Nov. 28/25 - My Near Death Experience with Anton Grosz - Spaced Out Radio

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show tonight. Author researcher experiencer Anton Gross is going to

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come on in to talk human consciousness and his near
death experience. Then in hour number three swamp Dweller will
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extra small Lee Strauss joining us for the Q and A.
You guys ready, I am and Todd Gross, PhD is
a scholar of the evolution of human consciousness, trained at

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the California Institute of Integral Studies and a lifelong practitioner
of phenomenology, the science of lived experiential reality. And raised
in an intensely atheistic house, he rejected all forms of
spirituality until the age of thirty seven, when a profound
near death experience changed his entire trajectory of life. His

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passion and passage through the tunnel into the light opened
him up to a deeper reality he never thought possible,
igniting decades of study in a human awareness, spiritual experience,
and the mystery of what comes next. Since then, Anton
has become an ordained interfaith minister, a hospice chaplain that's

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a cool gig that's much needed, and a dedicated guide
for those navigating the threshold between life and death. If
you want to check out his website. It's Anton Gross
dot com. Gross is spelled gro s z z for
our American audience, but for the rest of the world

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zed Anton Gross with a zed dot com. Let's bring
him on in because I'm really looking forward to this,
and I'm just gonna tell you before I bring him in,
just close your eyes and listen to his golden voice.
Oh my god, this guy has a voice for radio. Oh,
Anton Gross, welcome to spaced out Radio for the first time.

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How are you.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Pleasure to be here? Thanks for the invite. I'm truly
looking forward to this.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
We're really looking forward to having you here as well.
And you know, you were telling me before the show
that you were actually in a barbershop quartet for about
a decade, singing and being the baritone of the group. Oh.
I just want to hear you speak, my man.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, but you just said something. Oh my god, I
was not the baritone, my friend. Oh, I thought you
were the bass. Oh the bass. I apologize. Boys. Oh
that's the cool part. No, no, it was terrific. We
we were the Brotherhood and we traveled around United States

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and Canada doing shows and can just imagine singing partying
and getting paid for it as well. We'd start off
the first half of our show and wearing sort of
you know, big hats and fancy suits and go to
the mafia look, and our frontman would hold up a

(06:06):
pistol and he'd say, my rod and my staff pointing
to us, they comfort me, and you know that got
a laugh. We were a comedy quartet after all, and
we'd sing our songs. Second half of the show. We
had changed. We uh the fellow who was our tenor.

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He was ahead of a hospital and he traded four
hospital beds to a Benedictine monastery for four robes, and
we went around in the monks robes. We had now
become a new type of brotherhood. And I was the
front man at that time, and we would do things like, uh,

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you know how a barbershop quartet things without instruments, right, Yes,
it's all alcapella. So we would have a you start
each song with a pitch pipe. Beep, you blow the
pipe so that the quartet knows the pitch to start,
And I'd be out front, standing there in my fire's

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robe and I'd blow the pitch pipe and nothing would
come out, and I'd blow it again, nothing, nothing, bang
it on my arm, nothing, And I would just throw
my hands up like this, put the pitch pipe in
my pocket and look up toys, God, and just fold

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my hands and stand there. Now there may have been
five thousand people in the audience, but you could hear
a pin drop. Oh my god, what's going to happen? Well,
spoiler alert. We would travel with a gong of a

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particular pitch bone, and we would give it to one
of the fellows in the chapter that hired us, and
I'd tell him beforehand, go into the highest part of
the balcony you can get to. And when you see me,
blow the pitch pipe and nothing comes out, And I

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fold my hands and hold it in prayer position, count
to five slowly and then hit the guy. And there
we would be. The entire audience is panicked, Oh my god,
what's happening? And suddenly the proper pitch comes from the

(08:44):
heavens and we started to sing. That's really good comedy
as well as good as well as good barbershops singing.
It was as.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Looking back at those years you were so into try
to excuse me, all of a sudden had to sneeze.
There I apologize looking back at those years you were.
You were very much into living a life day by day.
You weren't very spiritual, you were quite agnostic. You didn't

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grow up around a church or anything like that. I mean,
it must have been just a fun lifestyle, going with
the flow wherever life took you. For that part, I mean,
that would be agreed.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Let let me you got you got something else wrong here?
If I made Dave you know now, you know you
missed on the baritone when I was a base. You
know I can forgive you for a rat. Okay, But
you just said I was an agnostic. Oh No, I
was a devout atheist. I grew up in a Jewish

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by birth. Atheist is what we call the family. When
I was six years old, my grandfather sat me on
his knee and he said, God is the sum total
of man's ignorance. We used to think the Son was God.

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Then we learned how the sun works, and the Son isn't
God anymore. Someday humanity is going to know how everything
works and there'll be no need for God at all. Now,
when you're six years old and you hear that from
your grandfather, you believe him especially since he's the smartest

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one in the family, because he wins all the arguments,
because he's the loudest. I thought it was because he
was smartest. Gegrado learned it because he's the loudest. But
you know, you believe this. And when you're little friends
you know, school, say but how would you know not
to kill people if God didn't tell you? And oh, Beverly,

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you just know you shouldn't kill other people. I don't
need God for that, So you know, I believe they
would know God. And my mother, my grandfather's daughter, said
to me, if there were a God, which there isn't,
but if there were, I'd spit in his eye for

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everything he allowed to happen to the Jews in the
Second World War. So when I was growing up, Dare,
I wasn't an agnostic. I was an atheist as far
as you could get. Not only did I not believe
in a god, but if there was one, it he
was bad. Now. I mellowed when I got to college

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and relaxed, you know, just so as not to fight
with my fraternity brothers. But I didn't believe a thing
until by NDE, my near death experience, and then it
all changed in an instant.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
We're going to get into your near death experience at
the bottom of the hour. I mean, considering that you
weren't a believer, you were, you know, very pro atheist,
shall we say?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah? Were you anger?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Were you angry at God? Were you angry at religion?
How did that work?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I wasn't angry at it. I mean you just all
these people, they just man o faith? What is faith?
You can't prove it. I was a scientist. I mean,
you know, science makes all the sense in the world.
You prove things, and you know, if it if it's right,

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if it's real, you can prove it. If it isn't, hey,
you can make it up. And this is what this
is what religion was all about. So I personally didn't
have anything against anybody who was religious. I just felt
what a waste of intellect, what a waste of mind

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to to say and you know that there's some great being,
you know, with a beard, probably a beard somewhat like yours.
I gues love it, you know. As a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, you know what, if you were here, i'd i'd
i'd let you give it a tug. The beard that is, Yeah,
it's a little tug. You know it works. I love
the fact that you had a major spiritual awakening because
for so many people, myself included, these spiritual awakening sometimes

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seem to hit you like a sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You know, explain when when that happened to you that incident,
without getting into the incident, because I want to save
that for the next half hour. But when you realized
after the incident that you were having this impactful change
of destiny, what went through your mind at that point?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
What went through my mind was, oh my god, why
did it take so long? Why what? I was thirty
seven when it's happened right, that's, oh my god, fifty four.

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Oh well, a long time ago. I'm eighty five now,
but I was thirty seven at that point, and I
remember sitting on the sofa crying my eyes out, Lord Lord,
why did I have to wait so long to find
out that you really exist? And the voice inside said, Hey,

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if you'd known this role from the very beginning, how
could you share this information with anyone who didn't already know.
You've been on both sides of the river. You've seen
it with and without, so you can relate to this
and share with anyone, whether they believe or not. You know,

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that's why you didn't get it until now. And I
kind of knew what my calling was to share the
information I had, and as a phenomenologist, which I am,
all right, the science of experiential reality, I knew that
my role was not to just write about or talk

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about spirituality, but to use my quote scientific skills to
create games, puzzles, exercises, et cetera that allow people to
experience universal oneness for themselves. And that's what my book

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is all about. It's not saying anything that has never
been said before. It's been said for millennium, but it
is about games and the individual experience that people can have.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
What is it about the human brain that absolutely intrigues you?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
What is it about the human brain that absolutely intrigues me.
It's a fact that we don't understand what it's all
about scientists, you know. And of course this is something
I never would have thought of before, you know, having
experienced what I have. But we know that brain and
mind are connected, right, Humans have larger brains than dogs

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who have larger brains, and frogs who have larger brains,
and slugs. I'd cit all the way down the line,
and our minds are parallel to that. Human minds are
larger than dogs and frogs and slugs and so on,
And science seems to believe that the larger the brain,

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the larger the mind, because the brain creates the mind,
and therefore that's why humans have more. What I have
realized and what I teach and write about and people
experience is what if the larger the brain, it doesn't

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create mind, but it opens you up more to a
connsciousness that is already there. So a slug has a
very small brain, opens up, just gets a little bit
of universal consciousness. Frogs more, dogs, more humans more, probably

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wells and dolph dolphins even more than us. But we
don't need to go there now. But the fact that, yes, mind,
the size of the mind and the size of the
brain still are elated. But in new consciousness, the new
way of viewing things, it's not that the brain size

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creates mind, but opens up the holder of that brain
to even greater understanding of absolute universal consciousness. That's the
direction we're headed. I believe.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
How has your life personally changed since you had this
epiphany back in nineteen seventy eight, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Well, first off, I found out who I truly am.
I am not this piece of meat all I am
not this body I have a body. I am not
my thoughts. I have thoughts. I'm not my emotions. I

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have emotions. When I ask you, or ask any of
your viewers and listeners, tell me about yourself, they'll start with, well,
I am, and when they say that, they're speaking truth,
I am. And then they'll add all these adjectives that

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make them unique and different. I am male, female, Oh yeah, black, white, rich, poor,
blah blah blah, whatever it happens to be. I'm sure
these adjectives are what make us unique. How boring it
would be if we were all exactly the same. But

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who I am is the consciousness itself existence. Think about this, Dave,
look at yourself in the mirror. All right. There was
a time, believe it or not, when you did not
have a white beard, when you didn't even have white hair.

(20:39):
You had probably characo. You were a young man, and
you so much about you was different. Your thoughts were different,
the things you knew were different, your looks was different.
But the feeling I am was exactly the same. Isn't

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that true. Isn't that true? The feeling of being is
exactly the same. Everything in the universe changes, except the
pure consciousness, which is always the same.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Realistically, you know, I'm fifty two years old looking at
about ninety eight. You look much younger than I do.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, oh my god, you could be my kid. In fact,
you're younger than my kids.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, don't let the white beard fool you. Right, but
oh okay, but you know, it really is the power
of the mind. I mean, I don't think of myself
as fifty two. I still think of myself in my
you know, mid thirties. You know me.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, yeah, I'm not in my mid thirties anymore. But
I don't think of myself as eighty five. I remember,
you know, when I was a teenager thinking, oh my god,
when the millennium changes and it turns to the year
two thousand, I'm going to be sixty years old if

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I even last that long man, that was twenty five
years ago. That was a quarter of a century ago.
I can't believe I'm this old. But I'll tell you something.
I love being this old. I am so free, Dave
to do what I want. I can read a book

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without having to write a book report. Right, I can
have dessert without eating dinner. I can do what I
want to do if I can wake up when I
want to, well, excepter going to doctor's appointments, But that
happens as you get older. But other than that, I'm

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free to do what I want. And as long as
I can tell you this, by the way, I am
living the life I wanted to live from the very
beginning I was eight years old. I told you already
something that happened when I was six. At my eight

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year old birthday party, my aunt Claire asked me, what
do you want to be and I said, I want
to be happy. And my mother's walking past she says,
you can't be happy, You've got to be something. Well,

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I disagree with that. I think that the whole purpose
of life is joy, is happiness. And at the older age,
I don't have to go to work, I don't have
to do things I don't want to do. Truly be

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myself and be happy, and that I believe is the
goal of all of God's creatures. Book. God didn't create
the universe because his mother said, get off the couch
and do something, you lazy guy. The universe was created

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because it's the pure fun of doing it, the joy
of taking a thought and turning it into that. But
that's another story.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Anton Gross is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio.
His website Anton Gross gros z or Z depending on
how do you want to pronounce it dot com. If
you get his books there, find out more about consciousness,
his near death experience, which we'll get into next on
spaced Out Radio. That's a great start. That went fast,

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Good Vanessa. What is a Z? In commonwealth countries? We
pronounced the letter you guys pronounce it Z. We pronounce
it Z. You having fun?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Good am?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I am? I doing okay?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yep, you know it's I loved how you ended that
that half hour with that message from your aunt. My stepdaughter,
when she was between the age about seven and twelve,
every day I would come home from where I'd be, hey, honey,
how's your How is your day? And she would be
like it was the best day ever. Good And as

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an adult who came from a very negative family, I
remember saying to her one day, how could today be better?
If yesterday was the best day ever, how could today
be the best day ever? And she gave me the
simplest answer, which was, I don't know, it just is.

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And I remember, as silly as this sounds, I remember
getting angry over that. I didn't get angry at her,
but I kind of walked away, and I remember, like,
what a stupid kid, Like why would every day can't
be the best day ever? Like when's she get to
come into reality? And then I and then a little

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bit later, a few weeks later, I realized I had
it all wrong, yep, that she was teaching me something.
And so I have kind of tried and a lot
of times unsuccessfully to have the best day ever, you know.

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And one of the things that I've learned as like,
I'm very open I suffer from depression and anxiety, and
I'm open about it because no offense to the lovely
women out there, but for men especially, we have a
tough time talking about that publicly. So I always mentioned
that we that I do because it may help somebody

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who doesn't want to to discuss it, let them know
it's okay. And I realize that over that time, in
trying to live as the best day ever, it's so
easy to compliment someone MH, just your hair looks beautiful today.

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I hope you have a great day. Thank you for
talking with me, whatever it may be, because I think
you know, not to sound philosophical or holier than now, okay,
because sure as hell I'm not. But that compliment that
instead of going if somebody says goodbye, you know, I

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gotta go, instead of saying see you or something like that,
tell them thanks, thanks for today. Yep, you could be changing.
Even if it's a complete stranger. They may need that
at that exact same moment, and then you become that
person's angel.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Let me, well, we'll get into that build up actually
from that, sure, from that where we close, and I'll
tell you my three rules of life.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I love it. I love it. Let me say hello
to mister Cowley. How you doing, buddy, Good to see you.
Attorney at large, Michael Morris, Nice to have you here.
And who else has joined us here? Number one? The gorgeous,
the talented, the lovely Nicole Sackitch and who else is here?

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Scrolling on down? I think we're caught up again. Right
we have about forty five seconds.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
How many people are on right.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Now watching on YouTube? Right now? We have ninety eight.
There's thirty four on X one on Twitch, and there
will be a couple hundred thousand on our radio stations.
Cool yeah, yeah, cool. Nice, be done, Dave, thank you

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all organically grown, which is nice. Yep, nothing given to me,
just all organic. All right, we got twelve seconds. Thank
you Matthew, T Bone, Pam and Kitty for the super chat. Richard,
thank you for joining our membership on YouTube. And here
we go. Here we go with the second half hour

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of spaced Out Radio. We're gonna get into a great
near death experience with our guest Anton Grows coming up momentarily.
My name is Dave Scot. I'm the guy who wears
a lot of tinfoil and trying to make it a
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at spaced Out Radio Show, and on Patreon in the
Space Travelers Club. Here we go, Anton Grows. He is
an experiencer, He's an author. He is studied the evolution
of human consciousness. We're going to get into his near
death experience next. He's got a couple of really good books,
So handbook for a new consciousness, Letters to a dying friend,

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What comes next, We're going to get into that momentarily.
His website, Anton Grows Grows spelled g R O S
Z for our American friends, Z for uscommonwealths dot com. Anton,
we really appreciate you being here. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Well, thank you. It's my pleasure. Dave and hide everybody else.
I wish I could see you. You can see me everybody,
but that's kind of unfair. I don't get to see
all of you.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yes, but we get to hear your beautiful voice.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Like if you could have a voice crush on somebody.
I got a voice crush right now. Oh I could listen.
I could listen to you read novels.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Thank you very much. People have said I auto do
an audio of my book. You know, probably probably should.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Probably a good idea, get around to it.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, right, I didn't want to want to build on something.
If I may please, I think we ended the last
segment where I was talking about my Unclaire talking about
be happy, you know what I want to be? And
I said, I want to be happy and my mom said,

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you know, you got to be something. Well, A couple
of things relate to that. First off, I want you
to know that I've been married for sixty two years,
all right, And I proposed to my wife on our
second date. And the reason was aside from the fact

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that she was fun and very attractive, and we had
about it fun, you know, a good time together. But
on that first date, we sat across a table and
a diner and she said, what do you want to be?
And I was a grass student at the time. She
was a sophomore in car and I said, I want

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to be happy. Same thing I said to my aunt
And I said, and phillis, what do you want to be?
She said, I want to live happily ever after. And
I realized, oh my god, we're going the same place.
Why not do it together. I propose on our second day.

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She said, you're crazy. But we were married six months
later and have been married for sixty two years.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, And just one other thing on this happy business. Really,
it makes all the sense that I want to be
happy that I said to my aunt. I really think
it was the defining moment of my life, and I
have made it part of my three rules of life.

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Ready Rule one, Rule one, be happy, Rule two, be kind,
Rule three. That's it. If you're happy on the inside,
if you're kind on the outside to others. What else is?

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What else? Do you need? Nothing that I can think of.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I love those rules. I do. I wish I could
live by them all the time.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You can, you can if you want to.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Sometimes it seems so far away, my friend, Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I know, I know, I know. Well you know. We
can't change the world, but we can do our part.
Let me tell you another little story, if I may.
I lived in San Francisco for thirty years, and one

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day I was going down taking the bus down downtown
early in the morning. It was commute time, and the
place the bus was crowded. I was sitting in one
of those long seats behind the driver, and there were
people standing. There were the young woman standing in front

(36:22):
of me, who couldn't reach the hand grab her, you know,
a belt up above, because everybody had taken them in
the world will use and she couldn't reach the post
in front, and she would go back and forth every time. Now,
when I was younger, I would have gotten up and

(36:43):
let her sit down. But I was in my eighties
and she was in her twenties, so you know, she
can handle it better than I could. But I looked
next to me, and there was the guy who was
sitting in that seat next to me, in that side seat.
He had a brief case in front of him on
the ground, right in front of his knees and his feet,

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and I realized that that could get within the way
of this young woman. So I said to him. I turned,
I said, excuse me, sir, could you if you put
that briefcase on your lap, this young woman over here
can step forward a little bit and she can reach
that post and it will be a lot safer when

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the bus starts and stops, and he turns and he
looks at me and he says, like, that's gonna solve
all the problems of a world, And intuitively, without thinking
of it, I said, no, sir, it will not but

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it will solve the problems in this little corner of
the world. And he looked at me, and then he
turned to the woman who was sitting at his left,
and she must have been and his wife, because she
gave him a book like if you ever want to
have sex again, you better put that briefcase on your lap,
which he did, and the young woman in front of

(38:12):
me took a half step forward, was able to grab
the post and go travel downtown a little bit faster.
Our eyes met. We smiled at each other, and I realized,
it's so easy to make life better. I cannot stop
the war in Gaza, I cannot stop the war in Ukraine.

(38:36):
But I can make life better in my little corner
of the world. I can be kind to others. I
can be happy within myself and smile. And when I smile,
other people smile back and they feel better. Do you
know Tibetans, when you die, they have a scale that

(39:00):
they say, you know, you get a black pebble for
everything you do. You know up in the bardough before
your next life, you get a black pebble for every
bad thing you did. You get a white pebble for
every good thing you did. And they balance it depending
which side has more pebbles on it. That's where you
go in your next life, according to the Batans. But

(39:22):
the cool thing is if you do something nice, you
get a white pebble. But if the person you did
something nice too does something nice for someone else, you
get another white pebble. How cool is that?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
That's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
So you can create start in goodness, you can start kindness.
You can start making it a better world right here.
And just like a pebble dropped into a pool makes
a ripple effect, you can have that effect by what
you do. It's really quite simple and it kind of

(40:03):
feels nice that while you're doing it. It's very hard.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
But you know what, I apologize for the pregnant pause
there for a second, but you know, we get so
caught up in daily measures. Okay, society has turned about
turned from you know how you feeling today to how
do you feel about this moment? To try and get reaction.

(40:30):
We've gone from action to a reactionary life. And you know,
like I tell my listeners all the time, you know,
like when they listen to this show from nine pm
Pacific to midnight Pacific or twelve to three am Eastern
whenever they decide to listen to it. You know, we're

(40:51):
allowing you to turn off for three hours if you
choose to listen that long. We're allowing you to turn
off your brain and just just listen. Like, one of
the biggest compliments any listener could give me is I
fall asleep to you nightly.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
And they people are always sheepish in saying that anton
because they think it's insulting. But no, I did my
job because from the time people wake up in the
morning to the time they tune into this show, they
are hammered with social media politics, people trying to get

(41:28):
action and reaction for clicks and everything, and people are
becoming insolvent of each other.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Oh my god. Absolutely, we are so into the other
that we don't realize that we're all one.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's this.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Excuse me for pushing my book, but this is what
it's all about new consciousness, the fact that we are
all connected. Your I am, my I am is the same. Look,
I come up with this silly little thing. What if
there were eyes on the end of the fingers and

(42:11):
they looked out and they saw the thumb and they said,
you stupid thumb coming from all the way over there.
Take that, Matt mac And they scratched the thumb, and
the thumb got bloody and got infected, and the infection
went up through the hands back into the fingers. Do
you think the fingers would have attacked the thumb if

(42:34):
they knew they were connected? I don't think so. Well,
that's where humanity is right now. We don't realize that
we're all connected, and that if I hurt you, I'm
hurting me. If I hurt the planet, I'm hurting myself,

(42:54):
I'm hurting others. We have a new god. It's called money.
And if I make, the more I make, the better
I do. We don't realize that hurting someone else if
I make a god? So what if I destroy life?
You know, for all beings. We just had we put

(43:18):
our emphasis in the wrong place. That's the problem, and
it's we've got to change it if we want to
survive as a species.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I agree with you, totally agree with you. I want
to hear about your near death experience. What happened?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Oh oh, that that's an interesting one. Uh. You recall
that I was a devout atheist, didn't believe any of
this stuff. Well, we had a very very sad situation
happened in our family. My sister's husband, a young died

(44:02):
and my sister found comfort and support through something called
Sidda yoga, a spiritual teaching. And my mother called me

(44:24):
and said, will you find out what your sister's doing? Uh?
You know, she recognized the fact that my sister needed
support and comfort, but to find it through spirituality that
seemed to be something that didn't make any sense to mom.
You remember my mom, right and what she has about God. Anyway,

(44:49):
I called my sister. She sent me a book by
Baba Muknnanda, who was the founder of the City of
Yoga movement, and it was about meditating and so forth.
And I was remember a scientist, I try things, you know,
you try him. And I tried this meditation and I

(45:13):
liked it. It calmed me down, son of a gun.
I mean, I may not believe all this stuff, but boy,
I could find peace within myself, you know, because it's
a crazy you know, making a living, raising a family,
all of that stuff. So one night, I'm in my

(45:36):
thirties and it's gonna have a big day tomorrow. I'm exhausted.
I want to get a good night sleep. So I
go downstairs into the you know, and I'm going to
meditate like I learned in this book, so that I
can just get a good night's sleep, simple of that.
And I light a candle in front of me, and

(45:58):
I'm meditating the candle, and for some reason, I exhale
all the air out of my arms and I decide
to hold it out. I just, you know, I don't
know why I just did. And suddenly, about a minute later,

(46:21):
I'm underneath the ceiling looking down at the top of
my head and I'm thinking, Oh, my god, if that's
me down there, who lives up here? If this is
me up here, who's that down there? I took a breath,
was back in my body, and I thought, Wow, that

(46:45):
was cool. I was not in the slightest worried or concerned. Oh,
by the way, I heard what I later learned was
called the music of the spheres when I was out
of the body. It was incredible. I thought, I've gotta
do this again. And because I am a scientist, right,

(47:09):
I figured, Hey, I'll bet that I left my body
like that because I didn't have any breath in my lungs.
I'll bet A combination of meditation and no air is
what produced that. So I'm going to do this again,

(47:30):
and using my smartness, I'm gonna stay out and keep
air out of my lungs even longer. I'll bet that'll
allow me to stay out of my body for a
longer period of time, so I can really see what's
going on even more so. The following Sunday, April sixteenth,

(47:52):
nineteen seventy eight, my wife and daughter are in the
car driving downtown to go shopping. My nine years son
is playing in his room. I decide I'm gonna do this,
so I go in my room. I lye on my bed,

(48:12):
on my stomach, on my hands folded like this, you know,
on my elbows. I breathe in three times, out let
all the air out, and I vow I am not
going to breathe in again until I leave my body. Now.

(48:32):
I did not do anything stupid like put tape on
my nose or mouth. You know, I'm not an idiot.
What I realized that if I became unconscious, the body
would naturally take in air on its own, so I
wasn't afraid of anything of that sort. So there I am,

(48:53):
and I have no air in my lungs at all,
And the hand of the clock goes around, and the
hand of the clock goes around again, and I begin
to feel a little bit uncomfortable, to say the least.
I begin to feel like I'm in an earthquake, shaking

(49:15):
in an earthquake. And then I feel like I'm drowning
in a flood, and then I feel like I am
burning up in a fire. Now. I later learned that,
according to the Tibetans, these are the first three steps
of leaving your body, separating from the earth element, separating

(49:40):
from the water element, and separating from the fire element.
The next thing they use to do is to separate
from the air element, which I already had. Because I
didn't have any air in my lungs, the only thing
that was connecting me to my body was something that
the Tibetans called the ether element, which sounds pretty nebulous

(50:02):
to me. In an event, I asked myself, am I
still conscious? Well, I'm not breathing, so I must be.
If I were unconscious, i'd be breathing or the body
would have reacted instinctively. So I still refuse to breathe.
It goes around three minutes of no air in my lungs,
I see a little white light at the top of

(50:26):
my head and it starts getting larger and larger. Now,
I'd also read Raymond Moodie's Life After Life, which was
written in the nineteen seventies and was with the first
book about near death experiences. My wife's sister's husband had

(50:48):
also died early from childhood a disease, and so we
had read that book. And this was the only spiritual
leap I ever made where I thought, gee, I wonder
if mind and body are separate, because the relationship between

(51:15):
what was said about by Baba Muccananda about the spirituality
and what was said by Raymond Moody, the doctor of
all these people who had death return experiences near death
experiences seemed so similar, so that I accepted. But it
was the only leap of faith I ever took anyway.

(51:38):
There I am lying on the bed all right, feeling
that right it getting larger. I said, this must be
what people meant by going through a tunnel, and the
people who he spoke about in Life after Life. I
went through the tunnel, came out the other side, and

(52:01):
into a light greater than anything I had ever experienced.
There were no no shadows, no anything. It was just
an unbelievable brightness, light, and an awareness of multi dimensions,

(52:23):
dimensions more than just three dimensions in time. Dave, you're
familiar with a book called A flat Land. It was
written in the eighteen hundreds about a two dimensional world
where people are squares or circles or triangles or so on.
And one day a guy sees a circle become bigger

(52:47):
and gets smaller and turn into a sphere, and he
tries explaining to his other two dimensional people what a
sphere is, and they say, point to it, and he says,
I'm pointing and pointing up and they say, no, you're not,
You're pointing north. Because even though he saw three dimensions

(53:10):
in their world, there were only two. In my experience.
On that day, I saw more dimensions than the three
dimensions we have available. No way I could show anybody
what did you see?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
What did you see? We got about a minute to go.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
What I saw was was just pure light. I fell
off the bed. I fell off the bed, I felt
wires pulled from my head. I'm rolling on the floor
like an epileptic fit, which made sense because my mother
and uncle had had one in their late thirties, and
I was thirty seven at the time. When I could
finally speak.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And I.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Was on the ground. I finally about twenty minutes, I
went back in see if I lean my head one way,
I was in the room. The other way. I went
back in space, saw earth become small like a yin yang,
and I realized everything is balanced. When I could finally
speak and control my body, my hands were carasped in

(54:17):
front of me like this. I was on my knees
and I said, I am reborn. I am reborn in God.
And I was so embarrassed to hear me say that
after thirty seven years of being an atheist, but I
knew it was true. I had experienced a greater reality

(54:39):
than I had ever experienced in the first thirty seven
years in my life, and it changed my life.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
On a dime, Anton Grows, We're going to get more
into your near death experience. Thank you so much for
sharing that amazing event in your life, Aton Grows dot
com g r O S is dead for the commonwelters
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Speaker 3 (55:04):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
This his face Down't break up with hopes, Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
You had me on the edge of my seat here,
my friend.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, I had me on the edge of there too.
It was an incredible have you had have you had
one day?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
No? No, I'm actually fearful of them. But I'm gonna
take a quick break. I'm gonna put you in the
green room and we'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Okay, Okay, I think I'll do the same.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Okay, good enough for you.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
You, it's good enough for me. You'll see you in
five right back.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
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And let's bring back Anton. How are you, my friend?

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Very fine? Thank you, I'm surprisingly wide awake for one
o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well I told you we'd be having fun and this
would go nice and quick.

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Yes you did, and yes it is cool.

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Aton Grows. He is an author, he is an experiencer.

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He is someone who researches human consciousness near death experiences.
We're talking about his own right now. But before we
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Anton grows dot com and ton thank you so much

(01:03:11):
for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Oh, thank you, David, my pleasure, thank you for the
invite and at first hour, sure whooped by real fast.
I'm looking forward to this next one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, thank you. And it takes a great guest in
order to make it fly by, So the pleasure is
all ours for making this a great show. Thank you
your near death experience. You saw the light. You saw
it start out as a little bead and eventually grew
and grew and grew until it was multi dimensional.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
A lot of people when they have near death experiences
talk about flying. They feel like they're flying. Maybe it's
over a mountainside or over a great plane, or they
see loved ones that have passed on before them. Did
you see any of that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I No, I didn't. I did not, dave.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Mine was was was straightforward. I was just there in
that other dimension, if you will, the greater dimension. Uh.
And I I never did see any other people or
beings or whatever. I did get to study an awful

(01:04:29):
lot about what had happened to me after that.

Speaker 8 (01:04:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
As you recall, I am a scientist, right, you know,
you study you. You want to verify whatever you'd experienced.
I knew I had, but I wanted to verify it
relative to what other people had experienced and discovered that
very often, and what is taught by by A the

(01:05:00):
Tibetans and others, is that if you when we die
and we go through into the light, that's it. If
we want to stay there. That that is the consciousness
of the oneness we can be in perfect what should

(01:05:25):
we say with God forever and ever? Amen type of thing. Experientially,
if you begin to remember or think about your own
individual life, those adjectives that have made us different, you

(01:05:47):
know that we describe each of us makes us unique,
then it pulls you a little bit away from from
that oneness and you will see loved one and family
and individual things that are different. Uh, you know, for
for all people. I'm not saying what is right or

(01:06:10):
what is wrong, but but this is the experience that
that has been had by by a number of masters
in the in the past. By the way I later learned,
I don't know if you or your your listeners are
familiar with an Indian mystic by the name of Ramana Maharshi,

(01:06:31):
but apparently he did the same thing that I did,
of consciously wanting to experience a greater reality and holding
out his breath long enough to go through the tunnel

(01:06:52):
into the light. I was unaware of this when when
this happened to me, and only years later, studying all
the different religions of the world that I could get
my hands on, I discovered that someone else has done
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
For people who are maybe just tuning in learning and
didn't get the listen to the last half hour. What
happened to you that caused this near death experience.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Well, it was in my particular case. And I'm not
recommending this to other people, please don't you know, I
don't want to misinterpret this. First of all, I was
a lot younger than I am now, you know, and
I couldn't hold my breath out for nearly as long
now and I did when I was thirty seven. But

(01:07:44):
it was a case of focusing on oneness while not
having any air in my lungs. Basically, I died. I
separated from my body. I know of people who have

(01:08:05):
had this experience in auto accidents, on operating room tables,
in all kinds of situations. It's a case of of
of not not planning for it. But I mean I

(01:08:25):
I just wanted to know what was going to happen.
And you know, I want to say I lucked out.
I'll tell you this, Dave, I am not afraid of dying,
you know, I am not. I I've in effect, I've
been there. I remember going through that tunnel into the

(01:08:49):
light and saying, oh, this is what the people who've
experienced it and wrote about. You know that the Raymond
movie he wrote about in his book Life After Life.
This is what they experienced. There was nothing to be
afraid of. I was on the other side, and I say,
I'm eighty five. Now, how many more years do I have?

(01:09:11):
If I have fifteen, I become a centenarian. Oh my god,
you know that's a biggie. I'm not going to be
around for so many more. But I'm not afraid. I've
been there. I know that it's peaceful. It's like dreams.
When you dream, Dave, you go through things and have experiences,

(01:09:35):
you don't realize that your body is lying there like
a lump in the bed, right right, right, Well, imagine
going through these experiences and not having a lump lying
there in the bed. That's what this is. Consciousness exists.

(01:09:57):
I am the body is just housing for consciousness. Look,
there was a time. Let's talk evolution. There was a
time when rocks were the most evolved beings on earth. Right,
imagine the great great leap in evolution when plants arrived.

(01:10:22):
Oh my goodness, plants. They don't just sit there stoned
like rocks do right. Plants they can they can turn
to face the sun. They don't think about it. They
don't say I am turning to face the sun. But
they just feel a heat, a light, a presence, and

(01:10:45):
it turns. They reach for water. What an evolutionary leap
from just sitting there like a rock. And then animals,
small brained animals, you know, with morphogenetic minds what Rupert
children called morphrogenatic minds, a single mind for all the

(01:11:07):
different beings. You know, you know about that, right all?
They when a school of fish suddenly turns all at once,
believe me, They don't want they Oh, the guy in
front of me just turned, It's time for me to
turn right. That's not worked. They all there's a single mind.

(01:11:28):
When the swallows go to Capistrano, even though they've never
been there before, how do they know, because there's a
single mind that they all tap into. We have evolved
to the point where we have single minds inside the
single body, but we think that it's all to be

(01:11:51):
used for our own personal good. Have you seen that
absolutely horrendous bumper sticker? The one who dies with the
most toys wins. Yes, it is the dumbest thing in
the world, but that, unfortunately is where so many humans

(01:12:11):
are today. What's in it for me? And if it's
in it for me, you know, screw you. If I'm
you know, I'm trying to do what's best for me.
And what an awful way to look at things. We
are not separate leaves, Dave. We are one tree, and

(01:12:32):
we have to recognize that if we're going to use
all our skills and talents that we have for the
good of all and become what we truly have been
designed to do and become.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
As you went through this process, did you feel like
you were in the presence of God or a God
or whatever you believe in. Did you feel that it
was something that was ethereal?

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yes, I felt that I was in the presence of
something that I never at all believed could have been there.
I all these people who spoke of faith, you remember,
I spoke earlier that I grew up, you know, believing
in science and faith. You know people who have faith,

(01:13:28):
and what do they know, They're just making things up. Well,
now I experienced something that was much greater. Oh my God,
there is a God. There is something greater. And I
decided at that point yes, I've got to check it out.

(01:13:49):
And so I studied. I read the BIE. I started
by reading the Bible from beginning to end, you know,
both Testaments, and I read. I studied Hinduism and Buddhism
and Confucianism and Judaism and Islam and Native American and

(01:14:11):
all indigenous cultures from all over the world. And I
realized that all these people are saying the same thing.
They're saying it in different ways. And that's the whole point.
There are so many different ways to find it, uh.

(01:14:32):
And I had been fortunate enough to find it by
going through the tunnel into the right. But that's you
don't have to do that. What any whatever path you're on,
that's a cool path, it will work. The only person
you have to fear is the person who says my

(01:14:52):
way is the only way right that that person stay
away from. But anything else is legitimate. And for anyone
to say, I mean, I can you believe how stupid
humans have been. We fight with other religions because they

(01:15:22):
call God by a different name. Did you remember how
many years ago was not that long ago in Northern Ireland,
when Protestants and Catholics were kidding each other in the
name of the Prince of peace. How can this be?

(01:15:44):
How can humanity peace? So stupid than to realize there
are many ways to find the truth, you know. Oh, yes,
your guy went this way and he found great and
go that way if you want. But if I want

(01:16:05):
to find it this way, let me find it this way.
It doesn't matter. There are many many ways to the
jewel of truth.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
The piece that you found when you were going through that,
how did you understand that it was a near death experience?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
It was exactly similar to what I had read in
Moody's book. In fact, as I was before when I
first saw the light, when I first saw it, and
I felt I was I could feel I was dying.

(01:16:48):
I felt, you know, I had separated, if you recall,
from the earth element, the water element, the fire element,
the air element, just concerned connected with the ether element.
And I felt I was dying. And the thought went
in my mind, No, no, no, God will not let
me die. Well, I'm searching for him. And of course,
being an atheist at the time, I hadn't yet gone

(01:17:11):
through the light, you know, through the tungue.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I was embarrassed to hear me say that, but that's
what I what I felt. And then a few moments later,
through that tunnel into the light, I refused to breathe.
I refused to breathe and went through and experienced exactly
what I never believed was there. You know, it's possible

(01:17:41):
that you, you know, you find something that you didn't know,
whether you'd heard about it, and you know it can't be,
it can't be, but it really is, My God. Look,
even science now is talking about a oneness in the universe. Yes,

(01:18:02):
they call it dark energy. Quantum physics talks about dark energy.
Religion calls it God, quantum physics calls it dark energy.
Who cares what you call it? It is, it exists.
That's the important thing, not the name you give it,

(01:18:26):
not which you know, what prayers you mutter when you
try and bring this conscious being into your life. More importantly,
you don't even have to go out there to find it,
go inside. I lead meditation groups. Now. You start with

(01:18:47):
meditation with people who don't do it just to quiet
the noise of this crazy world out there. But the
deeper you get, you go behind your thoughts, behind your emotions,
to the actual feeling of being of I am and
when you do that, that is the feeling of oneness,

(01:19:13):
That is the feeling of consciousness of I Am. That
is what fills the universe. Nothing ever happened, Dave. And
you know this is true. Without we think about we
are very being when we say I that is the

(01:19:34):
connector between the inside world and the outside world. Any
work of art from a Vang painting to some guy
scribbling with you know, paint on a wall down and downtown.
You know, no work of art comes out without somebody

(01:19:55):
thinking about it. First. You think about things, you turn
them into physical reality. You think, what am I going
to have for dinner? You taste it in your mind,
and then you turn it to a physical thing in
the physical world, and a half an hour later you're

(01:20:15):
eating what you have thought about in your mind. This
is Earth, This is the universe, this is galaxy, thought
about by consciousness itself. I AM is the oneness that
fills us all. It feels humans, it feels animals, It

(01:20:39):
is Earth itself is alive. We know that, right, Yes, yeah,
you know. And this is what I call new consciousness.
It's been around, but the new part is when humans
are aware of it, because then will use our skills, towns,

(01:21:02):
and abilities for the good of all, not just for
our own personal value. And that's the way it was intended.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Ultimately, how did you find that spiritual connection? After this,
we got about three minutes to go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Well. I realized that what had been what I had
experienced in my near death experience, which I, by the way,
had called a death return experience because from the inside
you don't know that you're coming back. I mean, you
know you've separated from your body. I decided that what
I had been given was not for me alone, and

(01:21:46):
that's why I studied all these different religions and I
went to California Institute of Interval Studies and which was
started by an Indian avatar, Sri Rabindo. His disciple Howdadot's
chardry founded the school and they accepted spiritual reality. And

(01:22:09):
I realized that this is what I wanted. This. I
studied the evolution of human consciousness. That was the field
that I went in, and I read all these different religions.
Then they all said the same thing, and it was

(01:22:29):
what I had experienced personally myself. And when my experience
matches what Laosu says, you know in the II Ching
way back thousands of years ago, or what you know
is said in Islam, or what Jesus said Luke seventeen

(01:22:55):
twenty one. The Kingdom of God is within you, right right,
all right. That's saying I am inside that feeling. That's
where God is John fourteen, fourteen six. I am the Way,
which Jesus said, By the way, you know, he didn't
speak English. Jesus did not speak English. He's pro Charamaic,

(01:23:19):
and I am the Way could just as easily have
been translated into I am is the Way. So it
is said in all these different religions, and that's what
I had experienced. I'd experienced the one. But rather than

(01:23:40):
think that mine was better, I studied all and finding
that they were all saying the same thing from different
perspectives gave me an awareness that we are one once again.
And I say, we are not separate leads. We are
one tree, and we have to live that way for

(01:24:03):
life to be for the heaven on earth that was
intended when the thought of producing a physical reality came
into the mind of the universal oneness.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
It is a powerful concept of learning how to find
your own spirituality, and we have anton gross for another
half hour on spaced out Radio, and when we return,
we're going to get into some audience questions because I
know Anton would love to answer them for you. His
books can be found on his website Anton grows dot com.

(01:24:41):
Gross is spelled Grosz and Handbook for New Consciousness. It
can be found on his website as well. You're definitely
going to want to add his books to your collection,
so go get them Anton grows dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
You're listening Space down for you with your host Dave Scott.
All right, we are clear. We have five minutes. Okay,

(01:25:33):
fascinating stuff, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. I tell you
this the key. This is feeling of wanting to be happy.
It's really the key to it all. I run meditation

(01:25:59):
groups I mentioned, and we start with a meet and
greet before we get into our twenty minutes of meditation.
And I'll say I recall one recently when I said
to the people, what's something that you're good at. Tell

(01:26:22):
us share with the rest of the group something you're
good at. And somebody the good cook, somebody with a cartoonist,
somebody you know takes photographs, somebody the woodwork or whatever
it is. And then I said, you know, I'll bet
if instead of asking you what are you good at?

(01:26:45):
If I said what do you like to do? That
it would have been the same answer. And the vast majority,
maybe ninety one of them said, yes, it would. That's
why we were created as we are. You don't hate

(01:27:11):
doing radio shows? Duh?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Is it obvious? Is it that obvious?

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah? And you're good at it. That's pretty obvious too.
So this is the thing, this is what it's all about.
Be happy, be kind, That's it. It's not it's not hard.
It's really isn't hard, you know, to do the hard.

(01:27:42):
You know, it's it's sometimes hard in in the world
around us, you know, if bombs are dropping on our head,
if you know we don't have enough to eat. Oh oh,
there are so many things. But I certainly don't want
to be responsible for that happening to someone else. And

(01:28:05):
I'll do whatever I can to change change that. And
if in my case, I've been given the ability to write,
to speak and to have these experiences, all the better.
One other thing I will say, I've done many things
in my life. I've got a couple of patents, United

(01:28:26):
States patents. I've owned business, I've and you know about
my professional singing. Many things wonderful life, But I always
felt that the later in my life I did something,
the more important it would be. And as you know,
I'm eighty five, ain't going to be that many more

(01:28:49):
things I do. I got a feeling that this is it.
Share it, Share this information with as many people as
I can. Help make it a better world, Help keep
keep keep humanity from destroying the planet we're living on.

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I can't think of any other species that is, you know,
screwing up our planet like humans are. Yeah, we're the
ones who are putting plastic in the in the oceans.
We're the ones who are putting gases up in the atmosphere. Yeah,
it's crazy what we are doing. Looking out for me me,

(01:29:38):
not us. Looking out for us is one thing looking
out for me, screw you, that's something else. Yeah, amazing.

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(01:31:38):
got new book out Handbook for a New Consciousness. Yeah
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it's going to be a good one. You want to
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toon grows grosz or Z whatever you prefer, dot com

(01:32:00):
and Tom, thank you so much for.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Being here my pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Dave, your near death experience, A skeptic would ask, how
do you know it just wasn't your mind playing tricks
on you? That everything you experienced was real and fundamental
on who you became.

Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
Now, that's a very very interesting point, and it's the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Saying that that is. I think the word weakness came
to mind. Look my experience. We are, as living beings,
a combination of inside reality and outside reality. All right,

(01:33:02):
the outside reality can be proved, and that's where old
Newtonian science was. It was all out there, But the
world inside us is just as real. Let's say that
you and I are sitting across the table at a

(01:33:24):
diner some morning having breakfast, and I say, man, this
coffee is weak, and you say, really, I thought it strong.
Is one of us right and one of us wrong? No,
for my inner reality, that coffee is weak. I happen

(01:33:48):
to like strong black coffee. Maybe you don't. Does that
mean that you're wrong? No, it may be too strong
for you what I experienced. Why do you go home
to a certain you know that walk down the block

(01:34:10):
and turn into one particular house and walk in. Other
people walk past that house. The house looks exactly the
same on the outside, but inside it has a meaning
for you that is real that you experience. That's where

(01:34:32):
I live, That's where my family lives. That makes it?
Does this make sense? Follow you follow what I'm saying. Yes.
So the very fact that someone else cannot feel your
experience doesn't make it unreal. I knew a woman back

(01:34:54):
many many years ago after I had my near death experience.
We're giving an upstate New York at the time. They
were a woman named June Burke who channeled someone named Julian,
a Sarah named Julian. She'd go into trance and she would,
you know, speaking about him, and we, you know, she

(01:35:15):
had great called Circle of Light. Sunday mornings, we would
go and listen to her and she said that she
had some you know, gifts from when she was a
little girl that she could tell what was in the
mailbox or who was about to call, the phone would
ring and did say, oh, that's Aunt Harriet calling, you know,

(01:35:37):
and the mother was like, will you stop doing that, June,
Father Anthony. Things were crazy enough already, you know, stop it,
stop it. But these experiences that we have inside are
real for us, and they cannot be then, and they

(01:36:00):
shouldn't be denied. When I wrote my first book, which
was Our Letters to a Dying Friend, which happened to
have an intro by the Dalai Lama, I have to
throw that in there. That was kind of an accident,
but it just happened to work out. I did radio
shows like I'm doing this one, and people I know,

(01:36:24):
we talk about the you know, near death experience, and
people would say, you know, I had an experience like
that too. But when I told my family, they said, oh,
you're just making that up. Stop it. People will think
you're nuts. So I stopped talking about it. Now, don't
think about it anymore. And it could have affected their

(01:36:49):
vibs in a much such a positive way. And I
would say them, look, you had that experience, all right,
I'll give you. I'll give you another cookie. If I
won my police major major experiences at college. I was.
I was a pretty crappy student, you know. I did

(01:37:11):
I got decent marks, but I wasn't a good student.
But the one of the highlights of my college here
was was one day I'm walking across campus and the
design students needed for psychology experiments. Apparently a bunch of

(01:37:34):
people grand students had had feces and they needed to
have samples and you know, data, And so I went
in and to take the tests, you know, and so
in five dollars you could earn five dollars and in
nineteen sixty five dollars with a lot of money just
for your younger viewers, to let you know that. And

(01:37:56):
I went in and I did all they you know,
took the tests. And the last room I went into
there were five panels set up with red and green
lights on them and buttons underneath the red and green lights,
and paneled walls separating the panels from each other so

(01:38:17):
you couldn't see well within the next the person's and
the other person and there were four other students in there.
There were five panels. I walk in, they say, oh,
the fifth one is here. We can get started. And
they're the professor in the back, and he says, I'm
going to push the buttons, and I'm going to push
the buttons red, green, whichever it is you push that,

(01:38:39):
it'll light up on your panel. They'll all be the same.
And you push the button underneath it. It's going to
get faster and faster until someone misses, and then we'll stop. Okay.
I lined up and got in my cubicle and the
other people on it and goes green, I push green,
goes red. I push red green, red, Boom boom, back

(01:39:00):
and forth. Suddenly me buzzed. Somebody missed, and the guy
at the corner, one of the other students said, who pushed?
Who pushed red? I said I did. He said, you
blew it, fella. Mine was green. You're the one who
miss I said, well, maybe yours was green, but mine
was red. He said no. They died. The professor said

(01:39:23):
they were all going to be the same, and mine
was green, and the woman on the other side said
mine was green too, and I said I don't care
what yours was. Mine was red. He said, are you calling?
Calling me? And I said, what are you telling me? What?
I And we started going at each other and with
fist clench like there was going to be like, who

(01:39:45):
the hell are you telling me? I know what I saw,
all right, at which point suddenly boom, I'm grabbed from
behind and it's the professor and he says, easy, son,
easy son, you were right. It was read. This is
not a test for how you know fast you can

(01:40:07):
respond to colors. It is a test for how you
react to peer pressure. You did very well, son. Here
here's this chip, Go correct your five dollars. I was
so pissed. I woke down and I forgot about that
until my near death experience, when I realized I had

(01:40:33):
this experience. I know what I saw, I know what
I felt, a greater reality, a dimensions, more than just
three dimensions in time. I can't tell you how many
there were, but it was something else. And don't tell

(01:40:57):
me what I didn't experience. And that's what I would
say to anybody who has their own internal experience. Believe yourself.
Don't let anyone tell you you didn't have that experience,
or this coffee is not strong enough for whatever. You

(01:41:20):
have the right to be who you are, and who
you are is just as valid and just as true
as anyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Let's get to some audience questions here after that extremely awesome,
profound statement, Let's go to t Bone here, who is
asking Anton, what's your opinion of the telepathy tapes? Do
you do you believe in telepathy?

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Ah? I believe in insights. I believe in insights. I
have had some of the most profound and traumatic insights ever.
Do I believe that everyone who says so, you know
talks about what you know having experienced them to do? No,

(01:42:13):
I don't. There are you know, people who fake anything.
But if you have an insight of something, you know,
believe it. You know, truth comes from from both sides,
from what's out there and from what's from what's in here.
This is how you know. So much sciences is find

(01:42:38):
truths are found when somebody suddenly says aha, They get
that aha moment. So do I believe in into apathy? Absolutely?
Any individual person or particular thing, I really don't know.
You know, that's up to you know that that person.

(01:42:58):
But yeah, it's real, it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Let's move on. Let's go next to Polly over in Israel.
She is asking does a near death experience change according
to your religious beliefs or is it more like a
procedure same for all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
It would in theory you you will go into the light.
All I was the chaplain. I became a chaplain for
a hospice because after this experience, I wanted to work
with other than just earning money, if you know what

(01:43:40):
I'm saying. I became a home health giver and took
care of old people and eventually talk with chaplain and
I would tell people just you know, if you're going
to die, did They's nothing to be afraid of. If
you happen to see a light, go for the light,
you know. And this is the point. If you if

(01:44:00):
you see a light, that light is the same for
all beings. If you can hold that consciousness of the light,
it is there. If you expect something to happen, then
it probably will. If you expect to see Muhammad or

(01:44:25):
Jesus or Moses or your mother or whomever, yeah, you
probably will because you on the inside are creating that vision.
All right, So it's what we create that I'll allow

(01:44:46):
that to take place. If you are open and just
look at what's there, you will be in the light.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
And that's it, all right. Let's move over to the cam.
What is your opinion on psychedelics.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Any in particular, Well, do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
You need them in order to have an experience if
you've never experienced.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
I used them when I was younger. I don't now
I don't need to. I've been there. I've been through
the door. You know, I've come out the other side.
I know what's there. I remember once as a as

(01:45:39):
a volunteer at a hospice before I became a chaplain,
one of the patients who had as was a Buddhist monk,
and he refused to take any painkillers because he said,
when I actually die, I don't want my mind to

(01:46:02):
be clouded by any anything that can get in the
way of my seeing what is actually there. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I yeah, you know, I give him credit for for that.
You know, the pain, the pain he went through that
he didn't have to experience. But on the other hand,
when he went through, he would clearly, you know, aware
of where he was and what was happening. I I
I see no problem in psychedelics, as you know, to

(01:46:47):
help open the door. Once the door is opened, there's
no need for them anymore that you know? Is that
the reason? Answer?

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
I think that's a great answer, I really do. Let's
move on here, Let's go to t Bone Anton. What
is your take that we agreed to all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
All of this being life? Yes, well we are. We
are one of the creators. You know. When you say we,
you mean you and me.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
T Bone, everybody know, everybody that you know. There are
many people who believe, like through a Kashak records, that
we all signed up for this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Well, first of all, let me say we weren't here
when when the thing started, right, It all started because
the creator said, hey, you know, you know I'm thinking
about this. Let's turn it into something material. How cool
is that? You know? And then the evolution took place,
and eventually more and more evolved beings took place, and

(01:48:07):
you know, is there reincarnation? I certainly believe that there is.
I certainly believe that you know, who we are, what
we bring into this life is built up from where
we were. Did we agree that it should be this

(01:48:29):
type of crazy ass world that we're living in now?
I don't think we did, you know, But that's where
we get the opportunity to change it. All right, do
what we can for others, you know, I repeat it
you know, we're not separately. We're one tree. We're unique

(01:48:50):
because it would be so boring if we were all
the same. But using our skills and talents for everything else,
you know, how wonderful that we can. You know that
we can make this happen. So whether we agreed on it,
it'll be we agreed on it because we were the
oneness when it started. All right, we were that seed

(01:49:15):
of the tree. But then we evolve and separate and became,
you know, look like the separate unique items. Do we
each agree from it from this point? Well, probably not,
but we're in it. So let's go back to the source.
Recognize our oneness, Recognize that together we can make it

(01:49:39):
all happen properly. And yeah, as the oneness, we did
agree to it. Did that make sense? By the way,
you guys are asking cool questions.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Well, we got a couple more. Let's go back to
t bone, back to back, he is asking anton. Once
we then find it, who can we tell?

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Tell whoever you want to, you know, get on get
on day's program and tell them, you know, write your book,
go to meditation groups, become a chaplain, you know, for
our hospice, help people who are dying. I came up

(01:50:27):
with a prayer. I'm a non denominational minister, all right.
I don't believe any one religion is better than any
other revision. I'm into spirituality. And the prayer I came
up with for dying people was may what is supposed
to happen happen with no pain or suffering for anyone.

(01:50:53):
And that seemed to make sense. So when you find it,
tell it, spread it into the world. But you know,
don't make it sound like you're the only one who knows,
you know, because that's you know. That means I'm better.
I'm no better than anyone else. I just have been.
This is my calling to spread this word. But by

(01:51:13):
the way, God doesn't need me anton to spread the
word of universal oneness, right. I do what I can.
But if the word is going to get out there,
it's going to get out there. I do what I
like doing. I do what makes me happy. What makes

(01:51:35):
me happy is sharing oneness, sharing love and you know,
togetherness among all people and hoping that it will help
make a better world. If it works, great, If it doesn't, hey,
I gave it my best shot, and I died smiling anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
Final question from our audience tonight for you. This goes
to a brand new listener making a killing in our
chat room. Do you believe in the fourth dimension?

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Define the fourth dimension? I believe that there's more than
the three that we know of. Yeah, and if maybe
it's inside, you know, the inside reality is just as real.
It's just as real. The others are just out there.

(01:52:34):
There are three dimensions outside of us. There's time, which
is sort of a dimension, but it's also outside of us.
And then there's the reality on the other side of
the eye, the inside that is real. As we've already discussed,
My likes and dislikes are just as real for me

(01:52:57):
as your likes and dislikes are for you, even though
they may be completely different, you know. So, do I
believe that there are other dimensions? Yes? I don't know
how you define fourth dimension, So I don't think I
should answer that because I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
That, right, I'm gonna sneak in one more question here.
We got a minute to go. Yeah, Cole is asking
what do you think of super consciousness? Can we tap
into that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Absolutely absolutely. My My latest line that it just feels right.
I know what a perfect way to end this To
end the show, Dave, think about this one and just
feel it. Just stop fer minute, everyone and just think
and feel. In fact, don't think it, just feel it.

(01:53:54):
God is, I am, You are, and we are one.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
That's what it's all about. Use your skills, talents and
abilities for the good of all. Enjoy your life, be happy,
be kind. That's it by three rules of life. It's
a beautiful, beautiful life.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Anton Gross, everybody, Anton Gross dot com get his books there,
swamp dweller an extra small our next hour three you're
listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

(01:55:05):
Great job tonight, Anton, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Thank you very much, David, with a great, great pleasure
that really really relaxed. Other than the fact that we
didn't have a beer in front of us, we could
have been just hanging out together.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
It's all good, my friend. Thank you. I told you
it'd be a good one and you were great.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Thank you very much, my pleasure, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Take thank you, take care, good night.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
Good night, wish your peace, brother good night.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
How awesome was he? And that voice, Oh my god,
that voice. All right, I'll be right back, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
Five.

Speaker 9 (01:57:18):
Make sure you tell they to choose food sai.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
All right, there we go, bring an extra small hold on.

Speaker 7 (02:00:20):
How you doing, buddy, fantastic, my friend, good, fantastic good.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
We did that one last night, swamp Doll. There's going
to be about four minutes and we kind of go
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every night right here on spaced Out Radio, Let's head
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Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios swamp On Swamp dweller,
and tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unkno sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 10 (02:03:01):
At the time, I was serving in the military overseas
in Yokosuka, Japan from twenty twelve to twenty fourteen. Since
my time there, I was settled and been there for
two years and seeing a very lovely girl named May.
May had told me she was pregnant with my child
while I was on my deployment. I took responsibility for
my actions, so we started to plan during the second

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year of my service, during the winter six months since
May gave me the news. My ship had been in
a dry dog for a year, and each ship, depending
on how large the ship's crew is, had a handful
of duty sections. This was a group of crew members
who watched the ship and took care of it while
the rest of the crew was off. So my section
was on duty this night, and then during our evening meal,

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one of my shipmates asked me if I could switch.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Watches with him.

Speaker 10 (02:03:49):
Being that my current watch was standing and freezing cold
for five hours, he thought giving me his barracks watch
would lift my spirits up.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
It did.

Speaker 10 (02:03:58):
I took the proposal in a harpy. We both let
our section leader know of the change. At twenty three
forty five, I was on my way to the barracks
to start my watch from twenty four hundred to zero
six hundred.

Speaker 3 (02:04:12):
The barracks watch was.

Speaker 10 (02:04:13):
There for safety and to see that the right people
were in their respective rooms. I arrived with five minutes
to spare, I bought myself a person I was relieving
a coffee, thinking it would help them on their cold
walk home. As the night progressed, I made my rounds
every half an hour, and when the wee hours of
the morning came around, I started to doze off. I

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was awoken by a resident who couldn't sleep due to
their neighbors, crying. If you can't get the girl back
in her room and keep her quiet, I won't tell
the supervisor that you were sleeping, he muttered, as if
I didn't have a choice. The barracks were three floors
high full of people, but at this hour, the silence
had a certain neariness to it, like you could hear

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your own home art beat. My footsteps echoed as in
some sort of catacomb. As I made my way upstairs,
I began to hear sobbing. I shook my head in disappointment.
This should be fun, I said to myself. I reached
the third floor and I made my way down the hallway.

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The sobbing sounded like it was coming from the laundry room.
Maybe the poor girl didn't want to wake up her roommates,
I thought to myself, as I made my way into
the laundry room. The sobbing was low, like she tried
to hide it. I stepped forward and asked, miss a,
are you okay. I turned the light on and I
saw a young girl sitting on the floor facing the wall,

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leaning on the washer machine. I asked again, miss are
you all right? I put some strain on it so
she may hear me pass the sobbing. I still waited
for a response, but still got nothing. It was late
and I was tired and getting impatient. I got closer
to her. Hey, lady, are you all right? I think
you should call it a night, I yelled as I

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walked closer. Just as I did, the girl sprung up quickly.
She looked sick. She had dark eyes, greasy air, and
she didn't look happy. It was almost as if I
ruined her crying game. Before I could open my mouth,
she let out an ear shattering scream and it just
kept climbing in pitch. I get closer to shut her up,

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but the noise was too much and I collapsed. The
last thing I saw was the sickly girl with her
menacing face, staring straight at me and screaming. All of
a sudden. I woke up in the office where I
watched the cameras. I would writen it off as a
bad dream from eating Galley food, but I felt different.
I felt cold. I have never left the office for

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the rest of my watch. A week later, I got
news from May. She told me that there were complications
with the baby and she had a miscarriage. I couldn't
help feeling that the young girl in my night terror
and the miscarriage could be linked. I'm Backstay side down
and the experience has left a major impression on me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Thank you, swamp Dweller for a creepy story just like that.
If you want more, do us a favor. Head on
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Q and A. Let's go to Extra Small Least Trousse be.

Speaker 11 (02:07:25):
Call Extra Small Bodies, Big Wearing Counts, Chasing Big for
through the Woods on Wildcounts, Talking Ghosts in the Dark,
UFOs send the sky aliens laughing while they're cruising by
yelleyst trousers out there.

Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
You get that cosmic call. He's a legend development on
fifteen hero Space out radios Q and A.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
It's a beautiful song, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (02:08:00):
It's fantastic. I wish there was more, Dave, I wish
there is more. I know I ll have to make
a long version of that. Heck, yeah, absolutely. How you
been doing, buddy.

Speaker 5 (02:08:12):
I've been doing great. You know, I was absent last week,
but I'm back.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Well, you were hanging out with your mom? How could you?
There's logical excuses. Hanging out with your mom is one
of those logical excuses.

Speaker 5 (02:08:28):
My mom and Tammy, So yep.

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
And where is a sweet Tammy tonight?

Speaker 7 (02:08:34):
Tammy is back in back home down in northern California.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
Nice?

Speaker 5 (02:08:41):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
Does she have her passport?

Speaker 5 (02:08:44):
She does have a passport.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
Good. So that way when you come up to investigate
Flight twenty one, you can.

Speaker 5 (02:08:53):
Bring her along, bring another investigator with me. That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
We wrapped up the flight twenty one for this year. Yeah, okay,
due to weather and trying to get there, and it's
just it's easier if if you know, with the snow
about to fly and it's starting to build up in
the in the hill hillier areas is hilly? You're a word?
Can we say that?

Speaker 5 (02:09:19):
I think we can say.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
Okay, you know, just overall, I mean, you were listening
to what Tim and I were saying and what I've
said about flight twenty one, you experienced it yourself, just
your overall thoughts looking back.

Speaker 7 (02:09:34):
Looking back, I mean, heck, it's been months now, but
you know, it's just one of those areas where you
want to continue to go and investigate. I kind of
talked about that earlier tonight too with my guests about there.
There's these areas that just keep drawing us back in
and you're just lucky enough to have one as close

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as you do. A lot of us have to travel,
you know, hours to get to a location like that.
But it wasn't just that spot, Dave. You know, we
went to another location we you know, saw that amazing
three toed footprint and that we took a picture of
and so everything up there is is amazing to me,

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but specifically that one location where you have all that
phenomena happening in one general spot.

Speaker 5 (02:10:26):
So yeah, those spots are out there.

Speaker 7 (02:10:29):
Sometimes you got to drive and sometimes you're lucky like
you and get there in forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
For you to be out there hearing all the hype
that we talked about regarding flight twenty one, what was
it for you? What was it like for you being there?

Speaker 7 (02:10:48):
For me, it was like, my gosh, I've been listening
today talk about this this place for a while, and
Tim talked about it, and you know the videos that
you guys are putting out, and it's just like, holy cow,
I get to go to this location, which is great,
but you know in your mind and most people have
these these spots, you know that are doing the research

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that we do.

Speaker 5 (02:11:10):
I guess is it even research? You could answer, You
could answer.

Speaker 7 (02:11:14):
That just as well as I could, But it's it's
you have a spot in your mind where you know
that you've had activity before and you really want to
concentrate in your own spot, in your own area, and
you get all these people to come to you.

Speaker 5 (02:11:29):
Say I've got a great spot. I've got a great spot.

Speaker 7 (02:11:32):
And you know, you hear it time and time again,
but in our minds, we're like, well, nothing is better
than the spot that we already have, right, but to
go to flight twenty one, now that's special in its
own way. A lot of activity there, and it's definitely
a spot that you know, I would like to investigate more.

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But you know, right here where I'm at, I got
to drive three out one way to get to one
of my spots in three hours, three and a half
hours south to get to another one of my spots.
So I wish I had something closer.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
But it's much easier when it's in your backyard.

Speaker 5 (02:12:15):
Yeah, yeah, it is. But your spot is definitely unique
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 7 (02:12:20):
I mean, these these areas that you go to, each
of them have their own feel, their own energy, their
own fingerprint, so to speak, and yours is a lot
different than the other two that I have.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
It is unique, that is for sure. I think I'm
going to remember the experiences and how do I take
those experiences into year number two. I think that's a
that's a big one for me because I've been an
investigator before, I've never been a researcher before. I'm very

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amateur at it. I am still learning how to do it.
What's the proper technique, what's not? Who can you bring
up there? Who can you not? Because the phenomena is
very picky with who goes up there and who's going
to have an experience and who's not. I mean, you
look at all the people, the tourists that go up

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there just to pay their respects, and they have no
clue that all of this amazing phenomena is going on
at the same time, because I think the phenomena knows
what they're there for and is just saying, Okay, quiet down,
back away, sasquatch. This is just for you know, these
people going in to say hello. They're usually there for

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about five minutes, ten minutes, and then they leave. They're
not out perusing around on the other trails or anything
along those lines. So I think I learned a little
bit about me. I'm not as afraid to be out
in the forest anymore because of that. I still am
timid because it's so castrophobic there. You never know what's

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all of a sudden going to pop out on a trail.
That's kind of eerie. I am fearful of what could
be there that I don't know about yet, but that
fear is more trumped by curiosity and my quest to

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learn more about the phenomena through experience.

Speaker 10 (02:14:39):
It.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
So next year is going to be very interesting to
see how it plays out. Because I'm going to have
a bigger team. I'm going to be bringing, you know,
testing people out to make sure that I have the
ability to do what we have to do out there,
you know, and with a bigger team. The tough part
about it with Tim was, let's say, like a couple

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of times Tim wasn't feeling well, so we didn't get
out there. I'm raring to go, but I'm not going
out there alone. So if I have a team with me,
you know, whether or not Tim comes back, and I
hope he does, right, But if I have a team
with me, it's going to be a lot easier for

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somebody on that team to all of a sudden say,
you know what, I'm not going tonight not feeling it.
You know, I'm not feeling good, or maybe I hurt
myself at work today or or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:15:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
And if you have four or five people, the chances
of going not or chances of missing a weekend are
slim to none.

Speaker 5 (02:15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:15:45):
So and I agree those places that we go we
should have people with us. You shouldn't go alone, especially
after we saw the Kiddy. You know, in reviewing some
of that footage, you've got a big cat obviously.

Speaker 5 (02:15:59):
In that area.

Speaker 7 (02:16:00):
Yes, And that's my biggest fear for you is you're
going to be out there alone and there's a big
cat behind you and you're not going to know it
until you're faced down on the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
Yeah. I'm not doing that, man, I will. I went
out there alone once this year, and that was to
gather my trail cams that you graciously gave me. And
I was in and out of there. Man, I missed.
I forgot to hit record one time and I was like, no,

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I am not going back to film it, Like, I
am not doing that. So you know, it is what
it is. Right. Let's move on from Flight twenty one,
because you know, there's some very interesting stories in today
in UFO history. How about this one. Nineteen fifty six,

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in your beautiful state of Washington, radars stations across Washington
State began tracking an unknown object moving at speeds far
beyond known craft of the area of the era. Pardon me.
The target appeared suddenly over the Pacific, then streaked towards
the interior of Washington State, shifting directions with abrupt angular

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movements that defied inertia. Radar operators at McCord Air Force
Base in Tacoma quickly confirmed the returns. Not weather, not birds,
not equipment malfunction. There was something solid, fast, and under
intelligent control. So the United States Air Force scrambled two

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F eighty nine Scorpion interceptors to make visual contact. As
the jets closed in on whatever this thing was. The
pilots reported that the object performed evasive maneuvers, accelerating to
speeds they could not match. One pilot described it as
jumping across the sky, vanishing from one point and reappearing

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in another. On radar, the object even seemed to toy
with the jets, slowing down enough for them to approach,
then blasting away in a sudden burst of speed that
left the Scorpion pilots behind. Radar logs from that night
show multiple operators witnessing the same impossible maneuvers. The chase

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ended abruptly as it began. The unknown craft ascended rapidly,
climbing higher than the F eighty nine s could pursue,
eventually vanishing from radar altogether. The Air Force filed a brief,
vague entry about the incident, but offered no formal explanation,
despite several experienced personnel being involved. The case was quietly

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filed under unidentified over time. It is because one of
the forgotten events in America's Cold War era SkyWatch, an
encounter that suggested something advanced was monitoring the Pacific Northwest
long before UFO disclosure discussions.

Speaker 5 (02:19:16):
Your thoughts, well, toying.

Speaker 1 (02:19:20):
So they're toying.

Speaker 7 (02:19:21):
With the with the jets, with the pilots. I go
back to thinking and believing. And you know, from my
point of view, they have a sense of humor.

Speaker 5 (02:19:33):
They do it.

Speaker 7 (02:19:34):
Maybe it may seem very dry at times, but I
really do think that.

Speaker 5 (02:19:42):
A lot of things that I've seen.

Speaker 7 (02:19:44):
Dave, just just show me and tell me that they
have a great sense of humor. But here in Washington State,
there's been so much that has gone on with with
the UFOs and the military. I've got countless reports of
people witnessing UFOs, you know, around Tacoma, around Seattle, you know,

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Everett on up north, you know, all the way into
Bellingham and across the border, and they're over on would
be Island. We also have ah a naval station as well,
and we have.

Speaker 5 (02:20:24):
Jets that fly out of there and then you know.

Speaker 7 (02:20:26):
Fly up up the valleys up through the mountain mountains.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
The cascades up here as well, chasing UFOs. I've heard
about people.

Speaker 7 (02:20:35):
That have seen that, and and you know, of course
they toy and they joke around. It seems like, you know,
they obeyed and then they pop up again in another
another spot, or they go, you know, into the ocean
and different things like that.

Speaker 5 (02:20:52):
So I think it's a it's a game for them.
We may think it's serious, but.

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
I was gonna and it's funny you say that because
I was gonna mention. But I think they're having fun,
just like you and I playing fetch with a dog,
or Hide and go seek with a dog, or I'm
gonna get you with a dog. You know, what does
a dog do. It scrambles away really fast, and it
does its little zoomies and then turns right around and said,
hey see you can't catch me, and you clap your

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hands again to the dog you know, takes off into
another zoomi tantrum that they love to have with a
big smile on their face. And it's almost like that,
you know. And I harken back to incidents not only
like this, but to the moms from Air Force Base
where the nuclear missiles were I believe it was Moms

(02:21:43):
from I probably got that wrong, okay, where they were
turning the nuclear missiles on and off. We looked at
that as an obvious threat, and who wouldn't, Okay, But
on the flip side, for them, maybe it's just a
game toying. Look at the toy, the primitive toys they're
playing with. Let's see if we can use them like

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a like a I don't know. I mean, as a kid,
we all had a remote control car. Let's see what
we could do with them, right, I.

Speaker 7 (02:22:13):
Think that I think in that case, Dave, I think
they were trying to teach us a lesson. You know,
don't don't play with things that you don't understand. And
that's why I think, you know, they turned us ours off,
and in Russia they turned theirs on just to scare
us and let us know that we're messing with things

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that we shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:22:40):
And that's also a good point too, because many people
who claim to have been taken up on craft and
been quote end quote educated by them have come back
saying the Aliens will never allow us to have a
nuclear war, that if the ever launched, they will shut

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them down. Yeah, and these people who have these conversations
while being taken, they are very steadfast on it. And
it's not just one person who is having these And look,
a lot of these stories came pre internet days, so
it's not like, oh, this is just an Internet rumor

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a Reddit thread that went viral, or creepy pasta that
has gone into the alien realm. It's not that at all.
These phenomenon, you know, those pieces of media didn't exist
when people were saying, Look, I was taken and they
told me point blank that if nuclear weapons are ever launched,

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that's where we will step in up until then, humans
have the free will to do, but we're not going
to let you kill your planet.

Speaker 3 (02:23:52):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (02:23:53):
And from what I understand, it affects more than just
our planet. People have said that it affects, you know,
the Solar system, and then there's.

Speaker 5 (02:24:02):
Other things too beyond our reality that it can.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
Affect absolutely, and that's kind of where we're at with it.
So when we return for the next half hour of
the Q and A, not only A, we're going to
take some audience questions if they want to ask questions
if you're in one of our chat rooms, but We're
going to tell you another story on this date in
UFO history. Yeah, how about another military aircraft disappearing vanishing

(02:24:35):
into thin air unintended. Spaced out radio continues after this.
This is spaced out radio, and your hosts nay.

Speaker 7 (02:24:47):
Stuff, all right, extra small, Okay, all right, let me

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tell you about the creepy crap that's going on here
in my place.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
Well, wait until we get back on air. Oh okay,
I had a I will say this earlier tonight. I
haven't mentioned it, but if our audience has been here,
like in the first half hour, you saw me kind
of looking down and leaning past my desk. I had
like a like a black It wasn't an orb It

(02:25:42):
was about like a black blob like I don't even
know how to explain it, kind of look like that
go ripping about two feet off my floor, right across
my desk and into the wall.

Speaker 5 (02:25:56):
Oh, right into the wall.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:25:59):
You think you're possibly bringing some stuff home from flight
twenty one?

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
No, no, no, I feel clear. I totally feel clear.
I know when I have something. The one thing I
will say this is I do know when I have
something attached. Don't have anything?

Speaker 7 (02:26:19):
Okay, Yeah, Well your area up there is pretty haunted.

Speaker 1 (02:26:30):
You love it up here, I do. We're gonna try
and get you up here like once a month.

Speaker 5 (02:26:38):
I wish, I wish.

Speaker 1 (02:26:40):
Well, you're coming up twice next year.

Speaker 5 (02:26:45):
Twice.

Speaker 1 (02:26:46):
Yeah, you're coming up to investigate, and then you're coming
up for par con. Okay, that's twice if you count them,
it's once twice. Oh dear God, oh God, you can't

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make this ship up, Lee, No, you.

Speaker 7 (02:27:10):
Know, I gotta ask for more time off. Supposed to
be going possibly over to the uh over across the
pond too.

Speaker 1 (02:27:32):
Well, Okay, if you come a couple of days early,
you only have to come once up here.

Speaker 5 (02:27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:27:40):
Yeah, we'll see what we do. Uh Tamy will be
coming for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:27:48):
So good high adventures with Beth.

Speaker 5 (02:28:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
Yeah. People, you guys are impressed that I could count
to two. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun.
Nebraska in our San Francisco in March, Nebraska in April,
Vegas in May. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:28:26):
I definitely need to get more than three weeks off
a year. That's just not cutting it.

Speaker 1 (02:28:31):
I say, we just win the lotteryly you do one
of them powerball things that would do it. Yep. I'm
gonna be honest. I'd be riding on your financial coattails after.

Speaker 5 (02:28:43):
That be full time investigating.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
You would be my sugar daddy.

Speaker 5 (02:28:49):
Mm how would that look?

Speaker 1 (02:28:53):
Well, there would be a lot of camouflage and a
lot of road trips in the Sasquatch area.

Speaker 5 (02:28:59):
Yeah, there'd be a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
Mm hmmm, uh huh. So you know what I did?
What's that?

Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
Bud?

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
I bought my boy and megalodon tooth for Christmas?

Speaker 7 (02:29:14):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's super cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Matthew
wants to know where you get your gear my gear,
your gear, your equipment that you use for investigation a
lot of the time.

Speaker 5 (02:29:32):
Amazon and then ghost Stop.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
As well.

Speaker 7 (02:29:42):
Yep, you just have to research it, you know, figure
out what'll work for you with whatever you're researching. Some
most things are like cross platform where you can use
them for different types of investigation.

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
But that's awesome. We've got twenty five seconds. Big kudos
shout out to t Bone, Pam, Matthew, and Kitty with
a great super chat tonight. Thank you t Bone for
gifting a membership, Richard for adding a membership. We greatly

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you save it for the people listening. You've had some
creepy stuff going on in your house.

Speaker 7 (02:31:41):
Yeah, the last couple of days, man, weird stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:31:44):
So the first.

Speaker 7 (02:31:46):
Thing before I left for Thanksgiving yesterday, I turned the
TV off, and I set the remote down on the table,
and I walked into the kitchen and getting some stuff
gathered up, and all of a sudden, the TV comes
on and it goes to like the Lifetime channels, kind

(02:32:07):
of like the Hallmark channel, right I'm like, what the
heck is this? Right, So, in order this for this
to happen, two buttons have to be pushed.

Speaker 5 (02:32:17):
Okay, actually three. You have to turn it on. You
got to select the sideways button.

Speaker 7 (02:32:22):
Then you got to push the OK button to select
that channel. And there's no buttons on the bottom of
the remote. You know, one will say like Amazon or
YouTube or whatever the case may be. But there's no
Lifetime button on a remote control. And so I'm like, well,

(02:32:42):
that's weird. So I go back over there, shut the
darn thing off again, and then a minute later it
happens again. Same thing turns on and then goes to
the to the Lifetime channel. I'm like, what this is bizarre?
This is this is.

Speaker 5 (02:32:58):
This isn't what the going on?

Speaker 7 (02:33:00):
And you know, my mind's thinking, well, maybe there's somebody
in the house, an entity that wants to watch the
Lifetime channel. But I turned it off anyway, And then
I thought before I left, wait a minute, maybe something's
trying to tell me something here. You know, everybody's going
for Thanksgiving dinner, right, everybody is away from their place

(02:33:22):
in there somewhere else. Maybe I should leave it on
because somebody might want to try to break in or
whatever the case may be, get to the equipment that
I have. So I said, okay, I'm going to turn
it back on the Lifetime channel. And I turned it on,
and then I took off for the day. And then
I come home and I'm sitting in my bedroom talking

(02:33:45):
to Tammy, and all of a sudden, I hear voices.

Speaker 1 (02:33:49):
In the living room.

Speaker 5 (02:33:50):
I'm like, what the hell you know?

Speaker 7 (02:33:53):
So I go into the living room and my A,
I don't want to say her name, the A. I've
got these devices, these little devices around my house that
are you know, the Amazon devices. I don't want to
tell you what their name is because then they all
go off. But all of a sudden, the one in
the kitchen turns on and is starting to talk and

(02:34:15):
says something about gloves. And I don't understand why gloves,
but gloves were coming up and she was talking about gloves.
And so after that, I went to bed. But today
I wake up and I'm fiddling around and all of
a sudden, Lifetime channel comes on again. So whoever's in

(02:34:40):
the place with me really likes the Lifetime channel.

Speaker 1 (02:34:44):
Well, it's better than the Hallmark channel. During the Christmas season. Well,
that's what it's like. It's just like that, Well I
realize it. You're only going to be in danger if
that spirit or ghost starts saying the name Mariah Carry
three times during the Christmas season, then you know you

(02:35:05):
need to get out fast.

Speaker 7 (02:35:10):
And it's just kind of funny, you know, just over
the past couple of days, and I think things like this,
this sort of stuff can happen when you give it energy. Right,
So lately I've kind of been talking to Tammy about
some things that are happening in her place, and it
kind of opens the door when you start talking about stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:35:34):
And so that's what I think has happened here.

Speaker 1 (02:35:39):
You got ghosts. I do. Matthew Gooko wants to know
in the chat room, where do you get your equipment?
What do you use? There was another question here. I
totally butchered it and lost it. I'll try and find
it and post it for you.

Speaker 7 (02:35:54):
Okay, So Amazon's where I get a lot of my
equipment and then ghost stop. But you know you can
get a piece of a quick and for instance, this
three sixty trail camera right here. You know, whenever you
get a piece of equipment or whenever I do, I
try to modify it in some way, shape or form
to make it different than other equipment that I have.

(02:36:15):
So this three sixty trail camera, I painted berries all over,
and I made it basically as visible as frickin' possible.
Maybe too, you know, maybe a sasquatch might want to
come up and take a look at that. If there's
berries all over, its.

Speaker 1 (02:36:35):
Good pain job.

Speaker 5 (02:36:37):
Oh thank you?

Speaker 1 (02:36:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:36:39):
So I mean, and you know, the two that I.

Speaker 7 (02:36:42):
Gave you, I put I painted them with the anti
RFID paint to hopefully cut down on any electronic signal
coming out of them. And so, you know, just things
like that get when you get a piece of equipment,
just think about the best way to use it and
maybe try something different.

Speaker 1 (02:37:06):
Okay, what about this question heving for you from Boondock?
Do you use a spirit boxative? So, which one do
you prefer? Okay?

Speaker 7 (02:37:15):
So I do have a spirit box right now. I
think it said SB one or something like that. It's
in my closet over here. It's the only one I
have right other than the one that's on my phone.
And most people say the ones on the phone don't
work so well, but I haven't found that to be

(02:37:37):
the case. If you go into an area with an
one on your phone like I have, and it starts
spitting out full sentences and it says your name, and
it says things that are pertinent to where you are
at that time, then they work, you know. But I've
always heard that they don't. But then again, we had

(02:37:58):
situations where you know, it says, well, we're in this
spot and these are the things that are happening here
or have happened here, you know, and then you find
out by doing a little bit of research that that
stuff is true.

Speaker 5 (02:38:15):
You know, things are more apt to work than you think.

Speaker 1 (02:38:23):
I find I have an SB seven. I find my
issue with it is that it's way too quiet. Like
the volume on it is extremely quiet, even when it's
like cranked up to like thirty like, there seems to
be no difference between whether it's at a volume of
fifteen level or a volume of thirty level. And the

(02:38:49):
thing is it's barely used, right, so it's not but
yet you put headphones on, it's it jacks up the audio.
So you're like, okay, now you can understand what it saying.
It sounds like Charlie Brown's bomb without it and then
put the headphones on it and you're like, bingo, that's
what they're saying. You know, Sasquatch was a slice of cheese.

(02:39:12):
You know. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:39:13):
We tried the SD's method. You know.

Speaker 7 (02:39:17):
When I was up there, Yes, and I had the
darnedest time. I could hear that it was saying things,
but I couldn't understand.

Speaker 1 (02:39:25):
Yeah, I would like to improve on that. One thing
that I would suggest that I really learned from Flight
twenty one is lighting. You can have all the toys
in the world, but if you don't have lighting, lighting
being a very good flashlight, high lumin flashlight, those lights

(02:39:47):
that you had on the stands, I'm getting those for
next year, one hundred percent. I'm getting those for next year.

Speaker 4 (02:39:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:39:56):
And if you don't have good lighting, it's not going
to because if you're out it's I mean for ghosts,
it's different. But if you're out looking for cryptids and
you're in a bigfoot area, you need lighting.

Speaker 10 (02:40:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:40:09):
That's the mistake that we made this year. That was
one of the mistakes that I'm like, I have to
change that.

Speaker 5 (02:40:17):
Lighting is good for filming.

Speaker 1 (02:40:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:40:21):
I don't know about the cryptid stuff. I mean, they're
going to hide from the light.

Speaker 1 (02:40:28):
Yeah, But if you have something making noise and it's
going dusk to dark, it's pretty good to have that lighting.
So you can tell the difference between if it's a
cryptid or if it's some sort of grizzly bear in
my area.

Speaker 7 (02:40:44):
Yeah, they're grizzly bears and going to give a crap
about lighting necessarily, you know. That's why you have a
campfire is for grizzly bear and cats.

Speaker 1 (02:40:54):
Very true, very true.

Speaker 5 (02:40:58):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:41:01):
All right, let's go. I think I don't see any
more questions here. I'm going to read you another story here. Okay,
this also happened on this date. Okay, back in nineteen
fifty eight, so two years after the Washington State incident.

(02:41:23):
Lieutenant Charles B. Jenkins of the United States Air Force
was flying an F ninety four Starfire Interceptor on a
night mission near the Gulf of Mexico when radar operators
detected an unknown target moving erratically along the coast, and Jenkins,
by the way, was vectored towards the object, which appeared

(02:41:46):
to be descending and ascending in rapid controlled movements. As
Jenkins approached, the radar blips of the F ninety four
at the unknown target closed in on each other, too
close for comfort. Controllers later reported that the two objects
merged on radar, appearing as a single return. Moments after

(02:42:09):
the merge, Jenkins transponder went dark, radio communication failed. Radar
tracked the unknown object for several seconds longer as it
moved away from the merge point, but Jenkins aircraft was
simply gone. No distress call, no debris, no emergency beacon.

(02:42:32):
Search and rescue teams scoured the gulf waters for days,
but nothing was ever found. No wreckage, no oil slick,
no sign that the jet had gone down. It was,
after all, as if the craft had been plucked out
of the sky. Internally, the Air Force treated the incident
as a disappearance, not a crash. Off the record, radar

(02:42:56):
operators is expressed unease about the behad behavior of the
unknown target, and several spoke of the unmistakable merge event
in extremely rare occurrence in which an unidentified aircraft and
in an airplane occupy the same radar return space. Some
investigators privately linked to it to other mid century UFO

(02:43:20):
intercept vanishings include the Mantel case, but officially, the United
States Air Force offered no conclusions. Jenkins' disappearance remains unsolved.
A chilling example of a UFO intercept that ended with
one of the aircraft missing and an unknown that left
the area untouched.

Speaker 7 (02:43:46):
Well, it makes me think that, you know, there's a
species out there that likes to collect things.

Speaker 2 (02:43:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:43:54):
I think there was a Star Trek episode where.

Speaker 7 (02:43:58):
Something like that, a big craft have to of some
sort basically swallowed, you know, the the Enterprise, And so
maybe it's something like that, that there is a species
out there that likes to collect things like the predator
for instance, like to collect skulls, different sized skulls and creatures.

(02:44:24):
So I'm wondering if if there isn't something like that
for real, could very well be because we've had boats
and ships disappear as well.

Speaker 1 (02:44:36):
Yes we have, Yes we have. So I often wonder
is it the you know, Bermuda triangle type stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:44:50):
Well, it happens, it does happen in the Muta Triangle,
But I don't think.

Speaker 5 (02:44:57):
As far as the t are concerned, I think.

Speaker 7 (02:45:03):
They probably just want to learn from the stuff that
we have. I don't necessarily think it just happens in
the Immuta Triangle. Well, obviously it doesn't just happen there.
Happens quite a few places, and it probably not not
just in the err or not just on the sea,
but also on land when things you hear about people

(02:45:25):
miss missing, you know, David Politis and the four to
one one and different things like that, so you know,
it's it's quite possible we could get taken again and
not come back.

Speaker 1 (02:45:39):
Home, right mm hmm. It's just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Here's
one that we got about six minutes left. I want
to get this one. And this is one of my favorites.
And it's never been proven, okay that this actually happened.
This is a Vietnam War legend. The story begins in

(02:46:03):
the Jungles of Vietnam, where a U A United States
Air Force B fifty two bomber vanished from radar during
a night bombing run over Laos. Controllers at the time
saw something they couldn't explain, a second object, bright and fast,
approaching the bomber at impossible speed. Moments before the aircraft disappeared,

(02:46:25):
the two blips once again merged into one. No distress call,
no explosions, no debris field on radar, just silence. Commands
scrambled a covert recovery team led by Special Forces soldier
william S English to locate the missing craft before the
Viet Cong or North Vietnamese Army could reach it. When

(02:46:47):
English's team found the B fifty two, the aircraft was
remarkably intact, resting like a wounded giant in the jungle clearing,
not torn apart like a crash victim. The strange details
came when they entered the fuselage. The crew was still
strapped in their seats, but they were all dead, their

(02:47:08):
bodies showing bizarre signs of trauma, massive eternal injuries, severe
tissue damages, and yet no external bleeding. According to the tail,
every face was frozen in an expression of shock, as
if they had all seen something terrifying in the final instant.
The avionics were fried, the instruments were dead. Whatever hit

(02:47:33):
the bomber didn't leave a conventional mark. English reported that
his findings to command only be told that only to
be told the plane was to be destroyed on site.
Codebooks were removed, dog tags collected, and demolition charges were planted.
As his team withdrew and ambush erupted. Some of his

(02:47:55):
men were killed others injured, but English survived, eventually escaping
through the jungle. When he later attempted to find a
or file a formal report, he found doors closed, record sealed,
and superiors unwilling to acknowledge the mission had ever happened.
The salvage team was disbanded, the story buried. To this day,

(02:48:16):
the B fifty two incident lives on as one of
the most chilling and unverified legends of the Vietnam War,
and encounter suggesting that something far stranger than enemy fire
stalked the skies above Southeast Asia.

Speaker 7 (02:48:34):
Okay, Now, in most of these stories, we hear about
an orb of light, right, and typically when we think
about an orb of light, it's not as big as
a plane. It's usually smaller basketball size or somewhere thereabouts.
How does something that large take a craft or let's

(02:48:58):
say a boat, or maybe even a person and make
them disappear. Are they creating some sort of a gateway
or a portal to put to bring that stuff through?

Speaker 5 (02:49:14):
I don't know, because by themselves they're not in that. See.
That's the thing, Dave, is that we don't have the
understanding of how that would be done.

Speaker 7 (02:49:29):
That doesn't make sense to us. And because that, you're
going to have people that don't believe it.

Speaker 5 (02:49:35):
You mean, how does how would that even? How does
that even make sense? And we've heard stories about well,
I got in the craft, it was this size.

Speaker 7 (02:49:43):
But inside it it looked like a stadium or something
massive inside.

Speaker 5 (02:49:48):
We don't understand that.

Speaker 7 (02:49:49):
I don't have other than you know, a parallel reality
within that type of a craft.

Speaker 5 (02:49:58):
I don't. I don't, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:02):
Yeah, it's very very hard to understand for any of us,
it really is. So, I mean, how we do it?
I don't know. I really don't know how we do it?
You know, But these incidents are happening, That's the weird part.

(02:50:25):
They don't seem to happen as much today as they
did back then, but they did happen, And I'm wondering
why that changed. I'm wondering what happened where all of
a sudden they weren't hitting up, you know, aircraft anymore.
We don't hear about F fifteen's or F sixteens or

(02:50:47):
F eighteens being surrounded by weird boogeyman type lights that
are going to shift their flight trajectory. You know what
I'm saying, We just don't hear that.

Speaker 7 (02:51:01):
We hear about it, but I just don't think they're
taking as many planes nowadays.

Speaker 1 (02:51:08):
Well that's true too. I mean we hear about the incursions,
some of them. Yeah, but we don't hear about a
jet disappearing. That's I guess that's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 7 (02:51:19):
I think there was a video of three objects around
it look like a a passenger jet that did disappear,
but that happened what like twelve years ago or something
like that. But yeah, I don't I don't hear about

(02:51:40):
it much anymore, and I really wonder. You know, the
physics behind that sort of thing are baffling, and I'd
love somebody to explain it to.

Speaker 1 (02:51:50):
Me, right, I'd love it to be explained too, I
really would, because the phenomena is so weird when it
us all of this stuff. It really is. So I
just look at it like, I don't know if I'd
want to do it. I really don't, but it is

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