Black Eyed Kids: Real or Myth? 👁️ Varla Ventura Breaks It Down

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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and nightmares with her coming up. Then in our number three,
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Varlaventura is an acclaimed author, folklorist, and researcher known for

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a deep exploration of the strange, the supernatural, and the
beautifully bizarre. A self described lover of the strange, she
has written numerous books covering everything from the paranormal, parlor games,
and supernatural women's history to mermaids, banshees, vampires, and other
legendary creatures. Her work blends folklore, history and dark curiosity,

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making her a standout voice and writer in the world
of the unexplained. So let's bring her on in. You
can find her books at any major bookstore. Varlaventura dot
Net is her website. There she is Varla Ventura. We
love it when you're here. How you doing.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm doing great. Thanks, it's nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh, it's always nice to you Dave. Oh, already already
harassing me, just like that, Just like that.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
You know, I love these time Dave doesn't doesn't people
can respond in the chat. Doesn't Dave's hair look cute tonight?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh yes, I'm actually having a good hair day. Our
radio audience can't see that.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, sorry, radio audience. He'll post a picture to Instagram later.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, I might just do it right now. Hold on,
we're here. Let's get you in the background, you know,
and make sure that you're smiling. Oh, that's the wrong picture. There,
let's just lose the super chat from me, all right,
hold on, hold on, you know, there's never there she is?
There we go. You will post that on Instagram momentarily.

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Hopefully it's not blurry. Oh my eyes are closed. That's okay.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
But again, but also so you're gone off the screen.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah I know, I know.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Oh okay, Oh yeah, because you don't want to take
a picture of yourself taking a picture of.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Your there we go, There we go. I'm going to
tag you with that photo. I'm going to take you
absolutely absolutely For people who may be listening to you
for the first time. The one thing that I love
about you is that everybody in the cryptid world seems
to talk about bigfoot dog man, and that's pretty much it.

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Maybe the old the old uh sea monster and legend
and everything like that. But you know, as I pose
for your picture, but you decide to go into a
more darker macabre style of the cryptied supernatural world. And
I know that you love that, you grew up with it,

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But what is the passion of the darker side of
the cryptid world.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
It's just more interesting, I think overall, Well, you know, Dave,
you can't have light without darkness, and so I think
that I do think that people when they're drawn to
something that might be considered more in the like dark realm,

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are are actually you know, it's important to be able
to like see the difference between the dark and the light.
And the other thing is we have this terrible tendencies
to tendency to equate darkness with evil. And while that's

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fun to do, sometimes it's you know, it's it's just
this like deeply rooted bias toward things of the unknown
being bad. And you know, those of us who have
floored these fields and had encounters, sure there's there's like

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varying degrees of positive and negative but you know, equating
the darkness with something aboud or evil is just I'm
not into that. So I think my preference for I
just you know, I always rooted for the villain. I
couldn't help it. So yeah, there is a little bit

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of like evil fetishism in there. I guess I love it,
but I just think, you know, it's it's interesting. It's
how we come to understand. I mean, we all have
this part of ourselves and what I think we seek
when we're looking into the paranormal, into the fairy realm,
into the other world. When we're interested in these things,

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we were seeking to learn about ourselves. At the same time,
we're trying to fill in that great unknown blank that
exists in all of us because we don't know. We
really don't know what the other world is like. We
really don't know what the afterlife is like. We are speculating,
and the only thing I'd speculate on is it's probably

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different for everyone. So you know, long answer, dark is cool.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Speaking of dark, one of the dark subjects we're going
to get into right off the bat is the legend
of black eyed kids. So for people who don't know
what black eyed kids are they're one of the most
chilling modern urban legends to emerge in recent decades. First
widely reported in the late nineteen nineties, this phenomena gained
traction after journalist Brian Bethel described a terrifying encounter in Texas.

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He claimed two children approached his car late at night,
asking for a ride, but something felt deeply wrong. Their
behavior was odd, emotionless, and when he finally noticed their
eyes they were completely black. No why, no pupils, just
solid darkness. The children insisted of being let in, growing
more and more aggressive, but Bethel refused and fled the scene.

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Since then, hundreds of similar stories have surfaced across North
America and beyond. The encounters follow a disturbing pattern of children,
usually between the ages of six and sixteen, appearing at night,
often at doorsteps, windows, or parked cars, asking to be
let inside. Witnesses describe overwhelming dread, nausea, and even a

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sense of being compelled to obey. The kids often speak
in monotone voices, repeating requests like let us in. We
can't come in unless you invite us. Many reports suggest
their eyes appear normal at first, only turning black once
attention is drawn. To them. This is a scary topic.
You know, there are certain things in our world, in

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the weird and strange, that I do not want to encounter.
The black eyed kids are one of them.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, They're definitely only one of the more scarier phenomenon.
I've never had an actual encounter with one myself. I
have a few theories about them, Yeah, the the not
being able to I mean, first of all, how hard
would that be to, like, there's a child at your
door asking for seemingly asking for help, right and you're

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turning them away. And there's all kinds of stories where
you know the person was like I can call someone
for you, or they'll come up to your car, or
things like that. I've been on a couple shows that
where the post has had an encounter with what they

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think were black eyed children and it was actually in
the middle of the day. So so that's that's interesting.
I think the there's something going on there. It's okay,
there's they're life. They have attributes of like vampires, and
they have attributes of sort of change links in a way.

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So I've always I've pondered for years if they are
in fact change links. If they are, which is a
fairy switch. It's where a fairy child is left in
place of a regular human child, regular child, human child, whatever,
and then the in theory the fairy children, the human

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children are taken away to the fairy realm and raised,
and then the and vice versa. So there could be
something going on there with like you know, stray, highbridy
fairy creatures. But it's interesting because in a lot of
the old especially in like the Irish folklore, like there's

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a lot of things that are kind of empiric and
like a lot of the fairy realm is if we
have this misnomer that it's these lovely little winged creatures
that go from flower to flower, and you know, it's
not the case at all. There's all kinds of creepy, terrifying,
trickster sort of menacing to humans, but not not not

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necessarily inherently evil that that dwell in the fairy realm.
There are also some more evil creatures that were what
might be considered evil, that are like a little bit
more in the in the demonic vampiric realm, but they
don't go ahead, go ahead, I was just gonna say that.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
But the Black Eyed Children like it don't quite fit
in any of those categories completely, and that's part of
what makes them so look disturbing.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I don't know. I don't know about the whole it
started in the nineties thing. I'm always leary when it's
like sort of a more a newer or I guess
of thirty years but sort of a newer legend or whatever.
But I have often found that we have a lot

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of names for modern We like to call them cryptids,
I mean, cryptoid zoology. It wasn't even a term until
like the nineteen twenties or something. And I kind of
view that all of like potentially just sort of like
other worldly creatures, the other world being, like the fairy
realm or the flip side. And so I suspect And

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this is why I bring up change links that there
are some descriptions that talk about similar phenomenon that pre
date the term black eyed children.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Your's what what iways wanted to say. And I'm glad
I didn't forget it, because sometimes when you have a
power thought, you forget it moments later. It's human nature, Okay,
just like I had something that bugged me today and
I wanted to say it on the air. And I've
already forgot about it. Obviously not that important. But when

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it comes to children, this has to be the scariest
encounter outside of a monster right in front of you.
And the reason why I say that is because it
is our human nature to help kids. It is our
human nature to nurture children. And when we see children
not with their parents late at night, especially young children

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between that age of say six to twelve, we are
very much wondering, why is that child out outdoors at night?
What are they doing? Why are they running around? Maybe
they're barefoot, maybe it's cold out what maybe they are
lost or whatever it could be, you know, And it's
our our duty as adults of a of a good

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society to try and help children. But all of a sudden,
this menacing feeling that people are getting, Oh my, that's
just that's just.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Headaches and like nausea and things like that. Yeah, it's
very interesting because that's that's exactly what makes it so scary,
because like I would I let them in, probably, and
then what would happen? No one ever tells what happens
when they have never heard what happens if you let

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them in. It's like one of those legends where you know,
everybody dies when they see it, except one person lives
to tell the tale. So the legend goes on, like
what anyone with an encounter have they like, has anyone
actually like let them cross the threshold? Like the first
person must have right because I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
No, I get you, I totally get you. And it
is one of those things varla that that I've heard
once once of somebody letting the children in and allegedly
this person you know, obviously this is third hand story now,
but this person who let the black eyed children into

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their home. Nothing was stolen, nothing was taken, door was closed,
but they woke up passed out on the floor.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Oh interesting, So like total like time laps. Yeah, there's
some theories that they're they might be like something more
in the alien is that circulate around in your It's
kind of more your your community there, the UFO community
and the people who have had encounters do they Is

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there any theories that that's that they're part of?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Like no, no, no, not at all, not at all.
I hear more paranormal than cryptid or or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
I just was thinking, because you know that's there are
some older descriptions of strange creatures that are kind of
you know, maybe they're called pixies and you know from
back in the day, but they're they're more childlike and
they have kind of weirdly shaped heads and things like that.

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And people report missing time. But the missing time is
is a tell tale mark of the fairy Kingdom. So
missing time is really a big like that's a big
indicator that you know that that happens all the time

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and all of the like really robust records of especially
Celtic stories about you know, Irish stories of the fairy Kingdom.
There's missing time. The puka takes your time, and the
you know, you'll wake up hours later somewhere else. If
you enter into the fairy realm or you enter into

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like a fairy circle with the fairies, hours could go
by it or even days could go by and you
think it's only been a few hours and you get exhausted,
you return very drained. So like some of those things,
like the physical symptoms and the missing time, I mean,
if that's the case, yeah, I mean that's now why

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that's the other big question, right, why what do they want?
What do they want? What are they after?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
It?

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Just come into like, you know, look through your underwear
drawer or what like, why why do they want in
your house so badly?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well? And that's and that's the question, like what are
they doing in there? You know, if they're not robbing you,
if they're not you know, ransacking your home while you're
knocked out, passed out or whatever it might be, allegedly,
what do they want? Are they there for your soul?
Are they doing something to your body while you're gone?

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Are they Are they messing with your head? Do they
have some sort of telepathic powers that could play with
your mind or implant things in your brain? Like it
sounds very sci fi, but I mean we don't.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Know well And furthermore, are they aware of this behavior
or is it a bit more like animalistic the way
a mermaid accidentally drowns the man she loves, you know,
it's almost like this animal instinct didn't realize he couldn't

(19:52):
breathe underwater. I can breathe underwater. So is there also
just something kind of more like not necessarily evil, but
just sort of like kind of more instinctual, not necessarily
coming in at it, trying to trying to do anything,

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but kind of set to this task. It seems like
they've been set to this task. Maybe that task is
just to scare you. Because that's a big lesson that
we get from encounters with the other side, is you know,
reevaluating what's real what's not real where we are in life.

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You get to take a while wide with the puka,
and you're gonna be reevaluating your life big time, you know,
dangling over a cliff. Then you're going to start thinking,
maybe I should lay off the sauce.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Do you think then that maybe, just maybe these are
some sort of harbingers of depression tough times in our life. Okay,
Like like shadow people are alleged to come around when
you were at your worst depression anxiety. You know what

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I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
You've gone through big, some big trauma. Yeah yeah, yeah,
like you're vulnerable in that moment. Yeah. I never really
thought about that that that would be interesting to if
you could track down enough people have actually, you know,
legitimately had these encounters and try and kind of compare

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what has happened to them in their lives around that time.
I mean, yeah, they could be physical manifestations of all
kinds of things. Yeah, that's that's definitely possible. I never
thought about that before, but I mean, that's you know,

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that's the band banch. These are harbingers of things shadow
people are, So why not black Eyed children? I think
we just don't really have enough information to be able
to say there's.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
A you know that.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Because nobody probably ever asked that question, Dave. Someone just
told the story about the Black Eyed children and how
scary it was, and no one followed up with how
you know what's going on in your life right now?
Not not trying to say, oh, it's you're just it's
in your head, it's just trauma, and I'm not not

(22:38):
saying that at all, but that they can there are physical, uh,
manifestations from the other realm that indicate things like you
just said, like that you know there's there's trauma or
some kind of grief happening. I think shadow people are
often attached to to grief, but not necessarily like immediately

(23:03):
right it's like it's like that that that grief, like
a year or two later that that grief, and it
makes sense right like that the shadow realm would be
kind of peeking in.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's the shadow realm that scares me because I think
it leads to things that that are going to try
and take you places of nightmares that you've never expected.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
One of the things is we got to under a
minute to go here about black eyed kids. They do
have some similarities to other types of beings like vampires,
demonic entity, certain spirits where it's the invitation rule you
have that's big.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
One with vampires in particular, Yes, yes to be In fact,
I was told I was told by a witch not
to put a welcome mat out. Don't put a welcome out.
Don't just say welcome like anything could come in if

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it sees welcome, it's an invitation. So now I have
one that says welcome witches, so it's much more specific.
It's nice. But yeah, yeah, that is that is very
that That's what That's one of the reasons that they
kind of seem like they have a little bit of
this and a little bit of that. But that's the

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case with.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
A lot of thought.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well that thought we're gonna go to break here. Varla
Ventura dot Net is Varla's website. Find your books at
any major big store and bookstore. I don't know where
big store came from. This is spaced out radio. Let's
take a break, all right, varlet we are clear.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You look tired, dear, I am.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
I'm drinking something with like a little bit of caffeine
in it right now. I was sleeping until like ten
fifteen or so.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It happens.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I'm really tired. I've been getting up really early
and working a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah you've been working your butt off lately. Mm hmm yep,
b mora, how you doing? Diya love? Welcome to so
our chat. Lots of new faces in our chat room tonight. Nice.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I never looked at the chat. I was trying to find.
I have to find something in this book. You go,
not the boogeyman.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
So that boogeyman, good time.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I know I have it in here. Oh something like
publisher sold the audio books the audio rights to Enchanted Plants.

(27:06):
And none of my other books have ever been on
audio that I Yeah, they haven't. And of course I
didn't read it. I just was told, Hey, it's sold,
and here's a link to get a free download or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Cool. Yeah, they give you one free download on your books.
That's nice.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, oh I have I have more than one. If
you use Spotify, I can I can send you a
code and you can listen to it on Spotify.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Terry Hull in your beautiful mustache? How you doing tonight?
Shane Gord, how you doing? Go ahead and the barl
I cut you off. I'm sorry, Oh no.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
That's fine, it's fine. I've just gotten to the change
links section here.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Actually, how are you go to the changelings? Went and
out change laying it out?

Speaker 7 (27:59):
Shame?

Speaker 5 (28:03):
What was I saying? Anyway? It's really weird here. Somebody
else read your own read your book. I haven't made
it through it yet. It's just a strange experience. Person
did a lovely job. It's not a criticism. It's just
a very bizarre thing to your own book read by

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someone that Isn't you whistling?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Mike? How you doing, Claudette? How are you my northern neighbor?
I have drum sticks in my freezer for after the show.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
Oh, oh my god. I wanted a milkshake so bad today,
just like in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't I want a stick so right now?

Speaker 5 (28:54):
A steak? Oh, I want a steak in a milkshake.
I'll take a drumstick.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I got a little pissed off tonight playing minie sticks
with my son and his buddy. Uh oh. I think
after they were started beating me like seven to two,
I snapped my stick.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh my god, you baby. That probably deeply satisfied them.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh yeah. Hello to number fourteen in your program tonight,
starting at right wing from Stockholm, Sweden, Lars Johnson. Lars
has twenty eight goals on the season. By the way,
sixty seven assists having a good year contract year two.

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Good morning, skip to my loo. Yep, gonna have a
stick after the show A caramel won. All right, we
got about twenty five seconds. Thank you to Area fifty four,

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We greatly appreciate your love and support. FAP, Dave, your
bland appearance annoys me. FAP, go brush your teeth. It's
been a month.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Is it the shirt?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Here we go. Second half hour of spaced out Radio tonight.

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Speaker 5 (31:41):
I was just reading through the changeland section of that book,
seeing just trying to see if there was any good
descriptions that we might be able to kind of match
up with the with the Black Eyed Children.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But I got.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
I didn't get too far.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You got. You got sidetracked because you caught onto a
story you couldn't remember.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
I got sidetracked because I was like kind of like, well,
this is a really clever it's a really clever header.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, you're like this this author is great, Like
I'm so glad I've bought.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
I'm not drunk, it's just my puka.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I hear you love that.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I forgot. I wrote that you know sometimes, Well, this
book was when did I write this? I wrote it
twenty I want to say, twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen, something
like that, So that was ten years ago in Go Ahead,
twenty seventeen, so I wrote it in twenty sixteen, actually
probably twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
When it comes to Black Eyed Kids, one of the
things that people suggest is that these beings, creatures, whatever
you want to call them, seem to feed on emotion
or physical energy. Witnesses report having sudden dread or panic,
feeling nauseous, or all of a sudden really we lingering

(33:01):
unease after the encounter. What do you think they're doing
to our energy pattern?

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:07):
See that feels real vampiric, doesn't it. That's like that
like energy vampire, like being around somebody that just completely
drains you, and you figure out that they're like literally
trying to drain your energy field. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Obviously, people are having like really visceral reactions to it,
so there's something to that. I mean, some people are
also more sensitive than others, so certainly some people may
not experience that that level of like physical distress. I mean,
it's entirely possible that you could just drive away and

(33:53):
be fine. But yeah, I suspect there's just like, you know,
kind of that way. I don't know this happens to you,
it happens to me. So this is like one of
those happened to me since I was a kid. But
if I get like too close to like a power station,
I get a headache. If I'm like around like or
even I'm like around a tower, I get like kind

(34:14):
of a strange headache, and like I get kind of tired.
This is like like that level of electricity and energy
in the air just like kind of zaps me out.
So I mean I'm not like that around lights or anything,
but or like you know, search protector, I'm okay. But

(34:36):
like a big power station, I can tell. I can
actually tell when there's a power station nearby because I
can kind of feel the like I don't know, this
is like the ions in the air are swirling in
front of my head, so that there's Yeah, so that
could be part of it. Is just like you know,
completely sknocking someone out and draining them. Vampires have this

(34:59):
reputation for feeding on blood, but really vampires are just
the undead and they're you know, so like the broad
sense of a vampire is something that's the undead. It's
come back from the dead. It can't die, and it
can it relies on others for its life force. That

(35:22):
could be purely energetic. Did you ever see or did
you read the book or see the movie? Let the
Right One in? No, Okay, that's a vampire movie, and
the vampire in that movie is a child, and it's
really really scary. I highly recommend it. Right, it's really good.

(35:44):
It came out probably fifteen years ago or something like that,
but it was a really scary book, and then they
did a beautiful job with the movie. Now I want
to rewatch it. Let's all rewatch that the next week
and then we can have a group chat about it.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Oh yay, let's do that. Let's do that.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Let the Right One in.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I want to get to a couple more things about
black eyed kids. Okay, what do you think about them
maybe being interdimensional beings that can cross over from another reality,
intertesting the human boundaries.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
M sure, I mean that's possible, but I'm not real
into the interdimensional Well, let me be clear, I don't
view it as perhaps as like in I don't use
those terms, I guess, but like I know that something

(36:41):
can cross over from another realm. I call it like
the other world or the you know, the fairy world
or so, yeah, that's kind of what I was saying
that I think that they could be coming from that realm,
and we are referring to them as one thing, but
they've actually been doing this, you know, since time immemorial,

(37:04):
because they are other worldly creatures. So I don't call
it interdimensional, and I do think interdimensional has a little
bit of a different meaning, especially in sort of like
modern cryptid society. But you know, I have a more
Victorian approach.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yes you're more dramatic. Yes you have chandeliers, so you're
more dramatic.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
I wish that was a chandelier. That's a plant. I
need chandeliers. I need more chandeliers in my life.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
See, I knew that. I knew that.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
I know.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So apparently they're creepiest patterns. They never break in, they
always ask, they get more aggressive, I refuse, and when denied,
they eventually leave. The last part is key. Whatever they are,
they seem bound by rule.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yeah, that's very vampirey, isn't it. Vampires have a lot
of rules.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Why do vampires have so many rules?

Speaker 5 (38:12):
I don't know, because they're truly undead versus just like
a being a supernatural creature, meaning perhaps they were actually
like alive at one point as a human. That's kind
of That's what I'm wondering. It's like that you get
extra rules if you were human and you choose to
become a supernatural entity, whether it's by conscious choice or oops.

(38:38):
You know, I went home with this vampire and one
thing led to another and now I'm immortal. Yeah, there
are very specific rules. Well, you know, the fairy kingdom
is quite orderly, and I know I keep saying like
fairy kingdom, but like I just want to reiterate.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
That is of what I'm calling like what other other
cultures call the other world or the second world, or
you know, some people.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Call it like another realm or or dimension. I just
say fairy realm because that's kind of the broad the
broad term for me. But there are rules. There are
lots of rules and within within the the that realm.
And not only are there rules for the more supernatural creatures,

(39:34):
there's also rules for humans interacting with them, and generally speaking,
if you break the rules. That's when the fairies come
for you. If you're if you trespass in an area
that you shouldn't be because it's sacred to the fairies.
If you are out really late at night, especially on

(39:57):
you know, uh particular night of the year, like the
Eve of May or something like that, that's high fairy time,
you shouldn't be out because you will encounter the fairies
and they'll make you carry a corpse for ten miles,
because a talking corpse, no less, because that's what you

(40:18):
get when you don't listen to the fairies. So there's
a bunch of rules there. So it doesn't you know
really if you looked into it. Each each sort of
creature or entity has its own set of rules. And
I suspect that that's true. That's, you know, true for Bigfoot,
there's true, you know, like there's certain I don't even

(40:38):
know I should We call them rules. We call them
rules because we're humans and we like contracts and rules
and things like that. But they're just sort of like
guide posts for guide posts for the supernatural.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's so weird that a monster or a creature like
vampires or black eyed kids have to play by a
certain set of rules. I mean, you wouldn't think that
if they're evil or demonic, right.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
So perhaps they're not evil or demonic, they're actually just
doing their thing in a kind of more animalistic way.
I mean, just because we have a negative reaction to
something physically or mentally doesn't mean it's evil.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Means I get that, right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
I don't know. I think if we were really trying to,
I mean, it's just not really something we want to
experiment with, right, Like we're not going to set a
trap or lay out some snacks for some black eyed
children and just see what happens, right, We're not We

(41:52):
could we could do that. I don't think a lot
of that's going to happen. And I don't think we're
necessarily interested in inviting things that are perhaps damaging to
us physically or mentally. We shouldn't probably invite those things.
It's more about like what to do if you do

(42:13):
encounter them and you know no one dies. It's just
really really scary, right, no one's died that we know of,
or have they.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Well, you can only help until it happens. I'm still
blown away by the rules portion, though, Like who's setting
the rules? Is is there a league of demonic forces
that have like an upper court, like a supreme court,
that says, these are the rules that you have to
you have to live by if you want to haunt people.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Okay, So I think of it more of like it's
like a natural order. And I think of it, and
this is after studying like the fairy realm for for
several years and studying the plant realm and seeing a
lot of the parallels there. It's there are certain rules
in nature. I don't even know if you would call
them rules. There are just certain things that happen, and

(43:08):
there's sort of a hierarchy and a structure that exists there,
and that that exists I believe that exists in the
in the supernatural realm. There are of course things that
are rule breakers, that are just going to break out
and do whatever, just like there's humans that do that.
But I kind of think of it more of like

(43:30):
there's like more of the way if you look at
like you know nature and how one thing kind of
is in charge. You know, trees are in charge of this,
and fungi are in charge of like enriching the soil
and helping plants grow at the base of the trees,
and like there's a whole system there. We don't always
see it or know about it, but there is a

(43:52):
whole system in place, and it is excuse me, constantly happening.
And I think it's it's kind of like that hybridized
with some of what you know we have as as
as humans. I mean we like you were talking about
our moral duty to you know, look after children, like

(44:13):
that's just part of rules of society. But they're not
like written rules, right, They're just like dove of course
you would do that rules. So I think if it
kind of you know, somewhere in between those, but more
in the natural order of things, closer to the you know,
the rules and chaos and destruction and renewal and life

(44:38):
that happens you know, every day in like a forest
for example.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Mm.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
So you know, certain trees aren't going to grow in
heavy clay soil without enough light, and so certain creatures
aren't going to be able to cross the threshold without
a invitation.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Let's switch gears here, okay, as we are talking with
far le Ventura Tonight, author Extraordinary of the Dark and
the macab it's the only time of the year I
get to use or month where I get to use
the word.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Macob only time. Well, I'm flattered.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I save certain words for you.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I really appreciate that I do.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Not everybody gets a macab from old Davy Scott. Let
me tell you that. You know, I just don't throw
them out like their guitar picks at a concert. My goodness,
what do you think I am here? But one of
the places where we get scared is our bedroom. And

(45:46):
it's more than just after a one night stand where
you don't know who you're actually with. Okay, I mean,
trust me, there's a couple of times in my life
I've tried to gnaw my arm off right, but it happens.
It walk right into that one, Dave, I totally did.
I totally did. But from children on up, even to

(46:10):
us adults and even seniors above us, nightmares happen. You know,
things moving in your closet. You know, we always heard
about the you know, don't get out of bed because
there's a monster under your bed and he will grab
your ankles, you know, tickling your feet at night. You know,
by no one ever said that to me.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
He told me not to get out of bed because
a monster was gonna grab me.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Aliens, aliens in the bedroom, you know, and you know,
I mean we we all kind of laughed at it
when Disney's movie Monsters Ink came out.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Oh the screams that power the other Yes, so clever.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
You're not supposed to sleep with your feet dangling over
the bed uncovered, because the monsters may grab your feet,
right and believe it or not, I actually that happened
a number of years ago.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I did.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
It was after the show one night. This is going
back probably oh eight nine years ago. Now, I was
still new in the house here, and I went to
bed and I'm somebody I don't sleep with my feet
covered up. Can't stand it. I'm always kicking the blankets
off my feet, and so I'm laying on my stomach,

(47:27):
passing out, and all of a sudden, I feel my
right legs start to raise in the air. And I literally,
because I was just before I hit my deep sleep,
I remember literally saying, guys, not tonight, please, not tonight.
I'm way too tired. And I felt them literally or

(47:48):
it whatever it was, put my foot back down on
the bed.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, that was creepy. I thought about it afterwards. And
I'm like, here, I'm acting like half a sleep keep
all nonchalant. My legs starting to raise up, like it
wasn't really high up, only a few inches, but still
the fact that something was picking up my leg.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Yeah, but you were too tired in the moment and
you just wanted to let You're just too tired to
deal with it. And then it probably like wake back
up later going oh god, right, what just happened. Yeah,
I've had I've never had anything. Actually I have. I've

(48:29):
had a number of things like that. One of the
ones that I remember the best was I was sleeping
alone in my bedroom and one of my apartments in
San Francisco. I lived in like this attic for many
like kind of the attic of a Victorian for many years,
and I actually lived in the front apartment and the

(48:50):
back apartment. Later. This was in the front apartment and
I felt something like sit on the sit on the bed,
and it was right as I was kind of drifting
off right like you said, right before you're getting into
deep sleep. And my first thought was like I thought, oh,

(49:11):
how cozy like the cat. And then my second thought
was I don't have a cat, you know, because you're
like sleeping. You're like, oh, that's comforting. Wait, I don't
actually have a cat, and I didn't have a cat
at the time, so so then I kind of sat
up and I was like, Okay, that definitely happened, but
maybe it didn't happen, so I'm just going to go

(49:32):
back to sleep. Just I guess I was just you know, asleep,
and I imagined it because that's what happens in the moment,
right you just kind of like whatever, I just want
to get through this and go back to bed. And
then it happened a second time, and that's when I
was like, okay, I wasn't asleep. That just happened a
second time, and I kind of kind of sat up

(49:57):
but was like, uh, I think I said something like
I felt that or something like that. And then it
happened a third time. So then I kind of was like,
it's okay, I'm going to go back to sleep. Happened
a third time. I just got set up and I
said I really felt that, and I turned the light
on and I just stayed awake for hours after that.

(50:20):
And I mean, that wasn't anything like sneaking out from
under the bed, but that and there have been other
times like that where I've felt something like tap my
forehead or tug on my arm when I've been in bed,
and that's you know, that's okay. A couple things. First
of all, we're in this like we're we're in a

(50:40):
state in which we really are crossing realms, whether you
think of that as conscious and subconscious or you think
of it as the astral plane and the mundane world,
like however you want to frame that, if you go
science or metaphysics, there's a transition that happens undeniably physically
when we are asleep, and this can open us up

(51:04):
to things that we might not be able to see
or feel in our you know, waking state, partially because
we're our brains are going all the time. We got
our to do lists and we need to do this
and thinking about that and reading about this, and so
a time when we're actually kind of like able to
shut down, that's a time when we might become more

(51:24):
sensitive to to outside or you know, supernatural courses for
lack of a better term. And as you well know,
you don't walk into like a paranormal investigation bang in
the walls and like making demands. You know, you spend
a lot of time sitting in silence. The more time

(51:46):
you have that's quiet and calm, the better, right, the
better to scare you with. So But then the other
the other element of this is when you were talking
about the way that we describe these things or we're
told when we're children, it immediately made me think, like,
you know, there's always that juxtaposition of practical advice in there.

(52:11):
I don't want you to get sick in the winter,
so keep your toes in the bed. I don't want
you to get up out of bed because I want
you to stay in bed all night. So I'm gonna
tell you there's something, you know, creepy under the bed.
I don't want you falling in the bog and drowning,
so I want you to make sure you don't. You know,
you don't make peg powl or two mad or Jenny

(52:34):
Green teeth, keep a wide berth from them. So there's
always that little bit of that kind of cautionary element
to it. But I think it's like pretty damaging for
a child to have an experience like that and then

(52:55):
be told it's I don't know what's worse being told
something's there just to scare you into into, you know,
doing what the parents want, or a child having an
experience and the parents dismissing it and saying, you know,
oh it's it's not real. It's just a nightmare or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
So okay, but what about the you know, the where
did the mystery of monsters coming out of the closet
come from?

Speaker 5 (53:25):
I mean, it's a dark space and it's a doorway often, right,
so there's some kind of some kind of portal. I mean,
I've had a couple of closets I I didn't care for. Generally,
closets are fine, right, they hold your stuff. But I've
had a couple of apartments, older apartments, you know, Victorian
era apartments that like the just like I just never

(53:49):
wanted to put anything in that closet. It had real
weird vibes. So I don't know, you know, it's got
that kind of portal portal energy. But it's interesting because
closets are kind of a like modern thing, right, They're
a modern thing. Like back in the day people just
have like a wardrobe or a dresser. They didn't have

(54:12):
they didn't need a closet to hang up all of
their things. The closet's kind of a more modern architectural thing,
like you're not allowed to list it as a bedroom
if it doesn't have a closet. And you know that's
people haven't always lived like that. I've lived in many
places that had odd configurations, and you know, just put
up a wardrobe and hang your whatever. You're one good

(54:38):
gown in there. So I don't know that. I don't
know that that closets are always the source, because I
think this kind of thing sort of predates closets.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
And on that note, we're going to take our first
break up to the first hour, second hour of Spaced
Out Radium Monster Talk with the Great Barla Matura coming
up after this. This is faced out breaking up with Hopes,
Dame Scott. If you've seen me looking down, it's because

(55:18):
I'm posting on Instagram the photo. It's not that I'm
uninterested tonight, but I told you that I would post
during the show. We're gonna take a quick break. I'm
just gonna put you in the background. Marlow, all right,
there we go. I am back, and let's get rid

(59:47):
of that. You want to see the photo that I took.
Let's go here I look half stoned. That's okay. There

(01:00:20):
we go. There's the photo. There's the photo. Thank you, Varla.
You can see Varla in the background. There's the studio,
my Texas flag, come and take it for the aliens.
There you go. All right? Who joined us late? Here? Anybody?

(01:00:47):
Grand tavs? How you doing? I haven't heard from Algaray.
He must be signing autographs. All right. Thank you tonight

(01:01:15):
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Caddywack for the super chats. Greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Var La.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Time to come back in cause we are about to
come back. There we are, and here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Oh my god, I was talking to you that whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Here we go with our number two of spaced Out
Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott. Our good Fred
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her website. Let's bring her in, Barla, how are you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:59):
I'm still good. Good, Thank you, Thank you for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Liking the photo that I posted on my Instagram at
Dave Scott s o R.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
What I was saying to you when I didn't realize
that I was muted is that I posted the opposite.
I posted from the other side. I posted a picture
of us from my lap top. Oh you have to
send that to me, I tagged you in it, Nemi,

(01:03:28):
also to send it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, send it to me, and then I'll do the
other side on my I put it on Facebook as well.
Oh my goodness, I almost spill my water all over
the place. Oh dear, that's terrible, absolutely terrible. I'm you know,
technology and water don't go well together.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
That's that's yeah, that's that's that's a faux pas. Never
get to use faux pas either around here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
You know, you got you're gonna use moll toit, beaux
paw ma cob.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
All right, so let's get right to it. Let's get
to it otherwise they're going to start laughing here. Right
before the break, we were talking about monsters in our closets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
The movie Monsters Inc. From Disney really put light on that,
trying to get scream out of kids, and then they
realize that laughter actually worked better. But for many people,
they believe that closets are a portal to something else,
to another world, and if you keep your closet doors open,

(01:04:31):
spooky things from other dimensions and other worlds can come
out and haunt you and scare you at night. What
do you think about this?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Yeah, so I have some thoughts. Well, for one thing,
there is an old there is an old legend, and
this has to do with change things actually for change
links or fairies in general, that if a woman is
in labor, all of the all the doors and windows

(01:05:03):
have to be locked and shuttered. But also all of
the like any wardrobe and all the drawers of a
dresser also need to be locked, ideally with like an
iron lock. And because fairies don't like iron, So the
idea being that, you know, that's one of the only

(01:05:25):
ways to completely prevent the fairies from coming in and
taking your your chain, your baby and leaving a changeling
in between in its place. So that was actually a
preventative measure to like, you know, lock everything and not
allow anything to pass through it. In that regard, So

(01:05:48):
the idea that you know, fairies could pass or creatures
can pass through like very whatever kind of opening there
is in the home. It could be a door, it
could be a window, it could be through cupboard. I
mean to lock everything. You need to lock everything, all
the cupboards in the kitchen and everything. But I was

(01:06:08):
saying before, like like closets or.

Speaker 9 (01:06:13):
Not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
I'm not I'm not saying they're new new, like obviously
they've been around a while, but it wasn't it. It
needs to be as common that like every single bedroom
had a closet. So I think that that's why other
dark places like under the bed, behind the curtain, on

(01:06:35):
the other side of the window sill, those are you know,
places where the shadows sat and light didn't quite reach,
and that's where you know, other other worldly beings can
can come through.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
What's usually passing through? Is it ghosts? Is it something more?

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Well, I mean it's there's there's hundreds of uh, you know,
possibilities there maybe more than maybe more than hundreds. You know,
there's a lot of different schools of thought on what
ghosts are. Are they something that are you know, do
they exist? And as like us in the afterlife and

(01:07:21):
we come back, are they just sort of like you know,
repeat patterns. There's all kinds of like theories about that.
But I would say, like average, if I was gonna say,
like what goes through what comes through the shadows? Certainly
when we reach specific times for example, the you know,

(01:07:45):
leading up to Halloween and as we go into uh
Swayne and the sort of like darkest time of the year,
that's you know, the longer nights, the more darkness there is,
the more things can come through portal. I mean, and
a Halloween night, all kinds of stuff comes through from
the you know, they come out from a cave and

(01:08:05):
you got two headed werewolves and vampires and ghosts and
all kinds of like supernatural creatures. So I do think,
you know, there are certain times of the year when
there's the twelve days leading up to Christmas also peak
supernatural times with lots of lots of things running out

(01:08:28):
in the night that you wouldn't want to encounter. So
there's certain, you know, times of the year that it
seems like there's more of a gateway. But I mean sure,
I think less so ghosts. I feel like ghosts kind
of can just do their own thing. They can appear
whenever or wherever. It doesn't necessarily have to be from

(01:08:49):
the shadow realm. I think it's more important that it's
like at a time when you are, like we were
talking about, it happens a lot as you're relaxed and
go going to sleep, but all kinds of things could
come through. You could have that's when like the Brownies
and the Pixies and the hobgoblins come through and do

(01:09:10):
all their work tidying up your house or thrashing it
at night, you know, you could have. The pukahs are
usually out at night. You can't encounter them sometimes during
the day, but frequently they're seen at night, usually you've
been out too late. And pookahs in particular prey on

(01:09:32):
drunks and unreliable narrators. That's just sort of who their
victims tend to be. Part of the trickster element is
to create a situation in which no one's going to
believe you anyway, which is, you know, the trickster is

(01:09:52):
just kind of like deepening the madness that you experience
just for fun. What else could come through? Well, okay,
so then we haven't really talked about banshees. Banshees don't
really they're not They don't really come through a portal

(01:10:13):
so much as they come for a specific reason, which
is a little different than you know, I don't know,
like a ghost trying to come through and lift your
leg up or whatever. Might not have been a ghost,
Are you sure it might not have been? Could have
been like a whole collection of little trooping fairies that

(01:10:37):
wanted to carry you off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I wouldn't want the fairies to carry me off.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
No, I can't say the same.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Oh I know, I know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
You know, there's a lot of beautiful things in this world.
But exit stage left.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Well, let's let's talk a little bit about shadow beings here,
because a lot of people believe that they see shadows
in the closet or you know, maybe that's where the
ghosts from your home. Uh somehow have the ability to
to hide in those places. Do you think that you know,
shadow beings are there for various purposes, not.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Necessarily, and I hate to break it to people, but
they're not contained to a closet. That's just we got
to put them somewhere, and so that's that's we got
to say. That's where they are there. I mean, they

(01:11:49):
can go anywhere. So when you when you're talking about
shadow people, you're talking about like where people have actually
like sometimes they have even like some kinetic energy around
them right where Like I have a good friend that
has has When he was a kidd, he called it

(01:12:10):
the scribble Monster, and it was this shadow person that
would come to visit him regularly. But it had like
it like almost like popping energy on it, and he
like it, like it was scribbled in. It's not scary.
It's really really scary when he describes it, it's like

(01:12:31):
one of the scarier things I've ever heard, especially because
he was a kid too, so it would like come regularly.
I don't remember what you asked me. I just got
distracted by the scribbled monster.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
And like shadow people, whether or not they're they're just
completely dark entities energy wise.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
I really liked what you said before about the idea
that they were. They're they're more almost more like indicators
of something that's that's like happened to us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
So you know that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
From the people that I know that have told me
about shadow creatures or like sometimes the descriptions of hat
Man are also very like shadow creature. Like right, he's
basically a shadow, but he has a hat, So I
kind of put that phenomenon in that category. And that's
often accompanied by like sleep paralysis and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
You know, just.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
Or like a horrible kind of feeling coming over you,
mostly probably because you can't move and there's like a
giant shadowy creature looming over you. You know, I don't
I've never encountered a shadow creature that's not the kind
of so the kind of ghosts of that have haunted me.
I don't I put them in like ghost category. Do

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people not do that? Maybe that maybe that's maybe that's
not as common. But I think of them as like
another form of like ghosts, Like it's just that's how
it comes back, you know. Could be could be, but
could also be just you know, as I said, like

(01:14:26):
the Puka appears to kind of you know, play tricks
on you. But also there's a lesson there, So they
could be it could be a physical manifestation of something
that needs addressing in the physical realm, right like trauma,
trauma is not good trauma, grief, fear of something, not

(01:14:50):
the shadow people, but fear of like a great fear
of something in your life, which you know we all have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Let's get a couple of audience questions here. Let's start
off with Darryl. You said Christmas, is there a haunted
twelve Days of Christmas song? Or saying, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
If there's a haunted song, someone should write that actually
start to work on it now and it'll be out
in time for Christmas. But there's a few there. I
think I think I might have a poem in one
of my books that talks about kind of like a
rhyming ish poem talking about the twelve Days of Christmas.

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But there was a man.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
Named I think his name is Clement, Clement Miles, but
that might be the guy who wrote the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
It was the Night before Christmas. I think that's who
wrote twas the Night before Christmas. Anyway, there's just like
this period of time between you know, during the twelve
Days of Christmas, and for a lot of people that's
the twelve days actually after like leading up to like
what's considered the you know, the sixth of January is

(01:16:15):
like the Epiphany, I guess, But for in some cases
it's just the twelve days leading up to like Christmas,
even Christmas. But the idea there is that, you know,
the the veil, as we say, between this world and
the next is so thin that all manner of creatures

(01:16:35):
come through, and unlike on Halloween, when we have costumes
and bonfires and you know, glowing lanterns to protect us,
we're much more unsuspecting during this period of time, and
so we do have certain things that we put out
to protect our families. We don't realize that's what we're doing,

(01:16:59):
you know, the decoration, the lights that we put out,
the wreaths that we put on our door, that actually
are a way to kind of bring in prosperity and
ward off evil. So like Cedar is a great one
for warding off evil. But I read this one story.

(01:17:20):
I think I put the chap in one of the
chapters in my book. In I believe it's in. I
believe it's in the Fairious Pucas and Changeling's book. Anyway,
if you go out at midnight on Christmas Eve, you
are very likely to hear animals talk, and if you

(01:17:42):
draw water from the well, it will turn into blood.
You could get stolen away. Like, there's all kinds of
super super creepy stuff, way creepier than you even can
imagine on Halloween, and we expect it on Halloween, but well,
running with blood at the stroke of midnight on Christmas

(01:18:07):
Eve is is a little less expected.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Right, you don't want that, You don't want that, all right,
Let's get to another question here. Jennifer is asking what
is your opinion on bloody Mary?

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Oh, you mean the phenomenon where you just like say
it a bunch of times and she appears. Yes, it
doesn't work. I've tried it. It doesn't work. Oh, you know,
I think we've talked we've talked before about like Tulpa's
and stuff, where like collective thought can manifest something. So

(01:18:46):
there's certainly an element of that in there. But you know,
believe me, I've tried. Nothing happens. But I think what
what Bloody Mary and some of those stories harken back
to the time when like chanting and ritual was really powerful,
and it's a little reminder of that, especially if it's

(01:19:06):
a group of people with a like minded thought, right
everybody concentrate and say it into the mirror, that that
can actually be a really powerful you know, like Tibetan
chanting like you can be very healing. So that's yeah.
But I mean I've I've done it and nothing happened.

(01:19:28):
Look how I turned out. Heah you yeah, perfectly perfectly normal.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah you yeah. Yeah, that's what you will say. That's
what we will say. But it does go to the
whole creepy pasta notion that you know, some of these
legends allegedly work, and there are people out there who
believe that they do work, you know, and that they
have had that interaction. Wouldn't that become part of a

(01:19:56):
belief system for people looking for creepy experiences?

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Well, if you believe it's going to manifest, I mean
you can see the signs and you know, all anywhere
you want, Like, you can find a sign in almost anything.
I think, what we what we worry about, or what
we're like more leery of is you know, the whole

(01:20:25):
kind of setup for a horror movie is like you
do it and then you kind of laugh it off
and everything seems fine, and then little by little, you know,
something starts stalking you or coming after you from the
other realm or into your dreamscape or something like that.
I mean, I guess if you really, I mean, sure,

(01:20:48):
we all have belief systems and we all believe. Who
am I to critique? I wrote an entire book about Mermaids,
you know, so I'm I'm not criticizing anyone's belief system.
But yeah, I mean, if you believe something, it's mind
over matter. I mean, if I really believed I could

(01:21:11):
run a few blocks, I probably couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I'm not running, you know what.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
The only time I've really like gotten into running is
my friend turned me on to like this app where
it does did audio. It's like it tracks your movement
and everything like a like a pedometer, but it does
audio like zombies are chasing you.

Speaker 7 (01:21:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
It was like zombie apocalypse workout way. I know, right,
that's yeah, I should get I should try that again
because let.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Blue Cruise wants to know any thoughts on glib humanoids.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
I don't know what a glimmer humanoid is. You mean
like a shimmering being? Yeah, oh, if you, I mean,
yeah that I guess. There are a number of accounts
of that's how people see something that then you know,

(01:22:22):
is part of the fairy realm. You know, there's all
kinds of legends of things that sort of like manifest
out of the water in particular.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
In that way.

Speaker 9 (01:22:34):
I mean, I.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
I have never seen like what would be defined as
a glimmer humanoid. I don't think, but I have seen
and I don't I'm not like I'm not that eyegic
or whatever, but I've seen people glimmer I think it
just kind of like I've you know, like you can

(01:22:57):
see like some people can see auras. I cannot see auras,
but occasionally I can see if somebody's like really kind
of glowing. Maybe it means they're like, this is it
for them, this is their last round, They're chosen, they're
gonna ascend to you know, grand enlightenment, or they've stepped

(01:23:19):
through from another realm and they're just you know, acting normal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
For a lot of people, what the glimmering means is
is if you remember in the movie Predator with Arnold
Schwarzenegger and Jesse Ventura, they they had the Predator was
kind of like that glimmering blurry type creature.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I love that. Yeah, oh well that's more like scary.
I don't know, but I really love the term glimmer humanoid.
That's like talk about a good, good setup of words there,
glimmer human Oh well, in that case, they it would
be a little bit like not so positive. I think

(01:24:03):
of glimmering as like, you know, like a person who shimmers,
who glows.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah, no, it's it is something a little bit different,
but I mean it is something that people have claimed
to see, and a lot of times it happens around
UFO encounters as well.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Oooh okay, well I should look into that more because
that sounds very interesting. I think so Glimmer Humanoids dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
There you go, Barlow, I'm gonna get you to hold
on right there, because we are going to go to break.
At the bottom of the hour. We have Varlaventura for
another thirty minutes here on spaced out Radio. It is
always a pleasure to have the Queen of the Cryptids here.
Varlaventura dot Net is her website if you want to
check it on out, and I highly suggest to you.

(01:24:54):
Her books are at any major bookstore. You're listening space
down with your hopes. Dave Scott, all right, we're clear.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Sent you the pictures for the picture pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
All right, look at that? Did you Farla venture a
picture of me?

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Mhmm, yeah it looks owned in the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Now you don't totally.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
I'm just like happy, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I like that. I'm all like green, you are green.
People look at you either green with envy, green with envy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
And then we're we're doing like I'm just doing Oh
I'm holding my camera. I was like, what am I
doing with my hand there holding the camera? Also, I
didn't even see this question, which I'm really glad that
I screenshotted it because it's amazing how the area fifty two.
If you give black eyed kids black eyed pees to eat,

(01:26:52):
does the universe? Does the universe collapse? I didn't even
see it. I didn't see that question.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
That was great, nice, nice.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
Funny times.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Are you glad hockey season's over?

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
I mean it's kind of not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Are you going into spring hockey?

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
We're in spring and summer training now.

Speaker 10 (01:27:35):
Yeah, which is like he's got this great program that
he goes to as a goalie and they do this
during during the school year.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
It's god, sorry, it's two days a week, two weeks.
It's three days a week Sunday and like a Tuesday
and the Thursday night, and it's three hours an hour
vice I'm an hour of skills training and hour of
like strength training. And he does that all through He

(01:28:06):
did it last year and it really really very effective.
So he does that through June and then once summer hits,
it's they can go as many as five days a
week if they want. It's kind of like you just
pay this set fee and you can go as many
times as you want. But the actual hockey season with

(01:28:27):
like you know, going to games every night, and yeah,
I kind of relieved we have our team party this weekend.
I'm kind of relieved, but it's also like it was
his second year of Bantams.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
You know, so it was a little bittersweet. It's going forward.
It's high school if you make the high school team,
and then there's junior gold if you don't make the
high school team. But like association hockey is, this is
that he's done. He's done with it, and you know,

(01:29:05):
that's a little like just kind of happens rather fast,
just like hockey season ending. It's like you just finally
get to know all these people and tolerate them and
like them, and then it's over, and then you don't
talk to them for you know, six months. Some of
them have actually made quite.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
A few the parents that you can't stand that you're
all like, oh, I'm so glad it's over.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
I'm trying to think if there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Was like.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
There really wasn't anyone on this this year. It was
a lot of parents that I knew and a couple parents,
like there were some new parents that I didn't know,
but like there was a lot of I mean, at
this point, right we've had a lot of the same
kids at the same level so a couple of some

(01:29:56):
of my favorite people. Actually we had the same team,
which was great. Makes for great bus up to Duluth
or whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Know, the old Duluth travel then yeah, don't want to
be traveling to Duluth without a good hockey team. Let
me tell you we got twelve seconds. Big thank you
to Pat Times Too, Claudette, Gizmo, Mel, Blue Cruise Kitty,
and Area fifty four for the super chats. Greatly appreciate

(01:30:27):
your love and support. Here we go. We're into the

(01:30:48):
second half of spaced Out Radio. Let's kick things off
with the bar Laventura. My name is Dave Scott. I
am the host of this roller coaster ride of the
Weird and Strange. Varlavtura dot Net is her website as
we get ready to bring her on in with more
audience questions. If you want to find any of her books,

(01:31:08):
go to any major bookstore as well. You remember, those
books online aren't the same as going to a bookstore.
They really aren't. It's great to get mail, okay, we
all love getting mail in surprises, Okay, but there's nothing
like going to a bookstore and finding a book you like.

(01:31:32):
Try it again. Rekindle that relationship with books. Throw the
kindle out and rekindle your imagination by walking into a bookstore.
See how I played that? Wasn't that nice?

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
Yeah, really good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
You're on fire, absolutely magical right there. That's what I
get for having a good hair day.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Blue Cruise is asking what is your opinion on these
solid color, white, black, et cetera two dimensional stick figure
beings that have been seen worldwide.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I've never heard of stick figures.

Speaker 11 (01:32:16):
Like I don't know what this is, but in them,
in my mind, I do, right, I'm imagining like stick
figures walking around suddenly appearing sounds scary, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
All right, here's one that'll freak you out. We'll repeat
it from Blue here. Any thoughts on what happens when
one looks into a black mirror?

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
A black mirror is a wonderful tool for scrying, and
it is a great tool, especially when working with the dead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
I think I've only heard of a black mirror like once.
What are they?

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
It's this just a mirror that's like shiny black instead
of shiny silver. That's that's that's what it isn't ritual.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Anyway would it make me look better?

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
Well, you you would only see the whatever is like
reflected in it. Like it's like looking into a black
like an obsidian crystal ball. Okay, it's just reflecting like
the light that is, you know, Like That's that's why
it works, because you basically can like space out and

(01:33:29):
then see what's in there and get like messages and
images from that. I mean, that's how I've I've got
I've got a couple of I've got an obsidian ball,
and I've got a black ball and a black like
scrying mirror. That's that's what I use it for. You know,

(01:33:53):
black is also a color that can absorb a lot
of negativity, so it can be a really positive thing
to have in your house actually, to have have like
something that will take take the negative energy and just
sort of slurp it up and keep it away from you.
I used to always put black obsidian next to my

(01:34:14):
son's bed at night actually, speaking of like nightmares and
little things that we do to protect our children, I
would just put that next to his bed. I think
I had like a little just like a little chunk
of of citian that came from California actually beautiful black
obsidian and just to just in case absorb anything negative

(01:34:36):
that's coming through, so it wouldn't enter into his into
his dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Not cute in that, that's very nice, very thoughtful. Parah
Marv is asking are doppel gangers inherently evil or just different?
Any theories on the source of them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
So I think they're a little bit in the like
trickster realm and doppulicats are interesting because it's it's like,
are they Is it a time slip where one person
really actually is appearing in two places at the same time,
but they have no memory of it because they're only

(01:35:18):
able to like remember and live in one existence. Is
it a duplicate of I mean, that's the scariest is
when there's like the voice throwing or something appearing like
you know, your sibling or your mom or your kid

(01:35:41):
or whatever, and like throwing the voice so that it
sounds like them, but you know that your child's like
tucked into bed in the other room, you're hearing this
kind of voice calling you. Those are kind of scary
to me. Those stories where it's like something in ersonating
something else that feels a little bit more.

Speaker 9 (01:36:03):
On the.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
You don't know what you're gonna get kind of situation.
It's like, you know, that's it's like the clown on
the at the Haunted House, which is sort of a
wild card, right because they have all this makeup on,
they can kind of get away with anything. So it's like, oh,
maybe not, maybe not go into the funhouse. So I
wouldn't again, like I have a very difficult time labeling

(01:36:31):
things as evil, so I wouldn't say they're inherently evil.
But I think there's definitely some like dark trickery afoot,
in particular with the appearance of something that looks like
someone else trying to get them to do something else,

(01:36:51):
like come outside at night, or I remember hearing one story.
I think it was like late last year. I was
listening to the Jim Harrell Campfire stories and there was
this He's got all there's always a doppelganger, you know,
every couple of episodes there's something kind of doppelganger like,
and he's he's done a lot of research into those,

(01:37:12):
I think, And but there was one story where it
was like that, you know, this kid's dad was outside
on the street calling for him, and he was so
confused because it was like the middle of the night
and it's like dad was calling for him outside, but
like his dad was sleeping down the hall. So that

(01:37:32):
kind of doppelganger thing is pretty freaky. There's also that
like you know there, I mean people will say that occasionally, right,
like I saw your doppelganger, Like I saw someone who
was just like you. I think people have similar energies
and appearances. And you know how you if you if
you looked and you analyzed like your earliest childhood friends

(01:37:56):
and like what sort of personality types they met, and
and you looked at like your modern or your like
current friends or friend group, you might find people that
fit in, you know, like you're a Phoebe or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
All right, you ready for another one?

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Yeah, let's go to J.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Have you ever moved a handheld mirror around you to
find and see otherwise invisible beings.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
I have used a handheld mirror in the same way
that I've used a black mirror. I've used it for
scrying or for like some form of ritual or magic.
And I have a beautiful one that belonged to a grandmother.
So I've done that with a hand mirror. I've never

(01:38:49):
really done it to look for anything or if I
if I have, I haven't. You know, I didn't see anything.
That's an interesting practice. I don't have a lot of
I have seen maybe five or six ghosts or paranormal

(01:39:15):
creatures in my life, and I have felt like probably
dozens more or heard. So I don't always get like
visual I don't always get the visual encounter. So I
don't even know if that would work for me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
When you mentioned the word scrying, for people who may
not know what that is, please explain.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Yeah, scrying is just a form of divination basically where
you sort of look into something. It could be a
crystal ball, it could be a dish of water. Water
is often used in scrying. It could be like a
mirror or some kind of reflective surface, and you look

(01:40:05):
into this and you sort of like free your mind
and kind of get into a meditative state, and then
you can see I mean, that's that's where the image
is from. The crystal ball. That's that's where it comes from.
That you're you're looking in and you're and you're clearing
your mind enough, and crystal clears your mind and you know,
can kind of like act as a conduit and then

(01:40:25):
you are able to either see what's coming through your
third eye or you actually are able to physically see
something before you that you can translate as a message.
That's what scrying is. Sometimes people use other tools with scrying,
or they'll set it up with like a pendulum or
something like that. But basically, I like to define scrying

(01:40:46):
as like spacing out for psychic reasons and and and
it's and and that's we use. We need these tools
because we do need something to concentrate on to help
us not be so distracted by the world around us.

(01:41:06):
Totally different than using a spirit board or something for contact.
This is different. You're not trying to you can potentially
make contact through scrying, but you're often the goal with
scrying is to get into a meditative and psychic state
and then get some messages and images.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Through that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Scrying.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Moving on back to Blue. Could these thought form sightings
and encounters be mistaken for a shadow or glimmering being
I'm not really sure what this question means, but I'm
going to try and put it together here, Like I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
Thinking, like we were talking about like Tulpa's right, yes,
where Yeah, collective thought could be mistaken certainly, I mean,
the collective thought is imagining that there's I shouldn't say imagining,
but like in other words, I just I'm unclear. Do

(01:42:11):
we mean that it's actually a shadow or glimmer being
and it's sort of like lurking and it wants us
to think it's just a collective thought form or is
it the other way around? The collective thought form is manifesting.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Okay, so let me add to this a little bit. Okay,
are we talking about with thought forbs? Are we talking
about our mind creating this, or are we talking about
about something we're manifesting, you know, energetically instead.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
I mean, I don't know, I don't know, but I
don't know if those things are actually that different. Really.
You know, there was that study whatever twenty years ago
where people sat around in a room and they they
had like a dish of water, and they had people

(01:43:14):
just put negative thoughts into this water, negative thoughts, and
then they analyzed They of course, looked at the water
molecules before, they looked at the water molecules after, and
they had this very distinct pattern. And then they did
the same thing and they had everybody putting positive thoughts,
positive thoughts and the water molecules changed again. So obviously

(01:43:38):
our collective minds do have the ability to alter actual reality,
but we have so many things in the way, you know,
we have so many blockages. So that's where you know,
something like scrying and other tools like that can actually
help unblock those, you know, the belief systems that keep

(01:44:03):
us from being able to break down those barriers. That
didn't answer that question because I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Really that that's fine, that works for me. Let's go
to our next question here. Let's go to pat here.
What advice do you have for wanting to try to
see if you can get more information on the black
eyed children without getting hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
I would look into Rosemary Ellen Guiley's books. She's passed
away now, but she is one of the people that
I think did the most and most trustworthy and least
sensationalized work on black eyed children. So I would recommend
her books. And she was a frequent guest on Coast

(01:44:52):
to Coast talking about black eyed children, a very prolific author,
wrote about a lot of different things. And actually I
was on a show with her one time and black
Eyed children came up and off air, I said to her,
do you think they could be change links, and we
kind of had a little discussion, you know, it's two

(01:45:13):
minute discussion off air about that during the break.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
So you know.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
That's what I would do. That's that's where I would start.
Go that route. Go to hey, we were really plugging
books today. Go to your bookstore or or you know,
look wherever books are sold. Rosemary Ellen Guile, I think
it's g u y l e y. I know she
wrote a book on black eyed children, and I can

(01:45:41):
I can vouch for her as a researcher more than
you know. I'm sure if you look it up, there's
lots of people have written about it. But I can
just vouch for her her work because I had a
lot of respect and admiration for her. So, yeah, do
that actually out now now? I kind of. I don't

(01:46:01):
think I have a copy of I don't remember if
she'd had one or multiple books on this subject, I
don't know. I know, we could have a book club,
everybody out there in space outland book for you know,
a Rosemary own Guily book on black eyed children, and
then we'll come back and discuss.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Yeah. David Weatherley, who's a good friend of mine, a book, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
He's a wonderful Yes, he's also would be a great,
great resource. David Weatherley. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
And they may have actually, I think they knew each other,
David Weatherley and Rosemary, and certainly they must have overlapped
over the years just because of the subject matter that
they both write about.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
David's amazing, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
He's a great writer and and he's actually a really
good you know, like there's a lot of people out
there that are writing about these things and it's all
kind of fascinating. But it's not always easy to read
this because of you know, skills.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Explain the changeling phenomena. What's that Explain the changeling phenomena.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
Okay, a changeling is a fairy switch. So a changeling
is essentially a fairy child that is left in place
of a human child, and the human child is taken
away to the fairy realm and is given this rather
delightful hybrid life living among the fairies and given all

(01:47:45):
kinds of sort of supernatural gifts are bestowed upon them.
So it's kind of a good good deal for the
human child in many ways, not so much for the
human parents, and then the the change length then is
the fairy child that's left in place of the of
the human child. And this is like usually a few

(01:48:09):
things kind of stand out. It's not always recognizable at first,
but a few things stand out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
They may be growing a little faster than the average rate.
They may have like an extraordinary intellect at a young age,
be walking sooner. Usually are gifted with musical and artistic
talents that are a little bit above and beyond your

(01:48:38):
average person.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
And you know, there's.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
I think they're like I personally consider b York changeling.
I think she's got you know, very realm vibes and
her voice is the greatest evidence for that. But we
I do want to just say one thing, and that
is that we do know today a lot more about

(01:49:08):
medicine and birth defects and neurodivergence. And so once upon
a time, any child that was born with anything that
wasn't one hundred percent robust and normal. It could be,
you know, a malformed finger or you know, a foot

(01:49:30):
that turned in. They were often considered to be changelings.
And sometimes that was okay, but oftentimes it sort of
created like an outcast kind of situation. And so I
just want to recognize that today, like a lot of
a lot of when we look back, you really have
to read between the lines because they're really just talking

(01:49:51):
about you know, like down syndrome or something like that.
And it's not not something that we would we would
you know, we wouldn't say that's a change today. A
but the telltale signs typically are you know this like
other worldly kind of musical and artistic talents as they

(01:50:12):
grow up. Do you think that's changing now?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Do they do? They always live in that Peter Pan
type child world.

Speaker 5 (01:50:24):
No, No, they grow up. They're human. They grow up.
They they I mean they grow up like a human.
They they age, you know, they just age as if
they're a regular child, but maybe not quite right like
they maybe they grow faster, perhaps they live a bit
longer and they have these uh supernatural abilities at the

(01:50:49):
same time. So no, it's like like parents sometimes don't
even know or aren't really sure and often and you
know you're a parent, you love your kid anyway, like
you're gonna love that that baby no matter what. So

(01:51:09):
if it's got I mean, it could be anything too,
Like if there was a you know if there was
like a birthmark or something like major birthmarks were sometimes
thought to be like marks from the fairy realm use,
all kinds of things ascribed to that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
I guess what I'm saying is when I mentioned the
Peter pam uh, you know, childlike is I don't see
a lot of people or kids today really wanting to
grow up. Yes, they're doing things faster, Okay, kids are
more technologically advanced. They're you know, they're very promiscuous there.

(01:51:50):
They are very you know, curious about about their their
being and their and their purpose and everything. And I've
learned this from my two daughters. So and when I
say promiscuous, I don't mean sexually, so you know, even
though I'm sure that's probably going on, but as a dad,
I don't really want to think about that, right, But

(01:52:13):
we're promiscuous with our minds and our curiosity, and we're
not really you know, if I look at like my
parents' generation or my grandparents' generation, it was all about
you go through childhood, you work on the farm or
you work somewhere, and then you hopefully don't have to
go to war, and then you come back, you get

(01:52:36):
married and before you're twenty three, Okay, you get your
family started, you grow your family. Everything is work, family
and food and sleep and if you're lucky, maybe a vacation. Man,
it sounds like today's society to be blunt. But when
we look at that, yeah, actually, but when we look

(01:52:57):
at today's kids, they're more accepted. Thing. You know, they
don't care what you look like. They don't care about
your sexuality, they don't care about your religion, they don't
They just want to live. And there's that childlike innocence,
that Peter Pan type innocence. It kind of goes along
with that Varlin And that's kind of what I was
aiming at.

Speaker 5 (01:53:17):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I certainly see that. I see
that with my son and his friends. And you know,
sure they they might act tough when they're walking into
the rink, but yeah, they're all playing Minecraft. Like they're
still playing Minecraft.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
It's yeah, I think I would agree with that. I
think that, you know, the generations that are kind of
coming up to like mid twenties or so right now,
back and then younger, there is less of a hurry
to jump into the grind of things, certainly, certainly compared

(01:54:04):
to like the experience I had growing up, and you
and I are the same age. Like when I was
that age, I thought, you know, I was like trying
to move out of the house. I think I moved
out when I was seventeen, so I, you know, that's
really young. And I think that there's there's an extra

(01:54:26):
I know what you mean. I could quite put my
finger on it, but there's like an extra innocence there.

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Speaker 14 (02:02:41):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller.
In tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 15 (02:02:58):
Let me start by giving a little background on myself
from where I grew up. My name is Chris, and
I live in a small town in north central North Carolina.
This first story takes place on the farm where I
grew up, and I was around fourteen at the time.
The land we owned was about thirty acres of mostly trees,
and what is pretty much the center of the property

(02:03:20):
standings this sold tree. The tree is not and has
never been dead, but it would never grow any leaves
and always look dead. This particular day, I had come
home from school, and as usual, my dad had not
gotten home from work yet. As he often didn't until
around seven, sometimes even later, so I had to entertain

(02:03:40):
myself by finishing chores and eventually taking my dad's rifle,
which is a simple twenty two semi auto, and walked
the property. I hadn't the intention to actually hunt anything.
The rifle was only for protection. Even though a twenty
two isn't much, it did make me feel safer anyway.
I walked all the way down to the end of

(02:04:01):
the property and goofed around a little before I noticed
the sun was going down, knowing I needed to head
back before the darkness set in, not because I could
get lost, because the path was very well beaten, so
much you could probably drive a very large truck on it.
But I wanted to get back because I wanted to
be in the house before my dad got back. So

(02:04:21):
on my way back, I took a hastened pace. I
began to hear footsteps in the trees to my left.
I paid it little mine, mostly because it was midsummer
and the woods are full of critters, so I assumed
it was a squirrel or something of the like, so
I kept going. Keep in mind, my house is near
the very front of the property, so it takes a
long time to walk from the very back. As I

(02:04:45):
kept going, I could hear the footsteps continue, but I
noticed they were very loud and sounded very heavy. Now,
these woods are very dense, but the trees are thin
and spread out for about fifty or sixty yards deep
from the path, so you can see fairly well into
the trees. I couldn't see anything that could have been
making that much noise. Given how big the sound, you
would think it would have been easy to spot, but

(02:05:07):
there was nothing. I continued to walk, and of course,
as I continued, I did see the steps in the trees.
At this point, I had enough and decided to stop
and face the trees in the direction of the steps,
not realizing where I was, which was almost perfectly in
line with the aforementioned tree, I fired a few rounds

(02:05:27):
into the woods and waited. I didn't hear anything, so
I decided just to move more quickly to home. But
as I turned and took a step towards home, the
moment my foot touched the ground, I heard the voice
of a woman whisper in my ear. Now what truly
terrified me is that I felt the heat of the
breath of my ear. As soon as I did, my

(02:05:49):
eyes did what I can only describe as the vertico effect.
It's a bit anticlimactic, but that terrified me for a very,
very long time. My second story takes place on the
same property, but inside the house, this time a little
backstory on the house. It was at least one hundred

(02:06:10):
years old. My dad told me that when we first
moved there in the nineties, the house had no foundation
or running water. Now this day, I was around twelve
years old, and as I'm on the second floor of
the house looking through one of those closets out of boredom,
and I stepped on one of my sister's old baby
alive dolls and it started crying, which made me jump

(02:06:32):
up because I didn't see it and it was the
last thing I was expecting. So I picked it up
and was going to take the batteries out so it
would stop. When I turned the doll around and opened
the veilcrow that hid the batteries, I noticed that there
were not only no batteries, but the entire housing for
the battery pack was gone. And the moment I noticed this,
it started crying even louder and began to wiggle I

(02:06:55):
freaked out and threw the doll back into the closet
and ran down the stairs. As soon as I got
to the stairs, I leap from the top stair to
the first floor in one bound and straight out the
front door, where I stayed outside till my dad got home.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
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Speaker 16 (02:07:30):
The stars tonight, stay him sky Grin's Store, Breaking Through
comes into view, raising everything slip.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
Because a song. All right, big bad Grant Baker. It's
always good to have you here, my man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
How you doing doing pretty good? Brother? It's good to
be here.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
Yeah, it's been a while since we had you on
because you kind of got preempted by a couple of
days due to my travels to San Francisco a UFO con.

Speaker 3 (02:08:36):
How'd that go out for you? Anyway?

Speaker 7 (02:08:38):
I saw a bunch of videos. You look like you
have a lot of fun. It was that huge picture
of you on the wall with your tongue hanging out.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
Well, yeah, I got to explain that. Paul Heineck the
son of doctor j Allen Heineck. He speaks at a
lot of UFO conferences, and a few years ago at
UFO Con, him and I kind of started making fun

(02:09:10):
of each other and putting us in each other's presentations.
So Paul decides or a couple of years ago when
this started, probably in twenty twenty two is when it
really started to light up. We spoke at UFO con together,

(02:09:32):
and then we spoke at the MUFON conference in Denver,
and so I always, you know, go up there and
I say, you know, I put a picture of Paul
up and I and it usually has a little statement
of you know, Paul is not funny. Don't laugh at
his bad humor. It's terrible, you know, like we're talking

(02:09:54):
like like Ray Romano type of bad. You know, people
who think they're funny but they're not, you know, Bob
Saget type of humor. Not funny, you know. And so
it's just kind of continued. So this year, I, you know,
me being an MC, I'm not speaking but Paul decides
to put me in there and do an ai picture

(02:10:15):
of my eyes crossed, my tongue hanging out of the
side of my mouth, like I'm some sort of dog
waiting for a treat. So it's all in great fun
and it was funny. But because going back to twenty
twenty two, when when I spoke at Moufon's symposium in Colorado,

(02:10:38):
I had a big sign up that was like, you know,
Paul Heinek is speaking here, and he's sitting in the
stands probably twelve rowers in and I'm like, this is
my remindered all of you, he's not funny. When he's
on stage tomorrow. Don't laugh at his jokes because they
really are not funny, Okay. And the next day he

(02:11:00):
he just roasted me on stage and people were coming
up to both him and I separately. What's with this
feud between you and Dave Scott? Do you guys not
like each other? And we are just absolutely, you know,
laughing our guts out over this. But I love Paul Heinek.
He is just absolutely incredible and and we'll leave it

(02:11:25):
at that.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
I love it. It was great and it looked like
you guys were having a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
Yes, it was, it was great fun. I still got
to post my pictures. I got a bunch of pictures
with a bunch of great people, and so I got
to post those yet on my Instagram at Dave Scott
sor at Spaced Out Radio show on Instagram. Both of
those and we'll figure it out out. Big news coming

(02:11:50):
out of the UFO world today regarding legendary investigative journalist
George Knapp, and do you want to take this one
or do you want me to?

Speaker 7 (02:12:03):
You're talking about the tension between George Knapt and Mark
Christopher ly.

Speaker 1 (02:12:07):
Well, let's break that down for a second. First, Mark
Christopher Lee, he came out about a month and a
half ago stating that he had sources claiming Donald Trump
had a speech prepared to disclose. And he eventually came
out and stated that his source may have been Nevada

(02:12:32):
billionaire Robert Bigelow. And he has been putting some text
messages and pictures out on X especially kind of trying
to hint and prove that his source was tied to
Robert Bigelow. Well, George Knapp went on X today and

(02:12:54):
it's actually quite quite humorous. This show us a little
bit of anger with this, so so Mark Christopher Lee
posted on x saying, for those who keep messaging me
regarding my source and Trump's UFO speech, here's an email

(02:13:15):
from one of the sources, Robert Bigelow, Mark, I wanted
to reach out to you privately regarding this situation. There
continues to be considerable pushback from certain elements who effectively
control the UFO agenda. These forces are determined to prevent
any form of true disclosure. I've used what influence I

(02:13:37):
possess to advocate for more meaningful transparency, but it has
become clear that what will be released will amount to
little more than superficial tidbits. Nothing of substance will address
the true mystic nature of the phenomena. Your recent efforts
are noted. These matters are complex and deeply layered, yours

(02:13:59):
RB now. George Knapp has been friends with Robert Bigelow
for forty years plus, so he responded on this tweet.
He says, this is BS but spelling it out. I
spoke to Robert Bigelow less than thirty minutes ago. He

(02:14:20):
says he has never met, spoken to, or emailed mister Lee.
Anyone who knows mister b is aware he would never
share private sensitive info. Was some random UFO guy in
a foreign country. It is not only false but preposterous. Now,
allegedly these two met at a film festival where Mark

(02:14:45):
Christopher Lee had a documentary that he did on consciousness
and after life and the spiritual phenomena, and allegedly Robert
Bigelow took that in and that's how they maybe have met.
But is it George Napp being as good as George

(02:15:08):
Napp is and intrepid as he is with his friendship
with Robert Bigelow, or is somebody covering something up?

Speaker 7 (02:15:18):
What's your thoughts, Grat I've never thought about the cover
up aspect of it, to be honest with you. I mean,
when Nap was going on and on about it, I mean,
there's quite a few things that he had said in
rebuttal to this, and you can totally tell Nap was
actually kind of backing Bigelow up on this particular matter,

(02:15:42):
you know, And it just there's so much circulating that's
out there when it comes to how he responded.

Speaker 3 (02:15:52):
If Napp knows something and he doesn't want it out yet,
is he covering it up for his friend is he.

Speaker 7 (02:15:58):
I mean the very last thing that he said, he
had cautioned people, and it was his audience about least sources,
and he was suggesting they fall into a trap of
circular reporting and where a rumor is repeated until it's
treated as fact. And that was one of his takeaways

(02:16:21):
from it, leaving people with that in their heads. And
I mean, honestly, it's you could tell that to people
and then once you put that seated doubt in their head.

Speaker 3 (02:16:32):
Then you're effectively covering it up as well. So it
could go both ways.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
Well, I think the reason why there's two ways this
could go. And I know George Knapp sometimes listens to
this show and I'm a big fan of his, big
big fan, you know, I mean that beard of knowledge
that he has regarding the UFO subject. I don't think
there is any journalist out there that is more tied

(02:16:59):
into the program than George Napp. And the one thing
that I will say about this is George is very
calculated as a journalist. He's been a journalist for nearly
fifty years. He is you know, you don't see journalists
today stay at one station for their entire television career

(02:17:22):
which George has, which he's won Emmy Awards, Journalism awards.
The guy is top notch. Okay. I know a lot
of people feel that his reputation was tainted because of
the bombastic Jeremy corbel you know, kind of those two.
You know, they're like Abbott and Costello at times.

Speaker 3 (02:17:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:46):
But I think George Napp is a very good calming
effect for Jeremy, who is a loose cannon. And I
mean that with all due respect to both gentlemen, because
I do have that high respected regard for both of them.
But I would say this, George Napp and Robert Bigelow

(02:18:11):
just aren't professional and courteous to each other. They're friends, Okay,
it was it was Bigelow who originally made a radio
show with Napp, Art Bell and I believe Linda Moulton
Howe in the nineties that eventually turned into Coast to

(02:18:38):
Coast AM. We're dealing with somebody who has an extremely
tight relationship with Robert Bigelow. I believe George Napp over
Mark Christopher Lee. I think Mark Christopher Lee may have
been played. I'm not saying he's lying. A lot of

(02:18:58):
people will and in the UFO world today, a lot
of people come out Grant and they will say, oh,
he's a grifter. I hate that term. I hate that
term grifter. Okay, he may have been played, he may
have been innocent and was just relaying what he was told.

Speaker 3 (02:19:21):
That could very well be.

Speaker 7 (02:19:23):
I had a little bit different statement that I had
written down about it. And because there's friction, it's it's
kind of like a URF war over the credibility. And
because just like you say, NAP is widely considered the
authoritative journalistic voice on the Vegas Big Low.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Harry Reid connection to you, Lee.

Speaker 7 (02:19:42):
Coming from a UK based filmmaking background, he's kind of
seen as especially here in the US, as you know,
the US inner circle, as an outsider trying to capitalize
on the current disclosure momentum. And you can't break into
that circle when you're coming from that platform unless this

(02:20:04):
is something that you've been doing for years and you
gained credibility over it. Then at that point I could
see that he might have a little bit of a
step in or his foot in the door, so to speak.
But in this particular instance, everything that I had read
up on the situation it doesn't seem like that's the case.
It's more just like you say, I hate the word drifter,
but you know, there's a lot of people trying to

(02:20:27):
capitalize right now on what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Here's the other thing too, though. Okay, the one thing
I will say about people like George Knapp is that
they are very much in the note. I would love
to have George Knapps rolodex, I really would go. And
UFOs are such a a They're a big portion of

(02:20:54):
what he does, but they're also a very small portion.
I mean, this is a guy who does a lot
about I'M reporting and council reporting. You know, he digs
in deep for his journalism. I mean, it's not just
about UFOs with him, you know. I mean that may
be his passion, but it is something that I believe

(02:21:18):
he is. He is well adept at talking to people
if you look at his connections. Okay. He did say
something though that I did not agree with on this,
and that that statement is where he said I'm just
going to read it here with some random UFO guy
in a foreign country. We have seen numerous accounts of

(02:21:45):
people from a foreign country getting news broken, whether it's
been here in Canada, but mostly one gentleman from Australia
in Coltheart. Yes, he's hired by News Nation in the
US to be their UFO reporter and investigator on it,

(02:22:11):
but Christopher Sharp. And for a long time, if you
really dig deep into the podcast world, there was a
time when the entire lou Crew, Louella Zondo Crewe would
only go on British podcasts or people from the UK.

(02:22:32):
This was after their failed attempt in Canada to bring
the threat narrative to the Canadian government. So I don't
agree with George Knapp on that one, but maybe it
was a shot at all of these alleged UFO insiders
communicating about what's happening in the US with foreign journalists.

Speaker 7 (02:23:02):
Your thoughts, Yeah, there's been quite a few filled attempts.
The one that you speak of was a fairly gnarly
attempt that went through. There was much more than lieu
of that panel, if I remember correctly, It was quite
a few years ago. And those hiccups are the ones
that keep our momentum from going forward. And just like

(02:23:27):
you say, this is a global phenomenon. This isn't something
that just the United States are just Canada or Australia
is experiencing. This is global and if there's somebody out there,
even if they're in a different country and they catch
something amazing, by all means, get it out there, get
it out there.

Speaker 3 (02:23:46):
Let's keep this ball moving in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
I agree with you. So we got about thirty seconds
to go. Okay, but there is something to be said
when you know, hey, good reporters will always find a
way to get a story. And if we take say
Christopher Sharp from the Liberation Times, who I consider a
great journalist, Okay, he is going to find a way

(02:24:14):
to get a story. He's going to find a way
to build the contacts and he's going to get it.
That works, that's working hard, that's doing your job as
a journalist. However, when you see the lack of experienced
journalists talking about this subject, that's where it's concerning. And

(02:24:36):
then it makes you wonder why the news goes elsewhere.
This is spaced out radio and your host names Scott

(02:25:03):
tom King is asking Dave, I was wondering if this
guy is even real at all? UFO catfish by AI
of a person who doesn't exist post fake news, then
social media boughts make it go viral. That's a good question, Tom.
But I know Mark Christopher Lee is real because he's
been on this show. So but that is a good comment,

(02:25:24):
though I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:25:30):
There's a lot to be said there. Well, you went
to UFO con.

Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
Are you gonna be at mcminlands?

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
Man?

Speaker 3 (02:25:47):
No, got, It's only a few hours drive for me.

Speaker 1 (02:25:52):
I know, buddy, I know, I'd.

Speaker 3 (02:25:56):
Love love it if you were down here. Man, I'd
love to see you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
With everything that I'm doing right now, it's just going
to be really tough. It's going to be really tough.
I'm expecting an extremely busy summer, probably the basiciest summer
I've ever had, so any of.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
Them include the United States. So you're going to be
coming down here a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:26:23):
No, I wish, I wish. I'll tell you here's a
true story about the exchange rate. I took out from
the bank machine two hundred dollars at the hotel. Because
when I go to these conferences, I like to buy
from the vendors. Okay, I don't need the stuff they're

(02:26:48):
selling or pedaling. I don't, but I do it because
they're there supporting the conference. Okay, And they've paid money
to be at that conference to hopefully make a few bucks,
so I always like to support them, right. I don't
buy from every table, but I definitely spend a couple

(02:27:12):
hundred dollars at the tables trying to trying to help
these people out. Maybe it's a book, maybe it's a bracelet,
maybe it's something really cool in a UFO or Bigfoot
or whatever it is. And it cost me three hundred
and fifteen dollars for two hundred dollars American. What yeah? Oh,

(02:27:40):
cost me three hundred and fifteen dollars for two hundred
dollars American.

Speaker 3 (02:27:45):
Thank god? You won't going to euros.

Speaker 1 (02:27:48):
That's a dollar fifty dude, Yeah, dollar fifty dollar fifty
one exchange.

Speaker 3 (02:27:58):
That's a diculous I can attest you. Do you go
to the vendors. I've seen you do it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:08):
Yeah? Oh yes, we've about two minutes so, I mean
with an exchange rate like that, like I can't afford
to go h So we'll see where it goes. Got

(02:28:42):
about a buck forty great, you're awfully quiet tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (02:28:48):
I got I got my seven year old to wake
with me right now. And baby was fuzzing. Jen had
to go to bed with him at seven thirty. And
so Donnie here is hanging out. He's watching old air
cooled VW buses, people doing camping.

Speaker 1 (02:29:09):
And the nice.

Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
One.

Speaker 1 (02:29:17):
Hey man, he's just enjoying hanging out with dad.

Speaker 3 (02:29:22):
Yeah, you know, hoping I'll turn the PS five on
after this.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
He's hoping that you're just gonna rip one right here
and make him laugh.

Speaker 3 (02:29:30):
Oh, I do it all day long anyway, he doesn't
laugh anymore. He rolled his eyes. Yeah, you're rolling your
eyes with me right now.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
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(02:30:48):
spaced Out radio. It's a UFO report. We bring in
Grant Baker right now, Grant, how you doing, Buddy?

Speaker 3 (02:30:55):
Good? My man, good seeing you, good being here. Hello,
everybody is.

Speaker 1 (02:30:58):
Listening, all right? What else do you got for a steink? Grant?

Speaker 3 (02:31:03):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 7 (02:31:04):
Well, besides, if we keep going down the thread of
who we're talking about, I did want to bring back in.
We talked about this a last week actually, and it's
the situation of Major General William McCaslin. Did you see
the updates on that yet?

Speaker 1 (02:31:23):
I've seen some, and there's one that's actually a little
bit shocking. I don't know. I don't know. If you
tell your story then I'll fill in.

Speaker 3 (02:31:33):
Oh right, yeah, No.

Speaker 7 (02:31:34):
So we're on day twenty seven of since he's been gone,
and there was a timeline.

Speaker 3 (02:31:39):
You know, everybody knows about the missing gear.

Speaker 7 (02:31:42):
Did you talk about the sweatshirt that they found was
an Air Force sweatshirt about a mile and a half
mile and a quarter.

Speaker 3 (02:31:49):
Away from his home.

Speaker 7 (02:31:52):
There was no blood obviously found on it, and it
has yet to be definitively confirmed to belong to him,
but they think that it was and the FBI and
law enforcement involved the involvement of the search is escalated
from a local silver alert to a multi agency federal operation. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:32:16):
I don't know what this is or what's really going on.
I really don't. It is very weird. Now there's a
report coming out in the Daily Mail that a sixth
scientist has vanished.

Speaker 3 (02:32:36):
Oh no, yeah, dude.

Speaker 7 (02:32:41):
There was a video that I had watched and it
was one of those shorts you know what I'm talking
about that you catch on YouTube on the algorithm every
now and then, Yes, and it said something about that,
and I just happened to kind of gloss over it.
The fact that all of these scientists have been in

(02:33:01):
this department, in this field of UFOs and have common
knowledge of some of these craft and things that we
would love to know about, are all of a sudden
becoming missing.

Speaker 3 (02:33:14):
What what in the world?

Speaker 7 (02:33:15):
This is no longer random and this is You're getting
a rabbit trail of you know, footprints going down the
stands here like people.

Speaker 3 (02:33:28):
We need to start taking this a little bit more seriously.

Speaker 1 (02:33:31):
I think we do need to take it more serious,
because there are there is something happening. And look, if
it was one or two, I mean, okay, if you
take Neil McCaslin and Monica Raisa. Okay, Raisa was mccaslyn's assistant,
they worked together, Okay, they were both read in on

(02:33:54):
the UFOs, they were both read in on other things.
But then you start adding it up that there's been
a couple more who've been found deceased, including one already
in March. And when you add it all up and
you put it all together, I never thought for a second,
my friend, that this could be UFOs when it was

(02:34:16):
just McCaslin and Raisa. Okay, yes, Raisa went missing in California,
mccaslin's in New Mexico. But they were close enough where
you would think that maybe, just maybe there was something
going on there. And then the other ones pop by,

(02:34:37):
And to have six scientists now disappear within a ear
of each other, this is getting absolutely ridiculous. And considering that,
according to Tim Burschett, all of them had been read
in on the UFOs and testified. Is there some group

(02:34:57):
out there right now that is, you know, taking a
little bit of Manchurian candidate justice. I don't know. It's
weird and people need to pay attention, Like you said, Grant, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:35:15):
When you start seeing the common denominator is UFOs. It
is what the phenomenal we're seeing all across flow. And
when you have scientists that are read into this, and
those specific scientists are hitting media saying hey, or people
are looking it up finally and finding out that these
people are missing all within the last twelve months or

(02:35:37):
you know, give or take.

Speaker 3 (02:35:40):
At that point, the red flags are starting to raise
fairly quickly. So who's next?

Speaker 7 (02:35:46):
You know, do we have to find another person that
was read in and warn them or do they already know?
And is that the reason why, you know, the general
himself decided I'm just gonna walk. I don't want to
be disappeared, and how some place that he's heightened or
you know, it could be anything. This is a topic

(02:36:06):
that we need to start kind of digging into. In fact,
I'm gonna go ahead and do a check mark on
that and send a recommendation to myself to start digging
into this little more for us.

Speaker 1 (02:36:19):
Yeah, I don't know, dude, I really don't know what
else you got for us.

Speaker 7 (02:36:24):
My friend, oh my, so I was just talking to
you in the break just for a second about mcminimons.

Speaker 3 (02:36:31):
So mcminimons is it's the.

Speaker 7 (02:36:34):
UFO Festival often called UFO Fest or anybody out there.

Speaker 3 (02:36:38):
It's in McMinnville organ. I love Mcmanville's Mcminnimu's. I actually
have pictures that I just went there last summer.

Speaker 7 (02:36:45):
George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are going to be there.
It's basically a major disclosure event for twenty twenty six.
It's on May fourteenth to the seventeenth, so if anybody
wants to go around and check it out. Jeremy Orbell
has talked extensively from the last year's mcminimon's. They gave
him a golf cart. He said they shouldn't have done that.

(02:37:07):
But George Napp and Jeremy Corbel will be there. There
has been talk that I know that you've said something
about it as well. And it's the undisclosed whistleblower presentation
that they're going to be having there, and I'd like
to kind of focus a little bit on that because
there might be a few people that it could be

(02:37:29):
a lot of attention was pointed at the Immaculate constellation Brown.

Speaker 3 (02:37:35):
I'm sorry, Michael, what's his name?

Speaker 1 (02:37:39):
Michael and Matthew Brown the witness.

Speaker 7 (02:37:45):
There we go ye and so Corbella and Napp they
have a connection, obviously everybody knows. But there was a
link that followed him from the you know, their podcast
Weaponized where everybody thinks that Matthew Brown is the whistleblower
that's going to be coming in there, but I don't
think it is. They just did another show with him anyway,

(02:38:06):
and I think this is going to be somebody new.
And there was actually a correlation to mccaslyn's connection because
of his recent disappearance. Some believe the festival presentation was
originally intended to involve him, which is super interesting that
he disappeared right before this, and I hadn't mentioned that

(02:38:27):
to you, but I wanted to kind of put that
little tie in there. There was let's see, given I
forgot my notes or messed up a little bit here.
But the Knapp's recent public going after Aerrow leadership rumors
suggests that whistleblower is actually a current or very recently

(02:38:49):
departed member of the Tentegoon QUAP office who is ready
to provide sense refused obviously data that the government has
refused to declassify, which would amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
I think, you know, whoever this whistleblower is whether it's
somebody new or whether it is Matthew Brown who's recently
gone public. I think when we have these people starting
to speak out, it's a good thing. But the problem
I have with the whistleblowers is are they experiencers that

(02:39:24):
we are giving them the title of whistleblower or do
they have deep rooted knowledge of what's going on? Like
I'm sorry, I feel for Dylan Borland. Okay, that he
lost his job, he lost his clearance, he can't find
another job, is his pension is going to be you know,

(02:39:46):
broke here soon or whatever? Because you know, he did
the right thing. He reported his report to Arrow the
way he was supposed to, which was when he was
in the Air Force, he went outside for his cigarette
during one of his breaks, looked up and there was
a triangle there. Okay, I get that, I totally get that,

(02:40:11):
But that's not a whistleblower. That's an experiencer who reported
his sighting. Maybe I'm being a little too harsh on it,
but I don't think I am right. It's like when
you have people in our field, take away the whistleblowers
for a second. Anybody who has had multiple experiences. Is

(02:40:34):
an experiencer When you have somebody who has had one sighting,
you've been a witness to something, you're not an experiencer.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (02:40:53):
Okay. Now I'm not trying to be I'm not trying
to be a jerk here or to put people down
that if they saw UFO and land and aliens come out, Okay,
that's an incredible eye witness testimony. It's a great vision
of what they actually saw and experienced. But it doesn't

(02:41:17):
mean that they're an experiencer of the phenomena. Okay. People
say it's semantics. I look at it and I think
I'm just trying to push to push a proper narrative.

(02:41:38):
So when I hear these podcasters or these people in
government say, hey, I saw a UFO fly by, I
couldn't explain it. I'm an experiencer or I'm a whistleblower.
Oh you're not. No, you're not. Sorry. Sorry to be
the bad guy in this, you know, to be the

(02:42:01):
Johnny Cash and all of this wearing black right. But
let's let's get to the truth here. So the question
is with these with these whistleblowers, what are they bringing?
What are they bringing to the table.

Speaker 3 (02:42:21):
We all want a whistleblower that actually has proof.

Speaker 7 (02:42:25):
If we could find somebody that didn't just say, hey,
this is what I seen on an office desk in
the you know, Central Intelligence Agency or whatever, and you know,
that's all fine and danny.

Speaker 3 (02:42:38):
But if that guy had the nerve to just grab
that file and be like, yeah, I'm going home now
and and run with it, I mean, that's that's almost
what we need.

Speaker 7 (02:42:46):
I don't know how legally that would be, but I
realistically that's what we're all wanting, is somebody to actually
have physical evidence, whether it's the cool metal and material
that supposedly Bigelow has, or you know, even if the
bug spear was real, you know, let people know and

(02:43:07):
see and dissect it and let us know it's it's
that's what we need. We need tangible evidence. Not hey
I saw spacecraft. I mean the Travis Waltons of the world,
which there are very few. You know, when you have
a story that's never changed for years and years and years,
which he's going through some issues.

Speaker 3 (02:43:25):
I guess right now.

Speaker 7 (02:43:26):
But I mean that guy, you or the Bobblas are
and all the Bob's testimonies stayed the same this whole
time as well, and it's we have those people, but now.

Speaker 3 (02:43:37):
We need the evidence.

Speaker 1 (02:43:41):
Absolutely absolutely, all right, Grant, let's continue on here. So
we've got about eight minutes of the UFO report.

Speaker 3 (02:43:48):
Left based off what you were just saying too.

Speaker 7 (02:43:51):
When it comes to whistleblowers, I had looked up there
was a legislation it's called the Sunshine Weak Build and
this was on March six, Senator Chuck Grassly introduced to bills.
I'll let you guys look those up, but it's S
four zero ninety nine and S forty one hundred aimed
at expanding whistleblower protection. While probably focused on government transparency.

(02:44:13):
Advocate advocates like the Disclosure Foundation are pushing for these
to cover personal coming forward with UAP related legacy program information.
And that's also a step in the right direction. When
you start laying the foundation for whistleblowers that do have
the ability to wow us, you know, it's the wow

(02:44:36):
signal that Grant Cameron always talks about, the wow factor.

Speaker 3 (02:44:40):
If you lay that groundwork and they.

Speaker 7 (02:44:42):
Can just walk down that path and make it as
easily accessible for them as anybody else, then at that
point I think we're going to have a little bit
more photographic evidence or video evidence, even though people are
going to use AI. Oh it looks like AI. Well,
you know, there is one thing that people like Elon

(02:45:02):
Musk even said, if it looks too real, it might
be fake. But if it you know, it's one of
those deals where you got to take it with a
granted salt.

Speaker 3 (02:45:11):
And it also depends on the context.

Speaker 7 (02:45:13):
Of where it's coming from and if they can prove
where it's coming from, if they can vet it. So
but yeah, there's see. There was also another one about there.
It is the FY twenty twenty six NDAA new Provisions
and the twenty twenty six Defense Act now requires the
Pentagon to brief Congress specifically on uap UFO intercepts conducted

(02:45:37):
by Norad and Northcomb since two thousand.

Speaker 3 (02:45:41):
So that was another little blurb in there that I
had caught, which I thought was really good. The more
information we can get, the better.

Speaker 7 (02:45:50):
I mean, I just wish everybody had a high definition
HDMI camera on top of their house.

Speaker 3 (02:45:57):
Everybody was looking up.

Speaker 7 (02:45:58):
We could just like a ring camera facing disguise.

Speaker 3 (02:46:01):
That'd be amazing.

Speaker 7 (02:46:04):
Maybe I just came up with a new uh, a
new business proposition for somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:46:10):
Well, yeah, you might have. I mean, look, there's a
bunch of variations of what's gonna go on here in
the next little bit. I don't know what's going to happen.
I wish I had answers as to what was coming next,
but nobody seems to to be able to figure that

(02:46:30):
portion out. Okay, And is it writing on what the
government says? I don't know. I don't know. If it
is for experiences, it's not. I've already had our disclosure.
We already know what's going on. But for the rest

(02:46:52):
of us that are hanging out grant, we need to
be able to to grasp onto the news what what
is going to lead us down this path? Because I
think the more we push towards disclosure, the more we
push towards getting answers that this phenomena is real. I

(02:47:13):
think it's very dangerous to think that we're going to
get a straight answer from the United States government. As
somebody put it earlier, and I read this quote, we
don't believe anything about our government when they tell us anything.
Yet with UFOs, we're one hundred percent all in with them.

(02:47:36):
Does that make any sense.

Speaker 7 (02:47:38):
No, no, Well, it's just like when you were talking about,
you know, the aliens dot gov and what last week
did they put that in there?

Speaker 3 (02:47:50):
And who was it? It was? Someone had said they
don't want to get chicked. There was a stay tuned,
someone said stay tuned. Oh, here we go.

Speaker 7 (02:48:05):
When a White House response, when asked about the purpose
of these sites, White House spokesman Anna Kelly replied with
a cryptic stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (02:48:16):
I saw that, I saw. What do you make of that?

Speaker 3 (02:48:20):
It's no cryptic. It's like, really, they've never We don't
believe that they've ever told the truth.

Speaker 7 (02:48:26):
I mean, we have such an undying like philosophy that
the United States government just does not tell the truth
that if they ever did, we wouldn't believe them.

Speaker 1 (02:48:39):
But that's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem right there
is we don't know exactly it, right, we don't know.
And that stay tuned Does that mean that they are
going to that they are going to move all of

(02:49:02):
the alien files over to aliens dot gov or alien
dot gov. Are these just cryptic websites that mean nothing.

Speaker 7 (02:49:14):
It could be I mean it could be the look
over here, if you look at me, and then they're
doing something somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (02:49:19):
I mean, that's one of our fallbacks when we talked
about that.

Speaker 7 (02:49:24):
But honestly, if they actually did put up tangible evidence
and real video photographs that are not AI generated, of
course there's a lot of people out there that will
dig into it to find out and there's gonna be
a lot of hours from a lot of people spent
on that site researching every photograph, every pixel. So it's

(02:49:46):
it's it's cat and mouse thing.

Speaker 1 (02:49:50):
It really is a cat and mouse thing. I don't
think that the public really understands what that means. Ed
Till Who's a four We're a guest here. He's a
radio host all over the United States. He's a comedian
as well. I was talking with him today on WPHT
in Philadelphia before the show and he asked me an

(02:50:12):
important question. I'm going to ask you this as we
get about two minutes left, what is the golden day
of ufology? Is it Roswell? Is it the two thousand
and four Nimitz incident?

Speaker 3 (02:50:27):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:50:29):
What is it anymore?

Speaker 3 (02:50:32):
The Golden Age? I couldn't say a day anymore. I
just can't. I can't think of one day.

Speaker 7 (02:50:40):
There's so many you know, the aerial school or what's
that one crash in the forest Dalmores now randalsom, what
is it? I mean the most hyped up one is
obviously Roswell, and the people that know about Roswell Phil
don't even realize that there was two there, not one,

(02:51:01):
and that we're reported.

Speaker 3 (02:51:03):
So it's I don't know what it is anymore.

Speaker 7 (02:51:09):
Maybe if if an alien lands in your backyard, Dave,
and you catch it and you're shaking hands with the
guy and your wife's holding the camera, that might be
the Golden Age or the Golden Day.

Speaker 1 (02:51:20):
I don't know if that'll be the Golden ticket, because
if I get video of that, I don't know if
I'm releasing.

Speaker 3 (02:51:25):
It, Well, tell me about it. If you don't, either way.

Speaker 1 (02:51:30):
I'll tell you about it. I'll tell you about it.
You know. I know that sounds sad to Dave. You're
a journalist, you should be releasing that stuff. I don't
want to be the next Bob Gimlin or Roger Patterson.
That's what it comes down to. I don't want to
be that guy.

Speaker 3 (02:51:47):
That's funny.

Speaker 7 (02:51:48):
Well, I do have to say congratulations to Delaware, not
in the Pacific Northwest, Delaware finently holds the number one
spot per capita for sightings in UFO reporting as of
March twenty third. Congratulations to you guys, followed by Washington
and New York, so it's not the West Coast anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:52:08):
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