Are UFO Whistleblowers in FEAR for their LIVES? Courtney Marchesani says they are!

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September eighteenth through twentieth Right here in the heart of
British Colubia for our only paranormal conference. We have an
amazing show coming up tonight. We are going to learn
about the dangers of whistleblowers of what they face and
so much more. Courtney Marcusani will join us here momentarily

(02:54):
for an exclusive interview on this. Then in our number
three Swamp Dweller, we'll kick off. We will then follow
that up. It's usually Robin Haynes night, but Christian McCloud
will be filling in as Robin is ailing tonight, so
let's get right to it. I love it when Courtney
is on. We just spent the weekend hanging out at

(03:14):
UFO Con twenty twenty six in San Francisco, California, and
it was really nice to catch up with her as
Courtney Marcasani is a rising voice of the world of
UFO and UAP research, known for her intuitive perspective a
deep curiosity about the nature of extraterrestrial contact. Blending personal
experiences with thoughtful investigation, She explores emotional, psychological, and spiritual

(03:38):
dimensions of human interaction with non human intelligence and the
cover ups that go along with that. From the governmental side,
Courtney has become a familiar name within the ufology community,
contributing fresh insight from sources into how these encounters may
be shaping consciousness, expanding our understanding of reality and why

(03:59):
this story he keeps getting pushed under the rug. We're
gonna get into it with whistleblowers with her like Courtney
Marcussani from somewhere unknown in California after hiking the Big Sir,
how you doing.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'm good, am. I worked my way back up after
the Big hikes. So I'm in Pacifica on the west
side of San Francisco, coming back in and I'm getting
ready to fly back to Anchorage.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
It was so great spending some time hanging out with
you and Science Bob, and you know, getting to chalk
with people like Robert Sallis as well as John Blitch
and many others. Throw the weekend. A big shout out
to Jeff Silver an experience her from Vancouver, who's been
on this show a couple of times. You know, it

(04:49):
was such a great weekend. You must be just so exhausted.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, well, it was a great talk. It was nice
listening to the other centers. I got to listen to
Marian rob and Dave Rich that was really interesting. I
got to listen to Michael Schratt. Michael Schrat's presentation was
just literally like rock star performance for UFOs. I mean

(05:15):
he was representing so hard. Bob's presentation was incredible when
he talked about all the updates on the science. So
that was really fun listening to his talks and what
he's into. So yeah, it was It was great, and
it was nice hanging out with you and Bob and

(05:35):
the SR crew. It was really fun reconnecting and just
having a bunch of joyful fun.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Shout out to Michael James Walker, who has been a
guest on this show. He's listening in on Facebook right now,
and I love this guy. He is such a good dude.
I've met him a few years ago. Decided to bring
him on as a guest because of his amazing ET
contact experience, and we had had a couple of good
chats there. He had he had the booth that had

(06:04):
all of those those resin UFOs and little swords and
necklaces and everything.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
He just an amazing dude. Great hair too, fantastic hair.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
But yeah, and I got to meet Dick Langdon too.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I got to meet Dick Langdon.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
He has a friend, a mutual friend, and I knew
he had been on SR before and I'd been trying
to connect to him, so we actually connect in person.
That was very nice. They had a nice chat. I
got to meet his wife and got he gave me
a free copy of his book, so I'm going to
read that.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
So and we'll bring Courtney back here in a second.
As Yeah, the UFO con was absolutely amazing. Through it all,
I mean, what an event, what a great time that
we had, Courtney. I mean for you to experience, for

(06:58):
you to experience your own first conference, you know, speaking
about UFOs. What was going through your mind?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, of course I was nervous, but you know, I.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Right, It is a little bit of nervousness when you
go through something along those lines. So I'm always curious about,
you know, how you do it, Like how did you
present you.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
No, taking evidence to Tim Burchett in Congress and writing
you know, press releases about the leak of his medical
records and everything. So I got to explain that to
everybody in the history around that and the laws.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So it was good.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was nervous, but it went well.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Michael Schratt was incredible.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, he was the best. He was the best. I mean,
his his his illustrations, his case by case history of
doctor Leo Sprinkle's work, fascinating. Yeah, his was by far
above head and shoulders above everybody. He's like, he was

(08:05):
like impeccable.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you know what, it is just an incredible event.
And hats off to Laurie invented who will be our
guest tomorrow night on the show, so that way, you know,
we could talk about it from her perspective. You know,
it was weird because Laurien, in fifteen years of doing
UFO con, had never spoken at her own conference until

(08:30):
this year, and she was incredible. She was incredible. So
I loved it. I loved it. It was such a
relaxing time. And for the record, just so everybody knows,
I went three for three each night eating Taco Bell.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Got Witness two.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I got my three for three in eight taco Bell
each night. I'm feeling great. I feel way better and
now I can stop whining and complaining for a while.
See for people are wondering what the hell is Dave
worried about Taco Bell. You know, maybe they're listening for
the first time. They're like, Taco Bell really really Well,

(09:13):
my town, we don't have it. My closest Taco Bell
is two hours away, so it is a luxury you know,
it's like going to a good steakhouse. It's a luxury.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I felt bad that I didn't get Lorian's order in.
I felt really bad about that, and then she had
to order separately, and it took forever because we just
kept talking and she just kept getting distracted to She
didn't get her food till like two in the morning.
I felt. I felt so bad.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh, but what a great time. Indeed, Hey, I want
to ask you, we are going to get into the
whistleblowers tonight because your presentation about some of the dangers
that these people are in. I thought you presented that
very well, okay, and I thought that you were very
knowledgeable in breaking down how it works and everything. And
I want to get into that for our listeners today

(10:03):
because all of a sudden, you know, you get all
these people saying, you know, why don't they just come out,
Why don't they just say what's going on? Why don't
they show their evidence? Why don't they show their proof?
But there's a little bit of a conspiracy that is
starting to build around the UFO world right now, and
it really revolves around the disappearance of Major General Neil McCaslin.

(10:26):
So on Benny Johnson's podcast, he had Tim Burshett as
a guest. I'm not sure if you were able to
hear it or not now, okay, but Burshett revealed that
there's been a number of UFO scientists who've been found
dead or disappeared since testifying about what they know about

(10:50):
the UFO files. Burshett went on to say and quote,
something dark is going on. I know these scientists and
research they have testified. We've got to get to the
bottom of it. It's just too much. Too much is
going on right now. And by the way, I'm not suicidal.

(11:12):
So they put a list of.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
There and bur Burlison said that recently too, I'm not
suicidal exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So you back on February twenty seventh, you have Major
General retired William Neil McCaslin, who is mentioned in the
Wiki League's files about UFOs.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, you have to break that down for people who
don't know, go back into the history and tell them.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, on February twenty seventh, he disappeared. He vanished from
his house, he left his glasses, he left his wallet,
He did take his revolver, which was interesting, and I
believe he took something else with him, and right before
he disappeared, his wife about an hour before, went to

(12:03):
his to a doctor's appointment, and then he had a
some sort of mechanic or somebody coming over to fix something.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
In his house, right, a repair worker.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Repair worker, and then he in between that hour he disappeared.
He vanished without a trace. There seems to be as
far as we know, no video of him leaving. None
of his neighbors have ring doorbells that see him walking
away or anything. We don't know this. If there is,
the police in the area of New Mexico have not

(12:39):
released that. Okay, he just disappeared. And then we learn
as we go on with this. Monica Reiza, who was
an assistant to mccaslyn, who was an aerospace materials scientist.
She actually created a new material for weaponry that was

(13:00):
working very well.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
It was nuclear, right, wasn't she in nuclear.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Sign something along those lines. Well, on June twenty second
of last year, she was hiking in the Angelus National
Forest in California and vanished, and in fact, before the
search was even called off, they actually declared her dead
and had a funeral with the And yet the search

(13:28):
and rescue is still on the mountain looking for her,
and I believe.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Bizarre and we have this happen in other cases too,
where there is a death and the person's cremated very quickly.
I'll just name Pat Price. Remember he was down in
Las Vegas and he passed away unexpectedly, and then Kit
Green went down to do the forensic you know, autopsy
and everything because he was part of the Stargate program

(13:54):
and he had been cremated, very very similar kind of
rush rush.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, there's a few more here, let me name them.
MIT fusion physicist Nuno Loriero.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
He was shot a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
He was shot and killed in December at his home.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Right scientists, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Cal Tech astrophysicist Carl Grillmaer was fatally shot last month.
He was shot last month at his home. And and
Novartis scientist Jason Thomas. His body was just recently found
this month after disappearing in December. Now a lot of

(14:39):
people will say, Okay, well, things happen. These are all
spread kind of around the world. But the tie they
all have together, like tim Bershett said, is that there
is this tie of UFOs and UFO research that strings
them all together now. Lou Elizondo, who used to run
the A Tip program. He went on a podcast last

(15:01):
week saying that he believed this had nothing to do
with UFO is when it came to McCaslin. But now
when you put all these names together, Courtney, it makes
you wonder there has.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And by the way, did you see that Lou gott
in a motorcycle accident.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I did.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Okay, Well, I just want to let everybody know to
send your thoughts of healing and positive thoughts to Lou.
He was on his motorcycle and a bunch of deer.
I guess we're in the road. And he put a
photo of himself up, you know, in the hospital and
the whole gown and everything, and he's just got a
road rash right over his face. So but he said

(15:41):
he thinks he's going to heal in time to do
his book tour. So anyway, that's just a little aside.
I saw that this morning. Well, as you know, I
think you know this that I had started the Dead
Scientists list a few years ago, and it was I
took no pleasure and doing it and going back historically,

(16:03):
but there is a historical pattern of this and I
started to aggregate the list based off of UFO, you know,
fringe science that these scientists have been working on. So
I have had that out there for a while for
people to use as a as a sheet to draw

(16:25):
off of for their own research. But now with this
rash of new people who have been gone missing or
died violently. The last two scientists were shot in their home,
the MIT scientists and the guy in California, I haven't
started looking into their actual science and see if there
was a tie in. I did start with Nuno the

(16:47):
MIT scientists, to see if his plaza plasma science was
it all related to UFOs or if there was a
tie in. I hadn't found anything yet, but just the
just the frequency at which we're losing these high level
scientists is astonishing and concerning.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It is. And do you think, though, that the UFO
story is big enough to have these people offed by
some black project out of a movie.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think it depends. I think it depends on their
specific specificity and to see what you know going looking
in their work. It takes time to research, but I
certainly think it's warranted to track all these individuals and
see who they knew with mccaslin's partner there, that is

(17:44):
obviously way too close. Now there's been theories that people
have put out about McCasland. Obviously you already commented on
the fact that Luke came out and said he doesn't
think it's related to UFOs and he would be really
surprised if his disappearance was related to UFOs. But other
people have said and been on the record. I saw

(18:07):
Jason Sands made a comment about it, and he said that,
you know, in the legacy programs, they actually have a
protocol for you know, like witness protection kind of protocol
to take people who are in the legacy programs and
keep them safe if there is some reason too. Now

(18:29):
he was connecting that to the president, you know, declassifying
the UFO files, and that this would be a reason why.
And then he also said he thought this is Jason's
just his take that McCaslin is probably just fine holding
up a friend somewhere. I think it's interesting that he
didn't take his glasses. Anybody who's blonde like me, you

(18:51):
always have your glasses nearby or you have your contacts on.
So I thought that was one of the most suspicious
things of all.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't know. I really don't know. You know, at
first when this started coming out, I really really thought, now,
this has nothing to do with it, nothing to do
with it. But what started triggering my journalistic mind, okay,
was when I found out that his assistant went missing

(19:24):
in January or party in June of last year.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And he was very much involved through the WEEKI leak's
emails coming out. He was very much involved with Tom
DeLong and the transition to establishing TTSA, and he was
the general we had all heard about the general for years.
That brought Tom DeLong into that loop with all those

(19:49):
other generals and individuals, and then he was connected to
lu ALSANDU through that group of generals. He was always
talking about his generals. Well, McCaslin was one of the generals.
And we know that because when the Wiki League's files
came out, Neil McCaslin was in the emails. And so
you see also Tom DeLong in the emails saying he's

(20:11):
saying that he's a skeptic. He's not. He knows very well.
And he also was in charge of the Right Pat
the right Pat stuff, and was connected to UFOs so
that is also very suspicious that he was so deeply
connected to Tom DeLong and TTSA and then the Alien

(20:31):
files are going to be released or the UFO files
and then he goes missing. So there's these connections that
make you wonder, do.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
You think there's going to be more or now that
this is starting to gain public knowledge and people are
paying attention, that all of a sudden these kind of shenanigans,
if they are shenanigans, will stop.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
No, I think we might see more. And I also
think we're seeing if you look at the way the
news feedes are happening, not only have we had these disappearances,
we've also had hoaxes. Have you noticed the increase and
all the different reporting about the hoaxes like the Travis
Walton case. His buddy who just passed away here recently

(21:18):
said that it was all a hoax that he was
involved in. There's been other cases that are quickly becoming
newsworthy as hoaxes. So I think that these two different
things that are on the rise are kind of connected
with the release of the UFO fives.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
And let's not forget the Patterson Gimmelin film in the
Bigfoot World. Now, a lot of people may not see
a tether between Sasquatch and UFOs, but you're looking at
a fifty nine year old film that in a documentary
right now being played at south By Southwest is claiming
that it's been a hoax all this time, right, So I.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Think we're going to see more of that. I think
we're going to see more people experts coming out or
people historically being involved with it saying these certain cases
or hoaxes. Now, that might be a good thing because
it might be sifting out some of these things that
are not credible and preparing for the credible or you know,

(22:17):
the incredible with the release of the UFO file. So
that might just be a sifting and sorting process that's happening.
But I think that if there are more disappearances, they
will be connected to the Legacy program. And that's probably why,
and that's one of the things that I talked about
at the conference is why we know that these contractors

(22:37):
have their own special forces, they have their own security groups,
and so you know, it could be connected to them
trying to manage the criminal activity that's been happening.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
What are signs that we should look for to see
if any more of these scientists all of a sudden, Well.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
There is historically there have been historical cases of military witnesses, scientists,
government level people. I mean, it goes all the way
back to the Missing plates, all the way back to
the Astronomical Scie Society up in New England where there
have been cover ups and scientists been involved. So I

(23:23):
think that you need to look historically a little bit
at what has happened in the past with scientists, and
it is a pattern that certain research shows have tracked,
and so I think you need to look for what
kind of science they're doing, if they're related to the military,
what branch of the military, you have to look at

(23:43):
the kind of work that they're doing. Anything on anti gravity.
I know a lot of people are criticized criticizing the
name anti gravity, but that is definitely where I would
be looking for, you know, looking for a historical people
who have done work on those lines in antigraph.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I find that extremely interesting. Either way, it's a story now.
You know, if it was one, maybe two, you could
you could slough it off. But we're getting to a
point now where you can't. It's just there's too much
going on. Right now, Courtney in order to say this
isn't something, because it is something. Courtney Marcusani is here

(24:27):
when we return. Is being a UFO whitstleblower dangerous? We're
gonna find out from Courtney and the information that she
has gathered about this incredible topic. Next, All right, we're clear,

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in the audience, the Hall of Famer, Little Jimmy Goodall.
We love you, buddy.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh here is a good dancer too, Is that true?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
It is very true. He will he will shred the
dance floor with you. I've seen it happen.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Maybe at the next s R fan party.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh yeah, you gotta be careful of Uncle Jimmy. He
he will cut a rug, jam j How you doing?
All right? Let's see here? Who else is here? Science Bob,
thank you for the pair of super chats tonight. I
love you, buddy. I already miss you. Bm R, thank you,
Von Patrick and Kitty Caddywag thank you very much as well.

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Let's see am I missing anybody here? Both r M
welcome to our chat and I think I'm almost caught up.
There we go, there we go. Now we are hate
being behind. I hate being behind. Be Alza Brad has

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a devil put aside for me, for me, for me,
love that name, be Alza Brad. Be Alze Brad has
good hair too. If you go to his Instagram, see
he's got like long rock star hair.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Did you like my joke about being compared to Leslie
Keene and Steve Bassett and if they had a child.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh yeah, Oh yeah. You gotta you gotta say that.
You gotta say that again, say it in full.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah. He was like, I'm gonna it's gonna take a
while for me to get over that.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
OnlyFans Marco welcome says, don't forget mel WD forty. He
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Shaman code Welcome to sor Chat. Happy birthday to Rock

(27:27):
and Rory. I don't know where you are. I don't
think Rock and Rory's in the chat room, Dave. I
heard you had a photo to release as well. What photo?
I don't recall a photo. Do I have a photo?
Remind me? Mike, Well, by the way, whistling Mike actually

(27:50):
made an hour appearance on Saturday at UFO con in
a one hour interview with Lori and Fenton, and they
were great. One of you was released on your Oh
that photo? Hold on, let me see if I can
find it here? Um, let me see if I can

(28:11):
find it here? Where is it here? Oh? Where is it?
Why is it not here? I think it's what I
was tagged in. Hold on, let me find Paul Heineck here?
Is that the one you're talking about? The Paul Heinick one.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I didn't know Paul Heinik was doing was into DMT
and that was his subject matter for the conference. I
learned that about him, that he's a d MT. He
does DMT groups down at his south house in southern California.
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Here's the picture that Paul Heinich put up on me.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, that's just embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
That is awesome. That is awesome. Paul Heinick is the
most not funny man in ufology. He thinks he's funny,
but he is really not. He's not funny whatsoever. Here's
the photo and every time we speak we take these
shots at each other. Oh, Paul Heinick, I love you, buddy,

(29:27):
absolutely love you, Grant Baker, how you doing, how's your
leg give us an update? Happy birthday to you, Rock
and Rory. Happy birthday to you, Rock and Rory. Happy birthday,
Rock and Rory. Happy birthday to you. Good job Rory,

(29:49):
Hope you have a great one. No, the mysterious Lady
did not show up this year. Did not show up.
She got talked.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
About, We get talked about a couple of times. I
was there and I get to see the location where
she walked.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Thank you Erica Stovert for adding to the super chat. Hey,
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Here we go, Courtney Marcusoni hanging on out with us

(31:25):
as we are going to get into whistleblowers here, because Courtney,
you had some very impactful words when it came to
the safety of whistleblowers. Are they in danger if these
people come out and talk about UFOs?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes, yes, obviously, hands down. Yes. Why track the history
through all the way back to the first hearing and
you know, played the clip from where David Grush is
saying he yes, yes, he was intimidated, harassed, He knows
people who have been murdered. I included quotes when he

(32:03):
talks about the forty people that he witnessed or interviewed,
like ten to fourteen people were worried about what works,
which is murder and it is a issue of deep
concern for the whistleblowers. And Matthew Brown has talked about
his house being broken into, his grandfather's ashes being brought

(32:26):
out on the table, his wife's IDs, all her information
being brought out to the table as a threat. So yes, yes,
definitely they're in danger. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
What would cause that, what would cause cause?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
What would cause threats? Intimidation, harassment, blackmail, extortion. I think
that it's been part of the huge effort with all
the congressional information, all the whistleblowers talking about what they
have witnessed, and if it has anything to do with

(33:07):
the legacy programs, it typically comes down to the elect
the illegality in the legacy programs, which means the long
running programs that have moved outside of Congress, they're being
managed and controlled by contractors. And then contractors in this
process have made it so that these programs, through SAPs

(33:29):
or unacknowledged waves, whatever bigot lists, they've made it virtually
impossible to get Foyer records on these programs. It's all
been set up that way so people who try to
foia different programs cannot get the information out, and it's
set up that way. David Grush had testified to the
fact that Irad moneies were being misspent and potentially misappropriated

(33:53):
in some things making it illegal. That was during the
first hearing. So there's there are reasons why it becomes
dangerous when whistleblowers are reporting fraud, waste, and abuse at
five times the level of an audit, a federal audit.
So it goes into the types of things they're reporting,

(34:15):
how dangerous those things are. David Gush testified to the
fact that there were back engineered craft and biologics, and
that's those are two of the probably most dangerous things
he could have testified to.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now, when David Grush came out, let's start with him
for a moment here, we knew that immediately there would
be some sort of retribution, and that was somebody from
the inside allegedly leaking his medical files to independent journalist
Ken Klippenstein, who wrote a scathing article about his PTSD

(34:54):
through the Intercept. The Intercept ended up cutting their contract
with Klippenstein because because of this article. And you know,
the one thing in journalism that we were always taught
was that you'd never ever go after somebody's health records
unless it leads to a major crime. You never ever

(35:17):
go after somebody's health records. And yet this is what
we saw here.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
It was doubly insidious because he is a veteran, a
combat veteran. He served as the UAPA tax Force like
liaison to get you know, get people working, you know,
across multiple intelligence agencies, getting information, doing investigations. So he's

(35:45):
the high level guy. I mean, he's one of the
highest level people that we have working on this issue.
But I think what made it mostly doubly insidious is
that he was a veteran. And so when you see
veterans come out on any kind of news or media,
it's always shining a light on them and in a
positive way, their their history, their service, their patriotism. So

(36:11):
they took the Intercept took this completely opposite approach, which
was to tarnish him, to smear him.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
To.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Basically out his PTSD diagnosis. And so we you, me
and Bob actually had had a heads up on this
because we were in a group together and Ross coltheart
talked about this before the Intercept ran the article, so
we had a chance to do some like advocacy. So

(36:42):
I had I was working for UAP Medical Coalition at
the time, and we decided as an emergency to write
up a whole press release about this and then that
press release got attention and I ended up speaking with
Timberchett's senior policy advisor and going in and talking to him,
and they actually did an investigation. Afterwards, they let me

(37:07):
read the letter and what was sent to the ICIG
because they were following up on all this, and we
also gave him a little bit of information of where
we believe the leak came out of.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Are you able to say where the leak came from?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Well, at the time, we thought it was from the
DoD Security Office, right.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Do you think then? Okay, if you look at that,
you know where they were going to all tactics. I mean,
we even heard stories like with David Grush, and this
is whether or not you believe Grush. Okay, that's not
really the issue here. The issue is, you know, he
allegedly had threats to his family, his wife, her career,

(37:52):
even their dogs got threatened, you know. I mean, this
is getting a little bit you know, scary when they
start going after you like that. And then we heard
it from Jason Sands, We've heard it from from Michael Herrera,
We've heard it from Matthew Brown and many others who
have been threatened by going public.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Right, So I think the answer is, yes, it is dangerous.
It depends on where you were, what you're reporting, how
dangerous the information is that you're going to report, what
the consequences are for reporting. And I think most recently,
the most discouraging thing of all, even with everything we've
already just mentioned and brushed by, the biggest thing that's

(38:37):
happened recently is the Matthew Brown did a recent interview
where he talked about this new whistleblower protection initiative that
was being set up by Tulca Gabbard and you and
I we didn't talk about this at the conference, so
this might be new to you because it just aired
right before the conference, but I'll bring you up to speed.

(38:59):
So they had reached out to George Knapp and Jeremy
Corbel to bring whistleblowers in that they knew, to have
them step forward and get involved with this new whistleblower
protection initiative that was under the DIG. Okay, the d
IG is just an acronym for a program that totally

(39:20):
but Gabbard stood up, so they asked them to come
in report help them move forward with whistleblower protections. The
long and the short of it is that when Matthew
Brown went in, they took some information he met outside
of Tyson's corners at an intelligence agency. They were saying

(39:43):
that he could potentially have to go into a SKIP
to report this information, and then he did, and then
they took information from him. He was very cautious and
very careful. They didn't ask him to sign in DA.
They were more concerned about how he found the information,
had access to the information that he found. And then

(40:05):
after all the interviews and everything were over, they also
he said, I just I don't want to miss this.
This is one of the most important things because we're
talking about whistleblower protections. He said they wanted him to
come through as a whistleblower with the ICIG and so
he said no to that because he didn't see any

(40:26):
advantage to it. And you know how I broke that
down in the conference. It's a larger talk, but there's
no protections really at all. They say there are protections
built into the whistleblower law, but we've seen that there
are none. It's largely as administrative. They're not actionable, and
people are still being harmed or threatened to be harmed.

(40:47):
So Matthew Brown left that meeting, and then he found
out through Jeremy Corbel that they the person that took
the interview with Matthew Brown just slandered him, said that
he was a racist, tried to ruin his reputation with Jeremy,
and the whole thing was basically set up. So that's
the latest thing that has happened and is supposed to

(41:10):
be being led by thena od and I, the Office
of the Director of National Intelligence. So it's even worse.
It's gotten even worse.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
The idea that they want to, you know, shatter these people. Okay,
let's say that they do. Okay, because you know, we
do have to work in hypotheticals with this, right, Okay,
Let's say they want to shatter these people's reputations. What
are they afraid of of shattering? Here? Like, what is
the story that they are afraid of? Because a lot

(41:47):
of these people just had encounters or experiences unless they
said something much differently like David Grush did in a
skiff where they named names, they named places, locations and
everything juicy that we want to hear in the public.
But for somebody, let's say like Dylan Borland, who went

(42:08):
outside on his shift in an Air Force base having
a cigarette, sees a black triangle, reports it in.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
That gets even more complex with his case because if
you look at when he saw the object covering over
the entrance, the triangle right. Oh, sorry, my life just
turned off because I raised my hand. Anyway, I'll get
a little bit more lighting. He actually came to work
later in a SAP, but he was already a witness

(42:38):
to something at a base. So his case gets a
little more convoluted because over the course of his working
in the military and then for a contractor, he had
some overlap between being a witness and then going into
an actual special access program later. That's a hard one

(43:00):
for me to answer. Try another one.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, okay, but take okay, take Whistling Mike's story. Whistling
Mike former guest and for people who are not on
the radio, you'll see him in our YouTube chat room
hanging on out with us. I mean, this is somebody
who gave his testimony and he's wondering where it's going
to go. How, you know, where where did he go

(43:23):
wrong in mentioning what he saw?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Well, as I understand it, he might have actual American tech,
which is would be a huge no no because if
especially if it's an advanced kind of technology, that would
be a huge breach. Right. In addition to that, I
also think and he can correct me if I'm wrong
in the in the chat here, but from what I understand,

(43:48):
he wanted to kind of back away from what he
was seeing with reporting in this gift with the Congress
stuff because of eminent domain and he wanted to pull
back from moving forward and all the hanky pink that
was going on because if you APDA did pass with
the eminent domain clause, they might be able to take

(44:08):
his tech back away from him and his dad. So
that would be the that would be the concern with
his case. I would think from his perspective.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I can understand that. I guess where I'm trying to
go with this question, Courtney, is are they afraid that
these people who have NDA's are going to go publicly
and say something?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Is that the fear, Yes, there's fears of leaks, and
there have been leaks, so they're afraid of leaks and
you know, information coming out about programs that are not public.
So yes, that's the number one. Also, national security, we've
heard that over and over and over again. There's also

(44:56):
the threat aspect in this narrative that we keep hearing
from the leadership in the UAP advocacy efforts, so that's
another part of it. So it's nuanced. There's a lot
of different reasons why they don't want people to give testimony,
but I think there is a big push for whistleblowers

(45:17):
too give the testimony, so it's kind of working at
cross purposes because they want whistleblowers to say what they know.
With the same time, there are protections supposed to be
built in, like the skiffs, so it's done confidentially because
of Title ten and Title fifty and those different types
of classification, which makes it impossible for a whistleblower to

(45:37):
tell Congress and an open hearing, so it all has
to be done privately. And we saw through the first
hearing that Timberschet said that they couldn't even get David
Grush in a skiff for a while afterwards. That's why
the Inspector General Manheim had to come in and give
information for Grush because Grush didn't have his clearance back

(46:00):
if I'm tracking that correctly. So I think it's a
number of issues.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
What's the difference between what the US military whistleblowers are
going through compared to what's happening to these scientists. Is
there any sort of of tie in between these scientists
who are missing or having their life ended, or is
there any difference between the two.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I think there are differences between the two. I think
the military individuals who are have bravely stepped forward, have
a huge part of service as their identity and patriotism
as their identity. And I'm sure scientists are also patriots
and work for America and do you know, do their

(46:51):
work to give us advantages. But the military specifically, I
think that is harder for those individuals who have a
huge part of their identity built in to service, patriotism, loyalty.
So when when those institutions that they work for, whether
it's going into contract status after having been in the military,

(47:15):
but it's closely connected, as you've seen with many people
who have gone from military to contractor status, I think
that they feel betrayed, betrayed when they have information where
they see something in a program and they want to
report it. I think that that's a huge difference, whereas
with the scientist, what we've heard about the scientists that

(47:36):
they can go also into a very much like a
private confidential program and work on that science. And then
one of the issues, especially Amy Eskridge brought up is
with NASA is they'll put these top leading edge scientists
on a project, allow them to develop a prototype, and
that prototype might even work, and then they'll put it

(47:58):
on the scrap heap and they'll put the scientist on
another project. So it depends on the science, depends on
the scientist, it depends on where they're working. It's hard
to protect how they feel or how they have been
able to progress or mature their science totally depending on
where they are.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Working.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Getting back to Timbershett, a week ago, he was on
with Matt Gates on Oaan Network and he was basically
saying that he told President Trump that the presidents are
not or on a need to know basis regarding UFOs,
and the President allegedly said, he goes, what does that mean.

(48:40):
Burshett replied, they're completely arrogant. They don't think you should
have that information. Burshett then went on to say about
UFO whistle blowers, they are afraid of being murdered because
of things they've seen. And NASA told him that they
have classified files that they're not allowed to share with
the public. What's your thoughts on this?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, but I thought I saw an additional piece of
that that NASA is saying that they would release some
of the things that they have if they were required to.
Wasn't that like an additional carve out there? And that.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I haven't heard that portion yet?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Okay, I thought I saw that. I'll have to go
back and back track on it, but I thought it
answered what you've been saying the whole time, and I
was kind of glad to see it that NASA came
out on the record about that and said, yeah, we
have stuff, but we can't share it. Weren't you weren't you? Like, yes,
I feel vindicated.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Well, I basically will never give NASA any credit until
they actually until they actually do something about it, because
I think they're the biggest liars and hoaxers in this
entire UFO world. But that's just me.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I thought it was at least good that they did
a confirmation that they have information and that they could
if they I don't want to say sanctions because it's
not like sanctions, but they got approval. They would release
it if required. I thought that was good.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Well, I mean, hey, if they're willing to finally admit
that they do have things that we know they have
but they don't want to admit that they have, then
let's go for it. Let's rock and roll. I'll be
all for that. I'm not going to give them the
yahbts on that, but I mean, prove it, prove it exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
At least they said, yes, we have information. We've been
asked or blocked in releasing it in the past, so
I think that was a step forward.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
We got three and a half minutes to go before
we have to go to break. At the top of
the hour, Courtney Marcusani is our guest. The dangers of
being a whistleblower. If you were a whistleblower or a
potential whistleblower, you were thinking about it, Courtney, would you
go public?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I wouldn't. If I had a family, I would not.
Matthew Brown said that. He said, I don't know how
people with families live, if they have to survive and
support their family, I don't know how they're or whistleblower.
And I think that's absolutely accurate. It's difficult.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I guess the big loss in it. I mean, we
think about the financial laws. You lose your clearance, you
lose your credibility, you lose everything. But isn't this what
Arrow wanted to do. Isn't this what they asked for
was people coming out telling them stories.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, they did. But the way that they handled it
and how they just missed cases, how they took all
of the information that whistleblowers came, put it on the
back end of the Arrow database and then went through
all of the fine toothed parts of the investigation, and
how these people aren't credible, that was not done in

(51:59):
good faith. They took down all the files, all the
documents and everything off their website. So yeah, they just
they say that they we don't have any back engineercraft
and nobody's They routinely say this. But the way that
they have treated the people who have reported is the problem.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
So if somebody like yourself, knowing what you know, would
not become a whistleblower. Are there discussions going on behind
the scenes, maybe on discord or signal or email trains
that these guys or potential whistleblowers are talking about.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
You know, Yeah, there happened the whole time. There was
a special whistle blower group just with DC people with
DC people, and that was established a long time ago.
And so there's the DC group and then there's these
splinter groups with the new guys that have come out.
So yeah, they're constantly in groups and they have even

(53:00):
come into other wider discord groups to be available. So yeah,
I think they help one another. I think you've heard
that from Dylan and Matthew that they've had mentors, people
have helped them. They're not helping other people. They're talking
about that. They're also Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland are
also starting like an NGO style whistleblower organization because one

(53:27):
of the things that Matthew Brown said in that interview
is like the executive branch is corrupted and the only
thing we have left is judicial, the judicial branch. So
they're going to go towards law as a way to
elevate and make their efforts visible with the law. So
we'll have to pay attention and see what happens with

(53:49):
that and GEO like organization, they're they're standing.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Up when we get back from the break at the
top of the hour, I want to get in to
Arrow with you, because we've heard these calls before from politicians,
from congressional people, and even the UFO community that Arrow

(54:13):
the all domain What the hell is it? All domain
anomaly research Anomaly research organization. I always want to say
something else, aeronautical. I don't know why I do, but
I always know it's.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
All domain anomaly. Yeah, are anomalous. I'll look it up.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Anyways, there's a lot of people calling once again for
this group to be disbanded. Okay, they're they're calling for
for the end of this group. They don't want it.
They think they're crooked, and we got to get into
that with Courtney Marcasani. Next on spaced Out Radio, it's
all UFOs tonight, spaced out right here like Hopes Dame Scott.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, it's all Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Yes, I'm just
on the website.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, perfect.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Aarrow. My daughter had that as her like secret word.
She had this journal and it had like a little key,
but it was also electronic and her special word was
the arrow. But she said it like arrow, so it
wouldn't let her in, so she just kept going arrow.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Heo, he all right, Cody, I'm gonna I'm gonna put
you in the background for a couple of minutes. I'll
be right back. Okay, yeah, all right, we'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Everybody usha.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
Us.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
All right, I am back. It's just under two minutes here,
take off the caribou gan. Let's bring Courtney back. All right,
there we go. Get you done. Mute court or did
I mute? Oh? No, you muted yourself. Very cool?

Speaker 4 (59:52):
All right?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Uh Courtney? The painting of behind you? Is that done
by Busick.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I'll have to go over and look. I am at
a hotel, so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Dave is not in the restroom or getting a snack.
Dave went out to check out the windstorm that is
going on here. So if all of a sudden the
show goes black, it's because my power went out. But
so far, so good for your mind. How you doing.
Nice to see you. Anybody else jump in here. I

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think we're good.

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
I'll see if this is appousick. Oh, it doesn't say,
it doesn't say. I can't tell it. I can't verify,
damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
But it's beautiful. I'll try to get close.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Can you see it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Very nice?

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
The golden gate?

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It's the password, each and every night right here on
spaced Out Radio. Let's bring in Courtney Marcussoni. Now, Courtney,
we're going to discuss ARROW. For people who don't know
what ARROW is. The All Domain Anomaly Research Office is
a US Department of Defense office established at twenty twenty
two to investigate and analyze unidentified aerial phenomena or anomalist phenomena,

(01:02:46):
whatever term you want to use, otherwise known as UAP
objects or events observed in the air space or underwater
that cannot be immediately explained. It replaces other task forces.
Ero's mission is to detect, identify, and mitigate potential threats
to national security, particularly those involving advance were unknown technologies.

(01:03:08):
Yet there are people out there who say that AEROW
is not being very forthright, and both Tim Bershett and
Anna Paulina Luna Congress, people who are in the conspiracy club,
they literally want it disbanded. What's your thoughts on all
this going on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Well, I'm conflicted because AERO was set up to obviously,
like you said, take over the UAP task Force, and
that first effort that was put forth, so they migrated
over to Aerow and everybody had high hopes for Arrow
at first, especially because Sean Kilpatrick had great history technical

(01:03:52):
knowledge and they thought that he would drive forward and
elevate it and make it more investigates, investigations, toy and
make it better. But they've consistently said there are no
back engineered craft, no alien bodies, no evidence of that
at all. And David Grush didn't even go and meet

(01:04:14):
with Arrow, and we saw those emails and signal chats
come out from Chris Mellen trying to work essentially as
a liaison between Sean Kirkpatrick and David Grush. So there
was something wrong right from the beginning when David Grush

(01:04:34):
obviously didn't feel like he could follow through with those meetings.
So that was I think the first indication that something
was wrong with ERO. And additionally, they have put out
their first report. They need to put out a second.
This is eight months overdue. Now there's no excuse. So

(01:04:57):
I'm conflicted because we're paying for it, The taxpayers are
paying for this, and it is supposed to be taking
all these reports in. Chris Mellon said, over eighteen hundred
military reports have gone to Arrow, and so I'm conflicted.
I'm conflicted about it because I want us to get

(01:05:19):
our money's worth and not lose a potential resource for
UFO reporting to the government for them to investigate it
and give us reports back. But I understand why Luna
is saying this should definitively, definitively be dismantled. And the
reason why she's saying that is because she's seeing stuff

(01:05:40):
in the task Force that we haven't seen. She's been
going around briefing other members of Congress showing them what
they have seen in the Task Force and the Secrets
task Force. So on those grounds, she has probably more
reason to feel that way for us to defund ERROW.
But like I said, canted about losing an actual office

(01:06:02):
that was set up for UFO reporting. That would be
a big loss. Even though people don't like EROW.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Well, let's go through it. I mean, we had ASAP,
we had a TIP, we had om SAG or whatever
it was. We've had UAPTF, We've had a number of
these groups that you know, were predecessors to to EROW,
and then when Arrow came out, it really seemed that

(01:06:30):
everything was a either a barking dog flying through the sky,
a cow jumping over the moon, or a balloon. I mean,
it just seemed that it was nothing that we really wanted.
And I'm not saying that all of that wasn't true,
but it really seemed that they were, you know, under
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, that they were kind of secretive, almost

(01:06:51):
a little bit standoffish regarding the topic. I mean, Kirkpatrick
didn't do himself very many favors with his with his
you know, leadership style. I mean, let's let's go back
to when him and Brandon Fugel, owner of Skinwalker Ranch,
had a little bit of a tiff publicly saying that,

(01:07:13):
you know, Kirkpatrick was saying that he never met with
people from Skinwalker Ranch. And yet there was a photo
produced by Feugel that definitely shows a presentation being made
and Kirkpatrick in the office when it was happening, so
we know that things were going on.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Oh and let's not also forget that Matthew Brown has
testified to the fact that he saw a transcript, a
written transcript between Sean Kirkpatrick and Marco Rubio and Senator
Jillibrand and somebody else is in there talking about you know,

(01:07:53):
legacy program aspect involvement. And part of the job for
AERO was that the director had to have no legacy
knowledge of legacy program or any involvement. And right in
the transcript transcript there's a mention of it and Rubio
is saying, what the heck is being done about this?

(01:08:14):
And so Matthew Brown not only saw the secret Wargames
document discovered immaculate constellation, but he also saw that very
important transcript that shows that Kirkpatrick did have knowledge or
involvement with a potential legacy program. So it just goes

(01:08:35):
to show you a little bit of corruption that has
been involved or covered up, that part of it was
covered up, which is a conflict of interest. Right, that's
essentially what that would be to have knowledge of that
and then be the director of AERO. If that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
For our listeners who may not understand, explain what you
mean by the legacy programs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
This is the eighty year long cover up that nobody
who is a skeptic beliefs is true. But the people
who have said that they have encountered it are Lou Alizondo,
J Stratton. JA Stratton was the head of the UAP
task for So that's a very important person coming out
and saying a legacy program exists. There are other individuals

(01:09:21):
who are like Matthew Brown, are saying that he's seen
evidence like the transcript that shows their legacy programs. And
these are essentially the programs that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Have been.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Outside of congressional oversight going back eighty years. So science
technology contractors that have been essentially compartmentalizing these different programs
and using IRAD money, research and development money from the government,
taking that money and putting it into their contracts that

(01:09:56):
they have established with the government. And then in that process,
that's where the legacy programs are being funded, and that
means back engineered crafts and you know these various other
science and technology programs that are very advanced, and that's
how they've been able to hide it. So that's the sketch.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Okay, So with these leglacy programs, has it ever come
out who's running these programs? Who's actually in the know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
It's the contractors, and they're called the military industrial complex
like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumming, Boeing, there's other companies that
have been listed Bell and you have to go and
do the work and research into looking at like for example,

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Boeing developed Phantom Works and that would supposedly be like
a high level ARV that came out from there Lockheed's
skunk works. Tom DeLong talked about meeting the guy within
Lockheed's skunk works. We know Ben Rich in the past
said that we've developed this technology and we can send

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et home. So these are the various contractors, and there's
a deeper bench of them. Those are the top ones
that are always discussed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I like this question right here from Super Crazy. If
you were a billionaire Courtney with knowledge of legacy programs,
would you consider becoming a whistleblower.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I was a billionaire with knowledge of legacy programs. As
I said before, I think it really would depend more
on the safety of the people that I love. I've
been through this before recently, where I've had knowledge of
something that was deeply illegal corrupt, and I actually chose
to speak about it and air it out in public,

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but it wasn't without a large boomerang effect that came
back on me. I have actually faced some intimidation, harassment,
and threat for that reason, but I probably wouldn't if
I had met my family was going to be affected.
That's a real thing. And I think that in new
whistleblower protections they should include the families of the whistleblowers

(01:12:18):
in those protections. That's one of the things I would recommend,
and the adoption of new whistleblower protections protect the families.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Well, this also sidebars into the idea that Mark Christopher Lee,
the UK documentarian, his source was allegedly Robert Bigelow, the
Nevada billionaire who who seems to be a little bit
upset that his name got brought out on this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Christopher Mark Lee was at Cann's last year at the
Film Festival, debuting his film Aliens Versus God, and he
said that one of his sources on this big speech
that Trump is writing for July ninth, that he met
this individual a can they were talking about his film.

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This is somebody that everybody would know, very high level,
and so he had heard from this individual that it's
going to be a speech and disclosure and so he
took a lot of golf for this and then finally
he named he didn't name, but his interviewer named Robert Bigelow.

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And so the reason why he named it is because
he had this conversation with a woman who knows Bigelow,
and it was very similar. The story was very similar,
and she gave this interview host screenshots that say from
Robert Bigelow, I've talked with the President. I'm advising for
a soft disclosure. So he brought that out to Christopher

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Mark Lee. He saw it and was like, that's amazing.
He didn't confirm it was Bigelow, but at the end
of the interview he said, you may be right about that.
Also had another source, somebody who came out of the
Hill in DC and said pretty much the exact same
thing and gave him all this information then ghosted him
when he went public with the fact that he had

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been told by two sources that the speech was being
prepared for July ninth, which is the anniversary of Roswell Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
It will be July eighth. Yes, So I guess what
I'm saying is when we look at say Robert Bigelow
or Brandon Fugel for that matter, they're quirky. They are
quirky and what they want to know, they are quirky
about what they let out, what they don't let out.

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I mean, you have to think that in order to
do what they do, there has to be some very
very deep secrets that they know that they just can't
be public about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Yeah. Absolutely, and I'm sure they've had to sign their own.
Remember Brandon Frugel went to DC. Remember he's he's being
photographed at the table with all these science and tech
individuals talking about skin rock or ranch and they caught
Sean Kirkpatrick on the one photo because Sean Kirkpatrick said

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he was never involved with that program, never met anybody,
and they released the photo of him being in the
room with them, and he didn't look too happy about
it either. But if you're a billionaire and you have
that freedom, I still think that they could potentially put
themselves in harm's way. So my answer would remain the same,

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And I think that sometimes they do have to keep
things secret. I think Bob Bigelow is probably one of
the most forward thinking and one of the most open,
and even though he shields what he says, kind of
parable like like they're here with us or already here.
I think he's the one that's gone out the most
on the limb. I haven't really seen Brandon Frugill go

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out that far on the limb, although he does he
is a truth teller. I will say that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
So, getting back to Arrow, as we had about eight
minutes ago, Courtney Marcusani is our guest tonight on Spaced
Out Radio. Do you see another group being formed? Do
you see them actually winning in the idea they being
Congress winning in the idea of shutting down Arrow and
restarting from scratch all over again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Yeah, I do think it's on the chopping blocks because
Luna is saying she wants it to go to DOGE,
and DOGE is the office that has been routinely and
systematically shutting down grants, programs, employees. I mean, they've laid
off so many federal workers underneath DOJE. It's come under fire,
you know, for the way in which it did it,

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and a couple of their younger staff have even had
to come into hearings and testify as their methods and
the way that they have released programs, people or grants.
But yeah, I think it could very well go away
because they're recommending it to under DOGE and we've already
seen them cut millions.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
What would you like to see instead of Arrow? If
Courtney Marcussani had to say, what would be in the
best public interest.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
This is not going to be popular that I am
going to say. Remember when I came on last year
at the end of the year and I talked about
the fact that they asked for a new case management system.
Remember I went through that and I talked about how
they have a liaison to the Counter Drone Group. Yes,
AARO does, so they're already very well positioned and established,

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and they asked for the new case management software. And
I saw somewhere that Tim Phillips said that the UFOs
weren't classified, but the case management system was, and how
they received their reports and do their analysis. So I
think in order to not have it be a complete loss,

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I think they should keep the Arrow office and use
it as a way to determine drones versus UAPs singularly,
like the like the Langley incident, like the drones over
New Jersey. I think they should use it just for
those kind of issues, because they already have a counter
drone liaison set up to that office. They already probably

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have the case management software that we paid the money for.
So I think it'll probably maybe not go away completely,
but it could be parlayed into like an Expertise office
to find out more about the drones.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
That would make sense, right, I think it would make
total sense because I mean, look, we still have to
be able to figure out what this whole drone incursion was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Right, and as you and I have been saying the
whole time, UAPs are drones, So might as well use
the moniker pay for it that way and use the
science and tech to develop situational awareness and safety in
our skies with the drone issue.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
That would be appropriate, It absolutely would, But it still
doesn't answer the UFO question. No, it's not about it,
and they.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Don't want to answer anyway. So why waste time and
money on administrative fees or to pay administration which is
usually your largest budget item to pay for administrators like
directors and things. Just use it for the drone issue.
If they don't want to talk about the UFOs, then
use it for that part of it and make it
real they're going to dismantle the Arrow Office anyway, Why

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would they dismantle all the things that we've paid for
in terms of its infrastructure for reporting to report about
the UAPs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Do you see them maybe taking any future type of
ARROW group? And you know Obviously we wouldn't know names
or anything like that at this time. But do you
see them maybe, you know, bringing in a bunch of
new faces once again, you know, like we saw with
with Sean Kirkpatrick and then his replacement.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
They don't need it. They had the FBI willing to
step in and take over, right, They had an FBI
UAP group. James Fowler has gone to the DoD and
has a contract with them. He was with Skywatcher. The
Skywatcher also might have had contact with Arrow or connection
to the DoD. So if these various groups and Sehn

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Kirkpatrick might be down in Oakridge doing his own UFO
study right or a science and tech thing, he left
under a new contract, having a new job, so they
might not need to establish a new Arrow like face
for UFOs. They might have just contracted it all out
to these various groups to do it for them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Well, that wouldn't be the first time something like that
has happened.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
No, it wouldn't. That's how the whole UFO program is
essentially set up. To think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
In the end, it comes down to where is the technology?
Are people are done with saying well, we have this
incredible amount of evidence, but do we see that actually
coming to fruition.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
The only thing we have seen of potential UFO technology
is during the Lakski years that hangar down in packs
River has been identified. Stenny Hoyer has been, you know,
named as one of the individuals in that district. Who
is that's his can get Congressional district over Pax River.

(01:21:45):
That there was supposed to be this transfer done, and
Lacassie talked about it, Lou talked about it. I'm sure
Jay Stratton is going to talk about it in his
book and project. So that's the closest that we've gotten.
And that was all overseen, possibly by Clapper. So he
has been named, and the person before him was Cheney.

(01:22:07):
He was named. So I think we've actually gotten quite
a bit of information on who was handling the crash retrievals.
That was Clapper and his sub person. I think her
name is Susan. I'll have to go and look, but
she's also been identified as somebody who was involved with

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crash retrievals. So that's pretty much out there now. All
that information about the lock key transfer to a tip
where it was located Packs River, who was oversight Stanny Hoyer,
the various people that are involved, and you also know
that Peter THEO was at that meeting supposedly with lou

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and the CIA and that whole group to do the
technology transfer there. So there was a number of parties
read and involved with it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
We have about a minute and a bit here to go,
probably a minute and a half or so to go.
When do you think ERRO will be disbanded? Is it
going to happen before the next hearings? Do you see
it happening soon or is there too much else going
on right now to even worry about it. Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
No, I think it would happen pretty soon. I mean,
there are parts of this that you know, because it
was set up and how it was set up through Congress,
there are parts of that that will have to be
resolved with Congress in order to end it. But I'm
sure that I'm pretty sure that they go through those
steps quickly. So yeah, I think it could happen relatively fast.

(01:23:43):
I think it'll depend on the timing of this speech.
I think it'll depend on the timing of the amount
of people in Congress that can get briefed on all
these various files and videos that have been in the
task force for the last six months or so. They're
going to have to get more people briefed on that,
and then as soon as they do and they get

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bipartisan support, they can get rid of it pretty quickly
if they want. Well, we'll have to see it's going
to be politics. It's political. It'll be political.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
It always is political, especially when it's really shouldn't be.
But this one will be no matter what. We want
to try, Courtney. When we return from the break here
at the bottom of the hour, we're going to get
into the preparation for potential disclosure. Do we see it happening?
What can we call it? As you know, President Donald

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Trump has issued his statement he wants the files out.
We've also seen aliens dot gov come up, and yeah,
it's going to be a website. What will be on it?
We'll ask Courtney next on spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
H you're listening to Space Down with your host Steve Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I'm trying not to laugh here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
How about the blue balls.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Steve Bassett holding the guests book a world record.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah, I've said that, like, we'll have to get disclosure
if nothing else, but Steve Bassett is finally vindicated that
we're going to have disclosure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Steve Bassett reminds me of a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
It's coming, that Stanley Cup is coming. This is our year,
this is the one. This is how it's gonna be.
I could feel it. All the fingers are pointing that way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Oh that's too funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Oh my god, that makes me laugh.
That may me laugh. I can see the cryptid guy
in the background, hanging on out. I tell you, any

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anytime Courtney, you get to interview someone who looks like this,
it's worth it. It is totally worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
That is my good friend Christian McLeod. No, he's not
sitting on a toilet seat as that photo was taken. No,
no best picture I ever took.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Right there, he's looking he's giving you the saideeyeh. Literally
he should be like the description photo for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He's laughing in the background. Shake it.
I hope, so, I hope. So that's my Paul heinick moment.
Susan Alla, way, how are you all right? I'm so

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excited to see you again in the fall.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
I know that's gonna be fun. We're gonna have a
really good time. I'm really looking forward to it too. Hey,
I saw you would p coming down here video a
green orb where with flashes. It was incredible and then
it faded out. It was very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Nice, Yeah, very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
It was right over the Presidio. The Presidio is here
in Monterey, and I came down to Monterey and stayed
in Monterey the first night. So yeah, it was wild.
And then I've had a bunch of really cool synchronicities.
I mean, it's it's been, it goes even beyond that.
I don't think it was the UFO causing it. I

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was already having the high vibes of the conference, so
it just kept going.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Excuse me, sorry about that, Sorry about that, Felipe. How
you doing. Nice to see you. Jeremy's going to the
Bruins and Stars game in Boston next week. That would
be a good game.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
To Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Mm hmm. Else we got entertainment extreme. How you doing, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
We have to tell everybody that you came accusing me
of having gas in my hotel room at night and
vibrating the wall with it, which is so crude of you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
I was keeping that quiet you're the one who just
brought it up. I had to out you Courtney and I.
Courtney and I had had rooms side by side, and
I'm get ready for bed, I'm taking my makeup off right,
and all of a sudden, from her bathroom, which is

(01:29:10):
adjacent to mine, through the thin wall, I hear her
break wind right through the walls.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
It was. It was the drain in the bathtub. I
couldn't sleep, so I was trying to take a bath
and draine was broken.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
You ripped ass twice, Courtney. I wasn't you ripped ass twice?

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
It was the bathroom draine.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Uh huh, sure sure. Science Bob was on the seventh
floor and he heard it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I swear to god it was the bathroom drain, and
I knew that you could hear me. That was the problem.
I was like trying to do it gently, and then
I dropped it once and it was so loud.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Oh my gosh, my gosh, that was hilarious. B Arthur
is here, b Arthur from the Paranormal Portal, Brent Thomas.
He'll be a caribou cause two looking good.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Bee.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Thank you tonight to Erica, Science Bob times too, Kitty
Katty Wag, Von Patrick and BMR for the super chats.
Don't forget if you haven't already, were trying to get
to eleven thumbs up. We only want eleven thumbs up tonight. No,
I'm kidding, we want one hundred. Help us get there,
high silent listen, Here we go. We are into the

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second half of spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is
Dave Scott. We appreciate you tuning us on in as
we bring in Courtney, Marcusstani and Courtney. We're gonna talk
some UFO disclosure here because ever since President Donald Trump
said he was going to release the files, we've had

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things in Iran heat up and all around the world
heat up. We've had numerous numerous things happen, including websites
claimed by the government, alien dot gov and aliens dot gov.
What do you think they're preparing for this? Is this
a ruse on the websites? Or do you think this

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is where they're actually going to move the information?

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
I thought they were totally making fun of us. I
thought it was just a just a you know, just
a funny thing, and that it was a joke. So
I don't know what to think now. Because you know,
many big, huge commentators are talking about this in the

(01:31:47):
national news about whether it's going to be an upload,
like a website for actual files. But I can't see
that happening because even Luna has said, Andoe Rogan she
said months ago that they were interdimensional. They're not actual
like extraterrestrial aliens. They're interdimensional. So right there, you have

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somebody from the task course that's been set up to
do analysis on what they can access, and she has
gotten i think Title ten and ten Title fifty clearance now,
so I look at her as one of the people
that can comment on this stuff. So I don't think
it's I don't think it's serious, So I don't take

(01:32:32):
it seriously, but I know a lot of other people are.
But I wouldn't waste a lot of time on it.
How about you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
I think that if they were going to be serious
about the disclosure projects and the files, I think they
would have come out with something a little bit more
professional than aliens dot gov or alien dot gov.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
I think they would put a UFO Research or US
Government UFO Research or something along those lines. They'll come
up with some acronym to use, but it is amazing though.
How they say we're going to get these files. They say,
we're going to get the information. It's all coming. We

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got to wait, you know, a typical you know, Christmas Eve,
at least sixty nights in a row of Christmas Eve
before we actually get something. You know, what do you
think is going to be released? What is Courtney Marcussani's
inside information saying about what may be released.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
I commented on this last time we talked, and I'm
going to stay with the same. I think we might
get some information about Roswell. You're already starting to see
people talking about Roswell in a new way. They're talking
about it like it might have been Nazi techno and
that that was what was secret about it and that

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it couldn't be discussed at the time because it was
advanced technology from a foreign entity. And so I think
that that could be real. I think that part of
it might be real. So we might actually see the
real story come out about it being historically an advanced craft,
but not et so I think that Roswell is going

(01:34:29):
to be a part of what's talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Do you think they focus on Roswell because Roswell is
kind of the bible of this all I do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
I think it's the genesis. It is literally the genesis
of the UFO story. Now we know that. In David
Gresha's testimony, he said that the Magenta craft goes back
to thirty three and that that was what was the
reason behind the USS being set up in the CIA,
and through you Eisenhower's initiatives to stand up the military

(01:35:06):
industrial complex. It all kind of flowed from flowed from
that first crash and Roswell too. Roswell was in forty seven.
So it's interesting because you can kind of thread the
needle and look at all the historical things that were
propped up around after Roswell or Corona crash. So I

(01:35:27):
think it will explain a lot. If they do. I
think people will be disappointed, surely, because they're going to
want to believe it was extraterrestrial. But that could be
one very mundane way or prosaic way of explaining it.
But then that also goes to how the Germans develop it.
Where do they get it the science tech. Will that

(01:35:51):
all be explained as prosaic or will it be related
to some other kind of gifting like we've heard about
from Eric Davis that certain countries were gifted technologies and
it was up to them to advance it, and we
were too.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Do you see a lot of the paperwork coming through
with information or you like me, where you think right
now might be a good time to buy stock in
sharpie pens because so much of it's going to be
blacked out and redacted.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I think it will be at the status quo that
it's all going to be pretty much redacted. But I
think that there are going to be from the Task
Force specifically. I think there are going to be some
new videos. We've heard about videos that they saw that
were life changing or shut Luna, who else was in there.

(01:36:48):
Moskowitz was in there. They had a briefing after Grush's
hearing where they had seen videos. We had heard this
from Matt Laslow, We had heard it from some other
podcasters and they said that they had ontological shock because
what they saw was not anything human or of this world.

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So I think we will get some of those videos
that they have seen because other Congress members are being briefed.
So I think it's going to be a mix of
videos and documentation and roswell. That's my guess when.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
You talk about these alleged videos that gave them onto
logical shock. To me, when I hear them say that,
my first inclination is, those are videos we're never going
to see. Those are videos we're never going to get
our hands on as humans, you know, about regular society.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
If Luna and Moskowitz and Burchette were able to see them,
and now they're talking about briefing other people in Congress
outside of their like caucus or task force group, what
are those people seeing the other people being briefed on
in Congress? What's your guess if it's not the videos
that they've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Well, I mean, look, I mean we heard forever about
the extended video of the tic TAC that never came out,
and everybody was in ontological shock about that. I'm just
saying that there is a pattern here of the BS,
shall we say politely.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Obstruction, Yeah, it's obstructionism. They're obstructing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Yeah. So I mean they could sit here and say that,
But whether or not we get it is a completely
different topic, you know. I mean, and what do those
videos incur? Do they show landings with beings coming out?
Do they are they just little more dots? In the sky,
or vehicles blanking out that you know, some people believe

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is our own technology.

Speaker 9 (01:38:57):
Anyways, things that we've seen already that have come out
from they'll be very similar to what we've already seen
come out, like the gimbal, like the tic TAC.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
That's my guess. They'll be very similar like what we
already have, and they'll be unexplainable. The skeptics will, like mcwest,
will come in and say, oh, that's a lens flair,
that's a balloon, or that's what he does. But other
people who are experts will say, there's no thermal exhaust,
There no possible way because the speeds they're going at.
I mean, some of our scientists like Kevin Kanuth have

(01:39:32):
gotten the actual speed down to a science. So we
have some of our best people looking into this. But
I think that we'll see new we'll see new renditions
of the old, newer, different conflicts, maybe nuclear over nuclear sites,

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that would be my guess.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
So when we all start to put this together, as
we look what to look forward to or what we
should be looking forward to, whether it's the disclosure movement,
whether it's arrow, whether it's safety of whistleblowers, where do
you think we see things going in the next little

(01:40:17):
bit here, Because in the end this is going to
be a story one way or another. But where where
does at one point there has to be a climax
of it this all? Are we almost there?

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
And yeah, I can tell you right now the UAPDA
is going under another round of revisions for whistleb or protections,
that is happening. It won't be put up for the
floor this year, but it will be for next year.
So there is a plan moving forward. You've heard Gary
Nolan say, okay, we feel with the UAPDA twice. Now

(01:40:51):
we need to go to Plan B. And Plan B
is academia, right, that's their Plan B strategy is to
get as many people in academia doing papers, doing classes
in colleges, and to doing research. So that's their Plan
B strategy. So we're obviously going to see more college classes,
more research studies, more science out of academia. And then

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I think three yes, I had heard there was from
Berlson's office going to be another hearing. There's another whistleblower
already talking to them, getting ready to come forward. And
Burlison said, we're going to have a hearing when the
time is right. I think what they're trying to do
in the meantime is get as many hands on deck
pushing and pushing. Since the President has come out and

(01:41:35):
said I'm going to have HEG SETH look into this
issue because of this interest and move this forward, so
I think in the meantime the hearing might get pushed
back while all hands on doc are going to try
to push for the disclosure of the files and the
task Force, I'm thinking it's not going to let them
off the hook because they have some things that they're

(01:41:55):
saying are undeniable.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Let's just hope that those things actually come out.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Yeah, I think they will, and I think the reason
why they will is because that group, that Task Force group,
has already been responsible for releasing like the Epstein documents.
So there's already been a precedent set of something that
was pretty much off limits, pretty much taboo, and that
got released. So UFOs is part of that special task force.

(01:42:26):
Remember it was JFK, it was UFOs, it was MK,
and Epstein was in there. So it's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Let's see if there's any audience questions here for you,
we have one. It's a little bit off topic, but
we'll go to it. Jose is asking, have you ever
heard of a UFO sighting where at one point it's
bright orange color dimmed and then it appeared to have
a tunnel going through it afterwards returning to its bright
orange ORB color.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Yes, that did happen. There was a very popular case
where they had a portal. I think it was in
skin Walker. It was in the skin Walker footage season one,
I believe, where they had a portal show up inside
an orb season one or season two. Yes, that has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Yeah, I recall that. Yeah, it's our lone question, our
okay question for right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
It was a fast paced, hard charging sr tonight. I
thought it was a good show, really good show.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Well, we still have ten minutes. We still have ten
minutes to go, okay, so let's go back to the
disclosure process here. I'm a little bit more negative than
you are.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
I know I've been through my negative. I'm coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
I'm very negative, very very negative about this because I
really do believe that the safest way for them to
get through this is by saying we have a signal,
We've found a signal.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Yes, I know that is your hypothesis. Yes, so my question,
I'm sorry it can't be ruled out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
That's where I think that we cannot go that deep
into this courtiny. We just can't because I believe that
deep down in that UFO Pandora's box at the Pentagon,
I do believe that there are names, and I'm not
saying just people in government. I'm saying everyday citizens that

(01:44:49):
they are tracking, that they know or having some incredible experiences.
You know, maybe you know for every everybody who whether
you believe Chris Bledsoe or don't believe Chris Bledsoe, there
are people, tons of people like Chris Bledsoe who can
summon in the UFOs at any time they want. They

(01:45:13):
have multiple contacts, they have multiple things going on at once.
Keyword on that. Samantha Moen okay, our psychic ET friend.
You'll meet her at Caribou Khan this year. And when
you meet her you think Michael Shratt blew your mind
this way, Wait till you sit with her and talk

(01:45:33):
about ET contact. From her point of.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
View, Michael Stratt is in a league of his own
with what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
That was.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Samantha Moa is in her own league and as high
of integrity as he is. That's going to be pretty
mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
It will be very mind blowing. And I think that
the government or governments of the world do have lists
of people.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
I have zero, Well they do. I'm going to say
something and I'm not going to name names, but I
am going to say something. Because it's been eating it's
been eating, you know, eating me. And we talked about
this at the conference. So one of the things that
was said a little while ago, and this is out
in the open, but it's kind of fringe, is that

(01:46:21):
the you know, during the Awset program that it was
very much part of that program of experience, our tracking
and families, that that was one of the things they did,
and they did a number of things, right, they started
a number of things. And we do know that com
Keller her came out with that paper about the hitchhiker

(01:46:43):
e fact and consulting with doctors on all of that.
So I do think there are lists of experiencers for
those reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
So wouldn't you believe then that there would be the
possibility if this list came out, there's a big possibility
of a lot of lawsuits, class action lawsuits that could
that could absolutely stun the entire government.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Well, what I heard this is a schedtle but totally
under the radar. But what I heard was that they
brought luel Azondo into that program to clean it up,
to clean up that part of it, the experience is
possibly unethical stuff that was being done with experiencers tracking,
you know, their families. I mean, so that's one of

(01:47:39):
the things that I heard. So if that is the case,
and he was the one to bring in those standards
and quality control issues around experiencers, then I don't think
those lists will come out, but.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
That would be full disclosure on it. If that list
came out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
They won't that they won't because there would be so
many lawsuits. They won't even they won't even be acknowledge
the abuses that happened. For example, the Wall Street Journal
ran an article about how they used hazing rituals in
the military, using a UFO program to trick our own

(01:48:19):
service members into believing that they had to sign NDAs
and all of this that was all hoax. We hoaxed
our own military service members With the UFO story, I
don't think they're not even going to release the fact
that this was UFO hoax that they used on people

(01:48:40):
publicly because the shame of it. They're definitely not going
to release experience or names and lists. I don't think
they would open them way too deep to losses. That's
civil rights abuses.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
But we also heard the same like Annapoline Iluna wants
to get into the projects like MK Ultra.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
Potentially, but look at if there are any documents left
from MK Ultra, which when Clinton came out and said, yes,
this is a real program, yes we did abuse. Is
the CIA round this program? He said at the time
that the files had been destroyed. Now if those files

(01:49:23):
are still in existence, I'd like to see her try
to release him. I really would. That would be great,
but I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
It will be interesting to see if that comes out.
I mean, could you imagine what it would be like
to have your name on that list.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Well, those of us have like a genetic connection, a
family member who have had this stuff going on for
multiple generations. I mean, I've always heard there was a
list of us, but they hadn't had all of us yet.
But now with Palante here there are they can do anything.
So we're probably already all in databases in files listed

(01:50:07):
palentcheer can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
So do you think they are tracking UFO experiencers then
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
I do believe that because I was told a long
time ago that they have lists of all of us. Yeah,
and the way people tell their stories now in the open,
talking about them, their kids, their families. I mean, all
they have to do is scrub the Internet and they
get all of us anyway, because we told our stories
in the public, so they have us that way. It

(01:50:37):
doesn't have to even be clandestine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Do you think that's why the ETS have maybe backed off,
not as many people having sightings or experiences right now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Some people like Chris Bloodsoe are saying he's having huge
events in you know, like North Carolina with a bunch
of people coming and they're all seeing orbs. So I
think the opposite is true. I think there are people
that are seeing stuff now that have never seen something.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Let's go to PARAMIREV. If Donald Trump issues the executive
order to release UFO info, what effect might that have
in bringing out potential whistleblowers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Well, we know when David Grush came out, there was
a huge there was a huge back door scene of
people that wanted to support him, like Matthew Brown talks
about that. But Matthew Brown also says there was a
huge chilling effect in his office about Grush, and there
was that they were being shut down. So I think

(01:51:45):
it would prompt more people to come out because they
would feel like that chilling effect had been you know,
like thawing out, or that there would be an air
of more receptivity towards we whistleblowers and new whistleblows coming out.
So I think we would see more. I think it
would have a positive effect.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
If the I mean, it still comes down to safety though,
what are the rules of engagement for accepting someone's safety.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Don't provide immunity to criminal to crimes, threats, harassment, murder
and assassination, extortion. These things have all been laid out.
Jake Barber laid all of it out to John Estridge,
Marco Rubio staffer, he told him all this, and so

(01:52:38):
they're tracking all of that. They need to do prosecutions,
no immunity, no amnesty for what works and those kind
of things. Now, there is a huge group of people
out there, including famous filmmakers, that are saying we need
to provide amnesty for those people, regardless of the crime.
I don't agree with them.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
I don't agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
I don't think that's and in the meantime where we
want to go.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Now, and in the meantime, we have to also be
understandable that the proof isn't going to come out until
they release the proof.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
I talked with the psychiatrist a week ago about the
mental health aspect, because you know, my presentation was all
about the whistleblowers mental health being weaponized against them to
discredit them, and how we can protect them in the
future by standing up new laws and also other things
that go outside the law to protect whistleblowers, like witness protection.

(01:53:37):
But the psychiatrist that I was talking to was saying,
we need to have disclosure, some form of disclosure in
order to change things and make it positive for people,
like treatment therapy, new laws, other kinds of things building
in civil rights. We need to have a little bit

(01:53:58):
of disclosure in order to do that huge shift. And
I agree with him because right now we don't have it.
It's you know, it's not real. There are people that
are credible, there are people that have done whistleblowing, but
we still have the government staying silent for the most part,
except for a few people who have said this is real.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Look for Courtney Marcasani on x under at Inspired Creative
Create with a TV on the end. Yeah, more UFO information,
all right. The Cryptid guy Christian McLeod filling in for
Robin Haynes. Next we'll get to swamp dwellers. Well in
our three you're listening to spaced Out Radio with your

(01:54:42):
host Dave Scott. You were amazing tonight. Thank you, Hey, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Thanks for having me, and I hope the rest of
your show goes very well.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Have a safe flight home to Alaska.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Yeah. I'll be back home on Thursday, so I'll catch
up with you. Leader.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
All right, body take care of right.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Bye, Courtney marcus SONI everybody, she's amazing. All right, Peter Benton,
how you doing good to have you here. I'll be
right back, everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:56:01):
Sat us, USA US.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
I am back. Let's bring in the cryptid Gee. There
he is right there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
You just don't get tired of that picture to you, man.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
No, no, I do not. I told you that it
will live with me forever.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
I understand. I understand. Well, it's gotta you gotta do
what you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Brother, Oh this is interesting. Edward Trowell, who's listening on Facebook,
says he saw me on a craft Edward type that
out more. I want to, I want to, I want
to know more. Let me know about that. That excites me.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
But there's more than one of your floating out fan.
That's all we need.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Well, who knows, who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
It's true? It's true. Hey, that was a good guess.
I liked her. I think she's very very uh on
some stuff she's dead on, but some of the other
stuff I thought she was a little naives.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
You will meet her when she speaks, and yeah, she's
very nice. Yeah, she's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (02:00:15):
Excuse me, I've heard the boss hang out and we'll go.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
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Speaker 10 (02:02:34):
I'm swamp dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you
on a mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends,
and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp. All right, give
me just two seconds here, because it's disappeared, I swamp
Dweller has disappeared. Here we go. Let's go with this one.

Speaker 10 (02:02:58):
I've always had a very deep respect for Native spirituality,
and in all my learning about different traditions and important figures,
I never thought I could ever meet a piece of it.
I did not even think it was a possibility that
these animals were shape shifters of any sort until I
recently was telling my brother about it, and he told
me that it might be true. I grew up in

(02:03:19):
the central mountains of Idaho, in between several big mining
towns from the late eighteen hundreds, living here most of
my life, I know what the wildlife looks like, and
I know what I would see in each time of year,
except for a few encounters that I still cannot explain.
I was out early with my dad and grandpa to
go and find scrap piles of wood. It was sometime

(02:03:41):
around seven or eight in the morning, and we are
on a tiny dirt path miles away from any houses.
As we are driving, we turn a corner to see
an animal sitting in the middle of the road. I
would say that it was about the size of a
large dog, but hunched close to the ground and completely black.
It had a long tail that dragged on the ground,
and when we pulled up to it, it turned to

(02:04:03):
look at us. It had a small head with either
small ears or no ears at all. I could not
really make out anything specific. After it saw us, it
hopped off the trail and into the bushes on the
side of the road. Believe me when I tell you this,
I have never in my entire life seen an animal
that looked like this. We were all visibly confused. One

(02:04:25):
other time, I was out riding my ATV at around sunset.
I was by myself on some trails that I knew well.
I decided to explore a bit and took a different path,
and suddenly it started to go up a steep hill
with lots of washouts. As I stopped to try and
turn around, the scariest looking bird I have ever seen
ran in front of me across the trail. Now there

(02:04:45):
are a lot of wild chickens, turkeys, et cetera. But
this was about the size of a chicken. But it
almost appears as if its body was backward, or if
it was standing straight up. It looked very skinny, just
not like a bird at all. I could not see
any visible wings, but it had a longer neck and
its head was bare, like a turkey's or a vultures might.

(02:05:06):
I finished turning around and sped back home. I do
not know terribly much about the tribes that would have
inhabited this area before the gold Rush, but I do
know that a lot of violence and death happened because
of it, with the historical cemetery having over one hundred
unmarked graves. If anyone might be able to confirm or
deny my theory, I would really appreciate it. I don't

(02:05:26):
know if it was a skim walker that I saw,
but it seems very close in the shape shifting ways.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Thank you, Swampy for another spooky story. If you want
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thousands of stories there for you to listen to each
and every day and night. Let's go to the cryptid
Q and A.

Speaker 4 (02:05:55):
Love this soft where.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
The trees sway. She has whisper wall sal.

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
Forest.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
The foot psychic talks to sasquatch every day only on
Space down Radioscryptic Cuban days. All right, filling in for
Robin Haynes tonight, who is ailing? We have the cryptid guy,
Christian McLeod coming on in.

Speaker 4 (02:06:23):
How you doing, buddy, awesome man, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Well, let's switch topics from UFOs to cryptids because since
you and I talked last, there was actually a big,
bigfoot flap in the state of Ohio where there were
six sightings in a matter of days, people seeing creatures
from six and a half feet tall up to ten
feet tall, and they all seem to start in the

(02:06:49):
northeastern part of Ohio, making their way almost towards Pennsylvania.
I mean, what do you think of this flap? I
mean it came people saw and now Bigfoot's back in
the forth to get.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
Well, is it. Here's my question.

Speaker 11 (02:07:06):
I was reading a little a blurb on that and
they said that they're having a Bigfoot convention, but there's
a big convention happening there in one of those cities.

Speaker 4 (02:07:17):
And I don't know if that's true or not. That
was that was something i'd heard, But it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 11 (02:07:23):
You know, I'm a firm believer that you know, these
these creatures migrate and it's starting to become a spring
you know, it's uh, you know, Hendersonville or I live
in North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (02:07:34):
Yesterday was seventy you know, uh so yeah, and and
all the trees are blooming and everything's you know, the
flowers coming out, and it's springtime. So I think they're
just moving on to where they usually spend their summer.
I think it's a total normal thing.

Speaker 5 (02:07:49):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:07:50):
I would have loved to have seen some pictures and
things of that nature if they could have been, but
you know, I know how that goes. The last thing
you think about is grab a.

Speaker 11 (02:07:59):
Camera when you see something like but I think they
just saw a family troop. I think that's what they saw,
and that's what it explains the heightened size differences.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Here's the thing that kind of stuck with me a
little bit is the one that was allegedly seen by
a lady driving down a lane. And this creature she
said was very thin and it was only about six
and a half feet tall. To me, that sounds like
a costume because Bigfoot is not thin. You know what

(02:08:30):
I'm saying, It is not skinny.

Speaker 4 (02:08:32):
He wouldn't be thin.

Speaker 7 (02:08:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
I don't see an anorexic or a vegan bigfoot out there,
you know what I'm saying, And.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
I agree with you. And with the amount of a
wild deer, I mean in northeastern Ohio, that's that's still
that's a lot of forced out there. So you know,
there's plenty of food sources out there. So you know,
it's one of these things where you just gonna have
to take it on the witness accounts because I'm with you.

Speaker 11 (02:09:00):
There's it's it's like when people say that they saw,
you know, emaciated dog man.

Speaker 4 (02:09:07):
I'm not buying it. That's the last thing. It's going
to be amazed. That's the apex predator.

Speaker 11 (02:09:11):
You know, you're telling me, you know, unless something's happened
to it it can't move and can't run or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (02:09:16):
That's the story. But you know, if it's in a pack,
they you know, they'll take care of their own. But
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
I'm with you.

Speaker 11 (02:09:23):
The descriptions on what they saw. You're not going to
get a skinny big Foot. It doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (02:09:31):
To be skinny. They're never going to be skinned. They're thick.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
The only thing to me that gives this credibility was
how many people called the police on it, file reports.

Speaker 4 (02:09:41):
Yeah, I mean, but.

Speaker 11 (02:09:42):
That's really the only the only thing you can do now,
I mean, you know, to get it proven without going
into someone's or having an investigator come down.

Speaker 4 (02:09:50):
But yeah, I think.

Speaker 11 (02:09:53):
It's pretty you know, it's just very interesting to me
about the timing and where it all happens. That's the
other interesting thing to me.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
Now, you do mention that you believe Bigfoot is migratory.
You know, why do you believe that? Explain that to us?

Speaker 11 (02:10:11):
Well, it makes sense. All right, let's just think, let's
just go to Florida real quick. Here we're in Florida.

Speaker 4 (02:10:16):
Let's just say you're a North American primate nine and
a half ten foot tall, covered in hair.

Speaker 11 (02:10:23):
And you know, it's hot in Florida, real hot, so
in the spring, you might choose to go some place colder.
So they just start creeping up the National park system
and they go all the way to Canada, or they
follow the Appalachian Trail, they go to Canada, you know,
or it's much more comfortable for them.

Speaker 4 (02:10:40):
And I'm not saying all of them do. Maybe that's
just the Type ones. Maybe just the type ones move.
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:10:45):
Maybe you know scne CAP that's usually described as the
Type two. They're more inclined for that kind of environment.
Let's just say you have a group of Type ones
that are just you know, held bound on staying comfortable
all summer. So the best thing to do is go
up to your neck of the woods. There's more food.

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
Supplies, there's bigger areas, and you know, there's probably more
big foots to go and make a little more brig foots.
So we say, you know, spring fever hits, you know,
and uh that that probably has something to do with
it too. See.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
I think the reason why I do question the migratory
portion of this is because when they sit there, or
when they are walking or migrating. That means they're following
a food source obviously, okay, or baby temperature changes. Yet,

(02:11:44):
if they do have some sort of supernatural ability, they
really wouldn't need to migrate. And if you go into
certain areas, they're seen there all year round. It may
not be because of a food source. It might be
because they're like you and I, they have a home.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
I mean, it's possible, it's very possible. And I'm sure
there's the troops to stay wherever they are because they've got,
you know, whatever they need year round, which is a
total possibility. But I think I think there's a large
group of in northern Appalachia that you know, they probably
run thin on food. Maybe they're around.

Speaker 11 (02:12:26):
You know, people think that these and these people are
or I call people they think the Bigfoot or you know,
American primates are just going to stick around.

Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
In one area and that's where they live. They've got
to move, they've got to they've got to follow food,
they've got to do things like that.

Speaker 11 (02:12:41):
You know, I don't know how far their migratory pattern
would be. Maybe they've got a summer home, maybe they've
got a winter home. Maybe they just migrate, you know,
to avoid the seasons. And then you know, again, I
know you brought up the supernatural event. I'm not a
big believer in that, but if they were, you know,
maybe they the ones that just stay because they don't
need to migraine.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Well that's that's the big the big question is what
are they? We don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:13:09):
I still think they're enough. I know Robin doesn't agree
with that. I still think they're neph one. I really do.
I mean, it goes it's just as sixth it says
it right there. Yeah, giants in those days and after.
So I think that's be like what they are.

Speaker 1 (02:13:26):
I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I'm gonna
I'm gonna go against the grain with Christian mcleoud on
this one. And look, I know that's going to make
you feel and look a little bit sour, but but
I mean you have to. I guess the reason why
is because of the two incidents that I had. Okay,

(02:13:48):
the first one was when I I saw the pixelation
standing by a tree, and it just like when you
pixelate someone's face on and you see the news team
will pixelate someone's face to protect their identity, you know,
and that's what it looked like. And it was right

(02:14:08):
from the bottom of the tree up to about eight
feet high. And then within about forty five seconds to
a minute of that, close by that tree, we got
roared at and that scared the living hell out of
us because we were only a couple hundred feet away,
which is very short. Oh yeah, that's nothing, absolutely, I'll

(02:14:34):
tell you. The four of us that heard that shuffled
our butts off inside the house really really fast.

Speaker 4 (02:14:42):
That was far.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
Right. And the second time was when we had our
sighting in twenty twenty two, different location, this time up
where I live here at one of our Sasquad spots,
where we saw the ten footer where he was standing
there that classic Sasquatch pose, and then a little bit

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a couple of minutes later, he it was like he
kneeled down and then he vanished. He was just gone.
We don't know how he left. And when I look
at those two situations, combined with what I've heard from
other people, it just cannot allow me to rule out

(02:15:28):
the fact that there could be something very very unique
with this creature.

Speaker 11 (02:15:36):
I mean, a lot of people believe that, you know,
there's a lot of people that throw the supernatural in
there of the paranormal when big cold. But it's like
I said, you know, I'll give it that one percent
chance until I see it, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:15:52):
And I've had plenty of run ins with things in
the woods. You know. If dog Man, you know, doesn't have.

Speaker 11 (02:15:58):
Any paranormal capabilities that I'm aware of or I've seen
or I've encounter, you know, the why what makes dog
men so much different than Bigfoot? What would what would
be the what essential difference between their DNA? You know,
what would make them different?

Speaker 4 (02:16:11):
You know?

Speaker 11 (02:16:11):
So I always throw that in there too, And Bigfoot's
the only one you ever really hear anything paranormal about.
But is it paranormal because there's such a good they're
so well camouflaged, you know, they disappear two feet into
the woods.

Speaker 4 (02:16:28):
That's it.

Speaker 11 (02:16:28):
It's only need you know there. We don't know what
their hair does. We don't know if their hair, if
their hair could be like polar bears, it could bend light.
We just don't know, you know, and the people that
do know aren't going to talk about it. So it's
it's just one of these things where until we're more
informed or we have more answers than questions. We're just
never gonna know. I'm not discourged.

Speaker 4 (02:16:47):
I believe you saw, Dave. I believe you saw what
you saw. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 11 (02:16:51):
But I still think there's some kind of logic behind it,
some kind of you know, there's some kind of Maybe
it's not natural glove ability, but maybe they're just so
well adapt you know, at that blending in their environment,
they just disappear. If you look at like you know,
when you see a digital camouflage, you know, when you

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look at it, you think that's ridiculous, that's not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (02:17:15):
But the second that guy takes two feet into the woods,
he's gone. You know, it's it could be something like that.
We just we just don't know. But I I guy said, Man,
I'm not gonna say it's not possible.

Speaker 11 (02:17:25):
If anything's possible, but I'm just more inclined to believe
they're on the one biological side. Could there be some
supernatural elements of them, of course, you know that could
explain a lot. But until I see it, you know
that's that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
And you are right about polar bears. You know they're
not white. Their skin is actually black.

Speaker 4 (02:17:43):
Yeah, people don't know that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
And their hair is is translucent, it's pigment free, and
it's hollow. That's why they're able to dry so fast.
That's why their their hair doesn't soak up water. And
deer are like that. I believe cows are like that
as well, where they can stand frigid temperatures because the

(02:18:08):
moisture doesn't get down to their down to their skin
and the hair doesn't absorb it.

Speaker 4 (02:18:16):
Well, I mean, and that's natural, So I mean it's
the same nature didn't do something for them.

Speaker 1 (02:18:20):
Oh, I would agree. I would agree with that.

Speaker 4 (02:18:22):
Again, I'm not saying you're wrong.

Speaker 11 (02:18:24):
I'm just saying we don't we don't know, and then
there's so much you know, it's like your prior guest,
you know it was, it was very informative, But I
think a lot of it's, you know, a lot of
thought process about disclosure is very naive.

Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
I'm with you. I agree with you.

Speaker 11 (02:18:41):
I'm said they're never going to release what they really do.
It's the same thing with bigfoot. We're not going to
know until it's way too late.

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
Let me ask you this, would you want disclosure on
creatures like Bigfoot and dog Man, or if you prefer
the mystery of having your own encounters with these creatures.

Speaker 11 (02:19:05):
The problem, You know what, Dave, that's such a good question,
because the truth is it's one of these things where
I see both sides of that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:11):
You know, I can understand both sides of that question.
Is part of me want to.

Speaker 11 (02:19:15):
Say yes, but the other party is very realistic and
say no, this is this second we say, Okay, this
is out there, blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (02:19:20):
First thing they're gonna do.

Speaker 11 (02:19:23):
Is you're gonna have all the hillbillies going out there
looking to shoot these things or get a trophy, or
you have your high end hunters that you know, it'll
be some kind of like movie thing where some high
end rich guy wants to go collect a couple of
new corpses for his taxidermy and stuff like that, and
that'll happen. You know, that's gonna happen, especially for it
probably already has happened. But the other part is, like,

(02:19:46):
you know, maybe if they leave things status quo in time,
they're just gonna have irrefutable evidence.

Speaker 4 (02:19:53):
I don't think the government's gonna have any government And
that goes for America Canada, South America, Russia, in Indonesia.
I think some somehow.

Speaker 11 (02:20:05):
Everyone came into agreement and they say, all right, we're
gonna cover this up because it's gonna be tim wus
of a cluster if we have to explain this. And
then the other thing they're gonna have to do is,
you know, they'll have to change national they have to
change boundaries in national parks, get one room, and that's
gonna affect the economy.

Speaker 4 (02:20:21):
And then they're gonna have to, you know, pass bills
that say that anyone's family or anyone that connected with
any kind of disappearances, it's they can't sue the country
and they can't see the government.

Speaker 11 (02:20:31):
You know, it's the same thing Clinton did when he
passed that bill for area fifty to one that they
won't work there can't sue. That's what they're gonna have
to do too. That takes care of all the people
that say, okay, good lawsuit, all right, So that that's
that's a presidential order that takes nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:20:46):
So that was something else that that I thought about
when I was watching you guys.

Speaker 11 (02:20:50):
A presidential order covers that in two seconds, Trump can
sign someonem says all right, you can't sue why he
hasn't nothing that I don't know. I don't think they're
gonna when that happens, then you're gonna get disclosure. Until
that happens, there'll be no disclosure.

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
Well, I mean, I think the us UFO files are
going to be a litmus test for this.

Speaker 4 (02:21:10):
And you know, I don't think Roswell, well, see Roswell again.
That happened back in forty seven, and it's not you know,
the only thing that could possibly be even correlated with
that would be the bell that's clocking for German Tech.
I don't think it was German Tech. That was Definitely
there's been too much on that. There's just too much
on that.

Speaker 11 (02:21:29):
Even when you read some of the Betty and Barney
Hills stuff, they cite Roswell incident as the reason why
they're going after these people so much. So, you know,
and they weren't Germans, you know, they had nothing to
do with the Nazi Party, and that was in sixty one.
So the people are trying to make these assumptions and
it's just not there's no connection there.

Speaker 4 (02:21:52):
You gotta have some of these connects.

Speaker 11 (02:21:53):
You gotta have at least a little thing to pull
a thread to get a connection, and they say that,
you know, Roswell was German based engineering. It doesn't even
make sense because, first of all, what were years Roswell?

Speaker 1 (02:22:06):
Where you what nineteen forty seven?

Speaker 11 (02:22:08):
Yeah, forty seven, okay, all right, July okay, World War
two ends and one forty.

Speaker 4 (02:22:13):
Five, So you got to your gap there?

Speaker 11 (02:22:16):
What was going on where they you know, was it
this thing where they're gonna say, Okay, they were stuck
and lost in time, you know, they were you know,
a time rift or something like that.

Speaker 4 (02:22:25):
It's not. It's not Washington, it's it's not feasible.

Speaker 11 (02:22:29):
So I think if they ever do talk about Roswell,
it will be you know, full disclosure. And I go,
I gotta go with you know, Lieutenant court Show's book
the day after Roswell, I have been saying that stand
I stand by that as far as I'm concerned, that
is the template or exactly what happened. And once you
read that book, you're gonna read it more and more

(02:22:49):
and more, and you're gonna be like, man, this is
exactly he has laid this out. And he did that
years ago, did that in the nineties when the book
came out and it's day after and that's one of
the the standards I use because I believe that's exactly,
uh the way it's gonna shake down. And not only that,
he tells you point blank, there's more than you know.
It's not just aliens, it's aliens.

Speaker 4 (02:23:12):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:23:13):
He tells your point blank there's more out there, you know.
And he tells you they're not great. You know, it
tells you straight up. He goes, you know, we have
absolutely no way to defend ourselves against these things. Even
all the technology we have today, we still can't defend
ourselves against these things. So yeah, they're gonna they're gonna
write the book.

Speaker 4 (02:23:31):
Uh they want us to read. That's all we're gonna
get to read. And here's the other thing. If you
actually had full disclosure, Let's be honest, what would that
do to society? I don't know it would see you know,
if if you like I said, you know, I'm I'm
a I'm a practicing Catholic, and uh, when you know,

(02:23:55):
when when I'm in church, we say that they seeing
Creed and it says, you know, God bade everything seen
the unseen.

Speaker 11 (02:24:00):
To me, that's everything in the universe, visible and invisible.
That's everything in the universe for me. So you know
we're talking about God, So why isn't a guy couldn't
create an aliens, the whole universe everything.

Speaker 4 (02:24:11):
So that's my belief. That's why I've never had a
problem with that.

Speaker 11 (02:24:14):
I angople religiously get problems with that because they think, well,
God made man and man's own image.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
Christian, I'm gonna get you to hold on right there,
because when we return with Christian mcleoud on the Cryptid
Q and A, we are going to get into whether
or not the Patterson Gimblin film's hopes.

Speaker 8 (02:24:34):
This is spaced out radio and your hope name stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:24:56):
Did you get that shirt from your grandpa's closet there
or what?

Speaker 4 (02:25:00):
And this is old school baby. First of all, there's
big trouble in China.

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
I'm saying, your your plaid shirt.

Speaker 4 (02:25:10):
Yeah, man, this is LLB baby, this is old school. Wow,
this is probably older than you. It's to commercial dive.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
In this thing. That would not surprise me. If it's
older than me, it wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (02:25:24):
I don't know. Really, I'll let you wear it when
I come up there.

Speaker 1 (02:25:29):
Okay, all right, that'll make me feel good.

Speaker 4 (02:25:33):
That whole bigfoot thing. I am so pissed that they
did that again because I don't. I don't. I'm still
I believe it. I still think it's through.

Speaker 1 (02:25:39):
I'm saying that between you and me, I would agree.
I would agree with you on that. I still believe
it's real.

Speaker 11 (02:25:46):
I have a picture of that frame two fifty two.
It's actually on my desk somewhere. It's framed with the
that's still my favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
Yeah, we'll get to We'll get to that here in
a little bit. Man. Boy, did that stir up a
ship store.

Speaker 4 (02:26:09):
I didn't know who who was in charge of doing that.
That was just done.

Speaker 1 (02:26:16):
We'll get into it when we come back, because that'll
lead up the next segment.

Speaker 4 (02:26:20):
Okay, cool, Yeah, and I'm gonna be very bag on
a beer you want you want to think? Yeah, I
love something.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
What do you got? What do we what's on tap tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:26:30):
Guinis?

Speaker 1 (02:26:32):
Yeah, No, I don't. I don't like drinking tar.

Speaker 4 (02:26:37):
I'm gonna tell you something. This is all you need
turn with sexual transource, just like me. That's all you need.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
Yeah, with short little arms, So you need.

Speaker 11 (02:26:47):
To uh you wait, Eventually, Guinness is gonna come knock
on your door and say, hey, listen, we want to
sponsor you, and then we'll.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
See all right, you know, right, all right, m h
all right, all right, mhm.

Speaker 3 (02:27:28):
H.

Speaker 1 (02:27:29):
Where's the missus tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:27:32):
She's been she hasn't been feeling good today.

Speaker 1 (02:27:35):
Because she hasn't been wearing her blue hat. Huh, because
she hasn't been wearing her blue hat.

Speaker 4 (02:27:40):
Nah. She actually uh, she's in she's sleeping her in
the fur.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
Ball, Joe is saying for Christian in the movie. In
the movie Big Trouble in Little China, Bigfoot attacks Jack
burton semi truck at the end. I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:27:56):
I love that. That was one of the best underrated
movies of the eighties. We need a sequel.

Speaker 1 (02:28:08):
Oh my goodness. If I go back to the eighties,
what would I say? That movie is underrated? Probably John
Cusack's Better Off Dead.

Speaker 4 (02:28:23):
I love that movie. Two dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
Plus tip, Oh man, I want my two dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:28:34):
He's going down the skis love.

Speaker 1 (02:28:37):
I should do a T shirt of an alien or
a bigfoot chasing a person. I want my two dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:28:42):
No, that'd be awesome. I don't know if that'd be infringement.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
But Remo Williams was good too.

Speaker 4 (02:28:47):
Oh the six Demon Bag, yeah, Remo. Oh yeah, they
were supposed to do a bunch of those and they didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:28:53):
Tyler, how you doing. I still haven't caught up on
sleep yet.

Speaker 4 (02:29:10):
I took a nap man the door, came back. Took
a nap well.

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
Thursday. Thursday, I woke up at seven am, worked all day,
came home, did the show, cut the show back an hour,
then jumped into my jeep. Drove to close to Vancouver
to my dad's house because he likes driving me to
the airport. Saves me money in parking too. Oh yeah,

(02:29:36):
go to Vancouver, catch my flight for eight thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:29:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:29:41):
Sleep a little bit on the plane, not much. Get
to San Francisco. Then you get going. The adrenaline hits
because you're meeting people at saying hi to everybody. I
didn't get to bed until I didn't get to bed
until one o'clock in the morning, right on Friday day,
going into Saturday morning. Yeah, then I slept for eleven hours.

(02:30:08):
All right.

Speaker 4 (02:30:09):
I was watching you on Insta. I saw you you're
buddy with the beard.

Speaker 1 (02:30:14):
Hold on, I gotta get go in here. Okay, it's
my New Twin.

Speaker 4 (02:30:18):
By the way, hey, he looks well.

Speaker 1 (02:30:47):
You're into the final half hour of Spaced Out Radio.
My name is Dave Scott. Christian McLoud filling in for
Robin Haynes tonight on the UFO Report or the Cryptid Report. Christian,
We're gonna get right into you know, all the scuttle
butt going on on the internet about this new documentary
called Capturing Bigfoot by Mark Evans. It's being shown at

(02:31:10):
the south By Southwest Movie Gala Documentary Gala. I always
forget what those are called, where they come together, film whatever.
I'm not into it. I don't watch movies very often.
That is Capturing Bigfoot, says the Patterson Gimblin film is

(02:31:31):
not real. It's a hoax. After fifty nine years, Are
you buying this, my friend?

Speaker 4 (02:31:39):
No? No, I don't.

Speaker 11 (02:31:41):
I think it's real. I've always thought that was real.
I don't know what their endgame is for saying all
this or why they're getting into it, but it's been
it's been around for how fifty nine years? How many
times has it been disputed? Hundreds thousands? How many times
have people taking it apart?

Speaker 4 (02:32:02):
They did that?

Speaker 11 (02:32:02):
You know, what was it ten years ago they digitized
it and the stop motion and they said, no, this
has to be real. There's she's got a herniated muscle
on her leg that moves, you know. She had the
best breast pendulum swing.

Speaker 4 (02:32:14):
There's too.

Speaker 11 (02:32:15):
And now all of a sudden, it's fake, you know,
it's it's it's ridiculous, you know. And and I'm I've
never met him, but uh uh, I'm a firm believer
that Roger Patterson. H I'm sorry, Gilman is he seems

(02:32:37):
like a stand up guy. You know, I've seen all
the interviews with him. You know, he's just he just
doesn't seem like a guy's gonna perpetrate a hoax like that.
And it didn't get him anywhere. If anything, erecd his
life for almost twenty years, and.

Speaker 4 (02:32:50):
He never got paid.

Speaker 11 (02:32:51):
Let's not forget that. He never got paid for any
of that. So you know, it's it's just one of
those things. He has nothing gain nothing, and at his age. Yeah,
I don't think he cares if you talk to if
you listen to his interviews, he's just one of these guys.

Speaker 4 (02:33:07):
He's old school. You know.

Speaker 11 (02:33:09):
If he tells you it's it's eighty out there, it's
eighty out there because he's black. Why it's black, wife,
That's just that's the impression I get, like every day.
And I've been listening to interviews from him for years.
You know, Art Bell did a great interview with him,
and I remember listening to I think, and yeah, this
guy's straight up and Art Bell was one of these
guys if he thought you were full of it, he
was going to go in for you, you know, and uh,

(02:33:31):
you know, George Nori was. He's done interviews with him
every everyone that I consider, you know, with the greats,
you know, the interviewers in this particular arena of ours,
they've all believed him. So it's it's just one of
these things where I think this guy got an opportunity.
He's trying to make it. It's a movie, he said, right,

(02:33:52):
why didn't he release it on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (02:33:55):
Well, because he is a critically acclaimed director, that's.

Speaker 4 (02:34:00):
Why he won't.

Speaker 1 (02:34:01):
For Little Mooney, Well, of course he does. I mean
not everybody does everything for free, and on our field,
everybody thinks it should be done for free.

Speaker 4 (02:34:11):
So well, yeah, I mean I agree with that too.
I mean I get that, but you and I both
know that the only way you're going to reach the
masses is to hit that upload button.

Speaker 11 (02:34:23):
You know, if you're getting twenty bucks a ticket for this,
you know, all you're doing is proven yourself to be
uh you know someone that's making money off it. And
and again we you and I have been doing this
long enough to know there's no money in this field.
I get hurting my taxes. I lose six to eight
thousand dollars a year doing this consecutively, and it's with

(02:34:45):
travel time, my own expenses. And when we investigate, we
don't charge people anything, So we you know, and that's
that's I just believe God put us here to help
each other. But you know, when when you're coming up
and saying definitively, okay, this is a hoax, You're all
you're doing is helping your own You just stuff in
your own coffers.

Speaker 4 (02:35:03):
I'm sorry. It's a money making thing and he's not
buying it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:08):
We also know and met Moneymaker from the BFRO. Whether
you're a fan of his or not, he made some
great points, okay, and that is that For years, the
Bigfoot community knew that Roger Patterson wanted to make a
documentary on Sasquatch all The footage of where he had

(02:35:29):
his friend dressing up like a sasquatch was filmed in
Washington State, Okay. And when they went down to Bluff Creek,
they startled it. They startled Patty and that's when she
started walking away. And like I said, you said, you

(02:35:53):
could see the movement and the shifting of the breasts
as she walks. You can see the muscles protruding from
her life.

Speaker 4 (02:36:01):
I remember she was she was taken. There was a
family unit, and when you listen to the whole story,
there was there was dad, two kids, and for some reason,
mom was a decoy. Dad grabbing two kids and he booked.
You know, everyone seems to forget that too. Patty wasn't
the only one. Now that wasn't films, but that's what happened.
So you know, there's more than you know, one one

(02:36:26):
creature here, and uh no one ever talks about that.
They had the footprints from everything, you know, they had
all that, and then they still do. Why they're doing
this now again, almost sixty years after the original filming again,
it's just to me, it's just it's a money maker,
that's all it is.

Speaker 11 (02:36:44):
It's a money maker. And events it's it, and you know,
I I have never had a problem with the way people,
you know, try and make money on this. I've never
I've never said that I personally won't do it because
I just find it low taste. But there was a
little note up there that said, you know that Roger

(02:37:05):
Patterson or a boub Gimmon was selling footprints for twenty
bucks each. That's a good deal, well number one for
plaster because blast is expensive. But the guys, he's trying
to make some money, and you know, look at how
all these is pushing ninety you know, I mean, this
is what he's known for. So I'm not saying that
everyone isn't allowed to make a hustle a buck. I'm

(02:37:25):
talking about when you're an ARP specific area arena, when
you know we're investigating, we're trying to find things, you know,
we're consulting for people, trying to help them out. I
just don't think that's fair to prey on people's that's
the one distinguishing thing people. Let do that and sell
T shirts if you want to self teaching. I know
I sold T shirts. I just didn't make any money

(02:37:46):
because I ended up giving them out.

Speaker 1 (02:37:48):
Here's the big thing. I believe that the reason why
this is all coming to fruition is because I believe
it's Patterson's granddaughter stated that she had a sixteen millimeter
film that she wanted this guy to look at, and
that's where they got the video allegedly of the gentleman
in the suit.

Speaker 4 (02:38:09):
Is it Hieronymous, Yes, it is Heronomous. Yes, I don't
buy that one. I think you're right. I think they were.

Speaker 11 (02:38:17):
They were going to do a documentary the film that
that's been explained, you know, and and I guess the
creature of is looks it's the one made out of
horse hide. Yes, and they put the shoulder pads in there.
And I'm not buying it. Man, you can't. If you

(02:38:38):
took a picture, you take it still of Heronomous and
then put it's still a pat next to each other, You're.

Speaker 4 (02:38:43):
Not gonna see the differences.

Speaker 1 (02:38:44):
They're not the same. They're not even close, not even close.

Speaker 4 (02:38:49):
Not in close. So it's one of these things where
you know, it's, yeah, a big guy with the limp. Yeah,
that was Seronymous.

Speaker 1 (02:38:57):
Why why do we want to sue this film so much?
I mean, this, this film, this film in the last
fifty nine years has been debunked as or or scrutinized
literally as much as the JFK. Sappruder film.

Speaker 4 (02:39:16):
Mm hmm, I'd say he's probably done more.

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
Probably, uh.

Speaker 11 (02:39:21):
And the reason why I was because there's haters out there.
It's just a mindset people want to be. People want
to be absolutely right or absolutely wrong. They don't want
anyone in the middle. And it's all about the money.
Boon Doc Mojo sent true and what he said prior
to that is true too.

Speaker 4 (02:39:38):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:39:39):
It's it's all about the money because now there's another resurgence.
Now you've got another resurgence. So not only are they
gonna make money for you.

Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
Know themselves, they you know, the people selling a little
big footballs or a little stuff like this little Schotsky's
with bigfoot on them, they're gonna, you know, there's gonna
be what.

Speaker 11 (02:39:56):
It'll be an uptaking in in those it's gonna you know.
So it's it was a little stimulus for the crypti
community that that sells on that, and that's all it is.
And then in five years you're gonna have another one
says out. Okay, this is complete, definite improved as one
hundred cent right, AI says, now, this is one hundred
per cent real. And what happened to the one that
AI did a couple of years ago and they said
it was all real? Where's Where's So we're just throwing

(02:40:18):
everything away. We're just throwing all the prior uh work
away now because this guy got a video of Hieronymous
uh and that's probably older than the original Gimblin film,
I'm guessing. And you know, but we knew this was
out there anyway, and now all of a sudden it's
a big deal. Well, I mean, Horomous was out on it.

(02:40:42):
He was out everywhere said we did this, we did this,
we did this. And he's the other one said he
never got paid, by the way, So there could be
a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:40:50):
Of sour grapes there. You know, you don't know, you
we don't know. And it's another one of these things where.

Speaker 11 (02:41:00):
It's until we get proof positive, it's it's always going
to be a way to stimulate controversy, that's all.

Speaker 4 (02:41:05):
It is.

Speaker 1 (02:41:08):
The problem that I have with a lot of the
skeptics in this field who are carving this new information
and absolutely using it to their social media ability is
the majority of these people have never stepped in a forest.
They have no clue what it's like to be in

(02:41:28):
the middle of nowhere, where you're miles upon miles from civilization.
There's no campers around, there's no there's no trailers, there's
no RVs, there's no ATVs around, and you're taking a
trail that maybe leads into a meadow or a little

(02:41:49):
bit of a dry spot in the forest, and that's
where you see the footprints.

Speaker 4 (02:41:57):
I mean, you're absolutely right. You're never these guys. And
I would challenge these guys. I would challenge these guys
right now. If they see this or hear this cryptidie
dot Com, get in touch with me. I'll take you
places that your cell phone's not gonna work. You're in dark,
ancient forest, there's no signal, the radio in your car
won't even work. And there and then you'll see what

(02:42:18):
nature is really like. And I would challenge him to
do the same thing. I would love to have. These
people couldn't touch with one of us. I would fight.
My first thing is, okay, we gotta go and we
gotta go meet Dave.

Speaker 11 (02:42:29):
They've gotta go fly the area his area, and then
we'll bring you down here and you come to my
area and we'll show you some stuff that you won't believe,
and then we'll see something different. They wouldn't last ten seconds.

Speaker 4 (02:42:41):
These guys.

Speaker 11 (02:42:41):
He's gonna wear wingtips into the bush. You watch it's that.
That's kind of guy that's gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (02:42:46):
Well, I mean, there's so he's.

Speaker 4 (02:42:47):
Gonna wear wing tips in he's gonna wear a suit.
Think he's going in the woods, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
I mean, but you also got to realize too that
a lot of these people do not understand nature's environment.

Speaker 4 (02:42:58):
No, they don't, and that's why they're but but see
they're not they're they're they're making these blatant statements, but
they don't have all the information. They're solving equation without
the variables. You can't do that. You need all the variables,
you need everything, and they're just not doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:43:18):
Outside of the Patterson Gimlin film, there are not many
films out there that depict Sasquatch at all. I mean,
there's a couple, but not a lot of footage. Why
you know, to take on one of those skeptic answers,
why do you think with all of the technology today,

(02:43:39):
with cameras, everybody carrying a camera. I mean, people have
been carrying recorders around. Prior to the iPhones and cell
phones having cameras, people were carrying them around. Why do
you think, outside of the Patterson Gimlin film or the
Freeman footage that we really haven't got much quality?

Speaker 11 (02:44:02):
I mean, I can only answer what I know, and
I'll tell you something right now. I've been I've been
out there, you know, and I think I'm pretty I've
been doing this for twenty seven years now, going on
twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (02:44:16):
That's a long time. And in that time, I've seen
some things I just can't explain.

Speaker 11 (02:44:21):
And in that time, I've also wished I had had
the forethought to start hitting the record button. But sometimes
when you're out there and you see these things, or
the shoves up to you, or are you witnessing something,
the last thing you're thinking of, the last thing you're
thinking of, is hitting that record button, because at that
point it's life or death in your mind.

Speaker 4 (02:44:42):
You just don't know, you know, am I gonna live?
Am I gonna diet? What's going on here?

Speaker 11 (02:44:47):
You just don't know because there's so much going on.
That's why I like, you know, That's why I like
the uh, the little GoPros. You know, they're constantly on.
But I think part of the reason is I think
the footage is out there. I just think it's it disappears.

Speaker 4 (02:45:06):
I think the.

Speaker 11 (02:45:07):
Government, and you know, call me conspiracy theorist because I
take that as a compliment, but I think the government
has an idea who's around everywhere.

Speaker 4 (02:45:16):
I think they have satellite tracking on them, that's just it.
But I think they know when someone's coming close, so
they know if there's a possibility where they can get
film to.

Speaker 11 (02:45:25):
Get evidence, and I think they interfere. I have personally
had I'm not going to tell you how. I've gone
through five computers in the last four years that have
been fried. And when I take them in, they look
at me and go, what'd you do this? That We've
never seen this. I've had forensic computerists analyze it and
look at me, and we've I've never seen anything like this.

(02:45:47):
You know, every bit of your base programming has gone,
everything off, the heart drug has got There's nothing here.

Speaker 4 (02:45:51):
How'd you do this? It's completely white, there's nothing on it.
I didn't do it.

Speaker 11 (02:45:56):
I had it done to me several times. You know,
it gets to be a pain, but that's just a
glimpse of the technology that's working against you. So I
think even if you do get something, that's if you
can prove positive. You know, even if you're walking out
of the woods, you're all proud of yourself. Someone knows
you were out there, or some agency knows you're out there,
and the chance of you walking out of the woods

(02:46:18):
with anything good.

Speaker 4 (02:46:21):
Very nil, very nil.

Speaker 11 (02:46:23):
I think that's I think that's the biggest problem because
when that happened, when when when this film got taken
place and they got Patty, that was what they set
the standard.

Speaker 4 (02:46:31):
We're like, are we going to come up with a
way to make sure this does never happen again?

Speaker 11 (02:46:34):
And they've had plenty of time to do that, and
now the technology is there, So I think that's that's
another thing.

Speaker 1 (02:46:41):
You have to also wonder too, how many people would
actually want to do that. I mean, it doesn't matter
whether you're on a television show like not Finding Bigfoot
or Expedition Bigfoot, or if you're actually you know, just
like you or me, carrying around a camera and you
never know what you're going to grab or what the
camera is going to get, you know, I don't know

(02:47:02):
if I would release the footage.

Speaker 4 (02:47:05):
Well, then that's the other thing. See, and then there's
the fear.

Speaker 1 (02:47:09):
You know, I'm not afraid of the government to take
on I.

Speaker 4 (02:47:13):
Can't afford to take on the United States government.

Speaker 1 (02:47:16):
I'm not afraid of the government. What I am afraid
of is if you look at Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin,
the hell they have put their families through, their grandchildren
through who weren't even born when this was going on. Okay,
they're great grandchildren. Look at the hell that they are

(02:47:38):
going through from the time they released that film to
now death threats.

Speaker 11 (02:47:43):
Again because this one guy thought, you know, hey, I
got an idea. I'm going to make some money. And
that's all it's about. Let's be honest, it's all it's about.
It's about the money. He said, let's make some money
the family. You know, there's nothing worse than someone that's
in the family that feels neglected or feels like they
haven't gotten their piece of the pie, because you know

(02:48:05):
that that's the work, because you can't work against that.
That's you know, they've that's just that's a whole different story.
I don't want to get into that because I've been
through that too. Uh you know, I've got I've got relatives.
I won't even I tell people that they're not they
don't exist in my world. They don't even exist on
the subatomic particle level. I mean, they're nothing to me
because of the way they've acted in some of the

(02:48:28):
things that's happened.

Speaker 4 (02:48:29):
But family was the one that I get you to.

Speaker 11 (02:48:30):
Burst because they have the same uh you know, ability
to get that that information that's been in the family,
you know, and then they release it under you know,
auspicious circumstances, specifically for money, and then you have this
kind of thing happened. So it's not just this one thing.
They don't have the foresight to see what happens after this.

(02:48:51):
See there's ripple effects.

Speaker 4 (02:48:53):
That come from this. And you're right.

Speaker 11 (02:48:55):
All this is going to do is just start a
bunch more. All this does is start up the oldest fight.
This is the half build of COIs of the current
of the cryptied world.

Speaker 4 (02:49:02):
That's all this is. And it's just gonna kick over again.
I guarantee you're gonna have podcast you can see podcasts
and TV shows. Is it real? Is it fake?

Speaker 11 (02:49:12):
And then you're gonna have all these experts, and all
they're gonna do is just sit there and come up
with absolutely no new answers. You know, I guarantee we're
we're discussing more than they were discussed on a TV
show right.

Speaker 4 (02:49:24):
Now because they just you know, there's nothing they can
say or do. It's it's one of these things we
gotta believe, you, don't you know. And and the last
definitive video we ever had looked at the last time
they took every remember that was that monster quested that.
They took every picture of every film on pat They
even got the original one, the originals, and they took it,

(02:49:46):
all digitized it and all came home.

Speaker 11 (02:49:48):
It's real. We can't duplicate any of this stuff. And
that was the end all be all, and now all
of a sudden boom. But how many years later, fifteen
years later, you know, Okay, now it's the end. I'll
be okay, it's fake. We'll pick a lane.

Speaker 4 (02:50:01):
What is it. They don't want us to They don't
want us to focus people.

Speaker 11 (02:50:05):
You know, it wouldn't surprise you if this guy had
some kind of government connection that said, all right, stir
the pod a little bit where they're all starting to agree.
This is where the problems happened. This is one of
the reasons why the crypto community can't come together. It's
because we can't even discuss a film that was taken
almost sixty years ago, whether or not it was real
or not, you know, because you're gonna have half the
people saying that's fake and half people say it's real,

(02:50:27):
and then you know, then you throw in the WU.

Speaker 4 (02:50:29):
Factor and you know, that's an issue. So you know,
it's just one of these things where I think they're
what they're doing is this guy, this directed is whoever
it was, he saw an opportunity to make money.

Speaker 11 (02:50:41):
He saw an opportunity to you know, throw the crypti
community another curve ball. So everyone thinks we're nuts because
we can't decide on why or not there's things a
hoax or not. And it's just gonna be one of
these issues where in two years, in six months, who knows,
maybe next week they'll have another one that comes out
and says, oh no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (02:51:00):
We did this with the AI and AI says it's
real now, so who knows.

Speaker 11 (02:51:06):
It's just if anything just bothers me when it's negative
because it's like all you're doing is just causing more
problems and you know, breaking the community up more.

Speaker 4 (02:51:16):
It was just.

Speaker 11 (02:51:17):
Absolutely no way anyone with any cognitive ability, with any
concervatist community would do something like this.

Speaker 1 (02:51:25):
Christian, we got to wrap it up here. Tell everybody
where they can find a caps You.

Speaker 11 (02:51:30):
Get me Americancryptid, Paranormal Society dot com or cryptiguide dot com.

Speaker 4 (02:51:35):
Very easy, really simple. That's all I gotta do.

Speaker 11 (02:51:39):
And we if you go to the website really appreciate.
Some followers on x and Instagram, we had an issue
where our whole accounts got deleted, so we're trying to
rebuild where we were and it's just one of these things.
All I gotta do is hit hit like and subscribe
and I would appreciate it. And that's also for Facebook too.

Speaker 1 (02:51:57):
Thank you all right. Christian McCloud filling in for Robin
Haines tonight on the Cryptid Q and A. We're always
glad to have Christian around these parts. Good Bigfoot knowledge
there as we've wrapped this up, and say hello to
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