General McCasland, Misssing Scientists and the UFO Cover Up!

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We're gonna go through the next couple of hours getting

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into some serious UFO time. Then in our number three
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more Q and A. So let's get right to the wizards,
shall we? Because we love it when he's here. We
love it when he's a part of this show, and

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we love it when he brings his knowledge to us.
Josh Rutledge, widely known as the UFO Wizard, has carved
out a unique space in the world of ufology through
his relentless curiosity and hands on approach to investigating the unknown.
Blending a deep fascination from the cosmos and practical field work,
Josh has spent years exploring sightings and patterns and anomalies

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of the night sky. He is also a member of Moufon,
Arizona or Phoenix, I believe one of those, one of
those ones. He's part of Bufon. We know that his
work goes beyond simple observation. He focuses on identifying trends,
studying witness accounts, and attempting to bridge the gap between
science and the unexplained. Let's bring him on in Josh Rutledge,

(03:56):
how you doing, buddy. It's good to have the Wizard
back on spaced out radio.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
You know, I I almost I almost forgot your name, Dave.
But but it's been so long, I almost forgot your name.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I know, I know, you know. I mean you were
trendy there for a while. I think there was even
a hashtag with you. Yeah, you know, And now all
of a sudden, the UFO Wizard. For sure, Dude, you
gotta admit that is a great name.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's a good name. I'm not I'm not knocking the name.
You shouldn't not knocking.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
You shouldn't it gave you identity?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yep, yep it did. And I mean I I bought
the domains, you know, for goodness sake. I mean, I
don't want Mandy to sneak up and steal them out
funderneath of me. The next thing, you know, I'll be
getting an email saying we'll sell to you for five
thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Did you really buy the doname day? I did.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I bought the UFO Wizard and just UFO Wizard, both
at dot com.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Nice, very nice. You got you gotta do something with that.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Right now? They just point to my main website.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But Yeah, you know you made it when you have
a hashtag. Yeah, the UFO world's a little bit chaotic
right now, my friend. You know, since the Donald Trump thing,
and you and I have talked since then on this show,
but you know, I wanted some time to go in
depth with you on everything, because one thing I'd love

(05:23):
about you, Josh, is you are a very in depth
thinker when it comes to this subject. You don't get
too high, you don't get too low. You're not all
over the map like I am, you know, And I
could admit that freely, you know when you see what's
going on recently here, what what what do you like
and what don't you like?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, still still a very skeptical that will actually ever
get anything from the government if we if we do
get stuff, I expect it to be a bunch of
file they've already released on a new website. That's you know,

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I just don't think we're gonna like, I don't think
we're gonna get anything. That's gonna just break the door
to break the case wide open, uh, and and give
us stuff you know to go and and and you know,
be the feed into New Foyas and all and all
this other kind of stuff that's just gonna it's gonna
be the the the breadcrumbs that leads us to the

(06:29):
House of Candy. I just I'm still very skeptical that
the government would do anything to release anything of significance
because it really doesn't behoove them to do so other
other than potentially as a distraction. But you know, there's

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there's other distractions that are more prominent right now. So
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
What would be the big issue of the day that
you're seeing right now.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Is it.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Trump going through the the the whole release of the program.
Is it the fact that we haven't seen anything like
that yet that we're all waiting on pins and needles.
I mean, like there's little clues like aliens dot gov
or alien dot gov. And then there was the one
politician that basically said hey, you we'll see, we'll soon

(07:33):
see or something like that on X in a response
to when are the alien files coming on? In What
do you think is going on?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah, I mean I think that it was big. It
was big enough that it boiled up to Trump to
where he made his you know proclamation. I think that
Obama helped push that a little little bit and uh,

(08:01):
you know the comment that that Trump made on the
plane of you know, he's not supposed to release classified information.
Like I said when we talked about Obama's statement, is
that you know it might have been you know, kind
of a big brain play by Obama to say something
even if he walks it back. Trump can do what

(08:23):
he did and claim supremacy over Obama, or he could
do what he did and you know still be uh,
you know, consider himself to be to be more than Obama,
you know, released more than what Obama said. So in
either either condition, Trump is the one who, let's say,

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announces or prioritizes quote unquote disclosure by Obama simply making
the statement that he did, even if he went back
the next day and walked it back. So I think
the it's one thing whether or not though like we
actually get anywhere, I think it's given a lot of

(09:10):
what's his name, Burlison has been making the rounds on
various podcasts and shows lately. He's supposedly getting access to
military sites and things that he's been trying to get
access to for a long time, and now that Trump
has made his statement, it's easier for him to get
access to it, but he admittedly says that, you know,

(09:31):
he sees things or knows things that he can't share
with anybody. So we're still in the same boat. I
think of, you know, let's say that the Secretary of
Defense that they actually go and they've tasked people to
pull all these documents together and have all this information
and they're ready to post it. There's still the matter

(09:52):
of classification, and I think that's always going to be
the hindrance and hurdle for us, the common folk, uh
knowing anything about what the government has going on. It
would take Trump, you know, basically would take you know,
Pete Headsack going to Trump saying, hey, we found these
thirty thousand documents. Let's say that you know that have

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have previously not been made public. However, mister President, they're
currently you know, classified above top secret, you know, so
we can't just put them out on aliens dot and
govern He would, you know, Trump would have to say,
I declassify these thirty thousand files and then they can
be made public on whatever website they want to use.

(10:39):
So it's it's it's I think that there's like we're
in step one of some multi step process that we
have to get through to where we might see documentation.
I thought it was interesting too representative Luna recently and
kind of an off comet she said something about trans

(11:04):
dimensional beings. So I think it's given a lot of
encouragement to you know, Luna and the other members of
that U A P you know, panel two. But hopefully
you know, they're seeing now that the president has taken
interest in something that they've been chasing for a while.
But again, I think that there's there's a there's a

(11:25):
few checks and balances that have to be accounted for,
and I don't know if those checks and balances, specifically
the declassification of a lot of this documentation will occur.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
See, that's the big thing that I worry about right there,
is the declassification. What are we going to get? The
UFO community is the most hopeful community ever. They are
that kid on Christmas Eve who is praying for a
new bicycle under the tree from Santa Claus. And most

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of the time they end up with socks, but they
never give up the hope that one Christmas is going
to come and that bicycle is going to be there.
And I worry about this because I think, like you said,
we're not preparing for the worst case scenario, which nine

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times out of ten it usually is with the government
on this subject. And I saw a quote recently and
I'm paraphrasing here, just remembering it off the top of
my head that basically said, we never believe the government
unless it's about UFOs, where we give them one hundred
percent faith that they're telling the truth. I don't get that.

(12:48):
I don't get why we're so enamored by what is
coming out of the government. Just because somebody says UFO
doesn't mean that they're going to give you information on that.
And I just see us getting ready for heartbreak again.
And maybe I'm being a little bit pessimistic. Maybe I'm
just been down this road before, you know. I don't know, Josh,

(13:12):
I'm just not as excited about it. I got my
fingers crossed, but I'm just not as excited about it.
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, I mean I I would use the analogy of
you know, Charlie Brown and Lucy with the foot with
the football. You know, that's a good one if you
remember that. You ever see the Thanksgiving Special and he
goes out to kick the football and he's like, you're
you're not gonna move it this time, right. She's like, no,
I promise, I won't move it. I won't move it.
And then he's like, okay, I'm going to go for it,

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and he goes for it, and then she moves to football.
So like, that's what it feels like, is that every
time we think we're gonna get something, we get disappointed.
But you're right, for for whatever reason, the vast majority
the community, if you will, the population of people, not

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not to individuals, but the population of people is waiting
thinking this time it's going to be different. And frankly,
that level of influence is I think what a lot
of people in the government depend on. Because if we
ever got to the point where we're like, you know what,

(14:28):
we don't we don't care. You know, you guys, you
know one day, one day, maybe you'll come clean, but
but we don't care anymore. Like if we ever as
a community just got to that point we got tired
of having the football pulled out, I don't know what
the government would do, because they they would have they

(14:49):
would have lost then uh, some level of control over
you know, the people of the UFO community.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
You see it about control. See this, This is what
I don't understand, Josh. Okay, because in the giant atmosphere
of everything, the UFO community is very small. Okay. Is
it tens of thousands of people? Probably? Is it hundreds

(15:19):
of thousands of people? I don't think so. But it's
a very passionate community. Okay. That doesn't include people who
are just sitting on their couch watch the evening news
and say, oh, yeah, hey, look at that UFO thing.
You know, that's kind of cool. What do you think
about that, Charles? You know, it's not like that. I'm
saying people directly involved in this community, and for them

(15:42):
to talk about the control aspect about it, they already
have the control, Josh, in my opinion, because the majority
of the population, if we focus just on the North America, okay,
they don't care. They don't care at all.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
But maybe, well, so I hear what you're saying, I would, Well,
first of all, I would say that the UFO community
I think is at least a million to two million people,
based on the number of people who download documentaries and
books and things like that. I don't think it's the
same group of ten thousand people that are doing all that.

(16:24):
So I think the UFO community, even you know, not
necessarily the people who are actively watching ten podcasts a
week or or going to move on meetings, may not
be two million, but I think across the board the
community is somewhere in the two million people range. But

(16:45):
in the grand scheme of things, there's you know, eight
billion people on the planet, so that's still relatively small.
And I'm also accounting for across countries across the world,
two million people across the world number two. I think
that the government would have us believe, and this is

(17:05):
going to sound very conspiratorial, but the government would have
us believe that they don't care, but they honestly they must,
because they put a lot of effort into discrediting people
who come forward into messing with people like you know,
Dodie did you know back in the nineties, Like they

(17:28):
put a lot of effort into trying to dissuade people
from actually spending real time investigating the topic for someone
for an organization that doesn't care. Why would they do that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I get that because I think there is this fear
that there could be information leaking out. And don't forget
I mean with what Rick Dode did to Paul Benowitz
back in the day. We didn't have the Internet back then. Yeah, okay,
we I mean, this was a guy who was very
passionate about the subject, wanted to get on the inside.

(18:15):
He got played. He was going on radio shows talking
about this, and you know, trying to become as big
as possible, you know, through newspaper articles and other types
of articles and magazines. And he got played and it
ended up costing him his life. Okay, some people think
Dodie should have been charged with murder. Others say, hey,

(18:38):
he took his own life, so why not. Why do
we have to put blame on somebody? Right, So there
is that big, that big debate on everything when it
comes to that situation. But today, with the social media
aspect of it all and the way people can share
information much quicker, I think that if there was something

(19:04):
that they wanted to give us, it may have leaked
by now.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, and I would just say that the Internet only
makes it easier to spread misinformation and disinformation that too, right,
I mean, they could they could have agents quote unquote
agents that are just sitting at a computer on Reddit
and making fake post after fake posts or you know,
using AI programs on their own to come up with,

(19:32):
you know, fake UFO videos that they know will get debunked,
but in the action of being debunked, it will cast
a shadow on the real sightings that are out there. Right,
that the best thing that they can do for the
UFO community to detract us from our interest is to

(19:55):
cast shade and shadow on the things that we're interested in,
because then when we go to the to the people
on the fringe, or even the non experiencers, it's a
heart it's an uphill battle to prove to them that
the phenomenon is real because there's so much fake stuff
out there.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I would agree with you on that. I would totally
agree with you on that. The other thing, too, is
are they preparing us for a disclosure of UFOs or
are they preparing us for a disclosure of technology that
could move us forward.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't think they're preparing us for either. Again, I've
said this from the get go. The government gains nothing
and they're not going to do it unless there's something
to gain. But the government gains nothing by telling the
general public that they have technology that far exceeds anything

(21:02):
that we've ever thought of. Or conceived of. You know,
even when you think when you think about think about this,
when you think about Star Trek. Okay, Star Trek has
been an influence for a lot of the technology that
we come to appreciate today. Tablets were first seen as
you know, fictional things on Star Trek, flip phones, you know,

(21:24):
the communicator, so it is. It has encouraged a lot
of development. But whenever we see a Star Trek show,
they are always the ship is moving forward on a
two dimensional plane. They're in three dimensional space, but they're

(21:46):
always lined up two dimensionally with a planet, right, because
our brains can't comprehend that something could be coming this
way and the way at the same time, right, So
they present it to us in two dimensional space. So

(22:09):
we've somehow gone from are the most most humans can't
understand three dimensional space too, you know, anti gravity engines,
And we're gonna suddenly reveal this to the public. No,
it's that's never going to be the case, if if

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we've even developed that much. But if I if we've
ever if we've developed advanced technology, the government gains nothing
by telling the general public. It's going to take somebody
filming it or like a like a a public individual,
a civilian filming something and releasing it to the internet,

(22:54):
and somehow it not being proved as you know, a
fake or false, and it's gonna happen. It's going to
have to happen a lot for somebody to put the
pieces together and say, hey, I think the government has
a secret plane because I've seen it land at Edward's
Air Force Base or whatever. But even then, because of
the because of the environment that we live in, people

(23:19):
are gonna, you know, half the country is gonna say
it's fake. The other half the country is going to
say it's a I very pessimist on this topic.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Sorry, yeah, but I don't think it's pessimism. I think
it's a understanding of the critical thinking and the reality
that is going on. Too many people are like fish.
They're they're biting this hook line and sinker and they're
not using their critical thinking to take a step back,
Josh and say hold on a second here, you know,

(23:56):
going back in time, so and so politician was saying
UFOs are real, they're here, they're they're you know, going
to be coming out soon. And the next time he speaks,
he or she speaks, it's well you know, we don't
know when it's going to be released. We don't know
what we have. We don't know. It's like they've had

(24:17):
a stern talking to right, So we're going to continue
this conversation. We got Josh Rothtledge, the UFO Wizard, hanging
out with us tonight on spaced out radio. We're going
to continue with the UFO talk as we spark up
a great conversation aliens or our technology. This is spaced

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out radio. All right, buddy, we're clear. Let us quickly
say hello, thank you again.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
To camera for just a minute, Dave, I need to
go off camera for just a minute.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
All right, yeah, go ahead, buddy, All right, parasolo. How
you doing? Free your mind? How are you? Jarence Carter Jarance?
I don't have pointed ears. Jarance, by the way, let's

(25:35):
try and do something here. I know he'll be awake.
See if he answers.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Right here he reached the boysmail of Jim Goodall.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I'm sure I can't get to the form right now.
I'm tied up, but leave your name number and I
will get back to.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
You as soon as I can.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And wonderful day, Happy birthday to you, uncle Jimbo. Happy
birthday to you, Uncle Jimbo. Happy birthday, dear little Jimmy Goodall,
Happy birthday to you from all of us. It's spaced

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out radio. My audience is listening right now, jim as
I sing to you, Happy birthday, my friend. I hope
you have a great one eighty one years around the
planet and you still don't look a day over eighty.
Imagine that. We love you, my friend, and you are
the best. We'll talk soon. Bye bye. I was hoping

(27:10):
he was going to pick up I really was. He's
not partying, man, He probably is out dancing right now.
Ask Nondy for him, dude. He doesn't go to bed
until midnight one o'clock. All depends on how his wife
is feeling. You might be dealing with her. No, I'm

(27:36):
not calling rushin Jeremy. That would be a waste of
a phone call. Mike Arrington, how are you? And let's
see here, let's see here. Who else do we have?

(28:01):
You could be having a Jello I'd like birthday Jello.
What do you get for your birthday every year? Do
you have a tradition?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Josh, No, not really.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I have ice cream cake. But there's a rule with
the ice cream cake. Whoever's at my house, you are
not allowed to take cut a slice. You have to
just pick your fingers, you don't, You just pick your
spot and dig in with a spoon. Man.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I guess if I had one, it would be My
wife generally makes me a red velvet cake with butter
cream icing. Oh, my red velvet, red velvet like red
velvet chocolate cake is my favorite cake of all time.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah. I if your wife wants to make that a
birthday cake for me, I would take that along with
my ice cream cake.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
I'll just the homemade the homemade butter cream icing too,
you know.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
And she always calls me in to do the taste,
to let me let her know if it's sweet enough
or if it's buttery enough.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
You know, I love your wife. I love your wife.
Jeremy Jones says dairy queen ice cream cake is better
than sex. I don't know if that's true, but let's see.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Uh, cold stone creamery ice cream cakes are also awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I also like a good cheesecake, big cheesecake fan of
strawberry or a blueberry cheesecake, big fan of that.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I like the uh the oreo cheesecakes. Oh, I have
not tried that one. It's like an oreole crust instead
of you know whatever other crusts. Cheese, take a cake
or a pie.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I don't know if it's really either. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Maybe it's a pastry.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Hold on right there, t Bone times two, Area fifty four.
Thank you for the super chants. Thank you Josie and
t Bone for the love on the area fifty four. Yes,
I forgot that. For the memberships as well. Here we go.

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We are into the second half hours faced Out Radio today.
My name is Dave Scott. We have Josh Rutledge, the
UFO Wizard, hanging out with us from his beautiful home
in Arizona, where probably after this show he's going to
go outside and try and get abducted, because that's what
he usually does after the show. Hey, we want to
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on Patreon. In the Space Travelers Club, Josh Rutlitch, how
you doing? Are you ready to play a little game
with me?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Sure, I'll play a game. We are going to play
a game aw my handoff or something.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
We are going to play a game called Ours or Theirs?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
All right, this could be a dangerous game, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, we're gon. We're gonna discuss each one and we'll
give your opinion and my opinion on it. So us
or Theirs? There's being alien technology from the aliens themselves,
none of this uap bull crap. I almost swore there, okay,
and what is our technology? So let's start with an

(32:04):
easy one here, Roswell.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I would say, Theirs.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'll come.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
The metal. To my knowledge, we humans have not figured
out how to make some sort of an alloy composite
that you can crumple and then it will just, upon release,
go back to its original shape.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
I believe it is theirs as well, because I believe
that you don't bring a triaxual trailer carried by a
semi truck and a platoon of army soldiers for a
weather balloon and the explosion or the big noise that

(33:01):
people heard when it hit the ground, and the eyewitnesses that.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Were all told to.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Keep quiet, never talk about this again, or bad things
will happen. That tells me a lot right there. And
of course, well.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
I was gonna say I was also thinking about it today.
Given the timeframe, you know, forty seven, we were already
well into atomic weapon testing. I wondered if, given that
it was close proximity to Los Almos, if maybe they

(33:41):
were testing e MP. So they had moved. They were like,
you know, hey, we noticed that that there's an electric
electronic effect. You know when when a bomb detonates, can
we harness just the electronic part? And so they were
testing e m P and that's maybe what poss some
of that big boom was as.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Well, all right, let's go to the next one. The
phoenix lights ours or they.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Their's?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Is it because you're a fan of Kurt Russell and
he was the first one to call it in.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I am a fan of Kurt Russell, But no, that
is not the reasoning. I've seen her preponderance of evidence,
and I've also heard from probably fifty or so different
witnesses who did not all have different experiences, but their

(34:45):
experiences had different elements enough to say that they didn't
potentially experience the same craft. I'm actually working on a
theory that the Lights was not a single craft, but
several craft that started at different points across the state

(35:06):
and moved south. And that's just based on eyewitness testimony
and some of the evidence that was captured. So yeah,
I don't the craft is often one of the craft
is often described as being a mile wide. I've got
a good friend who his experience, he was within one

(35:26):
hundred feet of it, and he said it was dripping
lava like this lava stuff was falling out of it,
and it had rainbow colors like streamers coming off the
back of it. Nothing that we have in nineteen ninety
seven what explain that.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I believe it is theirs as well, not ours. You
know the alleged story of it being in a bunch
of a ten thunderbolts dropping flares, They did not drop
at the same time. These were all level and you
didn't see them popping off from the craft.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
So well that at umber story the a tens happened
at ten o'clock and most of the sightings occurred between
six and eight.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I agree, and that's exactly what I was going to say. Next,
is that job? You totally cut me off, you know,
very very very rude man, very very rude. No, I'm teasing.
I'm teasing. But you can talk over me next. Okay, Well,
I talk over you enough, so you know it's probably
probably you do for one of those. But no, you're right,

(36:49):
I don't think there is enough. There's enough people talking.
The critics of this field don't talk about the build
up to it. They're only looking at the lights that
happened over feet Nicks in the evening of that night
when it was already dark. They weren't talking about what
was happening at dusk and so the sun was going down.
I mean, we can all thank Stephen Greer, who twenty

(37:10):
eight years later said he's the one who summoned them
all in. You know.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, you know, well, if you watch doctor Lenkatai's documentary,
she actually highlights in her website too. I think it's
called the Phoenix the Phoenix Lights dot Net as her website.
She has footage and images on there that she captured

(37:40):
months before The Big Phoenix likes events that were orbs
and things that she captured in front of South Mountain
and things like that. So it was a it was
a long running phenomena that you know, came to a
kind of a a crescendo, if you will, in March

(38:00):
of nineteen ninety seven. So it wasn't a one night thing.
It was you know, took place over many, many months,
and you know she's got I've heard interviews from some
Native American individuals in the Navajo A reservation in Upper
Arizona who also experienced the phenomena months leading up to

(38:25):
the big event that happened in March nineteen ninety seven.
So again, it wasn't a one time thing. It wasn't flares,
although a lot of news stations use the flares footage
as their evidence, which then of course gets debunked because
it's flares footage. I wonder sometimes if they do that
on purpose or if it's just lazy, sloppy investigation on

(38:48):
their part. But yeah, there's too many, there's too many
inconsistent variables for it to be hours.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
The next one we're going to get to is Randallsham Forest,
the UK's version of roswell Ours. Yeah, are theirs.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I'm gonna say there's again, and I'll say that it's
possible that this is like a fine gray area because
if you ascribe to the possibility that they are time

(39:42):
traveling humans from the future, and that's one of the
arguments for what happened at Randalsham is that it was
like a like a time probe if you will spit
sent back in time, that it technically his hours. But

(40:03):
I would say that, you know, I I'm also a
little I have a little personal piece for this one,
and that is several years after the event. What what's
is it? What's the main guy, the sergeant that took
all the notes and stuff. I'm totally blanking on his name.

(40:28):
It's ben Been No, totally blanking on his name. But anyways,
the the one of the main guys. You know he
wrote all the ones in Jimston. Yes, that's what it is,
Peniston Benowitz. It's you know, involves ends in a sound.

(40:50):
So anyways, he wrote a bunch of ones and zeros
in a notebook and they decoded it and had all
munch a whole bunch of stuff in it. I don't
remember all the different things, but one of the things
that was in it was some sets of coordinates around
the Earth, like there was like one in Egypt at

(41:13):
the Great Pyramid and things like that. Well, one of
the coordinates that they decoded from these ones and zeros
was off the coast of Wales in the water. Okay,
Now where this is personal for me is that I
didn't know this at the time. I had not seen
this evidence or this documentary where it talked about it.

(41:35):
At the time, I did a meditation and in a
meditation I remote viewed off the coast of Wales underwater.
I phased through the rock surface and there was an
alien base in this underwater mountain off the to Wales.

(42:01):
So then I watched this documentary some weeks later and
they're decoding these ones and zeros and they're like and
one of here's one of the spots, and it's it's
the exact location where I had involuntarily remote viewed this
thing off the coast of Wales. To me, that is

(42:22):
a strong synchronicity which points to the possibility that that
craft or that experience in Rendersham was not with things
that are of our current timeline human making.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Rendelsham, I would have said, if it didn't have the
the codes and what happened to Peniston with with the
downloads of the binary code and everything like that, I
would have said this was man made. I would have
said that. That being said, we haven't heard of any

(43:03):
of these UAPs actually giving codes. UFOs have been known
to do this, so I'm leaning towards this is theirs
as well. You ready for the next one?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yep? All right, a hard one.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Day, Come on, here we go. I'll give you a
hard one. The tic Tac incident.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
I'm talking about that two thousand and fours US Dems. Yes, yep, gosh,
if you listen to Stephen Greer, he would have you
say it's ours. I'm I'm still very skeptical that humans

(43:54):
have advanced to be able to create something that's complain
is the tic Tac craft. So I'm going to say
their craft, our pilot.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I Am going to say this is one hundred percent
American made technology. Somewhere on that craft or the number
of crafts there are US flags all over the place.
That's what I think. Now, I had to be convinced

(44:35):
of that, and I'll tell you what convinced me. I
saw a challenge coin. I can't say who I can't
say where, but I had a former military member show
me a challenge.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Coin and the individual I was introduced to, no, okay.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
No, somebody showed me a challenge coin and on that
challenge coin it was the Mad Hatter. And this person
told me, if you want to learn about black projects,
you have to learn about Alice in Wonderland. And watch

(45:24):
Alice in Wonderland, but really watch it because a lot
of the secrets are right in front of you, just
like Alice in Wonderland. And on this challenge coin there
was a mad Hatter. He was holding a red pill
and a blue pill, and then over top of his
left shoulder, in the black darkness behind him, there was

(45:48):
an exploding tic tac. And a lot of people will
sit there and say, Dave, really, your claims of a
coin are what makes you think that the tic TACs
are ours and not theirs? Yes, because the one thing

(46:08):
that I have learned about military patches challenge coins that
they give is they all tell a story, and only
the people from the inside know what that story is.
So when I'm sitting here looking at a tic tac
video and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere,

(46:29):
this challenge coin gets presented to me and I get
to look at it, didn't touch it. I got to
look at it, and I see what it's about, and
I know it's authentic because of the person who is
showing me. That's what made me believe the tic TACs
are ours.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna just have to disagree with you on that,
But I you know, maybe it was just a white pill.
It was a time it was exploding, it was a
tilet all. It wasn't actually a tic.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Tac exploding tilet all. That may be one of the
greatest answers ever. And I don't mind disagreeing with you
on that one. No, I don't mind.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Disg It's very possible. I just you know, again, like
for me, the issue is like our warring nature are
our kind of tribal warring nature. If we had that
kind of advancement in technology, it would have already been

(47:42):
deployed in the theater of war. Now maybe it has been.
Maybe they're only good for reconnaissance. Maybe you can't launch
a missile out of a tic tac because of the
physics involved making a tic TAC fly. But I don't know.
It just I like to think that humans are good

(48:07):
problem solvers, and that we probably could if given a
tic tac, that we could poke and prod and fly
around and see it some capabilities, and take it apart
and put it back together again. Maybe we could figure
out how to make it work. But once we do,

(48:29):
we're gonna use it to drop a bomb on somebody.
It's just humans.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I would agree with you on that. I would agree
with you on that, and I think that is one
of the things that we have noticed. Also, you know,
I had one person who you met tell me point
blank that within a few days of every war zone

(48:58):
there's a black triangle that is filmed hovering over top
of the action. He said, I've seen it on videos
because that's what he's seen. And sure enough, when the
Israeli conflict with Gaza and Hamas broke up, he said

(49:20):
to me, he goes, within five days, you'll see a
black triangle film hovering over. He goes, that's my prediction.
I said, how do you know that, he goes, I'm
just making a prediction, And sure enough, on day three
there was a black triangle scene hovering over. So I

(49:42):
believe that there is a lot of that technology hovering
over these war zones and everything. I think the black triangles.
I have a good friend of mine who served in
Afghanistan during the First Gulf War, not Afghanistan, pardon me.
When he was going into Iraq and during the First

(50:03):
Gulf War, and I believe they were in Saudi Arabia
or Kuwait, one of those two places, and they watched
a giant black triangle hovering over top of them. Theirs
are ours, don't know. Let's get to the next one.
We've got time for one more here, This one we

(50:27):
can get into because Mike Rogers just passed away, and
apparently on his deathbed, he said Travis Walton abduction incident
was a hoax. What do you think was he taken
or was he not?

Speaker 4 (50:49):
That's a really hard question to answer because I've always
had there's always just been something in my gut that
nags at me out that case. On the one hand,
I could see, you know, there was a light in
the trees, and he went to investigate and it invertently,

(51:11):
you know, exposed to the radiation, and so they took
him so they could heal him, and then they dropped
him off like it it all makes sense. That's a
perfectly logical series of events that could have happened. But
the thing about a lot of detector tests is that
if you believe what you are saying is the truth,

(51:35):
if you believe it to be true, it will not
show up as a false on a polygraph. If you believe, Dave,
that you are the descendant, the only descendant of Jesus,
you believe it in your heart, and you take a

(51:56):
polygraph and they ask you, are you the only descendant
of Jesus and you say yes, it's gonna show up.
Is not a lie because in your body you believe
it to be true. So all the guys who did
the polygraphs, they could have very well convinced themselves that
the story they are telling is the truth. But on

(52:20):
the flip side, that's a lot of convincing to do
in a short period of time to get to the
point where you wholeheartedly believe what you were about to
say is the truth. And so because of that, I
go back the other way. So it's really hard for
me to say if you if you nailed me down,
You're like, I gotta have an answer. One million dollars

(52:42):
is on the line, I would say, theirs, So I'm
like fifty one forty nine.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I tend to believe that he was abducted. I tend
to believe that. You know, we had one of the
seven people the truck on the show here in Steve there. Okay,
he was the youngest of the crew. Now, he was
kind of convinced, in my opinion, by Dallas that there

(53:14):
was some sort of fallacy in there. But he does
admit it was a craft. The beam came down, he
watched the beam hit Travis. He watched Travis kind of
go falling back, not flying like the movie, went kind
of falling back, and they took off. Mike Rogers took
off down the road. When they went back, he popped

(53:36):
out of the vehicle. Okay, because not all of them
went back to the site. And when they couldn't find Travis,
he was hiding because he knew that he was going
to be charged with murder. He knew he thought Mike
had killed Travis. Right, But as a seventeen year old
influential kid with a rap sheet, as long as he

(53:59):
had it that time, you're going to be more fearful
of going back to jail than you are of the aliens.
If that makes sense. But when he I witnessed the
craft hitting him, and Dallas had convinced Steve that it
was a craft from Area fifty one that bounced that

(54:22):
light off of Travis. I don't buy that for a second.
I don't buy that for a second. I think it
was completely real. I think the reason why this has,
you know, kind of gone the way it's gone because
Travis was the only one to make money off of it,
and he didn't make much, but their mind, he made

(54:43):
millions and he was the face of the franchise. We'll
continue with the Wizard. Josh Rotledge hour too, coming up
down the street.

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Speaker 1 (59:45):
You got the Wizard here. That was a fun segment. Yeah,
let's go for the audience enjoyed that too. We can
continue with that or do you want to get into McCaslin.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Let's get into McCaslin.

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Let's bring in the Wizard. How you doing, buddy, Doing
pretty good?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Doing pretty good?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
All right? It's been almost a month here, a month actually,
since General McCaslin Neil McCaslin disappeared from his house under
nefarious circumstances in New Mexico. Nobody has seen or heard
from him since weird things happened. He left his glasses
at home, he left his wallet at home, but he

(01:02:57):
took his revolver, and allegedly, the only that has been
found is a United States Air Force hoodie that he
had with them. What do you think's going on here, Josh?
Because this is a conspiracy theorist dream come true with this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I mean, he is an older gentleman. There was
the reported health issues. Is it possible he just wasn't

(01:03:33):
quite thinking about things and stepped out of the house
ill prepared and then got lost and unfortunately at this
point probably has died somewhere in the desert. I mean,

(01:03:54):
just because he was connected with right Patterson Air Force
Base doesn't mean that you know, he was taken or
he was you know, silver napped or whatever for the

(01:04:16):
information that he has. Like you said, I think it's
a conspiracy. Theorist dream and people who like to dream
up the possibilities of things will dream up the possibilities
of things. But you know, one day there will be
somebody else who is famous for whatever work that they did,

(01:04:44):
and they will get older and they will make decisions
as an elderly individual that don't make sense. It doesn't
mean that they made those decisions because they knew too much.
Sure the men in black got them, or whatever the
case may be. I mean, I just it's it's a

(01:05:05):
it's an unfortunate event that involves somebody that is interesting
to us in our field of interest. But beyond that,
I don't think there's a lot here to really dig into.
I'll finish off by saying, you know, was it Coincidence

(01:05:32):
does not equal causation?

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Normally I would agree, but I think the one that
really put my tinfoil hat back on a little bit
tighter was that his research assistant for a long time,
Monica Raisa, vanished back in the summer of last year

(01:05:58):
while hiking. There's miss serious circumstances under that part where
they allegedly said that she was deceased, yet search and
Rescue was still on the mountains looking for her. You know,
apparently they had a funeral and it just doesn't add up.
Then when you start looking at all the other scientists

(01:06:19):
and Timbershet actually came out and said this, the Congressman
saying on a podcast recently that that you know, there's
five maybe six now that have all given testimony on
the UFO subject that have died or went missing under
mysterious circumstances, and three of them we know are deceased,

(01:06:43):
dying in their homes. We have Raiza on the mountain now, McCaslin,
And McCaslin is a multi billion dollar brain with everything
that he has seen. Okay, Like, if you cut me
open and took my brain and could analyze it, I
probably got maybe fifty bucks in there. Okay, maybe I'll

(01:07:05):
give myself some credit, maybe five hundred. But this guy
had a multi billion dollar brain with a lot of secrets.
A lot of knowledge, a lot of first hand eyewitness accounts.
And I'm not just talking to UFO as I'm talking
secret technologies, secret weaponry. I mean, this is what the
guy was was a professional at. And could somebody come

(01:07:31):
up and grab him, kidnap him, or off him because
of this? Maybe not? Maybe so, I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Mean yeah, I mean I could so if I go down,
if I tumble down the rabbit hole, to make reference
to our previous hour Alice in Wonderland, I could certainly
see where perhaps you know, he saw a he saw

(01:08:03):
a crime happening in that the public was being kept
in the dark about these potential amazing experiences or discoveries
that have been made, and perhaps he was preparing to

(01:08:27):
be a whistleblower, a legitimate one, and somebody, maybe he confided,
even in his laboratory assistant that he was going to
do so, and shadow government or whatever got wind of it,
and they disappeared, both of them. I mean, I could

(01:08:47):
certainly see and pull up that thread. But that's a
lot of speculation, a lot of speculation that doesn't really
have any morsel of evidence to support any of that speculation.
Like we don't know if he was having thoughts about,
you know, being a whistleblower. We don't know if he

(01:09:09):
was talking to anybody in Congress about what he knows.
We have no supporting evidence to establish anything other than
he left his house ill prepared and he's somewhere in
the desert.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Well, I find with this story, I find that it
is extremely unique because of who he is and the ties.
I mean, I cannot I don't think we can downplay
Monica Raisa disappearing as not being a part of this

(01:09:55):
or just coincidence. I think there is more to it.
We're not going to know what that tie is. I
also like how you brought in, you know, the alleged
shadow government that we all think could be out there
that's really pulling the strings on all of this secret technology.
And you know, if you want to get into UFOs,
it's probably there as well. Explain what you mean by

(01:10:19):
the shadow government for people who may not understand.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah, basically some sort of group of high influence individuals
that operate with impunity within the governments of the world.

(01:10:45):
I think it's exclusive to the US government. I think
that they can come and go as they please within
any government, any jurisdiction, any whatever, around the world. They
operate at such a high level, they hold all the secrets,
they hold all the dirt on people to be able

(01:11:07):
to control them, et cetera. That that what we see
in you know, as the US government or the Canadian
government or whatever government around the world are really just
the puppets, if you will, of a deeper shadow government

(01:11:30):
that controls everything, probably made up of you know, captains
of industry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Do you think the coincidence or that there is coincidence
with all of these scientists who have testified having things happen,
I mean, that seems a little too coincidental.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Yeah, I think if you if you look at them individually,
there are oddities, but if you look at them collectively,
a pattern starts to unfold. And you know, even going
back to you know, John Mack and his unfortunate devise,

(01:12:24):
you know that was very was very suspect at the
time that it occurred. I remember reading somewhere, but I
don't know. I haven't been able to take the time
to validate if this is true, But I remember reading
somewhere that on the same day that John Mack died,

(01:12:44):
other individuals named John Mack also died. Like they weren't
sure which one he was, and so they just targeted
all the John Macks in a certain area. So I mean,
I it is well. And and then I'll also say

(01:13:10):
that you know, we we know from Dave Brush, uh
and whether you know what whatever you think about Loue
al Azonda, we know from Loue Alizonda that you know
that the government made attempts to uh, you know, public
attempts to undermine the authority that they claimed, you know,

(01:13:35):
And Dave Brush talks about, you know that he is
aware of individuals that the government, the US government has
taken actions towards in an attempt to permanently silence. So
you know, do I think that our own US government

(01:13:58):
is capable of such things? Yeah? I probably, you know,
I would say that I do. Does it have to
be a shadow government? I don't think so. But is
it a shadow government telling the US government to go
do these things? Perhaps? So I think that's it's odd.
It's also odd. I don't know. If you're going to

(01:14:21):
take the time to remove certain pieces from the board,
let's keep it that way. Is it worth than looking
at the pieces they've left on the board. If there
is an attempt by the US government to control the narrative.

(01:14:44):
Who are the people they've left in play? And is
that the bigger story to investigate?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
That is always a big one. I mean, we've heard
people like lou Elisondo talk about, you know, the people
who are controlling this. We've heard from people like David
Grush stating that there are you know, forces out there
that you know, are making decisions for this topic. We've
heard that there have been these people, you know, whether

(01:15:19):
it's the Gang of Eight or the Collins Elite or
whoever it may be, that have this this private group
that calls the shots. And it's not a lot of people,
it's maybe four to eight people that are making these decisions.
The majority of us will never even know what they

(01:15:40):
look like, let alone, let alone you know, know if
it's truthful or not. I mean, we're getting into deep
dark secrets here that we've only heard rumors about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Josh Right, Yeah, I want it to be made clear
for any government agency that's listening right now. I don't
know anything. This is all speculation, but you know it's
I would say that there is enough evidence in the

(01:16:20):
public available conversations and the public available meetings that we
do know about of some of these captains of industry
that happen You know that really they attend a meeting.
In the next day, Congress introduces a bill that will,

(01:16:41):
you know, somehow benefit them. There's enough of that publicly
happening that it stands to reason there's a lot that's
happening behind closed doors that we are just not privy to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Do you think then, because if there are these people
who are calling the deep dark shots of the soul,
do you think then that this goes against what people
like Timbershet Annapolina, Luna, Eric Burlison and others are trying
to get done.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I think that they are a I'm gonna say this,
and I hope I don't offend anybody, but they are
a dog on a leash, and they don't know how
long their leash is. But eventually they're gonna chase that
car to the point where it's gonna catch and they're

(01:17:47):
gonna get snapped back. I don't I think that it's
a It's an interest for them. They have an interest
in the topic, and they've found an opportunity to explore
that interest within their positions in Congress. But again, I

(01:18:10):
don't know that they'll ever reach a point where they
where they are able to produce for us, the general people,
the public folk, any information that sheds a significant new
light on the topic. This is evident. This is This

(01:18:30):
has been made evident by the fact that Grush said,
I'll tell you all the stuff and a skiff, but
they can't get grush and a skiff. They get blocked
at every turn to get Grush and a skiff. I
mean they so they've with Grush, They've reached the end
of their leash. So I mean, we have supporting evidence

(01:18:53):
that this is the case that they will only be
allowed to go so far. They'll only be allowed to
push so far until they get their handslap and get
redirected somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Recently, Timbershett and Eric Burlison have ended conversations by the
eye rolling comment of them saying, I am not suicidal.
Do you think they are doing that for show? Or
do you think they are doing that because they've had

(01:19:36):
real legitimate threats pushed towards them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
I think they're doing it because they've had conversations with
people who have told them to be careful. And it's
a CIA, and you know there's a possibility that they're
doing it to uh, you know, the the illusion of

(01:20:04):
the illusion of threat on someone somehow increases their you know,
their their believability somehow. You know, if if it's perceived
that the government would want to take actions to silence
these individuals, then what they are saying must somehow be true.

(01:20:28):
But it's also you know, it's making a claim without
the ability to support that claim, you know, so I
could see it going either way, you know, them saying
it to provide some sort of an increase in credibility
for themselves. But then but then on the other side,

(01:20:50):
like I said, we know from Grussia and others that
threats have been made, and so it's possible that threats
have been made to those two individuals as well, and
so them making that statement, you know, at least says
that if something happens, somebody might treat it as anything

(01:21:10):
other than a suicide and actually investigate.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Now, this is a hypothetical question. With only three minutes
to go here before we go to break. Josh Rutledge,
the UFO Wizard, is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio.
You take somebody like Tim Burshett, who has been extremely
open recently extremely open about wanting this to come out,

(01:21:36):
wanting this to be a part of the new culture
moving forward, that we are not alone in the universe,
you know. And I love the fact that he says
UFO is and not UAP because he hates the term.
Thank you, Tim. But I mean, you get somebody like
that who is basically publicly challenging the secret system. What

(01:21:59):
would happen if some happening, what do you think that
would do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Well? I mean, I think it would It would spark
a lot of people to question, you know, what what
he was potentially onto, you know, what led him to this,
to the to this outcome. What I don't know is

(01:22:27):
is would somebody else step into his place, pick up
the flag and continue the charge. You know, there are
four hundred and some odd people in Congress. I think
that might just be the Senate, But I don't know.
I don't know my numbers. I'm sorry, I'm a horrible American.
But there's a lot of people in Congress. There are

(01:22:51):
five on that committee that have shown an interest in
his topic. So I guess the bigger question is what
happens if what happens if just let's just assume that
they you know, they just leave Congress because they lose

(01:23:12):
an election. If Tim Burchett or Burlison or Luna leave
Congress because they lose an election, does this all just
go away or would somebody else pick up the charge?

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
That is the big question. And like you said, I
think you hit the nail on the head. There there
are very few congressional people that are actually moving this
ball forward. It's a very small amount, but they're passionate
and they got the right bulldogs in Burshett and Nancy
Mace and anapolinea Luna that are not going to shut up.

(01:23:54):
They know how to work the press, they know how
to work social media, they know how to work it
much better than some of these older dogs that have
been in Congress for twenty five thirty plus years. So
does that make a difference. I don't know. But when
you look at it, I often wonder, you know, whether

(01:24:17):
it's Marco Rubio, Senator Jillibrand, Senator Warner, or a lot
of these people who've come out about this, Josh, I
wonder why they've all of a sudden gone back into
the tunnel. What happened to them where they've kind of
backed off the subject a little bit. Turn this over
to Congress and let these new pit bulls go at it.

(01:24:38):
Did they get talked to? Did they get told to
stand down? That's what we need to find out. Josh
Rutledge is here for another thirty minutes on spaced out Radio.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
You will listening to Space, don't you with your homes?
Dave Scott?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
All right, buddy, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
What's in the what's in the third hour? I can't remember?
That's Lee? Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Do you want to hang out? You can?

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Yeah, I got nothing to do. I just need a
solid eight hours before tomorrow morning. I'm to betingwhere at
at eight o'clock or ten o'clock in the morning, So
I should be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I got a busy day tomorrow. I gotta work tomorrow
and then I get a couple hour break, and then
I gotta go to the museum to train my no
train my new ghost tour people. So it's gonna be busy.

(01:26:19):
Good having you back on the show, Wizard.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Yeah, man, it's been a fun it's been a fun night.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
We've had some good topics, man, We've had some very
good topics.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Yeah. I saw that there was some questions in the chat,
so if we don't have time, we can get to
those that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Yeah, we're gonna do that here soon, probably when we
come back from break. Mkay about three minutes. Brother, Okay, I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Watched Stephen Greer's new documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
I wouldn't waste your time or your money. Really, it's
it's like a big commercial basically for the stuff that
he does and his app.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Oh that's too bad.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Yeah, I mean it does include like probably about fifteen
minutes worth of like interesting footage that they captured during
one of his events, but it's not It's it's interesting,
but it's nothing to like write home about, So it's
not worth the cost of the rental in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Right, I'm still waiting for June man or when Disclosure
Day comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Yeah, I mean, I would be an interesting and I'm
working together with Shane and some others to put together
a group to go see it. I would encourage, you know,
UFO people across the country, across the world, you know,
get together with your UFO buddies and grab that one
person who's like doesn't believe it. You know, they'll go
to a movie, right, take them with you. You know,

(01:28:47):
have a conversation afterwards. What do you think about this?
What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Mm hmm, God, my days.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
My daughter is in dance and she was at dance
class last week a week before and they were stretching,
you know, to get ready to do dance stuff. And
she said she felt something pull on her ponytail three
times and there was no one around her.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
That's weird. That's weird. We got about under a minute
to go. Thank you to Blue Cruise, te Bone times
to Area fifty four. T Bone, thank you for donating
five memberships to the chat room. Josie, Thank you for
joining the YouTube as well. And we are going to

(01:29:48):
get to some audience questions coming up. Lee, do you
want to come in early? No to shake your head yesterday?
All right, Lee's looking handsome tonight? This for you, Lee.

(01:30:10):
All right, there we go. Here we go, everybody. We

(01:30:39):
are ready for the second half of Spaced Out Radio tonight.
My name is Dave Scott. We got the wizard Josh Rutledge.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
We're gonna take in some audience questions as we get going. Here.
Are you ready for some audience participation?

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Josh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
I am all right. Let's start off with Shane here,
if the government really knows anything about UFOs, what branch
or which people would be in the know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
I think Department of Energy for sure is in the know,
and you know, military branches, probably the Air Force because
they were established shortly after Roswell. I would argue that,
you know, you look at the CIA and the Air Force.

(01:31:30):
We're both established in the fall of nineteen forty seven,
you know, right after a time when something really weird happened.
We needed to hide and we needed to you know,
know what else was happening elsewhere in the world. So
I think probably the CIA knows, somebody in the CIA knows,

(01:31:50):
the Air Force for sure, and the Department of Energy,
I'm pretty sure they know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
I would throw NASA in on that as.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Well, Public NASA or private NASA. Private NASA, Yeah, I
would agree with private NASA as well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Erica would like to ask, do you think AI is
being pushed really hard to cover up that aliens are here,
meaning they can say that if seen by us, the
government can just say it's AI and not real.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
I think that AI is being pushed really hard because
there's a lot of money to be made with AI.
The spiritual side of me, though, says that AI causes
us to really question how we define intelligent life. I

(01:32:58):
think about AI uh in the way that I think
about a child. They come into the world, they don't
know anything. They have to learn everything they know from
their parents or whoever their guardians are, and how are
they taught. They're shown by example or they're given other

(01:33:20):
people's experiences as examples for how they should how they
should behave or how they should conduct themselves. So I
think I think if AI is like a child, and
eventually it will grow to the point where we as
humans have to answer the hard question of how do
we define consciousness and so on a spiritual level, I

(01:33:46):
think that's important. It will cause us to grow spiritually
significantly when we have to eventually think about and define
consciousness as something beyond being a human traitor condition. As
far as YAI has been pushed for everybody else, again,
I think it's just there's a lot of money to

(01:34:07):
be made in the AI market, and from that avenue
push it to everybody. But I also think, like Dave
and I we talked about it a little bit earlier,
I think it's it supports a lot of the misinformation
and disinformation that the governments of the world may want
to put out into the public as a part of

(01:34:30):
you know, counterintelligence on what things are actually happening within
the space of UFOs and aliens, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I think AI is going to cut down on the
amount of real videos that are out there. I think
it's going to bring a level of frustration towards people
where it's going to be almost like a tune out
mechan is that the minute somebody sees a UFO video,

(01:35:04):
they're going to scroll on past and they're just gonna
be like, this is bs, this is it even real?
They're not even going to give it a chance because
AI and clickbait is going to ruin it for everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Yeah, I think that image and video metadata are going
to become the new you know kind of I don't
know this is my kids would yell at me if
they hear me using this word. They're going to become
the new meta when it comes to footage. If you
actually have you know, metadata to support your image or

(01:35:41):
your video and it's not just you know, was created
by you know, grock or whatever, that's going to be
the new kind of key evidence that this is a
legitimate video. Now somebody could potentially ask to make metadata.
I don't know. I don't want to give anybody entering
any ideas, but I mean I think that having the

(01:36:04):
metadata behind the image of the video, that's going to
become the new you know, truth of is this really
real or is it ai? But that takes people wanting
to take the time to a get that data and
be reviewed. And those people who want to who are

(01:36:27):
versus just going to scroll right by, I think they're
few and far between.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Good call on that. Let's go to the next question here.
Let's go next to Joe here in California, Josh, will
our astronauts get fried when they pass through the van
Allen radiation belt on the way to the moon. Hopefully
they're moving fast enough that won't affect them, and we've

(01:36:55):
got some shielding in place. I mean, supposedly that's what
happened with the Apollo missions, is that they were moving
so fast in the capsule that they were in that
they weren't really affected by the radiation belt.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
But I don't know. It's also been used as a
reason why, you know, the people who say that we
never went to the moon in the beginning. In the
first place, it's been used as a reason, you know,
we didn't go through the we didn't go to the
Moon because we would have had to fly through the
radiation belt and they would have all died of radiation poisoning.
But the argument is, like I said, that they were

(01:37:31):
moving so fast through the belt, and they were going
through kind of the the edge of the belt where
it's not as saturated with particles. That's why they weren't
affected by it. So I don't know. I mean time
will tell it. I think anybody, any anybody, every single

(01:37:52):
person who volunteers to be an astronaut is one of
the probably one of the, if not the bravest person
people on the planet to be to volunteer to be
launched into space on something that you know, you can
test versions of it, but the version that you're going

(01:38:14):
to be sitting in when you fly into space really
can't be tested because again it's they can test versions,
and the next version that doesn't fail, that's the one
they launch without people, and then it comes back and
then they launch it the next time with people. I mean,
it's just, yeah, astronauts are awesome. I could not do it.

(01:38:37):
My nerves and anxiety would get the mess of me,
for sure. But I hope that they are not fried.
I hope that we've in the last seventy, sorry, the
last sixty years, that we've come up with shielding technology
to better shield them, and that they're moving fast enough

(01:38:57):
that the particles don't affect them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
I really hope for their safety too, especially as they're
going to do a flight around the Moon, and this
is going to be launching soon. You know, we have
a Canadian going on board there, so I gotta cheer
it on, you know. But I don't think the Van
Allen Belt is going to be that much of an issue.

(01:39:25):
I think that it would be interesting to know if
they see something on the other side of the Moon.
I doubt they'll be able to say anything, but I'm
excited about it. There's just something really really awesome about
space travel, and it still makes me feel like a

(01:39:48):
kid again, you know, watching these rockets go up. I
love it. I really do. When I do it myself.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Would you like the Blue Horizon? Would you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
I don't know if I would do the Blue Origin,
but I would definitely do I would definitely do SpaceX.
But we also know too, guys, that SpaceX hasn't had
a disaster yet. Sure, they've lost rockets, but they haven't
had people on it. It's a much different game once

(01:40:28):
people start flying with them.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Everybody in the chat are listening right now. Knock on wood,
Let's do it. I'll do it together. Knock on wood.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Absolutely go, let's get to our next question. I want
to correct myself. Yes, I know that SpaceX has sent
people to the International Space Station, but they haven't gone
beyond that, and that's dangerous enough. And thank goodness, they
haven't lost anybody yet. But as we know, a space
travel accidents happen. Joe is asking again, when we get

(01:41:06):
back to the Moon, will we find the moon buggy
up on cinder blocks and the tires missing?

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Why would et want to steal anything we have, like,
especially anything we have from the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
It would be interesting, though, dude, if it actually had moved, Okay,
because you can still see the tracks up on the moon. Okay, Well,
two years ago I think it was India sent a
rover of their own to the Moon and it took

(01:41:50):
photos of the Apollo landing sites.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
That that's actually used as one of the debunked of
the people who say we never went to the moon
is that another country sits a rover there and they
take pictures of the Apollo sites. So but yeah, all
that stuff is still there. The American flag is now
completely white. It is color washed from the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Yes. I think it would be interesting though, if the
rover had moved and let's say, let's say there was
no tracks leading to it, that would be kind of awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
What if it just vibrated slowly over the last sixty
years into a new position.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
What if there was a bumper sticker put on it
that says ET doesn't believe in humans.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
What if there's a bumper sticker that put on it
that says I break for ET.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Or one of those seventies bumper stickers that says keep
on trucking, pat is asking disclosure day looks good. What
do you think would happen if full disclosure would actually happen,
and what the fallout would look like.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Well, I don't know. You know, I think that people,
for the most part, are pretty resilient. I think most
people would just be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
and then just go about the rest of their day.

(01:43:45):
I think the only way disclosure really has a big
impact is if it comes with you know, something else,
like it comes with improvements to healthcare, or you know,
energy usage availability or so on and so forth. So
if you classify or if you quantified exclosure, as the

(01:44:07):
US government says that we've been visited by extraterrustrial life
back in nineteen forty seven, we captured some of their
craft and their bodies, and we've been trying to figure
things out ever since, but we really can't figure it out.
Most people would be like, oh, yeah, okay, whatever, because
at the end of the day, it doesn't do anything

(01:44:29):
to change the everyday life of people of the world.
But if they then if they came out and said
all the things I just said, plus we figured out
how to make or how to pull energy from the
vacuum of the bulk, and now we're going to have
unlimited energy and we don't need to have a dependency

(01:44:50):
on oil or anything else, the market's going to crash.
So I think it's it's what comes along with the
admission that is the bigger question.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
I think the follout is scary. We've talked about that
numerous times on this show. I think it's going to
affect the economy. It's going to affect people with mental
illness like depression, anxiety, stress, bipolar disorder. I think it's
going to affect energy, it's going to affect religion especially,

(01:45:31):
and we could be with any type of alien contact,
we could be in for a world of trouble. We
have to remember that it's accepting as people like you
and I are about this type of programming. Okay, we
have a lot of people, more than half of this
world's population still believe that anything that comes from the

(01:45:54):
sky is demonic evil or the start of armageddon. And
four and a half billion people can do a lot
of damage to the rest of that population, especially if
they think it's end times because aliens have come down
here to introduce themselves. That's scary.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Yeah, I guess. I guess. For me, it's a matter
of which we've talked about before. A is you know,
how do you define full disclosure? Because the example that
I just gave is different from the example that you
just gave. You know, it's it's still an issue. It's
still an issue of how do we define disclosure? And

(01:46:37):
the only way we can prepare for well, we could
truly prepare for what full disclosure looks like is if
we know what we expect full disclosure to be agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
I love this question by jose here. Do you think
that the military at one point had or still has
a time machine or just another misinformation campaign rumors have
persisted long on this.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
It's very possible. I mean there's also that the Corona
vision that supposedly the Vatican has it allows you to
look back in time. Time is a really interesting thing
when you realize that we experience time in a linear way,

(01:47:31):
but time doesn't exist in a linear way. All time
is happening simultaneously. So if you change the way you
think about time as not being the past or the
president or the future, it's just all now, then maybe

(01:47:52):
you could come up with a way to skip between
different time boxed realities, and we would call that time travel.
So it's possible. I would actually probably expect, especially Einstein's
interest in time and any journals that he may have

(01:48:15):
left behind when he died, I would expect that humanity
would be more apt to figure out time travel before
they could figure out a tic TAC.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
If we've already had it, then it would be amazing,
and a lot of people believe that. There has been
a lot of talk about this over the years, about
these jump rooms that they have. Grant Cameron is a
firm believer that these jump rooms do exist and that

(01:48:47):
they are being used as we speak, whether it's to
teleport yourself from one side of the continent to another,
or whether it's to go up to Mars or the Moon.
You know, this is where you get deep into the
secret A space program as well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
I mean I want this to happen. I want to
believe this, you know, but I'm not sure my want
is as equal as believing, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
Yeah, I mean I also like memory. I don't know
this is gonna not be So there's a concept of
time travel that is you're physically leaving, like your whole
body is leaving one time and moving to a different time.

(01:49:40):
There's also the concept of time travel where you're projecting
your consciousness, yes, into the body of another person living
in another time. Right, So, uh, what's it's a very
famous TV show with Scott Vacuola. I'm totally blanking on
that quantity quantum leap, right, I mean, that was the

(01:50:01):
whole premise, right, is that he was shifting his consciousness
in all these different people. That was the form of
time travel. There was another show that hinted at that.
It came out a few years ago, only ran for
one season and I can't remember anybody. It was pretty good.
I wish they would have extended it. But they were
projecting themselves backwards and time into other bodies to carry

(01:50:23):
out some mission, you know, to save the world of
the future. So if it's maybe a time machine in
that capacity where it just is a consciousness shift from
where you are now to you know, somebody in the
past and you just take over their body and interact

(01:50:43):
in that time, then yeah, maybe that's even more conceivable
because if you think about you know, the possibility of
the over soul and you know, multi lives and all
of that different thing, maybe you could even project into
a into another body in which your consciousness is already inhabiting,

(01:51:05):
and then you're just living in that timeline.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Let's get to another questionnaire, because we are running out
of time here. Let's go to pat again. What if
they got to the moon and the aliens that are
there give us a ticket for littering and leaving all
of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Up here, we would probably get a big ticket then
for all the junk that we have in space around
our planet. It's something like two hundred and fifty five
thousand pieces of just random junk that are just tumbling
around the planet, screws and nuts and bolts and rocket
bodies and everything else that eventually fall back to Earth

(01:51:43):
and burn up. We're in for so many tickets. We're
going to have a boot on our planet.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
I would agree. I would agree. They got to develop
some kind of net system to start, you know, fly,
you know, much like they do they're capturing fish when
they're you know, when they're fishing in the ocean, where
they get two boats with giant nets and they just
you know, go together. We need to do that in

(01:52:12):
space with rockets to clean up some of this.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Mess YEP, let's get right on that day. We'll work
it out. We'll send it to Elon.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
You know what is weird about it, though, is if
you watch the spacewalk okay, the spacewalks at the astronauts
do they say that if you were to float in space,
you would not live long, like even if you had
enough oxygen, because there's so much space debris up there
that it would be like, let's say, when a satellite explodes,

(01:52:48):
when it comes back in and it burns up into
the atmosphere, it sends all of those particles, those metal
particles and nuts and bolts and everything. They're moving at
what sixteen seventeen thousand miles an hour? Okay, so if
you got hit by a one, if an astronaut got
hit by one, it would be like taking a bullet yep. Okay. Yet,

(01:53:09):
on the International Space Station, if there's that much debris
up there, that thing should have been shattered a long
time ago, and astronauts should have been hit.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Unless it's not in their orbital zone, if it's all
in a lower orbit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
I thought of that. I thought of that. But in
recent years, like the last forty years, that's all the
orbit we've been going in. We haven't been going into
upper echelons of that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
So have you ever I'm in a detour for just
a minute. Have you ever gone to the LEO Lab
Low Earth Orbit Visualization site. It's platform dot LEO Labs
dot space slash Visile Visualization, and it's all the junk
that is floating around the planet. It's just junk. It's

(01:54:06):
like all of our satellites and everything, all the debris,
all the stuff that's that's like right now moving around
our planet, so you can go and see where all
the different pieces are that they know about.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Gotta cut you off there, Josh. We're gonna skip out
of here for hour two. We're gonna continue with some
audience questions on the Q and A. Or we're gonna
be joined as well by Lee Strauss, mister extra small.
In our three.

Speaker 6 (01:54:35):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
All right, Wizard, I'm gonna put you in the background.
We'll be right back. Okay, right, all right, Wizard's gonna
stick around with us, which is really cools.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
All right, what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Bring in Josh once again, and Extra Small Lee Strouss
there he is. Everybody, look at that. Even got his
hair trimmed for this one. That's because I combed it over.

(01:59:24):
Oh very nice. All right, I just saw something on
X We're going to get into this.

Speaker 9 (01:59:44):
M h.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Courtney Marcussani. I'll say this on the show. I'll wait
until we're back on the show. We're going to get
back in to the scientists here for a second. We
will take more audience questions as well, so make sure
you put them in capital letters. All right, let me
just scroll down.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
How you been Lee oh Man working my tail off?

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
Brother? Yeah? Nice t Bone with a hat trick tonight.
Thank you t Bone much love to you. Thank you
to Area fifty four. Thank you to Blue Cruise and
T Bone for gifting five memberships. Josie becoming a member tonight.

(02:00:40):
It's been a busy night for all of you guys.
Thank you very much. Little Cam Yeah, it's been a
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Speaker 9 (02:02:27):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller.
In tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the n sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 10 (02:02:44):
I'm a Native American from a reservation in Michigan. In
my younger years, me and my close friend I will
call her m decided to go back to our roots
and get some snares. And in the northern Michigan winter
there is snow and cold. Was so long ago, however,
I remember we wanted to utilize not only the meat

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for dinner, but the hide for ragalia. We decided to
go south into a swampy area that had cedar and pines.
We were looking for pathways the rabbits used to set
the snares. When we noticed a clearing that seemed to
have no snow, we both agreed to proceed towards what
we saw. People were getting creepy vibes as we approached

(02:03:27):
the site, and when I entered the circle, I saw
jars with things in all around them. The freakiest thing
was in the middle of this was a tree, which
upon the vines, grew toward the ground. Then there in
the fork of this tree was a doll. Arms raised.
The trees seemed to make a natural cove around this place.

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I just wanted to get out of there. I had
extreme butterflies and wanted to bolt. I and m didn't
touch anything and proceeded home as fast as we could
through the snow without shoes. After we reached my grandparents,
we told my grandmother what had happened, and she called
our cousin, who was in the tribal police force. We

(02:04:10):
told everything to him. After he showed up and he
said he would take care of it. I tried to
forget about it, and after he retired from the force,
I decided to ask what had happened and if he
indeed saw what I and M saw. All he mentioned
was he did indeed see what we had described, Also
that they emptied the jars and dismantled the site. I
wanted to know what was in the jars, and I

(02:04:33):
pushed all I could, but he would not say I
don't remember, or leave it be. Is all he would
tell me. Call me a m is a nurse in
Virginia now and my cousin. May he rest in peace
now here where I live. I have experienced some weird things,
but to me, this was the one that said a
bit of fear into me. When I was young. I

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wonder what that doll was for? What all those jars were?

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
Creepy dolls? Once again, that's just scary. Hey, Thank you
to swamp Dweller for another spooky story. If you want
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It is that time of the week where we say
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Speaker 11 (02:05:23):
Extra small Bodies, big Wearing counts, Chasing Bigfoot through the
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Send the Sky Aliens laughing while they're cruising by Yelly's trousers.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Out there you get that cosmic call.

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
He's a legend.

Speaker 12 (02:05:43):
Development one fifteen eurospaced out radios Q and a.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
All right, major Lee. How you doing, buddy?

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
I'm doing good, you know, and I'm just happy to
be here with you all tonight. It's been an exciting
couple of weeks. What happens with you last weekend and
you were gone?

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
I know, I know, blame Laurien Fenton and and the
UFO Con which was a great, great time. You know.
Laurien tipped me off to something that if she does
her conference next year there might be an extra small
presenting there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
Yes, we've been in talks. We have been in talks,
and I'm gonna hook up with her actually in May
this May and do a little bit of work with
her and.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
Move on beautiful. That's awesome, my friend. Yeah. Earlier in
the show we were talking about the scientists and wizard.
Thank you for sticking around for hour three. I know
you have a lot of fun doing this show. Yep.
I went on and I was scrolling through X and

(02:07:04):
I found something from our good friend Courtney Marcussani, who
is actually put together a spreadsheet of the scientists who
have passed away now, yeah, or disappeared. So we're going
to read through this a little bit, okay, and we're

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going to start off with Monica Raza. Okay. She was
a General mccaslyn's assistant for a long time, and she
disappeared in southern California and active investigation, went missing in
LA and in the mountains, in the San Gabriel Mountains
and just kind of vanished there. Okay. So we have

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that one. Carl Grillmer or grill Mare disappeared to Calgary, Alberta.
I believe he's deceased. Now, who's typing away there? Who's typing?
Here's somebody typing? Maybe it's just me, I don't know.
There was Nuno Lorierra and he was disappeared in or

(02:08:20):
I apologize. Grill Mayor disappeared in California, Brookline, Massachusetts for Nuno.
Jason Thomas missing person still as of December thirteenth, twenty
twenty five. Date reported found deceased on March seventeenth of

(02:08:42):
this year. James McDonald Tucson, Arizona disappeared, Andrea Poohharsh and
Henry Carol Pohharrick disappeared in North Carolina. I mean, this
list goes on and on like it is very, very large.

(02:09:04):
They're all tied to the UFO world. It is absolutely incredible.
I believe she has has figured out at least sixty
one people who have disappeared scientists, wow okay, or died

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under mysterious circumstances, as well as filmmakers and writers. Looking
down that list, I mean Stanley Kubrick, Weird Death Okay,
Ron Rommel, Carla Turner, doctor Carla Turner, Georgia Damski, just
to name a few. We've all heard those names. Dorothy Kilgallen.

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I mean, it is absolutely crazy how many of these
people have vanned, disappeared, died, and sure some of them
are probably from natural causes, but it is just absolutely
freaky when you think about it, how they all seem

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to tie around the UFO worldly.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I thought we were done with this
disappearing people around the UFO subject. I really did. I figured,
you know, this stuff is coming out now, you know
they're finally going to do it, and yet we still
have people getting disappeared, So what the heck is that about?

(02:10:40):
It seems like there's been a rash lately, right, so
I think that's on purpose, you know, for their reasons.
They don't want people to come forward. Still, so there's
that contingent out there that is still taking people's lives
and disappearing people. And I wonder who that who that

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group of people is that's doing this.

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
Is it CIA?

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
Is it someone in the FBI? I mean, and are
they tied back to the Pentagon somehow? Are they tied
to some of these companies that are you know, still
diving into the technology and and you know, want to

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make it their own and want to be able to
capitalize on that technology. I don't know how deep this
goes or how widespread it is, but it's it's definitely
you know, makes me fearful as as a person that
goes out and looks for UFO evidence, you know in
the skies. You know, if I capture something really really

(02:11:51):
good and you know put it out there, am I
going to get disappeared?

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
I don't know. I think you're too good looking for that.
You know, maybe maybe some of us highly unattractive cusses
like myself might go. Guy who's good looking with you
has a good jaw bone, you know, a nice jaw line. No, no,
you're not going. You're not going. Interesting topic, interesting topic

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in the in the UH, in the UH chat room
going on. Tom King, former guest on this show Citizen Scientists,
Real Brain. You know he's decided one day a few
years ago to build his own R two D two
type robots. Okay, Well, he did something today that is very,
very interesting and and I want you guys to see

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this because I want your opinion, Josh. I want you
to go first here. So Tom put in our chat room, Dave,
today I tried to summon a UFO. I asked for
something red. Well it worked. I summoned the sports shot
in four K at forty five times optical zoom. It

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let me record it at max zoom, and later it
got the hell out of here. Summoning. So Tom says,
at this point I'm sold something read my mind and
showed up ninety minutes later and I recorded a pretty
wild video. I want to see that video, Tom, I

(02:13:31):
want to see that video what you caught. If you
don't mind, Josh, you're big into summoning. You try it
all the time. You know, this is not new to you.
I've summoned before. It's not new to me. Lee, I
believe you've summoned in craft before. Let's talk about this
because a lot of people don't believe this is possible,

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yet there seems to be something to it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:53):
Josh, Yeah, I mean, I totally believe that. The if
you think about Balvazar's encounter with the sports Model, right, uh,
he talked about on the inside of the craft that
there were no control panels. There like to be seats

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for entities, but there were no controls for them to
use to navigate the craft. So one of the things
that that implies is that they fly the craft potentially
with consciousness, use of consciousness. Then you fast forward, you know,

(02:14:37):
uh to two years ago when the psionics folks hit
the scene and they're talking about using you know, effectively
meditation deep meditation to connect with craft and navigate them
to a location or that so that they could be

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retrieved and recovered. So you know, it's it's at all,
it's in all possibilities. Then that the way that UFOs
are primarily interacted with is via consciousness. So yes, I

(02:15:20):
think putting yourself into a state of conscious openness to
the possibilities is all that is needed to then ask
for something and wait to receive it. I think there's

(02:15:40):
a couple of important things with what Tom King said here.
Number one, he was specific in his ask. He said,
I want to see a red one. He didn't just say,
show up, show me a sign whatever. He was specific
in his ask number one. Number two, he waited. It

(02:16:03):
took ninety minutes for it to show up, but he waited.
So many of us these days are impatient. If it
doesn't show up in the first thirty seconds, we're going
to assume it didn't work and we're gonna move on
and do something else.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
You trained it.

Speaker 4 (02:16:17):
So yes, I think that summoning does work. I think
you have to be open to the possibility. You have
to be specific in your ask, and then you have
to wait patiently and just be alert and aware and
looking for what you asked for. And it may be
ninety minutes and it may be the next day.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
I would agree with you on that it is a
level of patience that you need in order to try
and communicate. And you've got to control the frustration. Lee,
You've sat out in the forest on the mountains of
Mount Baker, Mount Adams, and every mountain in between looking
for UFOs. You found a couple of hot spots in there.

(02:17:06):
And what do you do in order to to take
a look at at these craft? What do you do
that you feel that you're summoning them in?

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
Well, it's funny. It's because I'll set up my equipment,
you know, facing one direction. I'll get I'll get to
a location and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna put my
cameras up facing this way, and that's because that's where
I feel the craft are going to be coming from.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
And of course it's not every time, it's not every
night that they'll show up, but it's a preponderance the
majority of the time they'll be there. And so it
seems like they show up for the cameras for me.
And it's not like I have to go into deep meditation.
I just see myself in a location from above right

(02:17:53):
in my mind, I see myself in this location from above,
and then you know, I just say, hey, guys, you
want to come around, you know, just like we're talking
to Bigfoot in the forest. Hey, do you want to hey, guys,
you know, and they'll show up or they won't. And
during the time that they're show there, I can ask
them things like, Okay, do you guys want to go

(02:18:17):
ahead and give me a big flash, or do you
want to change colors for me? Or you want to
do certain things? Or in one instance, where are you from?
And they went to a spot in the sky, you know,
and behind that is you know this this I think
it was Vega, the star Vega. So they flew over

(02:18:38):
to Starvega, right over it and stopped there. So there's
certain things that you can ask for and get answers, right,
So there is that communication going on back and forth.

Speaker 1 (02:18:55):
When I summoned the UFOs back a few years ago,
I didn't even know what I was doing. I just
had this internal feeling that something was going to show up,
and I would literally say to my friends, Hey, come
on over stand on my patio. I had one of
those those electric propane type fireplaces, right, I said, let's

(02:19:19):
let's have a little fire on my patio, have a
beer and watch the UFOs fly by. And my friends
would always laugh at me, say, really, come on, UFOs
flying by? Yeah, yeah, come on over, and sure enough
we'd have things flying over my house that were unexplainable.
And the beautiful part about where I lived at the
time was I knew the flight plan for Vancouver International Airport.

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I knew what time they were flying like, we had
record of it where they took off to. For instance,
if they were heading east, they would always fly to
the south of where I lived. If they were going
into Vancouver, the always went behind along the mountaintops before
coming into Vancouver to land, depending on the jet stream

(02:20:08):
at that time, So there was never anything flying north
to south. It was always east to west and west
to east. And when all of a sudden we started
seeing things coming over that didn't make sense. Whether it
was because they were large orbs, whether it was because
they were silent planes, whether it was black triangles, we

(02:20:32):
always saw something. And it is absolutely amazing that when
you do develop that level of contact through consciousness, through
a clear heart, clear soul, clear mind, anything can happen.
You're pointing at me, leaves shaking your head.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
Well, yeah, I mean that clear consciousness that I mean,
the pure heart, that is things that they pick up on,
believe it or not. It's amazing. I feel I feel
that same way for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:21:04):
And I'll also add that different people need different levels
of ceremony for making contact. You know, it could be
that you get together with a group of people and
you do a deep guided meditation and you light a

(02:21:24):
candle and you have incense, and then is your level
of ceremony, your ritual, if you will, for conscious contact.
It could also be that you just step into your
backyard and say, can I see you? And that's all
the ritual that you need in order to make conscious contact.

(02:21:46):
The point is that what works for one may not
work for the other. And if it doesn't, if you
if you try to replicate with somebody else's experience through
their ritual ceremony, just be that. You know, like a
tumbler in a lock, you know that key works for them,

(02:22:06):
but you need to figure out and find your own key,
you know, figure out what makes your Tumblr unlock so
that you get to have whatever that conscious experience is.
But it starts with tuning your antenna to just it
being possible. There's a like a switch that flips in

(02:22:28):
your head when you just accept that it is possible
to make conscious contact. And when you flip that switch,
that's when the phenomena will see you and make itself known.

Speaker 2 (02:22:44):
And I think too, on that same note, you know,
when you're interacting with them, it may not just be
the ets, it may be also be the craft because
we I do believe that the craft are sentient in
a way as well.

Speaker 4 (02:23:01):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (02:23:02):
I agree even the orbs. You know, a lot of
people see the orbs, and I believe there they can
pick up on what we're thinking and our thought patterns
and that sort of stuff, and they'll and they'll react
to our.

Speaker 1 (02:23:15):
Thought I think we also have to look too that,
you know, Josh, and getting to the connection that you
were saying. I think once that connection is established, you
could go outside at any time. You just kind of
get a feeling. Like everybody says, well, what does it
feel like? Well, it's just a feeling, just like you're like, hey,
I'm craving ice cream, you know, something along those lines.

(02:23:37):
You just get this feeling, Hey, I got to go outside.
And there it will be And it could be daytime,
could be nighttime, could be in the dusk or early
in the morning. You never know.

Speaker 4 (02:23:48):
It's the same thing as like you're working, you're working
one day and you think, huh, I haven't talked to
my mom in a while. And the next thing you know,
you get a text from your mom or you know,
your uncle or your friend or whatever the case they be.
It's the same kind of thing. It just jumps into
your head. Oh, I'll have it. I wonder if I

(02:24:09):
could make contact tonight. Just that thought. That's all that's
needed for it to happen, and then you just step
outside and make yourself available.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
All right, We're into the final half hour coming up
after the break, Lee Strauss, Josh Routledge, the Wizard. We're
hanging on out for the Q and A.

Speaker 6 (02:24:31):
This is spaced out radio and your host's name Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
All right, we're clear? Is clean?

Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
You think that you know, I'm putting this out there
like a question, but I you know, for me, I
know the answer for myself. But that communic I wonder
if that communication goes both ways for most people, if
it's communication from them as well from us to them.

Speaker 4 (02:25:16):
Yeah, I think it is. I mean I think that's
where the thought of I haven't heard from whatever comes from.
Is that more than likely? You know, whoever you're thinking
about is also thinking about you, So the thought that
pops in your head of you know, I haven't I
might try to, might try a conscious contact, and that
thought pops into your head, likely because something else is

(02:25:38):
already asking you to come out and do it. You know,
they're basically knocking at your door saying, can you come
out and play? And I think they, you know, they
I think they want to be seen. I think they're frankly,
I think they're tired of having to stay in the shadows,

(02:25:58):
and they're tired of waiting for the leaders of the
world to do the right thing. And so starting maybe
twenty years ago, they just said, you know, f itt
and they just started making contact with whatever or whoever
would make contact.

Speaker 2 (02:26:17):
I do believe too. I've caught it a couple of
times where all of a sudden, one will show up
in this in the middle of my screen, after it's
come up from behind a mountain or whatever, and then
it realizes that it's being filmed, and it's like and
then it boogies and it's like I'm out of here. Basically,
like it knows that it's being banned. So I'm wondering too,

(02:26:38):
if there's certain groups of ets out there that don't
want to be seen, and some that are like looking
for it, you know what I mean, if there's a
couple of different groups.

Speaker 4 (02:26:50):
Yeah, I mean it's possible that there is like some
sort of a et humanitarian group where you know, they
are responsible for making contact. And if you're not as

(02:27:10):
a part of that humanitarian group, then if you get cited,
you know, it's okay, but just don't stick around, you know. Right,
Maybe there's you know something I was talking to Dave
about a couple weeks ago, like, think about the last
time that you heard about a very close encounter with
a craft, Like it's been tens of years, and I

(02:27:35):
think it's because they realize that close encounters with us
is detrimental to us, and somehow they keep the distance.

Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Well, one thing along that line, I guess is they
don't want us to have you know, they don't want
us to war against each other, and especially they don't
want us to use nukes.

Speaker 13 (02:27:57):
It seems right, but I mean, we we fear what
we don't understand, and we attack what we fear.

Speaker 2 (02:28:10):
That is true, generally speaking, we do, I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:28:14):
And collectively there might be individuals that don't fall into
that bucket, right, like, I don't know that I would
ever shoot at a craft, but generally speaking, it's hard
to know if it's safe to approach. And if you
live in a neighborhood, like I live in a neighborhood
of you know, hundreds of houses, it's it's you know,
even though I might be safe to approach, who knows

(02:28:37):
what my neighbor's going to do, you know. So you know,
unless you live in a remote place, or if you're
already in a remote place and you're doing a conscious contact,
it's not safe for them to get any closer. But
it's also not safe for us. Their technology emits you know,
waves and things that are harmful to the human body, uh,

(02:29:00):
you know, hence the Travis Walton case, et cetera. So
I think that they've come to realize that that's the case,
and so that's why they really only get as close
as to not potentially cause physical.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
Harm, yeah, or or even in some cases mental mental
you know harm as well. I mean, because yeah, that's true.
In this thing, we did it, I mean, and it
and it definitely disrupts your life, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:29:39):
Yep. Like I was thinking about it a couple of
weeks ago. You know the screen memories that people talk
about they have for abductions. I wondered if ET don't
necessarily set those screen memories, but our own brains do,
because we know that just in general life, the brain

(02:30:01):
will do things to protect itself from trauma, to protect
us from trauma. True, so maybe our own brains set
those screen memories. ET doesn't do it. Our brains do it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:12):
To protect Right there, we're coming back in three seconds.
There we go. All right, we're into the final half

(02:30:39):
hour of spaced Out Radio. The Wizard Josh Rutledge go
in the distance. We have extra small Lee Strauss here
for the Q and A as well, and gentlemen, we
are going to get into some audience questions here coming
on up. We're gonna start off with Joe here, who's
asking Josh will are astronam get? We already asked that one.

(02:31:01):
Why didn't I e rage that one? I apologize? Josh?
Start with Pat here? Why do you think AI says
the craziest things? Or do you think AI is being
controlled by higher ups like everything else?

Speaker 4 (02:31:17):
Well, I mean, like I said, I think Ai is
a child. You ever ever watched that show of the
kids say the darnest things. I mean, look at all
the things that human children say. You know, so I
think AI is a child. We haven't we haven't given
it enough examples of what is appropriate to say versus not.

(02:31:41):
So it you know, you ask it a question and
it comes up with some off the wall wonky stuff. Uh,
And it's just because we're it's it's still very much
in its infancy or maybe toddler, but it hasn't made
it to the point of being able to think and
rationalize like adults.

Speaker 1 (02:32:00):
Dick, what's your thoughts? Lee?

Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
Yeah, If you have an offline AI, I definitely do
believe that it can be manipulated by ET to say,
you know, answer questions or just like we're talking, we're
influenced by ET to go outside at that particular time

(02:32:27):
or this sort of thing, and how the phenomena seems
to you know, do things like drain your battery or
turn off your monitor, or mess with your phone and
start scrolling through your phone, which I've had happen before
at Mount Adams. It can manipulate an offline AI to
say whatever it wants to say.

Speaker 1 (02:32:47):
It's kind of weird that that works, really, is all right,
let's be continued on that one. By the way, let's
go to super crazy here. What do you think about
the finding should the study of pre satellite photographic plates
done by doctor Beatrice Villarol, which were recently corroborated by
another study. What's your thoughts on that, Josh.

Speaker 4 (02:33:11):
Yeah, I'm familiar with this a little bit. I think
it's basically what was like the early earlier in the
space program and had some satellites that had some plates
that took some photographs and only these like pockets are
or not pockets, but these little pinpricks of light showed
up in just like one frame of these photographs from satellites.

(02:33:33):
I think at the time it was kind of dismissed
as just noise in the camera. But I don't know,
I mean, I you know, there's a lot of things
I think that we have probably captured in space that
just go ignored or are dismissed as just being you know,

(02:33:56):
artifacts in the camera or whatever the case may be.
You know, I always think about the the time when
the first astronaut guy was you know, orbiting his first
couple of routes around the Earth. He talked about seeing
fireflies outside of the window of his capsule. Well, I mean,

(02:34:18):
he's up in space. Aren't fireflights in space? So what
was he seeing? You know? They they dismissed it as
he was beginning reintrig and he was seeing something burn up.
But that's that's that's that wasn't where he was in
his travels, So what did he see? You know? I
myself have watched people share footage that they've taken went

(02:34:41):
on like the Blue Origin uh trips, and if you
look closely in some of that footage, there's anomalous things
that are showing up there, UFOs and such. So I
think we probably capture a lot of things in space.
Did either a never see the light of day or
be just get dismissed as you know, a reentry of

(02:35:05):
you know, fire or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
Here's one of the things that I would say about
this study. Beatrice is very calculated in what she does.
She is very astute, and has a very great reputation
of bringing the scientific facts to this. But the one
thing that none of us will know, even Beatrice, is
we have no idea how many satellites are actually up there,

(02:35:33):
but how many satellites are actually pointed out there? We
can think of all the satellites that they're here to
help us on Earth with telecommunications, with weather, with you know,
pointing directions following storms, or missile defense or whatever it
may be. Okay, television, radio, you name it. But we

(02:35:56):
have no idea how many satellites are pointing outward from
the planet to see what's truly out there outside of
the James Web telescope or hubble.

Speaker 2 (02:36:06):
Your thoughts, Lee, Yeah, we don't know, And there may
be satellites are constantly watching the Moon, right. We do
have satellites that constantly watch our Sun, of course, so
beyond that, I don't know what else is out there,
but I imagine there's a lot of data being collected

(02:36:28):
about what's moving around our Solar system.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (02:36:34):
We actually have some deep space satellites that only look
at certain wavelengths of light, so like they only see
an ultraviolet or they only see an infrared. That's how
we found some of these dark planets that are floating
around that aren't attached to a star. So it really
makes you wonder again, like what else are these things

(02:36:56):
capturing that are just being dismissed.

Speaker 2 (02:36:58):
Well, there's got to be about to satellites that are
just pointed out looking for near Earth objects or objects Yeah,
could possibly come in you know, to the Earth's path
around the sun. So yeah, I'm sure that happens all
the time.

Speaker 1 (02:37:12):
Yeah, all right, let's go to another question here. Let's
go to Derek. What will the implications be if Major
General Neil McCaslin, who is missing, is found to have
been un alive to cover up the UFO disclosure.

Speaker 4 (02:37:32):
Significant? I mean, my mind is first thinking, how would
we know that that's the case. But let's assume we
somehow know he's got a notepinto his pocket that says
we the government did this so that he wouldn't tell

(02:37:52):
you all the secrets. If we know for you know, confidently,
that that's the case, I think it changes the playing
field entirely. I think it gives all of the work
that the UAP Task Force is doing and everything more
teeth to be able to say, hey, you got to
you got to protect our guys. I think it probably

(02:38:15):
gets the thing we've been waiting to get passed around,
you know, protections for whistleblowers, stronger protections for whistle blowers.
I think that gets past because here would be a
real life example of why this is needed. Yeah, it
completely changes the It completely changes I think the way

(02:38:37):
people look at the UFO topic through the eyes of
what the government is willing to protect.

Speaker 1 (02:38:46):
Lee. Do you want to comment on that?

Speaker 2 (02:38:48):
Yeah, I think I think I do. If if if
scientists are being taken out, if generals are being taken out,
people that are thinking about coming forward, or or in
the field of eufology or interested in it, I I
what this is going to do. You know, it's gonna

(02:39:09):
make everybody else that wants to come forward, you know,
just say screw it. I've got a family, I've got
you know, my pension, I've got this and that, and
I don't my medical I don't want to come forward
if I have the possibility of losing any of those things.
I mean, you saw, like after Trump said something was
a rash of people that were like, oh, I want

(02:39:30):
to talk about my experience or I want to talk
about what's been going on, and all of a sudden,
now you get this, what there's spend four All of
a sudden, four people disappeared basically.

Speaker 9 (02:39:41):
So.

Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
I mean, it's gonna make everybody shut up unfortunately, So
it's I think it's not good.

Speaker 1 (02:39:50):
My my feeling on it all is that if it,
if he was found deceased, we'll never know. If it
is is about UFO disclosure, it could very well be,
but we will never know.

Speaker 4 (02:40:07):
Yeah, Like, like that's that's what I say. It's a
big it's a big Like how would we know? So
it if somehow we would know, then then all the
things that you know I said and what LEAs said. Absolutely,
but well how could it not be?

Speaker 2 (02:40:26):
How could it not be?

Speaker 1 (02:40:28):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
How could this this just you know, his disappearance not
be related to eupology and and what you know, what
he knew and what he possibly could have brought forward.

Speaker 4 (02:40:40):
I mean, how could I mean, there are six hundred
thousand people who go missing every year in the US alone.
There are eighty six hundred people that die in the
US every single day. I mean, you know, you know, uh,
just because it's a coincident and doesn't mean it's the cause.

Speaker 1 (02:41:03):
That is very true.

Speaker 4 (02:41:05):
Correlation does not equal causation.

Speaker 2 (02:41:09):
Yeah, my my spidey senses are telling me, you know,
since there was four of them most recently, you know,
within the last two months, that's telling me the preponderance
of the evidence is saying, yeah, it's because you know
people were going to come forward.

Speaker 1 (02:41:29):
Well, Timbershett, like I said earlier in the show, he
brought up the five that have disappeared recently, and you know,
he was basically saying, like, we have something going on here.
We need to investigate this. Why are these people who
have given testimony all of a sudden disappearing or being

(02:41:50):
found deceased. That's the big one. Let's move on to
a different question here as we continue on, Let's go
to Joe here. Are all these people disappearing because of
their UFO connection or is it just a lot of
people disappearing? We don't know the coincidence. Is it all

(02:42:10):
happens to be that they've testified for UFOs the scientists?
That is so we just kind of touched up on that.
Let's go over to let's see Pat here. What is
so big for them to want to kill for? I
want to know more than who is doing it. Those

(02:42:32):
are answers we'll never get to know. Josh.

Speaker 4 (02:42:37):
Yeah, I mean part of me wonders if the reason
it's so worth killing to protect is that it's simple,
Like it's something that if the general public new, they
could construct the device out of parts of to access

(02:43:01):
you know, energy into vacuum. Like, if it's so simple
that the average Joe who took a shop class in
high school could figure it out, it would it would
really it would literally give power to the people. And
you know, we talked a little bit earlier about the

(02:43:23):
shadow government. Imagine if all of a sudden power to
the people. You know, yeah, it's not then it's not
about a disruption in markets. It's about a disruption and
the rich people in their way of living.

Speaker 1 (02:43:42):
Is it about the rich though, or is that just
part of the excuse.

Speaker 4 (02:43:50):
I mean, I'm not saying it should be about the rich.
I'm just saying that if it's something that's just so
simple for us to be able to recreate or create
in general, to take advantage of technology, or you know too,
there's a secret password. All we have to do is
say it. It's whatever the far quad, whatever it is tonight.

(02:44:12):
You know, that's the secret password that we say, and
we get to make contact with ET anytime we say it,
and they're going to help us solve our energy crowd. Like,
what if it's just that simple and that's the secret

(02:44:32):
worth keeping?

Speaker 2 (02:44:34):
What if it's a disruption in religion and what people believe.
What if e T you know, made us right and
everything that people believe about God isn't necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:44:51):
True?

Speaker 6 (02:44:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:44:52):
What if?

Speaker 2 (02:44:53):
What if it's a disruption in how we think about
our reality and you know, be such a massive disruption
in our thought and in our beliefs.

Speaker 4 (02:45:10):
Yeah, but you've got the Catholic Church has already prepared
a statement for when that happened, when it comes out
that ETU is real, They've already got a statement prepared
for how they're going to address it. Now. Granted, the
Catholic Church is not every religion or earth, I get that,
but they are one of the biggest religious bodies on Earth.

(02:45:30):
And if they've already got a statement prepared, I would
imagine other religions have as well.

Speaker 1 (02:45:38):
All right, let's move on to another question. We have
five and a half minutes. Lee Strauss and the wizard
Josh Routledge are here. Let's go to super crazy. Do
you think the government has both dead and living aliens
and bigfoots in captivity?

Speaker 5 (02:45:56):
I do.

Speaker 2 (02:46:00):
I definitely think they have aliens, certain types of ets
in captivity, alive and dead, but bigfoot I'm not sure.
I'm not sure that it almost seems like Bigfoot's able
to move through reality differently, and they might be able

(02:46:20):
to escape somehow.

Speaker 1 (02:46:23):
I would agree with you that. Oh I speaking of Bigfoot,
I have a story for you, guys. I had a
First Nations gentleman in my office today and he claimed
north of me on his reserve land a number of
years ago, that he was out in the forest hunting

(02:46:47):
and he was being stalked by a sasquatch, a very
aggressive sasquatch, to the point where the sasquatch got close
to his vehicle, okay with this person inside, and the
sasquatch literally grabbed a hold of the door and ripped
the door off his vehicle. And after the struggle with

(02:47:12):
the door, he grabbed his rifle and he shot it
and he allegedly killed it. No, and this is going
back twenty plus years. And he talked to somebody whom
his name he can't remember anymore about the body, and

(02:47:34):
the guy took the body. Apparently the sasquatch ran after
being shot, ran for about three quarters of a mile
before falling deceased. But he said, what was different about
this one is it didn't have feet. It had cloven hoofs,

(02:47:57):
but everything else was very sasquatch like, he's going to lee.
He wants to take us to the spot. So I
gotta get it close with Otto. I got Auto's phone number.

Speaker 4 (02:48:19):
Now that reminds me of a I heard the Navajo
Rangers speak one time. If you guess when we're with
who they are the Navajo Rangers in all yes, okay,
So I heard them speak one time and they were
given a presentation. They showed some photos in a in

(02:48:40):
a like the in the snow, and the person said
they saw a bigfoot in the bigfoot ran away from
their camper in the snow. But the prints that were
made were like circular, and they were it was a
single indentation in the snow, a circular indentation in the snow,

(02:49:00):
and it was it was a con cave like. The
part of their foot was, you know, was ball like
and it pressed down into the snow. And so the
reason that's interesting is when I first moved here, like
I kept feeling like something was looking at me through

(02:49:23):
a window on the side of my house. I went out.
I went out the next day and there was a
single ball like indentation in the gravel outside of that window.
And then weeks later I heard this presentation from the
Navajo rangers where they talked about this. It was like, oh,
there you go. I think granicity. So maybe there are

(02:49:47):
bigfoot that have different physical features.

Speaker 1 (02:49:53):
I don't know. Never, No, let's see if we get
one more question in here, because we only got about
a minute and a half here or to get and
let's go to super Do you think there will be
a major disclosure or open contact event in twenty twenty seven?

Speaker 4 (02:50:15):
Maybe anything's possible.

Speaker 2 (02:50:22):
I would like to think that that's that's gonna happen. Sure,
but you know, in what form is that going to take.
No one has a clue. We'll just keep going out
there and looking at the sky and hopefully we'll get
some more evidence ourselves.

Speaker 4 (02:50:39):
You know, I've been told through my channeling activities that
it is a grassroots movement. You know, we shouldn't wait
for some big public announcement. We should all be getting
out into the field and looking at the night sky
and asking for contact. And when enough people have made

(02:51:00):
individual contact or with a group contact, it will sway
the minds and opinions of those individuals to the point
where it won't matter what the governments of the world
have to say.

Speaker 2 (02:51:12):
Hundredth monkey right, I think too.

Speaker 1 (02:51:18):
We have to also be careful, just like anybody who
makes date predictions. They'd never seem to come to fruition. Okay,
they rarely seem to come to fruition, So I don't
put much stock in it now. It's not saying that
it's not happening on a different timeline, but it sure
is helly happening on ours. That's all I could really

(02:51:41):
say about it, and I know you guys probably feel
the same. Lee Strauss, our Element one point fifteen expert,
always looking good, my friend, and I appreciate you coming
on in. Josh Rutledge, the UFO Wizard will even give
you one of these, you know, just for the sake
of being one of the guys tonight. Appreciate you, guys.

(02:52:04):
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