CONNECTING THE UFO STORY TOGETHER AT CONTACT IN THE DESERT

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we have an amazing show tonight. We're heading to Contact
in the desert figuratively, not literally just yet because the
conference isn't for a month or so yet. But Ron Jenix,

(03:14):
we call him Captain Ron in the UFO world. He
will be here momentarily to break everything down for us.
Then in our number three swamp Dweller will kick things off.
We will follow that up with Grant Baker, UFO Max
of the UFO Report. So let's get right to it.
I love it when Captain Ron is on the show.
He's just so natural, beautiful radio voice, looks like a

(03:36):
rock star. Probably should have a set of drums in
front of him while he's on this show. Ron is
known as Captain Ron around the UFO world. He's been
deeply embedded in the community in the paranormal community for
over a decade, building a reputation as a knowledgeable voice
and passionate advocate for disclosure. Through the years of research,
conference involvement, and podcasting, Ron has developed a rounded understanding

(04:01):
of the UFO phenomena. Experience your accounts and the evolving
conversation around unidentified anomalist phenomena. His dedication to connecting people
and ideas within the field has made him one of
the most recognizable figures among researchers and enthusiasts alike. Yeah
this guy. Also he runs one of the largest, if

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not the largest, conference about UFO's consciousness and everything awesome,
called Contact of the Desert. If you've never heard of it,
go check it out online. You could get tickets right now.
Go to Contact in the Desert and it'll be right there.
Let's bring them on in, Captain Ron Jenics. It is
always a pleasure to have you on this show, my friend,

(04:43):
how you been doing.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
I'm doing great, Dave.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
I want to change our tagline to everything Awesome, Contact
in the Desert, Everything Awesome.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
That sums it up right there, brother.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Oh man, man, You know what, I love talking this
with you because I know you're you're a media guy.
You're a radio guy, and radio people just talk differently
to each other, you know what I'm saying. And and
you know you still got that rock star hairdoo going on,
and you know, I don't know how you do it.
I look about forty six years older than you.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Look, David Letterman. Now it's a new look for you.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, you know what, I'm actually thinking of shaving the beard.
I really am thinking about shaving the beard. I just
I'm looking too old, you know, you know, like I'll
be fifty three next month. I don't feel fifty three.
I feel about thirty five, and I look about ninety eight.

(05:39):
So something's got to change here. I think it's got
to be starting with the beard. You know. Maybe I
don't know, maybe I should just color it.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I don't know. You can shave it off.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I could. I could see even our audience says Captain
Ron looks like a rock star.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Oh no he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Oh yes he does.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Lot this hour of the night, come on, my friend.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
For people who may not be familiar with you, because
we got people not only around North America listening on
terrestrial radio, but around the world on our social media's
as well. The love of UFOs. How did it start
for you?

Speaker 7 (06:18):
Why?

Speaker 6 (06:18):
I've you had a lifelong interest in it? Casually, I
just always enjoyed it. I always thought that, you know,
there must be something to this, and you know, it
sort of evolved over the years and I got involved.
I started reading The Chariots of the Gods and I
read Communion, the two big must reads in this community,
and they really got me hooked. And that was back

(06:40):
in the eighties when I read those and I got
really hooked on the subject. But I didn't do anything
with that up until about twenty thirteen when I got
on a podcast about UFOs because the guy I was
doing a different podcast with it happened to have a
network that needed a partner for a UFO show, and
he said, don't you know a lot about UFOs? And

(07:01):
I'm like, wow, ish, you know, just sort of as
a casual thing. And I got on that show. And
by doing that, the process of doing that, every time
we had a guest on, you'd have to research that guest,
and therefore researching that guest would give you more education,
and you just kind of go down this rabbit hole.
And this is one of those topics where the more
you know, the more there is to know.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
As you know.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Over time, who do you think prior to this newfound
eupology Because I looked at the fact that there's two eupologies.
You have the original euphology and then as of twenty seventeen,
you have the New Age you apology. How have you
been able to not only work with both because of

(07:45):
what you do for a living with contact of the
desert everything, But what have you noticed about the two groups.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Well, there's no question that twenty seven is twenty seventeen
is a very clear delineation line for us. I mean,
obviously that's when things really opened up. And for me,
I just feel like it just brought more people into
the fold that would maybe take it a little more seriously,
which has always been sort of part of my internal
mission is to bring people outside of this community into

(08:15):
this community, because clearly there's something to this. I've always
felt that, and the more I study it, the more
I feel that there is something to it. And there's
so many people that don't know anything about it. I
can't believe it. So I kind of want to bring
them in. So I love that this new World post
twenty seventeen is bringing other people in. You're seeing this

(08:36):
on TV, You're seeing this more. There's documentaries, the TVs
loaded with stuff on UFOs. Now, there's a lot of
stuff out there that has a serious approach to it,
and that's the difference.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
They take it serious.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Now, do you think the story's being covered correctly?

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, you know, we don't even know what the story is.
None of the abductees or contact ees really know what's happening.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Nobody really knows. It's a light in the sky.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
So I think it's a very difficult challenge to be
fair to media because we don't know. How do we
know that even if it looks like a spacecraft, how
do we know that that's not our tech or one
of our adversaries tech.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
It's very hard to speculate on this stuff.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
So that's one of the most difficult challenges within this community,
I think, is that we're dealing with an unknown and
we're dealing with things that you cannot pin down or
get a definitive answer on, so you have to just
do the best you can.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
The divide between that really has seen a lot of
a lot of torment on social media, between groups, between people,
between news outlets, between organizations. You know, there's been a
lot of tediousness and tenacious firing back and forth. You know,
it's almost been and I use the term very loosely

(09:56):
because what's going on in the world, but it's almost
been the UFO War zone out there within the community day.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Yes, yeah, I can't stand that. There's definitely it's very fractured.
There's a lot of different factions and people that have
different beliefs and follow different people in the community. And
I don't like that. We've we've done a really good
job of sort of leaving that at the door at
contact in the desert a lot. I really don't, you know,

(10:23):
it's just leave your politics, leave your your your core
dug in beliefs on UFOs that you you know that
you're gonna fight with other people at the door. Let's
all come together and have an open discussion because at
the end of the day, we're all looking for the
truth and we all want to get to the bottom
of what's going on and learn more. And I think

(10:43):
that's very healthy.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
That's one thing I like about your event is that
you're able to bring so many different groups together under
one roof for conversation, not debate, not argument, conversation because
people are different when they're face to face rather than
hiding behind a keyboard.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
There's no question. And you know, at the end of
last year's event, a lot of people were saying, to me,
my god, this was such a such a great experience
and oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And you know
what also dawned on me, Dave, I actually noticed this
something that you don't see anymore, but at Contact in
the desert last year, I noticed that people were not
walking around with their hand in front of their face

(11:23):
on a phone. They were talking to one another. And
I think that was a huge part of our success
last year, is because people were actually having real conversations
and talking to people they've never met before. Because we
get people from all over the world. I met people
from Belgium, from Switzerland, all over the world, and that's
too fascinating to pass up. You want to talk to them,

(11:45):
so you put your phone away for a while, and
that's very refreshing. And I think that's a huge part
of it too, because you want to meet the speakers.
The speakers are all walking around, they want to see them,
they want to talk to them, and it really fosters
an environment to actually talk face to face again.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Remember those days, Dave.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, that's doesn't seem that long ago, but apparently it doesn't.
But that's the world today. Man, You got you got
that right, Ron. What do you love about this subject?
We all, it's easy to talk about the negative. But
with everything that's going on, what are you loving about it?
Right now?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
I love that more people are taking an interest. I
love that today, just in the last couple of days,
there's been a couple of stories. Timbershet said, uh oh,
something came out about uh. He was saying that he
heard stuff that if we heard in the in the
real world would be shocked. When have you heard a
congressman talk like that. We had the thing a few

(12:45):
weeks ago with Obama saying aliens are real and then
Trump saying, well, he shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
That's classified.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
You've got an ex president and a president talking and
saying the words UFO and alien. That's unheard. I don't
remember ever hearing anything like that. So I think that
that's wonderful. How casually and seriously it's being talked about
in mainstream, don't you.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think it's great. I'm not sure the mainstream is
covering this story properly because for so many years this
story was ridiculed as tinfoil hat conspiracy, and now I
believe the media being caught off guard with this story
becoming more and more popular. Politicians discussing it. And look,

(13:32):
it's not just the same names. There are a lot
of different people within Congress, within politics around the world
that are now speaking of these types of engagements. I
think it's great, but I don't think that the media
is trained on it. And I always use this example
with it. When I was a sports reporter in Vancouver,
Ron I hated covering soccer. I just loathe covering soccer,

(13:59):
and so when I would do a story on something
I didn't want to do, I would I would, you know,
not take it very seriously. I would go in there
and I'd ask the quick, softball questions so I could
get in and out. How is the game today? What
did you think of that goal? How did you feel

(14:19):
about the win? How was your goaltender tonight? You know,
you'd ask the basic questions three four minutes, three four guys, Okay,
you're done, get the hell out of there. It wasn't
like going to something that interested me. And when I
look at these reporters now who have been caught off
guard after years and years of disgracing this topic with

(14:43):
laughter and foolishness and the X Files music, now, I
don't know if they really know how to even cover
the story because they're so far behind on it.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
They are very behind on it, and they don't they're
not versed in it. You can hear the way they
often cover it. They don't know the details of it.
And that's just like any topic or any subject at all.
If you're not versed in it, you can't speak with
authority on it. And so they're, you know, without us,
without a paddle, they can't even they don't even know

(15:15):
how to address it or what questions to ask, and
that is a problem.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
That is a problem.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
But again, I do think it's moving and we're seeing
more people talk about this that never would and I
think it'll catch up, and I think that's a very
positive thing. I love seeing it. I love seeing more
people that would never have had this on their top
of mind bring it up or talk about it. I
love that these political stories are in the news every

(15:42):
day lightly they've been in the news, so people that
don't follow the UFO topic but follow politics are seeing
UFO stories and alien stories, and that's great.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And it's not just buried it anymore. Used to be that
this was a weekend story that would be play at
eleven o'clock at night on the you know, the final
story before the sportscast on the news on television, or
in the back pages on a Saturday paper or a
Sunday paper in the news paper industry. Now we're seeing

(16:16):
it mainstream, we're seeing it frontline, even at times leading UFOs.
I mean, you look at this story with General McCaslin.
There's news outlets that are leading with this. I mean,
we've never seen that before that we've seen, especially in
the last couple of years.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
I agree. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
I caught a segment on Fox News the other day
that was talking about something and then the announcers were
talking like sort of off the cuff for five minutes,
like they were like, oh yeah, that reminded me of
this thing I heard on Art Bell and oh yeah,
you know, I heard a story once and there. It's
like becoming more casually accepted and it's just entering the zeitgeist.

(16:58):
And I love it because there seems to be more
and more things happening all the time.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
We live in a community ron that is ready for disclosure.
They're ready for the announcement, whether they're an experiencer, an eyewitness,
or just somebody who is curious. They've prepped themselves that
these beings, these craft are real, whether they're from outer space, interdimensional,
inner Earth, time travelers, ultra terrestrials, whatever it may be.

(17:26):
Do you think, though, that the mainstream public is catching
on outside of maybe glancing at the news. You have
the largest conference in North America, one of the largest
in the world on this subject. What kind of responses
are you getting from people who've maybe never attended an
event like this before, or have never really got into

(17:49):
this subject before.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
I love that those are the people that we want
to come. It's easy to get people in the community
that are buried in the community that have a podcast
and they want to come meet this. They come, but
it's bringing these people that don't know about it, because,
you know, the less acquainted with this are. You just
listed a lot of possibilities for what the phenomenon may be.
Crypto terrestrials, ultraterrestrials, interdimensional travelers. I think a lot of

(18:16):
people outside the community don't even know these terms or
what that means. It's only a physical, nuts and bolts
craft coming from another planet landing here, and it's only
when you kind of dig into the material a little
bit more you see that that's sort of just a
fraction of what it could be. There's so many things

(18:37):
within the phenomenon that affect people's lives, and it's talking
to different experiences and hearing the different things that they've
gone through and how it affects them that I think
is very important. And as you come to an event
like this, you start seeing a much broader picture of
what's going on that there's these strange phenomenon happening people

(19:00):
that may not be, you know, the the nuts and
bolts thing that we think it could be. It could
be a myriad of things.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
What do you think they are? Man?

Speaker 5 (19:13):
What again?

Speaker 6 (19:14):
I couldn't even wild guess. I actually I'm starting to
feel I've just recently moved over the fifty one percent
point that I think it is actually something off planet
that is non human intelligence, And now that I'm there,
I'm now starting to feel that it really probably is.

(19:35):
I won't say all of the above, but I think
there's a myriad of things happening. I think there's a
whole mosaic going on. I think it's very possible that
there are beings in these other realms that are interacting
with us, and why couldn't somebody develop the technology and
another planet to get here, and why couldn't there be
crypto terrestrials. I think all of these things may be happening.

(19:58):
I don't think it's just one thing, which always was
how I used to feel, well, what is this?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
What is this?

Speaker 6 (20:04):
What is this one thing? And now I'm realizing, you know,
it's probably not. It's probably this complex mosaic of a
variety of things happening at one time.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
You know what I mean, Yes, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
You have talked to hundreds of people within this UFO
circle over the years. Who has given you the best
outlook or the best advice on this story?

Speaker 7 (20:30):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Dolan told me how I asked Dolan what the best
piece of evidence was or what could you point to
that really would tell somebody that's outside of this, and
he said, it's not one piece of evidence or one
story or one case.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
It's the culmination of all of this. It's the.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
Look at how many people have come forward as witnesses,
how many people have come forward as people have had
an experience, how many people in the military, All of
it's the tumulative amount of everything together, and I thought, well, yeah,
that's very profound, because you know, he did this book
on the underwater UFOs that people forget about. There's thousands

(21:12):
of those cases. I mean, there really is a lot
of material here that people don't realize oftentimes. I think
there's a lot more evidence and a lot more cases,
and a lot more happening than many people realize. We
don't have the muffler on the White House lawn. We
don't have that solid piece of evidence, but we do

(21:33):
have a lot of circumstantial evidence. We do have a
lot of eyewitness accounts. We do have a lot of
things that you know, when there's smoke, there's fire, and
there's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
We got about three minutes ago before we have to
go to break at the bottom of the hour, as
we have Captain Ron Jenics from Contact in the Desert
on the show tonight. This and question may go into
the second half of this here coming on up. But
in your opinion, what is disclosure then.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
Well, typically big you know disclosure is big d disclosure.
Somebody in our government, you know, probably the President, comes
out and says, we have aliens, we have bodies, we
have craft, we have whatever I do not see that
coming at all. Although the rumors about this are hotter
than they've ever been, mister Bassett will tell you that

(22:27):
it is going to happen. I do not feel that
that's going to come. I see no reason for that
to happen. There's no impetus for whoever holds this knowledge
to release this knowledge. I just I can't get my
head around that. So it's got to come from another place.
I think every time a whistleblower comes forward, every time
a witness comes forward, all of that is another brick

(22:49):
in the wall, and it adds to the scale. It's
another piece on the scale moving it in that direction.
And I think it's helpful and worth it, and I
hope more people keep coming forward, because again it's it's
the accumulated amount of these cases, of these witnesses. The
more I see, the more I'm just like God, this

(23:10):
many people can't be making it up or can't be
making a mistake. At some point, it's just going to
break the dam. I feel that.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Dam is still very very large, you know, because there
are so many different roads to disclosure and paths that
kind of continue off. You get people, and I would
just spend the time with Steve Bassett a couple of
weeks ago at UFOCON in San Francisco, and one of
the things that you know, when I listened to him speak,
because he's so eloquent and puts so much passion into

(23:40):
this subject. I look at when he speaks, you know
that he doesn't care how the big D disclosure comes.
He just wants it out. Do you not think that
that is a little bit dangerous because of the control
of the narrative that is that is there.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
Well, if you interview any of these guys like Eric
Bosley or any of these guys Richard Doty, a lot
of those guys who have worked in intelligence, that is
the whole point supposedly that they just want to control
the narrative. And it feels like they may be controlling
the narrative, that they just put enough of a tweak
on a story, just put enough of a misinformation out there,

(24:22):
disinformation out there to throw people off the scent. And
I think that's probably really happening. It makes perfect sense
to me. It's sad. I think it is dangerous. I
think it's also possible that what they know about this
may be way worse than any of us think maybe

(24:42):
they've uncovered something that we probably don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Captain Ron Jennis with Contact in the Desert. One of
the biggest UFO events, not only in North America, it's
the biggest here but the world all around. Yes, it
is round, not flat. Get into more disclosure talk with
Captain Ron right after this. Stay tuned. Everybody, All right, Ron,

(25:19):
we are clear. Let me just unmute you here there
we go, cool and Grant. How you doing in the
chat room? Cryptical Crossroads? How you doing, Jeremy? Thank you again.

(25:43):
That's a good start. That was a fast half hour, man.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, I was surprised that was a break already.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I was like, damn, I know, just get going and
boom typical radio, the commercials hit. That's right, Jeff Steve Garvey.
How you doing, buddy, how's the home run swing? I'm

(26:10):
actually I think I'm going to head into the forest tomorrow.
I have a place out here, Ron that once the
snow melts, it's like a it's like a mini skin
Walker ranch out here.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
No way. Yeah, a lot of paranormal activity.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
My friend in that one spot. So if you took
about the size of a of a football field. That's
all it is. And in that spot, we have ghosts,
we have bigfoot, we have like major bigfoot communication going

(26:56):
on there. We have had UFO over top, We've had
a UFO landing, We've had aliens walking through the trees.
And then last year we just I guess the phenomena,
decided to add either a skin walker or a wind
to go trying to lure us into the forest, mimicking
people's voices.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Oh my god. Yeah, that's Bradshaw Ranch right there on
your backyard.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Oh it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, it's it's about twenty five miles into the forest
and it's a little bit of a jaunt to get there.
But once we're there, you never know what's going to happen.
I would not go. Yeah, And the thing is, that's
just the weird stuff. That's just the weird stuff. It's

(27:47):
also a a very very popular area for grizzly bears,
black bears. There's a resident mountain lion that lives in
the area. There's moose all around there, and believe it
or not, people don't know this, but moose actually kill

(28:08):
more people per year than bears do and incredible. Then
we have wolf packs in there coyotes in there. There's
actually I actually got a picture of an endangered species
last year.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
No kidding what kind of animal.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's some kind of martin. Let me see if I
got it on my phone. Here, I'll bring it. That's wild. Yeah,
I just got the ass end of it on my
on my I don't know if it's it's either on
the endangered list or really close to the endangered list.

(28:51):
There it is, there's but he jumped over top of
my trail cam.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
There he is his ass. Oh my god, that's incredible. Yeah,
that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, they were they were they were hunted out because
of their fur. Their fur is very valuable. And then
here is.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Here is our resident mountain lion in the area. You
saw that in person? Oh my god, that's scary.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
She's a big girl. She's a big girl. I saw
her once. I saw her once, but that was taken
on my trail camp. But when she came by me
and my buddy, we had just put our pointy sticks away,
and like three minutes after we unloaded put our pointy

(29:54):
sticks away. That's when all of a sudden, I saw
her dash across the trail about fifty sixty f eat
from us, and I was like, oh, well, she's not
gonna come on over here.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Thank god.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
That that that's yeah, yeah, I've heard that about most
of you think they seem so peaceful, but oh yeah, big.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
So.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah. It's a it's a great, great area. It's kind
of like my own little paranormal paradise there. So I
try and go out there every weekend. And it's crazy.
You're looking for the stuff. Huh. Yeah. I'm not a
researcher man. I'm more of an enthusiast. But it's fun.
We're coming back in three seconds. Hold out there, buddy,

(31:00):
we have the second half hour of spaced Out Radio
now underway. From Contact to the Desert. Captain Ron Janics
is here. My name is Dave Scott, and we're talking
disclosure right here. If you want to check out Contact
of the Desert, I highly suggest you do. This is
literally the biggest UFO event in North America, one of

(31:22):
the biggest in the world. And I'll tell you the
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com is incredible. This year's event May twenty eighth through June. First,
get your tickets now. Well, wait, until after the show,
because we got a great show coming up for the
next two and a half hours. Captain Ron, how you doing,
my friend doing terrific?

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
All right, So we were talking about the whole disclosure
movement right off the bat here, and I want to
continue that conversation with you because your event, Contact of
the Desert disclosure is one of the biggest topics that
there is there.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
So it absolutely is we cover, you know, a wide
variety of things these days. We really kind of have
our tone in the water for a wide variety of
these topics, everything from that from disclosure to UFOs, to
experiencers to we're getting a lot into SI and the
cy realms, and our theme this year is infinite Realms,

(32:22):
where we're talking about all the different realms, So we
cover a lot of material there as far as disclosure comes.
We're actually going to have a brand new witness that's
going to testify in Congress and he's going to come
forward for the first time ever at Contact in the
Desert Live, and of course we have Danny and Steven
there talking about disclosure as well. It does seem like

(32:47):
it keeps moving forward, you know, they came out with
that UAP Act in twenty two, and then it got butchered,
and then they kind of put a little part of
it in, then they put a little bit more in,
and now they're talking about I just heard recently they're
going to try to talk in Congress. They're going to
try to represent that original bill in its original form
yet again, which rarely happens. So we may actually be

(33:10):
on the verge of pushing some of that forward. I
don't I even if that thing passes, I don't think
we're gonna get what we want.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
What's the perfect disclosure for you? What do you want?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I want them to go, here's the body, here's the ship,
here's the thing. You know.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
But it's not going to be that easy. It's not
going to be And people also think it's such a
simple answer like that, and it's not. There's a lot
of complications. Think about all the lawsuits, think about all
the people's lives that were ruined, think about all the
all the interwoven things of these other companies, these private

(33:45):
companies who spent tons of money on backward engineering the
technology and all of these things. They're gonna want therapies.
I mean, it's just it's way more complicated than people hope.
It would be great, though, to get some sort of
confert so we could all get on the same page,
and maybe that would change a lot.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Of the attitudes around the world too, if we kind
of realize this. You know the old Ronald Reagan quote of.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Isn't that the truth?

Speaker 8 (34:12):
War?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, isn't that the truth? You know? One of the
big things for me, ron is the fact that I
want that Pandora's box open, that's hiding in the Pentagon somewhere.
I want all the yes and no questions answered, whether
it's Roswell being an alien crafted we have bodies, whether
it's any UFO crash site or major landing site that

(34:35):
we've seen. But it also goes more than that. I
want to know about Eisenhower. Did he trade humans for technology?
If he didn't, why not just say no, Just come
out and say no, kill it, kill it right off
the bat, you know. Or or another one would be
you know, Bob Lazar. I want to know if Bob
Lazar really worked at Area fifty one. All right now,

(34:59):
I know I know people who have worked at Area
fifty one, and they're not convinced that he ever. Did
you know, but there are some of us, myself included,
who believe that it was possible that he was there,
even albeit for a short time. I think it was
only six weeks. But that's the disclosure I think we deserve.
It's not the threat narrative. It's not the hiding of

(35:22):
the secret space program allegedly. You know, That's what I want.
I want that Pandora's box open. Otherwise I'm not going
to be satisfied.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Man, Well, you're not going to get it, So don't
even think about it.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
As far as Bob Blazaar is concerned.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
You know, Luigi Vnatelli just did a brand new documentary
that comes out, yes in a couple of days here,
and he will be at Contact and he's going to
be showing his film and he's also got a virtual
reality thing.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
This is amazing, Dave.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
Where he's going to show it at Contact where they
have recreated the sports model UFO that Bob Bazar claims
to have worked on, in its exact details, its exact size,
all the things like they have at fifty nine feet
and six inches, like they got really specific and in
the headset supposedly you can walk up to the craft,

(36:13):
go down look inside of it, walk inside, walk around
and look at the entire thing in a virtual environment,
and that sounds amazing to me. It's also very compelling.
I think Bible is our story is very compelling. It's
been going on for a long time now. There's something
to it.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I agree with you. I agree there's something to it.
And you know, Luigi has been on this show before
and we got to get him back on here again
to talk about this great documentary. I mean, when you
look at the way that these stories are taking off,
you know, from what we want from disclosure to the
way the media is covering it. Now. We touched on

(36:53):
that in the first half hour. Uphology is at an
all time high in pots popularity. You see people all
over the place carrying little alien heads now, you know,
whether it's a key chain or maybe it's a T
shirt or whatever. Did you ever think when you got
into this that it would be this way? I mean,
the world's gone ufo crazy.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
But it's you know, they don't have the knowledge of it,
like you said, it's just it's a cursory look at it.
It's what they see on the news and what they
see on these shows. And if you just take a
little bit more of a deep dive, you can really
really uncover some remarkable things. The work that James Fox
did in this New Virginia case is incredible.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 6 (37:36):
How he has that brain surgeon who on camera looks
right at the camera and says, look, I was six
feet eye to eye with this thing, A direct first
person eyewitnessed to an alleged alien being. That's pretty compelling.
That's great. I thought Agent disclosure was fantastic. I think

(37:57):
all of these things that have been coming forward are
really good and really strong and really compelling, and it's amazing.
A lot of people still just dismiss it right out
of hand until they see the craft. That's nothing.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
What do you think is hurting you? Follow you and
getting this message out? So more people in the mainstream
public are doing it because you have to.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Battle any proof. We've got nothing.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
We've got one guy that says this, one guy that
says that we've got hyperbole. We've got secondhand witnesses, we've
got first hand a few firsthand witnesses. We don't have
any concrete evidence. And that's what for a lot of people.
That's the line until it comes out of the administration,
or I see a craft or I get that muffler there.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
They are just not going to believe it.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
I've watched the Age of Disclosure with people who said
they got nothing, and I thought, well, that was really compelling.
These are high level guys putting their name, reputation and
things on the line. Saying very compelling things doesn't move
the needle form at all. So you know, that's just

(39:08):
the way the world is today.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Do you think we're becoming too cynical about the topic.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
I think people have made up their mind and they
choose a side, just like they do politically. You've chosen
your political side, and now you're on that team. No
matter what they do, even if you don't agree with it,
you're on that team. There are people that I find
less and less people in the middle, which is my lane.
There are people that just seem to believe everything that

(39:35):
comes out related to this topic, and there are those
that just dismiss it out of hand. I heard a
great quote the other day from how put Off where
he says, there are those of us who there are
those out there who know nothing about the topic and
they know it's not real. And then there are those
of us who study the topic, research the topic, and

(39:57):
know that it is and I think think that's just
right on the nose.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
That's the answer right there.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
I think if you look into this, there's enough stuff
to warrant, at the very very least, more scientific investigation
and more attention. And I think it's compelling enough for
most people if they look at it.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
But most people won't even take that step.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
They dismiss it out of hand without really looking into it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
What do you think of the government involvement with all
of this, because there's a lot of people out there
ron who think, for some reason, when it comes to UFOs,
the government's telling the truth of what they know and
what they don't know. Yet for everything else they believe
the government is lying, whether it's about tax dollars or
you know.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Again, they've picked their team. If it's the topic that
they want to hear, they'll spend it that way. If not,
they spin it the other way. My take on it
is this, and of course I know nothing, and it's
all speculation, but after looking at this deeply for fifteen years,
here's my take.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
My take is that if we do.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
In fact have crash retrieve, retrieval programs that have got
this technology and know about the alien presence. It is
probably held in a very very small special access program,
black budgeted, and it's a small sort of cabal that
would know this knowledge. So when you have people on

(41:23):
the front lines, and you have people even at something
like Arrow, they don't really tell them the real answer anyway,
so they have plausible deniability. So when we go to
the government and ask them and they say they don't
have anything, that's because they don't have anything. The real information,
the real secrets. That stuff's locked up in special access

(41:45):
black programs that we're not going to get to. And
so the people you're talking to and the people you're
asking are the wrong people anyway, they don't know. That's
my opinion. We are seeing a little bit more of
this come out now. These congressmen seem to say that
they're hearing some things. But supposedly when you hear these
guys testifying Congress, they say that, well, I'll tell you

(42:07):
on a skiff, And then supposedly when they go to
the skiff, they're not allowed to talk to the congressman
because he's not he doesn't have the clearance to hear this,
so they can't really get to the information anyway. So
that's what I think. I think it's all bottled up.
So don't expect anything out of the government.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
What do you think, though, if we look at the government,
you know, you look at somebody like Timbershet, the congressman,
who is absolutely going crazy on this subject. And when
I say going crazy, I'm saying going crazy in a
good way.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know, he will not give up. Every time he
speaks publicly. Now it's about UFOs and now he's getting
into the alien hylization program.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Burleson as well, Eric Berlson, that all that guy talks
about is UFOs, And I think it's fantastic to have
these two guys ampioning this because we've never had that before. Again,
I don't know that they're really going to get access
to anything, but God blessed them for trying, and I
don't think that hurts us at all.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
At the very least.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
I think it opens up other people again hearing that,
oh my god, my congressman's taking this serious. Maybe there's
something to it, And I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Do you think this the moving the story from what
we saw a couple of years ago? When it came out,
the UAP thing came out, and then it was all
about nuts and bolts. Everything was nuts and bolts, propulsion systems,
anti grivitics, how do they fly? You know, it was
nothing about aliens. We weren't allowed to talk about the
aliens or non human biologics, whatever you want to call

(43:47):
them today. And yet here we have Timbershett coming out
in the last couple of days saying, hey, we need
to worry about this, this potential of hybridization between humans
and aliens. And apparently he said that there are bases
here where these are these pro creations are happening.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Yeah. Matt Gets, I think, is the one who came
out and said that, right.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah. Brishette followed it up too.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yeah. Yeah. So it's great that those guys are talking about. Well,
it's much more palatable for the average person. Lights in
the sky is easy, that's harmless, you know, and you know,
landing on the ground a little more scary. Now, alien
beings that's that's the next level up. So hybridization, Wow,
that's up another notch yet. So I think each of

(44:36):
these makes it feel less plausible to people outside the community.
Each one of these is a level up and Wow,
alien hybrids, that's a scary thing. That's a big thing
to chew on if you're brand new to this community.
Lights in the sky that came from somewhere else, that's
more plausible.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
You know.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Another thing we're doing at contact is talking about the
uh consciousness aspect of this and the psionics aspect of
this and how that all ties in and that clearly
has a very prominent role somewhere within this field.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah. I believe that too, And you're right, it was
Matt Gates and then tim Bershett followed up with it
on that. I mean, that's just opening up a whole
can of worms that is leading to a lot of
sci fi talk. And when we get into that sci
fi talk, a lot of people get scared with that ron,
whether it's because of their personal beliefs, their religious beliefs.

(45:33):
I mean, we have a lot of people like Vice
President jd Vance coming out saying these aren't aliens, these
are demons, you know, and this is all biblical. I mean,
there's a lot of different attitudes towards what is happening here.
And then we have Burlison. We have Burshett coming out
saying what we've seen. If it gets out into the public,

(45:54):
God help us.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
When's the last What if a vice president twenty years ago,
not one hundred years ago, twenty years ago came out
and said aliens could be demons or whatever. What do
you think would have happened? Oh goodness, they would have
ran them right out of town. There's no way they
could have talked like that twenty years ago. That's unheard of.
I think it's incredible. You've got congressmen talking about this

(46:20):
on a daily basis. You have the vice president taking
it up and not saying that it could be demonic.
I mean, wow, that's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
I think I think this.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Is a you know, a new era in politics that
this can even go on.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I just don't get it, because I think you're also
starting to see the divide in the politician's attitude towards this,
because you do have the people who believe that it
is demonic due to their faith. Then you have the
people saying, well, let's go find out what it is.
You know, do we have this? Is it hiding in

(46:57):
Wright Patterson Air Force Base or is it hiding at
Lockheed Skunkquirks. There's a lot of people who are pushing
the buttons now which we didn't have before, and that was.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Walking among us.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
I mean, how prolific is this actually? You know, it's
obviously all in unknown. It's very hard to say. So
God bless them for at least wanting to know more.
And I think that's the whole point. I'm always pushing
for more scientific attention and rigor to this because just
throughout history, our technology has given us more knowledge, you know.

(47:32):
I always like to bring up Dave how Thirty five
years ago, we didn't think there were any planets outside
of our solar system, and now we think there's one
planet at every single star we see. So that's a
huge leap in thirty five years of knowledge. So I
think as our technology grows and we learn more about
what these beings may be, I mean, it's possible in

(47:53):
one hundred years or five hundred years that we're going
to crack the code on how interdimensional travel something like that.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
What do you think the president knows? Do you think
he's read in.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
I think he is a short term employee. I think
he's four years an out. I don't think that they
get access to that special access program. I think that's
black budget sealed up. That are lifetime people that have
been legacy people for a long time, and that stays hidden.
I don't see any reason to read him in. There

(48:25):
are people like Greer and others who claim that the
President's been read in on certain parts of this. I
don't know if they have. I don't think they really
know a fraction of what our government may know deep inside.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Then who do you think is running it?

Speaker 6 (48:42):
I think it's a special You know, there are things
that if you look up that Congress does not have
to know about. Special access black programs are funded and
they don't need to say what they're for. They say
it's for special research of national defense or whatever. Why
would you not put a program of this magnitude in there?
I would so to me, that's where it is. I

(49:04):
think that that's controlled by a very small group, and
I think that's where it will stay because they have
no impetus to let it out. And who knows how
much about it they figured out? They may not know.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I always wondered about who in the Gang of eight knows.
You know, there's this gang of eight politicians that seem
to really pull the strings on everything, especially when it
comes to the defense budget, the NDAA, we've seen representatives
like Mike Turner for the last couple of years, who
represents his constituency of Wright Patterson Air Force based coincidentally

(49:41):
where he was one of the ones shooting this down,
you know, saying we don't need it and really whitewashing
anything to do with the UFO subject. I wonder if
people like them, those long termers who have no aspirations
of being a president or taking their career higher and higher,
happy with where they are because of the secrets they're told,

(50:03):
and they build importance through tenure rather than through position.
What's your thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
I would love one of these guys to, you know,
turn to a certain age and realize that they're not
going to make it and come clean. I don't know
that that would change the world or anything, but maybe
that would be the first dominant fall, And it is
possible that we would get as these guys age out. Theoretically,
as the world has changed. Look at the way we

(50:31):
thought about the military and the government and the hierarchy
in nineteen forty seven versus how we look at it today.
So it's very possible that people that are in that
small keball age out and maybe there would be a
new attitude that we do need to share this with
the world. Again, we don't know what they know. So
if they know something that's really scary or really dangerous,

(50:54):
or really whatever, then maybe.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
They're keeping it quiet for a reason. I doubt that.
I think they're keeping it quiet because they want to
control the power.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
But we don't know where do you think it's hidden?
Where do you think it's all hidden?

Speaker 8 (51:12):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (51:12):
I couldn't even begin to speculate.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
You know, we always hear right Patterson, of course, and
we hear these other bases. Area fifty one is so famous.
Now that's hidden in plain sight. There could be there's
tons of you can't get on any of these military bases.
It could be anywhere. And there's all these talks of
underground facilities. I'm sure it's all buried somewhere like that.

(51:34):
If in fact they have these things, it's buried.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Where do you think? What do you think we have?
That's always the big question I get a lot of people,
like outside of this show, people ask me what do
you think we have?

Speaker 6 (51:47):
I do think the reason I believe in this strongly
is that there are certain cases that I think are
real and our genuine and it starts with Roswell, And
I know that's cliched, but there's a lot of material
on Roswell. I've read a lot of those books by
Don Schmid and Tom Carey and those guys, and they've
uncovered a lot of evidence and a lot of eyewitness

(52:10):
and many deathbed confessions and these things that feel very
credible to me.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
So I think that really happened.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
I think that there's far less of these and far
less incredible sightings than many people would like to believe,
but the fact, if there's one, that's all we need.
So I think that we probably have recovered craft, and
it's probably from Roswell, maybe from Rendelsham, maybe from Virginia.

(52:40):
It sure seems like that case has a lot of
witnesses and a lot of people that swear under oath
and that the US military came in and took something
out and flew it back. We could have that as well.
So I would think we have at least a handful
of craft. We've had people like help put Off come
out and flat out say admit publicly we have ten

(53:04):
craft that are of unknown origin of non human intelligence.
That's a remarkable statement from a pretty high level guy.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
So I would believe that. Who don't you believe.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
I don't believe a lot of these cases. I don't
believe anyone who has multiple things that are one in
a million chants. The people that come forward and say
they've gone through portals and been on Mars, and they've
been worked on underground bases, and they've met aliens and
they've seen Bigfoot, and I think these things are one

(53:41):
in a million chants. And if one thing happens to
you Travis Walton, I do believe. He's got one story.
It happened fifty years ago. He's stuck to it. It's
a very believable story. He has multiple eyewitnesses that saw
that with him. I think that's a real case. Some
of the these other guys that have salacious stories or

(54:04):
multiple different disciplines within their story, it's like all of
these things are so rare and such a bizarre chance occurrence.
Really six of those have happened to you. That's hard
for me to believe. So again, all of this stuff,
I just think there's a small percentage of eyewitness UFOs

(54:27):
that are real of crash retrievals that are real, of
experiences that are real, surrounded by a lot of misinformation.
People that jump let their brain get away from them.
Their mind gets carried away. They're into this culture. They
want to see something. I think that happens a lot.
I think that's the same for all of these things.

(54:51):
Cryptis all of these things. I think a lot of
it gets out of hand. But there's eight percentage that's real,
and that's all we need.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Ron. I'm gonna get you to hold on right there. Wow,
this first hour has flown on by on spaced Out Radio.
Thankfully we got Captain Ron for another hour here on
spaced Out Radio, and when we return, we're gonna learn
more about contact in the desert.

Speaker 9 (55:18):
This is spaced Out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
All right, Ron, we got about five and a half minutes.
I'm gonna put you back in the green room and
I'm gonna take a quick break here. Okay, for the
rest of you, we will be right.

Speaker 8 (55:41):
Back US, USA, USA, USA.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
All right.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I am back and we'll get Ron back in here.
There we go. How you doing, buddy, I am back,
I'm here.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
I'm ready to.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Roll rock and roll MS Tessa, Marie, how you doing.
Nice to have you in the chat room, and who
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Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Great brother.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
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Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
I'm glad.

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Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Okay, is your full show three hours?

Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
Yeah? I go another hour after you're done. Jesus, that's
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Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
And five days a week. Man, it's a job.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
That's full time, man, Jesus.

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Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Perfect. Good for you, man, I'm really impressed.

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here on spaced Out Radio. Let's bring in Captain Ron Jenix.
He is one of the owners of Contact in the Desert,
the largest us FOUX conference in North America, one of
the largest in the world. This year's event May twenty
eighth through June. First. You could join him and many
others at contactedthe Desert dot com where you could get

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your tickets right now, and I highly suggest you do.
Captain Ron, welcome back, Thank you sir. Yeah, this year
is going to be huge. We've got over seventy speakers
so far. How long is it and how do you
fit everybody in?

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
It's it's just jam packed. We are now a five
day event. It is all day Thursday, all day Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
all day Monday. It just keeps going and there's like
seven different stages to choose from at any given time.
So there's always something that you're going to find. That's
the hardest thing people have. What do I see next?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Why do you think people have really clamored to this event.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
I think it's a lot of things. I think it's
the integrity that that's put behind this. I think it's
our lane in my view. You know, we take a
much more serious look at this, and we take a
much more We have a lot of academics, a lot
of PhDs come to this conference and speak at our conference,
and we cover a lot of different areas from UFOs

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to abductees, contact ees, anything related to that. The SIH
abilities is becoming a big important thing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Disclosure.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
We have a bunch of guys that have testified in Congress,
you know, and we have the class, and we have
the simulation theory as well. There's a big panel we're
doing on the simulation theory in these guys, and so
there's a lot of different areas and how it all
ties together. I just it's just an incredible, incredible event.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Seventy speakers, that's almost unheard of.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Yep, Yep, it's true. Yeah, it's incredible. And like I said,
they run all day. You've got to just pick and choose.
Then you know, there's a panel that will have panels
in one room that run all day, and there's at
least six people on each of those that are in
there all day, so it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Keeps us busy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
How do you run it all? You must have an
amazing team.

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
I have an amazing team. I mean, my gosh, my
producer Brie, I don't know what I do without her.
The whole team is fantastic, and you know, we're very
dedicated to this. It's sort of all our mission, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Gordon. Gordon's my partner.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
On this, and he's been unbelievable and behind everything and
supportive of everything, and without him, we couldn't do any
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
So it's just one of those things in life.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Dave, that, honest to God, just fell into place and
just feels I'm a pretty three D guy, but boy,
it feels very preordained or guided.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
I'll be honest.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
It's just remarkable how how everything with contact seems to
happen for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
The one thing I love about your event, and I
follow it closely, is the fact that you have speakers
who maybe not the biggest well known names in the field,
but they have incredible research or incredible knowledge about their subject,
whether it's an experience or whether it's the science of

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it all. But you also intermix that with people like
Danny she and Steven Bassett, Richard Dolan, just to make
a name a few, in order to try and and
you know, bring some of that real educational ufology to
the subject matter as well. You've got great scientists, whether

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it's doctor Avi Lobe from Harvard, doctor Eric Davis who's
been in the news and famous for the Wilson Davis notes.
I mean, you have a little bit of everything for everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
Yeah, and it's fascinating, like how things cross over and
cross pollinate, and you know, something like let's take doctor
Diane Hennessy Powell, who I think is one of the
most important people out there right now. She's the scientist
that's behind the telepathy tapes that people have heard about.
Of course, telepathy is very popular in this community because

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almost every contact the experiences reports telepathy telepathic communication.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Well, you know, she thinks.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
That maybe we had this ability long ago, because she's
finding autistic children have this ability with a caregiver, a
mother and they have this connection and they're able to
read each other's mind.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
This is unheard of and it's real.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
They also she just did a talk recently and she's
telling me how these autistic children they've now found they
have elevated levels of DMT in their brain. Wow, never
heard of that. And we have a whole thing on
DMT as well, and people think that that's a real realm.
People that have burns DMT claim that it's more real

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than this reality to them, and how interesting that these
children with these special abilities seem to have elevated levels
of DMT. So we do a whole thing. We bring
doctor Pascal Michael comes in and talks about DMT, Paul Heinek,
we have a whole panel on that. So there's things
that you wouldn't think of that would fit into a
UFO conference that I'll be damned they sort of do

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because it connects.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Like I just explained, when you are choosing the guests
for this and your team is choosing the guests, it's
important to have balance of knowledge and experience. How do
you get everybody to kind of be on the same
page because with seventy people in there, you know, there's
a lot of ego that goes on with that. So

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how do you choose your main speakers from from you know,
the people who may want that top speaking engagement to
be a keynote.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
But it's the hardest part about this whole gig, to
be honest. What we do is we go down to
Gordon's place, which is down in Mexico, and we all
go down there and we all talk about it. We
flesh it out and sometimes beforehand it'll come to one
of us we've we've got an idea for a theme.
You know, we did AI a few years ago and

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we kind of really leaned into AI and we had
last year was the Event Horizon because it felt like
we were building on this disclosure movement. This year the
theme is right here, infinite realms. We are we are
talking about all these different realms, which is anything from

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this three D material realm to the scientists tell us
there's a quantum realm, there's the multiverse. There's the psychedelic
realm in d MT. There's this realm that these children
I was talking about that have autism go to called
the Hill. That's a realm throughout history. There's this realm

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of the Gin. Joshua Kutchen is going to be talking
about the realms of fairies and how these stories in
Ireland a thousand years ago talk about these fairy realms
and when you read one of those stories, Dave, you've
probably seen this. It reads just like a modern day
UFO experience. This being came down from the trees. He

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had big eyes, he was little and skinny, and he spoke.
To my mind, that sounds just like a modern day
alien experience. We just have different lenses on it. So
it starts with the theme, and then we can't have
the same show every year, so we have to flip
over speakers. Even though speakers are great and they did
a great job, we just have to mix it up.

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So we usually kind of lean into the theme. It
starts with the theme. How do you choose your theme?
This infinite realms thing literally came to me in the
middle of the night one night. I woke up at
one o'clock in them like a week before this thing
that we all meet in Mexico, and I wrote it
all out that It just dawned on me. There were

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all these different realms. There's this realm of a gin,
this simulated realm, the ultraterrestrial realm, these multiverse realms.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
There's all these different.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
Places where supposedly these beings the afterlife is a realm.
So this year it just coincidentally happened to be me
that thought of that, and then I presented it and
everybody kind of added to it, and it's very collaborative.
We all sort of do it together, and we chose that.

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It just happened to come to me a week beforehand.
I pitched it sort of and we had a couple
of other ideas we floated, but we kind of were
drawn to this and it always just sort of feels right,
and then hey, we could bring in Diane because she
talks about those realms, and we could bring in this guy,
and we could do this, and then it just sort
of fires off. The synopsis is at that, and then

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next thing, you know, we've kind of got a show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
What's your favorite topics?

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
There are two that stand above everything, and of course
it's UFOs. That's My Beyond Contact podcast is all about
UFOs and contact experiences, So that's number one. And the
other thing that I'm into now, Dave, is this sihability
we're having Dahlia burjon Come. She's one of these people
who their daughter is an autistic savant and they have

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telepathic abilities, and she can literally read a book when
she goes to bed, and her daughter and her can
discuss it the next day because it's as if the
daughter read it as well. Absolutely remarkable stuff that doesn't
seem possible, but it is. And it's also this mind

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sight stuff. I'm a little bit new to that, but
this ability that we can see things without our eyes
and put on a mask and be able to see, read,
detect things. These are part of who we are. So
it's sort of changed my reality because I'm now learning

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that that is in fact real. So those are my
front running things for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
The science is becoming a very important part about this.
I mean, would you look at how many people who
have the preface doctor before their name that you guys have,
whether it's doctor Alvi Lobed, you know, whether it's Diana
Posulka or many others out there who Jacques la Jacques

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val At, yes, and many others. I mean, that's impressive
when you have this many highly educated and highly tapped
in people who want to come talk to the public
about this subject. I think it adds a perception of reality,
whereas if you got say, well, let's say a radio
host like me or or somebody else out there trying

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to say aliens are real, they are here, It doesn't
have the same weight as somebody who has a doctor degree.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
No doubt, a VI lob's saying that. Look how credentialed
he is. A VI lobe making these claims is much
more powerful than you and I saying anything. I mean,
that's that's what we wish we had John Mack. John
Mack would have been the consummate contact of the desert
keynote speaker right there exactly having these guys. We have

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doctor you know, doctor Tom Campbell's coming. You know his
book is called My Big Toe, which is the theory
of everything. How incredible is that? And he's a physicist
and he writes how all of this ties in together
and and that we could be it's a simulation. But

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it's not like we would think it's a simulation. According
to Tom, it's not that we're in some hard drive
on some alien's desk. It's just that we're a closed
system of rules that operates like a simulated reality. Fascinating stuff.
It's fascinating stuff. And again, it's interesting how these things.

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I picture one of those boards, you know where the
cops have the red yarn that goes between this and
this and this and this. These different elements seem to
kind of overlap each other and support each other, and
that's quite fascinating as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Let's talk about the people who come in. You get
a couple thousand people attending this event annually. I mean
that is just massive. To have that amount of congregation
going to a UFO conference. Many people would look at
it and say that's absolutely crazy, but it really is.
I'm going to use the word party to celebrate what

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we love, what we experience, and what we enjoy talking about,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
We always internally kind of talk about it like we're
almost like the We're the people that put on the
annual banquet for all the people in the UFO community.
We just throw this banquet at the end of the
year and everybody comes and talks about their thing. Yeah,
we should have over three thousand people there again, and
it's it's really great having everything. The cross pollination is

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wonderful and we get everything from hardcore people who have
had direct experiences. We have a lot of that, but
we have a lot of people, which I love, that
are curious about this and they're like, what do you
mean you could see without your eyes? That's nonsense. Let
me see if this is real. Hear it from the experts.
Come hear from these PhDs that are telling you this
is real. Come learn about these things. That's why I

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personally want to bring in people that don't know about
these things because I was that guy too. I'm like,
what what is all this? And then you start learning
about it and there's something to it. There's a lot
of fascinating things that are in our world right now
that we don't know about. You come to Contact in
the desert, you learn about those things. As Gordon likes

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to say, when you leave, you're changed forever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
What can people expect take us through? You know, from
the time someone buys their ticket to what happens there.
For those of us who've never.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Been well, when you go to Contact, you know, it's
there's constantly stages, there's always a choice. We always have
a panel going, so basically from nine to seven every
single day there's a panel going somewhere. There's also six
different speakers going somewhere, so you can go to one

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of those. You can pick and choose what you want
to go see. And then in between, you know, we
have this great area with a giant bar and lob
where people hang out and talk. And it's just like
when you go to the movies with somebody and then
you go sit and have a coffee and talk about
what you just saw. Well after hearing an incredible talk,

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you go sit in the lobby and you talk to
your friends and talk to people that are there and
get their opinion and what that guy said. And we
have movies. We have about five or six different movies.
Several of them are world premieres and those play so
you can go see a movie, you can go see
a talk, you can hang out with people from all

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over the world. We have people from Belgium, Switzerland, England, Ireland, everywhere,
it's Australia.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
It's remarkable.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
To bring them all into one area for the love
of this subject is great. How do people get their tickets?
What's the easiest way.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
The easiest way is to go to contact in the
Desert dot com. Everything is on their tickets are on there.
You go right there, buy your ticket online. Show up
very easy. Everything's on there too. All of our speakers,
you can learn all this information, see who's speaking, see
what they're talking about, see who's on the panels. All
of that's going to be on the website. Our podcast

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is on the website as well, so you can learn
everything about contact at that website. It's really well done
and you've got it there. It's got the Infinite Realms
logo up and you can.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Buy here.

Speaker 6 (01:19:27):
Tickets come out and it's just left. But we also
have excursions. Dave, look what you're pulling up there. You
can go off to the Integratron. You can go off
to we do a night SkyWatch with astronomer Mark D'Antonio
pointing out different things in the sky. Beg Jason goes
with him. We have the Crystal Skull is there in person.

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I mean, I'm forgetting things. Look, there's just so many
things to choose from. So it's kind of like a carnival.
There's just like you pick and choose what you want
to do, and then there's parties that and I and
we have a DJ and they have bands. It's just
a giant festival basically. It's grown into that. It's become

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this giant festival.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Who are you looking forward to hanging out with?

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
Well at Jacques Valet, I met him years ago. Obviously
he's a legend. I always love seeing guys like that,
so that's important. Eric Davis is new to our conference,
so I'm very excited about having him. We have a
brand new whistleblower. I'm very excited to beat this guy.
He's going to come forward at our event and tell

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his experience at Vanderberg Air Force Base. JEFFREYSATELLI spoke at
Congress with George Knapp and he testified his experience that
he had and then now this guy's coming forward too,
So you know, having it's always something new. That's always
what I'm kind of interested in. These other guys, you know,

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I get to know him pretty all over the years,
so I kind of know them, so I want to.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
See the new things like that. These guys coming forward.

Speaker 6 (01:21:06):
And Eric Davis were really thrilled about having him at
our festival because he has never come before. And again
the siability stuff that we're going to have workshops and
intensives where you can learn get a cursory overview at
least how to see with a blindfold. On and Gordon
and I have done this, and Dave, I'll tell you

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we can do it. It's remarkable, it is pretty cool. It's
very cool to do. We got three minutes to go
before we have to go to break. At the bottom
of the hour, Captain Ron Jenicx is here. We're talking
about Contact in the Desert, the largest UFO conference in
North America and one of the largest.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
In the world. For people who are coming, what can
they expect, what should they wear, what should they bring
with them? Where do they get hotels?

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Well, they're not going to get at our hotel because
that's been sold out since February. But the good news
is there's tons of hotels right around there. We're in
this beautiful area. If people don't know this area, it's
called the Coachella Valley, and there's these little communities around
Palm Springs. There's Palm Desert, Desert hot Springs lakinto all

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these areas that we're in, Indian Wells, right in the
heart of the Coachella Valley where Coachella Music Festival takes place.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
And so there's tons of hotels right around our area.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
But you're out in beautiful Palm Springs with palm trees, mountains,
perfect weather. I mean, it's just great. A lot of
people just have fun with that. And the resort that
we're at, Dave. It's like a modern resort in Vegas,
Like we have gorgeous pools and it's fantastic. So the

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whole setting is just fantastic. They do a SkyWatch at
night with Chris Bledsoe. They do one that's on the road.
They take a bus over the hill to get to
darkness out in the middle of the desert with D'Antonio.
I mean, it's just an adventure. I mean, there's just
so many things like that. You know, it's an academic
scientific conference that is really a big party, and you

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have fun. So dress casual wear you're contacting the desert shirt,
and have fun. That's the bottom line is have fun,
expand your mind a little bit and you'll be back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
We got about a minute ago before we have to
go to break here, you know, and it sounds so
exciting and for people who are just getting into this subject,
I guess this would be a great indoctrination to learning
what this subject is really all about.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
That's what happened to me.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
I went in twenty fifteen, and I sat through so
many seminars I couldn't even believe it. And it's it
can It's a crash course in all things paranormal, mainly
UFOs and contact ease, and that thing is the mean focus.
But all of these little areas you can get a
cursory understanding of a lot of it. Dip your toe in,

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see what interests you. That's the beauty of having so
many speakers in so many stages. Bounce around, see different things,
get a sense of it, and you can, really if
you're new to these topics, you can learn a lot
and get indoctrinated really fast at Contact in the desert
more than anything I can I can imagine. So in
those five days, you're going to walk away with a

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lot of knowledge about a lot of different things in
our world.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
And for anybody wants to go, this is the one
to go to because you know what it's done right
the first time. And that's what I love about it
is you guys work so hard. It doesn't take just
a couple months to put this together. It takes a
full year and beyond in order to make an event
like this happen. And you have to have a great

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team behind you in order to do that, and congratulations
for you, Ron on having all of that and been
able to take this to the next level. We got
Captain Ron Jennis for another thirty minutes on spaced Out Radio,
more UFO talk when we return.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
You're listening to Space Down Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
All right, we are clear.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Uh that was a like I looked at the clock
and all of a sudden, there's like under three minutes
to go, and I'm like, holy shit, this is moving.
Hold on running, I got you muted. There, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
I said, that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
Usually that that's good when I when I'm doing shows,
it's it's the fast ones that I like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
That means that that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
It's engaging when it when I'm looking at o'clock and
there's still, you know, twenty nine minutes left, and I'm like, whoa, man,
it's going to be long.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
A number of months ago, I had a guest on
and this person was literally giving me ten to fourteen
second answers and I would ask. I would ask this
person a question and I would get a yes or

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an aha or a no.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
And artist thing in the world that I did this
a couple of years ago. I didn't mean to cut
you off there. I just did this a couple of
years ago live on stage.

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
I had.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
I did an interview live on stage with this guy,
and I would ask him like, hey, I understand you're
having a lot of sightings in you about UFOs right
over your house.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Pause pause, yep, No, what do I do with that?
Would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
You got to try and get it out. You got
to try and get it out. It's brutal, isn't it.
Some of these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
You know, you can write a book, you've got great knowledge,
but that doesn't mean really that you can convey that.
You know, everybody has an experience. It doesn't mean they
can convey it to somebody else or they can write
it down. I have read books and went Wow, that
guy's amazing, and then you talk to them and they
just don't have it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I told this person during the break, I said, if
you could do me a favor and expand and go
into detail, paint a picture for me on your answers.
I got an email the next day saying that this
person would never do my show again because I insulted
them with with trying to get.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
Answers out of them this radio, What do you think
people want to hear? Right, it's tough. It's a real
tough thing, right. You know that you never know who's
going to be a witness to something, and maybe that
person is not a very good public speaker, and it's
unfortunate because they're the ones that have seen this.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
But it is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Hey, you know what, it's the chance you take. I mean,
you can the way I look at it, and like
I've told my booking team, we can sit there and
we can try and book all the names that everybody
wants to hear. You're not going to get all those
names because if we're hitting them up, yes we got
a little bit more pull because we're a little bit

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bigger than most of them. But our time, the time
that we're on the radio, that we do this show,
that affects what whether or not people want to stay
up or not. I said, but I want those hidden
gems that are.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
That's it, Bardi. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:00):
And when you get a little conversational, that's that's when
it's engaging. I could sit and listen to you. When
you're getting engaged with somebody, that's what's interesting sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Oh yeah, when you can go off topic, when you
can feel the experience, that makes a good a good
show man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
Yeah all right, well, and it takes you back to
those old days. I hear in the radio, Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
We got about a minute and ten seconds before we're
gonna launch up here. I appreciate you doing this tonight, Ron,
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
I appreciate you man. I think that's very nice for
you to have me on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
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Times too, and Gary for the super chats. If you
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into the second half of spaced Out Radio tonight. My
name is Dave Scott, so glad you are joining us
for the UFO Talk with Captain Ron Jennix, one of
the owners of Contact in the Desert, the largest in
North America when it comes to UFO conferences, and we
want to make sure that you go and check it
on out because the dates are coming quickly May twenty

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eighth June. First, you want to make sure you go
to Contact in the Desert dot com to get your tickets.
Captain Ron, thank you for being here.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
Thanks man, I really appreciate you having me on. It's
always fun and it's coming up awfully quick, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Isn't it amazing? I mean, you probably have so much
to do. Take us through a week if you can
maybe even a day of what a day is like
trying to set up contact.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
Well right now, I mean, you know, Bri and I
start July one and her and I are on here.
We're on Zoom together all day just doing logistical nonsense.
But right now it's when we get super busy because
we have to do the tetris of scheduling seventy different
people and making sure their flight comes in before they
go on stage, and making sure they're not speaking on

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a panel well that's happening, and making sure they're not
talking about the exact same thing the guy in the
next room's talking about. So that's like a three D
Tetris game that we play, which is brutal. And then
you know, seventy speakers have questions, so they reach out
to Brion, I, Hey what about this? And can I
bring this? And should I talk about that? And then

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following up, I need a headshot, I need a bio,
I need all their material. So it's a lot of
back and forth with all that plus the hotel, plus
the attendees, plus the podcasters, plus the filmmakers, plus the staff,
plus the staff, and we have one hundred and fifty
volunteers that help us out, Dave that we couldn't do
the show without. So it's coordinating all of these things together.

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Thank god, we have an incredible staff or I don't
even know how this would be a big mess, but
luckily it goes off without a hitch.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
I got to cut you off right there. Give a
shout out to your staff man. Name them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
I'll name him right now.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
We've got you know, Bree Matts is the producer of
the show, and she's remarkable, and that's why this whole
thing comes together. We've got Jamie doing social media, We've
got adi Page taking care of tickets and customer service,
and Angela does all the vendors. Andre's sister Nicole has
been helping us out, and Stephanie does all the special events,

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the off site stuff, the on site stuff. There's tickets
for each of those. We have Sarah Gorsky who does
all of the website and updates that daily. Somebody's going
to say, hey, that's the wrong headshot, that's the wrong bio,
that's the wrong this. They all just do an amazing job.
They all do amazing job. And Gordon and Christine, who

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own this with me, they do an amazing job of
supporting us and giving us everything we need. And when
we go down there and do our annual meeting with them,
it's like the greatest week it's just wonderful.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
I'm very, very lucky and very blessed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Yeah, that sounds like a blessing man.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Contact come together.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
It's the integrity and everything that we all share, the
love for contact in this. I mean, it really is.
It's it's a very special thing that I'm so glad
to be a part of.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
This has to be the most incredible full time job,
because that's what it is. It's a full time job.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
Me and Bree work full time starting July first, we
work double full time starting April first. This, you know,
this last two months push is just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
How do you handle schedule changes, like all of a sudden,
say a week before somebody gets in a car accident,
one of your speakers gets in a car accident or
falls ill, or something happens that they have to cancel.
How do you handle it happen?

Speaker 6 (01:34:55):
But shockingly, Dave, it's very very small, very We've had
one or two max happen each year. Very small, and
we're typically able to accommodate it. That's one of the
good things about being so big. We got six people
on a panel, well, we could do that panel with five,
and you know that one hour, we'll only have six

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speakers instead of seven going. So it's really not that
big a deal because we're so big. Thankfully we're able
to absorb anything like that. We can usually make a
quick adjustment, so luckily we're okay there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
What subject would you love to add to contact that
hasn't been done.

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
I like some of this stuff, like these new discoveries
under the pyramids. I'd love to bring in some of
the people that have that technology where I don't know
if it's lighter or what, where they can scan under
the pyramid and see the structures. I'd like to bring
in some of those scientists and have them explained because
I hear that, just like all of us. We hear that, oh,

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there's these structures and these pillars and they found this,
but it doesn't mean anything to me. I want I
want to bring those scientists in to come in and
explain to me how the technology works, what it's doing,
what it means that kind of thing. So anything like that,
even light our guys in the jungle, I'd like to
bring in some of the scientific guys that do some

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of the super brand new modern equipment, even the AI
that they're using to scan the skies to determine what's
a true anomaly. How they have these sky scanners that
can tell that's a helicopter, that's an airplane, that's a drone,
this is an anomalous object. I'd like to bring in
one of the guys that has one of those and

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it can maybe demonstrate for us how that works and
that kind of thing. So I'm always cutting edge new technologies.
What's moving the envelope for us, That's always going.

Speaker 5 (01:36:53):
To be the new stuff that I'd love to see.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Since you're not afraid of any topic, have you ever
had a topic where you've kind of blended the wo together,
you know, say, people who have alien contact or a
location that has say UFOs of the sky and Bigfoot
on the ground or something like that. Have you ever
had that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Had what what do you mean by blended together?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
What do you mean like the two subjects like UFOs
and cryptids blended together?

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
Oh, one hundred percent. In fact, one of our panels
this year is called Cryptids and Paranormal and it talks
exactly about that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
And it's one of those things that as you know,
I'm sure you know this, Dave, there's a thing where
somebody sees one thing, like maybe you see a UFO,
you're you're more likely to see something else. And there
seems to be this trend that several of these paranormal
activities may happen to that same person, and it may
or may not be related. It's like somebody that does

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see a bigfoot might see a UFO. Does that mean
the bigfoot came from the UFO? Maybe? How do these
things relate?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Yeah, absolutely, that happens a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
And we have a couple of panels this year, like
I said that specifically address that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely great, absolutely great. Ron Before
I get to a couple of audience questions here for
you personally, what does this event mean to you, not
just because you're the owner, but the fact that you're
able to blend so many different UFO cultures together in

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one harmonious place.

Speaker 6 (01:38:32):
Yeah, exactly, you could just take that out because I,
Bri and I talk about, you know, us as attendees,
what would we like to see? What would we like?
You know, you hear that from famous comics. You know,
what's funny to them is what they use as material. Well,
what's interesting or fascinating to us? Is what we assume
will be interesting or fascinating to the audience because we're

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the audience. And one of the sad things in my life, genuinely,
since I got this great job, I no longer get
to experience contact in the desert like I used to
because I used to go and just say, this is
so much fun. Now it's like it's worked for me.
But you know, I get a chance to go back
and watch the DVDs after you see the replays, and

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it's all stuff that interests me. All of these there's
not a speaker here that I'm not interested in. They
all have something interesting to say, and they all fall
under that overall umbrella of there's more to this world
than we realize.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Who's the one speaker that you would love to see
that you haven't had a chance to have it Contact
in the desert yet.

Speaker 6 (01:39:43):
We've been very fortunate to get pretty much everybody we've
gone after. There's been a couple like Mitchewu Kanku we
tried to get one time that we couldn't get him.
I think that would be the closest one. I'd like
to get some of those guys, some of these physicist
guys I love to get somebody from CERN. Uh well,
we haven't really even tried to do that yet, but

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those would be the things. It would be technology, it
would be high level guys in the world at the
cutting edge of technology. That's the kind of stuff we
would try to bring in. You know, the person has
to have an interest in this too and be willing
to do this. But it's amazing how most people are.
We I can't think of an example outside of Mitchew

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who wouldn't wasn't able to come Normally, if they can't come,
it's literally just scheduling, they're like, well, we'll come next year.
It's amazing how open to this event people are, which
is wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
We're very lucky, as they should be. I mean, because
it is fun. Let's let's be honest.

Speaker 6 (01:40:43):
It's it's very They want to talk to these other PhDs,
and they want to talk to Sheihanna about what's happening,
and they want to meet Jock Valet. It's it's it's
remarkable because a lot of the speakers are are fans
and attendees just like all of us, and it's it's
just awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Let's get to a couple of audience questions here. Sure
Crystal is asking Ron, have you ever had any UFO encounters?

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
I used to My standard answer is no, I have not.
But the truth is I did have one experience one time,
believe it or not, was with doctor Stephen Greer. I
was interviewing him and I was out in Phoenix and
I was interviewing with this historic site where they had
petroglyphs and stuff on the wall, and he pointed in

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the air like this, and I'm like, what is he what?
And I looked, I'll be damned, I saw what looked
to me like a sun. It looked just like the sun,
like a round UFO that like, it looked like the
sun with the.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Corona around it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:52):
And it went right overhead, completely silent, just like we're
an airplane wood. But I mean, it really just looked
like a like a mini soun And he pointed at
and he goes, they know we're here or something like that.
And I cannot explain what that was. So I don't
know what would you want to experience. I do not

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want to have an alien encounter, I'll be honest.

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
I do not.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
I often talk to people and they're like, oh, I
want to and I want to go on the ship
and I want to this and that I do not
if I saw a mantis being, I think I would
lose all control. So no, I have no interest in that.
I would love to see a giant UFO craft with
a big crowd right over Contact in the Desert. And

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every year it seems to be that people do see
stuff there, so that's a good place.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
So maybe maybe I'll get lucky this year.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Do you ever get to have fun during the show?
Do you ever get to participate?

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
I do?

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
I mean, you know, we're so busy, but in the
evening time when things kind of slow down, I absolutely
have fun. And it's fun for me just to get
to see these people together and just to hear the
stories from the attendees. And I love meeting people from
all over the world. That's particularly fun to me. Oh yeah,
we came in from Switzerland. We came in from Australia
last night.

Speaker 10 (01:43:19):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:43:20):
Now did you hear about Contact in the desert and
look at the effort you made to come here. Wow,
I'm moved by that and excited by that, and then
I want to hear it. Inevitably, they either have a
story or they heard about our event and they're fascinated.
So that's always fun.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Oh, that's absolutely great. I got a pair of questions
from Joe here in California, and his first question is,
if ardamis two sees something UFO related on the Moon,
you think they'll have the live feed cameras going. Do
you think they'll tell.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
Us, Joe, you know the answer to that question, and
absolutely not. Of course not. They will not tell us,
and they will if they have live cameras. They're on
the way and there's no way that lets something slip through.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
I don't think so either. I don't think so. And
you know what reminds me of that, And a more
recent example is a couple of years ago in Mars
are part of Me, when China landed their rover on
the Moon and one of the first pictures that came
out publicly there was like a little box way off
in the distance sticking up from the ground and they

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said it was some sort of anomaly or or you know,
just build up of dirt or from a crater or
whatever it was. No, it was a square box. You
could go look this photo up. If they're not going
to tell us what that was, because allegedly they drove
the rover over to it and it was a total

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captain or chief wigam nothing to see here, people, nothing
to see here, you know, But I don't believe that. Ron.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
Just the other day they had one that was a
cone shape. Did you see this, No, it's all rocks
and stuff Google cone shape. I just saw it in
the last two three days, and there's like this perfect
cone that they saw I think it was on Mars
and the rover and of course they had some you know,

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they dismissed it somehow, but it was a fascinating picture
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Yeah, there was there was this other photo I just
saw on Mars as well, where it looked like somebody
had stuffed a you know when you when you step
on a pop can, I guess for half of the
American audience a soda can, you know, and it's on.

Speaker 5 (01:45:45):
Pop I'm from Cleveland, man, I say pop or I
used to anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
But it looked like somebody had crushed crushed a can
and then tucked it in between two rocks. And they
got the camera zoomed in on this, and you know,
the camera then zoom's off. It's like, really, who's drinking
Pepsi or Coca cola up on Mars right now, you know?
Or is it that it is colonized already, but they

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don't want to tell us.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
I will not go that far, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
No me either, me either, I don't I don't even know.
Let's get back to Joe here for another question, which is,
what do you think happens to the people that are
abducted and are not brought back?

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
Well, that's interesting because obviously we don't know. I mean,
obviously you know that missing four to one one stuff
that was done by David Polates.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
Is interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:46:37):
How there is a substantial number of people that do
go missing, and why would it not be possible that
at least a fraction of those people are indeed abducted,
and maybe they forgot where they went, or they kept
them or you know. I have no idea where to
even guess on this one, Joe, but I certainly think

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it's possible. And then while you get to live on
a spaceship.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Wow, here's one of the big questions that I have.

Speaker 11 (01:47:07):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Let's say you're an abductee, okay, or a contact d
and you find out through this whole disclosure movement that
the government knew that you were a contact ee, what
would you do?

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
Well, I think that actually happens, and I think that's
extremely scary because to me, in some respects that's scarier
than the fact of being an abductee to begin with.
Because now you've got our government watching you all the time.

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It'd be very hard to lie to them because obviously
they're going to be able to track you and watch
you and everything. I don't know, I would be scared
out of my wits. I would probably seek out help
groups that other people that have had these kind of experiences,
because that would be terrifying. Just like when it first
happened to Whitley, he said, I don't even know where

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to turn to. I think I would lawyer up. Yeah, well,
good luck. I mean, you know, that's pretty powerful people.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Oh I get that. I get that, But you know
what they'll pay to settle. They'll pay to settle, you know.
But I don't know. I've thought about that recently, like
in the whole disclosure movement, Like what would happen if
all of a sudden, you know, they release a list
and say there's twenty five thousand American people whose names

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are on that list. That they know are contact ease.
And I'm not talking about Chris Bledsoe. I'm saying just ordinary, average,
everyday people who are keeping a secret because they don't
want people around them to think they're a bunch of lunatics.
You know. That would that would be frightening if all
of a sudden there was that list that that happened.

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And I agree with you, I think there is some
sort of list out there. If there is, especially if
there is a deal of trading humans for technology.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
Yeah, I would not be a bit surprised that there's
a list at all. And you know, we often hear
those reports from from them, you know, the my lab
stuff and the people already, you know, your life has
already turned upside down because you've had this bizarre contact
the experience. Now you've got government people sitting outside your window.
I mean, I feel for these folks. I mean, that's

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worse Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Yeah, that's kind of insane. It is kind of insane.
Hard to believe. We only have about five minutes left
with you tonight. We're talking with Captain Ron Jennix from
Contact in the Desert. You can go to Contact in
the Desert dot com to get your tickets for May
twenty eighth through June first. It's going to be an
absolutely interstellar event in the Coachella area of California. Run

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in regards to what is going to happen the rest
of the year, regarding UFOs, we got eight months left.
Where do you see this subject going. There's a big
push for disclosure, there's the big push for a truth
movement to end the truth embargo. As Steve Bassett likes
to say, where do you see things going in the

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next number of months.

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
Well, Christopher Lee has come out and said that Trump's
going to read out a disclosure statement in early July.
I don't see that happening. I don't think we're going
to get any movement on that. I think it's going
to be pretty much what you saw in the last
twelve months is going to happen in the next twelve months.
That's my prediction. I do not see anything changing. I
do like more people taking an interest in this, more

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people coming forward, and we often hear of different whistleblowers
that are waiting in the wings. Again, we're debuting a
brand new one at Content in the Desert. I think
there'll be others coming forward. And again that's just pushing
that rock up the hill another little bit, another little bit.
I think that part will keep moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
I think you're kind of moving the ball forward too.
Do you think we're going to get more hearings this year?

Speaker 5 (01:51:16):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:51:17):
I've never seen people in Congress talk about this so much,
Between Luna and Eric Burlason and Burshett, I mean, they're
going to call for a hearing?

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
Why not? I absolutely think we will.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
If Captain Ron was choosing who would speak in the hearings,
who would be your top three that you would want
to see?

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Well, Daniel Sheehan number one, I think, of course, George Napp,
who did talk in the hearings. I thought he was
outstanding and he's a perfect representative. And then the third
one would be Lakatski, which is the guy that George
Knapp referenced during his testimony, and Katsky's come forward and

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he knows a lot of stuff, and I think that
would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
I would personally, if I had my list of three,
I would want Steve Justice, formerly of the Two of
the Stars Academy and former vice president of Lockheed Skunkworks.
Because you don't leave skunkworks for the TTSA unless you've
seen things and know things. I would love to see
Chris Mellon there. He needs to go on the hot

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seat about this. Being a former Secretary Assistant DIA or
Assistant Secretary to the DIA, I think he needs to
be there as well. And I also think my third
if I were to think, I think it's time for
somebody like Jacques Vallet to get up there. Let's get

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some science behind this.

Speaker 6 (01:52:52):
I would love to see Jacques Vallet testify in Congress.
That would be fantastic. He's got a lot of knowledge.
He's been at this longer than anyone. That would be
a good call. I would love to see Jacques Vallet
do that. I mean, let's start a thing and push
for it, because I'd love to see it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
But I think what has to happen first, though, is
these congressional hearings need to have the power to subpoena
people because right now they're taking people on merit, they're
not taking people. Because I know they've tried to call
Chris Melon up a couple of times and the last
time he's like, yeah, no, I'm going on vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:53:31):
Yeah, they need some peanut.

Speaker 6 (01:53:31):
But we need to get that up Act in its
original form back through Congress, get that thing passed, which
could happen. And if that happens, according to the people
that I've talked to, that's going to give them a
lot more teeth and ability to do things. So let's
hope that that happens, because that might actually move the
needle a little bit forward, not the full disclosure, but

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it will move things a little bit forward and we
might get a little bit of knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
What do you think? Final question for you, what do
you think is going to be the reaction from the
public after the Disclosure Day movement or Disclosure Day movie comes.

Speaker 6 (01:54:08):
Out ten days after Contact in the Desert? I cannot
wait for this. Obviously, how great did that sync up?
Let's hope it's great. Look what Close Encounters of the
Third kind did and what it was, and look at
it through today's lens fifty years later. BOYD, does that
follow right along the UFO abductee contact experience? Er, it's

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right out of the folklore. So I think it was
very true and it rang true. So let's hope that
this film also rings true. I'm betting that it does.
Because that's the way Spielbert is about this subject.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Captain Ron Jennings from Contact in the Desert, we appreciate
you being here, coming up next to nowur three swamp Dweller,
then the UFO Report with Grant.

Speaker 9 (01:54:57):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
Great job tonight, Captain Ron. You're the best, Hey, buddy,
I really appreciate it. Thanks thanks for having me on.
I appreciate all this man. Thanks to Dan for setting
this up. To appreciate that absolutely. Take care. Bye bye,
Captain Ron James. There's Grand Tavis right there.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
Look at all styling and profiling like a modern day
Rick Flair from the redneck villa of Klamath Falls, Oregon.
I'm gonna put you in the green room. I'm gonna
take a little break here, buddy. I'll be right back,
all right. I'll get you guys to take a look at.

Speaker 12 (01:55:49):
That USUS, USA, USA, USA, US.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Right, let's bring in Grant there he is.

Speaker 7 (02:00:30):
What's happening, buddy, you know, just hanging out? So where
do you think? How do you like the straws?

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
I haven't got them yet, I will. I gotta go
to my mailbox tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (02:00:44):
Okay, I was gonna say it says delivered. I was
all excited.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
I never got it. It must be my mail.

Speaker 7 (02:00:52):
Oh I sent it to your po box.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, Hi Amy, we've got thirty seconds.
Thank you tonight to Pam, Jeremy Times too, Gary and
Lil Cam for the super chats. Greatly appreciate your love
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Speaker 14 (02:03:09):
I never thought I would be doing this, but this
started two hours ago. I was at my aunt's birthday
party and their house was pretty haunted. When they first
moved into it, I knew there was always something there
watching me, but now I know why I have that feeling.
They are demons or other monsters of the nights, and

(02:03:30):
they would always attempt to do things. My mom told
me that my aunt's hair was being pulled on before,
and I would ask questions about it, but I stopped
with the supernatural stuff. After they got the house blessed.
I recently got back into that stuff though, like skim
walkers and the like, I've had some experiences with them.

Speaker 10 (02:03:52):
So back to the actual story.

Speaker 14 (02:03:54):
I was sitting on my aunt's couch and I had
this feeling that someone was watching me. I thought it
could be a skim walker that followed me there, but
I'm not so sure it was. But I also can't
say that it's not. I thought it might be my
cousin who was always trying to scare me. But when
I turned around, I saw something I can't really explain.

(02:04:18):
I saw this black thing walk by and duck down
under the back of the couch. I look back there
and there's no one there. So I looked up and
see my uncle, who was down the hallway that is
looking behind the couch. He's looking at me with eyes
of fear. He is my aunt's husband who saw it.

(02:04:39):
We look at each other, and I get the feeling
of dread. I know that we both saw it. So
I get up and walk out to the kitchen to
see where my sister is. I was told she was
in the basement. I went down there and told her
that I am going to leave because I saw something
and I'm not going to stay anymore. She says, not
the place in time. So I to my dad, who

(02:05:00):
was in the kitchen, and tell him I am leaving.
He says okay. So I go to my mom. But
then I look at my uncle one last time and
he still has that same face. So I tell my
mom I'm leaving. My Graham lives across the street from
my aunt's house, so I go there with the feeling
of dread and someone watching me. As I'm walking across

(02:05:20):
the street, I swear I hear footstep behind me, but
every time I look, I don't see anything.

Speaker 10 (02:05:27):
The moment that I get out the door, though, it stops.

Speaker 14 (02:05:32):
So fast forward and I'm in the car with my
mom and sister and we are talking about it.

Speaker 10 (02:05:37):
My mom says that.

Speaker 14 (02:05:39):
Maybe there was a ghost attached to you, So you know,
I start rolling my eyes, laughing, thinking it maybe, but
I don't think it's so you know simple. I'm in
the shower and I hear an old man voice say
help me, and I look to see if anyone is
out there.

Speaker 10 (02:05:56):
No one in my bathroom.

Speaker 14 (02:05:58):
I hear these weird noises coming from side, though, and
as I look outside, I swear I see a deer
staring at me from the edge of the woodline that's
near my house.

Speaker 10 (02:06:08):
I don't know. All of this is just so random.

Speaker 14 (02:06:11):
It kind of sounds like a ghost encounter at the
same time, I can't explain all the other weird things.
Do you guys think this is a skim walker messing
with me? Have you guys ever heard of a skim
walker's doing these kind of things? I'd love to know
in the comments if you have any idea.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
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Get to grant the stars to night.

Speaker 15 (02:06:54):
Scy Grant Store breaking Through comes into view, jo Gota

(02:07:35):
becomes a soul all right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
Grant Baker aka Grantavius Max a k a UFO Max
aka the Stellar Voice of our UFO Report. How you doing,
my friend?

Speaker 7 (02:07:49):
Oh dude, I'm so happy to be here tonight. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
We got a lot to talk about tonight. We're gonna
just jump right in it. We're gonna start off with
the the still missing Major General Neil mccaslyn because it
was released earlier today. The audio the nine to one
to one audio from his wife. And this is a

(02:08:14):
little bit weird because she seems concerned, but it almost
sounds like it's not out of the ordinary.

Speaker 7 (02:08:23):
Not only not out of the ordinary, but even with
the nine to one one audio that we got to
listen to, it was very nonchalant, fat based. She knows
her husband, knew what to look for. And once we
go through it, as I'm thinking that you're going to
play it for us, there's a few key points I

(02:08:46):
want to point out. As soon as we're don't listening to.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
This all right, we want to say thank you to
Long Crime Sidebar with Jesse Weber for the audio. Here.

Speaker 16 (02:08:54):
It's April. Help you, h April.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
My name is Susan Wilkerson. My husband is missing and
it's been about three hours and I have some indication
that he must have planned not to be found. He's
left his phone, he changed his clothes into I don't
know what I think he's on foot. All of our
cars and bicycles are in the garage. I left for

(02:09:20):
a doctor's appointment at about eleven ten, and he was
here at that time at the house. And I got
back from that at noon and he was gone. He
turned it off and left it behind, which seems kind
of deliberate because he's always got his phone. He has
a smart watch. I don't know if that's with him

(02:09:43):
or not.

Speaker 16 (02:09:44):
Has he ever done this before?

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
Never, nothing even remotely like it. He's a retired Air
Force major general. He's very responsible, but he's also facing
some medical issues.

Speaker 16 (02:09:57):
Do you have any video at your home?

Speaker 7 (02:10:00):
No?

Speaker 16 (02:10:02):
Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
Well, we've been seeing the docks for both physical and
mental in terms of anxiety, short term memory loss, lack
of sleep. The same doc I went to see today.

Speaker 16 (02:10:21):
Did he carry any weapons on him?

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
Well, not generally. He does have a gun safe, and
I went to look in the gun safe to see
if anything was missing, but I couldn't tell if anything was.
He has quite a number of pistols and rifles. Other
than saying if his brain and body keeps terriorating, he
didn't want to live like that, but it seemed to

(02:10:46):
me that was just a man, I hate how this
is going kind of thing, because I told him, yes
you do, yes you do.

Speaker 16 (02:10:53):
Okay, we're going to send some deputies up to talk
to you. Sees he can search a little bit and
see what's going on. Okay, sure, thank you very much,
you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 7 (02:11:03):
Grant? A few things, Just as you pointed out before
we listened to that. Excuse me, the nonchalant part of
this is almost expected. She not like we expected of her,
but this is something that she expected. It was my
husband's missing. It's been about three hours, and she was

(02:11:26):
just kind of nonchalant about it. She already looked in
the gun safe, looked at the phone. It was off
noted that he changed his clothes, because if you read
further into the report, he was wearing a different outfit
when she came home. There are little tidbits of information
running around right now where those clothes she had found

(02:11:46):
back in his closet and that he had changed out
of him. That's why she said he changed his clothes.
And this this was very deliberate, and she knows her husband,
so this is this is something that he got actually
cognative to belief did on his own and in her mind.

(02:12:07):
And the fact, if you look at the narrative that
we're listening to, it is it is cut up a
little bit as people would expect, and you can tell
there's a little bit of glitch here and there where
they have taken certain things out, i e. Personal information address,
even though we all know the address now. But yes,
this is this is very very interesting phone call. The

(02:12:30):
matter of fact, business like attitude that she had about
this kind of speaks volumes on what he may be doing.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
Yeah, that's one of the things that I noticed with
that too, is how calm her demeanor was.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
I mean she is either one of the strongest women
out there or she is like, oh my god, like
just holding it together to stay very calm at that time.
Either way, she did a I thought a great job.
But I mean just how she was able to describe

(02:13:08):
things like the clothing change, you know, and describe the
detail about how his phone was not with him. It
was almost like he wanted to leave, you know. It's
very very intriguing and telling it, there's still not many
clues that they have at least released publicly in New
Mexico about this when he went missing. That we're talking

(02:13:31):
about Major General Neil McCaslin here, who went missing on
February twenty seventh. Now, I don't know if it's conspiracy
theory or not, but this story, with all of the
scientists that seem to have have told stories to congress
or congressional people behind the scenes about UFOs, it's just

(02:13:53):
getting very very weird.

Speaker 7 (02:13:56):
Oh, just the plot thickens, as they say, and the
fact that she had the frame of mind to go
look at the gun case, you know, and to see
if anything was missing out of there, and she didn't
notice anything that might have been deliberately taken, but things
were deliberately left. And she knows her husband, you know,

(02:14:19):
he's a smart individual. You don't become a major general
by being dumb. This guy is to a tee. He
does things by the second, has everything planned out in
his life. I mean, it's just ingrained in who he
is now and with his background. I'm sure I'm sure
she knows that there must have been between you know,

(02:14:39):
me and my wife if something was to happen, that
we have a plan. We have a bug out plan.
Is what we call it. We have a bug out box.
We have each you know, child and individual in the
house has their backs fully loaded ready to go. If
something was to happen, we know what to do. And
I guarantee you that they've had this conversation before. He
might have not have gone as are in depth where

(02:15:01):
he would tell, hey, this happens, it's for a reason,
and that's probably the reason why she's acting is nonchalant
as she is. It wasn't expected. It might have been
a surprise at her, which is why she's calling the authorities.
But at the same time, what do you do? You know,
though it didn't sound like she was very surprised as
it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (02:15:22):
From the missing general to a former congress person who
is talking a lot of big news right now. Matt
Gates was on the Benny Johnson podcast and he made
some very very intriguing comments about alien hybridization program. I

(02:15:47):
think the most.

Speaker 17 (02:15:48):
Important information will be the biologics that are not human
that have been discovered, and like even some of the
briefings that aren't classified just need to be out in
the public. I mean, I had someone and brief me
who was in a military uniform worked for the United
States Army that was briefing me on the locations of
hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans

(02:16:12):
to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication.
An actual uniform member of the United States Army brief
me on that that's scary.

Speaker 7 (02:16:26):
There's a lot of takeaway when you listen to this.
And he said it twice, and the second time he
said it was a little bit more deliberate, gave a
little bit more information. We're hearing the more energetic version
of it right now within the same exact program. He
had said this twice, he reiterated it. The biggest takeaway

(02:16:47):
that you will find here is when not the military
man that's kind of disclosing this to him, is the captured.
Captured want people to understand aliens are being forced into
a hybrid program with you know, genetically modifying our DNA

(02:17:07):
with their DNA binatial means and trying to become more
integrated into the psychic versions. You know how everybody says, oh,
I've met an alien. They didn't speak with their mouth,
They spake spoke through their minds and in my mind
and they got lost in their eyes. So we're hearing
this now. Where the sad thing about it is these

(02:17:28):
are captured aliens, captured ets. This is where you go
back to David Grush when he's getting when the representatives
were just hounding him with question after question, and he's like, yes,
we have biologics, we have biologics. It's it's the same
brain that it just gives more credence to what he

(02:17:52):
was saying back then when he was on the panel. So,
I mean, there's a little bit of spookiness here, and
quite a bit and I don't know where to take it.
If it's true. We got a lot of explaining it
to do.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
I found the whole captured aliens quite interesting. How would
they even think, well, let's bring in a bunch of
humans and see if we could cross breed them with aliens? Like,
how did that even come about? It opens up if true,
it opens up so many different questions. Okay, who set

(02:18:32):
up the hybridization program? Okay, because for most people who've
been a part of it, they claim it's the aliens
who take them to do it, not captured aliens by
the US government. There's allegedly fourteen bases or locations where
this is happening. How are they choosing the people? Are

(02:18:53):
they volunteers? Are they missing people? Are they captured people?
Are they current people? Like we were talking with Captain
Ron Jenix about maybe there's a list of people who
have been taken that they know of. There is all
these questions now that open up to this grant.

Speaker 7 (02:19:12):
Not only that, when when he actually went on to
say the people that they were taking into this program
human Homo sapiens us as human beings were taken from
war zones, migrant caravans and you know, and and being
bred by the military with these aliens. And so it's

(02:19:34):
almost like, okay, well, let's take human and I hate
to say it this way, but human fodder, people that
they don't care about, and try it on them like
guinea pigs. Once they figure out how to do it genetically,
then okay, now let's take you know, our top best
and what we find works with them and then bring it.

(02:19:55):
It's it's just like cloning a sheep when we heard
it back when I was in high school. Oh, we've
got a cheap whatever it is that we've phoned and whatnot.
And it's kind of a six story and that you know.
I was talking to my son about this tonight. Actually
I was like what if you were et and being like, man,
you go down there, they get him, they're going to

(02:20:17):
take down our ships, they're going to capture you, and
who knows what they're going to do with you. And
then of course we start finding out this and you're
like gosh, like that's that's that. This gets real bad,
real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Well, it also is very illegal if they're kidnapping people
from different countries, especially third world countries, to do this
where you know, there isn't a big record of citizenship
in some of these countries. So are they going to
countries where this is happening, Are they set up over

(02:20:53):
there or are they bringing those those whether it's children
or whether it's people. I mean, that is highly illegal.

Speaker 7 (02:21:01):
Well it's not only highly illegal, but I mean you
have all the missing people. I'll just say people. I'm
not going to discriminate on who, what type, what gender, age,
or anything like that. But then you also think about
you go back to the missing four one one, where
are they going? This has been happening probably for years
for them to get to this point, so it kind

(02:21:23):
of makes you wonder, hey, how long has been happening.
B I don't think that they're actually designating war zones
and caravans for certain you know, women, men, children, whatever
it is that they're taking. I think they're doing it globally.
Oh look, this guy's ten fifteen, twenty miles away from
civilization out in the middle of the woods. That's a

(02:21:44):
perfect subject, baying, go down, pick them up, take them away.
No one's going to see them. Like. It could happen anywhere,
war zone, hectic. You know, things are crazy anyway when
you're in that type of area. You know, a kid
gets lost from mom, Hey mom, or whatever, wife gets
lost from the husband and they're like, hey, follow less,
we'll take you to safety, and the way they go,

(02:22:06):
I mean it's super legal, super illegal. But in those
type of situations, who's there to have a video camera onnormore,
who's ever you know, to witness this going on. I mean,
it's it's gross.

Speaker 1 (02:22:23):
It really is. And if this is true, or even
a portion of it is true, this is something that
if the American public got upset with this, could collapse
a government.

Speaker 7 (02:22:38):
Yes, there's much more to be said about that, which
I'm sure we will get to with certain senators and yeah,
not only could it collapse a government, it could more
or less. It's gonna make a lot of people angry,
and there's gonna be a whole lot of questioning going on,

(02:22:59):
and there's going to be a lot of demanding of
the truth. And with all rights that I mean that
should happen. This shouldn't happen to people's rights, individual rights.
You should not be taken away and forced upon some
alien species or whatever type of genetic, weird signed stuff
that they're doing. Like, there's no part of it that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
It's just so uncomfortable to even hear that. And we're
going to follow up in the next half hour. You
know what Congressman Timbershett said about this as well, because
that adds an entire different layer to what Matt gets
had stated.

Speaker 5 (02:23:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Unfortunately, because that's on Fox News and we got to
play by the rules of different copyright rules that Fox
News puts out on on programs like YouTube, we got
to we can't play that audio. But we'll get into that.
It is this is getting uglier, you know, it really is.

(02:24:03):
This isn't just about you know, propulsion systems and Andy
gravitics anymore, Grant.

Speaker 7 (02:24:10):
You know, and that's that's one thing that I used
to te a lot. You know, when we look at
the flying saucers in the sky of the orbs, everybody's
looking at their cars, and I kept saying, like, what
else do they have? What other technology do they have?
Because all we're doing is seeing what they're driving. And
this is starting to go down that rabbit hole where

(02:24:31):
now we're starting to see exactly where they're going with it,
or at least a portion of where they're going with it.
And it's disturbing. It really is. And when we start
talking about what Brishette says, it gets even more disturbing.
Paris work.

Speaker 1 (02:24:45):
Grant Baker, UFO Max on the UFO Report. If we
continue with this disturbing trend of UFOs next is.

Speaker 9 (02:24:54):
Based out radio and your hopes Nay Scott.

Speaker 11 (02:25:00):
H all right, we're clear, and I wish we had
more in an hour?

Speaker 5 (02:25:20):
Damn it?

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
What's that?

Speaker 7 (02:25:22):
I wish we had more in an hour? Oh yeah, no,
this one's bad, bro, Yeah yeah, this is this is
more than an hour.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
Oh gosh, Claudette, how are you? Nice to see you?
Claudette just bought her tickets for Caribou kan Yeah she did.
How cool is that? By Garrington? How you doing? I'm

(02:25:57):
gonna be making some Caribou con videos this weekend.

Speaker 7 (02:26:00):
It'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Oh that now, Amy Alo, you got me interested. That
sounds creepy. You got to reach out to be on
social media. We can talk be tuned tobacco packs. Don't
judge me like I'm jealous right now, I'm jealous.

Speaker 7 (02:26:30):
And so my brother, this is funny. He lives down
in California, So I buy him logs and send him
down there because they're like ten dollars down there and
they're only five bucks up here.

Speaker 1 (02:26:42):
So how sexy Dan doing?

Speaker 7 (02:26:47):
He's working a lot, so he went back to doing
twenty four hour shifts. He's a registered nurse for the
EE for R ED Department, and he's just working his buns.
And he stops by every now and then. He gives
me weird little toys to play with. But I don't

(02:27:08):
know he's he's a guy. He's a funny guy. He
knows I like rub excubes, so he gave me one.
It is completely completely wild, though it's missing a couple
of pieces of nights triangles and stuff and yet to
figure this one out. But I will. He's great, He's
doing great.

Speaker 1 (02:27:28):
I've never saw the Rubik's cube.

Speaker 7 (02:27:32):
I can do two all the way up to seven,
seven by seven. It just takes me a minute to
figure it out. How many likes do we have? Did
I like? I did?

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
Like?

Speaker 11 (02:27:51):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:27:52):
One twenty five? Good job, guys, keep going, let's get
to one hundred and fifty one. If you haven't liked yet,
it's shit.

Speaker 1 (02:28:06):
I don't have to work tomorrow. I'm so happy. Oh
I get to sleep in.

Speaker 5 (02:28:13):
Oh I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:28:15):
I'm going to sleep again. I'm so looking forward to it.

Speaker 7 (02:28:21):
You're going to sleep until we seven?

Speaker 1 (02:28:24):
No, I'm gonna. Well it's good Friday, right, Yeah, So
I'm going to sleep in till about nine o'clock.

Speaker 7 (02:28:33):
M hm, dude, you'd be so lucky.

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
Oh man, Oh dude, nine o'clock would give me eight
hours because I go to bed, I try and turn
my lights off at one. Salad, how you doing? I
did the exact same thing, Salad says. I eventually peeled
and switched the stickers on my Rubics Cube. I totally

(02:29:00):
did that.

Speaker 7 (02:29:03):
They don't stick, right though.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
Kevin Sprague, how you doing.

Speaker 7 (02:29:12):
Yeah, I learned on the three by three, and so
I own a one carpet cleaning And every time I
go into a house and I'm cleaning carpets, It's happened
about ten times in my life. I'll see a Ruby's
cube sitting on whoever whatever room I'm in, and I'll
stop real quick, solve it and put it down and
just leave it there for him to find. No one's

(02:29:34):
ever said anything to me about it either. I think
when they come home, they're like, who the hell did this?
But they have no idea anything's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:29:44):
I once pop the cap off the middle of a
Rubic's cube so that way I could put it back together.

Speaker 7 (02:29:52):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen people do that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
I like puzzles though, like I don't know if you
and see it here, but right here, I have a
wooden puzzle.

Speaker 7 (02:30:05):
Oh oh yes, yeah, I got that one. I have
that one.

Speaker 1 (02:30:16):
I like ones like this. I could take it all
apart and put it back together.

Speaker 7 (02:30:20):
But yes, I got it. I got a couple I'm
gonna send you. Then I got about six. There's seven
of us I'm gonna send you.

Speaker 1 (02:30:29):
I like the how do Yama puzzles?

Speaker 7 (02:30:32):
Oh, I got one for you. I got, I got
a UFO puzzle. Can I send that to you. It's
all steel though, so it's fine. Here we go, Here
we go.

Speaker 8 (02:30:59):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:31:00):
All right, the final half hour spaced out radio. We
continue with the UFO Report with Grant Baker, and we
are going to get into Congressman Timbershett responding on Fox
News about what Matt Gaets, former congressperson, said about the
alien hybridization program where captured aliens are at an American

(02:31:22):
base and they are reproducing with humans, and these humans
may have been kidnapped from other third world countries. It
sounds wild, buddy. This is the stuff that people did
not listen to us for just a few years ago.
This is the big time tinfoil hat woo here, Grant Hey.

Speaker 7 (02:31:44):
Not only that, but the interviewer said, I'm not wearing
my tinfoil hat right now. And then talk to Burshett
and says, hey, I know you're in UFO. Did you
see that little smile that Burshette gave when he said
that into the UFO domain. And the good thing is
that we can read what he said well, talking when
he was asked on Gates hybrid breeding claims you know,

(02:32:07):
and this is a quote coming from Burshet. He says, well,
I'm still a member of Congress, so I can't really
comment too much on what Matt said, but I will
say this. And of course the host followed up with like,
are you serious, and he's like, no, I'm one hundred
percent serious. And he goes on to speak on it,

(02:32:27):
and he actually gets kind of upset and he's quote
unquote sick of it, and you know, he starts in,
I don't I don't know if you want to start
talking about the briefings now, but he says, you know,
I've been briefed by just about every alphabet agency there is.
And this is when he kind of breaks down. He says,
I'll just tell you this, if they would release the

(02:32:50):
things that I've seen, you would stay up And then
he stopped and said, you'd be up at night worrying
about or thinking about this stuff, which just need to
disclose it all. I'm sick of it.

Speaker 1 (02:33:03):
He also goes on to say this was on Newsmax,
not Fox News. I apologize. He goes on to say
what he saw that he's been briefed on about aliens
to UAPs, it would have set the earth on fire.
This country would have come unglued, and then he goes on.
Mario Newfall reported on this on X saying Burshett, who

(02:33:26):
had been briefed by nearly every intelligence agency, told viewers
he is not suicidal and demanded full disclosure, and as
you said, saying, he's sick of this secrecy.

Speaker 7 (02:33:37):
So he actually was briefed, and he made a mistake,
he said last week on the issue. And then he said,
excuse me, it was two weeks ago, and he said
it would have set the earth on but then he
stopped right before he said fire. He said, this country
would have to this country would have come on glued.
And then he went on and said, I think if

(02:33:58):
they would have heard all that I've heard, they would
demand answers. And there's of course alternative phrasings. You know,
if the public knew what alphabet agencies were telling Congress
about UFOs, the country would have come on gluten. Well,
it would have been set on fire. And I believe
that whole hardly. I believe it's a program. Just like

(02:34:19):
we were speaking on before. That is so bad. It
just it got to him. You could totally tell it
got to him, and he's so upset about it that
the world needs to know well.

Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
One of the other things too, is a follow up
from General Mike Flynn on X said, I believe at
tim Bershet he is not a manned to mince words
or to short sell the normal political bs, but be
aware of a false flag alien operation by rogue elements

(02:34:54):
inside the US government.

Speaker 7 (02:35:01):
Yeah, it's hard to take that. You got to take
everything that anybody says in Congress or the government period
with the great of salt. When you look at how
steadfast his facial expressions were when he talked about this.
I would love to have one of those facial recognition guys,
you know, the guys that can see if someone's what

(02:35:23):
they're thinking and their eyebrow raise or they look up
or look down when they're saying something, and get their
diagnosis on it as well. Because there's just so many
misleading things and cover ups and now we have unlied people.
And he goes on to speak about these things. He
seems genuine, and you just got to take it with

(02:35:46):
a grain of salt, take away what you want out
of it. In my world, I'm looking at him going, Okay,
you know, I hear this I heard Babbitt in Australia
say something on April full stay, which was way too
coincidental for me, but we'll get to that later. And
it's just it's really difficult when we know things are happening,

(02:36:11):
we see them. The government is taking steps and directions
for maybe a lowercase D disclosure, but it's getting dark
and it's going to be very interesting next few months,
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
Moving on. Anna Paulina Luna, the Congresswoman, sent a letter
to Pete Hesketh, the Secretary of War, and she put
it out on March thirty first, and this letter is
pretty powerful. She goes The Committee on Oversight and Government

(02:36:52):
Reform TOSS Reforms Task Force on the Classification of Federal
Secrets is continuing its investigation unidentified aerial phenomena. The continued
lack of transparencies surrounded these anomalies and the potential national
security threat they pose is troubling. On September ninth, twenty

(02:37:13):
twenty five, the task Force held a hearing focused on
these concerns. Whistleblowers informed the task Force that AEROW possesses
additional video records of potential UAP sightings. To continue its investigation,
the Task Force requests certain video files related to UAP sightings.

(02:37:36):
The lack of disclosure regarding these very real threats posed
by the UAPs in and around the US restricted airspace
is concerning. The Task Force has found responses from Aero,
when questioned about UAP sightings, had provided data less than adequate.
The presence of UAP in and around the sensitive air

(02:37:59):
spaces of US military installations poses a threat to the
security of the Armed Forces and their readiness to assist
the Task Force in its investigation of UAP. We have
requestioned the following videos delivered as soon as possible. There's
like forty of them. I'm gonna read some of these

(02:38:20):
off for UAP formation in Iran August twenty six, twenty
twenty two, Syrian UAP Instant Acceleration twenty twenty one, UAP
USO formation Wiley two x zinc. I'm not sure what
that means. Cigar shaped or flat shaped, spherical UAP October fifteenth,

(02:38:43):
twenty twenty two. This list goes on for another page,
two pages, and it is absolutely astounding that she allowed
this letter to go public. She then states the Committee
on Oversight and Government Reform is the Principal Oversight Committee

(02:39:03):
of the US House of Representatives. It has a broad
authority to investigate any matter at any time under House
Rule X. To arrange for a delivery of documents, or
to ask any related follow up questions, please contact the
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Majority staff at two
zero two two two five five zero seven four. Thank

(02:39:26):
you for your attention to this important matter. Anna Paulina Luna, Chairwoman,
Task Force of the Classification of Federal Secrets. Now she
c seed the Honorable Jasmine Crockett, Ranking Member, Task Force
on the Classification of Federal Secrets. Your thoughts scrap.

Speaker 7 (02:39:45):
I love her.

Speaker 5 (02:39:46):
She is so bold.

Speaker 7 (02:39:49):
And amazing. And what's you know? Is framed as continuing
the task Force UAP probe, including prior September twenty five
hearing and transparency whistleblowers. I mean, it's aligned precisely with
Bridgette's emphasis on releasing information. I mean, just like he

(02:40:10):
was saying, it's peeling back the layers of secrecy like
an onion. When you've talked about bringing this up to
Trump and demanding answers on UAP's and extraterrestrial matters, and
the fact that she's letting it out there. These people
want this out in the open. These people this is
something that everybody globally needs to understand that this is

(02:40:32):
not something that is happening just in the United States,
just in Canada. This is happening globally and we all need,
as the people of this earth, need to know about
and to put it out there is absolutely awesome. I
love her for it, and she's right. I mean, they've
been lackluster on their commitment when it comes to saying, hey,

(02:40:54):
this is what we're getting, this is what we got
and the information's there. They're just holding it back. They're
getting upset about it. And the fact that she's putting
it in public is just making more of a demand
on them. It's putting them in the spotlight. And I
applause he for it.

Speaker 1 (02:41:11):
Here's the one thing though, that I will say about this.
There's a lot going on in the world. There is
no threat narrative. The only threat narrative that this is
happening is in the United States of America. There are

(02:41:32):
drone swarms from countries including the United States, all over
the hot spots on the world right now. Okay, and yes,
we could sit here and say, well, what about the airports.
What about these orbs, these silver orbs that have been
seen around airliners and air traffic and everything that's going on.

(02:41:55):
How many have hit the planes?

Speaker 7 (02:41:57):
None?

Speaker 1 (02:41:58):
Zero? Okay, when it's in test flight areas or military
training areas, why would they put them there? It's real
simple because if they are from Lockheed, Skunk, Quirks or
Raytheon or Boeing or McDonald Douglas or you pick the company,

(02:42:25):
what better way to test your new technology than on
the greatest fighting force in the world, the United States Navy.
Now the Marines, Army and Air Force may not like
me saying that, but in general, well the.

Speaker 7 (02:42:42):
Navy's the bigger parents of them all anyway, at least
the Air Force and anyways. Yeah, I mean, you get
somebody that we're stepping back into the days where two
thousand and four limits you know, the tic TAC video
and Commander David Faber, where he's like, I just love
to fly one it out accelerated his aircraft and he's

(02:43:03):
in an Fa eighteen Super Hornet. That's one of our
baddest jets that we got besides the F fifteen, I
mean the F fifteens literally one hundred and forty nine
to zero. Nobody's been able to take it out. And
with our technology, these things out accelerated and outperformed. You know,
you get a drone with a battery and it can

(02:43:24):
only last maybe what an hour. These things are there
all day just hovering around, messing with them, like, yeah,
that would that would be the best place to test
your stuff. And what's said is is that stuff was built.
If it was built big quotations by Lockheed or whoever,
jp any of them, if it was built by them,

(02:43:45):
it was built with our money. And we're not being
told about it.

Speaker 1 (02:43:51):
No, we're not, I think overall though, and this is
where we have to separate once again, granted and always
sound like a broken we have to separate the UAP
from the UFO. I believe these drones, these orbs that
are being seen over military bases, if it is true,

(02:44:14):
and I want you to add this up for a
quick second in your own brain. We're hearing right now.
Ever since the conflict with Iran started, that there are
all of these secret hidden forces from these countries already

(02:44:35):
planted in Western countries like the United States, like Canada,
like Great Britain. All of these places. They are planted
there sleep waiting for the light switch to be turned on.
What better way to learn your adversary than to park
a van fifteen miles from an air force base or

(02:44:58):
an army base, or a marine base or a naval
station and go fly your drone over there. That is
a UAP man made object. If these incursions were happening
from extraterrestrials on a daily basis, they'd be trying to

(02:45:20):
shoot them down.

Speaker 7 (02:45:22):
Oh, almost inevitably, exactly. You also got a little bit
like this though. Back in the past, there have been
a lot of people that are you know, are our
jet pilots and stuff, Especially on the East coast of
the United States, they saw the majority of these you

(02:45:42):
know UFOs, I'll call them UFOs where they have the
close encounters. But they're they're so prevalent, and in certain
cases they're not even anywhere near where we're at. They're
just out there and our uf or are sorry not UFO,
but our radar operators are seeing these. And then of
course anybody that's doing an exurgeon and a jet can

(02:46:04):
see him as well, and they're like, dude, they're everywhere.

Speaker 5 (02:46:06):
They're everywhere. So those are the UFOs that.

Speaker 7 (02:46:09):
I'm interested in, you know, the ones that everybody's talking
about now when they turned it into UAP and ORBS.
I believe you one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
I agree. I agree. We got five minutes left. You
wanted to get something else here.

Speaker 7 (02:46:26):
Oh so Babbitt I forgot his first name. He's one
of the senators for Australia. And the only reason why
I say this is because of the timing. Yes, April
First happened April fools. Everybody knows that. Well when it happened,
it was actually the day before April Fools, but it

(02:46:48):
hit the United States because of our time difference. And
everybody knows that. He went on air and said, you know,
I want to get it all out, disclosure, capital D
and and we'll have a converse about this. I can't
say everything you everybody, I'm sure is watched the viral
video that happened. There was a little poking fun like

(02:47:09):
poking the bear. The next day, you know, oh hahaha.
The timing of it is it's critical in my eyes,
it's not It's almost like Hollywood putting Close Encounters the
third time. Yes, we see these UFOs and everything. But
then we start realizing, well, he had inside information on

(02:47:31):
the craft, what they look like, the aliens, what they
look like. In this particular case, it's almost like putting
it out there but making fun of it, which over
history has happened time and time again.

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
Let's hear from it here, let's hear this we got
I think we got some time here, ladies and gentlemen,
I can use.

Speaker 5 (02:47:51):
It's true.

Speaker 18 (02:47:52):
There are aliens leading amongst us. There are aliens in
Area fifty one. There are even aliens, even hybrids. I
have been briefed this morning in a top secret intelligence
briefing that exposes all Unfortunately I am forbidden from speaking
about it and the pain of death. But know this,

(02:48:15):
I will fight for accountability and I will fight for transparency.

Speaker 1 (02:48:19):
There is more to come. Stay tuned, follow for more.
All right, So there he is making a little bit
of fun of the subject. The funny part about it
is how he touched on everything that we just talked about.

Speaker 7 (02:48:34):
And writer as Brishette was talking about it as well. Yes,
almost identical in timeline. So that's where my hair is
on the back of my neck raised because yes, it
might have been made to poke fun of oh, follow
for more, you know, okay, yeah, we're gonna follow you
for more. But then nothing comes out as usual, and

(02:48:55):
then everybody just writes it off as being April Fools. Well,
how I mean, that would be the best time to
do it. We're going to tell the truth real quick.
Aliens are real. They're having genetic modified programs between aliens
and X in humans, And it's like, let's make it
an April Fools joke, but let's tell the truth. Why not?
So real quick, I ran this through AI just to

(02:49:17):
see what AI would think, and I ran it through
about three different ones, showed them the video and asked
them one simple question. It was on April Fools. What
do you think about what? He said? Oh, yeah, it
was just you know, having fun. I said it was
April Fools. The next question was on April Fols Day.
He said this at the exact same time Burchette was

(02:49:38):
saying the same thing. Then all of a sudden, AI
switched up and went, oh, this is almost like a transparency.
We're being transparent with what we're saying, trying to make
it look like a joke. So people just kind of
write it off. They all did that, every one of them.
And I did not encourage it to do that. I
just said, it just happened to align that the same

(02:50:00):
time frame is timber shit. And then they got the clue.
I guess and was like, oh, wait a minute, you're right,
and they all it's Oh. I don't know if it's
a joke or not. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:50:13):
It is very interesting to see what it's all about,
because there are people out there who are still very
much who are still very much in denial that this
is a subject worth looking into.

Speaker 7 (02:50:31):
And I'm going to tell you right now, you ask
anybody in any country, just random people walk on the streets,
a thousand people, how many of them are going to
say they believe in aliens and us. The numbers is climbing,
the numbers getting higher, and the majority now are starting
to believe this is something's really going on here. I mean,

(02:50:52):
the writing's on the wall. You can't hide it for
too long. We're going to get to the bottom of it,
hopefully in our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
We got about one minute to go here, and it
just you know, getting back to that, it just shows
that the stigma is still real among people who have
been elected or are in some sort of scientific role
like Neil de grasse Tyson. It would be the perfect
example on that that continue to downplay this subject without

(02:51:23):
truly looking into it. I think we're at a point
now where there's enough people, especially in the United States,
that are opening this subject up. We still have to
be careful though, because I'm sure next week when you're
on the show, Grant, we will get into the fact
that many of these these people are starting to bring
up the alien false flag? Is this what's going to

(02:51:46):
happen next? Are we preparing for a false flag invasion
or a false flag mothership coming in and with AI
These days, we're not going to be able to tell
whether it's real or fake. We really aren't, so it's
going to be very interesting. We do need to get
into that next time you're.

Speaker 7 (02:52:05):
On You got it, my man, See you next time.

Speaker 1 (02:52:09):
Well, it's been a great show tonight. We've talked a
lot about contact in the Desert with Captain Ron Jennis,
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UFO Report. I want to know what you guys think.
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