after we die, in ancient Egypt, it was believed
that part of the soul, not the Entaiwan, because Egyptians
were more advanced, that there was this back another part
of the soul, but one part of the soul was
going through was going to the Orion belt, and there
was this target that the Orion belt, and it went outside,

(01:41:54):
let's say, of the material around. Similar stories can be
found in Native Americans, which is very interesting that they
also said that it's the same place, So I think
it has some ground. I don't know you though, I
haven't experienced it of course myself, but I think it's
totally possible.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
What's your opinion? Then, changing topics again, of the Nazca lines,
in Peru.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
I think that it's very The question is you know
how they being on the ground build that without looking
at it from let's say above.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
So this is the biggest question.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
And also some of this because okay, Nasca lines, there
are some kind of animal species there, but there are
also geometric stuff there, which is I think the most intriguing,
these geometric figures that are really strange and may have
encoded something in them. Maybe there were some kind of
thing if you look from the space you see this

(01:42:57):
like QR code of the modern times. Here is the
Keyr coat of the Earth or something. But I think
that the Nasca lines do not have such an importance
in comparison to what we've been talking about Brahmits, magalays
and stuff like that. And I do not think that
all of them, these animals and others were used for

(01:43:18):
Some people suggest travel, space travel or just aviation. But
I think some of these geometric ones may hold a
bigger secret.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
I often wonder about that because you know, when you
look at the giant alien that is there, or some
of the other markings that they have created, you know
that took a lot of time and a lot of
geometry in order to accomplish that. Now we don't know
how long it took them to make one of these,

(01:43:51):
and they're still discovering them to this day.

Speaker 7 (01:43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Do you think that they were about communicating with the
gods above or do you think that they were there
to tell a story over their valley?

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
I think more of the second, that it was some
kind of story or some kind of memory for future generations.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
I don't think it was specifically for the gods, but
maybe you No.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
We have in other all over the world people were
doing crazy things, crazy monuments, stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
For gods, so I think that it could have been
both of this.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
So maybe a single one or two of them were
for some kind of God offerings, God communication, But then
all of that could have been for future generations, or
maybe each generation created their own single symbol in the
Nasca Plateau.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Out of all of it. What is your favorite topic.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Topic?

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
I think that it's not only history. The history is
like the most the research one by me, but when
it comes I think the favorite topic is the entire
universe again metaphysics. As I've said, the science is working
only when it comes to the material world, and it's
okay if we are at the end of today. It's
the most I think important thing for people listening to

(01:45:19):
us to understand that all of science, physics, chemistry, history,
only applies to what is called the natural rational world,
which means that any kind of supernatural things spiritual things
are outside of the scope of the domain of application
of science. So we can say that science is something

(01:45:40):
like a tool for us to understand the material world.
So let's say the matter, let's say the physical part
of our bodies and so on. But everything supernatural, everything spiritual,
is outside of the scope of science, and it's very
important in modern times because skeptics want to the bank
spiritual beliefs and stuff like that, while science is outside.

(01:46:04):
Is like, these things are outside of the domain of
applications of science. It's like physics versus biology. Physics is
applied to all of the biological things, but biology is
not applied to all the physical things. So on the
bigger level, science is only applied it's called naturalism. That
everything natural needs to have natural causes, which means there

(01:46:26):
is nothing supernatural, so science strips the world of everything
outside of matter. And also another thing, rationalism. Science believes
that everything should be rational and should be understand in
rational terms. So everything irrational, like spiritual experiences, mystical experiences,
crazy theories are actually non existent according to science, but

(01:46:47):
are outside of the domain of science. So I think
this is the biggest shift in understanding at a bit
of duality, but duality created by the science itself. That
plenty of the things that we are talking about things
that are people want to debunk these theories and say, oh,
this is pseudoscience or something. These are things outside of
the realm of science. And there is probably much more

(01:47:10):
to this world. There is much more potential to everything,
even the material world. We haven't figured out everything yet,
but there are so many mysteries that I think everyone
of us should have open mind and look into this
stuff because the more it's paradoxical. But the more you look,
the more you see how little we.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Know about the world, about history.

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
So this is the most important thing because then you
cannot be that easily manipulated into the official narrative.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Here a little bit conspiracy going on.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
But if you see how little we as humans know,
you see how you know all these textbooks, it's like
one or less than one percent of everything that's been
in the history or in physics or in chemistry.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
And if you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
See that, you are not that easy to be manipulated
by ideologies, by people who want to rule other people basically,
and want to let us believe that we were just
biological maschins nothing more. There is no meaning to life
and stuff like that, only evolution.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Yet, most of the ancient civilizations really stressed about praying
and worshiping the sky gods that were descending from the heavens,
you know, whether it was angels or you know, what
we would consider UFOs or anything along those lines. I

(01:48:40):
know that gets more into the ancient alien theory, but
it is true every civilization just seemed to have a
love for anything coming from the stars or the heavens.

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
Yeah, it's even some psychologists say, like modern casual ones,
that people in the past were thinking differently. We're thinking
more in mythological terms, that right now we are very
solidly grounded in this physical reality. I may be psychic
to some extent, had some spiritual experiences myself, but I'm

(01:49:15):
not saying ghosts and stuff all the time while I'm
sitting talking with you. But it's they found psychologists found
by analyzing ancient stories and stuff like that that people
were much more in tune with the world nature, and
that the gods, spirits and everything was like their everyday life.
It was like I'm sitting here with you and I

(01:49:36):
see some kind of ghosts at least energies of the place,
or I see some kind of energy talking to So
this was how the ancients were seeing the world. And
even in for instance, Hindu tradition is I think the
best explanation for that that there are these against cycles
of time. Desia book and Serving already been all about
not only history but also cyclical history, repeated history and

(01:49:58):
cyclical time. And in the Hindus system called the Yugas,
there is a mentioned that there are eras epochs in
which humans are more spiritual and there are epochs in
which there are more material and maybe you know, the
fall of Atlantis was with this coming into being more animalistic,
more material, from.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
Being very high spirituality.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
So I think as in this system that there are
epochs at some points we are more in tune with nature,
in tune with the non physical world spiritual world. But
I think it exists. I had some experiences that I
have no doubt that there is much more to life
than just material body. And I think again a litibate
conspiracy theory that there is right now this agenda going

(01:50:39):
on that wants to strip us away from spirituality to
control us, because okay, we're just biological machines. There is
no meaning to life, so it's very easy for us for.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
Them to control us.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
So that's my theory about the history and spirituality.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
All right, we got about three minutes to go here,
you know, before we have to say good night to
you in a show that has literally flown on by tonight.
What is your message for anybody looking into these ancient mysteries.

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
I think start with a skeptical mind, but not skeptical
in the sense, oh be a proponent of the mainstream narrative,
but start with I know nothing with a blank space.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
I want to know.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
I want to know the truth, and go and research everything,
both the mainstream narrative, the skeptics, the bankers, and all
of the alternative people, alternative theories, conspiracy theories. But also
always go to the sources because you will see, just
as I've said, my bog Deja, who has everything already
been that most of the modern what we call conspiracy

(01:51:48):
theories have been.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Already in ancient Summer, ancient Greece.

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
And you know, it's been thousands of years of the
same thinking about different conspiracies, about different kinds of lost civilizations.
So always go to the sources because you will find
that almost everything has already been and will at this
point that we are right now as humanity, it's nothing
new under the sun. Maybe better technology or something, but

(01:52:14):
nothing when it comes to the biggest questions about the
entire universe.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
I think that nails it on the head because we
really need to keep an open mind because you know,
eventually we may have that technology that is able to
carbon date. You know, maybe in a different terminology or
different scientific method. You know what these structures are where
they are buried. Maybe read maps a little bit more,

(01:52:42):
or read ancient Hebrew a little bit better. I mean,
it's all down the road, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:49):
Yes, As I say, there is so much potential, and
each day we're having more and more discoveries pushing dates
of civilization and humanity back. So never be that, oh,
there is nothing to be discovered about history.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
There are so many things both about our history about
our universe. So always be open mind, because if you
have open mind, you can come with more ideas, more technologists,
more inventions that if you are oh, there is nothing
to find, it's not worthy or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
How do you think AI will affect that? We got
about a minute to go.

Speaker 5 (01:53:25):
I think AI just helps on the rational level or
of storing information, like maybe I don't remember all the
books and everything I've read and I don't have time
to read it. Also, I can help us with that,
But I don't think it has like such creative capabilities
to create an invent new stuff. It's just a tool
that helps us, helps our ideas to be created, just

(01:53:50):
as I can take a tool and create something with
this tool, like a sculpture or something.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
My friend, it has been a great run having you
on spaced Out Radio tonight. What a pleasure to get
to know you your knowledge. It is very, very impressive
what you've accomplished so far. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
Really enjoyed it. It went so quickly, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Well, when you have some new information, you bring it
right back here. Okay, okay, okay, that sounds great. Alexander Chryskevich,
everybody on spaced Out Radio, we thank you for staying
getting up early in Poland to do this show. Swamp
Dweller and Josh rutledge're next.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Excellent job, my friend, Thank you for getting up early
for us.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Thank you really enjoyed it. Like two hours and it's
like half an hour or something. Yes, really cool, really cool.

Speaker 5 (01:55:10):
If you want, we can even without like new stuff,
but other topics we can explore.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Absolutely. We'll look to bring you on a little bit
later this year.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
All right, my friend, take care of the best. Good
night or good morning, see you later. He's a nice kid,
absolutely nice kid. I like that kid. Good job, dirty filth,
good job. I'll be right back.

Speaker 11 (01:56:09):
Us.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
All right, all right, Josh Dave. We have a special
guest joining us for a few minutes. Okay, it is
Lori and Fenton. If she'd turn her mic on, Hello,

(01:59:20):
there she is. We can hear you. Fine.

Speaker 12 (01:59:24):
Good, Because I'm on a weird headset here at the office,
I scround shit from my boss's desk.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
Oh Man, good stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:59:36):
Okay, I'm turning my Do you want me to turn
my mic volume up or down?

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Bring it up a bit if you can bring it
up a bit.

Speaker 12 (01:59:44):
Okay, tell me when it's good, I'll keep talking. So
have you got your airline ticket when you're coming in?

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
I'm coming in Friday morning, okay, perfect. I'll be there
Friday morning and then I leave Monday morning.

Speaker 12 (01:59:58):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 12 (02:00:03):
So Lee's not in tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
No, Lee isn't feeling good tonight.

Speaker 12 (02:00:07):
Oh darn, okay, that's okay. Not that I don't like Josh,
but Lee and I had already talked about what we
were going to kind of talk about tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
So yeah, that's okay. He got sick, all right. Yeah,
but look at Josh's beard. Look how nice that is?

Speaker 12 (02:00:28):
Very nicely trimmed. What can I say?

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
I'm even trimmed. I'm even getting my beard trim before
flying down.

Speaker 12 (02:00:35):
Oh no, don't do that. Uh huh okay, ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
It make it easier to go through security. Probably, Yeah,
always is is email. We got twenty seven seconds here.

Speaker 6 (02:00:56):
Always reminds me of the joke. You know what's behind
Chuck Norris's beard?

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Right, another fist fifteen seconds. I'm not gonna play swamped
aller tonight. We're just gonna go straight to you guys.

Speaker 12 (02:01:12):
Okay, okay, thanks, all.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Right, Here we go for the third and final hour
of space Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott.

(02:01:35):
We're gonna get into the UFO news coming on up.
Josh Rutledge filling in for Lee Strauss, and we have
special guests Lori and Benton here as well. Who has
UFOCON twenty twenty six coming up next weekend or this
coming weekend in San Francisco, California. You see aufocon dot

(02:01:56):
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here on spaced out Radio. All right, Josh Rutledge filling

(02:03:17):
in for Lee Strauss tonight we have special guests Laurien
Fenton here and Laurian. Are you all ready for UFO Con.

Speaker 12 (02:03:25):
I'm getting ready. I'm I'm packing already. I'm doing all
kinds of stuff. I'm making badges. What else am I doing?
Oh gosh, calling the winery and the whiskey guys and
getting everybody set up for their alcohol. But you have
to have you come to UFO Con anyhow. Yeah, we're

(02:03:48):
getting ready. We're getting ready good.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
I will be there at around eleven thirty in the morning.
I've landed about ten thirty. By time you get through
everything and get the Uber over to the hotel about
eleven fifteen, eleven thirty. I am so excited for this
year's event.

Speaker 12 (02:04:04):
Yeah, well, don't spend your money on the Uber. Grab
the shuttle.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
It's quicker if I go with the Uber, I know, but.

Speaker 12 (02:04:12):
You'd have to pay for it, I know. Well, yeah,
it's up to you. You do whatever you want. Uber's
always fun.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
All I'm saying. Lorian is where I live. We just
got a McDonald's. Okay, there is no Uber here. There
is no Uber here. So if I get a chance
to uber, I'm going to. I might even freak myself
out and get one of those driverless cabs.

Speaker 12 (02:04:36):
Oh yeah, those are interesting. I saw one in San
Francisco the other day. It really freaked me out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Yeah. Have you been in one of those yet, Josh.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
I have not.

Speaker 6 (02:04:46):
We have waimo here in Phoenix, which occasional.

Speaker 12 (02:04:52):
We have in San Francisco.

Speaker 6 (02:04:53):
Too, which occasionally ends up in the news. Is like
doing things like driving through an active police scene or
you know, stopping on a railroad or railroad tracks for
no reason. So but now my kids we see them
all the time on the road, and I think one
one day I might surprise my kids with, like, you know,

(02:05:16):
a special little ride in a way moow to, like
you know.

Speaker 7 (02:05:19):
Some event we're going to or something.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
So oh that just scares me. It absolutely scares me.

Speaker 12 (02:05:26):
Yeah, you can't get me in one of those things.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
There is a lot of UFO news, and Laurien, we
do want to talk about the Phoenix Lights. It's a
twenty ninth anniversary of the Phoenix Lights. But before we
get to that, you wanted to make a comment, and
the reason why you wanted to come on was because
you wanted to discuss something in the UFO world.

Speaker 12 (02:05:50):
Yeah. I just had to melt down this week and
I called Dave and I called Lee and I said,
I've got to talk about this because on Friday night,
because I just can't handle this, I watched The American
Alchemy with Eric Weinstein and Eric Davis, and I just
about went through the ceiling because Eric Weinstein brought up

(02:06:13):
the fact that Eric Davis doesn't know what the hell
he's doing, and neither do any of the other people
in ufology that we have been following all these years.
And I was like, oh my god, so somebody's finally
calling them out like I've been doing it for the
last twenty years. So I was just like, what the hell,

(02:06:35):
how did they even let this happen? Now, what I
find is fascinating about the whole thing you break it
down into pieces. First of all, we've got Jesse, who
is more than likely as I called David and we
talk about this. David, we talked about this. It's the
fact that there are certain podcasters out there that are

(02:06:56):
now in control of the narrative around ufology, and Jesse
is one of them. And he brings on full well
knowing that Eric Weinstein is just going to poop all
over Eric Davis full well ahead of time. I mean,
anybody can see that coming. You know, that would half
a brain cell because I know that Eric Davis can't

(02:07:18):
really talk about some of the stuff he's done, but
some of it he can. And he did go full
of full Monty on us about Roswell. If you guys
heard the interview, he comes right out and says, yes,
there was a crash at Roswell, and yes we have bodies.
He basically said that he kind of alluded to the
same thing in the Disclosure movie recently, so I wasn't

(02:07:41):
too upset about that when he finally, you know, just
said it. And Eric Weinstein. My problem with the whole
interview is this, folks. I've got one guy sitting here saying, yeah,
it's all real, but I don't even know how it
all works, and I can't figure it out, and neither
can help put Off, and neither can all the guys
that have gone before me, And we don't know what

(02:08:01):
the hell's going on, and We're just sitting here, you know,
doing theoretical physics, and we can't make anything work. We
can't make the ships fly, we can't do anything. And
then Eric Weinstein in turn says, well, you guys are
a bunch of buffoons. We're the physicists, because there's no
physicists involved. And I'm thinking to myself, yeah, I asked

(02:08:23):
that question many many years ago. Of certain people that
I can't tell you guys about that were related to
my buddy Tron. Tron introduced me to some people. Now
that he's dead, I guess I can tell you guys
about this. But he introduced me to some people that
were working in the space program. And because it's a

(02:08:43):
long story, but Tron was involved with the Challenger and
a bunch of other things. Long story short, he introduced
me to two gentlemen that I think we're involved with
the secret space program through Locking and all the other
guys down in near Pasadena. And they can't tell me

(02:09:06):
much of what they did or how they did it.
But I did get one of them to admit that yes,
they have faster than light propulsion systems, and that was
about as far as I got. And Tron had elluded
to me over the years, because you guys got to
realize something. All these guys are afraid that their families
are going to be killed or they're not going to

(02:09:27):
get a pension, so they're never going to talk. I
mean even Tron told me that the very first day
I met him. Because you're never going to get anything
out of me of any substance unless I inferred to it,
or you asked the right questions and I can answer them.
So that's kind of where I was at with this.
But I one thing I did get out of these
two guys is simply the fact that they felt that

(02:09:53):
there were not very many good people in ufology land,
like the house put Offs and those people that actually
knew how to do the physics around the UFO problem.
And when he said UFO problem, what he meant was,
you know, a crash ship and we're doing you know anti,
you know what they call it reverse engineering on it

(02:10:15):
or whatever to get it to fly. They had no
clue on what they were doing, and nobody does. And
here I'm watched Eric Weinstein. Now this is I talked
to those guys like fifteen years ago, right, So here's
Eric Weinstein fifteen years later, taking Eric Davis to the
woodshed about the fact that these guys are just flying

(02:10:36):
around by the seat of their pants. They have no
idea what they're doing, and I wanted to bring it
up with Dave tonight and to leave it now. Josh, Josh,
what do you think about that? Did you see the
interview at all?

Speaker 6 (02:10:50):
I didn't see the interview, but I have also raised
similar questions both on here with Dave. Another place is
in the past, like it. You know, we we give
we give a lot of credibility, uh to some of
these folks that come forward as being insiders. I don't

(02:11:15):
know that I would necessarily classify them as whistleblowers, but
insiders correct. You know, we give them a lot of credibility.
We give them a lot of leeway. We for the
most part of the community, we just accept blind acceptance
that they know what they're talking about, that they've got
the receipts they just can't show us. And I think that,

(02:11:39):
you know, for the most part, I've always been a
little hesitant to just blind accept someone who comes forward
and says, hey, we've reversed engineered stuff, because you know,
at the end of the day, everybody in the Aged
Disclosure documentary just talked about, for the most part, things

(02:11:59):
that have already.

Speaker 7 (02:12:00):
Been talked about.

Speaker 6 (02:12:02):
You know, it's really easy to come forward and say, yeah,
this is real, but then provide nothing to support your position.

Speaker 12 (02:12:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (02:12:11):
You know, it's kind of like.

Speaker 6 (02:12:12):
The I use this all the time. It's like the
guys in the nineties who came forward, those two older guys.
He came forward in the nineties and said, hey, we're
making all the crop circles.

Speaker 7 (02:12:21):
That's us.

Speaker 6 (02:12:22):
We do it with strings and boards, and they took
a reporter out in the field and they showed them
how they did it. It's really easy to claim something
when the actual creator may not be willing to come forward.

Speaker 12 (02:12:36):
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, very good point.

Speaker 5 (02:12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:12:40):
It was just it was the wildest interview guys I've
ever seen, and I just was very upset about the
whole thing because it really shows exactly what I've been
saying for years now, and it's basically that who's really
running the show here? Do we really know? And guess what,

(02:13:01):
there's even a tie to Epstein in this whole thing.
At the after the interview, Eric sits down with Jesse
and they talk about the interview, and then he starts
talking about the Epstein files in connection to the ufology world.
And I've always said that the guys that are running
the International Monetary Fund, and I put that in quotes

(02:13:23):
because I don't know it's them, but they are out
of Switzerland, and I believe that those are the people
that are funding like the Ebstein's of the world. And
there were probably only one or two or three that
I can figure out that we're like Epstein that were
actually hiring a scientist off the books to do cloning

(02:13:44):
and to do all kinds of crazy stuff. And now
we have one of his victims, the one that's in
South Africa who's come out and said she saw UFOs
on Epstein Island and that she saw aliens down in
the underground bunker there. Oh, it's getting stranger by the day,

(02:14:07):
you guys, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:09):
Laura, and I wanted to mention something to you and
and Josh. This week. I actually started making some phone
calls and I'm starting to put together a little piece here.
I don't know if I'm going to do anything with it,
but just for my own personal knowledge right now that
I could pass on to our audience and that eventually

(02:14:34):
when I get it. But I'm actually I've actually been
talking to some insiders in the last five six days
here regarding the whistle blowers and who is controlling who
they could talk to and who they can't. And there
are some names out there that I can't say right now,

(02:14:58):
but there there does seem to be a control mechanism
on who many of these people can talk to right now.

Speaker 12 (02:15:05):
Absolutely yeah. And let me tell you guys something back
in twenty and eleven, when or ten or eleven, when
Stan Romanac gets a knock on his door and there
Stan's John Alexander, and then the next person is I
think Eric Davis ends up there, and you know who
all I don't remember who all the players were, but

(02:15:27):
suddenly everybody's on his doorstep and they want to start
doing testing and they want to do this and they
want to do that, and after kind of moving in
on the weekends, the wife finally kicks him out and
the next thing, you know, Stan is then they're making
the movie. And then Stan is like, told, well, because

(02:15:49):
we can't control They didn't say it out right, but
basically the bottom line was this, folks, we can't control
you anymore, So we're going to make your life a
living hell. And that's what he did. They ruined the
guy's life because he was uncontrollable. And then comes along
Chris Bledsoe, and hey, I love Chris. I have no
problem with him. I've known since twenty twelve or whatever.

(02:16:14):
And Chris starts getting the knocks at the door too,
And the next thing you know, Jim Simmiban's over for
Thanksgiving dinner, and you know, John Alexander's hanging out, and
all these guys are hanging out, and everybody else gets
pushed out of his life. You know, the mouf On
people aren't welcome anymore. Nobody else is welcome to come

(02:16:36):
over there. It's just all these guys from the government.
And then the next thing you know, Chris is a
big star so and he's accepted them, and hey, they're
nice guys. I mean, some of these guys are nice guys.
I don't know them personally, so I can't really say
about anybody else. But I've met John, and I like John,
and I've met I haven't met Jim, but Melinda has

(02:17:00):
and she likes them. So I mean, I'm not saying
these guys are bad. I'm just saying it's so weird
that over the years, the people that knock on your door,
if you play ball with them, if you're a major contactee,
everything goes well in your life. And if you don't,
the next thing, you know, you're homeless. So I'm just
kind of putting two and two together here. I mean,

(02:17:21):
it's been a long track. I've watched certain people over
the years go through these same things. With these guys,
most of them never end up talking about their experiences again.
And I talk to him and I say, why won't
you talk about it?

Speaker 5 (02:17:34):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (02:17:35):
I just can't. And I'm like, well, what's that all about.
I think they've been threatened. So you know, I don't know, folks,
but there's just many, many little weird coincidences. And I'm
not blaming Jim or John or any of these guys.
I'm just saying, maybe there's a force behind all that
that we don't know about. That is they're just the messenger,

(02:17:55):
you know, for a much bigger cabal that I don't
know about.

Speaker 1 (02:18:00):
M Well, that's that's when I'm hearing about the whistleblowers,
not all of them. Okay, Like say, for instance, like
we had whistling Mike on the other night. He's not
a part of it. Jason Sands is not a part
of that. But the most of them, you know, are
allegedly under contact of who they can and cannot speak

(02:18:22):
to exactly.

Speaker 12 (02:18:24):
Well, I could never get it in any single one
of the mixip for Jason on my radio show. There's
just no way they won't talk to me.

Speaker 6 (02:18:33):
Do you think it's a matter of if they if
they go on to a show where the host is
more apt to ask a off the wall question, that
they might say something that has not been rehearsed.

Speaker 12 (02:18:51):
Yeh, I believe that for sure, or cleared by their
NDAs or whatever. The heck, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:18:58):
Might might they hint at, you know, not necessarily come
right out and say whatever, But might they hint at
or provide some piece of information because a question was
asked that hasn't.

Speaker 7 (02:19:09):
Been cleared exactly.

Speaker 6 (02:19:11):
You know, you and I were talking about, you know,
the the Obama thing that happened, you know, a few
weeks back. You know that that that question would have
gone through his team have been cleared. I would imagine
that a lot of these uh, you know, former government
guys probably also have teams that get involved to clear
certain questions.

Speaker 7 (02:19:31):
To be asked.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
Oh. Absolutely, from what I'm hearing, it is about safety
of the narrative. Okay that, oh, of course, that's completely
what it is.

Speaker 12 (02:19:45):
And that brings us all the way back to the
beginning of all this, when lou Alesando steps in and
now the narrative is there a threat? And that's where
they went for three or four years. They're a threat.
Now I don't know where they're going now. I still
think that they're you know, they are a threat, is
the main theme of the of the whole Cabal. But

(02:20:07):
it might be changing a little bit with the way
the whistleblowers are actually talking about and I and a
non human and Nhi in front of Congress. And I've heard,
you know, like I told you on the last time
I was on Dave, I heard Luna talk about other
dimensional beings on a national television show that she believes

(02:20:28):
that the whistleblowers are all talking about these other dimensional
beings and that we need to take it more seriously.
So you know, who knows. I mean, I can't tell
you what's actually going on, but it's kind of strange
that when on the biggest podcast we got out there
around ufology, that we have one scientist pitted against another scientist,

(02:20:51):
and that one scientist is the one that's not read
in and he's making the other guy look like a buffoon.
So I just found it fascinating that he could do that,
and then we didn't get any backlash from anybody like,
you know, saying I'm sorry, but you're not going to
make our main one of our main guys in the
Apology look like an idiot. You know, I don't know

(02:21:13):
how this got by them. I don't know what they
were thinking, but it really takes away my faith in
Eric Davis helped put off in the gang, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:21:24):
Well, it takes away my faith if I had any
in some of the podcasters, like I don't know why,
but for some reason, my Reddit feed has been filled
with a lot of stuff around Jesse Michaels and some
of the kind of shady things apparently that he's been
up to, such as, you know, offering a reward for

(02:21:46):
somebody who can recreate some scientific thing in a vacuum,
but then when it was done, you know, not paying
those people. His one of his moderators on his discord
has recently, you know, kind of stepped away from American
alchemy because of that.

Speaker 7 (02:22:03):
I just you know it again, uh, you know, just.

Speaker 6 (02:22:07):
Just like non UFO related news, like you know is
is the narrative being controlled by some you know, shadowy
figure or entity or uh you know, organization, and our

(02:22:27):
our podcasters like Jesse Michaels, who have you know, a
pretty strong financial backing from some folks. Are are they
being directed to control?

Speaker 12 (02:22:40):
You'd have to be or you couldn't be giving that
kind of money to run a show like that. Yeah,
I mean, I just I can't imagine that that Well, Okay,
I will say the Sean Ryan Show doesn't seem as
contrived to me as the rest of them. I think
Sean probably hasn't to anybody. I think he's bringing on

(02:23:03):
the UFO people just because it's a hot topic and
he wants to cover it. And there have been a
few things on his show that have been enlightening to me,
but most of it's just the can stuff, like he
had Stephen Greer on, He's had a few people, and
you know, it's all it's the same as everybody else
has done over the years. Whereas Jesse pokes the bear

(02:23:24):
and he pokes it into the box you want it in,
you know, he wants it in, or whoever's controlling him
wants it in instead of like leaving it up to
our imagination. This whole Eric Weinstein eric Davis thing turned
into Eric Weinstein's piss because the you know, the UFO
people are a bunch of buffoons, and that if he'd

(02:23:45):
stepped in and taken care of it, we'd have all
the answers right now. And I don't know if that's
what they want out there, is they want us confused
about who's in charge because those are all the guys
that are in all the movies that are coming up.
Maybe they want us to like disregard them. You know,
I'm just trying to figure out what this is all about.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
Well, you guys hold on right there, because we do
have to go to break at the bottom of the hour.
And Laurien, if you want to stick around with Josh
and myself, you're more than welcome because we are going
to switch topics. It is the twenty ninth anniversary of
the Phoenix Lights incidents. Twenty nine years ago, the aliens
arrived in the Arizona Desert.

Speaker 3 (02:24:32):
This is spaced out radio and your host's name. Stop.

Speaker 1 (02:24:55):
All right, guys, we're clear.

Speaker 12 (02:24:57):
Okay, Hey, thanks for letting me talk about that. I
really appreciate because not very many hosts would let me
talk about some other host show.

Speaker 1 (02:25:06):
Well, you know what, it's relevant to the segments. So
that's why it works.

Speaker 12 (02:25:11):
Oh, good, good, good, And yes, I'll stick around for
Phoenix sights. I don't have much to say, but I
like to listen and make a comment or two. I
don't know much about it, but I do have a
couple stories from that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
But you know, well, this is Josh's forte Josh.

Speaker 12 (02:25:28):
So far Man, the woo foo wizard of them all.

Speaker 1 (02:25:32):
Why they call him the wizard and they is the
entire UFO world, not that it was made up here.
Hey b Arthur in the chat room. How you doing, Buddy,
Good to see you. You're looking golden tonight.

Speaker 12 (02:25:50):
Oh I didn't put a picture. If there was, I
supposed to do that, Dave. No, okay, no, I.

Speaker 6 (02:25:59):
Think the uh, the pulsating circle every time you talk,
I mean, it just gives a little, you know, air
of ambiguity, really.

Speaker 7 (02:26:08):
Adds It's like a mystery.

Speaker 1 (02:26:10):
See that's why Josh is allowed here for using words
like ambiguity. He's one of them smart people. By the way, Josh,
I was going to call you the other night because
I saw your post about your wife getting a four
point zero GPA or whatever it was. Could you give

(02:26:32):
her a big congratulations from all of us. Yeah, that'd
be one will.

Speaker 6 (02:26:37):
Yeah, she she had to outdo me. I graduated with
my master's in psychology with a three point six, so
she's she decided she had to outdo me, and so
she's going to try to maintain her four point zero
and closely graduates at the end of this year.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
Wow, good for her. Yeah, that's impressive. Give her a
few claps from us.

Speaker 12 (02:27:00):
She's doing psychology as well, she is, Oh my god,
it's going to be the husband and wife psychology team.
Nothing scary about that.

Speaker 7 (02:27:11):
She actually wants to be a counselor.

Speaker 6 (02:27:13):
So she's going to do our master's in psychology now
and then probably in a couple of years, do her
doctorate in counseling.

Speaker 12 (02:27:22):
So yeah, so she'll become an MFT. Yeah, okay, but
she easier if you've already got your pH d.

Speaker 6 (02:27:35):
And she was working on her masters and counseling. But
was coming up on the she had to be she
had to have an internship, and she works full time,
and so we weren't really sure how we're going to
swing full time, work full time, you know, mom, and
somehow work an internship in So she switched master's in

(02:27:58):
psychology and then couple years down the road when probably
when the kids are you know, able to drive themselves,
or have you know, moved down to go to college
or whatever, then we'll then she'll go back and get
her doctorate.

Speaker 12 (02:28:11):
Yeah, smart move. I work for one of the top
psychologists in the United States, in the top I think
top twenty five.

Speaker 6 (02:28:26):
Yeah, both of our, for each of us, our degrees
are in the research side of psychology, so not clinical psychology.

Speaker 12 (02:28:35):
Oh okay, very cool. We run well, we don't run
it anymore because we don't have to. But we were
working with a company called Neurocach and it does brain
repair and she's a psychologist in charge of it, unlike

(02:28:55):
at the West Coast, and it helps we goin pathways
after major accidents or trauma or severe concussions, strokes, and
mostly it helps regrow pathways that bypass the cravings for

(02:29:16):
alcohol and drugs and that's what we're using it for
mostly in our practice.

Speaker 7 (02:29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:29:24):
I can't remember the name of it. It's been a
few weeks ago and I was reading an article about
the new there's a new device that can be used
that uses electromagnetic pulses to treat people with adhd Oh cool.

(02:29:44):
So I, like I said, I can't remember the name
of it right now, but it is actually a like
it's they're pushing for it to be an insurance covered
medical device.

Speaker 7 (02:29:53):
Yeah device.

Speaker 12 (02:29:55):
Yeah, we can't get ours covered. We've been trying for
ten years. It's nightmare that insurance. And once we get
the insurance, this thing is going to go global. I mean,
it's amazing. It's just very expensive. And right now you
have to have a coach with you when you do
the session, kind of like a trainer or something.

Speaker 1 (02:30:14):
All right, guys, we're coming back in five seconds. Okay,

(02:30:38):
final half hour of spaced out Radio tonight. My name
is Dave Scott, Josh Routledge, the Wizard Larian Fenton is
here and it's the twenty ninth anniversary of the Phoenix
Likes and what a story it is. From flares from
jets to fake aliens being trotted out into a press conference.

(02:31:00):
It was an incredible, incredible time. So let's take you
through here what happened. Back in March of nineteen ninety seven,
Literally tens of thousands of people from Arizona and parts
of Nevada watched seeing these unusual lights moving across the

(02:31:20):
sky over roughly three hundred miles. Witnesses described seeing huge
V shaped or boomerang shaped formations, and later that night,
many people in the Phoenix area saw a separate light
or a separate line of lights just lighting up in
about a two mile span. Josh, want to get your take.

(02:31:42):
You live in the Arizona area.

Speaker 7 (02:31:45):
I do.

Speaker 6 (02:31:46):
I wasn't here for Phoenix Lights. I was in Kentucky
when that occurred, but I do remember reading about it
and hearing about.

Speaker 7 (02:31:53):
It on the old television.

Speaker 5 (02:31:59):
I have.

Speaker 6 (02:32:00):
I've met people since coming to Phoenix who were here
for the Phoenix Lights and actually have had some experiences
and share those experiences with me. I mean, it's an
amazing it was an amazing event. You know, you mentioned
that there were some flares from planes. You know, that's

(02:32:21):
really interesting that so the main event for the Phoenix
Lights was actually witnessed by most people in Phoenix around
the eight pm timeframe, a local time. The flares that
were later dropped and then filmed were around ten pm.
So anybody who says, oh, here's the picture of the flares,

(02:32:42):
that's the event, understanding that there was a two hour
gap between when people reported what they saw versus when
the flares were dropped over South Mountain.

Speaker 1 (02:32:56):
Well, remember doctor Stephen Greer summoned them in. That we
found out twenty eight years later.

Speaker 7 (02:33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:33:05):
Again, easy to make a claim for something that the
other party can't necessarily dispute.

Speaker 1 (02:33:12):
Very true, Very true, Laurien, did you hear that story?

Speaker 9 (02:33:17):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:33:17):
And I'm sitting here laughing because I haven't heard that before.

Speaker 1 (02:33:21):
Yeah. Last my last year, doctor Stephen Greer decided to
come out publicly for the first time, saying that he
was on a plane flying to Phoenix and he was
starting to summon them in on the plane, and then
eventually he met up with a general and they went
up top of this mountain where he is the one

(02:33:44):
who called in the Phoenix lights.

Speaker 12 (02:33:47):
Oh God, why do I just not believe that story?

Speaker 1 (02:33:50):
You think he might have told it a year or
two earlier rather than twenty eight years later.

Speaker 12 (02:33:57):
Record it while it's happening, so we can all I
really know for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:34:02):
But who did see them, Who did see them and
call them in was actor Kurt Russell. He was flying
his son Wyat from Los Angeles to Phoenix when he
saw these lights appearing in the sky. That seemed very odd,
and he actually started talking to the control tower about them.

Speaker 12 (02:34:23):
I did hear that. That's very interesting, you know what.

Speaker 6 (02:34:27):
You know what's even more interesting about that story with
Kurt Russell he forgot about it after he ended and
dropped his son off. He forgot all about it for
twenty for like twenty years, and then.

Speaker 7 (02:34:41):
It came up.

Speaker 6 (02:34:42):
It came up on some show that he was being
interviewed on, and that's when he remembered that he actually
witnessed like he just totally blinked it out for twenty years.

Speaker 12 (02:34:52):
Well that sounds like a contact d to me.

Speaker 1 (02:34:55):
Yeah, yes, totally. Here's another piece of hockey trivia. Because
Loaurie and I know you love hockey. You're a big
San Jose Sharks fan.

Speaker 12 (02:35:04):
I am.

Speaker 1 (02:35:06):
Did you know that Kurt Russell's son, Wyatt, before he
was an actor, played junior hockey here in British Columbia
as a goaltender.

Speaker 12 (02:35:15):
I do know that I know all about it. Yep,
that I do know. But he didn't. He just I
don't know what happened, But he didn't go pro No.

Speaker 1 (02:35:26):
Yeah, no, no he did not. But one of the
big issues with the Phoenix lights that I saw was,
was it a day or two after Governor Fife, Symington
comes out and does this press conference.

Speaker 12 (02:35:42):
And that really pissed me off. But go ahead tell
the story. It made me very angry.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
So Simington's holds his press conference. He's got media from
all over the United States there because they're all interested
in the UFOs, and he he says, we found the culprit.
I'm paraphrasing here. We found the culprit. We've caught them,
and we know who committed the Phoenix lights. And then

(02:36:10):
the bay doors open to the hotel ballroom where this
press conference is being held, and they trot out a
person in an alien gray suit costume in handcuffs, and
the alien walks up to the microphone and says, I'm sorry,

(02:36:32):
and everybody starts laughing. Simington gets a laugh, much to
the chagrin of a lot of his citizens of Arizona.
Who the majority of them did not like him, thought
he was crooked as can be at the time, and
then he makes fun of them for seeing these lights
and giving a Kakamami press conference about it. Now years later,

(02:36:56):
about fifteen twenty years later, Simington actually comes out for
the first time and says that he witnessed them as
well and didn't know what they were. Josh, do you
think that he was told by someone up above to
make fun of this subject, because it just seems like that.

Speaker 6 (02:37:18):
I don't think so. I don't think there was any
conspiracy there. I think it's just a matter of it
was like it was actually several weeks after it occurred,
people were, you know, really still trying to figure out
what was going on, and I think he was just
trying to, you know, add humor into a situation that

(02:37:39):
was really being taken very seriously, just from a you know,
what are they? Why are they here? He was just
trying to lighten the mood. I think it just didn't
go over well, you know, I don't. I don't think
there was anybody higher up that said, hey, do this

(02:37:59):
thing to strack people from this or whatever, or to
or to cast doubt on anything. I think the military
scrambling jets two hours after it happened and dropping flares
over the mountain that was done to cast doubts on
what was happening. But I don't think five Simon tan,

(02:38:21):
you know, and I don't think he did anything to
There was no grand conspiracy. You know, he made a
bad decision in his in his efforts to try to
lighten the mood. He didn't read the room, so to speak.
But I don't think there was anybody directing him.

Speaker 7 (02:38:37):
To do so.

Speaker 12 (02:38:40):
I totally agree with you. I think that his press
person put it all together thinking it would just calm
everybody down and get some of the heat off of them,
because I bet the military was going after their office saying,
shut this down. We're tired of people. You know, rang

(02:39:00):
as a calling. They were calling the airport, they were
calling the bases nearby, there were reporters everywhere. I mean,
this went on for like weeks after the event, so
I'm pretty sure they got told to do something, you know,
to settle this down. And I'm sure he wasn't on
that phone call. It was his press person there in
his office that was on that phone call. So anyhow,

(02:39:23):
that's my take on it, That's what I think happened.
And like you said, Josh, I think he didn't know
that they were going to do that. I think it
was just sprung on him at the last minute, and
he went along with it because you know, frankly, what's
he going to do, right, He's just got to He's
got to get the press away from the subject as
fast as he can.

Speaker 6 (02:39:45):
I mean, you know, like you said, Dave, he was
being investigated at the time for some you know, rather
shady things. So it would have benefited him more to
keep this in the news, right because it would have
attracted people from the other things that were going on.

(02:40:05):
So you know, the fact that he you know, made
this little joke, you know, in an effort to quieten
things down, I think indicates that you know, he he
just he was just going along with like you said, uh, Lauren,
like what Laurien, what his press, you know, press people
were telling him that they think that he should do.

Speaker 7 (02:40:27):
To try to quieten things down.

Speaker 12 (02:40:29):
Yeah, I did hear that. He was that his office
was getting calls from the military base, the air the airports,
you know, everybody, you know, anybody who of the p
R people in the whole state of Phoenix or the
city of Phoenix and the state of Arizona were calling daily.
I mean they were getting deluged. That's what the word

(02:40:50):
I think they used for the military guys. They said
they were getting deluged with phone calls about the ship.
And so I know they want that story to go away,
you know, And so yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
And I feel bad for him in a weird way,
because god, what was it? Twenty years later he comes

(02:41:11):
out and says it, Dave, what did you tell us?

Speaker 1 (02:41:14):
Well, he said he witnessed it. He said he will
that's right.

Speaker 12 (02:41:18):
Yeah, yeah, So how many years later was that though?

Speaker 2 (02:41:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:41:21):
Fifteen?

Speaker 6 (02:41:23):
He said that in James Fox's What We Know What
we saw. That's where he went on the record as
saying he had an experience too.

Speaker 4 (02:41:34):
Oh yeah, come out.

Speaker 12 (02:41:37):
Okay, that was a while back, but still, I mean,
at least he admitted it true.

Speaker 7 (02:41:43):
Two thousand and nine is when that came out.

Speaker 1 (02:41:46):
Yeah, very true. Well, let's get to another story here,
because here's an one that came out that I want
to get your opinion on. We all know Steven Spielberg
has created a new UFO movie coming out in June
called Disclosure Day, and he was recently asked by the
Hollywood Reporter whether or not he believes in real life

(02:42:08):
existence of aliens, and Spielberg's response is this, I don't
know any more than any of you do. But I
have a very strong suspicion that we are not alone
here on Earth right now, and I made a movie
about that, said the legendary seventy nine year old filmmaker
during a keynote interview at the south By Southwest Film Festival.

(02:42:32):
Elaborating on his view, Spielberg noted that when he heard
former President Barack Obama recent viral comment that aliens are real,
his first thought was, oh my god, this is so
great for Disclosure Day, And two days later he stepped
it back to say that what he believed was in

(02:42:54):
life in the cosmos, which of course everybody should have
believed in he continued, because no one should ever think
that we are the only intelligent civilization in the entire universe.
So I've been thinking as a since I was a kid,
that we are not alone. So that just goes without saying.
The big question is are we alone now? And have

(02:43:18):
we been alone? Over the last eighty years? Have we
been alone over the last few thousand and Spielberg says
he was reinvigorated into making his first UFO movie since
Close Encounters of the Third Kind by The New York
Times twenty seventeen story about a secret government program tracking UFOs,

(02:43:38):
as well as the congressional hearings in recent years featuring
government whistleblowers. Yet the filmmaker says he's never seen a
UFO himself, though he desperately wishes he had. He goes,
I made Close Encounters of the third kind. I haven't
even had a close encounter of the first or second kind?
He said, Why haven't I seen anything? Half of my

(02:44:00):
friends have seen UFOs. Where's the justice of that? If
you're listening out there. I'm not afraid of any aliens.
I have no fears about it whatsoever. I think our
movie does take into consideration that social dislocation that could
occur if it was announced there is interaction with aliens

(02:44:21):
that have been going on for decades. It's going to
cause a disruption in a lot of belief systems, But
I don't think it is a lethal disruption at all.
Your thoughts, Lauren.

Speaker 12 (02:44:34):
Oh my god. Well, I just saw the poster for
this movie today has got what a universe with an
eyeball in it looking out at you. It looks like
a UFO shape. I mean, it's very strange. And for
Spielberg to say something like that when I know full
well he was read in back when he was making

(02:44:55):
Close Encounters of the Third Kid by Jacques Belat and
a few other people. And the reason I know this
is because our long lost friend Jordan Maxwell was working
with some people that were working with Spielberg. Any How,
long story short, he was at a party where he

(02:45:18):
knows that Spielberg knows all about the UFOs and the aliens.
Spielberg was read in when he was making ET So
I mean Close Encounters. I'm sorry, wrong one. And so
I know he knows, and he's just saying what he
has to say because he's not allowed to sit there
and say, just like Barack Obama wasn't allowed and got

(02:45:39):
spanked for it to say that ET's are real. So anyhow,
that's just what I know from Jordan Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (02:45:49):
And Josh, you sent me something that was very interesting
about how disclosure day was. You sent me that picture
right about the telepromoter explain that.

Speaker 6 (02:46:03):
Yeah, so you you you actually gave me you know,
has said, hey, pause the TV pause the trailer at
the scene where there it's later on in the in
the new official trailer. Uh, they're they're like, uh, it's
back in the studio where they're doing the news report
or whatever. And if you pause the video when they're

(02:46:24):
looking at the screen of teleprompter things and grab a clip,
what is on the teleprompter reads nuclear threat looms over
the continent and the world. So that was that's going
to be read or at least it's aligne to be
read in by the news anchors in the movie. So

(02:46:49):
you know, based on the interview that you just read
their dave about from Spielberg, I think I think I've
pieced together what this movie is. It's it's people who
know the quote unquote truth, and it's Spilberg's portrayal of

(02:47:10):
what how that truth could affect the populace, the world,
the globe, everybody, markets, whatever, if it were to come out.
That's that's my prediction on what this movie is going
to be about. And I'm hoping, I'm hoping that the
movie ends off with crisis averted we're all better off

(02:47:36):
having no to know the truth. But that's what I
think is going to be kind of the underlying driving
factor is that how society will react to quote unquote truth.

Speaker 1 (02:47:52):
The other aspect, too, is once again, how real it's
hitting it home? Okay. You know a lot of people
are talking are we entering the start of World War three?
With what's going on in the world right now? Okay?
And there it's always been talk over the years that
if the big buttons are pushed, the aliens are going
to divert these nuclear weapons and blow them out of

(02:48:14):
the sky. Many people have said that they've got that
in downloads and visions and so on and so forth.
And it really makes me wonder, larean as we got
about three minutes to go, if that is, you know,
kind of a precursor of what we're going through today.

Speaker 12 (02:48:34):
You know, Dave, I worry. I worry every day about this,
what humans are doing to this planet. And I pray
that the ets intercede and fix the problems. But that's
not happening. And what you just said is very very true.
I mean, I just don't know. It seems like we're

(02:48:54):
at the precipice of some big changes going on in
the world, and I just wish the aliens would come
down and take care of us all. But I don't
think it's going to happen. I think we've got to
figure it out for ourselves.

Speaker 6 (02:49:07):
So yeah, I think I would agree. I think that
it's kind of like a kid in a hot stove, right.
They let us touch the hot stove right in nineteen
forty five. Yeah, well, and when we dropped the two bombs,

(02:49:28):
they let us touch the hot stove.

Speaker 12 (02:49:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, they let us.

Speaker 6 (02:49:31):
Touch it every time we detonated, you know, us detonated
like fifteen hundred nuclear weapons over the course of you know,
ten years. They let us touch the hot stove then.
But you know, now we know that the stove is hot.
And I think the only time they'll really step in
is if we're going to touch the hot stove again.

(02:49:53):
But everything else, I think they're kind of waiting.

Speaker 9 (02:49:55):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:49:56):
It's unfortunate that as a society, as a people, really
that we always look to someone else to fix our
problems for us, and for a lot of people, aliens
have just replaced whatever their deity was or whatever, or
as an addition, you know, sent by their deity to
help pull humanity up out of the muck. But you know,

(02:50:20):
the only way we're ever gonna learn not to touch
the hot stove is by getting burned. And that's just
that's how we learn.

Speaker 1 (02:50:30):
Yeah, we're kind of silly that way. Yeah, we are
kind of silly. It is the human way, this whole
free will God had to give us, like holy cow,
Holy col Like you think it could have, you know,
tighten it up a little bit, tighten up the screws
a little bit on that. But yeah, I think overall,
I like, I can't wait for Disclosure Day to come out.

(02:50:54):
I think it's going to be very interesting. There's already
some major points in there that I think are going
to play out what we're seeing and you follow g
today and I still think the next big thing that
we're gonna hear coming out of that movie is the
clicking sounds communication clicking sounds. I think we're gonna see
a lot more people come out of the woodwork about that.

Speaker 6 (02:51:14):
Which I'm gonna tell you, Dave. Every time I watch
the trailer and hear that that clicking noise, I get
like I get energy waves over my body, like not
cod chills, so they're not, you know, like an eerie thing.
It's just energy waves all over my body every time
I hear them.

Speaker 1 (02:51:31):
You got that right.

Speaker 12 (02:51:32):
Those clicking sounds really bother me. You guys reminds me
of something.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
Yeah, I remember listening on my patio to the conversation.
It was weird.

Speaker 6 (02:51:46):
It's also used in signs. If you remember he held
the walk oh yeah, in the car and that's what
you hear them talking on that.

Speaker 1 (02:51:53):
So yeah, the clicking sounds are making a return, and
we got to say good night. Thank you, Laurie in
fenting from UFO con in San Francisco, CAUFO con dot com.
We'll see you next week. Josh Rutledge, thank you my
friend for filling in for Lee Strauss. Hello to mister Ron.

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